WEBVTT - On The Front Foot: Episode 255 0:00:09.093 --> 0:00:11.973 You're listening to a podcast from News Talk sat B. 0:00:12.373 --> 0:00:15.173 Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on 0:00:15.333 --> 0:00:21.093 iHeart Radio. 0:00:20.573 --> 0:00:21.733 Y take another. 0:00:23.373 --> 0:00:25.213 It's a trick, it is out. 0:00:25.533 --> 0:00:31.093 The test is over. Con't smoke a beauty, It is 0:00:31.133 --> 0:00:34.293 out and here you goes. This delivery has in un 0:00:34.573 --> 0:00:35.053 used to go. 0:00:37.693 --> 0:00:41.093 On the front foot with Brian Waddell and Jeremy Cody 0:00:41.413 --> 0:00:45.293 powered by News Talk, said B at iHeart Radio. 0:00:47.453 --> 0:00:50.253 Hello, We're on the front foot. Well, the New Zealand 0:00:50.333 --> 0:00:53.293 cricket team, the black Caps probably weren't on the front foot. 0:00:53.573 --> 0:00:56.813 A limp batting display against Banglavik settled the ode I 0:00:56.973 --> 0:01:00.493 series in the heats of Cheta Graham used to be 0:01:00.573 --> 0:01:03.093 known as Chittagong, which was a hell of a lot easy 0:01:03.133 --> 0:01:08.213 to say. Was anything meaningful achieved from that one day series. 0:01:08.693 --> 0:01:12.053 Heap and Boyle continue to impress in Sri Lanka with 0:01:12.133 --> 0:01:15.213 the a's will any new faces make the fifteen man 0:01:15.253 --> 0:01:19.573 squad for England and the leaky rumor SI says that 0:01:19.773 --> 0:01:24.133 former paceballer Jeff Allett is likely to get the CEO's 0:01:24.253 --> 0:01:27.173 job at New Zealand Cricket. If it's true, is it 0:01:27.213 --> 0:01:32.053 a good option? I don't know. The interesting the names 0:01:32.173 --> 0:01:35.173 I've heard, Peter Holland and Jeremy Coney will us again 0:01:35.253 --> 0:01:40.293 on the front foot lead Jamon, Jeff Allett and Rayleian Castle. 0:01:40.333 --> 0:01:43.373 Well now Rallian Castle's back with New Zealand Sports signed 0:01:43.453 --> 0:01:46.173 or twenty twenty nine. Jerry, So, I guess it's between 0:01:46.253 --> 0:01:47.613 Allott and Jamon. 0:01:48.253 --> 0:01:50.733 I think Jamon's pulled out too, hasn't he wadds. I 0:01:50.773 --> 0:01:56.493 thought I saw something somewhere to say that at least 0:01:56.493 --> 0:01:59.893 they're both cricketers former cricketers. 0:01:59.893 --> 0:02:00.733 That's a bonus. 0:02:00.933 --> 0:02:05.413 I think you need to know the game intimately. And 0:02:06.853 --> 0:02:11.493 I think also uh and the fans. I think you 0:02:11.613 --> 0:02:14.413 need to to be That's one of the main roles, 0:02:14.453 --> 0:02:17.853 isn't it. Most she'll know that so that they they've 0:02:17.893 --> 0:02:20.253 got to be aware the board. 0:02:20.733 --> 0:02:23.573 He spoke to me last night or when he. 0:02:23.573 --> 0:02:29.133 Had just seen seeds at the favorite watering hole and it. 0:02:29.013 --> 0:02:31.293 Was the Cambridge Terrorist Community Center. 0:02:31.453 --> 0:02:38.493 Jerry, Yes, okay, yeah, and uh and and and you 0:02:39.133 --> 0:02:42.213 really I think we we did mention at some point 0:02:42.773 --> 0:02:49.173 about Allott and Jimon and also the role of New 0:02:49.253 --> 0:02:51.813 Zealand cricket and the board. 0:02:52.413 --> 0:02:55.333 And and and and part of this was was triggered 0:02:55.333 --> 0:02:58.653 by some of the correspondents that Brian had has has 0:02:58.733 --> 0:03:04.333 received from from listeners to to our to our meanderings 0:03:04.373 --> 0:03:07.013 on on the on the wireless, so to speak. That 0:03:07.133 --> 0:03:10.013 I and and and what got me is particularly with 0:03:10.053 --> 0:03:14.133 our previous conversation that we'd had with respect to decisions 0:03:14.733 --> 0:03:19.173 concerning the T twenty and it came to me thinking about, well, actually, 0:03:19.173 --> 0:03:22.733 what do the board members owe duties do they owe 0:03:23.213 --> 0:03:27.333 to the cricket community. And the cricket community is fans, 0:03:27.373 --> 0:03:31.893 the people. It's not sectional interests such as players only. 0:03:32.333 --> 0:03:36.533 It's the broader community, if you will. And I just 0:03:36.653 --> 0:03:42.013 wonder whether, in fact, I would like for them to 0:03:42.253 --> 0:03:45.853 explain to us how they believe that they are meeting 0:03:45.973 --> 0:03:50.253 the obligations in terms of the duties they owe to 0:03:50.253 --> 0:03:53.493 the community for the greater good of the sport here 0:03:53.973 --> 0:03:56.293 and not just to line some pockets of some people, 0:03:56.693 --> 0:03:59.693 which then brings you back squarely to the role of 0:03:59.733 --> 0:04:04.773 the CEO in order to implement the requirements of the board. 0:04:05.253 --> 0:04:07.813 And clearly there was a clash which caused the previous 0:04:07.893 --> 0:04:13.053 CEO to leave. I think we still have and I 0:04:13.093 --> 0:04:16.893 would posit the view that anyone who takes on that 0:04:17.013 --> 0:04:19.813 role as a CEO is in for a very tough 0:04:20.093 --> 0:04:26.453 and challenging year or two because cash is short. There 0:04:26.493 --> 0:04:28.773 may be cash flying for the T twenty, but that's 0:04:28.773 --> 0:04:32.333 not for the New Zealand Cricket necessarily, so the demands 0:04:32.333 --> 0:04:36.373 will continue. So I wish that person well. And Jeff 0:04:36.693 --> 0:04:38.293 seems to be a pretty sensible person. 0:04:38.933 --> 0:04:42.133 Yeah indeed, and he was on the board for a 0:04:42.173 --> 0:04:45.293 considerable period of time. I only concern, of course, is 0:04:45.333 --> 0:04:51.293 that that board has become rather negative to some extent, 0:04:51.413 --> 0:04:57.493 or has received negative press from many quarters. And their 0:04:57.533 --> 0:05:01.733 ability to spend money and raise money is important, I suppose. 0:05:01.773 --> 0:05:05.013 But their whole job is the administration of the game, 0:05:05.053 --> 0:05:08.613 as you say, most not just T twenty competitions and 0:05:08.733 --> 0:05:12.773 international players. It's the guy that plays down at Cornwall 0:05:12.853 --> 0:05:15.693 Park or Nenville Park or Hagley Park and christ Church 0:05:16.133 --> 0:05:19.533 or even in the outlying reaches of New Zealand. Their 0:05:19.573 --> 0:05:22.693 responsibility is the administration of the game. 0:05:22.693 --> 0:05:29.173 YEP, community cricket, and that's where the future players come from. 0:05:30.493 --> 0:05:34.853 They have an obligation to try and arrange various things 0:05:35.053 --> 0:05:39.013 so that anybody who wants to enjoy the game in 0:05:39.093 --> 0:05:42.813 New Zealand has the opportunity to do so, and so 0:05:43.653 --> 0:05:46.693 in an organized way. It's not playing on the beach necessarily, 0:05:47.213 --> 0:05:53.053 but to have structured kind of competitions throughout a potential 0:05:53.133 --> 0:05:56.973 players playing Korea. So that's that's their job, and to 0:05:57.053 --> 0:06:00.253 keep people interested in the game generally and to be 0:06:00.293 --> 0:06:02.933 able to put it in front of them. So I 0:06:03.013 --> 0:06:05.893 don't I don't have any problem with what either of 0:06:05.893 --> 0:06:08.413 you two are saying there about that. 0:06:08.093 --> 0:06:10.773 There's a slight concern in the back of my mind. 0:06:10.893 --> 0:06:15.173 Has Jeff All has ever been involved in some business 0:06:15.573 --> 0:06:19.693 kind of operations with say, people like Fleming or you know, 0:06:19.933 --> 0:06:23.893 people who have worked with India particularly. I'm just a 0:06:23.933 --> 0:06:28.533 wee bit concerned that there might be an ongoing relationship 0:06:28.613 --> 0:06:32.173 between those two when he's going to have to if 0:06:32.213 --> 0:06:36.053 he's going to be the CEO, has to make decisions 0:06:36.213 --> 0:06:40.173 outside of that and consider exactly what Moose has just 0:06:40.253 --> 0:06:43.733 been talking about and still have a past and a 0:06:43.893 --> 0:06:46.973 history with some of the players who are pushing that 0:06:47.093 --> 0:06:51.653 particular option. That's my just a little question mark in 0:06:51.693 --> 0:06:53.853 the back of my mind because I've heard those names 0:06:53.893 --> 0:06:56.013 together a number of times. 0:06:56.133 --> 0:06:57.813 In business terms. 0:06:58.253 --> 0:07:05.813 I believe that that is correct theory and in the 0:07:06.053 --> 0:07:10.253 in the off use and phrase conflict. I don't know 0:07:12.093 --> 0:07:15.173 that that would require And this is not this is 0:07:15.213 --> 0:07:23.053 not casting any dispersions about ours, but you'll have to 0:07:23.093 --> 0:07:26.813 tread a very careful line in order to ensure that 0:07:28.133 --> 0:07:32.293 previous relationships and and there's nothing against that either, of 0:07:32.333 --> 0:07:37.533 course not but but or that person must be focused 0:07:37.533 --> 0:07:41.613 about what it is that the obligations and the duty 0:07:41.733 --> 0:07:44.373 day o to the cricket community in its broadest sense, 0:07:44.933 --> 0:07:49.813 and not a select few, as it were, And that 0:07:49.853 --> 0:07:51.973 will be tricky for for any person who tax on 0:07:52.013 --> 0:07:52.813 that role, really. 0:07:52.733 --> 0:07:56.813 Would We'll have to wait and see what the announcement 0:07:56.893 --> 0:07:59.133 is in terms of at It's only a rumor, as 0:07:59.173 --> 0:08:02.533 they say, but those rumors are fairly strong around the country. 0:08:03.173 --> 0:08:06.493 So we'll wait and see what happens when an announcement 0:08:06.533 --> 0:08:11.613 has made and what plans are put forward. I know 0:08:11.653 --> 0:08:13.613 when the last Chief executive came in he had great 0:08:13.613 --> 0:08:16.613 plans for test cricket, but we haven't seen them, so 0:08:17.293 --> 0:08:21.053 we'll just have to wait and see. Talking about plans 0:08:21.093 --> 0:08:24.333 for test cricket, we'll be talking about our squad to 0:08:24.373 --> 0:08:26.213 go to England shortly. But I just want to reflect 0:08:26.253 --> 0:08:31.453 on the trip to Bangladesh by the New Zealand side 0:08:31.493 --> 0:08:33.813 black Caps. They were beaten. I've got to say I 0:08:33.893 --> 0:08:36.093 tossed the toys again when they were three down chasing 0:08:36.093 --> 0:08:39.013 two hundred and sixty five and decided sleep was better 0:08:39.053 --> 0:08:44.773 than watching cricket. I missed Foxcroft hitting something like seven 0:08:44.893 --> 0:08:47.893 six is and doing a number down the order, but 0:08:47.933 --> 0:08:51.133 it came a little bit too late. I just I'm 0:08:51.173 --> 0:08:54.093 still sort of wondering at the rationale of going to 0:08:54.573 --> 0:08:59.853 forty two degrees and playing ODI cricket at this time 0:08:59.853 --> 0:09:03.493 of the year. And to me, while any experience should 0:09:03.493 --> 0:09:06.853 be a good experience, seems to me a pointless exercise. 0:09:07.173 --> 0:09:09.253 And they've lost the series two one. 0:09:09.533 --> 0:09:12.733 And lost I think is yes, I would say they 0:09:12.773 --> 0:09:15.933 got soundly beaten in the last matches. 0:09:17.573 --> 0:09:19.573 I was trying to be nice, yes. 0:09:19.533 --> 0:09:23.013 Yes, yeh and yeah, and diplomatic, which is not something 0:09:23.053 --> 0:09:34.573 I'd always. 0:09:30.333 --> 0:09:35.693 Around the bush. 0:09:36.893 --> 0:09:41.013 I can't help but think that the opportunities to provide 0:09:41.213 --> 0:09:45.213 or give give opportunities to a broader number of players 0:09:45.253 --> 0:09:50.253 like Fotscroft, like Clark's and a bass in those conditions, 0:09:50.293 --> 0:09:52.533 because we have to face the fact that we're going 0:09:52.613 --> 0:09:54.733 to play a lot of cricket in the subcontinent. If 0:09:54.733 --> 0:09:57.213 we have to be relevant in any way, shape or form, 0:09:57.533 --> 0:10:01.173 that's probably a reality of it. And so exposure to 0:10:01.213 --> 0:10:04.413 these conditions against what I will say, it was a 0:10:04.413 --> 0:10:06.853 pretty good sign. And can I just make it make 0:10:06.893 --> 0:10:10.853 it another another comment. The quick bowling, I've got to say, 0:10:11.173 --> 0:10:15.453 took me by surprise this and yeah, uinely, genuinely good bowlers, 0:10:15.453 --> 0:10:19.173 and so I'm giving them, giving them a hat off 0:10:19.173 --> 0:10:21.893 to them. I thought that the way they played, I 0:10:21.893 --> 0:10:24.333 thought they played damn good cricket. Okay in their backyard, 0:10:24.893 --> 0:10:28.933 but well well done, blanded dish we went. We weren't 0:10:28.933 --> 0:10:31.893 close enough with the New Zealand a team so to speak. 0:10:32.453 --> 0:10:35.053 That go right. I was bowling at one forty five, 0:10:35.413 --> 0:10:39.933 concrestently by the old slower ball. But boy, he's tall 0:10:40.493 --> 0:10:43.773 and he gets good bounce and generates pace. He's going 0:10:43.813 --> 0:10:44.933 to be an interesting one to watch. 0:10:45.213 --> 0:10:47.533 And that was in those conditions. I mean, get him 0:10:47.533 --> 0:10:49.853 on something a little bit bouncy in green over over 0:10:49.893 --> 0:10:53.173 this side, well that'll be that'll be interesting, wasn't it. 0:10:53.973 --> 0:10:57.293 Yeah, they've certainly found someone, haven't they. They they cleaned 0:10:57.333 --> 0:11:00.813 up Pakistan just before they met the New Zealanders. 0:11:00.853 --> 0:11:01.413 He is. 0:11:01.453 --> 0:11:04.093 You're right, he's the sort of the key. 0:11:03.893 --> 0:11:08.693 To it, claiming wickets one forty five to one fifty. 0:11:08.733 --> 0:11:13.413 He was, wasn't he quite and quite consistently and also 0:11:13.653 --> 0:11:17.053 pretty accurate. It wasn't as it was firing it down 0:11:17.173 --> 0:11:19.333 leg side and then one outside that she could have 0:11:19.333 --> 0:11:22.053 a crack out, you know, you know, over to third 0:11:22.133 --> 0:11:22.853 man and so on. 0:11:22.933 --> 0:11:23.693 Nothing like that. 0:11:24.893 --> 0:11:28.213 He held his pace, He had a good wrist, you 0:11:28.253 --> 0:11:30.613 know that he was flicking it down as well as 0:11:30.693 --> 0:11:34.493 tall and lean as you say, wads I thought he was. 0:11:34.693 --> 0:11:37.933 He was a really good look actually, and went well 0:11:38.013 --> 0:11:41.053 with Shoreful, who was very tight at the other end. 0:11:41.093 --> 0:11:44.413 The left armor, who we've seen before but is really 0:11:45.133 --> 0:11:47.933 again tidied up and become much more consistent. 0:11:48.373 --> 0:11:50.013 Mustafis was there last night. 0:11:50.013 --> 0:11:53.293 Well we know he's got the variations, particularly at the 0:11:53.333 --> 0:11:57.413 back end. He surprised Nichols, didn't he with a short 0:11:57.453 --> 0:12:01.093 one last night and hurried him. I mean, the runs 0:12:01.133 --> 0:12:04.093 were the problems for New Zealand, effectively. 0:12:03.453 --> 0:12:03.933 Weren't there. 0:12:03.933 --> 0:12:07.013 There was just no one getting collid runs at the 0:12:07.013 --> 0:12:07.853 top of the order. 0:12:07.933 --> 0:12:10.213 Young and Latham at. 0:12:10.053 --> 0:12:15.373 Three and four Young thirty two nineteen Latham fourteen, fourteen 0:12:15.413 --> 0:12:18.893 and five. You've got to have more from that, from 0:12:18.893 --> 0:12:21.773 those two positions, and that put a great deal of 0:12:21.813 --> 0:12:25.053 pressure on players like Kelly, who came out of it 0:12:25.093 --> 0:12:26.973 again quite well, even though it was a strange and 0:12:26.973 --> 0:12:30.013 odd dismissal last night, sort of lurching his way from 0:12:30.053 --> 0:12:33.813 outside leg to off went outside of stump, hitting it 0:12:33.893 --> 0:12:35.293 to sort of a straight cover. 0:12:35.973 --> 0:12:36.253 Yeah. 0:12:36.413 --> 0:12:39.573 So I think we had a few little gains, though 0:12:39.733 --> 0:12:42.213 I don't think it was totally wasted. 0:12:43.053 --> 0:12:44.293 Yes, the heat got to. 0:12:44.293 --> 0:12:47.653 Us, no doubt about that, especially when you field first there. 0:12:48.133 --> 0:12:52.573 But I thought O'Rourke improved. He's a key man for us. 0:12:53.053 --> 0:12:57.693 He got some competitive bowling in the legs, bowling around 0:12:57.733 --> 0:13:00.013 the wicket a little bit more than he normally does. 0:13:00.053 --> 0:13:03.013 He's learning to get off the wicket, which is not 0:13:03.133 --> 0:13:06.173 his natural thing, because he wants to lean away, doesn't he, 0:13:06.213 --> 0:13:08.253 which is leaning if you're round the wicket to all 0:13:08.493 --> 0:13:11.613 the center of the pitch. I thought Smith made a 0:13:11.653 --> 0:13:13.973 few little movements as well. He's starting to. 0:13:13.933 --> 0:13:14.653 Swing the ball. 0:13:15.573 --> 0:13:18.373 I thought that his couple of not outs were handy 0:13:18.453 --> 0:13:21.533 lower down the order in the first two matches, and 0:13:21.573 --> 0:13:25.253 he's getting wickets in the powerplay I thought Lenox continued 0:13:25.293 --> 0:13:28.573 his improvement in the heat. I thought it was a 0:13:28.613 --> 0:13:31.493 weird team that they selected last night. To be honest 0:13:31.533 --> 0:13:34.973 with you, it didn't make sense when you got obviously 0:13:34.973 --> 0:13:38.493 two opening bowlers, and that's Smith and O'Rourke. That lister, 0:13:38.653 --> 0:13:41.813 who really is only a swing bowler, comes in straight 0:13:41.853 --> 0:13:45.813 after that and the ball's not swinging, So what does 0:13:45.853 --> 0:13:48.933 he do? For heaven's sake, that's his strength, that's how 0:13:48.933 --> 0:13:51.893 he gets wickets. He was forced to bowl wide for 0:13:51.973 --> 0:13:55.573 a start and then sort of across seam for the 0:13:55.613 --> 0:13:59.333 rest of his overs, and that did show some limitations 0:13:59.373 --> 0:14:03.253 that he had in that role. Then Muhammader Bass bowled 0:14:03.253 --> 0:14:06.773 a few. He did okay. He was sort of gripping 0:14:06.813 --> 0:14:09.333 the ball a little bit and bowling little left arm 0:14:09.373 --> 0:14:12.573 off spinners coming back into the left handers. But he 0:14:12.653 --> 0:14:18.093 wasn't threatening and so really they only had three bowlers O'Rourke, 0:14:18.333 --> 0:14:22.493 Smith and Lennox. They tried a bit of Foxcroft, they 0:14:22.533 --> 0:14:24.653 tried a bit of fox Trot, they tried a bit 0:14:24.693 --> 0:14:28.853 of Clarkson, they tried a bit of a bass and listen. 0:14:28.973 --> 0:14:33.293 So they didn't really have the bowlers to continue the 0:14:33.373 --> 0:14:37.053 decent start. They had and so they you know, they 0:14:37.173 --> 0:14:40.333 chased a big total and they seemed to all be 0:14:40.413 --> 0:14:44.813 getting out to me to the horizontal batshots they did 0:14:44.853 --> 0:14:49.933 in game two Bastard, Kelly did, Foxcroft did, and technical 0:14:50.053 --> 0:14:51.213 not quite so important. 0:14:51.453 --> 0:14:54.013 And in game three you know you had. 0:14:55.453 --> 0:15:00.613 Nichols did, Latham did a sweepless time lower down horizontal 0:15:01.013 --> 0:15:05.533 and are bastard as well. So that's that's been a 0:15:05.533 --> 0:15:08.973 common thread for me about that part. Make you a lot, 0:15:09.213 --> 0:15:12.173 But I think there were things there you maybe have 0:15:12.213 --> 0:15:16.453 to look a little bit harder, but the runs clearly 0:15:16.493 --> 0:15:17.253 with the difference. 0:15:18.293 --> 0:15:21.413 But then picking up on that, from what I understand 0:15:21.533 --> 0:15:23.653 is if the if the opposition's bowling is quite good, 0:15:23.653 --> 0:15:25.573 then runs are quite often hard to come by. I 0:15:25.573 --> 0:15:28.573 think that's how it works. So we have to pace, 0:15:28.773 --> 0:15:33.293 you know, due respect to Bangladesh, but we were found 0:15:33.333 --> 0:15:36.733 a little bit wanting. I think the one that the 0:15:36.773 --> 0:15:39.693 one player that I'm disappointed about it, and I guess 0:15:39.693 --> 0:15:43.133 he will be as well as is Will Young. He 0:15:43.373 --> 0:15:47.773 was our best player arguably in that Test series against 0:15:47.773 --> 0:15:50.773 India a little while back, and really since then it 0:15:50.853 --> 0:15:53.653 hasn't hasn't come on, so to speak. And you touched 0:15:53.653 --> 0:15:56.653 on a little bit earlier that his output wasn't great Jerry, 0:15:57.013 --> 0:16:00.533 and I just I'm disappointed for New Zealand Cricket because 0:16:00.533 --> 0:16:04.053 he looked so fantastic in that series, but we really 0:16:04.093 --> 0:16:07.173 haven't seen too much of that sense, which is a 0:16:07.173 --> 0:16:10.493 petty for us as as New Zealand Cricket followers. But 0:16:10.573 --> 0:16:14.213 no doubt he's he's not that thrill either. But I 0:16:14.253 --> 0:16:16.813 think by and large there were some pluses in there 0:16:17.213 --> 0:16:21.533 to see Fox Foxcroft and Clarkson and a bass and 0:16:21.653 --> 0:16:26.133 Nick Kelly and Smith Smith coming on. There was I 0:16:26.133 --> 0:16:30.173 think better for having gone and and done it. And 0:16:30.253 --> 0:16:32.413 okay they got beaten, but but you learn from it, 0:16:32.453 --> 0:16:34.133 I think if you if you're good enough. 0:16:34.653 --> 0:16:37.573 Yeah. Indeed, interesting that you mentioned those names, and I 0:16:37.933 --> 0:16:43.693 guess the one that is significant is young and will 0:16:43.733 --> 0:16:46.093 he be part of the squad going to England? 0:16:46.093 --> 0:16:46.213 Now? 0:16:46.253 --> 0:16:48.213 We asked last week for people to come forward with 0:16:48.733 --> 0:16:52.253 their ideas of a squad of fifteen and I'll just 0:16:52.253 --> 0:16:55.573 pick one out. A guy who thinks that Jeremy is 0:16:55.613 --> 0:17:02.173 a very very good broadcaster and congratulates I'm getting into it. 0:17:02.333 --> 0:17:04.413 To pick up the fact that I actually wrote that 0:17:04.493 --> 0:17:05.093 once for him. 0:17:07.413 --> 0:17:10.213 I'm just going to say, Jerry's changed his name to 0:17:10.293 --> 0:17:13.933 Paul and has said in a team, and he hasn't 0:17:13.933 --> 0:17:18.093 picked a bad side. I think thirteen of them make 0:17:18.413 --> 0:17:21.853 good sense to me, and I go quickly through it. Latham, Conway, 0:17:21.973 --> 0:17:30.013 Ravendra Williamson, Mitchell Phillips, Blundell Smith, Henry Duffy, O'Rourke, Santna 0:17:30.173 --> 0:17:35.413 and Jamison. And the last two Henry Nichols and Ajz 0:17:35.493 --> 0:17:40.013 Patel now interesting calls. Paul says. Nichols domestic form edges 0:17:40.053 --> 0:17:44.973 out will Young for him, and he likes Ajs. Pattell. 0:17:45.253 --> 0:17:47.013 I mean I do too, but I just wonder whether, 0:17:47.613 --> 0:17:50.533 on top of the spin talent you've got there, whether 0:17:50.613 --> 0:17:53.253 a Jaz is going to be part of that squad 0:17:53.293 --> 0:17:56.453 and you might need another seamer like Tickner or Sears 0:17:56.573 --> 0:17:59.733 or or the like, or even Fuchs the all rounder. 0:18:00.053 --> 0:18:01.173 How do you say that, Moose? 0:18:01.853 --> 0:18:03.933 I mean I always lovel this as that, because there's 0:18:03.973 --> 0:18:07.133 no right or wrong, and we will probably should be 0:18:07.173 --> 0:18:10.333 the selectors, but no one's ever asters. More's the pity, 0:18:10.453 --> 0:18:15.973 I think. But I I look at this and Young 0:18:16.093 --> 0:18:17.813 I would like to see, but I don't think he 0:18:17.893 --> 0:18:21.533 makes it. Patel, I think you're right because we've already 0:18:21.573 --> 0:18:24.413 got satin in their bowling left left arm. The guy 0:18:24.453 --> 0:18:28.173 that I would like to see because he gives quite 0:18:28.173 --> 0:18:33.573 a lot is Michael Bracewell. Bats yeah, really good for you, 0:18:34.533 --> 0:18:40.173 has leadership qualities which I think helps in all of this. 0:18:41.053 --> 0:18:44.493 Devin Conway, I put a question mark around him. I'm 0:18:44.533 --> 0:18:49.013 just not sure. I don't think he's sorted out that technique, 0:18:49.013 --> 0:18:51.053 that rising one up on his on his on his 0:18:51.453 --> 0:18:55.533 on his hip. And because the English, all things being equal, 0:18:55.613 --> 0:18:58.493 will come with some pace archer and there, and they've 0:18:58.493 --> 0:19:02.813 got a few others knocking around there, so they're going 0:19:02.853 --> 0:19:05.853 to make it awkward for for Conway. And I'm from 0:19:05.893 --> 0:19:08.053 that wonderful start. I think he's he's come off the 0:19:08.093 --> 0:19:11.533 ball well and the other one, which I'm sorry to say, 0:19:12.293 --> 0:19:17.253 being a Wellingtonian, I would probably go with Hey rather 0:19:17.293 --> 0:19:20.493 than Blundle. He just seems to be offering more, particularly 0:19:20.533 --> 0:19:24.773 with the bat and a certainly refine keeper. So this 0:19:24.853 --> 0:19:27.773 is all, this is all good stuff, but I yeah, 0:19:27.813 --> 0:19:31.013 I would. I got more questions than I have answers 0:19:31.053 --> 0:19:31.293 to this. 0:19:32.853 --> 0:19:34.253 Yes, Well. 0:19:34.453 --> 0:19:37.133 I had a chat to Mose a couple of nights 0:19:37.133 --> 0:19:41.173 ago and we had an interesting conversation, including some of 0:19:41.173 --> 0:19:42.413 those he's just mentioned. 0:19:43.453 --> 0:19:46.013 I've had a kind of a rethink. 0:19:47.493 --> 0:19:51.613 I think, you know, this is not really a tour 0:19:52.773 --> 0:19:54.773 in the sense of developing a player. 0:19:56.213 --> 0:19:59.173 I don't think it is. It's a test tour, isn't it. 0:19:59.173 --> 0:20:03.653 It's three games, three tests, or four you could count. 0:20:04.173 --> 0:20:07.133 But let's just look at the England part particularly. 0:20:07.933 --> 0:20:10.493 It's not, not, in my opinion, a series to blood 0:20:11.333 --> 0:20:15.293 new players. Don't forget if we blood a player there, 0:20:15.413 --> 0:20:17.613 they're the ones who are going to Big heading over 0:20:18.173 --> 0:20:22.533 to face Cummins and Hazelwood and Stark and. 0:20:22.493 --> 0:20:25.133 Bowland in a few months time. 0:20:26.293 --> 0:20:29.693 Blooding players is quite a sort of a careful thing, 0:20:29.853 --> 0:20:33.213 I think, and it has to be treated that way. 0:20:33.813 --> 0:20:36.013 You generally want. They'd like to do it at. 0:20:35.853 --> 0:20:41.333 Home, as he was, you know, at Wellington, that kind 0:20:41.373 --> 0:20:45.013 of approach. But to go to Lord's and introduce a 0:20:45.053 --> 0:20:49.613 new player is a question mark in my mind. Then 0:20:49.693 --> 0:20:54.653 we get someone like say a Williamson, for example, who's 0:20:54.693 --> 0:20:58.493 indicated he's available for this tour, and New Zealand do 0:20:58.653 --> 0:21:03.613 need that solidity there. How long However, is Kine going 0:21:03.613 --> 0:21:07.013 to keep playing. He's thirty six, he's got three kids, 0:21:07.333 --> 0:21:12.453 He's pulled out a tween twenties, he's. 0:21:11.853 --> 0:21:12.933 And not quite so. 0:21:14.573 --> 0:21:18.533 You know seen around ODIs now he plays the odd tests, 0:21:18.573 --> 0:21:20.453 doesn't he and the ones that he wants to play, 0:21:20.693 --> 0:21:24.573 and he's certainly earned those that kind of position. But 0:21:24.733 --> 0:21:26.773 how long is it going to be? Would you say 0:21:26.773 --> 0:21:28.213 two years? Would be thirty eight? 0:21:28.973 --> 0:21:31.213 I'd say the Australian series. 0:21:31.093 --> 0:21:34.373 Has got to be some plan over the next year 0:21:34.493 --> 0:21:37.013 or so for someone to go into three. 0:21:37.453 --> 0:21:40.773 Yeah, there's Test matches against India here in New Zealand 0:21:40.773 --> 0:21:45.453 before Australia, after the England series, then there's Australia, then 0:21:45.493 --> 0:21:48.093 there's Sri Lanka coming here and then a Test series 0:21:48.093 --> 0:21:51.933 in Pakistan, Who've got thirteen Test matches in the next 0:21:51.933 --> 0:21:54.613 twelve months, which is quite a lot. And some of 0:21:54.653 --> 0:21:58.253 those A players who would obviously come into contention, the 0:21:58.453 --> 0:22:02.773 likes of Heafi Marriou and even Robinson now after his 0:22:02.853 --> 0:22:06.453 batting in Sri Lanka, they may be further down the line. 0:22:06.493 --> 0:22:08.813 But I'm not sure that you're right. I'm sure that 0:22:08.853 --> 0:22:12.333 you're right in terms of England is not a place 0:22:12.373 --> 0:22:14.293 to blood somebody and send them out to Lords on 0:22:14.333 --> 0:22:18.573 their first Test match after a warm up game in Ireland. 0:22:18.773 --> 0:22:21.013 I don't know most you and he comment about all 0:22:21.053 --> 0:22:21.373 that much. 0:22:21.453 --> 0:22:23.693 The other point I would make very quickly is we 0:22:23.773 --> 0:22:27.853 know the method of our selectors, don't we Yes, they 0:22:27.973 --> 0:22:29.933 tend to be conservative. 0:22:29.613 --> 0:22:32.613 One of Onslow's finest, and and so what more can 0:22:32.653 --> 0:22:33.053 I say? 0:22:33.893 --> 0:22:35.013 Coney's not a selector. 0:22:36.413 --> 0:22:37.133 I thought he was. 0:22:37.653 --> 0:22:40.333 He was, he was on Slow's finest. May have the 0:22:40.373 --> 0:22:42.013 Williamton Club champions Now. 0:22:42.613 --> 0:22:46.413 Oh sorry, oh oh, I take that all back there. 0:22:47.213 --> 0:22:53.533 Yes, goodness me, Jerry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry to let 0:22:53.573 --> 0:22:56.773 that loosely on. I think that that's totally harsh and unfair. 0:22:58.893 --> 0:23:01.813 Well I didn't hear it once, thank heavens. 0:23:02.013 --> 0:23:04.013 Oh good we're. 0:23:03.893 --> 0:23:09.093 Learning quickly on. I think Williamson that absolutely the right. 0:23:09.733 --> 0:23:13.973 But when you're thirty six, you're coming, you're coming to 0:23:14.093 --> 0:23:17.053 that phase where the reactions aren't quite what they were, 0:23:17.573 --> 0:23:20.533 and when you're up against and in Australia where he 0:23:20.573 --> 0:23:23.253 hasn't gone that well, that's going to be going to 0:23:23.293 --> 0:23:26.253 be interesting. And I think the one that the place 0:23:26.253 --> 0:23:28.773 where we do want to prove ourselves is surely Australia, 0:23:28.813 --> 0:23:30.853 because I think we've we've we know we can play 0:23:30.893 --> 0:23:33.333 in England and we can be competitive there, but Australia 0:23:33.373 --> 0:23:36.413 is the one. But if you're thirty six thirty seven 0:23:37.413 --> 0:23:41.293 in Australia, that's going to be tough, tough for Williamson, 0:23:41.333 --> 0:23:44.333 but hey, we'll see. The one who I'd like to 0:23:44.373 --> 0:23:48.133 see more out of is Revendra and the English certainly 0:23:48.173 --> 0:23:51.373