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Speaker 1: Ministerial Advisory Group will be set up to engage with

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Speaker 1: victims of retail crime. The group will advise the government

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Speaker 1: on how to reduce offending. This effects ninety two percent

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Speaker 1: of all retailers. Can you believe it two point six

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Speaker 1: billion dollars a year? It costs us. Carolyn Young from

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Speaker 1: retail in z is with me now, Carolyn, good to

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Speaker 1: have you on the program this morning. Have you, first

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Speaker 1: of all, got any out of the box ideas that

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Speaker 1: we should be trying that this this group should be looking.

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Speaker 2: At moderna Ryan Well, I don't know, I it's out

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Speaker 2: of the box, but effectively looking at you know, some

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Speaker 2: of the work that we're already doing in terms of

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Speaker 2: the space, and the most obvious thing is obviously wanting

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Speaker 2: to have increasing police numbers because you know, the having

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Speaker 2: a police presence on the streets by always deters offending.

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Speaker 2: So you know, that's a no brain or something to do.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes the simple things are the most effective, and that's

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Speaker 2: a really effective toll. And then as we move forward

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Speaker 2: the use of technology, and there's lots of different ways

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Speaker 2: in which you can use technology to help combat offenders,

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Speaker 2: keeping stores safe for staff and customers, so it can

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Speaker 2: be anything from body cameras to facial recognition to license

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Speaker 2: plate recognition. There's a whole raft of other things as well,

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Speaker 2: and the use of technology and training for staff is

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Speaker 2: also really important.

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Speaker 1: What about the more aggressive ones, Carolyn, And I know

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Speaker 1: that some it's more dairy owners, some dairy owners who

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Speaker 1: want to go down this track, but allowing them to

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Speaker 1: have you know, tasers or arm themselves and then be

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Speaker 1: immune from prosecution should anything go wrong.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I think that or certainly the police Minister

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Speaker 2: is already looking at the role of security guards and

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Speaker 2: I know yesterday there was a talk of extending that

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Speaker 2: to retail workers on the sense a little bit around

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Speaker 2: what might that look like and does that then encourage

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Speaker 2: people that are going to offend to escalate the situation

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Speaker 2: in advance so they're prepared for something like that and

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Speaker 2: they bring other tools that could end in more more

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Speaker 2: violence in stall. See here to be really careful because

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Speaker 2: we haven't really as a country or a nation, gone

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Speaker 2: through a situation where we fight fire with fire, because

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Speaker 2: it's not doesn't always work out that well.

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Speaker 1: The fire is all coming one way at the moment, isn't.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's the same it is.

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Speaker 2: All coming one way here, and I think that, you know,

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Speaker 2: there might be some tools that might be appropriate, but

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Speaker 2: things like guns and swords and things like that, I

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Speaker 2: don't really think is a country want to head down

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Speaker 2: that pathway. But you know, I guess the Advisory Group

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Speaker 2: will look into that and we'll be doing our own

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Speaker 2: research around that space to see what our members are

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Speaker 2: telling us that they feel that they need.

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Speaker 1: The opposition says that this is a talk fest. Do

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Speaker 1: you know is there a rest? This is just going

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Speaker 1: to go round in circles and actually we'll be here

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Speaker 1: again in two years.

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Speaker 2: And there is a risk of that. But we are

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Speaker 2: leading a bunch of that's looking at legislative change and

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Speaker 2: how that can be a toll and a mechanism to

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Speaker 2: help retailers. We're also obviously advocating on the use of

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Speaker 2: technology to protect staff and stores. And if you can

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Speaker 2: protect staff and stores, it reduces the needs for people

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Speaker 2: to be having things like tases and be defending themselves.

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Speaker 2: I certainly think that if you are having to defend

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Speaker 2: yourself against criminals, that you don't want to be charged

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Speaker 2: with that. But it's really thinking about do we want

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Speaker 2: to encourage that is that the right pathway forward. So

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Speaker 2: there's certainly lots of we're working with the Police Minister,

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Speaker 2: the Justice Minister, the work postulations, We're working with the

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Speaker 2: Police Commissioner as well, and we've got a number of

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Speaker 2: working groups who are actually doing this and stuff, so

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Speaker 2: we can creede into this other group as well well.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully between all of these groups, something will happen, something

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Speaker 1: will change. Carolyn, thank you very much for your time

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Speaker 1: this morning, Carolyn Young from Retail end Z. For more

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