1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,387 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,787 Speaker 1: from News Talks ed B. 3 00:00:12,787 --> 00:00:16,227 Speaker 2: Including one of the final against Australia near him illness gudder. 4 00:00:16,267 --> 00:00:17,627 Speaker 3: Great to see you, mate. 5 00:00:17,427 --> 00:00:20,947 Speaker 4: She's very thanks for having me. Just listening to the 6 00:00:21,267 --> 00:00:23,107 Speaker 4: boys you got lined up coming on after me. I 7 00:00:23,107 --> 00:00:26,027 Speaker 4: guess I won't set the bar too high for them, 8 00:00:26,027 --> 00:00:28,147 Speaker 4: but I'm sure they'll roll in and get some good yarns. 9 00:00:28,187 --> 00:00:31,027 Speaker 4: But it's awesome to be here. It's yeah, a lot 10 00:00:31,027 --> 00:00:34,547 Speaker 4: of Springbok jerseys. I was just seen my mate toes before, 11 00:00:34,747 --> 00:00:37,467 Speaker 4: did a bit of a wander through town early doors. 12 00:00:37,467 --> 00:00:39,187 Speaker 4: My daughter loves getting on the cable car, so I 13 00:00:39,227 --> 00:00:41,387 Speaker 4: thought I will get out there bright and early to 14 00:00:41,387 --> 00:00:43,067 Speaker 4: miss all the Russian ari. 15 00:00:43,227 --> 00:00:44,947 Speaker 5: I thought I was, you know, and Joe bog or 16 00:00:44,987 --> 00:00:45,707 Speaker 5: something with all the. 17 00:00:45,627 --> 00:00:49,907 Speaker 4: Green and gold jerseys on the cable car and rolling 18 00:00:49,947 --> 00:00:53,507 Speaker 4: around Lenton. So it's awesome, buzz yeah. Really excited for 19 00:00:53,587 --> 00:00:55,507 Speaker 4: tonight and here it's gonna be a good one. 20 00:00:55,547 --> 00:00:57,387 Speaker 3: Yeah, test match in the city. It's great. 21 00:00:57,387 --> 00:00:59,427 Speaker 2: It's not you can soak up the day and ride 22 00:00:59,467 --> 00:01:02,827 Speaker 2: the cable car see some fans. Now you're involved in 23 00:01:02,867 --> 00:01:04,787 Speaker 2: coaching at the moment in fact, the reason we had 24 00:01:05,027 --> 00:01:07,467 Speaker 2: you leading off was because of your star power obviously, 25 00:01:07,507 --> 00:01:09,547 Speaker 2: but also because you've got to get out to Kilbernie 26 00:01:09,547 --> 00:01:12,267 Speaker 2: to coach the pornikee under eighty five. 27 00:01:12,307 --> 00:01:14,027 Speaker 3: So you're in the quarter finals of the national camp. 28 00:01:14,267 --> 00:01:14,947 Speaker 5: Yeah. 29 00:01:15,027 --> 00:01:17,507 Speaker 4: So pornakeab boys have been going alright, had a couple 30 00:01:17,547 --> 00:01:20,187 Speaker 4: of wins in the first rounds of this eighty five 31 00:01:20,227 --> 00:01:23,787 Speaker 4: knockout comp. So we've got new Plymouth old boys at 32 00:01:23,827 --> 00:01:27,427 Speaker 4: Kilbernie Park. So while you're listening, if you're not so 33 00:01:27,547 --> 00:01:29,827 Speaker 4: much in the next sort of forty five minutes, keep 34 00:01:29,827 --> 00:01:32,547 Speaker 4: the radio going. But in terms of viewing things, yeah, 35 00:01:32,587 --> 00:01:35,027 Speaker 4: come down to Kilburnie and watch our boys have run 36 00:01:35,067 --> 00:01:38,347 Speaker 4: around yet they train pretty well this week and obviously 37 00:01:38,427 --> 00:01:41,667 Speaker 4: at this knockout stage anything can happen. So yeah, really 38 00:01:41,707 --> 00:01:43,787 Speaker 4: pumped for that and probably set the tone hopefully for 39 00:01:44,187 --> 00:01:46,747 Speaker 4: a few good results coming forward later on. Over the 40 00:01:46,787 --> 00:01:48,507 Speaker 4: next twelve hours, that eighty. 41 00:01:48,267 --> 00:01:50,947 Speaker 2: Five kilogram division some kind of growing, hasn't it. And 42 00:01:50,987 --> 00:01:52,787 Speaker 2: we saw a new Zealand team go to Sri Lanka. 43 00:01:52,827 --> 00:01:55,667 Speaker 2: I think it was earlier this year. The national comp's 44 00:01:55,987 --> 00:01:58,307 Speaker 2: really exciting. I think the final the curtain raiser to 45 00:01:58,347 --> 00:02:00,587 Speaker 2: the Black Slow Cup game in Auckland in a couple 46 00:02:00,667 --> 00:02:01,067 Speaker 2: of weeks. 47 00:02:01,387 --> 00:02:02,707 Speaker 3: What sort of rugby is it there? 48 00:02:02,747 --> 00:02:04,547 Speaker 2: Do you find that there are a least big hits 49 00:02:04,547 --> 00:02:07,227 Speaker 2: and more silky back line saw or is there still 50 00:02:07,227 --> 00:02:08,467 Speaker 2: some physicality involved. 51 00:02:08,747 --> 00:02:10,987 Speaker 5: I think it's a nice mix of both. 52 00:02:11,067 --> 00:02:13,467 Speaker 4: Like you'd probably think, oh, you know, if you're the 53 00:02:13,707 --> 00:02:17,267 Speaker 4: if you're the lighter weight players running around and it 54 00:02:17,347 --> 00:02:21,187 Speaker 4: is some pretty expensive rugby. I know, probably my own 55 00:02:21,227 --> 00:02:23,467 Speaker 4: bias way of wanting to play. I try and encourage 56 00:02:23,467 --> 00:02:26,427 Speaker 4: the boys to you know, push passes and express themselves. 57 00:02:27,427 --> 00:02:29,307 Speaker 4: But I guess an interesting one and product what I 58 00:02:29,507 --> 00:02:32,587 Speaker 4: didn't appreciate was around the set piece. So when you've 59 00:02:32,627 --> 00:02:36,227 Speaker 4: got you know, under eighty five kg players packing down 60 00:02:36,227 --> 00:02:41,187 Speaker 4: into scrums, it's almost like the older bit more experienced 61 00:02:41,187 --> 00:02:43,667 Speaker 4: guys that know the technique and know how to pack 62 00:02:43,747 --> 00:02:46,187 Speaker 4: down and you can't kind of put you know, a 63 00:02:46,267 --> 00:02:48,787 Speaker 4: back that's sort of been playing prims into the front 64 00:02:48,827 --> 00:02:52,387 Speaker 4: run and put them into the deep end. So yeah, 65 00:02:52,507 --> 00:02:54,467 Speaker 4: na sort of caters for everyone. If there's guys that 66 00:02:55,067 --> 00:02:58,147 Speaker 4: you know, hole in around the set piece, you know, 67 00:02:58,227 --> 00:03:01,147 Speaker 4: they were pretty handy assets as well as yeah, guys 68 00:03:01,147 --> 00:03:03,387 Speaker 4: that can fling the ball around and use them at 69 00:03:03,387 --> 00:03:04,107 Speaker 4: a pace out wide. 70 00:03:04,187 --> 00:03:05,787 Speaker 2: All right, well, all the best of this afternoon. We'll 71 00:03:05,827 --> 00:03:07,667 Speaker 2: be looking at for the result in a couple of hours. 72 00:03:08,227 --> 00:03:12,227 Speaker 2: All Black South Africa famous rivalry normally pretty tight apart 73 00:03:12,347 --> 00:03:17,987 Speaker 2: from Albany twenty seventeen All Blacks fifty seven South Africa Nil. 74 00:03:18,187 --> 00:03:19,867 Speaker 2: You were part of that team. Couple of tries for 75 00:03:19,947 --> 00:03:23,147 Speaker 2: you that night. What went so well for the All 76 00:03:23,187 --> 00:03:24,427 Speaker 2: Blacks that night at Albany. 77 00:03:26,547 --> 00:03:29,427 Speaker 4: Yeah, it feels like a few games going now when 78 00:03:29,467 --> 00:03:33,227 Speaker 4: you talk about results, and just I guess how South 79 00:03:33,227 --> 00:03:35,747 Speaker 4: Africa had been in over the past few years. Obviously 80 00:03:35,787 --> 00:03:38,587 Speaker 4: you know, back to back World cut winning champs, but 81 00:03:38,747 --> 00:03:41,747 Speaker 4: I think reflecting back to twenty seventeen, it almost felt 82 00:03:41,747 --> 00:03:44,267 Speaker 4: like one of those games where everything just clipped. 83 00:03:45,507 --> 00:03:46,547 Speaker 5: In our physicality. 84 00:03:46,587 --> 00:03:48,667 Speaker 4: And I've heard that sort of touched on in the 85 00:03:48,707 --> 00:03:51,147 Speaker 4: media this week from some of the All Blacks and 86 00:03:51,187 --> 00:03:56,227 Speaker 4: All Blacks camp around getting that physicality right, and so yeah, 87 00:03:56,227 --> 00:04:00,467 Speaker 4: that like in terms of winning collisions, dominating each sort 88 00:04:00,507 --> 00:04:03,787 Speaker 4: of ball, carry, tackles, the bounce of the ball, we 89 00:04:03,827 --> 00:04:07,627 Speaker 4: sort of played at a pace where maybe we took 90 00:04:07,667 --> 00:04:10,107 Speaker 4: them by surprise, so we really I think that's a 91 00:04:10,107 --> 00:04:10,667 Speaker 4: couple of tries. 92 00:04:10,707 --> 00:04:12,947 Speaker 5: We've got kind of a full length one. I think Brady. 93 00:04:13,067 --> 00:04:16,107 Speaker 4: Brittallic ran in a counter attack off reads his break. 94 00:04:16,187 --> 00:04:20,627 Speaker 4: So it's almost like the boys were just up with 95 00:04:20,747 --> 00:04:23,587 Speaker 4: the intensity and then we just matched it through you know, 96 00:04:23,587 --> 00:04:27,027 Speaker 4: our collisions, skill execution. Yeah, one of those games where 97 00:04:27,027 --> 00:04:30,587 Speaker 4: things just came off, and yeah, that was probably a 98 00:04:30,587 --> 00:04:31,507 Speaker 4: good game to be a part of. 99 00:04:31,547 --> 00:04:31,987 Speaker 5: I enjoyed it. 100 00:04:32,067 --> 00:04:34,627 Speaker 2: Yeah, I bet, I bet, and you kept going as well, 101 00:04:34,667 --> 00:04:36,467 Speaker 2: because it wasn't as though it was forty a half time. 102 00:04:36,467 --> 00:04:38,707 Speaker 2: I was thirty one or something, so equal points in 103 00:04:38,747 --> 00:04:40,667 Speaker 2: both halves and the bench came on that. Cody Taylor 104 00:04:40,707 --> 00:04:44,627 Speaker 2: got the last try off the bench. The iconic try though, 105 00:04:44,667 --> 00:04:47,387 Speaker 2: your first one. When you've intercepted it, you're off fifty 106 00:04:47,427 --> 00:04:49,307 Speaker 2: meter run bodies there, you give it to him and 107 00:04:49,307 --> 00:04:52,147 Speaker 2: then he's given that little flick pass behind him back 108 00:04:52,187 --> 00:04:53,507 Speaker 2: to you and you're running for the try. 109 00:04:54,067 --> 00:04:55,947 Speaker 3: What pictures are you seeing in moments like that? 110 00:04:56,147 --> 00:04:59,147 Speaker 2: Is it really just instinctive when you're playing alongside a 111 00:04:59,187 --> 00:05:01,387 Speaker 2: guy like that and everything's just in sync. 112 00:05:02,067 --> 00:05:02,307 Speaker 1: Yeah. 113 00:05:02,347 --> 00:05:04,467 Speaker 4: I think even sort of prior to that, in that 114 00:05:04,587 --> 00:05:08,907 Speaker 4: defensive line, I think I was defending inside outside Sunny 115 00:05:08,947 --> 00:05:11,067 Speaker 4: Bill and knowing that he likes to get get up 116 00:05:11,107 --> 00:05:14,027 Speaker 4: and put pressure on the defensive, sorry on the attacking players, 117 00:05:14,027 --> 00:05:15,907 Speaker 4: and I think it might have been one of the 118 00:05:15,987 --> 00:05:16,667 Speaker 4: loose forwards. 119 00:05:16,827 --> 00:05:18,347 Speaker 5: So I kind of. 120 00:05:18,267 --> 00:05:20,187 Speaker 4: Just picture or anticipated that he wouldn't be able to 121 00:05:20,187 --> 00:05:22,747 Speaker 4: throw like a big cutout pass, and I'd get into 122 00:05:22,787 --> 00:05:26,667 Speaker 4: that space and that next attack outside of him, Yeah. 123 00:05:26,827 --> 00:05:29,067 Speaker 5: Picked it off, got run down. 124 00:05:29,587 --> 00:05:32,307 Speaker 4: Why scot I think it was Scorzar, one of the 125 00:05:32,387 --> 00:05:35,067 Speaker 4: wingers who's absolutely rapid, saw body out the right on 126 00:05:35,107 --> 00:05:36,627 Speaker 4: my right side, and I thought, oh, yeah, give it 127 00:05:36,627 --> 00:05:36,867 Speaker 4: to him. 128 00:05:36,907 --> 00:05:38,067 Speaker 5: He'll he'll run it in from here. 129 00:05:38,787 --> 00:05:41,667 Speaker 4: And I've kind of probably made me feel a little 130 00:05:41,707 --> 00:05:43,347 Speaker 4: bit better the fact that not only did I get 131 00:05:43,387 --> 00:05:48,027 Speaker 4: run down, bear's got got chased down as well. And 132 00:05:48,067 --> 00:05:49,667 Speaker 4: then it was just one of those moments where I'm like, 133 00:05:49,707 --> 00:05:54,747 Speaker 4: I see body cutting back in. Yeah, just quite instinctive, 134 00:05:54,747 --> 00:05:56,947 Speaker 4: all reactive to going, oh, he could probably flick one 135 00:05:56,987 --> 00:05:59,227 Speaker 4: out here, and then he just lets it go out 136 00:05:59,267 --> 00:06:01,627 Speaker 4: the right hand, out the back, and then he was 137 00:06:01,627 --> 00:06:03,827 Speaker 4: a bit easier running than in twenty meters as opposed 138 00:06:03,867 --> 00:06:06,307 Speaker 4: to I think an eighty odd where were the run 139 00:06:06,427 --> 00:06:06,987 Speaker 4: first started. 140 00:06:07,307 --> 00:06:10,547 Speaker 3: Yeah, brilliant. So another one in the second half out wide. 141 00:06:10,947 --> 00:06:13,307 Speaker 2: A lot of talk this week about about the aerial 142 00:06:13,347 --> 00:06:17,067 Speaker 2: battle high kicks. What was your strategy for dealing with 143 00:06:17,147 --> 00:06:18,867 Speaker 2: high kicks as a defender? 144 00:06:18,907 --> 00:06:25,067 Speaker 4: First of all, Ah, as much as I planned and trained, 145 00:06:25,987 --> 00:06:29,627 Speaker 4: that probably wasn't my my strong area. 146 00:06:30,027 --> 00:06:32,267 Speaker 5: Even just thinking back to the game. In the semi 147 00:06:32,267 --> 00:06:32,747 Speaker 5: final at the. 148 00:06:32,707 --> 00:06:35,507 Speaker 4: World Cup we played South Africa, Brian Habana was my 149 00:06:35,507 --> 00:06:37,987 Speaker 4: opposing winger and he just had a slut field day. 150 00:06:39,467 --> 00:06:41,747 Speaker 4: I think it was the prayer was the nine and 151 00:06:41,787 --> 00:06:44,307 Speaker 4: they just kept peppering me with with box kicks. I 152 00:06:44,347 --> 00:06:46,507 Speaker 4: think the strategy was to just slap, just go no, 153 00:06:46,827 --> 00:06:49,827 Speaker 4: you're out, Chuck Bender. Ben Smith moved moved to the 154 00:06:49,907 --> 00:06:53,427 Speaker 4: right wing to cover Scutter's sort of lack of and 155 00:06:54,267 --> 00:06:59,107 Speaker 4: in his aerial game. But just yeah, seeing as how 156 00:06:59,187 --> 00:07:02,587 Speaker 4: much of a weapon it is in today's game, Just 157 00:07:02,587 --> 00:07:04,827 Speaker 4: thinking of South Africa's sort of tactics over the last 158 00:07:04,867 --> 00:07:07,867 Speaker 4: few years and that sort of came into play last week. 159 00:07:09,107 --> 00:07:10,787 Speaker 5: Ethan Hooker their their winger. 160 00:07:10,907 --> 00:07:13,827 Speaker 4: Yep, he's a big unit, so I think that will 161 00:07:13,867 --> 00:07:16,987 Speaker 4: be a good test, you know him and Will Jordan 162 00:07:17,147 --> 00:07:19,427 Speaker 4: or testing Damon and Body at the back putting a 163 00:07:19,427 --> 00:07:23,227 Speaker 4: lot of prescire there Cheslin Colby's probably run a similar 164 00:07:23,227 --> 00:07:26,867 Speaker 4: size to me, but he's one of the bravest, toughest 165 00:07:27,227 --> 00:07:29,627 Speaker 4: wingers going around and he backs himself in the here too, 166 00:07:29,667 --> 00:07:33,107 Speaker 4: So yeah, that'll be a good area, good challenge I 167 00:07:33,147 --> 00:07:34,987 Speaker 4: think on both teams and how. 168 00:07:34,827 --> 00:07:35,787 Speaker 5: They use their aerial game. 169 00:07:35,867 --> 00:07:38,627 Speaker 2: Tonight, you only daboot for the All Blacks a month 170 00:07:38,667 --> 00:07:41,667 Speaker 2: before the twenty fifteen Rugby World Cup. Two tries on 171 00:07:41,707 --> 00:07:44,987 Speaker 2: daboo by the way, similar in twenty nineteen, George Bridge 172 00:07:44,987 --> 00:07:46,987 Speaker 2: and sever reached the starting wingers at the back end 173 00:07:47,027 --> 00:07:49,467 Speaker 2: of that tournament that only debut in the year before 174 00:07:49,627 --> 00:07:52,827 Speaker 2: the tournament. How much of that wing spot is about 175 00:07:52,907 --> 00:07:55,267 Speaker 2: kind of being the hot hand in the year or 176 00:07:55,267 --> 00:07:56,467 Speaker 2: so before a World Cup. 177 00:07:58,707 --> 00:08:01,027 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think a lot of it comes down to form, 178 00:08:01,067 --> 00:08:03,627 Speaker 4: I guess, and you look through form over the Super 179 00:08:03,707 --> 00:08:09,427 Speaker 4: Rugby season and I think for me personally being in 180 00:08:09,467 --> 00:08:12,027 Speaker 4: those outside back or wingers, a lot of it's about 181 00:08:12,067 --> 00:08:16,787 Speaker 4: confidence and just backing yourself and you kind of don't 182 00:08:17,067 --> 00:08:19,227 Speaker 4: you can't afford to sort of second guess or you know, 183 00:08:19,387 --> 00:08:21,307 Speaker 4: sort of be a bit doubtful about what. 184 00:08:21,267 --> 00:08:21,987 Speaker 5: Your decisions are. 185 00:08:21,987 --> 00:08:24,827 Speaker 4: And so I guess if people are bringing that confidence 186 00:08:24,827 --> 00:08:27,587 Speaker 4: in that form from super rugby that sort of just 187 00:08:27,667 --> 00:08:31,147 Speaker 4: naturally translates into the All Blacks, if not goes to another. 188 00:08:30,907 --> 00:08:32,427 Speaker 5: Level, which is usually the case. 189 00:08:33,947 --> 00:08:37,227 Speaker 4: And so yeah, segueing into Bonfa and LERI Carter, I 190 00:08:37,267 --> 00:08:40,067 Speaker 4: think he's probably been one of the form wingers over 191 00:08:40,067 --> 00:08:43,507 Speaker 4: the last couple of years. So yeah, pumped to see 192 00:08:43,947 --> 00:08:46,547 Speaker 4: to see him go tonight. I remember him coming into 193 00:08:46,587 --> 00:08:49,347 Speaker 4: the Hurricanes as sort of a wider training group plan. 194 00:08:49,507 --> 00:08:53,347 Speaker 4: He was Oh, he was unreal, just the seventh background. 195 00:08:53,467 --> 00:08:55,867 Speaker 4: I think you'd gone or been involved with the and 196 00:08:55,867 --> 00:08:59,747 Speaker 4: you're still in seventh team, probably coming in with us 197 00:08:59,787 --> 00:09:02,627 Speaker 4: strong physical, but someone that backs himself and you had 198 00:09:02,627 --> 00:09:05,187 Speaker 4: to do that in seven. So I'm I'm sure he'll 199 00:09:05,187 --> 00:09:07,947 Speaker 4: do that tonight and you make the most of that opportunity. 200 00:09:08,027 --> 00:09:09,267 Speaker 2: All Right, you got to go me and coach in 201 00:09:09,307 --> 00:09:11,707 Speaker 2: a minute, but you reckon they'll win again tonight, AB. 202 00:09:11,867 --> 00:09:14,427 Speaker 5: One hundred percent. Yeah, Yeah, I'm hoping, Yeah, I know 203 00:09:14,467 --> 00:09:16,027 Speaker 5: they'll win. I just hope it's a good game. 204 00:09:16,147 --> 00:09:19,267 Speaker 4: Like looking at obviously I won't come in too much 205 00:09:19,267 --> 00:09:22,987 Speaker 4: on the forwards, but both backlines are pretty exciting South Africa. 206 00:09:23,067 --> 00:09:25,227 Speaker 4: I think Yeah, russis named I think maybe six or 207 00:09:25,307 --> 00:09:28,507 Speaker 4: quite a few changes to their backline. And with all 208 00:09:28,587 --> 00:09:31,627 Speaker 4: due respect to the Krells and the Linde's and Pollards, 209 00:09:31,667 --> 00:09:33,187 Speaker 4: like the class players who. 210 00:09:33,987 --> 00:09:35,467 Speaker 5: You know you just look at their RAKEBCV and what 211 00:09:35,507 --> 00:09:36,107 Speaker 5: they've achieved. 212 00:09:36,467 --> 00:09:39,147 Speaker 4: It's almost like seeing how this new group with Sasha 213 00:09:39,227 --> 00:09:44,947 Speaker 4: and Moody. Damien Hilums there at twelve. Love watching him. 214 00:09:45,067 --> 00:09:47,907 Speaker 4: So yeah, it'd be awesome game. I know that AB's 215 00:09:47,907 --> 00:09:50,107 Speaker 4: will win. I just wanted to sort of there be 216 00:09:50,147 --> 00:09:50,427 Speaker 4: one of. 217 00:09:50,347 --> 00:09:52,707 Speaker 5: Those exciting chuck the ball around. 218 00:09:52,707 --> 00:09:55,627 Speaker 4: Obviously not too many mistakes were people are executing their 219 00:09:55,667 --> 00:09:57,907 Speaker 4: skills but putting their talent on displace. 220 00:09:57,667 --> 00:09:59,667 Speaker 2: To good Mannah here. Great to see you make, great 221 00:09:59,667 --> 00:10:01,267 Speaker 2: to catch up. I feel like we could talk for hours, becase, 222 00:10:01,267 --> 00:10:03,187 Speaker 2: as I say, you got to get to Kilbernie Park. 223 00:10:03,187 --> 00:10:05,027 Speaker 2: Will look forward to the result in a few hours. 224 00:10:05,027 --> 00:10:05,987 Speaker 3: Mate. But thanks for stopping in. 225 00:10:06,347 --> 00:10:07,427 Speaker 5: Apreciate it a bray, Thanks for having me. 226 00:10:07,667 --> 00:10:08,107 Speaker 3: It's near here. 227 00:10:08,147 --> 00:10:10,427 Speaker 2: Milner Scatter joining us to lead us off today from 228 00:10:10,507 --> 00:10:12,627 Speaker 2: SHID twenty two in Wellington. 229 00:10:13,267 --> 00:10:16,467 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live 230 00:10:16,547 --> 00:10:19,867 Speaker 1: to News Talks it B weekends from midday or follow 231 00:10:19,907 --> 00:10:21,507 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio,