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Speaker 1: Big story today, of course, is this Taxpayer Union Caurier

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Speaker 1: poll question. Is this far from an election? Should anyone

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Speaker 1: really care? The numbers are the Nats half a point

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Speaker 1: behind Labor. Luxon has dropped below Chris Hopkins in terms

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Speaker 1: of favorability Act, the Greens New Zealand first, all down,

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Speaker 1: while the Multi Party is up two points to six

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Speaker 1: and a half percent. Taxpayers Union executive director Jordan Williams

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Speaker 1: is with me tonight, Jordan, get.

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Speaker 2: A good r.

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Speaker 1: Is this a trend? Is this something you start to

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Speaker 1: freak out about?

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't freak out about it. I don't have

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Speaker 2: a pony in this in this race, I run a

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Speaker 2: humble tax payer. I don't mean you.

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Speaker 1: I mean I mean if you're on the ninth floor,

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Speaker 1: do you start hitting panic stations?

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Speaker 2: Ah? Well, it certainly things have got to start getting

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Speaker 2: urgent because it is not, as you say, it's the trend.

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Speaker 2: You know it does a pole matter this far?

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Speaker 1: Out?

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Speaker 2: Of course it doesn't, but it does give you information.

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Speaker 2: And the information is is that the current trend, the

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Speaker 2: current direction the government is on, isn't finding favorite with voters.

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Speaker 2: And I would argue that is because you know, the

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Speaker 2: key sweetener that the NATS offer is credible economic management,

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Speaker 2: and whilst they've certainly conservatively managed the economy, I would

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Speaker 2: argue they haven't done enough heavy lifting last year to

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Speaker 2: actually see the effects of a or we'll see a

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Speaker 2: better economy and you know, the New Zealanders to feel that.

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Speaker 2: I think that this poll should send alarm bells because

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Speaker 2: we are now only eighteen months away from Christopher lux

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Speaker 2: and having going having to go to the public to

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Speaker 2: ask that, you know, reagan fundamental question, do you feel

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Speaker 2: better off than three years ago? Isn't there right now.

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Speaker 1: That answers know? Yeah? But isn't that the problem for

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Speaker 1: Hopkins as well? People will go, well, how did I

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Speaker 1: feel last time I saw that guy? You know, which

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Speaker 1: is probably not great.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm in Towering at the moment. I've spent a

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Speaker 2: day with some donors, and I'm at the Popoma Ratepayers

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Speaker 2: group tonight and everyone that said to me, and what

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Speaker 2: I'm expecting tonight is how on earth can people forget

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Speaker 2: how bad it was or how the last government mismanaged

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Speaker 2: the economy. What you have to remind people is going

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Speaker 2: the information the average voter is running on is not

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Speaker 2: an intellectual framework like that it's how hard is it

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Speaker 2: for me and my family right now? And the problem

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Speaker 2: we've got is that right now New Zealanders are doing

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Speaker 2: it tough and the government, I would argue, have not

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Speaker 2: delivered the macroeconomic reform we need to get the economy

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Speaker 2: back on track.

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Speaker 1: Jordan, Thank you for that, Jordan Williams, Executive director of

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Speaker 1: the Taxpayers Union.

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