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Speaker 1: In a week where a lot of people, as I've

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Speaker 1: just outlined, and decided to walk or some got push.

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Speaker 1: And we've yet to find out whether the chair of

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Speaker 1: Wellington Water adds to that particular pile. We saw on

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Speaker 1: that mix. The resignation, of course yesterday of Greg Foran,

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Speaker 1: the in New Zealand CEO here I Feb twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: landed just about the same time as COVID did Forsyth

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Speaker 1: head of researcher, and the bully is well, it's Andy,

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Speaker 1: very very good morning to you. Morning Mike pure metrics.

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Speaker 1: How does he rate?

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Speaker 2: It's Look, it's really difficult to judge an airline CEO

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Speaker 2: on any kind of metric on the basis that there's

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Speaker 2: a huge amount of external influences that impact them, and

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Speaker 2: you've seen that through Creig's tenure that he's he's had

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Speaker 2: kind of four major impacts of various factors, be it

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Speaker 2: COVID as you just mentioned, being an enzed recession, the

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Speaker 2: engine maintenance issues that continue to dictate the airline performance,

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Speaker 2: and the biggest kind of period of infloy that we've

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Speaker 2: had in the generation. So you kind of had all

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Speaker 2: those up together. It's been a pretty challenging period for him.

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Speaker 1: Did the lack of aviation experience hurt him, do you

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Speaker 1: think as we look back.

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Speaker 2: Probably, I think that's a fair assessment. You know, particularly

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Speaker 2: when he stepped into the airline on day one when

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Speaker 2: they were counseling flights to Shanghai and trying to pick

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Speaker 2: up the reins of the business that he was getting

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Speaker 2: accustomed to in an industry that he hadn't worked in before.

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Speaker 2: Probably did have an impact, but he picked it up

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Speaker 2: pretty quickly.

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Speaker 1: My assessment, I like him just for the record, for

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Speaker 1: what it matters. I found him an engaging kind of

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Speaker 1: guy who was interested in, you know, talking about the

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Speaker 1: airline and selling an airline. So I mean it's not

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Speaker 1: a personal thing. But this thing that was announced yesterday

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Speaker 1: where the airlines in good shape and set to go,

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Speaker 1: I don't buy because from the punter's point of view,

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Speaker 1: it's not true.

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Speaker 2: Is it. I think that's a fair assessment. I've got

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Speaker 2: some sympathy with the line being used by the airline,

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Speaker 2: though in the context that you know, this is external

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Speaker 2: fact is impacting them quite substantially given the engine maintenance

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Speaker 2: issues they're facing at the moment.

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Speaker 1: That is no one's fault, is it? I mean the

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Speaker 1: fact they can't get an engine and the engines don't work.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what do you do?

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Speaker 2: It Probably is somebody's fault in the context of the

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Speaker 2: engine manufacturers. But yes, it's not the fold of the

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Speaker 2: airline necessarily, And there's a not a lot they can do,

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Speaker 2: given the supply chain issues they've had, given the delays

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Speaker 2: in the maintenance schedules that the manufacturers have now provided them,

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Speaker 2: which keeps them pretty handstraw in terms of their ability

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Speaker 2: to fly the capacity that.

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Speaker 1: They want to this image problem they've got one. From

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Speaker 1: your point of view, is it real? I get in

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Speaker 1: under there's just just an edge about New Zealanders that

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Speaker 1: they are just so willing to hate Air New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: I think you were going to suggest that you get

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Speaker 2: a fair bit of feedback. I get a fair better

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Speaker 2: feedback as well. I think there's some work to do,

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Speaker 2: you know, particularly in this post covid era, to rebuild

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Speaker 2: the image to the extent that it has enjoyed historically.

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Speaker 1: Who do they need? Do they do it internally? Do

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Speaker 1: they do it externally? Is it global? Does anyone want

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Speaker 1: the job? Can they turn it round?

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Speaker 2: So? I reckon it's one of the most primo jobs

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Speaker 2: in New Zealand corporate life. They've had a good history

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Speaker 2: of attracting very talented individuals internationally, typically Kiwis that have

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Speaker 2: learned their trades offshore, and I suspect there'll be a

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Speaker 2: reasonably good list of potential candidates for that job.

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Speaker 1: Good stuff, Andy, you have a very good week and

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Speaker 1: appreciate time, Andy Bowley, Who's forsyight bar ahead of research.

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