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Speaker 1: So at last rugby the rugby world has decided to

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Speaker 1: take the R three sixties seriously. Most of the world

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Speaker 1: rugby unions have signed this collective agreement that would see

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Speaker 1: them banning players who'd defect.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: Oma Hasanain is the chief executive of the International Players

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Speaker 1: Association and with US, Argentina and Fiji are missing in

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Speaker 1: this combination. Is that a problem?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know of it is. I think I

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Speaker 2: think there's conversations being had amongst all the TI one nations.

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Speaker 2: Argentina and Fiji perhaps have their own reasons that perhaps

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Speaker 2: don't have the same level as depth, so they're not

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Speaker 2: committing to a statement that advises men's and women's players,

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Speaker 2: not that those participating would be ineligible for international selection.

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Speaker 2: It's hard to say, but certainly eight of the top

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Speaker 2: nations have come out and made that statement publicly.

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Speaker 1: This is just a preemptive move. Or have you heard

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Speaker 1: of enough players who might bail that you've started to worry?

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Speaker 2: Oh, look, we get anecdotal information coming through from different

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Speaker 2: different groups amongst our membership around the world. It's hard

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Speaker 2: to say, but look, I think the competition will likely

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Speaker 2: go ahead. I guess it's just depending on the quality

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Speaker 2: of players, and you know this position at the national

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Speaker 2: unions and our taking and how that might affect decisions

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Speaker 2: amongst players.

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Speaker 1: How legally does it work with players who get sabbaticals

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Speaker 1: currently to go to places like Japan then come back

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Speaker 1: and represent their country. How have you set that precedent?

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Speaker 1: But you can sit another president with this competition.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's an interesting one. Look, I think you know,

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Speaker 2: we work in the international space and generally managing international issues.

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Speaker 2: I suppose that what you described there is the space

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Speaker 2: of local countries, local national unions and in negotiation with

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Speaker 2: their players associations and whatnot. New Zealand the SAMs, you know,

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Speaker 2: might have a different policy to Australia, which might have

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Speaker 2: a different policy to South Africa as to how they

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Speaker 2: as to how they do that, and a lot of

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Speaker 2: that depends on the depth that they have of talent

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Speaker 2: to be able to keep super rugby teams going but

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Speaker 2: also keep the best players in the country available for

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Speaker 2: selection for the country.

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Speaker 1: The legals of that are interesting though, aren't they. If

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Speaker 1: I was a lawyer, I'd be wanting to explore that

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Speaker 1: in a court or two.

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Speaker 2: I reckon they are they are probably not best for

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Speaker 2: me to comment on that at the moment, but yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'd say that that's an interesting conversation.

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Speaker 1: Good on, You're nice to talk to. You appreciate it

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Speaker 1: very much. Oma Hasna, who's the cheap executive of the

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Speaker 1: International Players Association. He's in Australia this morning, so he's

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Speaker 1: up early for US at five point fifteen. So that

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Speaker 1: will be a Simon Watts Award for the WIG.

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