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Speaker 3: a doozy of a show today, as it always is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good old Matt and Tyler and your eel. Hey

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Speaker 3: after three o'clock, this is going to be a good chat.

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Speaker 3: Singer and actress Suki Waterhouse she suffered hernia because her

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we want to talk about fashion idiocy. I mean

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Speaker 2: that is humiliating. We're in pants so tight that they

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Speaker 2: give yourself a hernia? What an own goal? What a

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Speaker 2: muppet show? So we want to talk about fashion to

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Speaker 2: see yours or others. Have you been a fashion victim?

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Speaker 2: Have you worn something or done something to yourself to

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Speaker 2: know someone that has? I mean, what does it say

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Speaker 2: I mean high heels have joined the chat, haven't they?

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Speaker 3: High heels are a massive one. I don't understand them.

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Speaker 2: But also bleaching you here, I've bleached my heir to

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Speaker 2: the point where we've had ball patches coming. Let's look terrible.

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Speaker 2: You know, we do crazy, crazy things. What's wrong with us?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? That has got to be your fascinating Chad. After

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Speaker 3: three o'clock. After two o'clock, Matt Heath has a rant.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a long rant. It's a long rant. At

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Speaker 2: what time I doing that? Two o'clock, two o'clock. So

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Speaker 2: I watched this Complete History of Humanity video, And you know,

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Speaker 2: I've read a bunch of history of humanity in my life.

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Speaker 2: It's long.

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Speaker 3: I've heard this rant.

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Speaker 2: It's long.

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Speaker 3: It is long. We can't cut it by a couple

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Speaker 2: That's there's some sort of fever sweat dreams in the

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Speaker 2: It's all got to be there. And I just want

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Speaker 3: It's a hell of a rant.

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Speaker 2: It's a state of humanity address. It's not a state

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Speaker 3: It's a big one. That's after two o'clock. Then we'll

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Speaker 3: It is amazing. That's after two o'clock. But right now,

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Speaker 3: let's have a chat about malatonin and zoppo clones. So

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Speaker 3: Kii Rail they've banned around two thousy five hundred of

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Speaker 2: I mean, zoperclone is quite full on. But malatonin get

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Speaker 2: eight hours. Have some bloody empathy for your shift workers.

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Speaker 2: Who is this Doctor Simon Ryder Lewis, occupational medicine physician.

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Speaker 2: The decision was based on advice from its chief medical officer,

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Speaker 2: doctor Simon Righter. Lewis obviously doesn't work shift ours, otherwise

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Speaker 2: he wouldn't think that banning malatonin was a good idea.

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Speaker 2: so you how have you dealt with your sleep work?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean so shift work. Night shift work is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, as I say, I don't know about

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Speaker 2: zopper clone. I'd like to hear from people that try

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Speaker 2: and get sleep with sopperclone. I don't think that's a

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Speaker 2: become dependent on anything. No, but if you need to

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Speaker 2: then I don't think malatonin is I don't know nothing

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Speaker 2: do we really need to worry about malatonin?

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Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to

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Speaker 3: get that balance right? Really can to have a chat

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Speaker 3: with you. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is

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Speaker 2: And if you want to borrow some I smuggled heapspeck

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Speaker 3: You keep that quiet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got some one in now. But now Seamo

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Speaker 2: has made it legal and across the count, isn't.

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Speaker 3: He yeah, right, it is twelve past one. Back with

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and

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Speaker 1: everything in between.

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Speaker 7: Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons used talks, they'd.

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Speaker 3: Be very good. Afternoon. We're talking about malatonin and also

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Speaker 3: Zoppo clone. So Kiwi Rail, according to advice they've received,

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Speaker 3: have told over twoy five hundred of its workers who

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Speaker 3: are in sensitive safety positions that they cannot have malatonin

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Speaker 3: and zopper clone. If they are found out to have

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Speaker 3: operate machinery, they will be stood down.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting to work out how you know that someone's

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Speaker 2: had malatonin. As this person points out, malatone is a

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Speaker 2: naturally occurring hormone. Qui Rail's policy would mean that the

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Speaker 2: entire workforce would be stood down. In most cases, the

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Speaker 2: added hormone has dispersed within three hours. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 2: everyone's saying that definitely out of your system in eight hours.

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Speaker 2: But malatonin is just it just works in the penal gland, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: from what I understand, it created in the penal gland,

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Speaker 2: so it's created within you. And I think if you

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Speaker 2: take malatonin pills. You're just adding to that situation, aren't you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. We will be talking to doctor Alex Bartel a

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So darkness triggers malatonin, right when light fades and

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Speaker 2: I'm just looking us here in your pathway from the

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Speaker 2: acid tripped enough in serotonin into melatonin.

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Speaker 3: Right, So you go, so naturally occurring. How do you

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Speaker 3: test for that? That's a good question.

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Speaker 2: And the pills, the pills just dissolve in your stomach

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Speaker 2: and then they're into the brain, so you're just sort

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Speaker 2: of getting it, getting it going. And I guess that's

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Speaker 2: why shift workers want to use it, because they're often

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Speaker 2: trying to sleep in the day when the darkness is

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Speaker 2: hard to come by and the penal gland is not

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Speaker 2: naturally making the melatonin you need to sleep.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I would have thought having someone that's well

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Speaker 3: rested with the use of something like malatonin would be

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Speaker 3: far more preferable to having a worker turn up who

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Speaker 3: can you hear your views?

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Speaker 2: The sex said, I have a feeling that smuggling heaps

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Speaker 2: of malatonin New Zealand might be illegal. Wow, maybe it was?

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Speaker 3: Who did that me? Oh? Did you well?

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Speaker 2: Whenever I'm over in the States, always bite some in

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Speaker 2: the past. Yeah, to back and try to sell it off. No,

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Speaker 2: I don't try and sell it off. Then try and

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Speaker 2: sell it off.

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Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

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Speaker 3: to call. I'll tell you what. We'll play some messages

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Speaker 3: and then come back because I'll tell you what I've done.

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Speaker 2: What you doing?

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Speaker 3: I've got us in the wrong phone sitting Ah, So

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Speaker 2: Did you get enough sleep last night?

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Speaker 8: The government is considering encouraging domestic production of fuel.

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Speaker 3: A new report.

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Speaker 8: Suggests setting up special economic zones to do that. Shane

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Speaker 9: Obviously hailing from Lausland. I think one would be good

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Speaker 1: Heather du Pusyellen on the Mike casting Breakfast back tomorrow

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Speaker 3: Twenty one pass through, and we are talking about the

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Speaker 2: But there you go.

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Speaker 3: I was just going to say, if you're a night

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Speaker 2: It seems odd to me to lump melatonin and zopperclone together.

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Speaker 2: They're very different things. As everyone keeps saying, melatonin is

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Speaker 2: naturally forming in your pennial gland because it again your

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Speaker 3: There's any melotonin in the teaching plan. I mean, there

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Speaker 3: Wow, this is an important subject, right. Oh, one hundred

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Speaker 2: Welcome to show, Campbell.

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Speaker 10: Good, how are you going?

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Speaker 2: Very good? You're a shift worker?

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Speaker 10: Yes, yes, over in Australia. I so do weekdays, weekend

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Speaker 10: nights and yeah for those nights, I'd love some melotone

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Speaker 10: like yet pretty pretty naked on the night shift?

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Speaker 2: Yes so? And how often are you working night ships?

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Speaker 2: What's what's what's your rotation? Campbell?

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Speaker 10: So I work two weeks and I have a week

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Speaker 2: And how hard do you find it to get to

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Speaker 10: Oh, it's pretty challenging sometimes, you know, especially you know

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Speaker 10: It does take your body, Yeah, a little bit to

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Speaker 2: Your living arrangements if you don't mind me asking, do

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Speaker 2: you have do your flatmates, family? That kind of thing?

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Speaker 10: So I actually fly up to the middle of the

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, because I mean that's that's the tough thing.

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Speaker 2: When other people are living the normal shift of life

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Speaker 2: hard to work around that, isn't it.

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Speaker 10: Oh yeah, one hundred percent. That's a bit challenging, but

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Speaker 10: it certainly worth it.

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Speaker 2: What's your current plan? Are you running blackout curtains or

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Speaker 2: anything like that? Campbell?

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Speaker 10: So the camp I work as they do have blackout curtains,

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Speaker 10: which is good. That's still light always finds a way in.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, And I take it Campbell. If you're not

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Speaker 3: working in that camp, does your employers have any issue

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Speaker 10: Well, melatonin, you can't get it at least you're fifty

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Speaker 10: I think you don't have a REM cycle. You just

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, if you find that that tightness can affect

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Speaker 2: your your work at all, Campbell, if you've experienced that

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Speaker 2: but I'm also not getting any sleep and as a result,

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Speaker 10: They're pretty good at on it, Like if you are,

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Speaker 10: you know, I just stay in this room for a

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Speaker 3: Everywhere, so just to row back quickly. So you do

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Speaker 10: Correct?

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Speaker 3: It feels like quite a crazy way to work, Campbell.

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Speaker 3: I would have thought it would be that you do

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Speaker 3: two weeks on the night shift. That would be better

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Speaker 10: It would be a lot better for the body. But

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Speaker 10: you work your days, come back, have your six days off,

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Speaker 10: then going to night's right, but it's just yeah, the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh well, let's get this guy some some melatonin

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Speaker 2: for his pineal ground planned.

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Speaker 3: Nicely done. You sound like a medical.

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Speaker 2: Professional pineal gland. How you pronounce that, Tyler.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, correctly, we do. We do right on this program,

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Speaker 3: not penal. Thank you very much, Campbell and all the

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Speaker 3: best over there.

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Speaker 11: Mate.

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Speaker 3: Nice to hear from you. Sandra. You're a shift worker

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Speaker 3: and you use some of these medications to get a

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Speaker 13: Yeah, that's correct.

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Speaker 3: And what ones do you use? Malatonin or is it

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Speaker 3: the zopper Clone? I use the sopper clone every night.

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Speaker 13: But only No, I'm lucky enough I only need to

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Speaker 13: use it maybe once once a month, twice a month max.

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Speaker 13: It's more for those turnover times when you're coming off

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Speaker 13: an early start. You've got to get up at three

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Speaker 13: I'm tired enough that I don't need it. Other times

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Speaker 13: you wake up at about past one, heavy lam going

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Speaker 13: gone off, and I've slept through it. So by time

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Speaker 13: you actually have to get up at three o'clock, you

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Speaker 13: did wake most of the night.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so at least with.

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Speaker 13: A zyper clone, I'm guaranteed five hours sleep. I take

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Speaker 13: it to at least six hours before I go to bed,

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Speaker 13: that you kind of need every day.

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Speaker 2: Do you get the metallic taste in your mouth Sundra

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Speaker 2: that some people get with the Zoppo Clone.

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Speaker 13: I've learned to drop it right down the back of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Because every time I've taken Zopper Clone, and I

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Speaker 2: used to take it when I was flying a lot,

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Speaker 2: I'd wake up with incredibly dry mouth. It's horrific metal,

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Speaker 2: It was a very strange kind of sleep. You'd been

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Speaker 13: I only need to ever take it half? Yeah, you

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Speaker 13: And I feel better if I have it than what

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Speaker 13: I would if I've only had three hours sleep.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's that's I guess.

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Speaker 13: That an eight hour shift after three hours hour of sleep,

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Speaker 2: Do you get the stress because if I've got something

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Speaker 2: there going You've got to sleep?

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Speaker 11: What are you doing?

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Speaker 2: You got to sleep? This is disaster, absolutely, And I

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Speaker 2: you're not asleep, isn't it?

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Speaker 13: Yeah? Yeah, I next what I say, I take it

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Speaker 13: an hour before I go to bed, because I'll know

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Speaker 13: that I'm not going to sleep that that particular day

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Speaker 13: or night. I'll take it an hour before I go

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Speaker 13: to sleep. Like I say, I'm out for five hours.

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Speaker 3: You don't get any of the memory issues sometimes associated

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Speaker 3: was Zoppa clone, Sandra. I hear stories of people that

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Speaker 3: use sopper Clone and they might send a text late

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Speaker 13: No, I'm too visy sleeping my memory issues when I

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Speaker 13: haven't had enough sleep, and no sort of struggle after that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what about Malatona and Sundra? Is Melantona do anything

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Speaker 2: for you?

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Speaker 13: I got prescribed at once and I bought it home.

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Speaker 13: It's only two Mili brands, so I mean, really, what's

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Speaker 13: that going to do for me?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure what you need to make it.

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Speaker 2: I think you can have it up to ten milligrams,

447
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Speaker 2: can't you.

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Speaker 13: I don't know if we can get that here. I'm

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Speaker 13: not one hundred percent sure. Yeah, but it's more than

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Speaker 13: like I say, it's more that first first night for

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Speaker 13: me coming back on to early is that I struggle with.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, good on, you keep up the good fight, Sandra,

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Speaker 2: and thanks for calling.

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Speaker 13: Have a good day.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, get some sleep. That is Sundra and we can

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Speaker 3: you hear from you. On eight hundred and eighteen.

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Speaker 2: Eighty, I had an incident on a plane with a

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Speaker 2: bottle of champagne, some zopper clone and the Hollywood actor

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Speaker 2: Carlo barr Once.

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Speaker 3: Do you want to hold that thought hold that this

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Speaker 3: is the sounds like a doozy of the story. I'm

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Speaker 3: not believe you should tell this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure I'll tell that story.

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Speaker 9: I'm not.

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Speaker 3: Oh, you've got to tell this story. This is going

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Speaker 3: to be a doozy, right it is bang on half

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Speaker 3: past one coming up, met is going to share a

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Speaker 3: story about champagne, col urban and zopper clone and we're

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Speaker 3: also going to have a chattoo. Doctor Alex Bard or

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Speaker 3: he is a sleep expert, so we'll get his thoughts

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Speaker 3: on the use of malatonin and zopper clone as well.

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Speaker 3: Bang on half past one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and tell us how you deal with shift work,

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Speaker 2: if you're dealing with it or if you have, we'd

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Speaker 2: love to hear from your izo hundred and eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 14: to matt Ethan Tyler Addams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Raylean. So, doctor Alex Bartle is

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Speaker 3: one of the foremost experts in sleep in this country.

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Speaker 3: He runs the Sleepwell Clinic and he joins us on

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Speaker 3: the line now, doctor Bartle, good afternoon.

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Speaker 15: Good afternoon, Good to talk, good to talk to you.

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Speaker 2: In simple terms, what does working night or rotating shifts

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Speaker 2: do to the body's circadian rhythms? The Cicadian clock? And

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Speaker 2: see what is the Cicadian clock. Let's go to base well.

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Speaker 15: Circadian clock is based on the light and the dark,

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Speaker 15: which for thousands of years has been sort of twelve

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Speaker 15: years to twelve hours day, twelve hours night. And we've

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Speaker 15: mucked around with that in that we now live in

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Speaker 15: an environment where we change our day and night so

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Speaker 15: much so light suppresses melatonin and starts producing cortisol, and

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Speaker 15: that wakes us up, gets us going during the day,

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Speaker 15: and at nighttime when he gets dark, we produce melatonin

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Speaker 15: that reduces the ability to stay awake and we fall asleep.

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Speaker 15: And so when you start doing shift work, you're trying

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Speaker 15: to sleep when you should be awake, and you're trying

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Speaker 15: to be awake when you should be asleep. So it

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Speaker 15: does it's very difficult. Nobody really puts up with Cicadian

517
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Speaker 15: rhythm dysfunction for too long. It's always it's difficult to

518
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Speaker 15: sleep and difficult to stay away during the night.

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Speaker 2: And so can that just be solved as simply as

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Speaker 2: blackout curtains or eye masks and you know, ear plugs.

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Speaker 15: No question, if you come home in the morning and

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Speaker 15: it's daylight, keeping the place dark and wearing sunglasses on

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Speaker 15: the way home, for example, to block the light keep

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Speaker 15: it dark during the night during the day will help.

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Speaker 15: But the problem is that, you know, if you were

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Speaker 15: doing three or four weeks of night shift and just

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Speaker 15: spending nightshivity, you would soon train your Cicadian rhythm to

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Speaker 15: a night shift phase. But we don't do that. We

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Speaker 15: tend to spend you know, three or four nights maybe

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Speaker 15: on night shift, and then we go on to day shift,

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Speaker 15: or we have the weekends off, which means we go

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Speaker 15: back to a normal rhythm, and so it's just swapping

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Speaker 15: backwards and forwards. That's actually the difficult part of it.

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Speaker 2: And how quickly does this sort of I guess you'd

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Speaker 2: call it sleep debt build up in terms of shift work.

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Speaker 2: So if you're losing your sleep, how quickly does that

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Speaker 2: start to affect your performance?

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Speaker 15: Well, I mean even after one it's not going to

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Speaker 15: be quite as good as it would have been otherwise.

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Speaker 15: And in fact, the best sort of shifts are those

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Speaker 15: these days that are in and out of night shift

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Speaker 15: very quickly. For example, the police often run a twelve

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Speaker 15: hour shift, so they'll do twelve hours day and a

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Speaker 15: twelve hours night, but they do two nights, two days

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Speaker 15: and four off. That's not bad. They get their hours

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Speaker 15: in okay, enough for a week's work, but they are

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Speaker 15: only doing two nights and then they're on to four

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Speaker 15: days off, which is probably way to go.

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Speaker 3: So, doctor, what's your thoughts about malotonin? It will soon

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Speaker 3: be sold over the counter without requiring a prescription. Were

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Speaker 3: you in favor of that when it's ann when it

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Speaker 3: was announced and is it a good way for night

553
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Speaker 3: shift workers to get some shut eye if they haven't

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Speaker 3: been sleeping well for a good week.

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Speaker 15: It's probably nothing like as effective as keeping the room

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Speaker 15: dark and quiet and making sure that they're not working

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Speaker 15: during the day. It's not it works space. They're going

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Speaker 15: to have very low dose of melatonin anyway. Even the Cicadan,

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Speaker 15: the two milligram slow release products, even the manufacturers of

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Speaker 15: that initially said it didn't make any difference under fifty

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Speaker 15: five year olds. So it's a very weak it's not

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Speaker 15: really a sleeping pill. It's not a sleeping pill, and

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Speaker 15: you know, jet lag maybe for people who are pilots

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Speaker 15: or aircrew occasionally use it, but it's not that effective.

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Speaker 15: The most important part is light and dark. As I

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Speaker 15: said right at the beginning, that's the most powerful in

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Speaker 15: train of our circadian rhythm. Zopiclone, on the other hand,

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Speaker 15: which is the other pill that's been mentioned, is a

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Speaker 15: proper sleeping pill. And if you take that too close

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Speaker 15: to actually going to do some safety critical work, that's

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Speaker 15: probably not a good idea. But again, it has an

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Speaker 15: active life for what's called a half life of about

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Speaker 15: six hours, and so if you take it when you

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Speaker 15: want to go to sleep at sort of seven in

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Speaker 15: the morning, eight in the morning when you get home.

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Speaker 15: By the time you go to work at ten o'clock

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Speaker 15: at night, it's going to be well out of the

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Speaker 15: system by then. So again it's quite a short acting

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Speaker 15: but a good sleeping pill.

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Speaker 2: So if it's if malatonin pills are quite weak. Were

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Speaker 2: you surprised that that Kiwi Rols put this ban on

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Speaker 2: the use of melatonin?

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Speaker 15: Yes, I am, indeed. In fact, that's probably why the

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Speaker 15: government we're quite happy to put it onto open open

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Speaker 15: buying through pharmacies because really it's more placebo response rather

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Speaker 15: than that fantastically chemical response.

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Speaker 2: Because I think I think this is the case because

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Speaker 2: I've taken the malatonin a lot when I've been in

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Speaker 2: the States, and I found it very effective. But I

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Speaker 2: just wonder if that's because you just let yourself off

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Speaker 2: the hock. You know, you need to get some sleep,

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Speaker 2: because you know the day and you take the pearl

593
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Speaker 2: and you've pulled the curtains in your hotel room and

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Speaker 2: then you're just calm, you know, as you say, your

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Speaker 2: your corsole lever's lower and you go to sleep.

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Speaker 15: I think that's a lot to do with it. And

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Speaker 15: also of course, when we're traveling a lot of the time,

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Speaker 15: we spend more time outside during the day, and outside

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Speaker 15: light is the most powerful and trainer. If you like

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Speaker 15: about circadian rooms, you know, if you go to the UK,

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Speaker 15: for example, the best thing you can do is spend

602
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Speaker 15: the first few days outside as much as you can,

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Speaker 15: and that will most quickly and train you so you

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Speaker 15: can start sleeping at night and being awake during the day.

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Speaker 15: It's the light dark cycle that makes a huge difference.

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Speaker 3: Would there be a worry doctor? And I note in

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Speaker 3: this story that it mentioned some of the workers had

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Speaker 3: been used in the likes of zoppoclone for years. For you,

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Speaker 3: as a sleep expert and a doctor, would that give

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Speaker 3: you cause for concern if someone who's using it on

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Speaker 3: a regular basis for that long.

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Speaker 15: Well yes I would. And the most concerning part is

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Speaker 15: if you're starting to need more and more of it,

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Speaker 15: which is so commonly happens. You start with half does

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Speaker 15: the job, and then you need one, and then you

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Speaker 15: need one and a half. That's the problem. People who

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Speaker 15: perhaps in their seventies or eighties, have been taking it

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Speaker 15: for decades and they take half a TI pill every night.

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Speaker 15: I've got no problem with that. It's not ideal, but

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Speaker 15: I'm not going to suddenly jump up and down about that.

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Speaker 15: But if you're a twenty year old and needing to zoppocla,

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Speaker 15: and there are many other ways in which we need

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Speaker 15: to get their sleep sorted out rather than taking zopoclone,

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Speaker 15: what do.

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Speaker 2: We know about the type of sleep you get on

626
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Speaker 2: the likes of zopoclone or what's the other one, dimezepan

627
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Speaker 2: is That might have said that wrong, because when I

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Speaker 2: take it, I feel like, you know, I've been knocked out,

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Speaker 2: but generally wake up with a horrible metallic taste in

630
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Speaker 2: my mouth, in credibly dry mouth, and feel sort of odd,

631
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Speaker 2: kind of like my brain's been erased as opposed to

632
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Speaker 2: have been refreshed, if you know what I mean.

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Speaker 15: Yes, I mean it does have different effects on different people,

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Speaker 15: but the majority, not all, but the majority of people

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00:28:42,733 --> 00:28:45,253
Speaker 15: do get this metallic taste in the mouth. That's pretty common.

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Speaker 15: But you know, many people wake up in the morning

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Speaker 15: after zopoclone to feel fired in the morning. But there's

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Speaker 15: certain number of people yourself included. Obviously, it does have

639
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Speaker 15: a hangover sort of effect in terms of quality of sleep.

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Speaker 15: The zopoclone probably doesn't. There is a non benzodiazepin, so

641
00:29:02,693 --> 00:29:05,493
Speaker 15: it doesn't have some of the effects of diazepin, which

642
00:29:05,533 --> 00:29:08,973
Speaker 15: is a benzodiazepin. So in terms of impacting on sleep,

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Speaker 15: it doesn't impact greatly. It does reduce the amount of

644
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Speaker 15: ram and non rem sleep you have to some degree,

645
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Speaker 15: so your sleep isn't going to be quite as good

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Speaker 15: with any medication. But Zoppaton is probably the safest of

647
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Speaker 15: all the sleeping to two pills, but only I've taken

648
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Speaker 15: just occasionally for emergency.

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Speaker 7: You might say, if we.

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Speaker 2: Flip this around and get from trying to go to

651
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Speaker 2: sleep to waking up, you say that natural light is

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Speaker 2: the best way. I was telling my partner because she

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Speaker 2: was saying she's feeling very sleepy. I said, try looking

654
00:29:40,853 --> 00:29:44,493
Speaker 2: up at lights. So do electric lights work as well

655
00:29:44,733 --> 00:29:47,013
Speaker 2: as as the sun for waking you up.

656
00:29:48,213 --> 00:29:50,933
Speaker 15: Don't look at the light, don't look at the sun. No,

657
00:29:51,533 --> 00:29:55,853
Speaker 15: just generally ambient light in rooms less than a thousand lucks,

658
00:29:55,973 --> 00:29:59,133
Speaker 15: you know, lux measure of light, so something like in

659
00:29:59,493 --> 00:30:02,573
Speaker 15: my office here it's something like six or seven hundred lucks,

660
00:30:02,573 --> 00:30:06,653
Speaker 15: which I think is pretty average. Outside is completely different.

661
00:30:07,093 --> 00:30:10,093
Speaker 15: In the Auckland moment and sort of variously sunny and

662
00:30:10,093 --> 00:30:13,053
Speaker 15: a bit cloudy. It's probably something like sixty to seventy

663
00:30:13,173 --> 00:30:16,533
Speaker 15: thousand lucks. It's completely different outside, and that's what our

664
00:30:16,533 --> 00:30:19,813
Speaker 15: brain is for thousands of years. In the middle of summer,

665
00:30:19,853 --> 00:30:21,413
Speaker 15: it might go up to even to eighty to one

666
00:30:21,453 --> 00:30:24,053
Speaker 15: hundred thousand lucks. That's what our brains. What our brains

667
00:30:24,093 --> 00:30:26,933
Speaker 15: haven't been used in the past is glare. So when

668
00:30:26,973 --> 00:30:29,973
Speaker 15: we need to wear some protection, possibly is where it's clary,

669
00:30:30,053 --> 00:30:34,853
Speaker 15: so tilts, our buildings, concrete slabs, tarmacadam roads. What we

670
00:30:34,933 --> 00:30:37,653
Speaker 15: need where you go outside, which is much better for us,

671
00:30:37,773 --> 00:30:41,373
Speaker 15: is shaded blue, green life. She's going to walk through

672
00:30:41,373 --> 00:30:44,813
Speaker 15: the local park or gardens, No shaded, don't look at

673
00:30:44,813 --> 00:30:48,533
Speaker 15: the sun. But just being outside the light is completely different,

674
00:30:49,533 --> 00:30:52,293
Speaker 15: and it's a particularly game for the walk to you know,

675
00:30:52,453 --> 00:30:56,053
Speaker 15: green blue environment, which is our natural environmental colors. Anyway,

676
00:30:56,573 --> 00:31:02,253
Speaker 15: that's what suppresses melatonin, wakes us up and starts producing serotonin,

677
00:31:02,453 --> 00:31:05,413
Speaker 15: which makes us feel good. And the more serotonin we've

678
00:31:05,413 --> 00:31:08,733
Speaker 15: produced during the day by spending more time outside, that

679
00:31:08,813 --> 00:31:12,333
Speaker 15: converts to melotonin. So the more serotonin produced during the day,

680
00:31:12,693 --> 00:31:15,053
Speaker 15: the more melatonin it converts to at night and helps

681
00:31:15,133 --> 00:31:17,853
Speaker 15: us sleep. So when your mum said to you, you

682
00:31:17,893 --> 00:31:19,613
Speaker 15: know you've been out camping or tramping for a day,

683
00:31:19,653 --> 00:31:21,413
Speaker 15: or your sleep well might do because you've had lots

684
00:31:21,413 --> 00:31:23,693
Speaker 15: of fresh air. It's nothing to do with the air,

685
00:31:23,893 --> 00:31:25,293
Speaker 15: to do with low interesting.

686
00:31:25,373 --> 00:31:27,653
Speaker 2: And so in the modern world, if say you work

687
00:31:27,653 --> 00:31:30,733
Speaker 2: in an office, you're working inside, then you should you know.

688
00:31:30,773 --> 00:31:32,333
Speaker 2: And some of us get up when it's still dark,

689
00:31:32,373 --> 00:31:34,093
Speaker 2: and we drive to work when it's pretty much dark,

690
00:31:34,093 --> 00:31:36,013
Speaker 2: and we go straight inside, and then we wonder why

691
00:31:36,053 --> 00:31:38,973
Speaker 2: we're so sleepy. What we need to try and do

692
00:31:39,133 --> 00:31:42,693
Speaker 2: is find would five ten minutes walk outside and the

693
00:31:42,813 --> 00:31:47,093
Speaker 2: natural light be enough to sort of get you serotoning

694
00:31:47,293 --> 00:31:48,613
Speaker 2: and melotonin and down.

695
00:31:49,213 --> 00:31:52,333
Speaker 15: Yes, five or ten minutes is better than nothing. We

696
00:31:52,493 --> 00:31:54,973
Speaker 15: usually suggest half an hour would be a great time

697
00:31:55,093 --> 00:31:56,773
Speaker 15: to do that, and of course the more the better,

698
00:31:57,493 --> 00:32:00,293
Speaker 15: but half an hour is probably what we would usually recommend.

699
00:32:00,653 --> 00:32:02,493
Speaker 15: But as I say, if you can manage five or

700
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Speaker 15: ten minutes outside in a shaded, blue green environment that

701
00:32:06,853 --> 00:32:08,933
Speaker 15: side of just go for a walk through the local

702
00:32:08,973 --> 00:32:11,373
Speaker 15: park or whatever. If you can walk to work or

703
00:32:11,613 --> 00:32:13,573
Speaker 15: spend a bit of time outside, then you're quite right.

704
00:32:13,613 --> 00:32:17,773
Speaker 15: With many people, particularly in winter go from their house

705
00:32:17,813 --> 00:32:20,093
Speaker 15: into their car, which is in infecting doors, into their

706
00:32:20,133 --> 00:32:22,533
Speaker 15: office as I do. I mean, I'm in an office

707
00:32:22,573 --> 00:32:24,933
Speaker 15: at the moment, and it's in this relatively dim light.

708
00:32:24,973 --> 00:32:27,613
Speaker 15: We don't think it's dim, but it feel but it

709
00:32:27,653 --> 00:32:30,013
Speaker 15: is actually much dimmer. And I tried to get out.

710
00:32:30,013 --> 00:32:31,613
Speaker 15: I've just been out of the lunch time, so I've

711
00:32:31,693 --> 00:32:34,053
Speaker 15: just went for a walk. This at lunchtime, which is

712
00:32:34,093 --> 00:32:37,653
Speaker 15: the main time I can get outside. So summer's better

713
00:32:37,693 --> 00:32:42,373
Speaker 15: for that, but nonetheless spending bit of time outside really

714
00:32:42,413 --> 00:32:44,013
Speaker 15: helpful in shaded light.

715
00:32:44,533 --> 00:32:47,093
Speaker 2: Wow, thank you so much. It's very very interesting. We've

716
00:32:47,093 --> 00:32:49,173
Speaker 2: gone for ages, but we've got to go. But yeah,

717
00:32:49,173 --> 00:32:51,533
Speaker 2: thank you so much for that. There was a great chat,

718
00:32:52,373 --> 00:32:52,893
Speaker 2: no trouble.

719
00:32:53,173 --> 00:32:54,013
Speaker 15: Thank you very anytime.

720
00:32:54,133 --> 00:32:56,613
Speaker 3: Thank you very much. That is doctor Alex Bart, one

721
00:32:56,653 --> 00:32:58,693
Speaker 3: of the foremost experts in sleep in New Zealandy runs

722
00:32:58,693 --> 00:33:01,373
Speaker 3: Asleep Well Clinic, and I imagine he's been incredibly busy

723
00:33:01,413 --> 00:33:03,613
Speaker 3: over the past couple of years. Sleeps that's a major thing.

724
00:33:03,973 --> 00:33:05,293
Speaker 3: But we ken to hear from you. We're going to

725
00:33:05,333 --> 00:33:07,173
Speaker 3: pick this back up. I won one hundred and eighteen eighty.

726
00:33:07,213 --> 00:33:09,693
Speaker 3: If you're a shift work, have you relied on the

727
00:33:09,813 --> 00:33:12,653
Speaker 3: likes of Zopper Clone or Melantonin for that matter. This

728
00:33:12,733 --> 00:33:15,733
Speaker 3: is after Kiwi Rail decided to ban its workers using

729
00:33:15,773 --> 00:33:19,173
Speaker 3: those drugs, saying that it could affect them the next stuff.

730
00:33:19,173 --> 00:33:21,773
Speaker 3: They are operating heavy machinery, so can never chat with you.

731
00:33:21,773 --> 00:33:25,413
Speaker 2: And I have decided to share my flight into Los

732
00:33:25,453 --> 00:33:27,973
Speaker 2: Angeles or the bottle of champagne and this Zopper Clone

733
00:33:27,973 --> 00:33:29,933
Speaker 2: and Carlo barn incident.

734
00:33:30,213 --> 00:33:32,693
Speaker 3: Yes, that's coming up. It is good to two.

735
00:33:33,053 --> 00:33:34,653
Speaker 2: You can't stop me now, so good.

736
00:33:35,853 --> 00:33:39,133
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, to the big trends

737
00:33:39,173 --> 00:33:40,533
Speaker 1: and everything in between.

738
00:33:40,733 --> 00:33:43,653
Speaker 7: Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons used talks.

739
00:33:43,693 --> 00:33:47,213
Speaker 3: That'd be good afternoon. Stand by for Matt's carl Urbarnes

740
00:33:47,293 --> 00:33:49,213
Speaker 3: story that is coming up. But we're a little bit late,

741
00:33:49,253 --> 00:33:51,213
Speaker 3: so let's go and have a check to Glenn. Get

742
00:33:51,213 --> 00:33:51,933
Speaker 3: a Glenn.

743
00:33:53,053 --> 00:33:59,333
Speaker 6: Tyler A Matt just on the in New Zealand rail

744
00:33:59,413 --> 00:34:00,173
Speaker 6: decision or.

745
00:34:01,653 --> 00:34:01,853
Speaker 15: You know.

746
00:34:02,573 --> 00:34:04,933
Speaker 6: To be honest, I was a large employer for a

747
00:34:05,013 --> 00:34:08,413
Speaker 6: number of years. We had a number of shift work

748
00:34:08,533 --> 00:34:14,013
Speaker 6: is in our business and whilst we also had a

749
00:34:14,133 --> 00:34:18,253
Speaker 6: drug and real drug and alcohol rehabilitation process that was

750
00:34:18,293 --> 00:34:23,053
Speaker 6: more about illicit drugs but over the counter is really

751
00:34:23,093 --> 00:34:27,133
Speaker 6: not something that should be in the purview of the employer.

752
00:34:28,733 --> 00:34:33,693
Speaker 6: And even if if you know zychoplane or whatever it is,

753
00:34:33,733 --> 00:34:34,373
Speaker 6: the other one.

754
00:34:34,253 --> 00:34:34,533
Speaker 16: That that.

755
00:34:36,013 --> 00:34:40,813
Speaker 6: You've talked about, that that's my prescription only that's a

756
00:34:40,853 --> 00:34:44,253
Speaker 6: decision of a doctor to prescribe that to a patient

757
00:34:44,853 --> 00:34:48,373
Speaker 6: for their requirements, and that should have nothing to do

758
00:34:48,973 --> 00:34:51,453
Speaker 6: with the employment situation of that person. And I just

759
00:34:52,013 --> 00:34:54,893
Speaker 6: I can't understand where New zealandrail are coming from with us.

760
00:34:54,933 --> 00:34:56,013
Speaker 6: It's just nuts.

761
00:34:56,333 --> 00:34:58,493
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, in their defense, if they've got advice

762
00:34:58,733 --> 00:35:01,172
Speaker 2: from a chief medical officer in this case, I think

763
00:35:01,173 --> 00:35:05,973
Speaker 2: it's doctor Simon Ryder Lewis, then I guess they might

764
00:35:06,013 --> 00:35:09,652
Speaker 2: be an illegal, illegally dodgy position if they don't take

765
00:35:09,693 --> 00:35:12,733
Speaker 2: that advice. So they get that advice, maybe they have

766
00:35:12,813 --> 00:35:14,933
Speaker 2: to they maybe have to suspend it for a while

767
00:35:15,053 --> 00:35:18,013
Speaker 2: until they get better advice. I don't know. You'd probably

768
00:35:18,013 --> 00:35:19,733
Speaker 2: know more than I would on that, Glenn.

769
00:35:20,613 --> 00:35:24,333
Speaker 6: I mean, advice is advice. It's not a it's not

770
00:35:24,373 --> 00:35:29,253
Speaker 6: a compelling a compelling situation. They can take advice and

771
00:35:29,293 --> 00:35:32,333
Speaker 6: they can say, well, we've taken that advice, but we've

772
00:35:32,373 --> 00:35:36,213
Speaker 6: chosen to ignore that because it doesn't make any sense.

773
00:35:36,853 --> 00:35:41,212
Speaker 6: And the other thing is that as an employer, you've

774
00:35:41,253 --> 00:35:44,373
Speaker 6: got to be you've got to be thinking about the

775
00:35:44,413 --> 00:35:47,813
Speaker 6: well being of your employees and your team. And if

776
00:35:48,453 --> 00:35:51,373
Speaker 6: they're doing shift work, can they need malatonin for God's

777
00:35:51,413 --> 00:35:54,133
Speaker 6: take to get them to sleep, not that it apparently

778
00:35:54,213 --> 00:35:54,973
Speaker 6: doesn't have it long.

779
00:35:55,293 --> 00:35:56,652
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the money part of all this.

780
00:35:58,333 --> 00:36:01,933
Speaker 6: Then then so but yeah, you know it's the half life.

781
00:36:02,413 --> 00:36:05,333
Speaker 6: As the sleepy experts just pointed out, the half life

782
00:36:05,333 --> 00:36:07,773
Speaker 6: of these drugs is is going to be out of

783
00:36:07,813 --> 00:36:10,773
Speaker 6: their system before there due to do their next shift.

784
00:36:10,893 --> 00:36:12,773
Speaker 6: So what's the problem.

785
00:36:12,413 --> 00:36:13,813
Speaker 2: And as soon as you turn the lights on, it

786
00:36:13,853 --> 00:36:17,652
Speaker 2: starts getting created by your pineal gland. Anyway, So did

787
00:36:17,693 --> 00:36:20,133
Speaker 2: you when you were running when you had people on shift,

788
00:36:20,173 --> 00:36:22,733
Speaker 2: did you was there any advice you gave them or

789
00:36:22,813 --> 00:36:25,453
Speaker 2: was that something you talked about, you know, around how

790
00:36:25,453 --> 00:36:27,053
Speaker 2: people get to sleep or was that just left up

791
00:36:27,053 --> 00:36:27,893
Speaker 2: to their common sense?

792
00:36:28,173 --> 00:36:31,573
Speaker 6: Well, no, no, we talked to our people about trying

793
00:36:31,613 --> 00:36:34,813
Speaker 6: to ensure that when they were going home after after

794
00:36:34,853 --> 00:36:37,493
Speaker 6: they had worked, that they that they had some time

795
00:36:37,533 --> 00:36:40,653
Speaker 6: to wind down and then get get into a sleep rhythm.

796
00:36:40,813 --> 00:36:45,652
Speaker 6: Make sure they had a dark room, and you know

797
00:36:45,773 --> 00:36:49,652
Speaker 6: if they had problems with that. To start with that,

798
00:36:49,973 --> 00:36:52,613
Speaker 6: we were compassionate about how long it took them to

799
00:36:52,613 --> 00:36:56,133
Speaker 6: get into that routine. Our shift work or our late work.

800
00:36:56,533 --> 00:36:59,893
Speaker 6: Our late workers were actually fifty two weeks of the

801
00:36:59,973 --> 00:37:01,613
Speaker 6: year working nights.

802
00:37:02,453 --> 00:37:03,693
Speaker 11: Yeah, so they weren't.

803
00:37:03,813 --> 00:37:07,773
Speaker 6: Swapping in an out. Yeah, they were hard caught night workers.

804
00:37:07,853 --> 00:37:11,853
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, so sampires yeah.

805
00:37:11,973 --> 00:37:17,653
Speaker 6: Yeah, well yeah, not quite. I just don't get where

806
00:37:17,813 --> 00:37:20,413
Speaker 6: new Zellar are coming from it. And to me, it

807
00:37:20,573 --> 00:37:24,173
Speaker 6: just smacks of idiocy.

808
00:37:24,773 --> 00:37:26,652
Speaker 3: It's an overreach yere. It feels like you're so much

809
00:37:26,693 --> 00:37:27,172
Speaker 3: for your call.

810
00:37:27,213 --> 00:37:27,493
Speaker 2: Glenn.

811
00:37:27,573 --> 00:37:29,453
Speaker 3: Yeah, choos, Glenn. I mean I was going to say, there,

812
00:37:29,493 --> 00:37:32,173
Speaker 3: if someone's on tremado or codeine and they're going to

813
00:37:32,173 --> 00:37:35,333
Speaker 3: operate heavy machinery, but then, of course your doctor is

814
00:37:35,333 --> 00:37:36,933
Speaker 3: going to give you that information. So you listen to

815
00:37:36,933 --> 00:37:39,013
Speaker 3: your own doctor. And the last time they gave me

816
00:37:39,013 --> 00:37:41,212
Speaker 3: a bit of zoppo clone and not one point did

817
00:37:41,213 --> 00:37:42,893
Speaker 3: the doctor say, hey, now make sure you don't drive

818
00:37:42,893 --> 00:37:44,652
Speaker 3: a digger the next day. It wasn't a problem because

819
00:37:44,653 --> 00:37:46,493
Speaker 3: it's out of your system by the n Yeah.

820
00:37:46,533 --> 00:37:49,813
Speaker 2: But equally, mate, try driving a digger on half an

821
00:37:49,853 --> 00:37:53,293
Speaker 2: hour sleep. Yeah, you know, with no chemicals and vaults. Yeah,

822
00:37:53,333 --> 00:37:54,933
Speaker 2: that's not going to go well, that's not great as it.

823
00:37:55,013 --> 00:37:56,893
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, going to play some messages bag very shortly.

824
00:37:56,933 --> 00:37:57,853
Speaker 3: It is eight to two.

825
00:37:59,213 --> 00:38:02,773
Speaker 1: Matd Heath Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

826
00:38:02,853 --> 00:38:06,853
Speaker 1: eighty eight. It's Mad Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talks.

827
00:38:08,853 --> 00:38:11,853
Speaker 3: Very good afternoon to you. It is five to two

828
00:38:12,533 --> 00:38:15,533
Speaker 3: and we have been talking about malatonin and zupper clone.

829
00:38:15,573 --> 00:38:17,853
Speaker 3: If you're a shift worker one hundred and eighty ten

830
00:38:17,853 --> 00:38:18,613
Speaker 3: eighties and number.

831
00:38:18,453 --> 00:38:22,053
Speaker 2: To call David. You are a shift worker, Yeah, but

832
00:38:22,573 --> 00:38:23,213
Speaker 2: the shift.

833
00:38:22,933 --> 00:38:25,893
Speaker 12: Worker who also a different shift patons actually, and.

834
00:38:25,893 --> 00:38:27,093
Speaker 2: How do you deal with that? How do you get

835
00:38:27,133 --> 00:38:27,573
Speaker 2: your sleeping?

836
00:38:29,093 --> 00:38:31,253
Speaker 12: Well, I'm a little bit different. I tried the malotonin thing,

837
00:38:31,293 --> 00:38:33,173
Speaker 12: and I just do coffee now and now before I

838
00:38:33,213 --> 00:38:35,253
Speaker 12: go to sleep, I'll get a bit of a higher coffee.

839
00:38:35,253 --> 00:38:37,373
Speaker 12: He do all the busy stuff and then just crash

840
00:38:37,413 --> 00:38:40,013
Speaker 12: out big time. Wow, before I get to sleep.

841
00:38:40,133 --> 00:38:42,453
Speaker 2: That's so interesting because that's that's that's the opposite of

842
00:38:42,493 --> 00:38:44,692
Speaker 2: what I guess nearly anyone would say to do. But

843
00:38:44,733 --> 00:38:45,413
Speaker 2: it works for you.

844
00:38:46,613 --> 00:38:49,533
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, it does. I've read about it. There's quite

845
00:38:49,533 --> 00:38:51,373
Speaker 12: a few people that actually do it on my shifts.

846
00:38:52,293 --> 00:38:55,252
Speaker 12: I did the malotonin thing for a little while there

847
00:38:55,293 --> 00:38:57,693
Speaker 12: and it was just a little bit too up and

848
00:38:57,733 --> 00:39:01,853
Speaker 12: downish to manage your sleep. So yeah, coffee seems to

849
00:39:02,573 --> 00:39:04,133
Speaker 12: be my little flavor of choice.

850
00:39:04,373 --> 00:39:07,973
Speaker 2: Wow, that that's really that's reallliant interesting and so and

851
00:39:08,013 --> 00:39:12,533
Speaker 2: you get now you're getting seven hours in, yeah, easily.

852
00:39:12,613 --> 00:39:15,413
Speaker 12: So we do a three day, three night, three day

853
00:39:15,453 --> 00:39:18,173
Speaker 12: off shift, but quite often we get massed around in

854
00:39:18,173 --> 00:39:21,333
Speaker 12: between days and stuff. So yeah, and as long as

855
00:39:21,333 --> 00:39:24,173
Speaker 12: you're planning it, manage it yourself and talking about it

856
00:39:24,613 --> 00:39:26,933
Speaker 12: different things. But yeah, do you go.

857
00:39:27,053 --> 00:39:28,413
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for you call David. So we've

858
00:39:28,413 --> 00:39:29,733
Speaker 2: got to go because we're running out of time. But

859
00:39:29,893 --> 00:39:31,453
Speaker 2: there you go. There, flips it all on the head.

860
00:39:31,293 --> 00:39:33,453
Speaker 3: And espresso before bedtime. Hell of a strategy.

861
00:39:33,653 --> 00:39:33,893
Speaker 4: Yeah.

862
00:39:34,093 --> 00:39:37,053
Speaker 3: Now I haven't forgotten and the listeners haven't forgotten about

863
00:39:37,093 --> 00:39:40,693
Speaker 3: the story about Carl Urbaran and Zopper Clone and Champagne.

864
00:39:40,733 --> 00:39:43,453
Speaker 3: We're running it past legal as we speak, but we

865
00:39:43,493 --> 00:39:45,373
Speaker 3: are going to get to that coming up very shortly.

866
00:39:45,613 --> 00:39:47,693
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I'll share that in the next hour along

867
00:39:47,773 --> 00:39:48,573
Speaker 2: with my rant.

868
00:39:48,853 --> 00:39:51,053
Speaker 3: Looking forward to this rant. This is going to be great, A.

869
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Speaker 2: Long punishing rant on the state of humanity.

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00:39:53,453 --> 00:39:56,493
Speaker 3: Yeah, long powerful and that is coming up next. Stay

871
00:39:56,533 --> 00:39:59,293
Speaker 3: tuned for that. News Sport and weather on its way.

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Speaker 1: Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams

873
00:40:05,453 --> 00:40:07,253
Speaker 1: Afternoons News Talks.

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00:40:07,253 --> 00:40:11,652
Speaker 3: It'd be hello, welcome back into the program. Fantastic to

875
00:40:11,693 --> 00:40:15,133
Speaker 3: have your company. As always seeven past two. Now, just

876
00:40:15,253 --> 00:40:20,013
Speaker 3: before we get into met He's phenomenal rands where promises

877
00:40:20,053 --> 00:40:21,453
Speaker 3: were made about a story.

878
00:40:21,653 --> 00:40:24,253
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, so should we put the sleep chat to

879
00:40:24,253 --> 00:40:30,133
Speaker 2: bide story? Yeap, just because I promised it, you did,

880
00:40:30,253 --> 00:40:32,853
Speaker 2: you know, And it's not the greatest story of all time,

881
00:40:32,893 --> 00:40:33,773
Speaker 2: but I said I would tell it.

882
00:40:33,853 --> 00:40:34,613
Speaker 3: Over multiple rap.

883
00:40:35,613 --> 00:40:37,293
Speaker 2: There's a few people that want to hear There's at

884
00:40:37,373 --> 00:40:39,172
Speaker 2: least three people across the country that want to hear

885
00:40:39,173 --> 00:40:41,973
Speaker 2: the story. And that's enough. That's enough incentive for me

886
00:40:42,013 --> 00:40:45,293
Speaker 2: to meet to share the story. So I was flying

887
00:40:45,453 --> 00:40:49,212
Speaker 2: to the United States of America a few years back, yep,

888
00:40:49,773 --> 00:40:53,093
Speaker 2: and I was going over there to do some filming

889
00:40:54,013 --> 00:40:56,173
Speaker 2: on the Southern States of America.

890
00:40:56,253 --> 00:40:56,493
Speaker 3: Nice.

891
00:40:56,733 --> 00:40:59,173
Speaker 2: So I got on the plane and when I was

892
00:40:59,173 --> 00:41:01,293
Speaker 2: on the plane, I noticed my good friends Laura Mam

893
00:41:01,333 --> 00:41:01,893
Speaker 2: Goldrick was on.

894
00:41:01,893 --> 00:41:03,613
Speaker 3: The plane, great person, great New Zealander.

895
00:41:03,693 --> 00:41:06,293
Speaker 2: Yeah. Actually, I won't drag her into the story. Let's

896
00:41:06,293 --> 00:41:09,533
Speaker 2: pretend I didn't say that anyway, friend of mine. Let's

897
00:41:09,573 --> 00:41:11,652
Speaker 2: just call her Laura g. Now we'll call her el

898
00:41:11,973 --> 00:41:17,933
Speaker 2: mcgoldrooy smart she anyway, we got a bottle of champagne,

899
00:41:19,093 --> 00:41:22,293
Speaker 2: and she had a bottle of champagne, had a few drinks,

900
00:41:22,653 --> 00:41:24,813
Speaker 2: and then I got another bottle of champagne. And then

901
00:41:25,053 --> 00:41:27,933
Speaker 2: I took a few Zoppa clones to sleep, right, which

902
00:41:27,973 --> 00:41:31,573
Speaker 2: is exactly what you shouldn't do. Don't take it clearly, Seys,

903
00:41:32,093 --> 00:41:36,053
Speaker 2: do not take these with alcohol clearly. See it stated

904
00:41:36,133 --> 00:41:37,652
Speaker 2: you have to be an absolute more and to do this.

905
00:41:38,373 --> 00:41:42,493
Speaker 2: So anyway, I went to sleep, and then I wake

906
00:41:42,573 --> 00:41:48,693
Speaker 2: up in a bar in Memphis, and I'm just sitting

907
00:41:48,733 --> 00:41:50,812
Speaker 2: there and I turn around to everyone at the table,

908
00:41:50,853 --> 00:41:55,252
Speaker 2: I go, how did we get here? And they go,

909
00:41:55,853 --> 00:41:57,613
Speaker 2: what do you mean? How did we get here? And

910
00:41:57,653 --> 00:41:59,333
Speaker 2: I said, how did we get here? The last thing

911
00:41:59,373 --> 00:42:01,692
Speaker 2: I remember was on a plane. I didn't even see

912
00:42:01,693 --> 00:42:04,613
Speaker 2: you guys. And they said, oh my god, you haven't

913
00:42:04,653 --> 00:42:09,253
Speaker 2: said anything for quite some time. And and they said, okay,

914
00:42:09,253 --> 00:42:12,573
Speaker 2: do you remember going through customs at Los Angeles I

915
00:42:12,613 --> 00:42:15,493
Speaker 2: said no. Do you remember getting on the connecting flight

916
00:42:15,533 --> 00:42:19,813
Speaker 2: to fly down here? I said, no, connecting flight. I

917
00:42:19,813 --> 00:42:22,053
Speaker 2: didn't remember any of it. And then they said, do

918
00:42:22,093 --> 00:42:27,413
Speaker 2: you remember punishing Hollywood actor Carla Ubahn about your favorite

919
00:42:27,453 --> 00:42:34,013
Speaker 2: movie Dread? And I said, I met Carluba I said yes,

920
00:42:34,373 --> 00:42:36,733
Speaker 2: you were talking to him for ages, you wouldn't leave

921
00:42:36,773 --> 00:42:40,053
Speaker 2: him alone, and then you went silent, And now you're

922
00:42:40,053 --> 00:42:41,613
Speaker 2: just looking at us, going how did I get here?

923
00:42:41,653 --> 00:42:44,053
Speaker 3: That is an amazing story. That's the real life hangover.

924
00:42:44,173 --> 00:42:45,053
Speaker 3: That is fantastic.

925
00:42:45,413 --> 00:42:48,853
Speaker 2: So somehow that means must be quite a powerful drugs

926
00:42:48,973 --> 00:42:51,933
Speaker 2: drugs off the clone, because and we all know Champaign's

927
00:42:52,013 --> 00:42:55,772
Speaker 2: quite powerful. But it was the ability that I could

928
00:42:55,773 --> 00:42:58,813
Speaker 2: still function so enough to get my passport out and

929
00:42:58,893 --> 00:43:04,053
Speaker 2: get through customs, enough to not be thrown in a

930
00:43:04,173 --> 00:43:07,652
Speaker 2: cell or return to New Zealand, and enough to get

931
00:43:07,693 --> 00:43:11,613
Speaker 2: on in flight, and enough to punish a Hollywood actor

932
00:43:11,693 --> 00:43:13,453
Speaker 2: about one of his movies.

933
00:43:13,573 --> 00:43:16,133
Speaker 3: Great movie, by the way, Dread, nice fantastic movie.

934
00:43:16,373 --> 00:43:19,293
Speaker 2: But no memories were made until I was sitting in

935
00:43:19,333 --> 00:43:22,573
Speaker 2: a bar in a different city.

936
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Speaker 3: So quite quite possibly, zombie Matt where your brain has

937
00:43:26,333 --> 00:43:28,693
Speaker 3: gone to sleep is a more competent met than you

938
00:43:28,773 --> 00:43:29,853
Speaker 3: are in general life.

939
00:43:29,973 --> 00:43:32,373
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean I apparently I just slid through

940
00:43:32,773 --> 00:43:35,893
Speaker 2: customs in Los Angeles and they can be quite. They

941
00:43:35,893 --> 00:43:36,813
Speaker 2: can be quite.

942
00:43:37,293 --> 00:43:37,692
Speaker 3: I don't know.

943
00:43:38,093 --> 00:43:40,093
Speaker 2: They can ask some pretty difficult questions. I mean, they

944
00:43:40,093 --> 00:43:42,652
Speaker 2: definitely ask where you're staying in such I.

945
00:43:43,333 --> 00:43:45,293
Speaker 3: Know you spoke to Carl after that incident. Did he

946
00:43:45,333 --> 00:43:47,573
Speaker 3: ever mention? Did he ever say it was good?

947
00:43:47,653 --> 00:43:47,813
Speaker 5: Check?

948
00:43:47,893 --> 00:43:49,933
Speaker 2: I asked him about it, and he I don't think

949
00:43:49,973 --> 00:43:52,733
Speaker 2: he really even knew that it had happened. All that

950
00:43:52,733 --> 00:43:53,253
Speaker 2: I existed.

951
00:43:53,413 --> 00:43:55,692
Speaker 3: We need to give you some more Champagne, zoppoer clne sound.

952
00:43:55,773 --> 00:43:58,373
Speaker 3: This is great. That is a fantastic story right there.

953
00:43:58,373 --> 00:44:01,173
Speaker 3: It is so there it is Yeah, got all right.

954
00:44:01,253 --> 00:44:04,652
Speaker 2: So the moral of that story is don't mix zoppo

955
00:44:04,693 --> 00:44:06,013
Speaker 2: clone with Champagne.

956
00:44:05,653 --> 00:44:06,893
Speaker 3: When Carl Wurbarn's around.

957
00:44:06,933 --> 00:44:09,973
Speaker 2: Although, to be fair, nothing bad happened. Yeah, but you

958
00:44:10,093 --> 00:44:13,053
Speaker 2: just don't want to be in a different country and

959
00:44:13,253 --> 00:44:14,533
Speaker 2: not know what's going on.

960
00:44:14,733 --> 00:44:15,013
Speaker 3: Yeah.

961
00:44:15,053 --> 00:44:17,893
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how power for that is Alatonin, not powerful,

962
00:44:18,053 --> 00:44:18,973
Speaker 2: upper clone powerful.

963
00:44:19,013 --> 00:44:22,413
Speaker 3: That was a great story, right coming up very shortly,

964
00:44:22,733 --> 00:44:24,813
Speaker 3: look forward to this. Matt Heath has a rant, a

965
00:44:24,893 --> 00:44:26,773
Speaker 3: rant that he wrote in the middle of the night

966
00:44:26,813 --> 00:44:28,973
Speaker 3: after watching quite a powerful documentary.

967
00:44:29,293 --> 00:44:32,373
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, a documentary on the history of humanity.

968
00:44:32,813 --> 00:44:36,093
Speaker 2: So I got up and I wrote a state of

969
00:44:36,173 --> 00:44:39,093
Speaker 2: humanity speech in the middle of the night that I'm

970
00:44:39,133 --> 00:44:40,893
Speaker 2: going to share with you. And I feel bad about

971
00:44:40,893 --> 00:44:42,773
Speaker 2: sharing that with you because I've just shared a punishing

972
00:44:42,813 --> 00:44:44,413
Speaker 2: story with you and now I've got this other thing.

973
00:44:44,493 --> 00:44:47,373
Speaker 2: So so that that's up next, and then we're going

974
00:44:47,413 --> 00:44:49,733
Speaker 2: to ask what you think about this, and then what

975
00:44:50,133 --> 00:44:54,733
Speaker 2: you think about the current state of humanity in twenty

976
00:44:54,773 --> 00:44:55,333
Speaker 2: twenty five.

977
00:44:55,413 --> 00:44:57,333
Speaker 3: Yeap, it's a long rant. So put the kettle on,

978
00:44:58,013 --> 00:45:01,813
Speaker 3: put the kids to bed, and get ready, change channels

979
00:45:01,813 --> 00:45:04,213
Speaker 3: what you want to do? That is coming up very shortly.

980
00:45:04,293 --> 00:45:06,733
Speaker 3: It is twelve past too.

981
00:45:07,373 --> 00:45:11,733
Speaker 1: You're home of Afternoon Talk, mad Heathen Tyler Adams Afternoons

982
00:45:11,773 --> 00:45:16,733
Speaker 1: call eight hundred eighty eight News Talk ZB News Talks.

983
00:45:16,933 --> 00:45:20,053
Speaker 3: Be Welcome back into the show. Fourteen past two, right,

984
00:45:20,733 --> 00:45:23,813
Speaker 3: this is as this is It's Matt heath rant time.

985
00:45:23,933 --> 00:45:25,573
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, look, are we sure we want to hear this?

986
00:45:26,013 --> 00:45:28,973
Speaker 3: Absolutely? We want to hear it. Okay, you've just printed

987
00:45:28,973 --> 00:45:31,973
Speaker 3: it off as well, and it's about fifty pages long.

988
00:45:32,293 --> 00:45:33,493
Speaker 3: The printer's run at it ink.

989
00:45:33,733 --> 00:45:37,613
Speaker 2: It's two pages long. It's two pages long. Okay. I

990
00:45:37,613 --> 00:45:39,013
Speaker 2: wrote it in the middle of the night after I

991
00:45:39,013 --> 00:45:42,493
Speaker 2: watched this this this documentary on the totality of humanity.

992
00:45:42,493 --> 00:45:45,533
Speaker 2: Here we go, and that's how it starts. I watched

993
00:45:45,573 --> 00:45:48,653
Speaker 2: this video last night on the totality of human history.

994
00:45:49,253 --> 00:45:51,133
Speaker 2: I have a degree in anthropology, so this is my

995
00:45:51,213 --> 00:45:53,453
Speaker 2: kind of thing, all right. Anyway, it got me thinking.

996
00:45:53,973 --> 00:45:56,373
Speaker 2: I went to bed feeling both proud of how great

997
00:45:56,413 --> 00:46:00,853
Speaker 2: our species has struggled and succeeded over the ages, but

998
00:46:00,893 --> 00:46:02,813
Speaker 2: I also felt a great sense of shame and how

999
00:46:02,853 --> 00:46:06,933
Speaker 2: pathetic and wingy we have become okay, okay, yep, the

1000
00:46:07,053 --> 00:46:09,773
Speaker 2: history of humanity, and maybe just a bit disgusted at

1001
00:46:09,813 --> 00:46:13,613
Speaker 2: how ungrateful we are towards our ancestors and the hard

1002
00:46:13,653 --> 00:46:16,613
Speaker 2: work they put in to get us here. It seems

1003
00:46:16,653 --> 00:46:18,773
Speaker 2: more people than ever in twenty twenty five are winging

1004
00:46:18,773 --> 00:46:21,373
Speaker 2: and acting like they have it bad. There is so

1005
00:46:21,453 --> 00:46:23,373
Speaker 2: much complaining you would think that it was the worst

1006
00:46:23,413 --> 00:46:26,613
Speaker 2: time in history. The truth is, we don't have it bad.

1007
00:46:26,893 --> 00:46:29,173
Speaker 2: We have it very very good in New Zealand and

1008
00:46:29,213 --> 00:46:30,773
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, And you only have to look at

1009
00:46:30,813 --> 00:46:34,093
Speaker 2: history to see that starvation, for example, has been a

1010
00:46:34,133 --> 00:46:37,652
Speaker 2: major issue for all of human history until now. All

1011
00:46:37,773 --> 00:46:40,733
Speaker 2: humans for hundreds of thousands of years just struggle to

1012
00:46:40,733 --> 00:46:43,733
Speaker 2: feed themselves in their families. And still with all that work,

1013
00:46:43,853 --> 00:46:46,652
Speaker 2: until recently, famines often hit whatever area you were in

1014
00:46:47,093 --> 00:46:49,093
Speaker 2: and it would kill most people in the area. True,

1015
00:46:49,213 --> 00:46:52,173
Speaker 2: that would just happen every twenty odd years, you'd have

1016
00:46:52,173 --> 00:46:56,733
Speaker 2: a famine in Enzed in twenty twenty five. No one

1017
00:46:56,813 --> 00:46:59,373
Speaker 2: has to starve to death. In fact, our biggest health

1018
00:46:59,373 --> 00:47:02,733
Speaker 2: threat for our poorest people is obesity. Globally, in twenty

1019
00:47:02,773 --> 00:47:06,173
Speaker 2: twenty five, more people die from over eating than under eating.

1020
00:47:06,493 --> 00:47:09,093
Speaker 2: In fact, more people die of their own hands globally,

1021
00:47:09,133 --> 00:47:11,893
Speaker 2: then stand at starvation at the moment. That is the

1022
00:47:11,893 --> 00:47:13,893
Speaker 2: biggest change in the world in the last fifty years.

1023
00:47:13,973 --> 00:47:16,893
Speaker 2: Right Yet, if you listen to the news, or social

1024
00:47:16,933 --> 00:47:19,172
Speaker 2: media or some political parties, you would think that it's

1025
00:47:19,213 --> 00:47:21,893
Speaker 2: the worst time to be alive in all of history.

1026
00:47:22,533 --> 00:47:25,813
Speaker 2: With even the most shallow historical perspective, this complaining is

1027
00:47:25,853 --> 00:47:30,213
Speaker 2: not only weak but also shockingly ungrateful. An attitude to

1028
00:47:30,293 --> 00:47:34,413
Speaker 2: all that came before us, our ancestors who actually faced hardship.

1029
00:47:34,973 --> 00:47:38,533
Speaker 2: You are onlylive today. You're only alive today because thousands

1030
00:47:38,533 --> 00:47:43,533
Speaker 2: of your ancestors somehow didn't die when survival was nearly impossible.

1031
00:47:43,653 --> 00:47:44,212
Speaker 3: Yes, Matt.

1032
00:47:46,373 --> 00:47:49,333
Speaker 2: Take this for example, Around seventy four thousand years ago,

1033
00:47:49,373 --> 00:47:52,172
Speaker 2: a super volcano erupted in what is now Indonesia and

1034
00:47:52,213 --> 00:47:55,893
Speaker 2: plunged the planet into a volcanic winter, wiping out most

1035
00:47:55,893 --> 00:47:59,613
Speaker 2: of humanity. Nearly everyone on Earth starved to death. Only

1036
00:47:59,773 --> 00:48:05,053
Speaker 2: three thousand total humans globally hung on by their fingertips.

1037
00:48:05,653 --> 00:48:08,253
Speaker 2: They fought for survival so people can exist a day.

1038
00:48:09,293 --> 00:48:12,613
Speaker 2: And what do we do with that gift? Complain about everything.

1039
00:48:13,053 --> 00:48:16,053
Speaker 2: We are all related to those three thousand people who

1040
00:48:16,133 --> 00:48:19,293
Speaker 2: hung on against all the odds. But most of us

1041
00:48:19,333 --> 00:48:23,533
Speaker 2: behave in such an ungrateful fashion. I believe we disrespect

1042
00:48:23,533 --> 00:48:24,093
Speaker 2: their struggle.

1043
00:48:24,653 --> 00:48:28,333
Speaker 3: Very true, Okay, Moore, they've paid one. There's more people

1044
00:48:28,653 --> 00:48:32,413
Speaker 3: stand stand by, stand back. But this struggle is true

1045
00:48:32,413 --> 00:48:35,573
Speaker 3: across time, Tyler. Take the Last Ice Age twenty thousand

1046
00:48:35,613 --> 00:48:38,413
Speaker 3: years ago. Our ancestors hunted with spears and the snow

1047
00:48:38,493 --> 00:48:41,692
Speaker 3: to get dinner, wearing nothing but animal skins as they

1048
00:48:41,773 --> 00:48:44,212
Speaker 3: hunted on the eyes, trying not to freeze to death

1049
00:48:44,333 --> 00:48:46,733
Speaker 3: or get eaten. By cave lines, and if you got

1050
00:48:46,773 --> 00:48:49,453
Speaker 3: bitten or broke a leg, you were done. No surgery,

1051
00:48:49,533 --> 00:48:54,013
Speaker 3: no acc no anesthetic, no painkillers, no pain killers until

1052
00:48:54,013 --> 00:48:54,813
Speaker 3: eighteen fifty.

1053
00:48:55,213 --> 00:48:58,093
Speaker 2: Even then it was very rare to get. The most operations,

1054
00:48:58,093 --> 00:48:59,973
Speaker 2: if you can call them that, and history were done

1055
00:49:00,013 --> 00:49:03,533
Speaker 2: in filthy, screaming pain, with almost no chance of survival.

1056
00:49:04,053 --> 00:49:07,133
Speaker 2: Your ancestors went through all this to feed their offspring

1057
00:49:07,453 --> 00:49:10,093
Speaker 2: so you could be born and sit there staring down

1058
00:49:10,133 --> 00:49:12,172
Speaker 2: at your phone today, trying to find ways to make

1059
00:49:12,253 --> 00:49:15,053
Speaker 2: up hardships and excuses so you don't have to do anything.

1060
00:49:15,493 --> 00:49:18,853
Speaker 2: Very true about ten thousand years ago, the dawn of

1061
00:49:18,853 --> 00:49:22,773
Speaker 2: agriculture brought permanent settlements. Right, it's a misconception that this

1062
00:49:22,893 --> 00:49:25,333
Speaker 2: was a good thing. It actually made everything worse. Back

1063
00:49:25,533 --> 00:49:29,853
Speaker 2: breaking work with tooth rotting diets, crop failures bringing famine,

1064
00:49:29,893 --> 00:49:33,973
Speaker 2: and population density based disease outbreaks. That was hard work.

1065
00:49:34,333 --> 00:49:36,453
Speaker 2: You may think you have it hard, but most humans

1066
00:49:36,493 --> 00:49:40,773
Speaker 2: ever born didn't even make it to adulthood. People complained

1067
00:49:40,773 --> 00:49:43,533
Speaker 2: today about their work being boring or not fulfilling their dreams,

1068
00:49:43,573 --> 00:49:46,373
Speaker 2: which is pathetic. There was no social net for nearly

1069
00:49:46,413 --> 00:49:49,013
Speaker 2: all of our history, no houses. It was do or die.

1070
00:49:49,133 --> 00:49:52,093
Speaker 2: Whatever your job or life is, it is infinitely easier

1071
00:49:52,333 --> 00:49:55,453
Speaker 2: and more comfortable than our ancestors in the fields who

1072
00:49:55,573 --> 00:49:58,573
Speaker 2: survived to get you here had it, and we don't

1073
00:49:58,573 --> 00:50:02,533
Speaker 2: appreciate it. What about fear? People say they are anxious today,

1074
00:50:02,653 --> 00:50:07,252
Speaker 2: we have an anxiety epidemic. Grow up. In the twelve hundreds,

1075
00:50:08,893 --> 00:50:12,013
Speaker 2: the Mongol invasions murdered and estimated twenty percent of the

1076
00:50:12,053 --> 00:50:16,173
Speaker 2: global population, millions wiped out, his entire cities, burnt and

1077
00:50:16,213 --> 00:50:19,133
Speaker 2: were raised from the map. People act like they are

1078
00:50:19,173 --> 00:50:21,093
Speaker 2: hard done by Your city isn't likely to be burnt

1079
00:50:21,133 --> 00:50:23,613
Speaker 2: to the ground by invaders? And everyone who wasn't slaughtered

1080
00:50:23,653 --> 00:50:24,573
Speaker 2: being put into slavery?

1081
00:50:24,613 --> 00:50:24,933
Speaker 11: Are they?

1082
00:50:25,053 --> 00:50:25,812
Speaker 3: That was a bad time?

1083
00:50:25,933 --> 00:50:29,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was the case across most of history, everywhere

1084
00:50:29,013 --> 00:50:32,252
Speaker 2: in the world. Anxiety epidemic, you have to go only

1085
00:50:32,333 --> 00:50:34,252
Speaker 2: go back a couple of generations to World War Two.

1086
00:50:34,333 --> 00:50:37,493
Speaker 2: That's surely more anxiety inducing than whatever you are crying

1087
00:50:37,493 --> 00:50:40,692
Speaker 2: about on social media now. People win twenty four seven

1088
00:50:40,693 --> 00:50:44,373
Speaker 2: about healthcare in this country, long waiting times, not enough nurses, etc.

1089
00:50:44,613 --> 00:50:46,933
Speaker 2: And the thirteen hundreds of the Black Death killed sixty

1090
00:50:46,973 --> 00:50:50,693
Speaker 2: percent of the world's population. Horrible screaming pain in two years,

1091
00:50:51,053 --> 00:50:54,053
Speaker 2: whole families, towns, and cities just dropped dead and disappeared.

1092
00:50:54,373 --> 00:50:56,413
Speaker 2: Nearly everyone was dying and knowing knew why.

1093
00:50:56,533 --> 00:50:56,772
Speaker 13: Yeap.

1094
00:50:57,733 --> 00:51:01,573
Speaker 2: But despite all of this, your ancestors, barefoot, half starved,

1095
00:51:01,773 --> 00:51:04,213
Speaker 2: and armed with nothing but grit, love for their families,

1096
00:51:04,293 --> 00:51:06,813
Speaker 2: hard work, and luck, survived long enough to pass down

1097
00:51:07,013 --> 00:51:09,212
Speaker 2: their precious genes to the point that you are lucky

1098
00:51:09,293 --> 00:51:11,413
Speaker 2: enough to exist today. And what do we do to

1099
00:51:11,413 --> 00:51:13,773
Speaker 2: say thank you to all those people before us and

1100
00:51:13,813 --> 00:51:18,053
Speaker 2: their sacrifices. We complain about everything. We like to pretend

1101
00:51:18,093 --> 00:51:20,373
Speaker 2: we have it hard to make us feel important, so

1102
00:51:20,493 --> 00:51:23,013
Speaker 2: we have excuses for an action We need to be honest.

1103
00:51:23,053 --> 00:51:25,893
Speaker 2: Everyone has it easier today than ninety nine point nine

1104
00:51:25,933 --> 00:51:28,413
Speaker 2: percent of our ancestors. And if you live in New Zealand,

1105
00:51:28,453 --> 00:51:30,693
Speaker 2: you have it better than ninety percent of the world today.

1106
00:51:31,093 --> 00:51:33,133
Speaker 2: So if you're about to complain about something, or a

1107
00:51:33,173 --> 00:51:36,053
Speaker 2: family member or a friend is about to commain, or

1108
00:51:36,053 --> 00:51:37,933
Speaker 2: if you hear a political party or the media or

1109
00:51:38,093 --> 00:51:41,333
Speaker 2: someone online trying to weaponize empathy for power by finding

1110
00:51:41,373 --> 00:51:45,293
Speaker 2: things for you to complain about, instead of scrolling social

1111
00:51:45,333 --> 00:51:48,013
Speaker 2: media finding things to feel jealous of, comparing yourself with

1112
00:51:48,093 --> 00:51:50,853
Speaker 2: people that have more than you. Maybe take a second

1113
00:51:50,853 --> 00:51:54,613
Speaker 2: to remember you are the miracle one thousand generations of

1114
00:51:54,693 --> 00:51:58,293
Speaker 2: humans fort starved and bled for they would do anything

1115
00:51:58,293 --> 00:52:00,773
Speaker 2: to live the life that you live, So shut up

1116
00:52:00,893 --> 00:52:04,293
Speaker 2: and get on with it. Maybe instead of complaining those

1117
00:52:04,333 --> 00:52:08,573
Speaker 2: who complain the lout maybe unless nearly there, nearly finished? Yeah,

1118
00:52:08,613 --> 00:52:11,533
Speaker 2: come on, Maybe instead of celebrating those who complain the loudest,

1119
00:52:11,573 --> 00:52:14,573
Speaker 2: we need to start shaming them as what they are,

1120
00:52:15,453 --> 00:52:17,613
Speaker 2: and that is ungrateful winges. Maybe it's time for all

1121
00:52:17,613 --> 00:52:19,733
Speaker 2: of us to stop being so pathetic and start showing

1122
00:52:19,773 --> 00:52:22,893
Speaker 2: some gratitude to our thousands and thousands of ancestors that

1123
00:52:23,013 --> 00:52:25,533
Speaker 2: did the hard yards to get us here by appreciing

1124
00:52:25,573 --> 00:52:28,212
Speaker 2: what appreciating what we have working hard to achieve more

1125
00:52:28,213 --> 00:52:29,373
Speaker 2: for our species going forward.

1126
00:52:29,773 --> 00:52:31,693
Speaker 3: Get that to the New Zealand here, or get it

1127
00:52:31,693 --> 00:52:33,813
Speaker 3: to the government. Well done, So you wrote that at

1128
00:52:33,853 --> 00:52:36,613
Speaker 3: three o'clock in the morning, screaming at the computer. Yeah,

1129
00:52:36,653 --> 00:52:38,853
Speaker 3: but look there's there. I mean, you may have very

1130
00:52:38,893 --> 00:52:42,293
Speaker 3: compelling arguments about what do we actually have to whinch

1131
00:52:42,293 --> 00:52:45,013
Speaker 3: about in New Zealand and twenty twenty five? Are we

1132
00:52:45,293 --> 00:52:47,973
Speaker 3: just such an ungrateful lot at the moment that as

1133
00:52:48,013 --> 00:52:51,813
Speaker 3: you said our ancestors had to struggle for survival to

1134
00:52:51,813 --> 00:52:53,773
Speaker 3: make sure that we were here, That I am here

1135
00:52:53,853 --> 00:52:56,573
Speaker 3: right now. My ancestors had a hell of a tough time.

1136
00:52:57,053 --> 00:52:59,893
Speaker 3: And now I'm getting a little bit anxious because I

1137
00:52:59,933 --> 00:53:01,573
Speaker 3: see some bad things on social media.

1138
00:53:01,613 --> 00:53:05,253
Speaker 2: Absolutely, there's thousands of thousands of people that stood up

1139
00:53:05,693 --> 00:53:08,733
Speaker 2: in a line behind you, went through the heart stuff.

1140
00:53:08,773 --> 00:53:12,293
Speaker 2: So you're here and then we just sit and go, oh,

1141
00:53:12,613 --> 00:53:15,173
Speaker 2: I'm not quite as well off as my friend on Instagram.

1142
00:53:15,293 --> 00:53:18,573
Speaker 3: Yeah, anyway, Oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is

1143
00:53:18,573 --> 00:53:20,933
Speaker 3: the number to call. Oh, you're gonna love that text

1144
00:53:21,013 --> 00:53:23,652
Speaker 3: Matt for Prime Minister one day, Mate, one day. I

1145
00:53:23,693 --> 00:53:25,933
Speaker 3: eight one hundred eighty ten eighty. How do you feel

1146
00:53:25,933 --> 00:53:27,973
Speaker 3: about that rant from Matt? And do you think we

1147
00:53:28,013 --> 00:53:32,453
Speaker 3: are the most ungrateful we've ever been? In twenty twenty five?

1148
00:53:32,653 --> 00:53:35,973
Speaker 2: This is good from Tony Heath. Shut up, stop complaining.

1149
00:53:37,653 --> 00:53:37,773
Speaker 5: It.

1150
00:53:37,773 --> 00:53:46,333
Speaker 3: There's twenty two pass too.

1151
00:53:43,573 --> 00:53:46,933
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred

1152
00:53:47,013 --> 00:53:48,773
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on news Talk.

1153
00:53:48,653 --> 00:53:50,293
Speaker 7: ZB far out.

1154
00:53:50,373 --> 00:53:52,573
Speaker 3: The text have come through thick and fast, and if

1155
00:53:52,573 --> 00:53:54,133
Speaker 3: you want to have a chat on this one O

1156
00:53:54,173 --> 00:53:57,533
Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty and to the hundreds

1157
00:53:57,533 --> 00:53:59,653
Speaker 3: of people asking, yet, we'll get that rant up online

1158
00:53:59,693 --> 00:54:02,133
Speaker 3: so that you can send it to the right authorities.

1159
00:54:02,813 --> 00:54:04,253
Speaker 2: Now, I just have to as I was reading at

1160
00:54:04,453 --> 00:54:05,773
Speaker 2: because I wrote it last night in the middle of

1161
00:54:05,773 --> 00:54:08,293
Speaker 2: the night after watching this documentary. As I said, as

1162
00:54:08,373 --> 00:54:09,613
Speaker 2: I was reading it out, I noticed some of it

1163
00:54:09,613 --> 00:54:11,653
Speaker 2: didn't make sense. Part of it was fever dream.

1164
00:54:12,933 --> 00:54:15,292
Speaker 3: A lot of support. Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty

1165
00:54:15,333 --> 00:54:19,293
Speaker 3: are we the most grateful generation that's ever lived, considering

1166
00:54:19,293 --> 00:54:21,692
Speaker 3: what our ancestors had to go through? Eight hundred eighty

1167
00:54:21,733 --> 00:54:23,413
Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call.

1168
00:54:23,573 --> 00:54:24,973
Speaker 2: The six is a good one, man. I was just

1169
00:54:25,013 --> 00:54:27,053
Speaker 2: having a wings because my lunch came with ranch and

1170
00:54:27,093 --> 00:54:27,653
Speaker 2: not Ali.

1171
00:54:28,053 --> 00:54:28,733
Speaker 3: That is annoying.

1172
00:54:28,773 --> 00:54:30,172
Speaker 2: That is in human that you should have to put

1173
00:54:30,413 --> 00:54:31,413
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff a.

1174
00:54:31,573 --> 00:54:32,733
Speaker 3: Few poor bastards.

1175
00:54:33,613 --> 00:54:33,773
Speaker 6: Right.

1176
00:54:33,813 --> 00:54:35,253
Speaker 3: The phones is let up.

1177
00:54:36,013 --> 00:54:38,213
Speaker 2: That is the most elongated way to tell people to

1178
00:54:38,253 --> 00:54:43,413
Speaker 2: harden up the day, Dallas, Welcome to the Matt and

1179
00:54:43,493 --> 00:54:46,173
Speaker 2: Tyler afternoons on news talks, he'db how are you today?

1180
00:54:47,053 --> 00:54:49,933
Speaker 17: Yeah, good, good effort, Matt. I love your I love

1181
00:54:49,973 --> 00:54:51,373
Speaker 17: your way that you think.

1182
00:54:51,733 --> 00:54:52,333
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you.

1183
00:54:53,293 --> 00:54:59,453
Speaker 17: I'll just say that that quest for more and more

1184
00:54:59,693 --> 00:55:01,973
Speaker 17: is what has brought our human race to where it

1185
00:55:02,013 --> 00:55:07,413
Speaker 17: is now. So that yeah, to always try and improve ourselves,

1186
00:55:07,413 --> 00:55:13,213
Speaker 17: to always trying get more, to improve, to live longer,

1187
00:55:13,373 --> 00:55:14,772
Speaker 17: to be more healthy.

1188
00:55:14,493 --> 00:55:15,533
Speaker 7: To be more this for that.

1189
00:55:16,013 --> 00:55:17,893
Speaker 4: So we've got an in built.

1190
00:55:18,173 --> 00:55:23,853
Speaker 17: Distatus satisfaction which has propelled our species to where we are.

1191
00:55:23,933 --> 00:55:27,053
Speaker 17: So that will not stop, that will continue on, so

1192
00:55:27,093 --> 00:55:31,172
Speaker 17: that there will always been an element of I want more,

1193
00:55:31,213 --> 00:55:33,053
Speaker 17: I can improve more, I can.

1194
00:55:33,773 --> 00:55:35,333
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm dissatisfied.

1195
00:55:35,373 --> 00:55:38,493
Speaker 17: And also, when we used to sit around the fires

1196
00:55:38,933 --> 00:55:42,453
Speaker 17: in the prehistoric days, if you heard a rustle in

1197
00:55:42,493 --> 00:55:47,133
Speaker 17: the grass, long grass, you immediately got anxious. But that

1198
00:55:47,253 --> 00:55:49,653
Speaker 17: anxiety kept us alive.

1199
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So I've got so basically saying, this is

1200
00:55:53,333 --> 00:55:56,133
Speaker 2: ancient wiring that we've got now, but because we're not

1201
00:55:56,253 --> 00:55:59,813
Speaker 2: living in the environment that we're evolved to live in,

1202
00:56:00,173 --> 00:56:05,413
Speaker 2: its miss firing. Because I was talking to this excellent

1203
00:56:05,653 --> 00:56:08,013
Speaker 2: American philosopher called William b Irvine, and he put it

1204
00:56:08,053 --> 00:56:12,172
Speaker 2: this way. You know, we are evolved to be dissatisfied

1205
00:56:12,213 --> 00:56:14,933
Speaker 2: because the guy that was sitting on the savannah going

1206
00:56:15,493 --> 00:56:18,133
Speaker 2: everything's fine, he got eaten by a tiger a few

1207
00:56:18,133 --> 00:56:21,053
Speaker 2: seconds later, or a lion and the guy that was

1208
00:56:21,053 --> 00:56:23,133
Speaker 2: like this isn't great and climbed a tree or brought

1209
00:56:23,133 --> 00:56:27,453
Speaker 2: a fence or worried about a situation survived. So we're actually,

1210
00:56:27,733 --> 00:56:31,773
Speaker 2: as you say, Dallas, we're evolved to always be dissatisfied,

1211
00:56:31,933 --> 00:56:33,853
Speaker 2: and so no matter how good things get, we're going

1212
00:56:33,933 --> 00:56:38,413
Speaker 2: to keep complaining. Is that what you're sort of saying, Dallas.

1213
00:56:38,573 --> 00:56:42,333
Speaker 17: Yeah, there were always well, never we never reached perfect

1214
00:56:42,653 --> 00:56:47,013
Speaker 17: nirvana or happiness because because of these evolutionary impulses. It's

1215
00:56:47,053 --> 00:56:51,053
Speaker 17: like if you have a child, then suddenly you've got

1216
00:56:51,293 --> 00:56:54,613
Speaker 17: impulses to protect this child at all costs, and so

1217
00:56:54,853 --> 00:56:59,493
Speaker 17: once again you're really alive to something bad could happen

1218
00:56:59,573 --> 00:57:05,133
Speaker 17: to your child, your maybe so again, see that's how

1219
00:57:05,173 --> 00:57:07,133
Speaker 17: we've that's the contradiction.

1220
00:57:08,373 --> 00:57:08,853
Speaker 11: Who we are.

1221
00:57:09,373 --> 00:57:11,733
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I agree with you. But is there some

1222
00:57:11,773 --> 00:57:15,213
Speaker 2: way that we can hack that wiring so and recognize

1223
00:57:15,253 --> 00:57:18,453
Speaker 2: when we're worrying about the wrong thing. So, if you're

1224
00:57:18,773 --> 00:57:22,173
Speaker 2: steering at social media and you're getting angry because someone

1225
00:57:22,213 --> 00:57:24,733
Speaker 2: looks like they're having a slightly flasher holiday than you,

1226
00:57:25,173 --> 00:57:27,773
Speaker 2: if you can remind yourself that that is your ancient

1227
00:57:28,053 --> 00:57:34,453
Speaker 2: wiring misfiring and instead focus and try and expend that

1228
00:57:34,653 --> 00:57:39,253
Speaker 2: energy that does dissatisfaction on something more productive. Then you know,

1229
00:57:39,333 --> 00:57:41,813
Speaker 2: you can turn that dissatisfaction into a superpower rather than

1230
00:57:41,853 --> 00:57:42,693
Speaker 2: a weakness.

1231
00:57:43,253 --> 00:57:43,453
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1232
00:57:43,453 --> 00:57:47,573
Speaker 17: Well, I support a family in Africa, right, and they've

1233
00:57:47,693 --> 00:57:50,493
Speaker 17: got an outside loo. They have to walk one hundred

1234
00:57:50,533 --> 00:57:54,213
Speaker 17: meters to the loo, which also doubles as it's just

1235
00:57:54,213 --> 00:57:58,453
Speaker 17: a long drop that doubles as their shower are what

1236
00:57:58,733 --> 00:58:02,293
Speaker 17: area they have to carry water down for lou to

1237
00:58:04,413 --> 00:58:07,093
Speaker 17: and then it's all for the loo. So it's a

1238
00:58:07,133 --> 00:58:10,733
Speaker 17: horrible you know, it's not a place. So you know,

1239
00:58:11,133 --> 00:58:14,853
Speaker 17: let's just sort of thing. Look, we need gratitude for

1240
00:58:15,413 --> 00:58:18,933
Speaker 17: as you've been saying, we need to if we're aware

1241
00:58:18,973 --> 00:58:22,333
Speaker 17: of others, that helps us to be more grateful for

1242
00:58:22,413 --> 00:58:23,093
Speaker 17: where we are.

1243
00:58:23,053 --> 00:58:23,533
Speaker 4: Doesn't it.

1244
00:58:23,733 --> 00:58:26,373
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you and good on you for doing that, Dallas.

1245
00:58:26,413 --> 00:58:29,613
Speaker 2: But if we concentrate on that, we you know, the

1246
00:58:29,693 --> 00:58:32,013
Speaker 2: saying that always comes to mind for me as comparison

1247
00:58:32,093 --> 00:58:33,693
Speaker 2: is the thief of joy. But it's more that we're

1248
00:58:33,693 --> 00:58:37,013
Speaker 2: comparing ourselves with the wrong things. So you can always

1249
00:58:37,053 --> 00:58:40,253
Speaker 2: compare yourself to the billionaires, and you compare to people

1250
00:58:40,373 --> 00:58:42,333
Speaker 2: that have more than you. But if you just take

1251
00:58:42,333 --> 00:58:45,293
Speaker 2: a second to compare to that family you're talking about, Dallas,

1252
00:58:45,893 --> 00:58:48,893
Speaker 2: then maybe you can appreciate what you have a little

1253
00:58:48,893 --> 00:58:49,333
Speaker 2: bit more.

1254
00:58:50,613 --> 00:58:53,813
Speaker 3: Yep, Yeah, yeah, Tallas. So here what you're saying though

1255
00:58:53,813 --> 00:58:56,613
Speaker 3: about the fight or flight response that you know, we're

1256
00:58:57,013 --> 00:59:00,253
Speaker 3: hardwired to run away from tigers and there's no longer

1257
00:59:00,293 --> 00:59:02,093
Speaker 3: tigers that we're running away from, but we've got to

1258
00:59:02,173 --> 00:59:04,853
Speaker 3: run away from something. And back to your point is,

1259
00:59:04,893 --> 00:59:05,693
Speaker 3: surely we can.

1260
00:59:05,653 --> 00:59:06,933
Speaker 2: Try and we create problems.

1261
00:59:07,013 --> 00:59:09,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, imaginary tigers that runn away from it is that

1262
00:59:09,453 --> 00:59:12,333
Speaker 3: is causing us anxiety. But those tigers are not there.

1263
00:59:12,453 --> 00:59:14,693
Speaker 3: So we come up with other struggles that we've got

1264
00:59:14,733 --> 00:59:17,573
Speaker 3: to be fearful of and tap into that biology and

1265
00:59:17,693 --> 00:59:19,293
Speaker 3: just makes no sense in twenty twenty five.

1266
00:59:19,493 --> 00:59:20,253
Speaker 2: Yes, so we know.

1267
00:59:22,053 --> 00:59:24,853
Speaker 17: You deal with it. Matt said the same thing, that

1268
00:59:24,893 --> 00:59:30,653
Speaker 17: we sort of we have internalized that instinct into non

1269
00:59:30,813 --> 00:59:31,773
Speaker 17: profitable ways.

1270
00:59:31,933 --> 00:59:32,173
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1271
00:59:32,653 --> 00:59:35,493
Speaker 17: I I don't know how we overcome that.

1272
00:59:35,573 --> 00:59:37,493
Speaker 11: I guess that's why I think.

1273
00:59:37,373 --> 00:59:39,853
Speaker 2: You need to. I think you need to do things

1274
00:59:39,853 --> 00:59:42,653
Speaker 2: that are hard. I think because we live in such

1275
00:59:42,653 --> 00:59:46,853
Speaker 2: a luxurious world and there's there's an opportunity for people

1276
00:59:47,013 --> 00:59:52,013
Speaker 2: to just indulge in basically anything they want that makes

1277
00:59:52,093 --> 00:59:55,933
Speaker 2: us miserable, but struggle and and you know, taking on

1278
00:59:55,973 --> 01:00:01,093
Speaker 2: difficult projects is actually brings us the happiness, ironically, more

1279
01:00:01,093 --> 01:00:03,933
Speaker 2: happiness than the things that we think will bring us happiness.

1280
01:00:03,973 --> 01:00:06,493
Speaker 2: You know, the easy, easy decisions make us miserable, and

1281
01:00:06,533 --> 01:00:09,373
Speaker 2: the hard decisions make us happy, strangely, because that's the

1282
01:00:09,373 --> 01:00:10,613
Speaker 2: way we're wired.

1283
01:00:12,093 --> 01:00:14,053
Speaker 10: Excellent guys, Thank you, Dallas, you're.

1284
01:00:13,893 --> 01:00:14,373
Speaker 3: A good man.

1285
01:00:14,413 --> 01:00:15,653
Speaker 2: Thank for your call, Dallas.

1286
01:00:15,773 --> 01:00:18,653
Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1287
01:00:19,013 --> 01:00:21,973
Speaker 3: Love to hear from you. Are we and the most

1288
01:00:22,093 --> 01:00:24,733
Speaker 3: ungrateful then we've ever been. But if you think things

1289
01:00:24,733 --> 01:00:27,053
Speaker 3: are pretty good, or you can see you can stop

1290
01:00:27,053 --> 01:00:28,813
Speaker 3: and smell the roses, love to hear from you, or

1291
01:00:28,853 --> 01:00:30,973
Speaker 3: you don't think things are that great, by all means,

1292
01:00:31,013 --> 01:00:33,733
Speaker 3: give us a call. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is

1293
01:00:33,773 --> 01:00:36,253
Speaker 3: the number to call. Now after the break, I want

1294
01:00:36,253 --> 01:00:38,413
Speaker 3: to get your thoughts and talking about we've got to

1295
01:00:38,453 --> 01:00:40,613
Speaker 3: do some things that are hard. It was a book

1296
01:00:40,653 --> 01:00:42,853
Speaker 3: I read called The Comfort Crisis, yep, And I want

1297
01:00:42,893 --> 01:00:43,773
Speaker 3: to get your thoughts about that.

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Speaker 2: When it comes to boredom, yeah, well, as JFK said,

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Speaker 2: we do things not because they're easy, but because they're hard.

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Speaker 3: I very well said it is twenty eight to three.

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Speaker 7: JUS talk sai'd be headlines with blue bubble.

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Speaker 14: Tax says it's no trouble with a blue bubble. Gpn

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Speaker 14: Z says international doctors will stay in New Zealand as

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Speaker 14: pathways to registration expand if the and wrap around support

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01:01:09,893 --> 01:01:14,813
Speaker 14: with things like accommodation and specialty registration. The governments pulled

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Speaker 14: the plug on open planned classrooms, saying the noisy and

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Speaker 14: problematic and new class builds will be more traditional. Bill

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Speaker 14: Cancer Enz says too many adults don't know the signs,

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Speaker 14: which makes the highly preventable disease much more deadly. Symptoms

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Speaker 14: include abdominal pain, blood and stools, unexplained weight loss, and fatigue.

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Speaker 14: Almost four years after a baby's body was found that

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Speaker 14: an Auckland recycling plant, police are still begging the family

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Speaker 14: to come forward. Architects and designers say works dried up

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01:01:47,693 --> 01:01:51,533
Speaker 14: across the country, with fifty seven percent starting fewer projects

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Speaker 14: than twelve months ago and fewer practices with future work

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01:01:55,333 --> 01:01:59,173
Speaker 14: lined up. Thousands of Kiwi teens have delivered letters to

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Speaker 14: the steps of Parliament today demanding action on modern slavery.

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Speaker 14: Its kind of detective work inside the hunt for New

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Speaker 14: Zealand's missing airs is You can see the full story

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Speaker 14: at Inzaid Herald Premium. Back to Matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Rayleen, And we've asked the question,

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Speaker 3: are we their most ungrateful generation ever? Considering what our

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01:02:20,653 --> 01:02:23,173
Speaker 3: ancestors have gone through to make sure that we are

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Speaker 3: alive today on the back of Matt's very powerful rants

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Speaker 3: and you can see that rant in its entirety on

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Speaker 3: our Facebook page and new stib dot co dot INZT.

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Speaker 2: Just to put it briefly, Yeah, oh eight hundred and

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Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty do you agree with this? For almost

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01:02:37,133 --> 01:02:40,293
Speaker 2: all of human history survival men constant hunger, disease, and violence.

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01:02:40,373 --> 01:02:43,653
Speaker 2: Yet our ancestors endured and prevailed so we could live

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01:02:43,693 --> 01:02:47,453
Speaker 2: an unprecedented safety and abundance today here in New Zealand

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01:02:47,453 --> 01:02:51,213
Speaker 2: by any historical measure. Modern New Zealanders and most worldwide,

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01:02:51,333 --> 01:02:54,533
Speaker 2: enjoy comforts and opportunities unimaginable to those who came before us.

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Speaker 2: Instead of insistent, insistant complaining, we owe our fourbear's gratitude

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01:02:59,573 --> 01:03:02,133
Speaker 2: and should honor their struggle by appreciating what we have

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01:03:02,373 --> 01:03:05,333
Speaker 2: and striving to build even more for future generations.

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Speaker 3: Yep, I agree with that nicely summarized us day.

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01:03:08,733 --> 01:03:14,173
Speaker 2: I to summarize my I used AI to summarize my messive.

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Speaker 3: Rent no indehes and there were eight hundred act and acy.

1340
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Speaker 3: Why we are so ungrateful and why are we so

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01:03:20,613 --> 01:03:24,893
Speaker 3: complainery in twenty twenty five when evidence would should suggest

1342
01:03:24,933 --> 01:03:26,293
Speaker 3: it's never been better than it has.

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Speaker 2: John, Welcome to the show your.

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Speaker 5: Thoughts, John, Well, listen, thank you, and you need a

1345
01:03:34,133 --> 01:03:38,293
Speaker 5: gold medal. Give work very hard on this and unfortunately

1346
01:03:38,573 --> 01:03:46,653
Speaker 5: we're so despise of what's happening around ourselves now. Like

1347
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Speaker 5: the war.

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01:03:47,613 --> 01:03:48,013
Speaker 6: You know.

1349
01:03:49,653 --> 01:03:52,773
Speaker 5: It's said because all our anxistors they did it all

1350
01:03:52,813 --> 01:03:56,573
Speaker 5: for us and we winch And it's a winging country,

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01:03:58,773 --> 01:03:59,253
Speaker 5: do you think?

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01:03:59,973 --> 01:04:02,133
Speaker 16: So you go, all your.

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01:04:02,093 --> 01:04:05,133
Speaker 5: Work that you put into that is nothing but a

1354
01:04:05,293 --> 01:04:09,333
Speaker 5: true true words. Like when I take up in the morning,

1355
01:04:09,373 --> 01:04:13,413
Speaker 5: I always think my anxist. I don't know about anybody else,

1356
01:04:13,493 --> 01:04:16,253
Speaker 5: but I always it doesn't matter, you know, I'm going

1357
01:04:16,293 --> 01:04:20,173
Speaker 5: to pass on to But yeah, well it's.

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Speaker 3: A great outlook, John, But is the and winging isn't

1359
01:04:23,413 --> 01:04:26,533
Speaker 3: the right word because there's a balance right between striving

1360
01:04:26,693 --> 01:04:29,893
Speaker 3: to do better and we can always do better versus

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01:04:30,093 --> 01:04:33,933
Speaker 3: sure having a winge because you don't think things aren't

1362
01:04:33,933 --> 01:04:35,733
Speaker 3: going that well, where if you stop to smell the

1363
01:04:35,813 --> 01:04:38,253
Speaker 3: roses and think about what your ancestors had to deal with,

1364
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Speaker 3: life is pretty good. But there's that balance, right.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right. And look you said about in the

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Speaker 5: dark old days, you know they're a flood that we're

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Speaker 5: just the families are going through, you know, so they've

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Speaker 5: got a fair idea what's happening.

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Speaker 16: Eh.

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Speaker 5: And it's not until sickness starts to come unto your

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Speaker 5: body that you really started to wake.

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Speaker 2: Up me yeah, oh yeah absolutely, And then you look

1373
01:05:02,813 --> 01:05:06,093
Speaker 2: back and go when when the struggles do come, you

1374
01:05:06,133 --> 01:05:08,813
Speaker 2: look back and go, what was I complain thing about

1375
01:05:08,853 --> 01:05:11,373
Speaker 2: before this came along? And you know, I've got a

1376
01:05:11,413 --> 01:05:14,093
Speaker 2: very good friend that's currently you know, he's a grower

1377
01:05:14,173 --> 01:05:19,533
Speaker 2: down and Mochuacre Donnie, he's he's you know, his days

1378
01:05:19,653 --> 01:05:21,293
Speaker 2: was going on. He was about to go over season

1379
01:05:21,333 --> 01:05:23,893
Speaker 2: on holiday and then then this weather comes through and

1380
01:05:23,933 --> 01:05:27,773
Speaker 2: then you've really then then you are experiencing what our

1381
01:05:27,813 --> 01:05:31,053
Speaker 2: ancestors just experienced a lot. You just you're just battling

1382
01:05:31,053 --> 01:05:33,533
Speaker 2: to survive very much.

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Speaker 5: So once again I have to give you a.

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Speaker 3: Gold medal, two gold medals. He's not going to get

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Speaker 3: out of the door.

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Speaker 2: John, Why can't I get three gold medals? John? Immediately

1387
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Speaker 2: find something to complain about, kol John.

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Speaker 3: You're a good dad. Now, I mentioned quickly before. So

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Speaker 3: this book that I read about a year ago was

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Speaker 3: called The Comfort Crisis, written by a guy called Michael Easter,

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01:05:56,413 --> 01:05:58,133
Speaker 3: and just the wee blurb here, it sees, in many

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01:05:58,133 --> 01:06:00,253
Speaker 3: ways we're more comfortable than we've ever been before, but

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01:06:00,293 --> 01:06:04,053
Speaker 3: cut our shouted, temperate, controlled, overfeared, under challenged lives actually

1394
01:06:04,053 --> 01:06:06,733
Speaker 3: be leading the leading cause of many are of our

1395
01:06:06,733 --> 01:06:09,373
Speaker 3: most urgent physical and mental health. And it is a

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01:06:09,373 --> 01:06:11,853
Speaker 3: fantastic read. But there was a chapter on boardom that

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Speaker 3: get your thoughts on that, and I think I struggle

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01:06:14,733 --> 01:06:18,333
Speaker 3: with this. But we we have so many things that

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01:06:18,373 --> 01:06:20,893
Speaker 3: are going well for us that we can't even sit

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Speaker 3: with our own thoughts and be bored without it stressing

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Speaker 3: ourselves out.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you mean you mean the phenomenon of running

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01:06:29,053 --> 01:06:31,133
Speaker 2: around to find a phone before you go to the

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01:06:31,173 --> 01:06:33,453
Speaker 2: toilet because you couldn't stand just to do your business

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01:06:33,533 --> 01:06:35,453
Speaker 2: without having something to entertain you at the same time.

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Speaker 3: Yep, exactly.

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Speaker 2: Or I often think about this sitting down to eat dinner,

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01:06:40,133 --> 01:06:42,093
Speaker 2: and dinner isn't good good enough for people, so they

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01:06:42,093 --> 01:06:43,693
Speaker 2: have they about to eat dinner. They go, no, no, I

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01:06:43,733 --> 01:06:46,013
Speaker 2: need to get the right Netflix show on to entertain

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01:06:46,093 --> 01:06:49,733
Speaker 2: me while I'm eating dinner. As if eating a beautiful

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01:06:49,893 --> 01:06:53,413
Speaker 2: prepared meal isn't enough entertainment for us right now. You know,

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01:06:53,493 --> 01:06:56,333
Speaker 2: you try telling that to their ancestors. Getting a meal

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01:06:56,733 --> 01:06:59,453
Speaker 2: was all of it. Getting a meal was the meaning

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01:06:59,493 --> 01:07:01,253
Speaker 2: in life. You got that meal, you ate it, you

1416
01:07:01,293 --> 01:07:04,773
Speaker 2: focused on it, you enjoyed it. Now now delicious meal

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01:07:04,813 --> 01:07:06,613
Speaker 2: is not good enough for us? What's the latest thing

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01:07:06,653 --> 01:07:09,573
Speaker 2: on Netflix? Or scroll through the Flix. We used to

1419
01:07:09,613 --> 01:07:12,373
Speaker 2: have to troll around trolls, not the world, but we

1420
01:07:12,453 --> 01:07:15,533
Speaker 2: used to have to hunt and gather. And now what

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01:07:15,573 --> 01:07:18,453
Speaker 2: we do is we just scroll through Netflix trying to

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Speaker 2: find something.

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Speaker 3: To what and how crazy is that? O one hundred

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01:07:21,173 --> 01:07:23,853
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty is the number to call? Why

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01:07:23,893 --> 01:07:26,133
Speaker 3: are we so ungrateful in twenty twenty five when things

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01:07:26,133 --> 01:07:28,133
Speaker 3: have never been so good? The evidence would show that

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Speaker 3: love to hear your thoughts and if you do feel

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01:07:30,933 --> 01:07:32,533
Speaker 3: that life is a bit rough at the moment. We'd

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01:07:32,573 --> 01:07:34,573
Speaker 3: love to hear from you. Why why are things so

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01:07:34,693 --> 01:07:37,893
Speaker 3: bad now? Nineteen ninety two is a text number. It

1431
01:07:38,173 --> 01:07:39,453
Speaker 3: is nineteen to.

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Speaker 1: Three Matt Heath, Tylor Adams taking your calls on oh,

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01:07:43,813 --> 01:07:46,133
Speaker 1: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, it's Matt Heath and

1434
01:07:46,173 --> 01:07:48,413
Speaker 1: Tyler Adams afternoons news talks.

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Speaker 3: They'd be sixteen to three. So Matt thinks we all

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01:07:51,533 --> 01:07:54,493
Speaker 3: need to collectively have a we stop and think about

1437
01:07:54,533 --> 01:07:56,493
Speaker 3: how good life is in twenty twenty five when you

1438
01:07:56,533 --> 01:07:58,893
Speaker 3: consider what our ancestors went through to make sure that

1439
01:07:58,933 --> 01:08:01,533
Speaker 3: we're alive today and have the luxuries we've got.

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01:08:01,493 --> 01:08:04,213
Speaker 2: This Texas says Sawan says, guys, we win because we

1441
01:08:04,253 --> 01:08:06,493
Speaker 2: have it easy. When you and all your family and

1442
01:08:06,533 --> 01:08:09,493
Speaker 2: friends are literally starving, you're less inclined to winge about

1443
01:08:09,493 --> 01:08:13,013
Speaker 2: it LeAnn Lawson or the Auckland trains run. Oh yes,

1444
01:08:13,733 --> 01:08:16,772
Speaker 2: inclined to winch about Lian Lawson or the trains running late.

1445
01:08:17,093 --> 01:08:19,732
Speaker 2: So there's been a lot of support for my punishing rant,

1446
01:08:19,853 --> 01:08:21,412
Speaker 2: But Frank disagrees with me.

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01:08:22,492 --> 01:08:26,293
Speaker 11: Yeah, definitely made a load of dribble. Note look at

1448
01:08:26,412 --> 01:08:29,692
Speaker 11: ancestors after at the end of the day when we're

1449
01:08:29,692 --> 01:08:33,612
Speaker 11: sitting around, they had imagination about improvement. That's what it's

1450
01:08:33,612 --> 01:08:37,612
Speaker 11: all about, evolution. And every night, you know, they would

1451
01:08:37,612 --> 01:08:39,892
Speaker 11: do what the birds do. We have a bit of

1452
01:08:39,893 --> 01:08:43,133
Speaker 11: a thing in a happiness and at the end of

1453
01:08:43,133 --> 01:08:45,412
Speaker 11: the day and in the morning they wake up and

1454
01:08:45,412 --> 01:08:48,573
Speaker 11: do what the dudes do again. Yeah, it's praise of existence.

1455
01:08:48,933 --> 01:08:52,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, so how does this? How does this just just quickly?

1456
01:08:52,293 --> 01:08:54,412
Speaker 2: How is that? Disagreeing with that? Seems to be agreeing

1457
01:08:54,412 --> 01:08:55,133
Speaker 2: with what I was saying.

1458
01:08:57,093 --> 01:08:59,213
Speaker 11: No, I'm not. So We've got lots to complain about.

1459
01:08:59,732 --> 01:09:01,492
Speaker 2: We've got lots to complain about now, I've.

1460
01:09:01,333 --> 01:09:05,852
Speaker 11: Got corruption, We've got greed, We've got just stupid stuff

1461
01:09:05,973 --> 01:09:08,933
Speaker 11: going on, you know. Just the saving to be a

1462
01:09:08,973 --> 01:09:15,492
Speaker 11: country selling off all their ess heads is fabric of

1463
01:09:15,532 --> 01:09:18,652
Speaker 11: the society is being destroyed. It's all about greed and

1464
01:09:19,372 --> 01:09:22,293
Speaker 11: money now, it's not about having your next ad and stuff.

1465
01:09:22,333 --> 01:09:23,612
Speaker 2: Frank, have you got enough to eat?

1466
01:09:24,732 --> 01:09:24,972
Speaker 11: Yeah?

1467
01:09:25,173 --> 01:09:28,412
Speaker 2: Have you got a roof over your head? Have you

1468
01:09:28,452 --> 01:09:29,572
Speaker 2: got the bubonic plague?

1469
01:09:32,093 --> 01:09:32,293
Speaker 11: No?

1470
01:09:32,973 --> 01:09:34,652
Speaker 2: So you're doing better than summon history.

1471
01:09:35,933 --> 01:09:39,452
Speaker 11: Oh, let's just stop gor It's just pathetic, mate. Look,

1472
01:09:39,572 --> 01:09:43,293
Speaker 11: we were enslaved anyway, and I've got a new class

1473
01:09:43,333 --> 01:09:45,252
Speaker 11: of slavey being created.

1474
01:09:45,933 --> 01:09:49,372
Speaker 2: But you know, are you enslaved? Are you enslaved? Frank?

1475
01:09:50,692 --> 01:09:50,892
Speaker 11: Yeah?

1476
01:09:50,933 --> 01:09:54,812
Speaker 2: I believe so Okay, So what what are the what

1477
01:09:54,853 --> 01:09:56,892
Speaker 2: are the tenets of your enslavement? Frank?

1478
01:09:57,853 --> 01:10:00,812
Speaker 11: Well, I'm paying my way and paying Texas and stuff.

1479
01:10:00,853 --> 01:10:05,772
Speaker 11: And we've got absolute idiots running a country and it's

1480
01:10:05,772 --> 01:10:10,333
Speaker 11: designed to do what it's doing, take and to give

1481
01:10:10,372 --> 01:10:11,572
Speaker 11: away and all the rest of it.

1482
01:10:12,013 --> 01:10:14,133
Speaker 2: So would you rather believe in the would you? Frank?

1483
01:10:14,173 --> 01:10:17,053
Speaker 2: Would you rather live? Saying the ice age? When you've

1484
01:10:17,093 --> 01:10:19,692
Speaker 2: got nothing but animal skins to keep you warm from

1485
01:10:19,732 --> 01:10:23,012
Speaker 2: the freezing cold, you're out hunting a wooly memmoth and

1486
01:10:23,372 --> 01:10:27,213
Speaker 2: you know fifty percent of the population doesn't make it

1487
01:10:27,213 --> 01:10:27,893
Speaker 2: to adulthood.

1488
01:10:29,732 --> 01:10:33,452
Speaker 11: No, that's just pathetic, mak We exist because.

1489
01:10:33,412 --> 01:10:35,412
Speaker 2: It was pretty awesome that they managed to survive. That

1490
01:10:35,652 --> 01:10:37,372
Speaker 2: you think they're pathetic or you think I'm pathetic.

1491
01:10:38,692 --> 01:10:42,093
Speaker 11: What you were trying to point out to put me there,

1492
01:10:42,293 --> 01:10:43,732
Speaker 11: I'm saying, I'm not going to put you down.

1493
01:10:43,732 --> 01:10:46,132
Speaker 2: I'm just asking you questions on your on your opinion.

1494
01:10:46,372 --> 01:10:49,452
Speaker 11: I'm trying to answer, if you allow me, we exist

1495
01:10:49,492 --> 01:10:53,772
Speaker 11: because all my ancestors were survive as animals of the

1496
01:10:53,772 --> 01:10:58,173
Speaker 11: ice ages. Yeah, survived, the servisi survived. Yeah, Okay, that's

1497
01:10:58,213 --> 01:11:02,852
Speaker 11: the point of the knowledge and all their wisdom and

1498
01:11:02,853 --> 01:11:05,972
Speaker 11: all the rest of it. Yep, it's you look around

1499
01:11:06,013 --> 01:11:09,212
Speaker 11: and it's said. It's said because it's not being used,

1500
01:11:09,532 --> 01:11:13,133
Speaker 11: it's being corrupt and down and the education.

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01:11:13,372 --> 01:11:15,452
Speaker 2: I think we're in agreement, Frank. I don't think you're

1502
01:11:15,492 --> 01:11:18,293
Speaker 2: saying anything. I think you're saying exactly what I'm saying

1503
01:11:18,293 --> 01:11:22,372
Speaker 2: in a slightly roundabout way. I think I think we're

1504
01:11:22,412 --> 01:11:26,652
Speaker 2: in a total agreement. I'm not sure at.

1505
01:11:26,612 --> 01:11:31,093
Speaker 11: The government, Look, the system comply is just pathetic. You know,

1506
01:11:31,253 --> 01:11:33,213
Speaker 11: let's just get rid of the government system.

1507
01:11:33,253 --> 01:11:35,253
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, Okay, Frank, I get it. So, yeah,

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01:11:35,293 --> 01:11:37,772
Speaker 2: I think that's yeah. And I see what you're saying. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so you're saying you agree with me on all the history,

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01:11:40,732 --> 01:11:42,892
Speaker 2: and you're saying that it was amazingly struggle of our

1511
01:11:42,933 --> 01:11:46,572
Speaker 2: ancestors to get here, but you think it's pathetic wherewith

1512
01:11:47,612 --> 01:11:49,412
Speaker 2: ended up, and that there was plenty of stuff to

1513
01:11:49,452 --> 01:11:53,133
Speaker 2: complain about now and that the system has taken away

1514
01:11:53,213 --> 01:11:55,892
Speaker 2: really what it is to be human, which which was

1515
01:11:55,933 --> 01:11:56,893
Speaker 2: the struggle.

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01:11:57,173 --> 01:11:59,852
Speaker 11: In the treason where it was a sheep and it's

1517
01:11:59,893 --> 01:12:02,372
Speaker 11: called the Jui sheep. It was better than a dog,

1518
01:12:03,013 --> 01:12:05,133
Speaker 11: and it was happy and bouncy and stuff that led

1519
01:12:05,173 --> 01:12:09,572
Speaker 11: all the sheep to their depth a pet. Okay, that's

1520
01:12:09,612 --> 01:12:11,692
Speaker 11: what we're going on. Of all these happy clappers in

1521
01:12:11,732 --> 01:12:16,852
Speaker 11: these twets, the leading is on Mussolini, Stalin and Hitler.

1522
01:12:17,173 --> 01:12:20,812
Speaker 11: We're all noble Peace Prize nominees, and that's what they

1523
01:12:20,893 --> 01:12:24,452
Speaker 11: ended up doing. We've got idiots. Our whole system is

1524
01:12:25,173 --> 01:12:26,732
Speaker 11: created to be stuffed up.

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01:12:27,133 --> 01:12:29,692
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. So do you think you can take

1526
01:12:29,812 --> 01:12:32,213
Speaker 2: Do you think you can take inspiration from the struggle

1527
01:12:32,253 --> 01:12:35,612
Speaker 2: of our ancestors and now look around at the world

1528
01:12:35,612 --> 01:12:39,492
Speaker 2: and try and make it better for our species going forward?

1529
01:12:39,572 --> 01:12:41,172
Speaker 2: Did you think that's a noble cause?

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01:12:42,093 --> 01:12:44,293
Speaker 11: Well, I think industry and stuff. I think we should

1531
01:12:44,293 --> 01:12:47,213
Speaker 11: be able to afford to eat fish, eat eggs, eat

1532
01:12:47,253 --> 01:12:50,133
Speaker 11: well and all the rest of it, and have a

1533
01:12:50,213 --> 01:12:53,492
Speaker 11: one bank which is owned by the people for the people,

1534
01:12:53,772 --> 01:12:56,452
Speaker 11: and all the profits going to our hospitals and all

1535
01:12:56,492 --> 01:12:57,013
Speaker 11: the rest of it.

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01:12:57,133 --> 01:12:59,333
Speaker 2: But would you agree that you would you agree Frank,

1537
01:12:59,372 --> 01:13:04,053
Speaker 2: that your life is better than and easier, and it's

1538
01:13:04,093 --> 01:13:09,213
Speaker 2: easier to get food than say, for people living twenty

1539
01:13:09,213 --> 01:13:10,012
Speaker 2: thousand years ago.

1540
01:13:11,133 --> 01:13:17,572
Speaker 11: No, No, my parents, my grandparents are ashamed of what's

1541
01:13:18,213 --> 01:13:22,572
Speaker 11: the development or the process that's going on. They were

1542
01:13:23,213 --> 01:13:29,133
Speaker 11: all better off, Okay, after the wars, all the daggers,

1543
01:13:29,732 --> 01:13:32,012
Speaker 11: you know, came back. They knew what life was all about.

1544
01:13:32,093 --> 01:13:32,133
Speaker 15: That.

1545
01:13:32,612 --> 01:13:35,692
Speaker 2: Yeah, but some of them didn't have legs. Yeah, you know,

1546
01:13:35,893 --> 01:13:39,372
Speaker 2: and I think you know, post war, you know, there

1547
01:13:39,412 --> 01:13:41,853
Speaker 2: was definitely post war people had a lot of perspective

1548
01:13:41,853 --> 01:13:44,732
Speaker 2: because they'd seen absolute horrors, and I think a lot

1549
01:13:44,732 --> 01:13:47,492
Speaker 2: of them were happy to be somewhere where they could

1550
01:13:47,532 --> 01:13:50,812
Speaker 2: create something and work on something and lean into family

1551
01:13:50,853 --> 01:13:53,612
Speaker 2: and such. Yeah, those that didn't have terrible PTSD, like

1552
01:13:53,652 --> 01:13:56,173
Speaker 2: my grandfather who basically didn't say anything after he got

1553
01:13:56,213 --> 01:13:56,732
Speaker 2: back from the war.

1554
01:13:56,893 --> 01:13:59,133
Speaker 3: Yeah. But I think that's two different things, right, is

1555
01:13:59,173 --> 01:14:02,932
Speaker 3: that the mental strength of the ancestors in the past,

1556
01:14:02,973 --> 01:14:06,012
Speaker 3: and even that not long in the past, fifty sixty

1557
01:14:06,053 --> 01:14:10,372
Speaker 3: seventy years ago. So arguab they were happier and more satisfied,

1558
01:14:10,372 --> 01:14:14,012
Speaker 3: even though things were harder because part of that struggle maybe,

1559
01:14:14,093 --> 01:14:16,933
Speaker 3: and part of I would argue community was probably a

1560
01:14:16,933 --> 01:14:19,013
Speaker 3: bit stronger than but part of that struggle is what

1561
01:14:19,053 --> 01:14:21,852
Speaker 3: we missed now, which makes us feel a bit more angry,

1562
01:14:21,893 --> 01:14:23,692
Speaker 3: a bit more wingy, a bit more anxious.

1563
01:14:24,053 --> 01:14:28,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get and look, I actually that was actually

1564
01:14:28,173 --> 01:14:30,652
Speaker 2: pretty I mean not actually it was deep from Frank

1565
01:14:30,692 --> 01:14:33,692
Speaker 2: because it does push the argument right at the end

1566
01:14:33,692 --> 01:14:35,652
Speaker 2: of it. There are things to complain about now, and

1567
01:14:35,692 --> 01:14:38,852
Speaker 2: there are things to make better. And so I guess

1568
01:14:38,893 --> 01:14:41,412
Speaker 2: what I'm saying is the things we're complaining about are

1569
01:14:41,452 --> 01:14:45,772
Speaker 2: the wrong things. If you're struggling to make your country

1570
01:14:45,772 --> 01:14:49,092
Speaker 2: a better place in your community and a better place

1571
01:14:49,133 --> 01:14:52,253
Speaker 2: for your family, and a better thing for the world,

1572
01:14:53,893 --> 01:14:58,253
Speaker 2: and you're complaining, you know, you're noticing problems and trying

1573
01:14:58,253 --> 01:15:01,253
Speaker 2: to fix them, then that's great. Then you're honoring the

1574
01:15:01,293 --> 01:15:02,613
Speaker 2: legacy of our ancestors.

1575
01:15:02,692 --> 01:15:04,372
Speaker 3: Frank was a fighter, no doubt about it.

1576
01:15:04,412 --> 01:15:07,053
Speaker 2: If you're just making up things to complain about and

1577
01:15:07,093 --> 01:15:09,572
Speaker 2: you're on social media and annoyed because someone has a

1578
01:15:09,732 --> 01:15:12,892
Speaker 2: flash of watch than you very different, then I'd say

1579
01:15:12,893 --> 01:15:15,333
Speaker 2: you're not honoring the struggle of our ancestors.

1580
01:15:15,412 --> 01:15:17,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, good discussion. Right, We're going to take more of

1581
01:15:17,213 --> 01:15:19,052
Speaker 3: your calls very shortly. It is nine to.

1582
01:15:19,013 --> 01:15:22,652
Speaker 1: Three, the issues that affect you and a bit of

1583
01:15:22,692 --> 01:15:26,652
Speaker 1: fun along the way. Mad Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons.

1584
01:15:26,213 --> 01:15:29,452
Speaker 3: News Talk said, be very good afternoon, give it is

1585
01:15:29,572 --> 01:15:32,732
Speaker 3: six to three. This has certainly got the text machine

1586
01:15:32,772 --> 01:15:34,452
Speaker 3: blowing up and we'd love to hear from you on

1587
01:15:34,572 --> 01:15:38,453
Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Are we as ungrateful

1588
01:15:38,492 --> 01:15:41,973
Speaker 3: as we've ever been? Or do people have a legitimate

1589
01:15:42,013 --> 01:15:44,093
Speaker 3: reason for for having a winch Oh eight hundred eighty

1590
01:15:44,133 --> 01:15:44,732
Speaker 3: ten eighty.

1591
01:15:46,253 --> 01:15:49,372
Speaker 2: Yeah, so boy, our boy, there's so much feedback coming through. Yeah,

1592
01:15:49,293 --> 01:15:54,373
Speaker 2: we screwed it ourselves because we are our fear bearers.

1593
01:15:54,893 --> 01:15:57,612
Speaker 2: For bearers made things easy. Look at kids now, they

1594
01:15:57,652 --> 01:16:00,133
Speaker 2: can afford energy, drink, sweets, junk food to name a few.

1595
01:16:00,213 --> 01:16:02,293
Speaker 2: Do they earn it? I doubt it. Various garments have

1596
01:16:02,333 --> 01:16:05,093
Speaker 2: made it too easy to live without contributing, not to mention,

1597
01:16:05,213 --> 01:16:08,572
Speaker 2: we can't live without sky, KFC takeaways phones. You need

1598
01:16:08,612 --> 01:16:11,492
Speaker 2: a little hardness to create enjoyment in your life from Clive,

1599
01:16:12,053 --> 01:16:15,092
Speaker 2: A lot of truth to that. Yeah, yeah, Pat, welcome

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01:16:15,093 --> 01:16:15,452
Speaker 2: to the show.

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01:16:16,013 --> 01:16:18,932
Speaker 18: Ye oh, good afternoon, gentlemen. You're getting it from all

1602
01:16:18,973 --> 01:16:26,052
Speaker 18: angles today. I don't usually watch the Cask a Teer program,

1603
01:16:26,133 --> 01:16:30,013
Speaker 18: but a couple of weeks ago I did because I was.

1604
01:16:30,893 --> 01:16:32,652
Speaker 18: I thought it would be quite interesting to see them

1605
01:16:32,732 --> 01:16:36,772
Speaker 18: in India, and I'd be interesting to see if any

1606
01:16:36,812 --> 01:16:40,372
Speaker 18: of your listeners thought the same thing as I did

1607
01:16:40,372 --> 01:16:45,213
Speaker 18: when I saw the two main characters of Caska Tears

1608
01:16:46,093 --> 01:16:49,892
Speaker 18: handing out goals of whatever it was so with a

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01:16:49,893 --> 01:16:55,452
Speaker 18: couple of nun breads to the crowd of children who

1610
01:16:55,652 --> 01:17:01,333
Speaker 18: were absolutely over the moon. I'm so happy to be

1611
01:17:01,412 --> 01:17:06,092
Speaker 18: getting a bowl of whatever it was. And I thought,

1612
01:17:06,253 --> 01:17:09,173
Speaker 18: I wonder if when I was watching them that, I thought,

1613
01:17:09,652 --> 01:17:12,532
Speaker 18: I wonder what's going through their mind at this moment.

1614
01:17:12,692 --> 01:17:16,333
Speaker 18: Are they thinking, Gee, we don't have any poverty in

1615
01:17:16,333 --> 01:17:16,892
Speaker 18: New Zealand.

1616
01:17:18,492 --> 01:17:20,892
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting. I've spent a bit of time in

1617
01:17:20,893 --> 01:17:25,412
Speaker 2: India and it certainly puts things in perspective. Pat there's

1618
01:17:25,452 --> 01:17:26,892
Speaker 2: still burned into my memory.

1619
01:17:27,053 --> 01:17:27,133
Speaker 13: Was.

1620
01:17:27,213 --> 01:17:32,293
Speaker 2: I was driving in a chauffeur driven car to do

1621
01:17:33,412 --> 01:17:35,852
Speaker 2: and I saw these two they look like eight and

1622
01:17:35,933 --> 01:17:39,213
Speaker 2: seven year old brother and sister in a dump basically

1623
01:17:39,213 --> 01:17:41,652
Speaker 2: on the side of the road by themselves, and I

1624
01:17:41,692 --> 01:17:43,852
Speaker 2: sort of made eye contact with them, but we were

1625
01:17:43,893 --> 01:17:48,452
Speaker 2: speeding past, and it just actually shocked me because my

1626
01:17:48,492 --> 01:17:51,452
Speaker 2: kids are about that same age at that same time,

1627
01:17:51,532 --> 01:17:53,492
Speaker 2: and it made me think how much I worry about

1628
01:17:53,492 --> 01:17:55,053
Speaker 2: my kids, how they're going at school and all that

1629
01:17:55,133 --> 01:17:56,812
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. And then I was just thinking, these

1630
01:17:56,893 --> 01:18:00,692
Speaker 2: kids are growing up in a dump, and I think

1631
01:18:00,732 --> 01:18:04,253
Speaker 2: sometimes back here in New Zealand, we don't make that comparison.

1632
01:18:04,333 --> 01:18:05,652
Speaker 2: We don't what we don't.

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01:18:05,692 --> 01:18:07,852
Speaker 18: And I just wish that we wouldn't keep saying that

1634
01:18:07,893 --> 01:18:10,412
Speaker 18: we have got poverty in New Zealand, because I think

1635
01:18:10,452 --> 01:18:12,892
Speaker 18: we need to wash that right out of our heads.

1636
01:18:12,973 --> 01:18:14,852
Speaker 18: We do not have poverty in New Zealand.

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01:18:15,293 --> 01:18:16,932
Speaker 2: We've got to go. Sorry, Pat, thank you so much

1638
01:18:16,933 --> 01:18:20,133
Speaker 2: for your call. We've got the news coming in hot, hot, in.

1639
01:18:20,093 --> 01:18:21,812
Speaker 3: Heavy yet, but so many people will have a chat

1640
01:18:21,853 --> 01:18:25,092
Speaker 3: about this, so we'll keep it going after three o'clock.

1641
01:18:25,133 --> 01:18:27,093
Speaker 3: If you want to jump in, you're more than welcome.

1642
01:18:27,093 --> 01:18:28,852
Speaker 3: Oh wait, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

1643
01:18:28,933 --> 01:18:31,372
Speaker 3: number to call. We've got fall lines, but keep on

1644
01:18:31,452 --> 01:18:33,412
Speaker 3: trying if you want to tax nine two ninety two

1645
01:18:33,492 --> 01:18:35,372
Speaker 3: is that number. New Sport and Weather on its way.

1646
01:18:37,412 --> 01:18:41,933
Speaker 1: Your new homes are instal and Entertaining talk. It's Mattie

1647
01:18:41,973 --> 01:18:45,532
Speaker 1: and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk Savvy.

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01:18:46,253 --> 01:18:50,333
Speaker 3: It's good afternoon. Welcome back into the program. So, as

1649
01:18:50,372 --> 01:18:52,173
Speaker 3: we said before the news, we're going to carry this

1650
01:18:52,213 --> 01:18:54,452
Speaker 3: song because so many people want to jump in on

1651
01:18:54,492 --> 01:18:55,173
Speaker 3: this conversation.

1652
01:18:55,452 --> 01:18:57,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, and also it seemed a bit vacuous to go

1653
01:18:57,213 --> 01:19:00,293
Speaker 2: to our other conversation, which was being a fashion victim.

1654
01:19:01,732 --> 01:19:03,293
Speaker 2: Fashion decisions that you've made.

1655
01:19:03,452 --> 01:19:05,452
Speaker 3: We'll bring it back another day. Maybe tight pants that

1656
01:19:05,492 --> 01:19:05,812
Speaker 3: give you.

1657
01:19:07,213 --> 01:19:10,013
Speaker 2: Well, maybe we'll get to that at half past. So

1658
01:19:10,612 --> 01:19:14,372
Speaker 2: just to recap summary, please, I punished the listenership with

1659
01:19:14,772 --> 01:19:19,693
Speaker 2: a diatribe, a manifesto. No, it was just a diatribe

1660
01:19:20,253 --> 01:19:21,692
Speaker 2: that I wrote in the middle of the night last

1661
01:19:21,772 --> 01:19:25,932
Speaker 2: night after watching a documentary on the totality of human

1662
01:19:26,013 --> 01:19:30,093
Speaker 2: history and the struggle that led to us existing today.

1663
01:19:30,692 --> 01:19:33,772
Speaker 2: And the basic tenet of it was for almost all

1664
01:19:33,812 --> 01:19:36,892
Speaker 2: of human history, survival meant constant hunger, disease, and violence.

1665
01:19:36,973 --> 01:19:40,013
Speaker 2: Yet our ancestors endured and prevailed so we could live

1666
01:19:40,053 --> 01:19:45,213
Speaker 2: an unprecedented safety and abundance today by any historical measure,

1667
01:19:45,293 --> 01:19:48,093
Speaker 2: Modern New Zealanders and most people worldwide, enjoy comforts and

1668
01:19:48,133 --> 01:19:53,053
Speaker 2: opportunities unimaginable to those who came before us. Instead of insistent,

1669
01:19:53,253 --> 01:19:57,692
Speaker 2: incessant complaining, we owe our forebears gratitude and should honor

1670
01:19:57,732 --> 01:20:00,053
Speaker 2: their struggle by appreciating what we have and striving to

1671
01:20:00,093 --> 01:20:04,772
Speaker 2: build even more for future generations. Basically, I was saying

1672
01:20:04,893 --> 01:20:08,333
Speaker 2: that it used to be so hard, and you've got

1673
01:20:08,492 --> 01:20:12,813
Speaker 2: thousands of ancestors that stood up and fought and struggled

1674
01:20:12,853 --> 01:20:15,372
Speaker 2: to feed their families so you could exist today. And

1675
01:20:15,452 --> 01:20:18,012
Speaker 2: yet we seem to be complaining more and more than

1676
01:20:18,093 --> 01:20:20,172
Speaker 2: ever as if we live in hard times.

1677
01:20:20,492 --> 01:20:22,772
Speaker 3: Bob has sent through a few texts today, and Bob,

1678
01:20:22,812 --> 01:20:24,053
Speaker 3: I'm going to read one out because I know that

1679
01:20:24,173 --> 01:20:26,532
Speaker 3: was making you a bit anxious. Guys, do we have

1680
01:20:26,612 --> 01:20:29,692
Speaker 3: low wage earners in our society today? What my parents

1681
01:20:29,692 --> 01:20:33,092
Speaker 3: spent twenty to twenty four dollars on cost five hundred

1682
01:20:33,133 --> 01:20:35,372
Speaker 3: to one thousand dollars a week today, And my parents

1683
01:20:35,452 --> 01:20:38,093
Speaker 3: had more of the important things than we have today.

1684
01:20:38,372 --> 01:20:40,452
Speaker 3: My parents are my ancestors. From Bob.

1685
01:20:40,772 --> 01:20:43,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that's an interesting point because and I thought

1686
01:20:43,253 --> 01:20:45,333
Speaker 2: Frank made a really good point if you were listening

1687
01:20:45,412 --> 01:20:47,692
Speaker 2: last hour that came through because just because things are

1688
01:20:47,732 --> 01:20:49,213
Speaker 2: easier now doesn't mean they're right.

1689
01:20:49,893 --> 01:20:50,893
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1690
01:20:50,973 --> 01:20:53,772
Speaker 2: So I think maybe if I was up tonight writing

1691
01:20:53,812 --> 01:20:55,812
Speaker 2: the rand on my ad to the end of it,

1692
01:20:55,973 --> 01:20:59,812
Speaker 2: that we should still be striving for even though things

1693
01:20:59,853 --> 01:21:02,013
Speaker 2: are easier than now, and there seems to be a

1694
01:21:02,053 --> 01:21:04,812
Speaker 2: lot of ungrateful people out for the sacrifice of their

1695
01:21:04,812 --> 01:21:07,772
Speaker 2: ancestors to get where they are, doesn't mean we should.

1696
01:21:08,093 --> 01:21:11,852
Speaker 2: Part of the being grateful should be continuing to strive

1697
01:21:11,973 --> 01:21:13,293
Speaker 2: to make the world a better place.

1698
01:21:13,372 --> 01:21:15,852
Speaker 3: Definitely, there's progress to be made, no doubt about that.

1699
01:21:15,853 --> 01:21:18,692
Speaker 3: But what I would say to Bob though, is, potentially

1700
01:21:18,732 --> 01:21:20,972
Speaker 3: you're quite right that what your parents could, what his

1701
01:21:20,973 --> 01:21:23,372
Speaker 3: parents could get for groceries compared to what it costs today.

1702
01:21:23,572 --> 01:21:24,852
Speaker 3: There's probably a lot of truth in that.

1703
01:21:24,973 --> 01:21:27,333
Speaker 2: But also, how come people with thin back then and

1704
01:21:27,452 --> 01:21:29,532
Speaker 2: people are so obese now.

1705
01:21:29,732 --> 01:21:32,333
Speaker 3: Well, that's the thing. I'm sure Bob. Your parents might

1706
01:21:32,333 --> 01:21:34,412
Speaker 3: have struggled to get certain cuts of meat they certainly

1707
01:21:34,652 --> 01:21:36,892
Speaker 3: wouldn't have been able to get due by chocolate, for example,

1708
01:21:37,013 --> 01:21:39,852
Speaker 3: the multitude of various things that we can buy at

1709
01:21:39,853 --> 01:21:43,452
Speaker 3: the supermarket, some expensive, some not so expensive. All that

1710
01:21:43,732 --> 01:21:45,732
Speaker 3: is that on offer because of the society that we've

1711
01:21:45,772 --> 01:21:48,372
Speaker 3: ended up on the struggle that Bob's parents, I imagine

1712
01:21:48,412 --> 01:21:50,652
Speaker 3: had to try and make sure they had maybe a

1713
01:21:50,732 --> 01:21:52,892
Speaker 3: nice cut of meat and some vegetables and all the

1714
01:21:52,933 --> 01:21:55,012
Speaker 3: rest that was a lot harder to get at that time,

1715
01:21:55,213 --> 01:21:56,333
Speaker 3: even if it was cheap.

1716
01:21:56,652 --> 01:22:02,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, Bob's parents the great ancestors I'm talking about, and

1717
01:22:02,412 --> 01:22:05,852
Speaker 2: their struggle to feed Bob is exactly what should be

1718
01:22:05,853 --> 01:22:08,333
Speaker 2: on it. Yeah, this text of CALSI is hard to

1719
01:22:08,372 --> 01:22:11,652
Speaker 2: times create strong men. Strong men create easy times. Easy

1720
01:22:11,692 --> 01:22:14,333
Speaker 2: times create weak men. Weak men create difficult times.

1721
01:22:14,372 --> 01:22:14,652
Speaker 3: Deep.

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01:22:14,812 --> 01:22:17,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like it. Quite a well known saying, but

1723
01:22:17,452 --> 01:22:21,812
Speaker 2: it seems to be the case. Sarah, Welcome to the show. Hi,

1724
01:22:22,333 --> 01:22:23,213
Speaker 2: how are you today?

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01:22:24,013 --> 01:22:24,253
Speaker 10: Good?

1726
01:22:24,293 --> 01:22:25,852
Speaker 2: Thank you you're feeling grateful?

1727
01:22:27,173 --> 01:22:27,492
Speaker 19: I am.

1728
01:22:27,572 --> 01:22:28,692
Speaker 20: I'm grateful every day.

1729
01:22:28,853 --> 01:22:29,013
Speaker 5: Good.

1730
01:22:31,532 --> 01:22:32,293
Speaker 10: Yeah, I was.

1731
01:22:32,572 --> 01:22:37,532
Speaker 20: I found it really interesting actually listening, and I do agree.

1732
01:22:37,572 --> 01:22:41,372
Speaker 20: I think I think the things that sort of get

1733
01:22:41,412 --> 01:22:49,372
Speaker 20: complained about nowadays seem insignificant in comparison to maybe some

1734
01:22:49,452 --> 01:22:51,972
Speaker 20: of our ancestors. But I don't think it's so much

1735
01:22:52,013 --> 01:22:55,412
Speaker 20: about the comparison, because I think it's all subjective, like

1736
01:22:55,532 --> 01:22:58,093
Speaker 20: we this is the world that we live in now,

1737
01:22:58,133 --> 01:23:00,532
Speaker 20: and so we don't, you know, because we're not living

1738
01:23:00,572 --> 01:23:05,532
Speaker 20: in what we might say as hard times in the past.

1739
01:23:05,772 --> 01:23:10,133
Speaker 20: Doesn't mean that our struggles today aren't relevant. But I

1740
01:23:10,133 --> 01:23:13,692
Speaker 20: do think it's not so much a generational thing. I

1741
01:23:13,732 --> 01:23:17,092
Speaker 20: think it's actually just some people just love to complain

1742
01:23:17,492 --> 01:23:20,812
Speaker 20: and some you know, I deal with so many different

1743
01:23:20,812 --> 01:23:23,012
Speaker 20: people on a day to day basis, and some people

1744
01:23:23,093 --> 01:23:24,772
Speaker 20: just have a problem for every solution.

1745
01:23:25,053 --> 01:23:27,253
Speaker 2: What work are you and if you don't mind me asking,

1746
01:23:27,293 --> 01:23:30,012
Speaker 2: Sarah that you deal with all these people, I work

1747
01:23:30,053 --> 01:23:31,452
Speaker 2: in sales, Okay, yep.

1748
01:23:32,652 --> 01:23:34,973
Speaker 20: Yeah, So a lot of different sort of walks of

1749
01:23:35,013 --> 01:23:41,492
Speaker 20: life and backgrounds. But I think it's important to you know,

1750
01:23:41,652 --> 01:23:46,093
Speaker 20: my children are all very grateful, and I think it's

1751
01:23:46,133 --> 01:23:48,692
Speaker 20: important for us as parents to take our children to

1752
01:23:48,812 --> 01:23:52,293
Speaker 20: find the good and each day because I think struggles

1753
01:23:52,293 --> 01:23:57,012
Speaker 20: are normal. Everyone has struggles in their life, and without them,

1754
01:23:57,572 --> 01:24:00,093
Speaker 20: you don't appreciate the best parts of your life with it.

1755
01:24:00,173 --> 01:24:02,133
Speaker 20: You know what, what's are high without a low?

1756
01:24:02,572 --> 01:24:03,133
Speaker 11: Yeah?

1757
01:24:03,732 --> 01:24:07,973
Speaker 2: So do you think the perspective might be the problem.

1758
01:24:09,133 --> 01:24:09,452
Speaker 7: In that?

1759
01:24:10,333 --> 01:24:13,492
Speaker 2: I guess in a way, what I'm saying is that

1760
01:24:13,853 --> 01:24:16,492
Speaker 2: it's hard to listen to people's complaints when you think

1761
01:24:16,532 --> 01:24:20,172
Speaker 2: that their ancestors did everything they could just to survive

1762
01:24:20,253 --> 01:24:23,532
Speaker 2: through a winter, to feed the children that then had

1763
01:24:23,532 --> 01:24:28,452
Speaker 2: the other children that led to here. So if you

1764
01:24:28,492 --> 01:24:31,812
Speaker 2: don't have that in mind, then maybe your problems in

1765
01:24:31,853 --> 01:24:35,452
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five seem more real than they actually are.

1766
01:24:37,333 --> 01:24:42,372
Speaker 20: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I think perspective is the problem, and

1767
01:24:42,452 --> 01:24:46,572
Speaker 20: I do agree, but I yeah, what I'm trying to

1768
01:24:46,572 --> 01:24:49,053
Speaker 20: say is, like, I think struggles are still real. You know,

1769
01:24:49,532 --> 01:24:51,813
Speaker 20: I know a lot of people that are currently struggling,

1770
01:24:52,013 --> 01:24:56,372
Speaker 20: and their struggles in comparison to struggling to survive the

1771
01:24:56,452 --> 01:25:04,652
Speaker 20: day or the night might seem you know, they might

1772
01:25:04,692 --> 01:25:07,812
Speaker 20: not seem as much of a struggle, but everyone is struggling,

1773
01:25:07,853 --> 01:25:10,852
Speaker 20: and I think perception is the key there as well.

1774
01:25:10,973 --> 01:25:12,732
Speaker 2: I want to sir, if that that it's in some

1775
01:25:12,853 --> 01:25:16,692
Speaker 2: ways they're struggling for meaning now. Because if your if

1776
01:25:16,732 --> 01:25:19,653
Speaker 2: your goal in life, as it was for our ancestors,

1777
01:25:19,732 --> 01:25:21,973
Speaker 2: was just to feed yourself and your family, or your

1778
01:25:22,013 --> 01:25:25,053
Speaker 2: family first than you, that was you found meaning in

1779
01:25:25,053 --> 01:25:27,253
Speaker 2: life once you once you got some, you got the

1780
01:25:27,333 --> 01:25:28,933
Speaker 2: mammoth down, and you hacked a bit off it and

1781
01:25:28,973 --> 01:25:31,532
Speaker 2: gave it to your kids, that was meaning. Whereas now

1782
01:25:31,572 --> 01:25:33,732
Speaker 2: it might be harder for your kids and you know,

1783
01:25:33,772 --> 01:25:35,053
Speaker 2: the people that you talk to day to day to

1784
01:25:35,053 --> 01:25:39,772
Speaker 2: actually find the purpose in life, and maybe that that

1785
01:25:39,853 --> 01:25:43,012
Speaker 2: makes things, you know, a struggle in their own right.

1786
01:25:44,772 --> 01:25:47,492
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean to me, Sarah it's it's the

1787
01:25:47,532 --> 01:25:51,772
Speaker 3: ability to avoid discomfort, right, and uncomfortable feelings or emotions.

1788
01:25:51,772 --> 01:25:54,372
Speaker 3: That's all I worry about with the younger generation and

1789
01:25:54,412 --> 01:25:56,692
Speaker 3: probably your kids as well, is that it is so

1790
01:25:56,853 --> 01:26:00,732
Speaker 3: easy to find things to distract you and avoid anything

1791
01:26:00,772 --> 01:26:04,293
Speaker 3: that makes you feel uncomfortable or anxious or emotional, that

1792
01:26:04,293 --> 01:26:06,253
Speaker 3: that is creating more of a problem. Where in the

1793
01:26:06,293 --> 01:26:08,293
Speaker 3: past we had to confront those things, we didn't have

1794
01:26:08,452 --> 01:26:12,053
Speaker 3: a choice, and through that confrontation and struggle we found

1795
01:26:12,133 --> 01:26:14,532
Speaker 3: some sort of meaning and enjoy isn't the right word,

1796
01:26:14,572 --> 01:26:17,492
Speaker 3: but certainly satisfaction. And it's now so easy to try

1797
01:26:17,492 --> 01:26:19,333
Speaker 3: and avoid that that it's making the problem worse.

1798
01:26:20,492 --> 01:26:23,772
Speaker 20: Yeah, absolutely, I agree, and I think yeah, I mean,

1799
01:26:24,452 --> 01:26:30,452
Speaker 20: I think my eldest daughter had a lot of you know,

1800
01:26:30,572 --> 01:26:34,932
Speaker 20: quite a bit of disappointment and what seemed to her

1801
01:26:35,133 --> 01:26:41,173
Speaker 20: to be quite a hard situation last year, and from that,

1802
01:26:41,253 --> 01:26:43,572
Speaker 20: I think it built a lot of resilience and she

1803
01:26:43,772 --> 01:26:47,412
Speaker 20: learned how to deal with those hard emotions and she

1804
01:26:48,452 --> 01:26:51,772
Speaker 20: used that to sort of for the better. This year,

1805
01:26:51,853 --> 01:26:54,212
Speaker 20: she's had an amazing year and it wouldn't have happened

1806
01:26:54,372 --> 01:26:57,372
Speaker 20: if she hadn't had those challenges last year.

1807
01:26:58,452 --> 01:27:03,652
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, Yeah, yeah, it's it's a complex one, isn't it.

1808
01:27:04,452 --> 01:27:04,612
Speaker 11: You know.

1809
01:27:04,732 --> 01:27:08,612
Speaker 2: I often think about the movie that Peter Jackson made,

1810
01:27:08,652 --> 01:27:11,012
Speaker 2: the documentary They Shall Not Go Old, and it had

1811
01:27:11,053 --> 01:27:14,412
Speaker 2: these young men and trenches and they're all smiling and smoking,

1812
01:27:14,933 --> 01:27:17,612
Speaker 2: and there's this there's this this book I read a

1813
01:27:17,652 --> 01:27:20,532
Speaker 2: lot of people read it called Sapiens by yvel Noah Harari,

1814
01:27:20,732 --> 01:27:24,013
Speaker 2: and he talks about the three slots of concern that

1815
01:27:24,053 --> 01:27:26,772
Speaker 2: we have, and no matter what condition you and you

1816
01:27:26,812 --> 01:27:28,893
Speaker 2: still find three things to worry about. We're evolved to

1817
01:27:28,933 --> 01:27:30,932
Speaker 2: worry about three things. So if you're in the trenches,

1818
01:27:30,973 --> 01:27:33,372
Speaker 2: you worry about getting blown up, you worry about trench foot,

1819
01:27:33,372 --> 01:27:35,532
Speaker 2: and you worry about your family at home. But if

1820
01:27:35,612 --> 01:27:38,253
Speaker 2: in the modern world, then you might fill those with

1821
01:27:38,333 --> 01:27:41,213
Speaker 2: different things. You might worry about where your career is going.

1822
01:27:41,572 --> 01:27:44,932
Speaker 2: You know what your girlfriend is doing, and you know

1823
01:27:46,253 --> 01:27:48,973
Speaker 2: whether you've got a cool enough car. You know you

1824
01:27:49,173 --> 01:27:52,692
Speaker 2: and those those concerns seem just as punishing and just

1825
01:27:52,732 --> 01:27:55,412
Speaker 2: as real, even though with a sense of perspective they

1826
01:27:55,253 --> 01:27:56,653
Speaker 2: may seem ridiculous.

1827
01:27:58,053 --> 01:28:00,612
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

1828
01:28:00,412 --> 01:28:02,452
Speaker 3: Sarah, thank you very much for giving us a buz.

1829
01:28:02,452 --> 01:28:03,253
Speaker 3: It's great to chat with you.

1830
01:28:04,173 --> 01:28:04,652
Speaker 20: Thank you.

1831
01:28:04,652 --> 01:28:07,572
Speaker 3: You too, Thank you all of this great afternoon. Just

1832
01:28:07,612 --> 01:28:11,093
Speaker 3: when you mention andreat New Zealand a serira, Yeah, fantastic.

1833
01:28:11,173 --> 01:28:15,612
Speaker 3: Just when you mentioned soldiers there and absolutely agree with

1834
01:28:15,652 --> 01:28:18,093
Speaker 3: what you said, and that was from sapience, wasn't it?

1835
01:28:18,173 --> 01:28:21,333
Speaker 3: Those three things? But from what I hear with soldiers

1836
01:28:21,372 --> 01:28:23,932
Speaker 3: as well, and modern day soldiers, right when they've been

1837
01:28:24,133 --> 01:28:27,133
Speaker 3: in the theater of war or serving overseas, they're part

1838
01:28:27,173 --> 01:28:30,812
Speaker 3: of that brotherhood and community and team, and a lot

1839
01:28:30,973 --> 01:28:34,372
Speaker 3: of those soldiers when they return home to normal life

1840
01:28:34,412 --> 01:28:37,333
Speaker 3: really struggle with that because they've lost effectively what is

1841
01:28:37,372 --> 01:28:40,772
Speaker 3: a tribe right, and probably that goes deeper too, they've

1842
01:28:40,812 --> 01:28:43,253
Speaker 3: lost their sense of meaning. It makes sense when they

1843
01:28:43,253 --> 01:28:45,892
Speaker 3: are serving overseas that they've got their mission and it

1844
01:28:45,973 --> 01:28:49,492
Speaker 3: is clear cut. They've got their team around them, their

1845
01:28:49,532 --> 01:28:51,973
Speaker 3: brothers and arms and women in arms, and then when

1846
01:28:52,013 --> 01:28:53,932
Speaker 3: they come back to the life that we're living now,

1847
01:28:54,053 --> 01:28:55,093
Speaker 3: they can't make sense of it.

1848
01:28:55,412 --> 01:28:55,612
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1849
01:28:55,812 --> 01:29:00,412
Speaker 2: I've did some speeches recently with Jamie Panell, who wrote

1850
01:29:00,412 --> 01:29:02,812
Speaker 2: the excellent box Serviceman Jay The Untold Story of a

1851
01:29:02,853 --> 01:29:05,012
Speaker 2: New Zealand Essays Soldier, and he was just talking about

1852
01:29:05,013 --> 01:29:08,893
Speaker 2: how odd it is to come back from those overseas cumstances,

1853
01:29:08,933 --> 01:29:10,612
Speaker 2: which are life and death. To then go into a

1854
01:29:10,692 --> 01:29:14,612
Speaker 2: dairy to buy, you know, a soft drink, and then

1855
01:29:14,652 --> 01:29:16,933
Speaker 2: listen to people complaining about little things.

1856
01:29:16,572 --> 01:29:19,772
Speaker 3: So jarre and you're just going whoa, yeah, yeah, oh.

1857
01:29:19,812 --> 01:29:21,492
Speaker 3: One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to

1858
01:29:21,572 --> 01:29:25,492
Speaker 3: call it. Seventeen pus three Very good afternoon, June twenty

1859
01:29:25,772 --> 01:29:27,093
Speaker 3: pass three.

1860
01:29:27,612 --> 01:29:30,772
Speaker 2: So we're talking about gratitude to our ancestors in the

1861
01:29:30,812 --> 01:29:33,812
Speaker 2: modern world, and when things are easier than they've ever been,

1862
01:29:33,853 --> 01:29:38,372
Speaker 2: why are we complaining so much? And tell you what

1863
01:29:38,532 --> 01:29:43,372
Speaker 2: the text machine is exploding certainly, is you sound like

1864
01:29:43,412 --> 01:29:46,253
Speaker 2: a righteous weasel that is deaf, dumb and blind. Well,

1865
01:29:46,572 --> 01:29:48,772
Speaker 2: in response to that text, if I was dumb, I

1866
01:29:48,812 --> 01:29:49,973
Speaker 2: wouldn't sound like anything, would I.

1867
01:29:50,253 --> 01:29:52,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, it'd be pretty tough to do this job if

1868
01:29:52,333 --> 01:29:52,932
Speaker 3: that was the case.

1869
01:29:53,053 --> 01:29:55,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I don't know how blind people sound.

1870
01:29:55,572 --> 01:29:58,612
Speaker 2: Some deaf people have a distinctive voice. Yeah, but yeah,

1871
01:29:58,612 --> 01:30:01,932
Speaker 2: thanks for you all your messages that are coming through. Mark,

1872
01:30:01,973 --> 01:30:02,692
Speaker 2: welcome to the show.

1873
01:30:03,772 --> 01:30:05,612
Speaker 16: Here come after Gah, are you good?

1874
01:30:05,812 --> 01:30:06,173
Speaker 2: Very good?

1875
01:30:06,933 --> 01:30:14,852
Speaker 16: It's good, Ques. I think'stically when you're that wars. There's poverty,

1876
01:30:14,853 --> 01:30:19,772
Speaker 16: there's greed that's been going on for centuries, that's been

1877
01:30:19,812 --> 01:30:25,133
Speaker 16: going on since the day manset foot on earth. It's

1878
01:30:25,253 --> 01:30:27,452
Speaker 16: like that it will ever change anything about it that

1879
01:30:27,853 --> 01:30:31,173
Speaker 16: during modern times, humanity as a species has only got

1880
01:30:31,173 --> 01:30:35,772
Speaker 16: better at it. I think when you when you're talking

1881
01:30:35,772 --> 01:30:40,093
Speaker 16: about the generations, that's how they lived. They didn't know

1882
01:30:40,133 --> 01:30:44,532
Speaker 16: anything better, but they bettered themselves and over the years

1883
01:30:44,973 --> 01:30:49,213
Speaker 16: they improved things they saw, you know, they made things better.

1884
01:30:49,452 --> 01:30:52,013
Speaker 16: You know, the greatest generations that we ever had in

1885
01:30:52,053 --> 01:30:54,933
Speaker 16: this country would have been the people that served in

1886
01:30:55,173 --> 01:30:58,093
Speaker 16: World War One and World War Two, and then the

1887
01:30:58,133 --> 01:31:02,093
Speaker 16: generations after that it was their children. You know, we've

1888
01:31:02,452 --> 01:31:06,093
Speaker 16: basically you look at society now, we've things are a

1889
01:31:06,133 --> 01:31:10,973
Speaker 16: lot easier now. But with the human nice everything, you know,

1890
01:31:11,053 --> 01:31:16,492
Speaker 16: from banking, from post office, from talking to people. You know,

1891
01:31:16,532 --> 01:31:19,892
Speaker 16: we don't go visit our neighbors anymore. How many people

1892
01:31:19,933 --> 01:31:25,012
Speaker 16: actually know their neighbors. Yeah, you know, we've humanized everything.

1893
01:31:25,093 --> 01:31:28,973
Speaker 16: Like I was born in the seventies, so I was

1894
01:31:29,053 --> 01:31:32,013
Speaker 16: raised in Dunedin, born on a farm. You know, you

1895
01:31:32,053 --> 01:31:35,372
Speaker 16: look at Dunedin now, how many big businesses and industries

1896
01:31:35,412 --> 01:31:39,452
Speaker 16: have left Dunedin. They're gone, you know, denied was a

1897
01:31:39,532 --> 01:31:42,532
Speaker 16: driving community. And as a kid growing up in the

1898
01:31:42,572 --> 01:31:45,852
Speaker 16: seventies and eighties and then we had the best time

1899
01:31:45,893 --> 01:31:48,692
Speaker 16: of our lives was in the nineties and in the

1900
01:31:48,772 --> 01:31:51,652
Speaker 16: late nineties and had two thousand. That's when the world

1901
01:31:51,692 --> 01:31:55,333
Speaker 16: started to evolve. That's when cell phones come out, emailing

1902
01:31:55,452 --> 01:31:59,492
Speaker 16: come out, you know, and we were installed with our

1903
01:31:59,492 --> 01:32:04,532
Speaker 16: work ethics from reliability and accountability. And you were raised

1904
01:32:04,612 --> 01:32:08,253
Speaker 16: because you saw that's how your parents were raised. Now

1905
01:32:08,333 --> 01:32:13,412
Speaker 16: are the biggest thing with society now is social media.

1906
01:32:14,372 --> 01:32:17,933
Speaker 16: Everything we do, we have in our lives, we have

1907
01:32:18,013 --> 01:32:21,852
Speaker 16: our kids, it's all done and run on social media. Mean,

1908
01:32:21,893 --> 01:32:24,412
Speaker 16: when you'd go in a whole school holiday when you're

1909
01:32:24,452 --> 01:32:27,132
Speaker 16: a kid, what's the most you would say the appearance

1910
01:32:27,173 --> 01:32:30,333
Speaker 16: are we there yet? And your pearans would talk to you. Now,

1911
01:32:30,372 --> 01:32:34,613
Speaker 16: what do we do with parents today? We shove electronics

1912
01:32:34,612 --> 01:32:37,452
Speaker 16: into our kid teens until you know, and I'm missing

1913
01:32:37,492 --> 01:32:38,053
Speaker 16: the best part.

1914
01:32:39,133 --> 01:32:41,692
Speaker 2: It is a thing what you say, Mark, because we

1915
01:32:41,732 --> 01:32:44,652
Speaker 2: talk about the generations, but each generation creates the next generation.

1916
01:32:44,772 --> 01:32:48,053
Speaker 2: So every generation has to take responsibility for how you know,

1917
01:32:48,253 --> 01:32:51,532
Speaker 2: we complain about you know, really young people today being

1918
01:32:52,333 --> 01:32:55,612
Speaker 2: weak or you know, emotionally vulnerable, but we've we've made

1919
01:32:55,652 --> 01:32:59,652
Speaker 2: them that way, perhaps try handing them iPads and and

1920
01:33:00,293 --> 01:33:03,173
Speaker 2: we have and shielding them from the pain. But also

1921
01:33:03,293 --> 01:33:05,612
Speaker 2: the wider thing that I think you're saying is just

1922
01:33:05,612 --> 01:33:09,692
Speaker 2: because things are easier doesn't mean that we're happier. So

1923
01:33:09,893 --> 01:33:15,013
Speaker 2: the struggle can actually give you meaning in life, if

1924
01:33:15,013 --> 01:33:16,772
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So when you're not when

1925
01:33:16,853 --> 01:33:18,812
Speaker 2: you're not seeing people, so you have all these things

1926
01:33:18,812 --> 01:33:22,212
Speaker 2: that are easy and at your fingertips, but what actually

1927
01:33:22,213 --> 01:33:24,412
Speaker 2: makes us happy is spending time with our neighbors, and

1928
01:33:24,612 --> 01:33:27,973
Speaker 2: it is, you know, working with people towards something and

1929
01:33:28,372 --> 01:33:31,293
Speaker 2: having a purpose. So just because it seems that as

1930
01:33:31,333 --> 01:33:33,572
Speaker 2: things get easier, people get more and more miserable, I

1931
01:33:33,572 --> 01:33:34,492
Speaker 2: guess is what I'm saying.

1932
01:33:35,572 --> 01:33:39,412
Speaker 16: Well, we've lost that human touch, and we're allowed Section

1933
01:33:39,612 --> 01:33:43,652
Speaker 16: society to dumbest down and to dumb the next generations down.

1934
01:33:43,692 --> 01:33:48,452
Speaker 16: We're allowed Section society to say it's okay, it's okay

1935
01:33:48,492 --> 01:33:51,133
Speaker 16: to lose all the time. It's okay if you get

1936
01:33:51,133 --> 01:33:53,133
Speaker 16: thirteenth place, we'll give you a medal for that sort

1937
01:33:53,173 --> 01:33:56,133
Speaker 16: of stuff. We've got. It's not just that, but you've

1938
01:33:56,173 --> 01:33:58,612
Speaker 16: got generations of today like my daughter's twenty and her

1939
01:33:58,612 --> 01:34:00,652
Speaker 16: biggest fear is that she's not going to be able

1940
01:34:00,652 --> 01:34:03,373
Speaker 16: to buy a house because she's seen the generations before,

1941
01:34:03,812 --> 01:34:06,972
Speaker 16: how you could have one parent working and a mom

1942
01:34:07,093 --> 01:34:07,732
Speaker 16: stay home mum.

1943
01:34:07,772 --> 01:34:08,692
Speaker 10: And that was my mum.

1944
01:34:08,812 --> 01:34:12,772
Speaker 16: And now things have changed. Things have got greedy, like

1945
01:34:12,893 --> 01:34:15,452
Speaker 16: you could go to the go to the dairy. Now

1946
01:34:15,612 --> 01:34:18,692
Speaker 16: remember when you spent a dollar things? But then people

1947
01:34:18,732 --> 01:34:21,572
Speaker 16: had meaning, we had pride, We had great leaders that

1948
01:34:21,772 --> 01:34:25,732
Speaker 16: kept this informed. We didn't shun people with intelligence or

1949
01:34:25,772 --> 01:34:29,013
Speaker 16: that wanted to make things better. Now it seems to

1950
01:34:29,053 --> 01:34:31,692
Speaker 16: be we have a society where you can pretend to

1951
01:34:31,732 --> 01:34:34,532
Speaker 16: be everything, you can pretend to be someone that you're

1952
01:34:34,572 --> 01:34:38,092
Speaker 16: actually not, and it's acceptable. You know, we're raising kids.

1953
01:34:38,173 --> 01:34:44,013
Speaker 16: We're raising kids to basically, look, you can pretend if

1954
01:34:44,013 --> 01:34:47,652
Speaker 16: you fail, it's okay. You know we're we're it's you know.

1955
01:34:47,772 --> 01:34:51,492
Speaker 16: Look take Anzac Day for an example. Now, Anzac Day,

1956
01:34:51,532 --> 01:34:53,333
Speaker 16: you go on Facebook and social media.

1957
01:34:53,812 --> 01:34:54,532
Speaker 10: Anzac Day.

1958
01:34:54,572 --> 01:34:57,452
Speaker 16: There's two things that I was really upset about because

1959
01:34:57,452 --> 01:35:02,212
Speaker 16: my family served them both World Wars and Korea. Anzac

1960
01:35:02,333 --> 01:35:05,732
Speaker 16: Day on social media and Facebook was that it seemed

1961
01:35:05,732 --> 01:35:07,932
Speaker 16: to be acceptable and okay to go on about two things.

1962
01:35:08,412 --> 01:35:11,013
Speaker 16: Exact day was a glorified war. We shouldn't be having it.

1963
01:35:11,253 --> 01:35:13,973
Speaker 16: And there was a whole race issue going on a

1964
01:35:14,093 --> 01:35:16,093
Speaker 16: border and the MOLDI how the Maldy people and all

1965
01:35:16,133 --> 01:35:19,293
Speaker 16: this and that how they were mistreated. The whole focus

1966
01:35:19,412 --> 01:35:22,133
Speaker 16: was taken off. That we were anzects, we were one.

1967
01:35:22,492 --> 01:35:25,012
Speaker 16: We did it for a purpose, didn't matter what color

1968
01:35:25,093 --> 01:35:27,732
Speaker 16: your skin was, or what race you were and anything.

1969
01:35:27,933 --> 01:35:31,173
Speaker 16: But now we've you understand where I'm coming from, it

1970
01:35:31,173 --> 01:35:35,812
Speaker 16: seems okay to Yeah, it's it's very disheartening because I

1971
01:35:35,853 --> 01:35:39,253
Speaker 16: grew up in an era where I saw it was

1972
01:35:39,293 --> 01:35:42,412
Speaker 16: what it was, You told people how it was. We

1973
01:35:42,492 --> 01:35:46,293
Speaker 16: didn't get offended. Now we get offended about everything.

1974
01:35:47,053 --> 01:35:49,652
Speaker 3: And yeah, to go to the break, I get what

1975
01:35:49,692 --> 01:35:51,652
Speaker 3: he's saying about community. It does feel like we've trapped

1976
01:35:51,652 --> 01:35:54,173
Speaker 3: ourselves in this gilded cage. That it's it's easier than

1977
01:35:54,173 --> 01:35:57,133
Speaker 3: it's ever been to so called connect with people. But

1978
01:35:57,173 --> 01:36:00,093
Speaker 3: that connection is fake, isn't it. It's a weak fact

1979
01:36:00,093 --> 01:36:02,652
Speaker 3: simile of what it is to build a relationship. And

1980
01:36:02,772 --> 01:36:03,093
Speaker 3: that's hot.

1981
01:36:03,253 --> 01:36:05,492
Speaker 2: It's sorry to cut you off, Mark, but we are

1982
01:36:05,572 --> 01:36:07,972
Speaker 2: very late for this head break and got away.

1983
01:36:08,013 --> 01:36:11,452
Speaker 3: We see twenty seven pass three.

1984
01:36:14,333 --> 01:36:17,772
Speaker 1: Mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call Oh eight hundred and

1985
01:36:17,772 --> 01:36:20,692
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on news Talk ZBS.

1986
01:36:20,093 --> 01:36:21,773
Speaker 3: Twenty nine past three.

1987
01:36:21,812 --> 01:36:24,532
Speaker 2: This Texas says, I'm so grateful. I remind my kids

1988
01:36:24,532 --> 01:36:28,213
Speaker 2: and husband constantly how lucky they are. My grandmother had

1989
01:36:28,612 --> 01:36:32,092
Speaker 2: had children, then fled the Nazis. Oh sorry, my grandmother

1990
01:36:32,133 --> 01:36:36,333
Speaker 2: fled the Russian Revolution through Europe into Romania. He married,

1991
01:36:36,333 --> 01:36:39,773
Speaker 2: My grandmother, had children, then fled the Nazis into Yugoslavia

1992
01:36:39,853 --> 01:36:42,173
Speaker 2: during World War Two. My grandmother was killed in a

1993
01:36:42,173 --> 01:36:45,092
Speaker 2: concentration camp because she was a Gypsy. My grandfather also

1994
01:36:45,133 --> 01:36:47,972
Speaker 2: died as a result of shrapnel during bombing. My father

1995
01:36:48,013 --> 01:36:50,893
Speaker 2: came to New Zealand in nineteen fifty as a child refugee.

1996
01:36:51,093 --> 01:36:53,492
Speaker 2: As a fourteen year old, he spoke no English and

1997
01:36:53,492 --> 01:36:55,692
Speaker 2: couldn't read or write. He taught himself and ended up

1998
01:36:55,692 --> 01:36:58,612
Speaker 2: as an engineer. I am so grateful for all their bravery.

1999
01:36:58,973 --> 01:36:59,173
Speaker 7: Man.

2000
01:36:59,293 --> 01:37:01,013
Speaker 3: That puts things into perspective, doesn't it.

2001
01:37:01,173 --> 01:37:03,852
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, that's someone that's appreciating the struggle of their

2002
01:37:03,853 --> 01:37:07,293
Speaker 2: ancestors to get them there. Yeah, And I guess that's

2003
01:37:07,333 --> 01:37:09,492
Speaker 2: the wider point I'm trying to make that if you

2004
01:37:09,532 --> 01:37:12,532
Speaker 2: concentrate on that it's you might question what you're complaining

2005
01:37:12,572 --> 01:37:15,892
Speaker 2: about now and maybe just ask is this the most

2006
01:37:15,893 --> 01:37:18,013
Speaker 2: important thing to be complaining about now or could I

2007
01:37:18,013 --> 01:37:19,852
Speaker 2: be finding some way to help make the world a

2008
01:37:19,853 --> 01:37:23,092
Speaker 2: better place for myself, my family, my community in the country.

2009
01:37:23,213 --> 01:37:26,172
Speaker 3: Yeah, nicely said right, We're horribly late for the headline

2010
01:37:26,173 --> 01:37:29,732
Speaker 3: that Raylene is standing by. It is bang on three

2011
01:37:29,732 --> 01:37:30,173
Speaker 3: point thirty.

2012
01:37:33,133 --> 01:37:35,532
Speaker 7: You talk said the headlines.

2013
01:37:35,093 --> 01:37:38,333
Speaker 14: With blue bubble taxis it's no trouble with a blue bubble.

2014
01:37:38,772 --> 01:37:42,213
Speaker 14: The Greens say rates are rising because of under investment,

2015
01:37:42,293 --> 01:37:46,733
Speaker 14: which the government's making worse. The parties defending local councils

2016
01:37:47,013 --> 01:37:50,452
Speaker 14: against a coalition call to save money by making hard

2017
01:37:50,492 --> 01:37:55,372
Speaker 14: decisions on spending and focus on simplicity. Five hundred lab

2018
01:37:55,412 --> 01:37:58,412
Speaker 14: work is employed by Awanui will be getting an average

2019
01:37:58,532 --> 01:38:02,173
Speaker 14: nine percent pay rise ending six months of strike action.

2020
01:38:03,133 --> 01:38:06,452
Speaker 14: A medical expert says malatonin is not a sedative drug

2021
01:38:06,572 --> 01:38:10,652
Speaker 14: or a sleeping pill and helps regulate body clocks. This

2022
01:38:10,732 --> 01:38:13,652
Speaker 14: after Kiwi Rail has told staff they must report any

2023
01:38:13,772 --> 01:38:17,532
Speaker 14: use of sleeping meds for safety reasons. Some shift workers

2024
01:38:17,612 --> 01:38:21,892
Speaker 14: use meds to get sleep despite rostering issues. What Anger

2025
01:38:21,933 --> 01:38:25,532
Speaker 14: tamadikis promising to focus on better supporting kids in need

2026
01:38:25,933 --> 01:38:29,492
Speaker 14: and to scrap what's not working. As its bosses undergo

2027
01:38:29,572 --> 01:38:34,412
Speaker 14: scrutiny by Parliament committee, thousands of Kiwi teens have delivered

2028
01:38:34,492 --> 01:38:37,652
Speaker 14: letters to the steps of Parliament this afternoon demanding action

2029
01:38:37,973 --> 01:38:43,253
Speaker 14: on modern slavery, top detective urgers, support for mothers after

2030
01:38:43,293 --> 01:38:46,972
Speaker 14: distressing cases of babies found in bins. You can see

2031
01:38:47,013 --> 01:38:49,812
Speaker 14: more at ends at Herald Premium. Back to Matt Ethan

2032
01:38:49,893 --> 01:38:50,652
Speaker 14: Tyler Adams.

2033
01:38:50,732 --> 01:38:53,093
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Raylean. Now we were going to

2034
01:38:53,133 --> 01:38:56,452
Speaker 3: transition to talking about high heels and why would you bother?

2035
01:38:56,532 --> 01:38:58,973
Speaker 3: But we've had so many text and calls on this.

2036
01:38:59,013 --> 01:39:00,293
Speaker 3: We're going to keep this going to the end and

2037
01:39:00,293 --> 01:39:02,532
Speaker 3: we might get to that topic tomorrow. But love to

2038
01:39:02,572 --> 01:39:04,972
Speaker 3: hear from you on one hundred and eighty ten eighty

2039
01:39:05,013 --> 01:39:07,213
Speaker 3: A quick summary please, Matt Wow.

2040
01:39:07,532 --> 01:39:11,412
Speaker 2: Basically, for all human history, survival meant constant hunger, disease

2041
01:39:11,532 --> 01:39:14,253
Speaker 2: and violence. Yet our ancestors and Jordan prevailed so we

2042
01:39:14,293 --> 01:39:17,492
Speaker 2: could live in this unprecedented safety and abundance we do today,

2043
01:39:17,532 --> 01:39:19,572
Speaker 2: and yet what do we do with it? We complain?

2044
01:39:20,173 --> 01:39:22,532
Speaker 2: Do we need to get some perspective and just realize

2045
01:39:22,532 --> 01:39:24,732
Speaker 2: that we have it pretty good? Yeah, love to hear

2046
01:39:24,732 --> 01:39:27,572
Speaker 2: your thoughts. Cody, tell you you think there's some flaws

2047
01:39:27,612 --> 01:39:28,613
Speaker 2: in this argument.

2048
01:39:30,213 --> 01:39:30,692
Speaker 11: A little bit.

2049
01:39:30,772 --> 01:39:34,732
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's I mean, the point of humanity

2050
01:39:34,772 --> 01:39:37,412
Speaker 4: is to make things easier, so that's kind of what

2051
01:39:37,452 --> 01:39:40,732
Speaker 4: you want to lead with. And the fact that the

2052
01:39:40,812 --> 01:39:44,092
Speaker 4: mindset of I struggle, so therefore you should struggle also

2053
01:39:44,173 --> 01:39:46,173
Speaker 4: feels like it might have a bit of way in

2054
01:39:46,253 --> 01:39:49,372
Speaker 4: this conversation where.

2055
01:39:48,812 --> 01:39:50,772
Speaker 2: You definitely don't want that for your kids, do you?

2056
01:39:50,853 --> 01:39:53,612
Speaker 2: You don't work your whole life, and that's why we

2057
01:39:53,692 --> 01:39:56,692
Speaker 2: try and set up our kids and have inheritance and

2058
01:39:56,772 --> 01:39:58,852
Speaker 2: stuff and work really hard because we want our codes

2059
01:39:58,933 --> 01:40:00,772
Speaker 2: kids to have a better life than us. So that,

2060
01:40:00,933 --> 01:40:03,253
Speaker 2: I mean, it's definitely a motivation for us, isn't it.

2061
01:40:03,293 --> 01:40:06,572
Speaker 4: Cody, You're right exactly exactly, And I think it's like

2062
01:40:08,412 --> 01:40:12,932
Speaker 4: and how you look at it. I'm sure people our

2063
01:40:12,973 --> 01:40:17,692
Speaker 4: ancestors were complaining about benign problems as well. It's just

2064
01:40:18,133 --> 01:40:20,372
Speaker 4: we don't know about it because you need things that

2065
01:40:21,532 --> 01:40:23,612
Speaker 4: make it to the surface. We're the most prominent ones

2066
01:40:23,692 --> 01:40:25,693
Speaker 4: being famine, death.

2067
01:40:27,293 --> 01:40:27,893
Speaker 7: Diseases.

2068
01:40:28,853 --> 01:40:31,612
Speaker 4: And it could all depend on like who are you

2069
01:40:31,692 --> 01:40:35,133
Speaker 4: listening to, Like do you surround yourself with people that

2070
01:40:35,213 --> 01:40:39,772
Speaker 4: complain about stuff that doesn't you know, as you said

2071
01:40:39,812 --> 01:40:41,852
Speaker 4: earlier about something having a nicer watch than you.

2072
01:40:43,293 --> 01:40:43,372
Speaker 16: Do.

2073
01:40:43,452 --> 01:40:45,093
Speaker 19: You do.

2074
01:40:45,133 --> 01:40:48,812
Speaker 2: You have a lot of complainers around you, Cody.

2075
01:40:47,812 --> 01:40:52,973
Speaker 4: I try not to, but it's definitely hard on this

2076
01:40:53,053 --> 01:40:53,612
Speaker 4: day and age.

2077
01:40:54,093 --> 01:40:56,612
Speaker 2: Do you think that that struggle you talk about it,

2078
01:40:56,652 --> 01:40:58,932
Speaker 2: and absolutely that's so true because I was talking before

2079
01:40:59,013 --> 01:41:01,253
Speaker 2: about the ice age and it was freezing cold. All

2080
01:41:01,253 --> 01:41:04,053
Speaker 2: you had is animal skins, and you know, you'd try

2081
01:41:04,093 --> 01:41:05,612
Speaker 2: and kill a mammoth for something to eat, and then

2082
01:41:05,612 --> 01:41:08,652
Speaker 2: you maybe get eaten by a cave b yourself that night.

2083
01:41:08,772 --> 01:41:13,013
Speaker 2: But they did still, you know, draw paintings. You know,

2084
01:41:13,053 --> 01:41:15,892
Speaker 2: they did start, they do drew pictures. Interestingly enough, they

2085
01:41:15,973 --> 01:41:18,612
Speaker 2: just seemed to draw only what they did, which was

2086
01:41:18,612 --> 01:41:20,812
Speaker 2: there's a lot of pictures of mammoths in the caves.

2087
01:41:21,293 --> 01:41:23,492
Speaker 2: But you're right, we don't know what their hopes and

2088
01:41:23,572 --> 01:41:26,812
Speaker 2: dreams were, but I imagine that the struggle gave their

2089
01:41:26,893 --> 01:41:31,013
Speaker 2: life meaning and that you'd work really hard and if

2090
01:41:31,013 --> 01:41:33,932
Speaker 2: you had some food you could go, Yep, I've achieved

2091
01:41:33,933 --> 01:41:34,772
Speaker 2: what I'm supposed to do.

2092
01:41:37,173 --> 01:41:40,492
Speaker 4: Definitely said that would be a driving force for direction. Yeah,

2093
01:41:40,572 --> 01:41:46,532
Speaker 4: simply anyone that didn't meet that would probably not make

2094
01:41:46,572 --> 01:41:48,973
Speaker 4: it in the long run. But I'm sure if you

2095
01:41:49,093 --> 01:41:53,013
Speaker 4: look back. I can't quote it well enough because they

2096
01:41:53,053 --> 01:41:56,173
Speaker 4: don't know the research, but I'm sure even back then

2097
01:41:56,253 --> 01:41:59,172
Speaker 4: they looked after the elderly and the women and children.

2098
01:41:59,612 --> 01:42:02,972
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can see that by that by the burial patterns.

2099
01:42:03,173 --> 01:42:06,532
Speaker 2: You know, they bury, they buried their parents and their

2100
01:42:06,572 --> 01:42:11,372
Speaker 2: children with them with flowers and such. So you know,

2101
01:42:11,412 --> 01:42:13,412
Speaker 2: there was definitely those there's same exactly. I mean they

2102
01:42:13,412 --> 01:42:15,532
Speaker 2: were the same humans as us. You know, there were

2103
01:42:15,532 --> 01:42:18,173
Speaker 2: Homo sapien sapiens, so they had the same feelings as us.

2104
01:42:18,173 --> 01:42:20,452
Speaker 2: I mean, they were differently, different culture and different goals.

2105
01:42:20,893 --> 01:42:22,612
Speaker 2: But I wonder you know, you talk about you trying

2106
01:42:22,612 --> 01:42:25,372
Speaker 2: to make things easier, and I think that's absolutely true.

2107
01:42:25,412 --> 01:42:27,452
Speaker 2: But do you think in the making things too easy,

2108
01:42:27,492 --> 01:42:31,692
Speaker 2: we might be making people miserable because we seem to

2109
01:42:31,853 --> 01:42:33,732
Speaker 2: things seem to be easier than ever, but people seem

2110
01:42:33,772 --> 01:42:35,293
Speaker 2: to be more miserable than ever.

2111
01:42:38,853 --> 01:42:42,333
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's definitely a trade off because you could talk

2112
01:42:42,333 --> 01:42:45,852
Speaker 4: about how during the Great World Wars you could have

2113
01:42:45,893 --> 01:42:50,173
Speaker 4: a single income family working and they could afford a

2114
01:42:50,452 --> 01:42:54,932
Speaker 4: family afford, but the food wasn't very good. The constant threadles,

2115
01:42:55,492 --> 01:42:57,452
Speaker 4: war or disease would.

2116
01:42:57,293 --> 01:42:57,892
Speaker 2: Have wholly out.

2117
01:42:59,173 --> 01:43:01,692
Speaker 4: Kind of the flip side, as we have an abundance

2118
01:43:01,732 --> 01:43:05,013
Speaker 4: of so probably none of it's good for us. An

2119
01:43:05,013 --> 01:43:09,492
Speaker 4: abundance of people, but we're less connected and we've ever been.

2120
01:43:09,692 --> 01:43:14,492
Speaker 4: I don't Yeah, I don't think I could name neighbors

2121
01:43:14,572 --> 01:43:16,892
Speaker 4: two or three doors down, while if I talk to

2122
01:43:16,933 --> 01:43:19,013
Speaker 4: my parents, they could probably name the whole street they

2123
01:43:19,053 --> 01:43:19,452
Speaker 4: lived on.

2124
01:43:19,772 --> 01:43:24,692
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's a bit sorry you carry on. Well,

2125
01:43:24,692 --> 01:43:25,892
Speaker 3: I was just going to say it's pretty you know,

2126
01:43:25,893 --> 01:43:28,892
Speaker 3: fair enough. I'm sure cavemen had some trite complaints from

2127
01:43:28,933 --> 01:43:31,213
Speaker 3: time to time, jeep as it's cold out there. Well

2128
01:43:31,213 --> 01:43:33,452
Speaker 3: you know, you know you should have seen Trevor trying

2129
01:43:33,452 --> 01:43:35,333
Speaker 3: to get that Willy memmoth. He was horrible. But we

2130
01:43:35,452 --> 01:43:38,412
Speaker 3: just know. I'm sure they did have some pretty trite complaints.

2131
01:43:37,973 --> 01:43:40,372
Speaker 2: But I imagine their complaints would be I guess my

2132
01:43:40,492 --> 01:43:42,293
Speaker 2: point is, and I can absolutely see that there's a

2133
01:43:42,333 --> 01:43:45,253
Speaker 2: shallowness to my point, Cody, but my point is that

2134
01:43:45,293 --> 01:43:48,892
Speaker 2: their complaints were probably legitimate complaints. Yeah, they are probably

2135
01:43:48,933 --> 01:43:51,372
Speaker 2: like it is very cold, we're in the middle of

2136
01:43:51,412 --> 01:43:51,852
Speaker 2: a nic age.

2137
01:43:51,893 --> 01:43:53,692
Speaker 3: They didn't know that, And if Trevor did bugger up

2138
01:43:53,732 --> 01:43:55,772
Speaker 3: the hunt, then that's nobody's eating, so fair enough to

2139
01:43:56,173 --> 01:43:57,692
Speaker 3: but but.

2140
01:43:57,173 --> 01:43:59,492
Speaker 2: It would not have been great as well back then

2141
01:43:59,732 --> 01:44:03,253
Speaker 2: if you had a different out point outlook in life,

2142
01:44:03,253 --> 01:44:05,772
Speaker 2: like I imagine if you didn't believe in the gods

2143
01:44:05,812 --> 01:44:07,372
Speaker 2: that you were supposed to believe, and then you'd be

2144
01:44:07,412 --> 01:44:10,372
Speaker 2: kicked out of the cave pretty quickly and left to die.

2145
01:44:11,692 --> 01:44:14,812
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you're definitely. I'm sure there was, like talking

2146
01:44:14,853 --> 01:44:17,812
Speaker 4: about the stars and because you look at the nights

2147
01:44:17,853 --> 01:44:20,692
Speaker 4: going and you as it came, and you probably think

2148
01:44:21,412 --> 01:44:26,293
Speaker 4: what am I looking at? And that's yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry,

2149
01:44:26,333 --> 01:44:29,372
Speaker 4: I kind of brew at the point there, Steep, It's good,

2150
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Speaker 4: we like it.

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Speaker 2: It's I think it's one of those discussions that's difficult

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01:44:33,293 --> 01:44:36,372
Speaker 2: to know the absolute truth because you're talking about the

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01:44:36,412 --> 01:44:39,532
Speaker 2: emotions of people that lived in the time when they

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01:44:39,532 --> 01:44:41,772
Speaker 2: couldn't write it down or definitely they had nothing to

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01:44:41,772 --> 01:44:45,173
Speaker 2: post on social media to register what their actual hopes

2156
01:44:45,173 --> 01:44:47,412
Speaker 2: and dreams were in life. Just a few pictures of

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01:44:47,452 --> 01:44:49,452
Speaker 2: some mammoths on the side of a cave is all

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01:44:49,452 --> 01:44:52,292
Speaker 2: we've got to go for. And they're burial practices basically.

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01:44:53,612 --> 01:44:55,412
Speaker 2: But hey, thank you so much for you call Cody,

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01:44:55,692 --> 01:44:56,892
Speaker 2: I get what you're saying.

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01:44:56,973 --> 01:44:59,572
Speaker 3: Yeah, great, call right. We're a bit late for messages,

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01:44:59,572 --> 01:45:01,492
Speaker 3: so we'll play some of those and come back with

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01:45:01,532 --> 01:45:03,093
Speaker 3: more of your calls. On OH one hundred and eighty

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01:45:03,133 --> 01:45:04,532
Speaker 3: ten eighty. It's twenty to four.

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Speaker 1: Your home of Afternoon Talk, Taylor Adams. Afternoons call OH

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Speaker 1: eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk.

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Speaker 3: Say'd be very good afternoons. You having a great discussion

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01:45:16,933 --> 01:45:19,812
Speaker 3: on why many people appear to be ungrateful when times

2169
01:45:19,812 --> 01:45:21,412
Speaker 3: have never been better when you look at what our

2170
01:45:21,412 --> 01:45:25,093
Speaker 3: ancestors had to go through. This text interesting kidday, guys.

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01:45:25,093 --> 01:45:28,372
Speaker 3: I was born into a cult, escaped war, migrated, struggled

2172
01:45:28,372 --> 01:45:31,812
Speaker 3: to learn the language and to integrate no social support.

2173
01:45:31,853 --> 01:45:34,452
Speaker 3: I then started to slowly reinvent myself and heal My

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01:45:34,532 --> 01:45:37,692
Speaker 3: struggles give me perspective that I still use every day.

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01:45:37,772 --> 01:45:40,492
Speaker 3: I look at people who complain about the first world problems,

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01:45:40,612 --> 01:45:43,412
Speaker 3: they still experience life events that shows them the depths

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01:45:43,412 --> 01:45:45,452
Speaker 3: of despair. I don't think life and the journey it

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01:45:45,452 --> 01:45:48,692
Speaker 3: takes people on discriminates between people. We live by the

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01:45:48,692 --> 01:45:51,253
Speaker 3: same rules. Some less fortunate people I know are the

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01:45:51,253 --> 01:45:53,812
Speaker 3: most ungrateful. Being grateful is a choice.

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01:45:53,933 --> 01:45:56,133
Speaker 2: Here, there you go. This Texas says, if you can plain,

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01:45:56,213 --> 01:45:58,812
Speaker 2: you remain, things don't change. If you praise, you raise,

2183
01:45:58,933 --> 01:45:59,293
Speaker 2: you grow.

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Speaker 7: There you go.

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Speaker 2: Nice. Ryme, Andrew, your thoughts on this discussion we're having today, I.

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01:46:06,492 --> 01:46:12,692
Speaker 19: Think and the timeline that you guys have specified, which

2187
01:46:12,812 --> 01:46:18,933
Speaker 19: is just from the birth of man, which you know,

2188
01:46:20,772 --> 01:46:24,652
Speaker 19: which is debatable in itself, to where we are today.

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01:46:25,333 --> 01:46:31,973
Speaker 19: I think you know, we've we've all been grateful, so

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01:46:32,412 --> 01:46:35,253
Speaker 19: even today. You know, I've traveled a lot, I've lived

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01:46:35,253 --> 01:46:37,692
Speaker 19: in a lot of different countries, and I think New

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01:46:37,772 --> 01:46:41,812
Speaker 19: Zealanders are actually some of the most grateful people that

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01:46:41,933 --> 01:46:48,173
Speaker 19: have ever come across and and I think that is

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01:46:48,293 --> 01:46:55,892
Speaker 19: because we're so remote in terms of our location, and

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01:46:56,213 --> 01:46:59,732
Speaker 19: I think that makes them grateful in a way when

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01:46:59,732 --> 01:47:03,692
Speaker 19: we're as hop step in a jump well some island

2197
01:47:03,732 --> 01:47:08,852
Speaker 19: outliers and they're grateful because they're isolated. Have my own

2198
01:47:09,053 --> 01:47:13,133
Speaker 19: they just you know, Shoodland, you know, and it's just great.

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01:47:13,213 --> 01:47:15,293
Speaker 19: I mean, it's just you're going to be grateful for

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01:47:15,412 --> 01:47:16,053
Speaker 19: where we are.

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01:47:16,492 --> 01:47:19,452
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's where.

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01:47:19,093 --> 01:47:22,892
Speaker 19: That's where the gratefulness focused on.

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01:47:23,452 --> 01:47:23,652
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:47:23,692 --> 01:47:25,412
Speaker 2: Do you think that because you've traveled a lot, Andrew?

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01:47:25,452 --> 01:47:27,772
Speaker 2: Because I sometimes think that people in New Zealand who

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01:47:27,853 --> 01:47:30,652
Speaker 2: haven't traveled and haven't been to a third world country,

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01:47:31,053 --> 01:47:33,253
Speaker 2: or actually haven't been to a country with really really

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01:47:33,293 --> 01:47:37,532
Speaker 2: terrible traffic. Just to give a shallow example, don't and

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01:47:37,692 --> 01:47:41,173
Speaker 2: to use a cliche from a from a fantastic Free

2210
01:47:41,253 --> 01:47:44,253
Speaker 2: Dag song, don't know lucky? How how lucky they are?

2211
01:47:45,053 --> 01:47:47,133
Speaker 2: You know, there's that other side of it though. They

2212
01:47:47,173 --> 01:47:49,053
Speaker 2: may be grateful for their country, but there is do

2213
01:47:49,093 --> 01:47:51,412
Speaker 2: you see that side of New Zealanders as well, where

2214
01:47:51,412 --> 01:47:53,412
Speaker 2: we don't quite realize how good we have it?

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01:47:53,772 --> 01:47:58,933
Speaker 19: You just, uh, if you've been caught in traffic.

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01:48:00,053 --> 01:48:01,333
Speaker 12: In Madrid.

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01:48:04,933 --> 01:48:08,093
Speaker 19: And it's only really you could actually just get out

2218
01:48:08,133 --> 01:48:11,892
Speaker 19: and runner, yeah, and just pay the karenside the road

2219
01:48:12,333 --> 01:48:17,772
Speaker 19: and run it and get there earlier. Uh, and the

2220
01:48:17,853 --> 01:48:22,532
Speaker 19: bank start to think, you know, what, what, what's going wrong?

2221
01:48:22,853 --> 01:48:25,973
Speaker 19: You know, I don't think we've got a good I

2222
01:48:26,013 --> 01:48:30,253
Speaker 19: think we're sort of like kind of balanced fort of

2223
01:48:30,412 --> 01:48:35,333
Speaker 19: society thinking. And I think, you know, I think, you know,

2224
01:48:37,333 --> 01:48:40,732
Speaker 19: I don't think children are you know, I've got a

2225
01:48:41,772 --> 01:48:44,532
Speaker 19: you know, it's some that's just left university. I don't

2226
01:48:44,572 --> 01:48:48,492
Speaker 19: think he's ungrateful for the he's now living in Europe.

2227
01:48:48,933 --> 01:48:52,013
Speaker 19: I don't think he's ungrateful for the time that he's

2228
01:48:52,093 --> 01:48:54,533
Speaker 19: been in New Zealand. He said it was fantastic.

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01:48:54,652 --> 01:48:55,612
Speaker 3: Sounds like a good kid.

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01:48:55,692 --> 01:48:57,772
Speaker 2: Well, that sounds like you've you've created a kid, because

2231
01:48:57,772 --> 01:48:59,412
Speaker 2: I mean that's that's the job, you know, with a

2232
01:48:59,452 --> 01:49:01,173
Speaker 2: lot of people are texting through and complaining. As I

2233
01:49:01,213 --> 01:49:03,852
Speaker 2: was saying before about you know the new generations or

2234
01:49:03,853 --> 01:49:09,293
Speaker 2: whatever generation is after them. But each generation creates the

2235
01:49:09,333 --> 01:49:14,133
Speaker 2: next generation. And so if the young kids today are

2236
01:49:14,213 --> 01:49:17,692
Speaker 2: as weak and complaining and addicted to social media as

2237
01:49:17,732 --> 01:49:20,692
Speaker 2: we say they are, then that's my generation's fault. That's

2238
01:49:20,732 --> 01:49:21,652
Speaker 2: Gen x's fault.

2239
01:49:21,732 --> 01:49:23,253
Speaker 3: Shame on you, Shame on us.

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Speaker 2: And if we're pathetic, that's the boomer's fault.

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01:49:26,572 --> 01:49:29,093
Speaker 3: The millennials are coming up, and you know, the.

2242
01:49:29,053 --> 01:49:31,973
Speaker 2: Boomers, they came out the back of those people that

2243
01:49:32,013 --> 01:49:35,132
Speaker 2: went to war. So anything you can blame when the boomers,

2244
01:49:35,572 --> 01:49:38,293
Speaker 2: when the Boomers were running around being hippies, yeah that

2245
01:49:38,492 --> 01:49:41,173
Speaker 2: was the appearances fault something.

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01:49:41,253 --> 01:49:45,093
Speaker 3: But yeah, I've got some blame too, Tony. What's your

2247
01:49:45,093 --> 01:49:45,692
Speaker 3: thoughts on us?

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01:49:45,772 --> 01:49:49,612
Speaker 21: Yes, well, I think we tend to forget. You know,

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01:49:49,652 --> 01:49:53,093
Speaker 21: if you go back to the late eighteen hundreds. So

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Speaker 21: one hundred and fifty years ago the average age of

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01:49:56,372 --> 01:49:59,253
Speaker 21: a man was around fifty and for a woman it

2252
01:49:59,333 --> 01:50:03,053
Speaker 21: was around fifty five. Today, the average age of a

2253
01:50:03,093 --> 01:50:06,452
Speaker 21: man is around eighty for women is about eighty five.

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01:50:06,612 --> 01:50:10,652
Speaker 21: So you could argue we've got another thirty years to

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01:50:10,692 --> 01:50:15,092
Speaker 21: worry about things over and above our ancestors. I also

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01:50:15,173 --> 01:50:21,052
Speaker 21: think that our expectations as we go through time become

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01:50:21,173 --> 01:50:24,772
Speaker 21: more and more. If you used to take the average

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01:50:24,812 --> 01:50:28,372
Speaker 21: person today and transport them in time back one hundred

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01:50:28,412 --> 01:50:31,213
Speaker 21: and fifty years, then would probably think, what the hell

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01:50:31,253 --> 01:50:34,173
Speaker 21: am I worrying about? And equally, if you use to

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01:50:34,173 --> 01:50:39,572
Speaker 21: transport a person from the eighteen hundreds through to today again,

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01:50:39,692 --> 01:50:43,812
Speaker 21: they say, man, you've got it made. So I think

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01:50:43,853 --> 01:50:47,412
Speaker 21: that it's just our expectations, and that I think that

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01:50:47,492 --> 01:50:51,412
Speaker 21: one of the issues is, of course, is that we

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01:50:50,973 --> 01:50:56,893
Speaker 21: have unconsciously we place those expectations on our children. But

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01:50:57,053 --> 01:50:59,452
Speaker 21: they we want them to do better than us, and

2267
01:51:00,492 --> 01:51:02,732
Speaker 21: they want to do better them. They want to do better.

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01:51:03,372 --> 01:51:05,293
Speaker 21: You know, the son wants to do better than father,

2269
01:51:06,333 --> 01:51:07,973
Speaker 21: and yet the father wants us something to do well

2270
01:51:08,013 --> 01:51:09,333
Speaker 21: and alt to do well.

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Speaker 16: So I think that.

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01:51:12,612 --> 01:51:15,413
Speaker 21: As long as humans are on this earth. They will always,

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01:51:15,973 --> 01:51:20,172
Speaker 21: at any given time, are going to worry about something.

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01:51:20,612 --> 01:51:23,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that's true. I think we will

2275
01:51:23,293 --> 01:51:25,213
Speaker 2: always find something worry about. I think we're evolved to

2276
01:51:25,572 --> 01:51:27,372
Speaker 2: you know, I think we're a while bet we were saying,

2277
01:51:27,372 --> 01:51:29,532
Speaker 2: you know, we're revolved to be dissatisfied because the person

2278
01:51:29,572 --> 01:51:32,612
Speaker 2: that was satisfied immediately got killed by a saber tooth tiger.

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01:51:32,732 --> 01:51:35,093
Speaker 2: And the guy that was dissatisfied and did something to

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01:51:35,133 --> 01:51:37,732
Speaker 2: protict himself. You know, So wherever we are, we're probably

2281
01:51:37,772 --> 01:51:39,012
Speaker 2: going to find something to complain about.

2282
01:51:40,293 --> 01:51:42,093
Speaker 21: Yes, right, I mean if you was to go back,

2283
01:51:42,492 --> 01:51:45,572
Speaker 21: you know, a thousand years or two thousand years, then

2284
01:51:45,812 --> 01:51:48,372
Speaker 21: you'd be used to that type of liston, you'd be

2285
01:51:48,452 --> 01:51:51,532
Speaker 21: the way of doing things equally as much less faceic.

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01:51:52,013 --> 01:51:55,412
Speaker 21: Probably in another fifty years we're going to be used to,

2287
01:51:55,692 --> 01:51:59,492
Speaker 21: you know, stepping outside, getting in a drive of this car,

2288
01:51:59,652 --> 01:52:00,973
Speaker 21: not even drive it ourselves.

2289
01:52:01,333 --> 01:52:04,972
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the hardship, the hardship of having to steer

2290
01:52:04,973 --> 01:52:06,092
Speaker 2: a steering wheel, and I'm.

2291
01:52:06,013 --> 01:52:08,052
Speaker 3: So anxious to drive it out.

2292
01:52:08,853 --> 01:52:12,173
Speaker 21: That's right. I mean, you though, if you mentioned to

2293
01:52:12,173 --> 01:52:13,852
Speaker 21: them that they'd have to take, they would have to

2294
01:52:13,893 --> 01:52:16,333
Speaker 21: say in driving test it was a driving test.

2295
01:52:16,572 --> 01:52:19,652
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly, Tony, thank you for your call.

2296
01:52:19,812 --> 01:52:22,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it sounds trit I don't know it

2297
01:52:22,133 --> 01:52:25,012
Speaker 3: is true, because God knows, I complain from time to time.

2298
01:52:25,133 --> 01:52:28,812
Speaker 3: But it is that gratitude thing, isn't it. And it

2299
01:52:28,853 --> 01:52:31,492
Speaker 3: feels like maybe now we're finally in a time where

2300
01:52:31,492 --> 01:52:33,892
Speaker 3: we can look around and say, yep, some things aren't

2301
01:52:33,933 --> 01:52:36,572
Speaker 3: so great and I'm pissed off sometimes, but we've got

2302
01:52:36,572 --> 01:52:39,013
Speaker 3: the ability to say, actually, there are a lot of

2303
01:52:39,013 --> 01:52:41,612
Speaker 3: things I should be grateful for, Whereas our ancestors way

2304
01:52:41,612 --> 01:52:42,772
Speaker 3: back in the day, I don't know if they could

2305
01:52:42,812 --> 01:52:45,573
Speaker 3: really look around and say, man, I'm glad.

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01:52:45,572 --> 01:52:48,133
Speaker 2: This test is. I think we may be ungrateful because

2307
01:52:48,133 --> 01:52:50,412
Speaker 2: we haven't lived the struggle, even though we can see

2308
01:52:50,412 --> 01:52:52,452
Speaker 2: and understand it. If you don't live it, it's hard

2309
01:52:52,452 --> 01:52:55,052
Speaker 2: to really feel it and therefore appreciate how much better

2310
01:52:55,093 --> 01:52:57,852
Speaker 2: and easier this world is now as opposed to then

2311
01:52:58,053 --> 01:53:01,492
Speaker 2: in the past. Yeah yeah, yeah, but I think you

2312
01:53:01,572 --> 01:53:05,013
Speaker 2: can be I just think perspective is an important thing

2313
01:53:05,253 --> 01:53:07,652
Speaker 2: when you're trying to claim, as a lot of people claim,

2314
01:53:07,692 --> 01:53:09,732
Speaker 2: that this is the worst time ever, it's the most

2315
01:53:09,812 --> 01:53:13,933
Speaker 2: anxious time that we're living in this incredible hardship. It

2316
01:53:14,173 --> 01:53:16,973
Speaker 2: just might help you out if you just look at

2317
01:53:16,973 --> 01:53:19,253
Speaker 2: the history of humanity and you might just realize living

2318
01:53:19,253 --> 01:53:22,093
Speaker 2: in New Zealand and twenty twenty five pretty good. Yep,

2319
01:53:22,572 --> 01:53:26,452
Speaker 2: p see pretty good, And maybe you might roll back

2320
01:53:26,452 --> 01:53:27,292
Speaker 2: some of that complaining.

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01:53:27,452 --> 01:53:31,412
Speaker 3: Nicely said, it is nine to four back in the mine, the.

2322
01:53:31,253 --> 01:53:35,212
Speaker 1: Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything

2323
01:53:35,213 --> 01:53:38,772
Speaker 1: in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talk

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01:53:38,853 --> 01:53:40,853
Speaker 1: ZEDB on News Talks.

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01:53:40,652 --> 01:53:45,132
Speaker 3: EDB Andrew, you're our lucky last caller. How you doing today?

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01:53:45,173 --> 01:53:45,692
Speaker 9: How are Yeah?

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01:53:45,853 --> 01:53:49,133
Speaker 22: Just the comment I'd make is that a few generations ago,

2328
01:53:49,173 --> 01:53:52,852
Speaker 22: whenever people had a problem, they looked for themselves to

2329
01:53:52,933 --> 01:53:57,532
Speaker 22: fix it. Now whenever it's whenever people have a problem,

2330
01:53:57,572 --> 01:54:00,772
Speaker 22: they look to the government or externally and say, someone

2331
01:54:00,812 --> 01:54:03,892
Speaker 22: needs to fix this for me. So when people have

2332
01:54:03,973 --> 01:54:07,572
Speaker 22: fixed it are used to fixing things themselves, they don't complain,

2333
01:54:08,372 --> 01:54:11,572
Speaker 22: whereas now everyone sits through and complains because there's no

2334
01:54:11,612 --> 01:54:14,053
Speaker 22: there's little expectation on themselves to fix it.

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01:54:14,412 --> 01:54:16,572
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll be interesting though. Back in the old days,

2336
01:54:16,652 --> 01:54:18,812
Speaker 2: you know, we keep using an example of hunting the mammoth.

2337
01:54:18,853 --> 01:54:21,452
Speaker 2: You would look for your family group, your tribe to

2338
01:54:22,053 --> 01:54:23,892
Speaker 2: collectively fix the problem of needing to.

2339
01:54:23,853 --> 01:54:27,812
Speaker 22: Eat, and your support network was your family.

2340
01:54:28,013 --> 01:54:30,333
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, now now.

2341
01:54:30,372 --> 01:54:31,372
Speaker 16: Support where now?

2342
01:54:31,452 --> 01:54:33,533
Speaker 22: Support comes from for a lot of people from people

2343
01:54:33,573 --> 01:54:36,333
Speaker 22: I've never met before, because they just sit there and go.

2344
01:54:36,373 --> 01:54:37,852
Speaker 12: Well, I've got a problem here.

2345
01:54:37,853 --> 01:54:39,333
Speaker 16: Who's going to fix this for me?

2346
01:54:40,293 --> 01:54:43,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, nicely said, And that can create a lack of

2347
01:54:43,373 --> 01:54:46,533
Speaker 2: meaning because they don't know how to fix it or

2348
01:54:46,653 --> 01:54:50,053
Speaker 2: what to fix you know where the problems used to

2349
01:54:50,093 --> 01:54:52,213
Speaker 2: be quite simple, didn't they. Yeah, as much as our

2350
01:54:52,253 --> 01:54:54,493
Speaker 2: ancestors struggled so hard, and we've got to thank them

2351
01:54:54,533 --> 01:54:57,573
Speaker 2: for staying alive, so we're alive now. Their problems were

2352
01:54:57,653 --> 01:54:59,893
Speaker 2: very clear to them. Yeah, you know, their village was

2353
01:54:59,933 --> 01:55:01,772
Speaker 2: about to be burnt down by some people that were

2354
01:55:01,853 --> 01:55:04,053
Speaker 2: raiding it, so they had to fight them. You know, Yeah,

2355
01:55:04,453 --> 01:55:05,373
Speaker 2: they were hungry.

2356
01:55:05,653 --> 01:55:07,533
Speaker 3: You know, clear decision, but a hard decision.

2357
01:55:07,573 --> 01:55:09,453
Speaker 2: There was there was a tiger walking towards them, so

2358
01:55:09,493 --> 01:55:10,533
Speaker 2: they had to have rocks at it.

2359
01:55:10,613 --> 01:55:11,453
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

2360
01:55:12,093 --> 01:55:14,213
Speaker 2: Those were easy problems. That was a f There were

2361
01:55:14,213 --> 01:55:16,253
Speaker 2: hard problems to solve, but the solutions were clear.

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Speaker 3: The satisfaction when you solved that problem would have felt good.

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Speaker 3: That was a great discussion. Thank you very much for

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Speaker 3: that and for today.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and thank you to all your great New Zealands

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Speaker 2: for listen to the show. Thanks so much for all

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Speaker 2: your calls and texts. We had a great time chatting.

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Speaker 2: The met and Tyler Affternoons podcast will be out and

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Speaker 2: about now, so if you missed our chats on whether

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Speaker 2: or not you should slam malatonin and a Zopper clone,

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Speaker 2: then listen to our podcast. And also we chatted a

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Speaker 2: lot you might have noticed about disrespecting your ancestors by complaining,

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Speaker 2: so follow our podcast Brieving at your Pods. Ryan Bridges

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Speaker 2: up next, but right now, Tyler, yep, my good friend,

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Speaker 2: tell me why am I playing the song?

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Speaker 3: I have got no idea.

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Speaker 7: Wow.

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Speaker 2: It's from the album Jagged Little Pearl by Alanas Morrissett,

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Speaker 2: and it has the line swallow it down like a

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Speaker 2: jagged little pearl, which was a sort of a vague

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Speaker 2: reference to Zopper Clone and Mezapan from our first chat.

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Speaker 3: Tenuous but I'll allow it.

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Speaker 2: Good joy, Right, thanks for listening everyone, See you tomorrow, AVO,

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Speaker 2: and until then, give them a taste of keeping from us.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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