1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: Barry Soaper is here right now, Good afternoon, afternoon, right 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: you like the sound of a hydrogen truck. Hard to 3 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: drive a truck period. 4 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 2: It sounds like a bomb to me. 5 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: You know that's a good point actually, now Tamitha Paul 6 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 1: speaking of bombs, this has gone down like a lead balloon. 7 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 2: She's a bomb shell in Parliament at the moment. Honestly, 8 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 2: well she should be his shell because there's not a 9 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 2: lot of substance there. I've got to say. It's interesting though. 10 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 2: Today in Parliament the Green sat silent as the Police 11 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 2: Minister was being questioned on the move that Tamatha Paul 12 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 2: said she would like is to see beat cops removed. 13 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 2: You remember the parties, she's a party spokeswoman on police. 14 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 2: She talked about the abolition of police, saying a heavier 15 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 2: presence of them on the beat makes people feel less safe. 16 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 2: God only knows where she got that from. The Wellington 17 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 2: Central mp also talked about police moving in on the homeless, 18 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 2: putting their belongings in the rubbish. While all this was 19 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 2: news to the Minister, Mark Mitchell, who told Parliament today 20 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 2: the voter should be aware of the statement being made 21 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:11,479 Speaker 2: at the moment by the Green. 22 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 3: They should be very worried about the prospect of any government, 23 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 3: including a party that entertains the abolition of the police peters. 24 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 4: The Weather's had any submissions from the people in the 25 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 4: leafy suburbs of Candada, Kelbourne and Kori now in Wellington 26 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 4: Central and the latter's boundary change as to their opposition 27 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 4: to having police on the beat and properly policing their suburbs. 28 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 3: I have not personally received one submission from anyone in 29 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 3: the country to say that they're not happy were seeing 30 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 3: our police officers highly visible. 31 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 2: See and that proves my point that I was talking 32 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 2: about yesterday, how the boundary changes could affect tamitha Pool 33 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 2: because she's taking in an area where people probably love 34 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 2: seeing police on the beat. Kandala, Yeah, they're not dead 35 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 2: beats like they are in so parts of central Wellington. 36 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: Clearly right now, the Green's scoring something of an say 37 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: what you really think which you're going to name the 38 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: submitt the particular areas The Green scored something of an 39 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:15,919 Speaker 1: own goal again in the debating game. 40 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 2: They were on their feet later, which is rather surprising. 41 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 2: Our role mate Ricardo Mendez March he was railing against 42 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 2: the sanctions being imposed on beneficiaries. That's the traffic light 43 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 2: system that sees their benefits reduced if they refuse to 44 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 2: look for work. Well, Mende's march, dressed in a leather jacket, 45 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 2: was firing questions at the Employment Minister Louise Upston, who 46 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 2: gave better than she got? Haven't listened? 47 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 5: Forty one percent of benefit entitlements are not even assessed correctly. Well, 48 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 5: I'm not sure that that figure is correct, but what 49 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 5: I will say is that some are overpaid and that 50 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 5: is equally a problem as if they are underpaid. 51 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:55,679 Speaker 4: Right, Honorable Onston Peters on the principle that you don't 52 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 4: get a second chance to make a first impression, what 53 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 4: chance would a job tee can have they turned for 54 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 4: the job wearing a leather jacket. 55 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 6: I'm not sure unless it had a patch. 56 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 3: I'm not sure that there's an answer to that unless 57 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 3: the Minister is aware of something that I'm not. 58 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 5: What they wear is entirely needs to be appropriate for 59 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 5: the job they're applying for or in this case, the 60 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 5: job they've got. 61 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 2: She was roudly applauded for that from the government benches. 62 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: On my dad, that's funny now, Elon Musk, the well, 63 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: the Elon Musk of the beehive. 64 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 2: She is, isn't she, Judith Corlins, I mean she's incredible. 65 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 2: She came out today with the figures and which is 66 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 2: quite extraordinary because you. 67 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 4: Know the. 68 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 2: Basically consultants and contractors. She said that they would save 69 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 2: four hundred million in the first year on them. While 70 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 2: they're bettering that target they've saved she says eight hundred 71 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 2: million will be by the end of June. So those 72 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 2: poor sods who are involved in pr and the capital 73 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 2: will be doing it hard at the moment. But the 74 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 2: Public Service Commission, they came out with data today today 75 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 2: showing that the workforce decreased by four percent. So big 76 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 2: numbers you're looking at the public service are now at 77 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 2: almost sixty three thousand. There were a couple of thousand 78 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 2: more than that before this government took offers, and that 79 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 2: doesn't include police, teachers and the like. Well, Judith Collins, 80 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 2: she gave a pretty clear impression. I thought in Parliament 81 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 2: that the public service has in some areas been politicized. 82 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 2: Here she is defending the cuts to the public service. Number. 83 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 6: I expect the public service to get back to basics 84 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 6: sticking to its core functions and delivering outcomes for the 85 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 6: taxpayers that we all serve. I also want to see 86 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 6: core principles of the public service maintained, like political neutrality, 87 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 6: like appointment on merits to all positions, and professional competence. 88 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,359 Speaker 2: See that political neutrality thing. It is quite interesting, isn't it, 89 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 2: Because clearly this government felt under siege. I think the 90 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 2: first year that it took offers that they were being 91 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 2: undermined by the public service, and I think to a 92 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 2: large extent they were. That public servants were leaking like 93 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 2: sieves to the media and anything negative about the government 94 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:22,919 Speaker 2: was being picked up and really used in a way 95 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:25,840 Speaker 2: to try and discredit the government. But you know, the 96 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 2: public service was bloated, there's no doubt about that. But 97 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 2: then normally when you cut back, you take on more consultants. 98 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 2: Well that's not going to be the case. 99 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 7: No, And it's not the numbers fear that out do 100 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 7: colins to be on the shaft five and ask her 101 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 7: about that. But just on the public service neutrality, I 102 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 7: was talking to a public servant the other day who said, 103 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 7: when the treaty protests were happening down in Wellington, of 104 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 7: course a lot of these public servants went and took 105 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 7: part during the during worktime and then went back to 106 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 7: the office and they were still wearing their getting shirts 107 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 7: with the T shirts and the branding and everything. 108 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 1: So you can't do that, No, you can't, No, you can't. 109 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: And it doesn't matter whether you're supporting a COVID nineteen 110 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 1: anti VAXX thing or a treaty thing. You can't do that. 111 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 3: No. 112 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 2: Well, you meant you meant to be impartial, You meant 113 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 2: to be a servant of the public and the public 114 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 2: without political persuasion. But you know, I think we've seen 115 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 2: that line being crossed quite a bit lately. 116 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 1: Barry Soper, Senior political correspondent. News talksb for more from 117 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 1: Heather Duplessy Allen Drive. 118 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 4: Listen live to News Talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, 119 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 4: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.