1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,547 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:13,227 Speaker 1: from Newstalk zedb Foot. 3 00:00:13,027 --> 00:00:16,307 Speaker 2: Voting far past to find a knockerup. 4 00:00:16,387 --> 00:00:18,347 Speaker 3: We said to pick it up in the fence. They 5 00:00:18,427 --> 00:00:24,187 Speaker 3: try to pick up they kid. I think he got there, 6 00:00:24,587 --> 00:00:28,587 Speaker 3: his name, his money, a miracle play. 7 00:00:29,787 --> 00:00:33,827 Speaker 4: And he scored the try Damien mccadena. Unreal try from 8 00:00:33,907 --> 00:00:36,347 Speaker 4: Damien McKenzie. Near the end of that one. All Blacks 9 00:00:36,347 --> 00:00:40,707 Speaker 4: twenty five Scotland seventeen. All Black's assistant coach Scott Hansen 10 00:00:40,787 --> 00:00:43,187 Speaker 4: joins us. Scott, thanks for your time. I kind of 11 00:00:43,187 --> 00:00:46,347 Speaker 4: want to divide this analysis into three parts. The first 12 00:00:46,387 --> 00:00:49,507 Speaker 4: part is the first half. So seventeen nil in the 13 00:00:49,547 --> 00:00:52,067 Speaker 4: first half, happy enough at half time? 14 00:00:52,147 --> 00:00:58,027 Speaker 3: Were you? We went in at halftime? We finished well. 15 00:00:58,027 --> 00:01:00,907 Speaker 2: Obviously with that trial on in halftime, we felt that 16 00:01:00,907 --> 00:01:04,307 Speaker 2: we had a position and we controlled that well. We 17 00:01:04,387 --> 00:01:07,067 Speaker 2: showed clips at halftime around the opportunity that we needed 18 00:01:07,067 --> 00:01:09,987 Speaker 2: to get to. We felt good at halftime around where 19 00:01:09,987 --> 00:01:13,427 Speaker 2: we needed to be and to continue to drive the 20 00:01:13,467 --> 00:01:19,227 Speaker 2: game around the position. So obviously going in there, we 21 00:01:19,227 --> 00:01:23,667 Speaker 2: were pretty comfortable around the things that we'd acknowledged where 22 00:01:23,667 --> 00:01:25,707 Speaker 2: Scotland would be and the opportunities that were there. 23 00:01:26,227 --> 00:01:29,227 Speaker 4: So then minutes forty to sixty when they came back 24 00:01:29,267 --> 00:01:32,907 Speaker 4: into it seventeen or what's your analysis of what happened 25 00:01:32,947 --> 00:01:34,547 Speaker 4: in that period. 26 00:01:34,827 --> 00:01:37,467 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, and again not going through the clips, 27 00:01:37,547 --> 00:01:40,907 Speaker 2: but what it felt like in the stand. Obviously, Scotland 28 00:01:40,947 --> 00:01:44,627 Speaker 2: got the momentum, came down the field and they really 29 00:01:44,667 --> 00:01:46,307 Speaker 2: did camp us in our area of the field and 30 00:01:46,347 --> 00:01:49,387 Speaker 2: they in regards to twenty minutes off our trial line, 31 00:01:49,387 --> 00:01:53,027 Speaker 2: they played really good pressure with ball in hands and 32 00:01:53,067 --> 00:01:56,987 Speaker 2: then through that pressure, fortunately we responded around some poor 33 00:01:57,027 --> 00:02:02,387 Speaker 2: decisions with breakdown and or on the balls resulted really 34 00:02:02,427 --> 00:02:04,307 Speaker 2: in the game and those three yellow cards and that's 35 00:02:04,347 --> 00:02:05,307 Speaker 2: never going to help us. 36 00:02:06,427 --> 00:02:08,827 Speaker 3: Some learnings there. 37 00:02:09,947 --> 00:02:12,627 Speaker 2: Started straight away from the kickoff and not regaining that 38 00:02:12,867 --> 00:02:14,867 Speaker 2: gave Scotland a bit of belief and then they rode 39 00:02:14,867 --> 00:02:15,267 Speaker 2: that home. 40 00:02:16,627 --> 00:02:18,667 Speaker 4: In terms of those yellow cards, Scott, how do you 41 00:02:18,707 --> 00:02:21,347 Speaker 4: address those when you do your match review? I know 42 00:02:21,587 --> 00:02:24,747 Speaker 4: the game isn't long over, but how do you address 43 00:02:25,187 --> 00:02:27,227 Speaker 4: yellow cards in your match reviews? 44 00:02:28,947 --> 00:02:31,667 Speaker 2: Oh, you talk about self control, You talk about where 45 00:02:31,667 --> 00:02:34,867 Speaker 2: we are within that pressure, what the team really needs 46 00:02:34,867 --> 00:02:38,027 Speaker 2: from the individual, and basically we can't put ourselves in 47 00:02:38,067 --> 00:02:40,947 Speaker 2: those positions where we're you know, we're playing a Test 48 00:02:40,987 --> 00:02:43,307 Speaker 2: match for thirty minutes with only fourteen on the field. 49 00:02:43,707 --> 00:02:46,467 Speaker 3: That won't be good enough and tonight that nearly cost us. 50 00:02:47,147 --> 00:02:51,387 Speaker 2: So some lessons there just acknowledge where we need to 51 00:02:51,387 --> 00:02:53,027 Speaker 2: be around it and a lot of that was trust. 52 00:02:53,067 --> 00:02:54,947 Speaker 2: Really you look at Wallace, he was trying to do 53 00:02:54,987 --> 00:02:58,467 Speaker 2: the right thing, but really getting one hand to the 54 00:02:58,467 --> 00:03:00,467 Speaker 2: ball on it needs like that, You've just got to 55 00:03:00,507 --> 00:03:02,067 Speaker 2: get two hands to it in that moment. 56 00:03:03,227 --> 00:03:05,907 Speaker 4: So the third part is the last ten minutes which 57 00:03:06,427 --> 00:03:08,827 Speaker 4: won you the Test match? What were you seeing out 58 00:03:08,867 --> 00:03:12,467 Speaker 4: there in particular from your leaders, your game drivers in 59 00:03:12,507 --> 00:03:13,507 Speaker 4: the last ten minutes. 60 00:03:15,027 --> 00:03:16,907 Speaker 3: Yes, a fair point. I don't know if it won 61 00:03:17,027 --> 00:03:17,747 Speaker 3: us to Test match. 62 00:03:18,027 --> 00:03:20,827 Speaker 2: I think when you think about the first half, you 63 00:03:20,947 --> 00:03:23,267 Speaker 2: think around the six to two split that Scotland went 64 00:03:23,267 --> 00:03:26,627 Speaker 2: to where we had to take them around basically taking 65 00:03:26,667 --> 00:03:29,707 Speaker 2: some energy and gets out of their legs, and in 66 00:03:29,747 --> 00:03:33,227 Speaker 2: the last ten minutes that really caught up to them. 67 00:03:33,467 --> 00:03:35,627 Speaker 2: Leaders coming down the field, you look at that moment 68 00:03:35,707 --> 00:03:39,107 Speaker 2: where body Barrett decides to take the opportunity on the 69 00:03:39,187 --> 00:03:41,787 Speaker 2: left edge to the shortkick yest. 70 00:03:42,027 --> 00:03:43,467 Speaker 3: It lands and bounces out. 71 00:03:43,467 --> 00:03:45,787 Speaker 2: But that was a moment that brought Scotland up defensively 72 00:03:46,227 --> 00:03:48,227 Speaker 2: a couple of players later and our Demax putting it 73 00:03:48,227 --> 00:03:51,347 Speaker 2: in the right hand corner. So very brave from our leaders, 74 00:03:51,427 --> 00:03:55,347 Speaker 2: good control around our game and some young all blacks 75 00:03:55,387 --> 00:03:58,507 Speaker 2: out there through effort and care getting the all backs home. 76 00:03:58,627 --> 00:04:00,907 Speaker 2: So I think we can be really proud of is 77 00:04:00,907 --> 00:04:04,987 Speaker 2: how they controlled that. But first and foremost what put 78 00:04:05,067 --> 00:04:07,507 Speaker 2: us in that position and other lettings we've got to take. 79 00:04:08,227 --> 00:04:10,907 Speaker 4: How on earth did Damien McKenzie get that ball down 80 00:04:10,947 --> 00:04:11,507 Speaker 4: in the corner. 81 00:04:13,307 --> 00:04:14,827 Speaker 3: He's pretty special, isn't it. 82 00:04:14,867 --> 00:04:18,747 Speaker 2: I spoke to Jason Holand before and I said, well, Jesus, 83 00:04:18,787 --> 00:04:21,387 Speaker 2: if there's in one the world coming off the bench 84 00:04:21,427 --> 00:04:23,667 Speaker 2: in those moments, then can show me who that has 85 00:04:23,747 --> 00:04:27,227 Speaker 2: Demas been unreal for us around coming off the bench 86 00:04:27,307 --> 00:04:30,747 Speaker 2: giving us that energy and also that game understanding, a 87 00:04:30,907 --> 00:04:33,787 Speaker 2: special moment around keeping the ball and play lista getting 88 00:04:33,787 --> 00:04:36,587 Speaker 2: the offload on the edge, and then this demat. 89 00:04:36,227 --> 00:04:39,347 Speaker 3: Doing what he does and being special. So a nice 90 00:04:39,387 --> 00:04:40,067 Speaker 3: moment there. 91 00:04:40,667 --> 00:04:42,707 Speaker 2: We decided to hold on to position and build it 92 00:04:42,787 --> 00:04:46,067 Speaker 2: through carrying and a good outcome on that left end corner. 93 00:04:46,587 --> 00:04:48,907 Speaker 4: Just with him. Then Scott is he now a guy, 94 00:04:49,027 --> 00:04:51,707 Speaker 4: you say, right, twenty three is the number on your 95 00:04:51,787 --> 00:04:54,747 Speaker 4: back or is he still an option for you in 96 00:04:54,867 --> 00:04:56,147 Speaker 4: the starting side. 97 00:04:56,747 --> 00:04:58,587 Speaker 2: Now, we'll always put to what we feel for the week. 98 00:04:58,787 --> 00:05:00,667 Speaker 2: I just think we're dearmak is around his game and 99 00:05:00,667 --> 00:05:04,627 Speaker 2: what he's given us. There this trust and Dearmak around starting. 100 00:05:04,667 --> 00:05:05,507 Speaker 3: He started a couple of. 101 00:05:05,507 --> 00:05:09,907 Speaker 2: Weeks ago for us against the Wallabies obviously, So what 102 00:05:09,947 --> 00:05:12,667 Speaker 2: I'm acknowledging is what he gives us from the bench 103 00:05:12,667 --> 00:05:17,347 Speaker 2: and that special those special moments, but that's also a 104 00:05:17,347 --> 00:05:20,307 Speaker 2: massive amount of trust and how he leads us around 105 00:05:20,307 --> 00:05:21,667 Speaker 2: the field as a tech when required. 106 00:05:21,707 --> 00:05:25,627 Speaker 4: Also, Hardie Savia talked afterwards about a lack of accuracy 107 00:05:25,667 --> 00:05:28,307 Speaker 4: at times, which put the team under pressure. Scott, how 108 00:05:28,307 --> 00:05:29,707 Speaker 4: do you coach accuracy? 109 00:05:31,307 --> 00:05:32,387 Speaker 3: I ain't going to put the minute. 110 00:05:33,147 --> 00:05:34,787 Speaker 2: If you want accuracy, you've got to put the boys 111 00:05:34,787 --> 00:05:37,027 Speaker 2: in it. So that's our training week, that's the intensity 112 00:05:37,067 --> 00:05:37,547 Speaker 2: that we do. 113 00:05:38,987 --> 00:05:39,947 Speaker 3: Accuracy at times. 114 00:05:40,147 --> 00:05:42,867 Speaker 2: You know, you look at the effort around it, you 115 00:05:42,947 --> 00:05:47,307 Speaker 2: look at the technique and you're right on the border 116 00:05:47,307 --> 00:05:51,307 Speaker 2: for us or you know our forwards the skill sets 117 00:05:51,347 --> 00:05:53,187 Speaker 2: they have at the line, our execution. 118 00:05:53,947 --> 00:05:55,987 Speaker 3: Can we be better in some moments? Of course, but. 119 00:05:57,467 --> 00:06:00,427 Speaker 2: Overall, our athletes and their ability to keep the ball 120 00:06:00,467 --> 00:06:02,147 Speaker 2: and use the balls pretty special for us. 121 00:06:02,187 --> 00:06:04,587 Speaker 3: So we're going to continue to do that. 122 00:06:04,747 --> 00:06:07,987 Speaker 2: Accuracy comes down to the vigils in those pressure moments. 123 00:06:08,587 --> 00:06:11,507 Speaker 4: Can I just ask about one player and that's Peter Larkey. 124 00:06:12,307 --> 00:06:15,347 Speaker 4: What are you saying from him and his emergence as 125 00:06:15,387 --> 00:06:20,147 Speaker 4: a Test loose forward and in that number eight jersey specifically. 126 00:06:20,547 --> 00:06:22,587 Speaker 2: It's just been so pleasing, isn't it. He's such a 127 00:06:22,667 --> 00:06:25,707 Speaker 2: mature young man. He's a great presence around his game. 128 00:06:26,347 --> 00:06:29,987 Speaker 2: He's a natural baller. The way he can present himself 129 00:06:30,027 --> 00:06:32,987 Speaker 2: onto the ball, how he adjusts the line as a 130 00:06:32,987 --> 00:06:36,387 Speaker 2: ball carrier, he's got those in. Some of those qualities 131 00:06:36,467 --> 00:06:40,067 Speaker 2: basically they're uncoachable. He's just a beautiful RUGBA player, a 132 00:06:40,107 --> 00:06:44,787 Speaker 2: fantastic young man defensively was on the ball, his timing 133 00:06:44,787 --> 00:06:47,907 Speaker 2: at the breakdown, his understanding and when and how to 134 00:06:47,907 --> 00:06:49,947 Speaker 2: put pressure on the ball tonight we. 135 00:06:49,947 --> 00:06:52,187 Speaker 3: Needed that because we needed a discipline from him there. 136 00:06:52,907 --> 00:06:54,987 Speaker 2: Didn't always get it right as a team, but Peter's 137 00:06:54,987 --> 00:06:57,067 Speaker 2: a young man that continues just to grow his game 138 00:06:57,107 --> 00:06:58,387 Speaker 2: each week all. 139 00:06:58,427 --> 00:07:02,667 Speaker 4: Right on to the next. Scott Robinson said he's probably 140 00:07:02,747 --> 00:07:05,387 Speaker 4: heard enough bagpipes for a while. Other than that, have 141 00:07:05,467 --> 00:07:06,987 Speaker 4: you enjoyed your time in Scotland? 142 00:07:07,987 --> 00:07:08,827 Speaker 3: Yeah, fantastic. 143 00:07:08,947 --> 00:07:11,387 Speaker 2: Well, you know, what a city to play rugby and 144 00:07:11,427 --> 00:07:15,347 Speaker 2: it's traditional rugby. Grand the crowd and support for Scotland 145 00:07:15,427 --> 00:07:16,427 Speaker 2: and it was phenomenal. 146 00:07:16,987 --> 00:07:19,467 Speaker 3: They really did ride them home. It's been a great 147 00:07:19,507 --> 00:07:20,667 Speaker 3: week for us here in Edinburgh. 148 00:07:20,667 --> 00:07:23,347 Speaker 2: There's a lot of respect to here for the Scottish 149 00:07:23,387 --> 00:07:26,347 Speaker 2: and obviously the love that they're here for the game 150 00:07:26,387 --> 00:07:28,867 Speaker 2: here also, so it's been a good week for the boys. 151 00:07:28,907 --> 00:07:31,827 Speaker 2: We look forward to getting to England, but grateful for 152 00:07:31,867 --> 00:07:34,347 Speaker 2: the opportunity to be here in Scotland and special evening 153 00:07:34,387 --> 00:07:37,107 Speaker 2: really it was the one hundredth very emotional night for 154 00:07:37,147 --> 00:07:40,747 Speaker 2: them around their game and we were good enough on 155 00:07:40,787 --> 00:07:43,147 Speaker 2: the night to get get over the get over the 156 00:07:43,187 --> 00:07:43,907 Speaker 2: line in the end, but. 157 00:07:43,907 --> 00:07:45,347 Speaker 3: It took a lot of effort less for sure. 158 00:07:45,627 --> 00:07:48,547 Speaker 4: Safe travels. Congratulations on the win, Scott, thanks for chatting as. 159 00:07:48,427 --> 00:07:51,787 Speaker 3: Always, Thanks Jess, my pleasure, Thank you mate, all. 160 00:07:51,707 --> 00:07:53,587 Speaker 4: The best made Thanks on Daed Scott Henson there out 161 00:07:53,627 --> 00:07:54,387 Speaker 4: of the All Blacks camp. 162 00:07:54,867 --> 00:07:58,067 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live 163 00:07:58,147 --> 00:08:01,587 Speaker 1: to news Talk ZEDB Weekends from midday or follow the 164 00:08:01,587 --> 00:08:03,107 Speaker 1: podcast on iHeartRadio.