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Speaker 2: A couple of Nicks on the huddle this week this evening.

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Speaker 2: We've got Nick Legget of Infrastructure New Zealand, and we've

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Speaker 2: got Nick Mills of Wellington Mornings.

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Speaker 3: Hello you too, Hello Nick Squad.

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Speaker 2: It is Nick Squad. This is a mistake, right because

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Speaker 2: now I have to refer to you both by your

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Speaker 2: full names, but we're going to do that. Nick Leget,

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Speaker 2: how do you feel about the fact that we had

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Speaker 2: like eighty two thousand or eighty one thousand kiwis leave

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Speaker 2: the country again in a new record.

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Speaker 3: I think I just think it confirms me where we're at,

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Speaker 3: and there is a sort of a national sense that,

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Speaker 3: you know, we've got a bit of a bit of

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Speaker 3: an economic situation. Things are sluggish, There isn't great confidence

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Speaker 3: out there. It's a bit of a post COVID hangover.

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Speaker 3: I reckon still, and you know, we watch other countries really,

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Speaker 3: you know, taking off and getting things done, and you know,

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Speaker 3: I think the government are absolutely trying to do that.

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Speaker 3: I think they're on a turnaround mission. But you know,

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Speaker 3: we live in the now age rights people want stuff yesterday.

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Speaker 3: So I think it's going to take some patience, and

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Speaker 3: it's also got to take a little less arguing and

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Speaker 3: not listening to each other and a little bit more.

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Speaker 3: How do we get on the same page as a

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Speaker 3: country and decide the sort of things that are important

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Speaker 3: and how do we get united behind a vision.

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Speaker 2: Are you saying that part of the reason that people

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Speaker 2: are leaving is because of just how angry the political

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Speaker 2: environment is.

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Speaker 3: I think there's a I just think the national mindsets

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Speaker 3: in a bit of a downer. I feel it myself,

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Speaker 3: and I'm pretty optimistic, but you just you just get

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Speaker 3: that sense from people. People are under stress. You know,

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Speaker 3: we talk about public services, you know it is that,

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Speaker 3: you know when you talk about health, there is a

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Speaker 3: sense that for a long time we've let things wind

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Speaker 3: down a bit. We haven't maintained a lot of the

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Speaker 3: systems and the physical things we've got, we haven't perhaps

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Speaker 3: paid people on U and it's all coming home to

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Speaker 3: roost and there are better opportunities off shore. So we've

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Speaker 3: got we've got a turnaround job today. But I think

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Speaker 3: we can do it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, do you reckon?

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Speaker 1: We can do it?

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Speaker 3: Nick Mills.

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Speaker 4: I'm hoping we can do it. But I agree totally

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Speaker 4: with what Nick Leggett said, but I think it's worse

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Speaker 4: than what he's saying. I think that the feeling is

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Speaker 4: that we're not seeing anything that from this government that says, Yay,

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Speaker 4: thank goodness, we're away, you know, just put our seatbut

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Speaker 4: on and enjoy the ride. It's all like we're still

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Speaker 4: feeling like we're cutting this and we're cutting that, and

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Speaker 4: we're broken. We've had it and the last government did this.

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Speaker 4: It's all negative. There's nothing that says we've got a

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Speaker 4: green light in front of us, we're going. But when

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Speaker 4: we look at our neighbors in Australia and these great

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Speaker 4: num these numbers are records have been broken. And I

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Speaker 4: will bet my left on that next month it'll be

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Speaker 4: the same. It'll be a new record of people leaving.

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Speaker 4: And they're all going to Australia. Why because they're feeling

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Speaker 4: in Australia that they are got the green light they

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Speaker 4: are going. They are getting it fixed. Where we are

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Speaker 4: to say, hey, let's get.

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Speaker 2: It going, and that hey, Nick Mills, that hey let's

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Speaker 2: get it going. Is that is sort of like a

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Speaker 2: like a big plan for how we juice up this economy.

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Speaker 2: Is that what you want?

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Speaker 4: I want to see and I never didn't see it

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Speaker 4: in the budget. I wanted to see small business, which

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Speaker 4: I'm part of that. I'm putt my hand up. Small

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Speaker 4: business didn't get a damn single thing out of that budget.

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Speaker 4: Small business is what's going to get this country going again.

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Speaker 4: That's what makes us bigger, that's what's going to get

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Speaker 4: us green light, that's going to get us going. They're

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Speaker 4: not no one, No one is doing anything for small business.

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Speaker 4: So it's kind of like, in this rut, why don't

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Speaker 4: we actually say let's get it going.

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Do you know what Nickligga would I'd be quite

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Speaker 2: keen on as I would quite like I've got a

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Speaker 2: little bit interested in this idea that we could be

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Speaker 2: the next Singapore or next Ireland, and I'd like to

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Speaker 2: see that plan. That would reallyduce me.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's funny you say that, because Infrastructure just led

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Speaker 3: a delegation to Ireland, Belfast actually a Northern Ireland and

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Speaker 3: Denmark looking at small nations and how they have got

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: The truth is it does take a long time. It

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Speaker 3: takes decades but do you know what, Heather, What we

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Speaker 3: see in this country is the swinging back and forth

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Speaker 3: often between when a government changes and a whole lot

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Speaker 3: of things change and new priorities, which is there prerogative.

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Speaker 3: But nonetheless we see more political stability in true proportional

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Speaker 3: electoral systems overseas, but just a greater agreement on what's

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Speaker 3: really important. And if you think about Ireland, right, they

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Speaker 3: fifty years ago said, look, we're stick of being bottom

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Speaker 3: of the OECD. We've got to really heavily invest in education.

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Speaker 3: And then they said we've really got to open ourselves

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Speaker 3: going to have a low corporate tax rate and they

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Speaker 3: have stuck to that through thick and thin, and my goodness,

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Speaker 3: it is a stunt. Ireland is a stunner and they

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Speaker 3: are investing in their infrastructure. They've got tech jobs coming

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Speaker 3: out of their ears. Now, yeah, they're closer to markets.

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Speaker 3: There are a lot of things that aren't comparable. But

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Speaker 3: New Zealand has to grasp something and decide what we're

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Speaker 3: about and how we're going to be competitive because they're

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Speaker 3: a long way from anywhere. But we do have some amazing,

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Speaker 3: you know, attributes and natural attributes and people. So let's

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Speaker 3: let's let's get it all together and start using it,

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Speaker 3: because we do need to unite on a vision and

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Speaker 3: an idea about what we're critically about of the country.

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Speaker 2: Heather, How can we get ahead when every time someone

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Speaker 2: tries to do something, the lefty protesters go ape? And

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Speaker 2: speaking of which, Nick Mills, did you see the lefty

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Speaker 2: protesters go ape? But more in Pew?

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Speaker 4: No? Should I they should have Actually they should have

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Speaker 4: actually had more security around you. This is something that

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Speaker 4: really I've talked about several times on our show. Should

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Speaker 4: they Should a politician go anywhere where they are at risk?

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Speaker 4: You know that's not how he goes on.

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Speaker 2: But Nick, you don't go to Tarkka to talk to

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Speaker 2: up the road and then expect that one of these

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Speaker 2: clowns is going to hit you with a placard.

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Speaker 4: Well, yes you do, because you're a politician. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 4: really strongly against the stuff. You know, you've got your view.

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Speaker 4: I've got my view. You can actually have that argument

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Speaker 4: without getting physical well, I without touching somebody, without getting

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Speaker 4: in their cylinder. I know, I totally disagree, and I

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Speaker 4: think should have been security around them. Anywhere else in

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Speaker 4: the world there would have been security around them and

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Speaker 4: be all held to play New Zealand. Oh, well, they've

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Speaker 4: got their view. They can hit someone if they want to.

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Speaker 2: Well, what do you reckon the legard?

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Speaker 3: Well, I think it's a fundamental sort of right or

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Speaker 3: tenement of democracy really that we should have access to

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Speaker 3: the people we elect to make decisions on our behalf,

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Speaker 3: and in turn they should feel safe when they are

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Speaker 3: out and about meeting people. I don't think we want

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Speaker 3: big barriers between policy than people. So, but we've got

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Speaker 3: to get past it. It goes back to this this

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Speaker 3: point around, you know, this polarization where we're being pushed

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Speaker 3: when you start wanting to give somebody a tap. Think

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Speaker 3: nothing you agree with them about. All you see as

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Speaker 3: a bad person. And this is this is the nature

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Speaker 3: to we've got to have better conversations. And I'm just

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Speaker 3: talking about principles rather than issues as much. And you know,

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Speaker 3: I've seen, you know, watched the UK, you know where

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Speaker 3: there have been two members of Parliament quite brutally murdered

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Speaker 3: you know that's they've really up security and thought about

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Speaker 3: and of course we don't want to get to a

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Speaker 3: point where we do have that the security up around them,

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Speaker 3: but MPs have got a right not to feel threatened

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Speaker 3: as well, and I think we've got to assert that,

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Speaker 3: and we've got to ask public gatherings and people protesting

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Speaker 2: I reckon the way that you fix this in the

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Speaker 2: short term, Nick Mills, is that that guy who hit

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Speaker 2: the hit maure ENP with the placard needs to have

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Speaker 2: the full police investigation and actually be charged for assault,

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Speaker 2: right because then everybody else is going to get the

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Speaker 4: Not do it one hundred percent. I mean, this is

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Speaker 4: not this is I just can't understand that we're even

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Speaker 4: having this discussion I mean, what happens if they hit

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Speaker 4: them too hard and killed them, what happens? Then are

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Speaker 4: they head up for murder? I mean, this is our

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Speaker 4: politicians doing their job. Next. Right, they should be able

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Speaker 4: to go and speak. They shouldn't have to be worried

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Speaker 4: about the security. They should be able to be proud

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Speaker 4: of what they want to stand for. If someone disagrees

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Speaker 4: with them, you can stay in protest, you can have

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Speaker 4: your say, you can do whatever you want, but keep

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Speaker 4: out of their cylinder and don't damn or touch anybody.

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Speaker 2: No two right, that's very good advice. Hey guys, thank you.

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Speaker 2: I really appreciate it. From the pair of you. That's

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Speaker 2: Nick Mills and Nickley. Get out huddle this evening

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