WEBVTT - What you need to know about the Australian election and its impact on Kiwis

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<v Speaker 1>Gilda.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Chelsea Daniels and this is the Front Page, a

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<v Speaker 2>daily podcast presented by The New Zealand Herald. The Australian

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<v Speaker 2>federal election is heating up. Anthony Alberizi is facing the

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<v Speaker 2>challenge of becoming the first PM to be re elected

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<v Speaker 2>since John Howard. Alberizi has been an MP since nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>ninety six, when he was the youngest labor member of

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<v Speaker 2>the House.

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<v Speaker 3>For myself, I will be satisfied if I can be

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<v Speaker 3>remembered as someone who will stand up for the interests

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<v Speaker 3>of my electorate, for working class people, for the labor movement,

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<v Speaker 3>and for our progressive advancement as a nation into the

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<v Speaker 3>next century.

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<v Speaker 2>Meanwhile, Opposition leader Peter Dutton brings with him a wealth

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<v Speaker 2>of experience, having been elected to the House of Representatives

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<v Speaker 2>in two thousand and one aged thirty.

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<v Speaker 4>Mister Speaker of the Silent Majority, the forgotten people, or

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<v Speaker 4>the aspirational voter of our generations, some like to term

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<v Speaker 4>it fed up with bodies like the Civil Liberties Council

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<v Speaker 4>and the Refugee Action Collective, and certainly the dictatorship of

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<v Speaker 4>the trade union movement.

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<v Speaker 2>Both men have sat across the aisle from each other

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<v Speaker 2>for years, and this Saturday, Australians will vote which will lead.

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<v Speaker 1>Their country for the next three years. Today on the.

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<v Speaker 2>Front page, ABC News political reporter Claudia Long takes a

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<v Speaker 2>break from following around the candidates and joins us from

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<v Speaker 2>Melbourne to talk polls, policies and what Kiwi's and Aussie

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<v Speaker 2>need to know. First off, Claudia, how's the campaign been

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<v Speaker 2>thus far?

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<v Speaker 5>Long? Well, it feels long, it's actually been relatively short,

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<v Speaker 5>so they've been five weeks. But it's been a bit

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<v Speaker 5>of a bumpy road, I think for a number of

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<v Speaker 5>the leaders, particularly for the Opposition leader Peter Glotvin, so

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<v Speaker 5>he's had a few stumbles over the last week. But

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<v Speaker 5>the Prime Minister is also, you know, had a not

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<v Speaker 5>quite perfect campaign either. I think it's not exactly what

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<v Speaker 5>either of them we're hoping for that we're getting to

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<v Speaker 5>crunch point now. A lot of people have already voted here.

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<v Speaker 5>Early voting is a big thing in Australia and only

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<v Speaker 5>getting bigger, and so these last few days, even though

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<v Speaker 5>lots of lots of people have already voted, I think

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<v Speaker 5>there's still at least half of the voting population who hasn't,

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<v Speaker 5>so there's still some time for leaders to make their pictures,

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<v Speaker 5>for local candidates to get out there and meet potential

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<v Speaker 5>constituents who were almost at the end, which is a

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<v Speaker 5>little bit of a relief.

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<v Speaker 2>At the start of twenty twenty five, it looked like

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<v Speaker 2>the coalition was going to make Albernezia one term prime minister.

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<v Speaker 2>But in the last few weeks though, the polling is

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<v Speaker 2>flipped and now Labor and Elbow are ahead in most categories.

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<v Speaker 2>So what's gone on there?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I think there's been some of those stumbles from

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<v Speaker 5>the opposition, whether that they had a policy around springing

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<v Speaker 5>all public servants back into the office, so getting rid

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<v Speaker 5>of working from home provisions if you're at the public service. Now,

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<v Speaker 5>that went down like a lead balloon basically, well beyond

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<v Speaker 5>public service as well, because there's a lot of folks

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<v Speaker 5>here who, you know, like having a flexibility to work

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<v Speaker 5>from home whether or not they're in the public service,

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<v Speaker 5>and I think a lot of people were really put

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<v Speaker 5>off by that policy. Now that's since been reversed, but

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<v Speaker 5>the damage was really a done there. I think the

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<v Speaker 5>federal government's also had a number of things their way

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<v Speaker 5>as well during the campaign that has sort of exacerbated

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<v Speaker 5>that problem for Peter Dutton, the coalition leader. So they've

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<v Speaker 5>had policy announcements that have been quite well received, particularly

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<v Speaker 5>around housing, but also around tax deductions as well, and

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<v Speaker 5>so I think that sort of all contributes to that

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<v Speaker 5>slide that you've seen for Peter Dutton in the polls. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I read somewhere as well.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the Trump effect really took Europe by a storm.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, a lot of far right parties in Europe

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<v Speaker 2>gained a lot from Trump's success. Has done kind of

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<v Speaker 2>gotten the tail end of it. So when he's talking

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<v Speaker 2>about immigration and things, I mean, and then we saw

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<v Speaker 2>the tariff wars that have erupted since Trump announced those

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<v Speaker 2>earlier this year. Has he just kind of got in

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<v Speaker 2>at the tail end of it.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I think you're exactly right, and I think in

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<v Speaker 5>this case it's actually a good Trump effect, but it's negative.

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<v Speaker 5>So he has been really trying to existence himself from

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<v Speaker 5>Donald Trump. This is after you know, earlier in his

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<v Speaker 5>time as opposition leader saying that he's a think out,

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<v Speaker 5>really kind of praising the United States president almost. I

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<v Speaker 5>think that also a lot of his campaign has been

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<v Speaker 5>likened to Trump. So for example, we've seen that the

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<v Speaker 5>opposition we're going to introduce a DOGE, you know, a

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<v Speaker 5>Department of Government deficiency. In fact, I'm pretty sure that's

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<v Speaker 5>still on their list of things that they want to do,

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<v Speaker 5>which was immediately likely to Trump. I mean, even the

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<v Speaker 5>name is the same as the American one, which has

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<v Speaker 5>obviously been associated with a lot of job losses, with

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of cuts in the United States, and of

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<v Speaker 5>course with Elon Musks, who I think it's fair to

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<v Speaker 5>say a lot of voters find quite off putting. And

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<v Speaker 5>that's what I say. The privateness has been perfect on

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<v Speaker 5>this either. You know, I've seen, particularly online in one

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<v Speaker 5>of the debates, the Prime Minister said Donald Trump hasn't

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<v Speaker 5>given him a reason not to trust him. Now, I've

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<v Speaker 5>seen a lot of women I'll negatively react to that,

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<v Speaker 5>particularly quoting for example, when he's bragged about sexually harassing

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<v Speaker 5>or groping live for instance. So I think you know

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<v Speaker 5>that the Trump factor is definitely a factor, but it's

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<v Speaker 5>been more of a problem for Peter Duncktt.

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<v Speaker 4>This election is all about who can best manage the

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<v Speaker 4>Australian economy and if we can manage the economy well,

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<v Speaker 4>it means that we can bring inflation down. It means

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<v Speaker 4>that we can help families with the cost of living

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<v Speaker 4>crisis that this government's created. We live in the best

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<v Speaker 4>country in the world, but we do know that many

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<v Speaker 4>families are doing it tough.

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<v Speaker 6>Australians have a real choice this Saturday to continue building

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<v Speaker 6>Australia's future or go back to the past. Labor has

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<v Speaker 6>a real plan for cost of living support today whilst

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<v Speaker 6>building with investment for tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>What are the key policies from each party?

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<v Speaker 5>Most of it, really SAICH is around possibly the Labor

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<v Speaker 5>that's been around increasing Medicare bulk billing rebates. So the

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<v Speaker 5>way that menkey works in Australia is that a rebate

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<v Speaker 5>is set for doctors who bolt bill, which is see

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<v Speaker 5>the patients for free, so doctors will get more backed

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<v Speaker 5>for that. They've got a whole women's health package that's

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<v Speaker 5>particularly focused on contraception but also on menopause treatment, as

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<v Speaker 5>well as expanding their first home buyers home deposit scheme,

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<v Speaker 5>so that's when you can get a five percent house

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<v Speaker 5>rather than ten percent the mortgage and then the government

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<v Speaker 5>will guarantee your loon on the Polis side. They've also

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<v Speaker 5>got a lot around housing and cost of living, so

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<v Speaker 5>they have been arguing that our first home buyers should

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<v Speaker 5>be able to deduct their mortgage payments from their taxes.

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<v Speaker 5>That's been one of their key policies in selected and

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<v Speaker 5>they're also proposing a twenty five percent migration cut which

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<v Speaker 5>has been a highly controversial. It's been fascinating to see

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<v Speaker 5>the impact that that policy has on Saturday, particularly when

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<v Speaker 5>you know our economy but also our care sector in

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<v Speaker 5>particular here in Australia relies a lot on skilled migration

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<v Speaker 5>quite heavily. That would have a far reaching key packed

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<v Speaker 5>that policy. And who've been trying to get questions Actually

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<v Speaker 5>two Peter don't about whether or not care workers will

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<v Speaker 5>be exempt, and he won't answer when we've asked. So

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<v Speaker 5>I think that's that's a point of interest as well.

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<v Speaker 5>That the migration puts is definitely one of those big

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<v Speaker 5>policies which they link to housing too. They claim the

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<v Speaker 5>housing shortage is a bit exacerbated particularly by international students.

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<v Speaker 5>And then they also are pitching a national gas reservation

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<v Speaker 5>of policy, so they see gas as very much a

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<v Speaker 5>part of their plans to get to zero along with

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<v Speaker 5>building a number of nuclear power plants as well.

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<v Speaker 2>So here in New Zealand, the big issues when it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to Australia is the five h one deportees coming

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<v Speaker 2>back here and on the pathways to citizenship for those

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<v Speaker 2>Kiwis who do live there. What have the major parties

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<v Speaker 2>said about the rights of New Zealanders in Australia.

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<v Speaker 5>So the Coalition have actually adopted the policy that Labor

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<v Speaker 5>put in place in twenty twenty three, which is about

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<v Speaker 5>making getting citizenship here akili so you get it up

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<v Speaker 5>to four years. I believe it's a permanent resident in

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<v Speaker 5>Australia with very few exceptions. Now, when Labor introduced that,

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<v Speaker 5>the Coalition book highly critical again on this sort of

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<v Speaker 5>housing front related to migration. They said they were concerned

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<v Speaker 5>that increased migration of people from New Zealand to Australia

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<v Speaker 5>would exacerbate the housing shortage here. But they've changed their

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<v Speaker 5>gin on that at the election. They've now said that

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<v Speaker 5>they will not reverse what the Albanezy government did, So

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<v Speaker 5>that permanent residency to citizenship pathway for New Zealanders is

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<v Speaker 5>going to stay as it is now no matter which

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<v Speaker 5>party ends up.

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<v Speaker 1>For me governments so the.

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<v Speaker 2>Pair faced off for the final time in a debate

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<v Speaker 2>before Australia heads to the polls. Of course, on Saturday,

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<v Speaker 2>I saw Dustin singled out China as the biggest threat

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<v Speaker 2>to Australia's national security and it's not the first time

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<v Speaker 2>is said that as well. National security featured heavily in

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<v Speaker 2>the debate. Hey, is this something that Australians are quite

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<v Speaker 2>worried about?

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<v Speaker 5>I think it's definitely at the forefront of people's minds.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean not as much as possibly, to be honest,

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<v Speaker 5>that's the big, big, BIGI big thing here at the moment,

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<v Speaker 5>because I think when you can't afford to pay your rent,

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<v Speaker 5>or you can't afford to eat, or you're having to

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<v Speaker 5>take on extra shifts at work, like you haven't actually

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<v Speaker 5>really got time or the brain space to think about

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<v Speaker 5>a lot else when it comes to longer term and

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<v Speaker 5>more wide branching policies. But you're right, like it is

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<v Speaker 5>definitely on people's minds. I think it's an interesting choice

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<v Speaker 5>from Peter Dunnell to go there. And the reason that

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<v Speaker 5>I think it's an interesting choice is that the Liberals

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<v Speaker 5>are fighting really really hard to try and win a

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<v Speaker 5>seat called Ben Along which is on the North Shore

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<v Speaker 5>in Sydney. It's the seat that used to belong to

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<v Speaker 5>John Howard. It was a very long serving Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 5>in Australia in the late nineties and early two thousand

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<v Speaker 5>and It's got a really substantial Chinese population and in

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<v Speaker 5>that seat it used to be a safe Liberal seat.

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<v Speaker 5>At the last election, following the Morrison governments rhetoric on China,

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<v Speaker 5>there was a huge swing among Chinese Australian voters in

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<v Speaker 5>that seat against the Coalition. I'm surprised that they're going

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<v Speaker 5>back to this sort of rhetoric so close to the election,

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<v Speaker 5>particularly when that's a seat that has the margin between

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<v Speaker 5>the two candidates They're right, if eighty four votes, it

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<v Speaker 5>is tiny. It's also one that they really need to

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<v Speaker 5>win if they want to form government. So I'm surprised

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<v Speaker 5>to see him going back to that rhetoric because I

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<v Speaker 5>would imagine that would be quite off putting, I think

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<v Speaker 5>to a number of people in that community, if last

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<v Speaker 5>elections results are anything to go by. But we'll have

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<v Speaker 5>to see. I have to see on Saturday. I'm excited.

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<v Speaker 5>I can't wait to see all of the results.

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<v Speaker 2>And I guess we can't mention the debate without mentioning

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<v Speaker 2>Dunn and saying the Indigenous welcome to country is overdone.

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<v Speaker 4>For the start of every meeting at work or the

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<v Speaker 4>start of a football game. I think a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>Australians think it's overdone and it cheapens the significance of

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<v Speaker 4>what it was meant to do. It divides the country.

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<v Speaker 2>Why has this come about? And for those who don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>what is the welcome to country?

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<v Speaker 5>So welcomes to country are when an indigenous traditional owner

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<v Speaker 5>of the country that you're on essentially does a welcome

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<v Speaker 5>and they sometimes will speak about the land that you're on.

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<v Speaker 5>They might tell you a bit about its history, about

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<v Speaker 5>their people and their relationship to that land. It happens

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<v Speaker 5>often like pretty official ceremonies, so for example, like it

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<v Speaker 5>happens at the opening of Parliament or major events, and

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<v Speaker 5>it's something that has to be done by somebody who

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<v Speaker 5>is indigenous, like so for example in Australia, either Aboriginal

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<v Speaker 5>or to Austraight islander from the land that they are

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<v Speaker 5>welcoming you to. It's different to an acknowledgment of countries.

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<v Speaker 5>So that like when someone like me who is an

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<v Speaker 5>indigenous for example, would say like, you know, I work

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<v Speaker 5>on Nunea Wall and Nambry.

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<v Speaker 1>Land in Camber.

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<v Speaker 5>And I think that's the thing about this debate that

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<v Speaker 5>has sort of gotten loss, which is that there seems

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<v Speaker 5>to be a conflation of these two things, are welcome

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<v Speaker 5>to country and an acknowledgment of country, which are very different.

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<v Speaker 5>They're not the same, but they're being conflated at the moment.

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<v Speaker 5>And so we've then seen this sort of a vowle

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<v Speaker 5>all through the last debate into Peter Dunel saying that

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<v Speaker 5>these things are overdone. Now what he's seen to be

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<v Speaker 5>actually referring to his acknowledgments of country not welcomes to country,

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<v Speaker 5>but he's using the language of welcome to country. So

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<v Speaker 5>to be honest, it's actually not entirely clear to me

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<v Speaker 5>exactly what he's talking about, but he believes that it's

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<v Speaker 5>something that is overdone in his view, for example, at

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<v Speaker 5>sans Ac Day or on planes or at football matches.

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<v Speaker 5>But that hasn't been particularly well received by a big

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<v Speaker 5>portion of the community. But at the same time, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>on the debate night at Channel seven when there was

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<v Speaker 5>a flash bowl of a group of people who've been

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<v Speaker 5>watching the debate afterwards, people did seem to really respond

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<v Speaker 5>to what he was saying. They seem to view it positively.

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<v Speaker 5>They have this thing called the false which means that

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<v Speaker 5>viewers are basically logging in real time like how they

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<v Speaker 5>feel about what a candidate is saying. And there was

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<v Speaker 5>an uptick as he was talking about it in a

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<v Speaker 5>positive direction. So it did really resonate with some people

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<v Speaker 5>as well. But it's a complicated discussion, that's for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Australia has a lot more more independence and minor parties

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<v Speaker 2>than New Zealand. I read that in twenty twenty two

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<v Speaker 2>there were twenty four seats where they beat both Labor

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<v Speaker 2>and the Coalition and cross benches one fifteen of those.

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<v Speaker 2>In the end, it was the highest number of independent

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<v Speaker 2>minor party MPs elected in the modern political era. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>why is there such a movement towards smaller parties or

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<v Speaker 2>one party MPs.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I think it's a reflective of a broader movement

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<v Speaker 5>around the world where we've seen people really moving away

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<v Speaker 5>from these major parties who were really stalwarts about political

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<v Speaker 5>system and towards people who might be in all firebrands,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, or perhaps very different sort of like to

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<v Speaker 5>position themselves as being outside of politics while simultaneously inside politics.

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<v Speaker 5>It's going to be very interesting to see if the

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<v Speaker 5>so called teal independents can maintain the momentum that they

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<v Speaker 5>had at the last election. There's a number of seats

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<v Speaker 5>where they're facing really fierce contests against growths, which it

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<v Speaker 5>looks like some of them may lose their seats, but

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<v Speaker 5>if they managed to hold on, that will be fascinating

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<v Speaker 5>because once you've had an independent who's been in normally

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<v Speaker 5>about two terms, so basically gets elected the first time

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<v Speaker 5>and then re elected from being an incumbent, they are

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<v Speaker 5>really hard to shift. And at least that's what history

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<v Speaker 5>has shown us is it's very difficult. Once they're in,

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<v Speaker 5>they're in. And what that means for the Liberal Party

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<v Speaker 5>and the coalition will broadly, but also the Parliament as

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<v Speaker 5>a whole, is that that could really change the face

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<v Speaker 5>of Australian politics for decades to come, not just the

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<v Speaker 5>next election, not just the next term, but for a

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<v Speaker 5>really long time. And so I think that's going to

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<v Speaker 5>be one of the key things to look for on

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<v Speaker 5>Saturday Night, is if they can keep those seats and

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<v Speaker 5>also grow their numbers, and.

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<v Speaker 2>We've delved into Australia's appolling rate of femicide on this

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<v Speaker 2>podcast before.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, there is a much more laser focus on the

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<v Speaker 7>issue at the moment, but we also know that within

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<v Speaker 7>a week or two this focus will die down and

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<v Speaker 7>we'll be back to the normal level of indifference from

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<v Speaker 7>many media outlets and all so many politicians.

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<v Speaker 2>On Albanese's promise to end violence against women in a generation,

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<v Speaker 2>what was the public's reaction to.

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<v Speaker 5>That, well, I think at the time there was a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of hope that that could happen. When the National

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<v Speaker 5>Plan was introduced, you know, there's bipartisanship, it's been a

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<v Speaker 5>long running thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's grown to be.

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<v Speaker 5>Frustration, particularly in some sectors of the community around the

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<v Speaker 5>national Plan and whether it's working and what the actual

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<v Speaker 5>benchmarks are because within a generation is a fairly non

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<v Speaker 5>specific phrase. It's not very well defined necessarily. And we've

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<v Speaker 5>also seen here over the past few weeks while this

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<v Speaker 5>campaign has been going on, there have been a number

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<v Speaker 5>of women who've been killed and what it is to

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<v Speaker 5>be domestic violence incidents now we can't say that for

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<v Speaker 5>sure or for a lot of them, like just like

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<v Speaker 5>to add, there's a lot of questions that still need

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<v Speaker 5>to be answered. These things have to go through the courts.

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<v Speaker 5>That's not for us to say yet. But there has

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<v Speaker 5>been a lot of discussion and debate around jend Violenceustralia

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<v Speaker 5>and where the governments are doing enough.

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<v Speaker 4>Now.

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<v Speaker 5>Last year we saw a real uptic in community frustration

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<v Speaker 5>anger around this because there were again a number of

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<v Speaker 5>women who were killed, and there were a number of

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<v Speaker 5>women who were killed in a really horrible incident at

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<v Speaker 5>a shopping center here, and that really had sent shock

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<v Speaker 5>waves around the country. Since then, we've seen the government,

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<v Speaker 5>federal government but also the state government's come together and

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<v Speaker 5>put out these very you know, big packages around spending

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<v Speaker 5>and reform. But what we also saw was that following

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<v Speaker 5>the federal budget where that happened, a number of frontline

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<v Speaker 5>workers were furious and frustrated and they said that the

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<v Speaker 5>government actually wasn't following through on their rhetoric, that a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of the money that they said they allocated was

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<v Speaker 5>for things that were already being spent on. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>one person described it to us as trickery and deception.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, I don't think there's any two ways around that.

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<v Speaker 5>That's pretty unambiguously clear how they felt about it. We've

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<v Speaker 5>seen some movement on the campaign around this, So we

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<v Speaker 5>saw Labor announce a package around gender violence again and

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<v Speaker 5>in this election a couple of weeks ago, which was

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<v Speaker 5>then matched and expanded by the Coalition, which is much

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<v Speaker 5>more about like tracking and things like that. So for example,

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<v Speaker 5>it has commitments around ankle bracelets and offenders or a

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<v Speaker 5>national domestic violence registry for example. And I think there's

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of experts who will have questions around how

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<v Speaker 5>this will work and what some of the unintentional flow

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<v Speaker 5>and effects as well might be. But also a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of this stuff has been welcomed as well, because I

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<v Speaker 5>think people are frustrated and angry and upset that this

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<v Speaker 5>is still happening and that it took so long, to

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<v Speaker 5>be perfectly frank, for our leaders to be asked about

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<v Speaker 5>it and for them to say anything about it. So

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<v Speaker 5>I think we shall definitely keep being an issue after

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<v Speaker 5>the election is done and we have in your government.

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<v Speaker 2>So, Claudia, how likely is it that we will know

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<v Speaker 2>who the prime minister will be on the night or

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<v Speaker 2>could we have to wait for some coalition negotiations?

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<v Speaker 5>So it looks like if the polls are anything to

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<v Speaker 5>go by, and you know, they don't tell the future, unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 5>make my job a lot easier. But it looks like

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<v Speaker 5>that we could expect a minority government or a hung parliament,

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<v Speaker 5>so that you're right, it will take time to negotiate

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<v Speaker 5>what that looks like. Now, last time this happened in

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<v Speaker 5>twenty ten, that took a few weeks, so it wasn't

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<v Speaker 5>just one had done an election night. It went for

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<v Speaker 5>quite a while and there was a lot of back

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<v Speaker 5>and forth. So typically the party that has the most

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<v Speaker 5>seats in its own rights those negotiations. But you know,

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<v Speaker 5>I mean that's not to say everyone's always going to

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<v Speaker 5>play by the rules all the time. You can expect

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<v Speaker 5>that if that does happen, there'd probably be a few

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<v Speaker 5>tear independents in the mix. But you've also got independence

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<v Speaker 5>like Ellen Haynes, who's a regional Victorian independent. You've got

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<v Speaker 5>Bob Catter as well, who's very, you know, incredibly different

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<v Speaker 5>to the Teals, and so there's a lot of different

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<v Speaker 5>interests that would be bubbling away there. It's a sort

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<v Speaker 5>of thing where you wish you could be a fly

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<v Speaker 5>on the wall to what's it all happened?

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for joining us, Claudia, thanks for having me. That's

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