Speaker 1: Oh, I have the energy levels on a Monday.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Mad Monday Podcast, brought to you
Speaker 2: as always by four and twenty PI. Is a perfect
Speaker 2: at home snack for watching the NRL Grand Final for
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: My name is Tin.
Speaker 2: I saw a Monday OWI and joined in the commentary
Speaker 2: position as it was last night, but the podcast position
Speaker 2: as it is this morning, ed and for newer Keazy.
Speaker 2: Now a question I wanted to ask you, as a
Speaker 2: man who starts work in the afternoon, and I presume
Speaker 2: you have a cursory alarm that sets that wakes you
Speaker 2: up before your missus goes to work and then you
Speaker 2: go straight back to sleep. What time did you actually
Speaker 2: get out of bed this morning after watching the Grand Final?
Speaker 1: Well, we'll start with you. What time did you get
Speaker 1: out of it? I took a sleep in this morning.
Speaker 1: I got out of a bit of eight eight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was nine thirty.
Speaker 2: Yeah the fuck it was good to Oh my god.
Speaker 2: And I feel like most people would have been like,
Speaker 2: if you could, you would have taken Yeah. We got
Speaker 2: a lot of tech last night, people saying that they
Speaker 2: were going to take the day off right. There was
Speaker 2: a Gohader's birthday. I hate his isit though? It was
Speaker 2: his birthday on Sunday and he's like, I'm going to trend.
Speaker 2: I'm going to Monday as my birthday. Take that day off.
Speaker 1: Like, to be honest, my alarm goes off every day
Speaker 1: at seven thirty, which when I was first working and
Speaker 1: starting late working for Sky, I got into a real
Speaker 1: hole where you just stay up till one am every
Speaker 1: night and then wake up and get out of bed
Speaker 1: at like ten. Yeah, you're back on UNI hours, that's right.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm in my thirties now, man, So
Speaker 1: seven thirty every day, my wife goes to work and
Speaker 1: I don't feel like a massive piece of I don't
Speaker 1: do anything. No For the first like two hours, I'm
Speaker 1: a piece of shit. But yesterday was really nice that
Speaker 1: I could just sleep and in fact, I even stopped
Speaker 1: got some fast food on the way home. Watched the
Speaker 1: video on YouTube. Yeah, oh, well, you know I live
Speaker 1: around the corner from particular fast food chain. Yeah, every
Speaker 1: few of them, a few of them, but there's one
Speaker 1: that's literally like what four hundred meters from my house.
Speaker 1: It's actually harder to not go through there, that's right.
Speaker 1: And the lights weren't playing ball, so I just carried
Speaker 1: on straight, turned into there and ended up eating that
Speaker 1: in front of the TV. It was delicious. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And that was of course the out just around the
Speaker 2: court of your house and drive through four and twenty piles.
Speaker 2: The Grand Final last night, fourteen points to six in
Speaker 2: the end.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And as we predicted, it wasn't going to be
Speaker 1: a high scoring A fair and I two of the
Speaker 1: best defenses in the in the league. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: always going to be stingy a. I was talking to
Speaker 1: Lane this morning about it. He's like, Oh, you could
Speaker 1: have let me know beforehand. I had all these bits
Speaker 1: on it being over X amount of points. Who did
Speaker 1: you talk to? Well, hang on, you could have let
Speaker 1: me know. Why are you putting bits on something if
Speaker 1: you have no idea? I know what? And why didn't
Speaker 1: you ask me beforehand? Yeah? He had. He had like
Speaker 1: nine different bets that involved multiple tri scores, not in
Speaker 1: the screen final.
Speaker 2: I have not talked to anyone this morning, and I've
Speaker 2: talked to a lot of degenerates today. I have not
Speaker 2: talked to a single person who hit a bit last night.
Speaker 1: No, absolutely, I almost did. Shit, I almost did when
Speaker 1: I just said, will Warwick to score and my multi
Speaker 1: to come in. But it's just no one. No one
Speaker 1: had anything. If it was another one of those scrand
Speaker 1: finals where you've got the Panthers and then in a
Speaker 1: team a sort of middling like if the Sharks or
Speaker 1: someone had got through, Yeah, that's when you'd be getting
Speaker 1: a lot of any times. But against Melbourne, it's not happening. No.
Speaker 1: And like I said before, we all predicted it was
Speaker 1: going to be stingy on defense, and I felt like
Speaker 1: both teams were quite tense when they were Yeah, particularly
Speaker 1: the Panthers I thought were I was talking about it
Speaker 1: at nauseum on the commentary last night, but I was
Speaker 1: like their fifth tackle options were just chaotic. Yeah, there
Speaker 1: was a phase, especially in the first half, where they
Speaker 1: kept sort of they pass it out wide and then
Speaker 1: Luay or someone would pass it back infield against the
Speaker 1: grand play and then all of a sudden, Mitch Kenny's
Speaker 1: got the ball or Isaiah Yo. It's just like, oh shit, okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was quite unpredictable. James Fisher Harris looked out to
Speaker 1: the wing and his eyes lit up, and I think
Speaker 1: you've had in a Panther's jersey was like no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: He thought about it. Isaiah Yo had to think about
Speaker 1: it as well. Yeah, there were a lot of Fords
Speaker 1: getting the ball and having it, like even for the
Speaker 1: stormlic cart with that weird little chip kick that went out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so a lot of guys were definitely was not the
Speaker 1: plans that Ivan Clear and Bellamy had put in place?
Speaker 2: Or are they both so good that they shut down
Speaker 2: what each other was trying to do?
Speaker 1: So okay, this is how good they are as coaches.
Speaker 1: They're now getting benefit of the doubtful like bad things
Speaker 1: that happened. Yeah, well no, I'm saying like defensively, both
Speaker 1: teams were so excellent defensively. Maybe okay, maybe why the
Speaker 1: Panthers looked so frantic on the fifth tackle was because
Speaker 1: Melbourne Storm coming. He knew exactly what they were trying
Speaker 1: to do. He's like, let's just shut it down. I've
Speaker 1: got to say I didn't. I didn't actually see who
Speaker 1: ended up giving the Clive Churchill was it Liam Martin?
Speaker 1: Was Liam Martin? Well scored a try stole the ball
Speaker 1: clean off. Xavier coach could have scored himself again, Yeah,
Speaker 1: freaked out and pasted it, but it ended up being
Speaker 1: a Paul Alamodi try in the corner, even though he
Speaker 1: was very unhealthy and his shoulder was knaked shit. Nathan
Speaker 1: Clear was just any everything his running game, he was.
Speaker 1: He's such a good player.
Speaker 2: There is a chance that we're watching one of the
Speaker 2: greatest players of all time. There's a chance we're watching
Speaker 2: the greatest rugby league player of all time. That's it's
Speaker 2: all said and done. It's going to be very hard
Speaker 2: to argue against. And I would actually say that now
Speaker 2: that they've hit this four.
Speaker 1: Peat, and in fact, I probably would have said this
Speaker 1: last year. I reckon and I'm not a great historian
Speaker 1: of the game, but I'm willing to go on wax
Speaker 1: and say this the other greatest rugby league team of
Speaker 1: all time, this Penwrith Panthers dynasty. So what are the teams? Then?
Speaker 1: This is where we need Ben Hurley and Die Henwood.
Speaker 1: What are the teams that would you know, well, the
Speaker 1: one that sticks out.
Speaker 2: So this is the third team in history to win
Speaker 2: four straight premierships, and the first since Saint George, who
Speaker 2: won eleven in a row from nineteen fifty six to
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty six.
Speaker 1: I'm going to go ahead and say that's the greatest NL. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but eleven man, would you say, who do you think
Speaker 1: is the greatest basketball player of all time? Blake Griffin? Okay,
Speaker 1: and so he's won how many titles? No? Now, because
Speaker 1: he was my favorite player for a long time, I'd
Speaker 1: say the best basketball player of all time is probably
Speaker 1: Lebron James. Yeah, and so he's won four or five? Yeah, four,
Speaker 1: He's been there and thereabouts a lot.
Speaker 2: If you want to say Michael Jordan's the best for
Speaker 2: bust same player of all time, he won six, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's right. Bill Russell won eleven championships, but nobody considers
Speaker 2: him to be the greatest of all time.
Speaker 1: And when you think about it, too, basketball's five players
Speaker 1: on the team, so he's a pretty light pevotal role.
Speaker 1: He's not one of thirteen. He's twenty percent of the thing.
Speaker 2: So all I'm saying is eleven in a row back
Speaker 2: in nineteen fifty. I just don't think it really. No
Speaker 2: one can remember that team done lately. Yeah, that's that's
Speaker 2: all right, But also it just I don't know, there's
Speaker 2: just something about this team. If you want to say
Speaker 2: that that st George side that won eleven in a
Speaker 2: row is the greatest NFL team or Rugby league team
Speaker 2: of all time. Then you've also got to say that
Speaker 2: Bill Russell is the greatest basketball player of all time.
Speaker 1: Well, the difference is eleven in a row that Bill
Speaker 1: Russell did the exact same thing. No, no, no, compared to
Speaker 1: four in a row, That is a huge gap. That's
Speaker 1: not Lebron with his four or whatever. It is compared
Speaker 1: to Michael Jordan's six. No, but it's Lebron compared to
Speaker 1: Bill Russell. It's literally the same number. Okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have to do some more research into this, Saint George.
Speaker 1: I want to know how many people will play, how
Speaker 1: many teams there were, Zach Lomax aren't still firing? Was
Speaker 1: there a party at Paul Vaughan's, That's right. I wanted
Speaker 1: to know all this sort of stuff. Was there a
Speaker 1: was Corey Norman hiding underneath the bed? These are the
Speaker 1: things we need to know about that team from the
Speaker 1: fifties through to the If anyone listening that was sort
Speaker 1: of old enough to have witnessed that, so you know,
Speaker 1: maybe eighteen onwards, Yeah, it's listening right now, So you
Speaker 1: probably what almost ninety at least, ye send us a
Speaker 1: talk back on the iHeartRadio ninety years old, get your
Speaker 1: nurse to fire one through for you, Yeah, and joining
Speaker 1: the discussion. Yeah, I don't know. I just think it's
Speaker 1: it's definitely a discussion now. And I know it's always.
Speaker 2: Weird when we when we're watching them play, Like the
Speaker 2: same thing's happening with Lebron where it's like, how can
Speaker 2: you say that he's the best? It's hard to say
Speaker 2: when you're watching him. I you know, like I said,
Speaker 2: I was a kid when Joey John's was doing his
Speaker 2: thing but for all his purposes, a lot of people
Speaker 2: saying he was one of the greatest of all time.
Speaker 1: It is hard to And also that's sixty years ago
Speaker 1: almost that they won their last one. That is just
Speaker 1: such half a century. Yeah, it's a different game, man,
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 2: It's like when you go back and watch Pine Tree
Speaker 2: Meads videos, Broddertallic would snap Pine Tree Meads and half.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And if you put the Panthers out against that
Speaker 1: original team, they would abou destroy them one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: But I just think it's it's tough.
Speaker 2: It's the same thing that's happening not to use another
Speaker 2: basketball analogy, but when the Golden State Warriors were dusting
Speaker 2: everyone and people were starting to get a little bit
Speaker 2: bored of it. Now we look back on it and
Speaker 2: we're like, that was greatness and we got to witness it.
Speaker 2: I think that's how we look back on this Penrith
Speaker 2: Panthers team.
Speaker 1: That's how you know it was greatness because it was
Speaker 1: just suffocating the life out of everyone with how great
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 2: And casual fans were like, oh god, these guys again. Yeah,
Speaker 2: my missus one of the storm to win just because
Speaker 2: she's sick of the Panthers.
Speaker 1: That's good. That's how good they've been. Yeah, and she's
Speaker 1: not exactly like a you know, an into it legey. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she just is sick of hearing about the Panthers being good.
Speaker 1: That's right. Ah. What do you think the Panthers moving forward? Obviously, Leuile,
Speaker 1: there's quite a lot of players leaving sort of. James
Speaker 1: Fisher Harris is leaving as well.
Speaker 2: Would it surprise you to know that the Panthers four
Speaker 2: dollars twenty five favorites to win it again next year?
Speaker 1: No, it doesn't, because every single person they bring through
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter who is leaving. You know, Stephen Crichton left,
Speaker 1: Matt burdenle It just does not matter. Viliami Keku left
Speaker 1: and that left side was the most dominant side in
Speaker 1: the NRL last season and now it's not. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: They still won't up cottas Ou left. So like if
Speaker 1: you put those are some top level players, it has
Speaker 1: not made a difference. They've still got Cleary, They've still
Speaker 1: got Yo. I think it's a massive part of this
Speaker 1: and probably one of the underrated members of that team.
Speaker 1: Well they lost Lynn you as well, yes, so, but
Speaker 1: now they've got all these other follows coming off the
Speaker 1: bench that have just slotted into these roles. You've got
Speaker 1: Schneider in the haves, who seems pretty sound. Ye looks
Speaker 1: like he rode for Germany at the Olympics. I saw
Speaker 1: him on the sideline For some reason, I just had
Speaker 1: never seen what night to look like. I don't know why.
Speaker 1: Up close did he wear headgear? Yeah, and so seeing
Speaker 1: this like Nazi Hitler youth guy on the sideline, the Schnyder. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But I to be honest, five in a row, I
Speaker 1: think it will happen.
Speaker 2: I mean, James Fisher, Harris, you know he's a big loss, Louis.
Speaker 2: I wonder about whether the team may get better for
Speaker 2: not having I.
Speaker 1: Think we like to think that because he's a prick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I bet, I bet it'll be worse without him.
Speaker 2: I couldn't watch all of the celebrations that he was doing.
Speaker 2: There was a photo that was doing the rounds and
Speaker 2: it's him leaning up against the goalposts with all his
Speaker 2: like his medal around his neck and blah blah blah,
Speaker 2: and the caption was, what do you think is going
Speaker 2: through his head right now? I was like, I guarantee
Speaker 2: what's going through his head right now? Is I bet
Speaker 2: I look sick.
Speaker 1: Sitting every celebration, he had to just be right there,
Speaker 1: front and center in the middle of it, as if
Speaker 1: it was his celebration and he was sort of ring
Speaker 1: leading it for everyone else his birthday party and you're
Speaker 1: all just invited. That's exactly what it was like. Well,
Speaker 1: at least he's not going to have that at the
Speaker 1: Tigers unless, and this is going to be really annoying,
Speaker 1: he really spearheads a turnaround and is like an all
Speaker 1: time great After that, all's forgiven at that point. But
Speaker 1: then we would have to just be like, Okay, he's
Speaker 1: a deck but he's pretty damn good. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: think that's gonna happen.
Speaker 2: I'm not there now, despite the fact that he's just one.
Speaker 2: For the last four years, if he's walked onto a
Speaker 2: rugby league pitch to play in a competition, he's won it.
Speaker 1: Unless it's in New South Wales. Is probably the only hookut. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know, but everything else good as goal. I
Speaker 1: think did he play for some more as well? Eighty
Speaker 1: thou attendance as well?
Speaker 2: And that's the stadium of course, stadium there that they've
Speaker 2: been having a lot of issues with this year where
Speaker 2: they've been. They've booked a lot of games there, but
Speaker 2: no one, no one's turning up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's just a I forget what the term
Speaker 1: is when it's just like it sucks the life out
Speaker 1: so massive. I know, it's one of those stadiums that
Speaker 1: it's no I feel like it's no one's true home ground.
Speaker 2: No one feels an affinity to it. So it's like,
Speaker 2: I don't know. But but when it is full, it
Speaker 2: looks ridiculous. I mean it looks like a toilet bowl. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's Hessen.
Speaker 1: From from the top angle there. It looks like it,
Speaker 1: but eighty thousand people in the air. Well, it's like
Speaker 1: playing at Wimbley or something. Right, It's just it's the
Speaker 1: big dog of Australian stadiums. You haven't you're the right
Speaker 1: for these two teams to be there. It's just packed out.
Speaker 1: This fireworks the Kidler Roy is playing. Yeah, there's plenty
Speaker 1: of as we're saying on the commentary last night, now
Speaker 1: that's what I call white people music. Volume one was
Speaker 1: in full blast, which was great. Oh my god. So
Speaker 1: they had Sweet Caroline it was the first one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they had. The next one was take Me Home Country, right,
Speaker 1: Home Country Roads. The Gambler came on after me saying
Speaker 1: I wonder if the Gambler will be on there. Sure enough,
Speaker 1: the very next one, the Gambler. It was out of control. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there are hits. It's a universal thing. There are hits
Speaker 1: that people just fucking love. Oh. Absolutely, we're at Oktoberfish.
Speaker 1: That's exactly all of the songs they played in the
Speaker 1: English speaking tents. Just play that shit. Oh man, it's
Speaker 1: like they were just dancing Queen One, dancing Queen away
Speaker 1: from just you know, playing the full album back to back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just call of an atmosphere that looks so great, bringing
Speaker 1: the place to its knees. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Another thing I thought funny that was funny on social
Speaker 2: media this morning was almost every outlet posted a picture
Speaker 2: of the kid l Roy and said, how do we
Speaker 2: rate that performance?
Speaker 1: What do we think of that performance? I felt like
Speaker 1: they were trying to bait. Yeah. Absolutely, they were introversial opinion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and all of the top comments are always were
Speaker 2: always like great, love him, he's Aussie, he's a league fan,
Speaker 2: a brilliant because I think for the longest time, the
Speaker 2: NRL has been stuck in this like eighties promo thing.
Speaker 2: They play old rock bands and they you know, and
Speaker 2: and that kind of music. They promote it like it's Bathurst.
Speaker 2: It's like this year, do we go Cold Chizzel again
Speaker 2: or wolf Mother?
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2: But it's like what percentage of the league now is
Speaker 2: of Polynesian descent.
Speaker 1: They don't. They're not listening to the Cold Chizelna Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: they're missing out. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And because and because the you know, it's growing, so
Speaker 2: the audience is getting younger and younger. They don't associate
Speaker 2: the league with old rock bands anymore.
Speaker 1: No, And so what they did. There was but the kid.
Speaker 1: And to be honest, the kid LaRoy is almost I
Speaker 1: don't I'm not across as too young for me as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, all of that. We're fitting into the older
Speaker 1: fellers category now. And so you had the kid l
Speaker 1: Royce and all the sons and the daughters of league
Speaker 1: fans were entertained and then boom, Sweet Caroline comes on
Speaker 1: for us old bases. You know, everyone's happy, So just
Speaker 1: get like a nice common ground there. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I think the other thing about the pregame entertainment
Speaker 2: is it always looks shit. When you're playing on a
Speaker 2: rugby league field, which is enormous. You can't see the
Speaker 2: guys down there on the track. It always looks shit,
Speaker 2: it does. It don't really matter who it is. Man
Speaker 2: Embone's six sixty did the Aedton Park No the Grand Final?
Speaker 2: Oh my god? And they got shit on. I hated
Speaker 2: it works because it's supposed to be this big hype up.
Speaker 1: For the game. They're like, don't forget your roots. It's like,
Speaker 1: the fuck are these guys.
Speaker 2: The game wasn't without its controversy, though, I think one
Speaker 2: of the biggest ones was I mean, I mean, it's
Speaker 2: the biggest cont controversy from the game, the Jack hewth
Speaker 2: try no try in the fiftieth minute when we watched
Speaker 2: it live and they showed that first replay on the TV,
Speaker 2: you could see the ball touch the ground.
Speaker 1: But have you seen the other replay angles that round?
Speaker 1: I have, Yeah, so I don't think that cancels out
Speaker 1: the first one though. I think the mistake they made
Speaker 1: was obviously in the bunker they've got because I've been
Speaker 1: in control rooms before. The one at Sky there's fifteen
Speaker 1: camera angles, yeah, and they've only allocated three and a
Speaker 1: shot of the referee to be the ones on screen,
Speaker 1: so they're looking at more than just the ones we're
Speaker 1: looking at. But in order to avoid controversy, controversy, controversy,
Speaker 1: they need to flash that one up, you know. They
Speaker 1: need to put that one up first and get everyone
Speaker 1: on the same page. And they'd be like, it's no try, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right. And the other thing is if you're going
Speaker 1: to have a bunker then and we stopped the game,
Speaker 1: then let's go through the whole process. I don't think
Speaker 1: anyone's too worried. If it takes like three minutes.
Speaker 2: They've split it right up. Having that I know, and
Speaker 2: that's what it felt like it was last night. It
Speaker 2: was like they showed us that one on TV. They
Speaker 2: watched however many others they did, and then they were like, no, no,
Speaker 2: it's not a try. I do feel like the NRL
Speaker 2: has done a great job today of plastering that video
Speaker 2: that we've seen everywhere, because I've heard that they took
Speaker 2: all the media into a room after the game and
Speaker 2: showed them that replay.
Speaker 1: Great.
Speaker 2: So yeah, but I feel like it's a bit of propaganda.
Speaker 2: But I wonder if we can't afford to have this
Speaker 2: be the storyline. So what we need to do is
Speaker 2: Floody runs social media channels with this other angle that
Speaker 2: looks like there's a hand underneath the ball.
Speaker 1: Well, it didn't look like it there was a hand
Speaker 1: underneath the ball, So then what was that other one
Speaker 1: where you could clearly see it hitting the checker of
Speaker 1: the lens refraction, So that one's refraction, but the arm
Speaker 1: under the ball don't. I don't know. All I know
Speaker 1: is that Jack Howith almost lost them that game by
Speaker 1: not scoring the try. He went in in a real
Speaker 1: non try score of fashion. He's pretty young and inexperienced fella. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and like just get the ball on the ground. He
Speaker 1: did it weird, it was like and it was just
Speaker 1: the wrong way to score a try. And if he
Speaker 1: had scored that, Melbourne would have been slightly hid. They
Speaker 1: would have drawn a level yeah, yeah, and then had
Speaker 1: a kick. Well that's the thing, and then you know,
Speaker 1: the Panthers second try through Liam Martin was a total
Speaker 1: like just freak him stealing the ball of Xavier Coats
Speaker 1: like that is something that's just I just feel like
Speaker 1: it would have been a completely different result. Yes, if
Speaker 1: he had just scored the try, like it was not
Speaker 1: a hard one to score, yeah, and he went incorrectly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do, in my heart of hearts, believe he
Speaker 2: scored that. I know that there's that other angle going
Speaker 2: around as well, but I just can't I can't get
Speaker 2: that first angle out that we saw on the game.
Speaker 1: I can't get that out of my head. But the
Speaker 1: first angle, though, it wasn't conclusive. I was looking at
Speaker 1: it going like far, that looks like it was a try,
Speaker 1: but I'm not like, oh, that definitely was a try, yeah,
Speaker 1: whereas the angle going around was oh no, that clearly
Speaker 1: was held up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But there was all so like multiple points where
Speaker 2: he was held up, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 2: he initially got it down then was held up again. Look,
Speaker 2: it's all very confusing. I don't think that's why they
Speaker 2: lost the game.
Speaker 1: But I did enjoy watching another team get dutted by
Speaker 1: the bunker, and it was Melbourne. It's usually the other
Speaker 1: way around, Yeah, so I don't really care. Suck on that. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The other one that while we're talking about replays, the
Speaker 2: Pappenhausen kick out on the full.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, with the Sirrenson catching it.
Speaker 2: So Sorenson Pappy sliced this kick off the team, There's
Speaker 2: no two ways about it. And it was curving towards
Speaker 2: the sideline and Sorenson did the old foot and touch
Speaker 2: catch thing. When you watch the replay very slowly his.
Speaker 1: Foot was off the ground, yes, and he caught it
Speaker 1: right foot was touching in play and then his left
Speaker 1: foot went out, which is him taking it out. It was.
Speaker 1: It was so very quick. Yeah.
Speaker 2: But again, if we're going to have the bunker, you
Speaker 2: might as well sit there and go through it and
Speaker 2: go letter of the law. Now, as we always talk
Speaker 2: about on this podcast, the NRL adjudicated on Vibe and
Speaker 2: the vibe was Pappy's kicked that out on the full.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent and Sorenson he's a backgroun. I felt
Speaker 1: that there's a bit of leeway for that as well.
Speaker 1: The forward has caught it and pulled off this great move.
Speaker 2: I just think if that was the NFL, that would
Speaker 2: have been called that he take he had taken it.
Speaker 1: In the NFL, that's so many more stoppages and fucking around,
Speaker 1: whereas in the NL they wanted to keep it moving.
Speaker 1: I wonder, can you challenge that because they probably if
Speaker 1: they had challenged it, they probably would have been successful.
Speaker 1: But who's going to challenge that after an absolute shocking kick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so maybe they could have actually tended around, But well
Speaker 1: that's what the challenge is for, right, Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2: It's still there was a challenge. We saw another challenge
Speaker 2: in the first twenty minutes. I think it was an
Speaker 2: Alamodi maybe he had challenged right.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It was like a kick catch knock on sort of situation,
Speaker 2: and they got away with it because it was inconclusive,
Speaker 2: so they retained their challenge. But I have been saying, oh,
Speaker 2: year and obviously great ones and Maya deciding these things.
Speaker 2: I would not burn a challenge in the first sixty
Speaker 2: minutes of any NRL game, Absolutely not.
Speaker 1: You need that.
Speaker 2: When it comes down to it, you're going to need
Speaker 2: that challenge. I just would have a blanket roll and
Speaker 2: be like, guys, I'm sorry as the coach. Look, you
Speaker 2: might You're probably right. You might be right. We'll check
Speaker 2: it on Monday, we'll check the footage. You probably would
Speaker 2: have been right. We're not fucking burning it.
Speaker 1: So I guess Ivan Cleary has full trust in Yo
Speaker 1: is the captain, right, Yeah, full trust in him. But
Speaker 1: I was really surprised that the Panthers did that because
Speaker 1: that's not something the Panthers will do. That's something the
Speaker 1: Warriors will do. And I don't know if you can
Speaker 1: remember a couple of years ago though, talking about medically
Speaker 1: retiring Isao for a string of concussions. You think it's
Speaker 1: going back to bite him. Now, well, I mean he
Speaker 1: got away with that one. But yeah, just as a rule,
Speaker 1: I would love, you know, for the Warriors, the team
Speaker 1: that I support that I love watching, I fucking hate
Speaker 1: seeing even when it's clear as day. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: just cop it.
Speaker 2: In that first particularly in the first half. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: I would say, right, up until that fourth quarter. Don't
Speaker 2: bother burning it because you just don't know what you're
Speaker 2: going to need to.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The other thing is the challenge has way more value
Speaker 2: at the end of the game because how many times
Speaker 2: have we seen a team use their challenge just to
Speaker 2: use it to have a.
Speaker 1: Rest as well, have a breather when you hold on
Speaker 1: defense or something. Panthers actually did it just last night.
Speaker 1: And at the end of that game.
Speaker 2: The Panthers turned away five consecutive That was crazy sets
Speaker 2: from the Melbourne Storm. And I think, yeah, and I
Speaker 2: think if they're going to, you know, take any pride,
Speaker 2: well not take any pride, but the thing they should
Speaker 2: take the most pride in from this game is that.
Speaker 1: The way they held them out because there were a
Speaker 1: few moments in the game where Melbourne started to throw
Speaker 1: the ball around a bit and you know, found space
Speaker 1: through the middle. Harry Grant, to be honest, he had
Speaker 1: a great game, but he wasn't sort of breaking things
Speaker 1: open through the middle as much as they needed him
Speaker 1: too in order to you know, ask questions. But it
Speaker 1: was that five straight Melbourne set where they just couldn't
Speaker 1: get anything happening. I think quite a few of those
Speaker 1: sets were finishing with sort of the ball and a
Speaker 1: back rower's hands or something, so there was a couple
Speaker 1: of those in there, but still the Panthers were on
Speaker 1: their own line, pinned down for a good five minutes
Speaker 1: or something, and it just they just waited it out,
Speaker 1: waited it out the way they've been doing for the
Speaker 1: past four years, and then just wait for the other
Speaker 1: team to make a mistake, boom their ball, go down
Speaker 1: the other end of the field and usually score a try. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they actually scored twice that way. That was just very
Speaker 1: Panthers and it's super demoralizing too, because like Melbourne came
Speaker 1: out firing, man. Yeah, in the opening fifteen I was like, shit,
Speaker 1: Melbourn's gonna win this. The Panthers were like, you know,
Speaker 1: sort of just making the tackles and blah blah blahlah blah.
Speaker 1: But they were making them. And then after a while
Speaker 1: Melbourn started to run out of gas and the Panthers,
Speaker 1: just after weathering twenty minutes of punishment, had scored a
Speaker 1: try within five minutes of their own punishment, which is demoralizing,
Speaker 1: hugely demoralizing.
Speaker 2: So and then that boyed them to take on those
Speaker 2: five repeat sets. I thought Hughes looked injured.
Speaker 1: He wasn't right. Well, I like to think he wasn't
Speaker 1: right either that or as the Pantsman was calling, he
Speaker 1: massively choked or was an isaac I can't remember. Uh oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think it was a choke.
Speaker 2: You could see him limping around. He we mentioned in
Speaker 2: commentary last night, we really hadn't seen it name. No,
Speaker 2: for most of the game, it was just kicking and yeah,
Speaker 2: Munster seemed to have It was almost like Hughes was
Speaker 2: a bit injured, and so Monster was like, shit, I've
Speaker 2: been injured in a bit rough all season, but I'm
Speaker 2: going to have to get the ball and try to
Speaker 2: be the one to spark things. Because he was trying
Speaker 2: and he was failing, Like he dropped the ball cold
Speaker 2: and made quite a few mistakes. Yeah, he was trying
Speaker 2: really hard to.
Speaker 1: Be that guy. Yeah, one hundred percents. Hughes was sitting
Speaker 1: in the pocket, yeah, and just went missing for a
Speaker 1: large part of that game. I think we will find
Speaker 1: out that he's quite injured. By the time you listen
Speaker 1: to this podcast, you'll probably know. Worrying thing about that
Speaker 1: is now we go into the international window, the kiwis
Speaker 1: he's our half back. Even before the Stacy Jones last
Speaker 1: week had rung Seawan Johnson and said, look, hopefully it
Speaker 1: doesn't happen, but if Hughes gets injured, would you be free?
Speaker 1: And he said I'll get back to you, and then
Speaker 1: he got back to him and said no, and so well,
Speaker 1: I don't think this close to your retirement, like he's
Speaker 1: been retired for just over a month. Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like you come to talk to me
Speaker 1: after a month of retiring, I'm going to tell you,
Speaker 1: you know, piss off, basic mate, Tell you come talk
Speaker 1: to me the day after I've done a podcast. It
Speaker 1: asked me to do another podcast. Well fuck that. But
Speaker 1: apparently the Achilles was still was still playing. Well that's
Speaker 1: the reason why he's called it quartz. But who's our
Speaker 1: halfback then for the Killies? Nikoima? Yeah is it? I
Speaker 1: don't know, Kieren Forn get another run? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I reckon to Mighty Martin's probably to Mighty Martin, ye
Speaker 1: man standing and then we'll find out he played for
Speaker 1: Queensland at some point. And now we can't well let's
Speaker 1: not let's not react too quickly to Jerome Hughes having
Speaker 1: an off game because he might have just had a niggle.
Speaker 1: So still got a few weeks, so hopefully we don't
Speaker 1: have to worry about that Munster. Did he bite him
Speaker 1: or not? Yeah, he definitely bet him. Yeah, we talked
Speaker 1: about it last night.
Speaker 2: It looked like when you're biting into a piece of chicken,
Speaker 2: a piece of KFC, and then you pull it.
Speaker 1: There's a little bit of tension.
Speaker 2: There before the things, and that's exactly what happened there,
Speaker 2: that's right.
Speaker 1: And to be fear, Alamotti's forearm was right pushing and
Speaker 1: squeezing right up against his mouth, so he almost forced
Speaker 1: his arm into the air, and then Munster just bit
Speaker 1: down and then as Alamotti pulled it away, it obviously
Speaker 1: hurt Monster's teeth away because he's, oh, what the hell,
Speaker 1: essentially giving away the fact that yes, he was biting him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he's on report. Should you be allowed to bite
Speaker 1: a man's arm if he puts it in your mouth? Well,
Speaker 1: I think it's you say the NRL's left on vibe.
Speaker 1: I think the vibe of that was it's sort of
Speaker 1: a mutual situation, you know. It wasn't him going out
Speaker 1: of his way to bite someone was in his mouth. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: I was talking about this with Lane this morning on
Speaker 1: the Gender Podcast and I was like, well, so if
Speaker 1: your if your face is in front of my fist
Speaker 1: and then allowed to punch you, is how that works?
Speaker 1: And he was like, well, yeah, if you're just.
Speaker 2: Standing there throwing punches in midfield and someone walks into
Speaker 2: the way of one of those punches.
Speaker 1: That's right, it is. They knew it was that. Yees.
Speaker 1: So I think he'll get off it. I think he has.
Speaker 1: I think I saw this morning. They've already cleared it.
Speaker 1: The NRL don't want that being a storyline. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: was praying that he'd get like a four game suspension
Speaker 1: and we'd play the Melbourne Storm in the first It's
Speaker 1: not how it works, man. We'll get him on week
Speaker 1: five if that's the case.
Speaker 2: Twenty six dollars for the Warriors to win next year,
Speaker 2: by the way, we're about middle of the field, good odds. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, if you think we're gonna if you think
Speaker 2: next year is our.
Speaker 1: Year, do we have twenty six bucks? Do we have
Speaker 1: a tob hunch bonus bet or anything we just chucked
Speaker 1: out right now? We don't. They've gotten onto us that
Speaker 1: we've got no more NRL to punch. Ah bugger, Well
Speaker 1: are you thinking little futures bit just a little like
Speaker 1: do you remember this time last year we put that
Speaker 1: hundred bucks on man? That was genius? Yeah. I mean
Speaker 1: I have not a lot of faith as of yet
Speaker 1: that that's going to come in. I need the stink
Speaker 1: of this season to settle. Yeah, and I need to
Speaker 1: see some pre season and some big signings and stuff
Speaker 1: to get me fizzed up again. Yeah, one hundred percent,
Speaker 1: just to get us onto that twenty six dollars. The
Speaker 1: Storm actually tied with Panthers for the shortest odds next
Speaker 1: year Ford dollers twenty five. Do you subscribe to the
Speaker 1: theory that after you lose a Grand Final to the
Speaker 1: penwith Panthers, your team goes to shit? I traditionally do.
Speaker 1: But I think it was more that the teams like
Speaker 1: Broncos for example, who Yeah, they went to shit eels, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Rabbit O's rabbit Os. I think that was more a
Speaker 1: factor of those teams just happened to get everything right
Speaker 1: so that they could get to the final just with
Speaker 1: everything they had, and then it didn't work, and then
Speaker 1: it all crumbled away. I don't think that's the Melbourne Storm.
Speaker 1: The melbourn Storm have been guns for so long. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right, So I don't think it will be about
Speaker 1: those other teams. Yes, absolutely, because who are the Melbourne
Speaker 1: Storm losing this year? No one, really, no one. And
Speaker 1: that it was after that last Grand Final they won
Speaker 1: against the Panthers, that's right, that's when they lost everyone.
Speaker 1: They lost the Broniz brothers, that's right. So they had
Speaker 1: to rebuilding and yeah, completely redesigned things. And also they've
Speaker 1: had a horror run with injuries to their key players
Speaker 1: like Papenalzen and stuff. So I think Melbourne will probably
Speaker 1: be in the conversation next season. They'll probably be second
Speaker 1: on the table by the end of the season or something.
Speaker 1: You know, overall scores on the game, how did you
Speaker 1: find that game was to watch as far as the
Speaker 1: Grand Final goes, But for me, we were treated last year.
Speaker 1: Last year's Grand Final was arguably.
Speaker 2: Yes, it was great, one of the greatest of all time,
Speaker 2: one of I'd probably put it second in my living
Speaker 2: memory behind the Jonathan Thurston of course.
Speaker 1: Yeah one twenty fifteen is it? Yeah, that was the
Speaker 1: Ben Hunt drop ball gold point. It was a lot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there was a lot going and rewatched that one. There's
Speaker 1: a lot going on in that game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think the Benji Marshallow five flick Parcel
Speaker 2: always absolutely living our memories and obviously any Grand Final
Speaker 2: that we played in, although we got humped by the Eels,
Speaker 2: and yeah, I think this one, if I had to
Speaker 2: give it a rating out of ten, probably like a
Speaker 2: six or five.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like two teams I don't like. Yeah, playing some
Speaker 1: pretty shaky ball to begin with, and then it was
Speaker 1: low scoring. Yeah, lou I won four in a row.
Speaker 1: I think it's a five. Yeah, Yeah, I think it's
Speaker 1: about a five for me as well. It wasn't enough drama, nah,
Speaker 1: Like it wasn't like a good State of Origin Game
Speaker 1: three matchup where it's all on and it's high intensity
Speaker 1: and stuff. It's just it wasn't this year. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: to be fair, the whole final series has been pretty average. Yeah,
Speaker 1: after what's been a great season. Yeah, it's almost like
Speaker 1: usually the season most pretty predictable and then the final
Speaker 1: series is where the interesting stuff happens. That was not
Speaker 1: the case this yet. It was the other way around. No,
Speaker 1: it was a very interesting regular season, although very disappointing
Speaker 1: for the Warriors and then yeah, disappointing of postseason. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna give it five out of ten. What
Speaker 1: about you? Yeah, I'm exactly the same.
Speaker 2: This is no different to me than the rabbit oz
Speaker 2: one than the Eels one.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Obviously last year was tremendous. So yeah, I was
Speaker 1: about a five as far as Green Final, like if
Speaker 1: that was a regular season game, you know, just a
Speaker 1: good match. Yeah, there's a great, great game of rugby league.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 2: I thoroughly enjoyed doing the commentary. The texts we got
Speaker 2: last night were absolutely hilarious. Thank you to everyone that
Speaker 2: texts it in a lot of people on a boat
Speaker 2: off the coast of Samore. Someone even managed to get
Speaker 2: a text through from their page and be route right.
Speaker 2: Someone ticks someone was watching from a trench in Ukraine,
Speaker 2: and another person about seventy five meters below the peak
Speaker 2: the summit of Everest.
Speaker 1: It's just rugby league bringing people together, you know, that'scc
Speaker 1: it's all we're all about and speaking to, bringing people together.
Speaker 1: We need to at some point this week or the
Speaker 1: next get all of us from the Mad Monday crew
Speaker 1: in the same room to record a podcast.
Speaker 2: We'll get die in here. He's still over in Australia,
Speaker 2: by the way. He was at the at the final
Speaker 2: Hurley's Away as well, So we need to get all
Speaker 2: of us to sit down and have a good old
Speaker 2: fashioned debrief for it.
Speaker 1: We're not going to say when that's going to happen,
Speaker 1: but hopefully it happens at some point soon.
Speaker 2: Hopefully it happens this week, but we'll see how we go.
Speaker 2: Otherwise we'll not this thing on the head. Thank you
Speaker 2: very much for joining us today and indeed throughout the season,
Speaker 2: and thank you as always to four and twenty pies.
Speaker 1: We will see you guys later on in Australia without
Speaker 1: rugby league, He's not Australia.