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Speaker 1: So the government's considering major reform first up of building consents.

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Speaker 1: Consents are currently handled by sixty seven councils around the country.

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Speaker 1: Now the government's considering either allowing these councils to work together,

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Speaker 1: or forcing them to work together, or setting up one

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Speaker 1: national body to handle the work. Master Builders CEO a

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Speaker 1: kor charmas with us. Now, Hey Ankert, Hey Heather, Why

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Speaker 1: is it that you actually get different interpretations of the

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Speaker 1: building rules from different councils? Why is that happening?

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Speaker 2: I think it's primarily one court, different councils. Every council's

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Speaker 2: using their own systems and processes, which just ends up

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Speaker 2: creating much more complexity and different interpretations.

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Speaker 1: Do we have examples of one builder who perhaps has

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Speaker 1: to get consents from various councils actually getting different interpretations

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Speaker 1: of the rules on one piece of work?

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Speaker 2: Multiple examples? So or eighty percent of master builders report

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Speaker 2: dealing with multiple btas, and many reports significant delays and

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Speaker 2: costs caused by inconsistencies between negvering consenting authorities. We've even

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Speaker 2: heard stories that within a consenting authority sometimes different inspectors

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Speaker 2: can have different interpretations and average time for a quot

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Speaker 2: of compliance to be issued after regional consent in New

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Speaker 2: Zealand is nearly one and a half years and we

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Speaker 2: need to find a way to do better than this.

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Speaker 1: So is the problem actually then the fact that people

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Speaker 1: are being asked to interpret and they're interpreting it, interpreting

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Speaker 1: it different, or is the way that the legislation has

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Speaker 1: written the problem?

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Speaker 2: I think it's how it's been interpreted there and when

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Speaker 2: you have multiple people applying different systems and processes to

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Speaker 2: you know, work out how to apply the cord dactors

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Speaker 2: and inconsistencies anything. You know, you get ten people to

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Speaker 2: look at something, you'll get ten slightly different versions of it.

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Speaker 2: So if anything we can do to improve consistency, it

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Speaker 2: gives sectum maturity, build speed up projects and ultimately reduced

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Speaker 2: costs of building new homes.

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Speaker 1: So what's your preference of the three options? Do you

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Speaker 1: do you let them voluntarily amalgamate, do you force them

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Speaker 1: to do it, or do you just set up a

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Speaker 1: completely new body.

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Speaker 2: I think we need to have more conversations around, especially

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Speaker 2: how we address the joint and civil liability, which is

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Speaker 2: a key challenge for the local councils and ultimately the

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Speaker 2: right payers, and we probably need to have more conversation

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Speaker 2: with various stakeholders, including councils. In my view, I think

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Speaker 2: the options as they're laid out today are likely to

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Speaker 2: involve as we start doing deeper consultation with the industry

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Speaker 2: and stakeholders, probably too early to pick up preferred option.

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Speaker 2: My view would be in fact that we are acknowledging

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Speaker 2: and looking to address this issue, which I think will

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Speaker 2: have quite a significant impact and ultimately building houses better,

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Speaker 2: faster and cheaper. Any change is a positive change from

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Speaker 2: where we are today and.

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Speaker 1: It good to talk to you. Thank you an Kit Sharma,

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Speaker 1: Master Builder CEO.

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