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Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons.

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Speaker 3: News Talk said, be very good afternoons. You welcome into

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Speaker 3: the show six past one. It's a Thursday afternoon. Hope

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Speaker 3: you doing pretty well with Eavy you're listening. How you doing, man, I'm.

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Speaker 4: Doing very very well, thanks Tyler. A little sunburnt actually

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Speaker 4: from this morning because it's so beautiful out there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's lovely. I'll sweitt my you know what off.

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Speaker 3: But it was amazing to get that pretty much everything

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Speaker 3: that was pretty much sweating everything off. Okay, it was

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Speaker 3: pretty warm out there, but it was lovely. You got

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Speaker 3: to get that vitamin D well. Yeah, I'm sorry to

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Speaker 3: hear that you've lost something from the heat. I took

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Speaker 3: the good with the bad. As they say, hey, just

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Speaker 3: quickly before we get into the show, can I just

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Speaker 3: say yes, My life is bloody good at the moment.

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Speaker 3: And the reason it is bloody good is that you know,

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Speaker 3: my partner mate, she works in a school, so she's

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Speaker 3: actually got the next couple of weeks off and she's

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Speaker 3: at home and she is doing everything, all of life, edmind,

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Speaker 3: all of the home edmin. And man, how good my

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Speaker 3: life is now that she is doing absolutely everything. It's

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Speaker 3: a blessing. I've got two weeks of the golden life.

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Speaker 4: So you want to stay stat home wife?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Start home wife? Oh my god, what a blessing. So

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Speaker 3: she does the meal, she takes the dog out for

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Speaker 3: multiple walks, she's doing the cleaning, she's doing all the edmin,

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Speaker 3: the groceries, she's sorting out the bills. So I just

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Speaker 3: get home, put my feet up, and live the life.

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Speaker 3: It is so nice. I've got two weeks of that

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Speaker 3: and I am lapping it up.

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Speaker 4: Wow. So you take a bit of financial hit. She

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Speaker 4: did that all the time, though, wouldn't you. Yeah, yeah it.

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Speaker 3: I questioned that originally and said, well, maybe you should

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Speaker 4: But she was putting in forty hours around the forty

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Speaker 4: hours a week around the house. That'd be pretty wouldn't it.

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Speaker 4: Ds of your lack of stress and.

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Speaker 3: Life, certainly would But yeah, I mean I don't know

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Speaker 4: So I said this to Tracy the other day, I said,

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Speaker 4: just run everything, yep, and you know, be my personal assistant.

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Speaker 4: And then she said, is that an option? So she

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Speaker 4: considered it. She considered it. Yeah, yeah, But ultimately she said, no,

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Speaker 4: that's she'd never do what I asked her to do.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's that's the thing, Like she'd never be

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Speaker 4: able to she'd never become an employee. She would become

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Speaker 4: the boss. Yeah, even more so.

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Speaker 3: That would make your life more stressful, maybe, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: but look if you can, if you can do that

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Speaker 3: even for two weeks, and just say that, my life

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Speaker 3: much advantage of it as i can. Right on to

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Speaker 3: today's show, after three o'clock, we want to talk about downsizing.

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Speaker 3: Great article in the Herald at the Moment by Hannah McQueen.

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Speaker 3: So she says downsizing your home can help fun retirement,

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Speaker 3: but it works best if you do it earlier rather

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Speaker 3: than later. She says, move sooner or downsizing sooner can

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Speaker 3: free up more cash or giving you more flexibility to

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Speaker 3: adjust your lifestyle and investments rather than waiting to retirement.

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Speaker 3: She sees most people when they get to retirement, they've

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Speaker 4: In their head.

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Speaker 3: More often than not, it doesn't actually equate to that

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Speaker 3: they get a lot less than they think they're gonna get.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and then and then selling your house and going

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Speaker 4: through all that rigma role when you're older, it might

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Speaker 4: be a bit harder. But I don't know what I

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Speaker 4: don't understand about this right so, right now, because it's

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Speaker 4: the break, I've got both my kids at home filling

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Speaker 4: up the rooms. That's a great time. Yeah, I'm loving

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Speaker 4: So if I suddenly because one of my sons and

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Speaker 4: is at UNI, if I suddenly decided to downsize now,

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Speaker 4: they're never gonna come home and stay with me, are they?

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Speaker 4: Because if be no her for them to sleep.

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Speaker 3: Good point, if you're in an apartment with one bedroom, yes,

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Speaker 4: To downsize right now. Just because your kids have moved

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a great point. It's going to be a

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Speaker 3: good discussion. After three o'clock we are going to have

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Speaker 4: After two o'clock.

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Speaker 3: Drug busts at New Zealand's board have shot up considerably,

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Speaker 3: with authorities catching far bigger amounts of organized crime groups

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Speaker 3: increasingly target New Zealand. So the government see as it

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Speaker 3: shows New Zealand has been hit hard with trafficers using

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Speaker 3: the Pacific as a main route. We pay far more

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Speaker 3: very enticing, and despite more seizures, the supply is actually increasing.

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Speaker 3: So we want to talk to you about how easy

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Speaker 3: is it to actually get drugs. It seems the internet

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Speaker 3: gives you all you need to know. If you want

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Speaker 3: to try and find these things, if that's your prerogative,

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Speaker 3: the Internet will tell you how to do it.

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Speaker 4: It's not that hard as this superverbial fingers in the

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Speaker 4: dam or dikes for want of a better word, situation,

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Speaker 4: because it's coming in every single you know, just listening

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Speaker 4: container freight, it's coming through couriers and traffic through airports,

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Speaker 4: it's coming through unaccompanied baggage every way which they can

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Speaker 4: circulate it. The drug cartels have got so much information

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Speaker 4: now and such easy communication through various you know, dark

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Speaker 4: web operations. Whilst they're you know, six point five million

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Speaker 4: so much like cocaine, particularly in the wastewater. Yes, so

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Speaker 4: So it's just a full court press drugs coming at

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Speaker 4: becoming technology is such that the drugs are much cheaper

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Speaker 4: to manufacture. So is this a battle that we can win?

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Speaker 4: You know, yeah, it's a.

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Speaker 3: Good question, and looking forward to your thoughts on that

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Speaker 3: after two o'clock is the battle loss and regards to

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Speaker 3: a chat about motorbikers in New Zealand. They are protesting

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Speaker 3: the hikes are unfair based on flawed measures like engine size,

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Speaker 3: and could make riding unaffordable. ACC meanwhile, argues the increases

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Speaker 3: are necessary because motorcyclists account for a higher share of

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Speaker 3: just briefly, the increases will be bikes over seven hundred

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Speaker 4: Why are you suddenly that much more dangerous just because

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Speaker 4: you've got a higher cc, just because you've got a

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Speaker 4: bigger engine. Yeah, I mean, isn't it more to do

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Speaker 3: We've seeing a lot of those. Are a lot of

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Speaker 4: As opposed to some guy in his sixties on riding

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Speaker 4: be honest, as I said before, it's not my field

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Speaker 4: higher CC doesn't seem to be a definite measure of risk.

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Speaker 4: And this is what they're talking about, right because the

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Speaker 4: a SEC aren't providing the data.

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Speaker 3: the data and ACC hasn't come to the table with

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Speaker 3: to Richard Toho. He's the spokesperson for the Motorcycle Advocacy Group.

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Speaker 3: But we want to hear from you. If you do

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Speaker 3: ride a bike, how do you feel about these increases

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Speaker 3: in the levees you pay? Do you think it is

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Speaker 3: more dangerous to ride a motorbike with a bigger engine

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Speaker 3: lot of these eccidents are actually caused by car users

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Speaker 3: your recovery. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that

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Speaker 3: number to call? Nine two ninety two is the text.

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Speaker 3: It is fourteen past one.

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Speaker 2: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and

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Speaker 3: Very good. Afternoon, July seventeen past one, So motorcyclists across

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Speaker 3: New Zealand are taking a stand against proposed increases to

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Speaker 3: acc levies by putting their registrations on holden. Protests Rights

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Speaker 3: say the plant hikes are unfair portly targeted and could

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Speaker 4: Get a, Richard here, you going good, Thanks for being here.

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Speaker 4: Let's take it right back to the bidding the beginning.

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Speaker 4: Why is the Rejo boycott happening? Why are so many

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Speaker 4: motorcyclists putting their rigios on hold Richard?

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Speaker 5: Well, the price is just like you say, it's unaffordable.

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Speaker 8: It's being quite expensive for many years, and it's going

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Speaker 8: up like sixty eight percent. So the government has planned,

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Speaker 8: They've told us, so we know what's coming. It's gone

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Speaker 8: up to almost six hundred dollars this year on the

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Speaker 8: first of desire. It's going up again to about seven

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Speaker 8: hundred dollars the following year. We're looking at just under

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Speaker 8: nine hundred dollars annually for large motorcycles who register them.

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Speaker 5: So that's a lot of money. So we've said enough

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Speaker 8: We don't actually believe that the bigger the engine makes

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Speaker 8: them more dangerous the studies that we've read, and in

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Speaker 8: fact the data provided by ACC doesn't show that, So

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Speaker 8: how can you justify that? So we're just asking them

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Speaker 8: to say, hey, look, show us the data. What you've

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Speaker 8: already shown us doesn't prove that. We want what else

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Speaker 8: have you got? So that's pretty much where we're at.

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Speaker 4: So why don't you think they'll share that data? Do

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Speaker 4: you think they don't have it or it doesn't say

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Speaker 4: what they needed to say to increase the levees Both.

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Speaker 8: I believe it's yeah, it doesn't show that and or

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Speaker 8: they just don't have it, or they haven't done the

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Speaker 8: studies they've So they have provided us with some data

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Speaker 8: in an Official Information Act request which didn't show right,

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Speaker 8: largely engins cause more risk or our higher risk. It

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Speaker 8: just didn't prove that, and so we went back to

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Speaker 8: You must have something else, but they they don't, or

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Speaker 5: Now, surely that higher risk, isn't it.

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, we don't mind paying our levees.

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Speaker 8: Now we understand that, yes, there's higher risk with motorcycling.

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Speaker 5: So what's six hundred almost six hundred bucks in July?

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Speaker 4: So what would that increase?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, fair enough to Rachel? What would that increase look

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Speaker 8: Look, there's there's other models out there that have been

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Speaker 8: It's like, if you are going to say CEC makes

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Speaker 8: So how much actual road use then? Yet, you know,

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Speaker 8: But ACC doesn't even want to talk to us, so

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Speaker 4: So you're not you're not denying the claim that motorbikes

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Speaker 5: So you know, we're not denying. No, No, we're not.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, people get hurt on motorcycles and a lot of

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Speaker 5: If it's not, fix it.

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Speaker 4: So if you if you're if you're you know, putting

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Speaker 8: See looking at about a two hundred dollar fine? Right,

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Speaker 8: some demerit points. Now, we're not containing people to ride

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Speaker 5: But you know what, people have been doing that for years.

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Speaker 8: And I don't doubt that more people are going to

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Speaker 8: But no, they're going to keep pricing people into doing

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Speaker 10: I don't know what you're thinking.

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Speaker 4: Yeah so, but I mean it's not great for your

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Speaker 8: We're not we're not encouraging that. So commuters, you know,

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Speaker 8: But there's lots of other others out there, weekend warriors,

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Speaker 5: So that's going to have an impact on the income.

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Speaker 5: It's got it. It's a long game.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, because how many how many members how many

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Speaker 8: Hold, So we can't measure that how many people have

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Speaker 5: I think in like three the last three weeks or.

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Speaker 8: So, we've jumped from about five thousand members to nine

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Speaker 5: But this is like it's like we feel like we're

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Speaker 4: You know, there's another logic. There's another logic flow in

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Speaker 4: no matter what the CCC, So what the cc is,

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Speaker 8: And they're ramping that up as well, you know, with

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Speaker 8: For not having a registered vehicle on the road. But

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Speaker 5: It just more money, they will do it.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, so that's what we're facing in the

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, we're all for that. Yeah, but you know,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Richard, thank you very much for having a chat

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Speaker 4: Very interesting.

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Speaker 3: The phones have lit up, so this is going to

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Speaker 3: What do you guys like to be called? Is a motorcyclist,

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Speaker 8: A bikers, motorcyclists, motorcycle enthusiast?

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Speaker 11: What whatever we get.

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Speaker 5: Called we called, we get called lovesome things.

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Speaker 4: Mate.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, be hey, Richard, thank you very much having a

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Speaker 5: Oh, thanks for your time.

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Speaker 3: That is Richard Taor who he is a spokesperson for

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Speaker 3: the Motorcycle Advocacy Group in New Zealand. We're taking your

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Speaker 4: I feel them. We're we're a radio host, but we

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Speaker 1: The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic Hosking breakfast, Tash.

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Speaker 12: Right on hold that that wasn't really the news, of course.

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Speaker 12: Inflation and the dune courter looks to be peaking at

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Speaker 12: different do you think the world looks in May Phoenix meeting.

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Speaker 13: I still think the world looks different, Jim.

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Speaker 14: And this is a severe supply disruption.

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Speaker 5: It's not just oil.

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Speaker 12: The inflation spike that you see coming. If once again

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Speaker 2: That we will see some effects staying on for a while,

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Speaker 12: Back tomorrow at six am, the mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 4: SV News talk ZB.

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Speaker 3: Half pass once we're talking about motorcyclist protesting these increases

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Speaker 4: I says, I says, I says to Richard just before that,

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Speaker 4: if you don't have your REJO, that's going to effect

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Speaker 4: your insurance. This takes it says Rego doesn't affect insurance,

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Speaker 4: only one in a fitness does. I'm pretty sure rigo

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Speaker 3: This is according to Cannstar, which compares insurances up and

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Speaker 3: If your vehicle's on un road worthy jeepers or overloaded

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Speaker 4: Hi, guys, I'm a motorcyclist and think the registration is

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Speaker 4: up the cost with their crashes, cheers Tim from Botoni. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: but what Richard is saying, what's the name of his

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Speaker 4: The Motorcycle ever Group. I can't speak today. I got

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Speaker 4: up at four thirtieth this morning to take Tracy to

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Speaker 4: the airport. Good word. So I'm basically asleep right now.

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Speaker 4: It's early conceived groups saying that the data doesn't reflect that. Yes,

436
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Speaker 4: that the data doesn't show that higher CC bikes are

437
00:21:16,093 --> 00:21:18,493
Speaker 4: costing more in terms of injury the SEC. That's why

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Speaker 4: they're asking show us the data.

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Speaker 3: Which seems fair. You want to see the data.

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Speaker 4: Show us the data. Yeah, my bike JO has been

441
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Speaker 4: on hold for four years and most of them mates

442
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Speaker 4: to definitely a rip off. So we're just not.

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Speaker 3: Registering Okay, keep those texts coming through on nine to two,

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Speaker 3: nine two, and we're going to get to some of

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Speaker 3: your calls. Oh, e one hundred and eighty ten eighty

446
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Speaker 3: is the number to call if this is effecting you.

447
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Speaker 3: We're keen to hear your story.

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Speaker 4: There was a text that I was reading out there.

449
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Speaker 4: It's not me. I don't have a bike.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you made that pretty clear. It is twenty

451
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Speaker 3: eight to two. Jody with the Headlines.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Jerdy. So my motorcyclist are putting

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Speaker 3: their bike registrations on holding protest and what they say

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Speaker 3: are unfair acc levees. Oh one hundred and eighteen eighty

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Speaker 3: c number, call get a rob today.

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Speaker 16: Hey guys, good mate, it's a story. I'm a motorbike

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Speaker 16: rider of sixty years, would you believe? And I currently

479
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Speaker 16: ride a large Harley Beautiful. We've been through this all before,

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Speaker 16: and I can't tell you when, but historically i'd say

481
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Speaker 16: might have been fifteen years ago. And they put the

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Speaker 16: fees up to eight hundred and seventy four dollars, and

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Speaker 16: everybody just stop registering their bikes, including me. I went

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Speaker 16: four years without a Red Joe and I finally got

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Speaker 16: a ticket that cost me one hundred and eighty dollars,

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Speaker 16: And the cop actually said to me at the time,

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Speaker 16: that's a fairly good savings. And ACC's data is totally

488
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Speaker 16: wrong because they did all the starta as I said

489
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Speaker 16: at the time, they did that years ago. First of all,

490
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Speaker 16: larger bikes have less accidents, and small bikes they're less maneuverable.

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Speaker 16: You don't white line and do all of the funny

492
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Speaker 16: things that some bikers do on smaller bikes. Power to

493
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Speaker 16: weight ratio means that bigger bikes aren't faster, and it's

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Speaker 16: just an absolute load of nonsense. The other thing that's

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Speaker 16: interesting is that they say motorbikes make up four percent

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Speaker 16: of the vehicle whatever, but twenty five percent of the accidents.

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Speaker 16: But they haven't turned round and said what about accident fault?

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Speaker 16: And it's a very well known fact that a lot

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Speaker 16: of bike accidents are not right err they're actually driver

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Speaker 16: era and bikeers get hit. Unfortunately, if you do get hit,

501
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Speaker 16: you do get hurt, and that's a fact of life.

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Speaker 16: And then, last but not least, other countries around the

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Speaker 16: world promote motorcycle riding because it's a great means of

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Speaker 16: getting a lot of people to and from places very efficiently.

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Speaker 4: And you're sixty years of riding bikes, Rob, congratulations on that.

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Speaker 4: That's impressive. How many accidents have you had? How many

507
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Speaker 4: times have you been injured in that?

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Speaker 16: Probably two, I think, yeah.

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Speaker 4: And how seriously?

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Speaker 16: So one was my fault when I was a young fella,

511
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Speaker 16: wet road too fast. And then the second one I

512
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Speaker 16: had was about twenty years ago and a guy came

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Speaker 16: out of a side street and I had him.

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Speaker 4: And how badly were you injured on those?

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Speaker 16: I wasn't. When I say I wasn't bad the injured

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Speaker 16: I certainly was very sore and had a broken collar bone,

517
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Speaker 16: but it wasn't. And unfortunately, you know, there are a

518
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Speaker 16: lot of bad accidents on bikes. I mean, there's no

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Speaker 16: protection on a bike. As somebody hits you, you're going

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Speaker 16: to get hurt, you know. But as I said, of

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Speaker 16: the twenty five percent accidents that are involving bikes, it's

522
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Speaker 16: not twenty five percent, right era. So what we're saying,

523
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Speaker 16: as you're going to penalize bike riders because they're expensive

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Speaker 16: to look after, but it's not their fault.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and so the CC just to continue down because

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Speaker 4: this is kind of the discussions around CC and higher

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Speaker 4: CC being charged more so the accident that was your

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Speaker 4: fault when you were a young fella, Rob, that would imagine,

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Speaker 4: I'm just kissing it. That'd probably been on a lower

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Speaker 4: CC bike.

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Speaker 16: It was on a moped going to school.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Rob, you make some good points. Thank

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Speaker 3: you very much.

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Speaker 4: Mate.

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Speaker 3: Sixty years and he's riding a hog at the moment.

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Speaker 3: What a good man. Let's go to Dan. Get a Dan. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: let me hey, mates.

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Speaker 4: What do you reckon? Welcome to the shape your thoughts?

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Speaker 7: Hey?

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Speaker 5: Thanks?

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Speaker 13: Thanks guys. Hey, I live up north and I get

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Speaker 13: past daily by a whole bunch of guys who are

543
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Speaker 13: basically almost wearing just jandles and shorts, shorts and basically

544
00:27:07,053 --> 00:27:10,653
Speaker 13: a rear or a blue hoodie and no no equipment whatsoever.

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Speaker 13: So I think the CC rating via is kind of correct.

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Speaker 4: Well, hang on it. But these guys on high CC

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Speaker 4: bikes or those CC.

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Speaker 13: Bikes, big Harley, you know the vehicles all right?

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Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, I see, are.

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Speaker 3: They wearing helmets.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, but that would be the only thing that's going

552
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Speaker 13: to stop them having an injury.

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Speaker 3: I'd say, so, I mean, what do you do do

554
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Speaker 3: you do you legislate and say you have to have

555
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Speaker 3: protective leathers or whatever else your motorcyclist where to try

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Speaker 3: and avoid injury.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I mean to me that it's not a crazy idea.

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Speaker 3: You make car drivers wear seat belts, so maybe you say,

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Speaker 3: if you want.

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Speaker 4: To ride a bike, you've gotta get some leathers.

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Speaker 11: You know.

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Speaker 13: It's another crazy rule is you know the can answer

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Speaker 13: the triple triple wheel things. Yep, you don't actually legally

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Speaker 13: because they're registered in the car, you don't actually have

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Speaker 13: to wear a helmet when you ride those.

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Speaker 4: Now, whenever I see someone riding one of those, I

568
00:28:04,733 --> 00:28:06,333
Speaker 4: always want to talk to them and go, why did

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Speaker 4: you particularly choose that vehicle? Seems like a very interesting

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Speaker 4: vehicle to juice to look at me vehicles?

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Speaker 3: Really? Is that what Billy Connolly was riding when he

572
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Speaker 3: did the tour of New Zealand?

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Speaker 4: Potentially?

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: The problem is, isn't it, though, Dan, that you have

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Speaker 4: It's a lot of I mean, it's individuals isn't it.

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Speaker 4: So you have you have someone with the same CC

578
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Speaker 4: bike who's an absolute dickhead, and because he's an absolute dickhead,

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Speaker 4: then the person that's sensible is paying a higher levy.

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Speaker 3: It's the dickhead.

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Speaker 4: The factor is the problem across all whole legislation in

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Speaker 4: this country on this, on.

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Speaker 13: This boycott with the REGOs, I honestly don't think it's

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Speaker 13: going to have any effect because I used to ride

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Speaker 13: and all of us we used to all put our

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Speaker 13: REGOs on hold for winter, I mean just in the spring, light.

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Speaker 5: Them up again.

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Speaker 13: So I feel like you're going to do it, they

589
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Speaker 13: need to do it over summer because most riders I

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Speaker 13: know put their bikes on hold and put them in

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Speaker 13: the garage of the summer the year.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and so are you talking about essentially gang members?

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Speaker 4: You talk about the guys that are pasted you and

594
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Speaker 4: if they are gang members, and so if the gang

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00:29:11,933 --> 00:29:14,173
Speaker 4: members and they spent a lot of money on their

596
00:29:14,173 --> 00:29:17,133
Speaker 4: fancy little jacket with the patch on it, and they

597
00:29:17,133 --> 00:29:21,093
Speaker 4: don't have and they're not allowed to wear that, so

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00:29:21,173 --> 00:29:23,013
Speaker 4: they're just wearing a hoodie. Is that what's going on?

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Speaker 13: Basically, they've got they've got clothing with either they're either

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Speaker 13: wearing red shoes or blue shoes and you know you

601
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Speaker 13: sort of thought or yellow or whatever the color they

602
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Speaker 13: decide they're part of. But yeah, they're still there's still

603
00:29:32,933 --> 00:29:34,733
Speaker 13: identifiable to a to a degree.

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00:29:34,853 --> 00:29:38,573
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's an unexpected consequence of the of the gang

605
00:29:38,933 --> 00:29:39,453
Speaker 3: patch band.

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Speaker 4: And when they pass you down to your roll your

607
00:29:41,133 --> 00:29:43,853
Speaker 4: window down and yell abuse at them, try and start

608
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Speaker 4: a scrap.

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Speaker 13: No, I I purposely make it harder for them to pass, right,

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00:29:48,973 --> 00:29:49,773
Speaker 13: I'm one of those people.

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Speaker 3: Jeez, you're roll on the dice on that, Dan, Thank

612
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Speaker 3: you too much.

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Speaker 11: Mate.

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Speaker 3: Guys, all right, you have a good afternoon.

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Speaker 13: No.

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Speaker 3: One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to

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Speaker 3: call if you're a motorcyclist. What do you reckon about

618
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Speaker 3: these acc levies? Are you one of those putting your

619
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Speaker 3: Ridgio on hold?

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Speaker 4: Is a bit of a protest, As Jim says, if

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Speaker 4: ten thousand bikers don't pay seven hundred dollars each, that's

622
00:30:07,733 --> 00:30:10,693
Speaker 4: seven million. Do NZTA should take note of that? Good

623
00:30:10,773 --> 00:30:13,813
Speaker 4: luck to them. Sounds like they are getting ripped off.

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00:30:13,933 --> 00:30:15,813
Speaker 3: Yeah, keep those teach coming through a nine to two

625
00:30:15,893 --> 00:30:17,613
Speaker 3: nine two. It is seventeen to two.

626
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Speaker 1: A fresh take on Talkback. It's Matt Heathan Taylor Adams

627
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Speaker 1: Afternoons have your say on eight hundred eighty ten eighty

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Speaker 1: US talks.

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Speaker 4: B fourteen to two. This text is is ACC doesn't

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Speaker 4: determine fault like insurance companies do. Is a SEC treats

631
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Speaker 4: injuries injuries cost the country. When a motorcyclist has an accident,

632
00:30:33,973 --> 00:30:36,533
Speaker 4: regardless of fault, they are more likely to receive injuries,

633
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Speaker 4: mostly more severe than injuries a car driver or a

634
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Speaker 4: car occupant would. Therefore, motorcycles cost taxpayers more in treatment,

635
00:30:43,013 --> 00:30:45,733
Speaker 4: so they should pay more. Libbyes. Yeah, No, one's denying that,

636
00:30:45,973 --> 00:30:49,573
Speaker 4: Not even the Motial motorcycle advocacy group is denying that. Yeah,

637
00:30:49,613 --> 00:30:52,253
Speaker 4: they're just saying that there's no data to say that

638
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Speaker 4: higher CC bikes more dangerous, have a higher risk of

639
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Speaker 4: injury than lower ccc bikes, And they're just asking ACC

640
00:31:00,493 --> 00:31:04,493
Speaker 4: for the data. And yet ACC's charging considerably more for

641
00:31:04,733 --> 00:31:06,893
Speaker 4: high CC bikes or higher CC bikes.

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Speaker 7: Yep.

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Speaker 4: So if you to do that, show the data, and

644
00:31:10,173 --> 00:31:13,093
Speaker 4: the data that they've seen so far doesn't play out

645
00:31:13,213 --> 00:31:16,333
Speaker 4: that these higher SEC bikes are more dangerous exactly.

646
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Speaker 3: And that's the crux of it.

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Speaker 4: And another issue is, you know, people might want to

648
00:31:20,493 --> 00:31:23,173
Speaker 4: own a couple of bikes, maybe it should be registered

649
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Speaker 4: as a rider. You're regested as a rider, but then

650
00:31:26,533 --> 00:31:28,213
Speaker 4: when they go well, you know, Rob who rang up

651
00:31:28,213 --> 00:31:29,573
Speaker 4: before is probably not much of a risk on the

652
00:31:29,653 --> 00:31:33,373
Speaker 4: road and is Harley after many decades of riding compared

653
00:31:33,373 --> 00:31:37,533
Speaker 4: to you know, an eighteen year old on a one

654
00:31:37,613 --> 00:31:39,533
Speaker 4: two five cc wounder.

655
00:31:39,293 --> 00:31:41,973
Speaker 3: Good rider discount. Yeah, oh, one hundred and eighteen eighty

656
00:31:42,013 --> 00:31:43,893
Speaker 3: to number to call get a mic.

657
00:31:45,333 --> 00:31:50,613
Speaker 6: Yes, Hello, I'd like to comment on Richard's and the

658
00:31:50,693 --> 00:31:56,013
Speaker 6: previous callers comments in regard to the accidents percentage of

659
00:31:56,053 --> 00:32:01,333
Speaker 6: twenty five percent. One of the things in an incident

660
00:32:01,773 --> 00:32:08,213
Speaker 6: is that the officer records who's it fault. So I

661
00:32:08,573 --> 00:32:10,733
Speaker 6: number of years ago I was involved with a group

662
00:32:10,813 --> 00:32:15,933
Speaker 6: called Bronze Bikers Rights Organization New Zealand. When we had

663
00:32:15,933 --> 00:32:19,573
Speaker 6: a look at the figures the breakdown, we were finding

664
00:32:19,853 --> 00:32:26,173
Speaker 6: that the officer was recording bike versus car. When you

665
00:32:26,333 --> 00:32:30,693
Speaker 6: drilled down actually on the report, you could find out

666
00:32:31,213 --> 00:32:35,773
Speaker 6: that in a number of situations the bike was in

667
00:32:35,853 --> 00:32:40,893
Speaker 6: the right the car didn't see them. Bang. Now, yes,

668
00:32:42,013 --> 00:32:47,893
Speaker 6: we as motorcyclists are a higher percentage, and Richard's direct.

669
00:32:48,333 --> 00:32:53,133
Speaker 6: We're not denying that. It's just that the percentage that

670
00:32:53,493 --> 00:32:58,533
Speaker 6: the acc are putting on the bikes outweighs that kind

671
00:32:58,573 --> 00:33:04,133
Speaker 6: of percentage you know, costs to the motorcyclist.

672
00:33:04,253 --> 00:33:06,573
Speaker 4: So they're thinking about purely. The a SEC is thinking

673
00:33:06,573 --> 00:33:09,693
Speaker 4: about this purely in terms of how much it to

674
00:33:09,733 --> 00:33:13,693
Speaker 4: fix up the rider, you know, with the people involved

675
00:33:13,733 --> 00:33:16,013
Speaker 4: in an accident. So they're saying that the motorcyclists costs

676
00:33:16,013 --> 00:33:19,853
Speaker 4: more to fix up, so then we'll charge the motorcyclists more.

677
00:33:20,493 --> 00:33:22,173
Speaker 4: And yet they're not taking into account that it's the

678
00:33:22,173 --> 00:33:27,773
Speaker 4: person that's encased in the car is protected quite often

679
00:33:28,013 --> 00:33:30,093
Speaker 4: is the causer of as the result. Like so the

680
00:33:30,093 --> 00:33:32,573
Speaker 4: only figure that we've got here is acc said police

681
00:33:32,573 --> 00:33:35,453
Speaker 4: start to shows thirty seven percent of injury claims we're

682
00:33:35,493 --> 00:33:40,413
Speaker 4: from single vehicle crashes, So thirty seven percent of motorcycle

683
00:33:40,453 --> 00:33:46,533
Speaker 4: crashes that involve acc just you know, use the error

684
00:33:46,533 --> 00:33:49,533
Speaker 4: on the bike. We don't have the percentage with us

685
00:33:49,573 --> 00:33:53,413
Speaker 4: here on when it's two vehicles whose fault it was,

686
00:33:53,573 --> 00:33:55,533
Speaker 4: whether it was the fault of the of the driver

687
00:33:55,693 --> 00:33:56,613
Speaker 4: or the rider.

688
00:33:57,373 --> 00:34:02,133
Speaker 6: But yeah, exactly, but again we're prepared to pay the

689
00:34:02,213 --> 00:34:07,893
Speaker 6: extra cost. But it is every year on year on

690
00:34:08,053 --> 00:34:12,493
Speaker 6: year we're paying more and more and more. The other

691
00:34:12,573 --> 00:34:18,973
Speaker 6: thing is is that we can quickly ascertain the risk

692
00:34:19,053 --> 00:34:23,093
Speaker 6: factor if they are wanting to talk about bigger bikes

693
00:34:23,093 --> 00:34:27,812
Speaker 6: and smaller bikes versus you know, the risk factor. Now,

694
00:34:29,693 --> 00:34:32,613
Speaker 6: all bikes are brought in, well, they used to be

695
00:34:32,693 --> 00:34:37,773
Speaker 6: all brought in with a break horsepower rating. So my

696
00:34:37,973 --> 00:34:47,613
Speaker 6: thousand cc V twin motor produces less brake horse power

697
00:34:49,453 --> 00:34:56,733
Speaker 6: than a four hundred Kawasaki Ninja racing bike, you know,

698
00:34:57,053 --> 00:35:01,733
Speaker 6: a sports bike. So if they use that figure the

699
00:35:01,813 --> 00:35:06,373
Speaker 6: brake horsepower rating, are to be able to give a

700
00:35:06,453 --> 00:35:13,212
Speaker 6: more even spread on respector why don't they? Why don't

701
00:35:13,213 --> 00:35:18,453
Speaker 6: they because that that figure comes in with all imported motorcycles.

702
00:35:18,613 --> 00:35:19,812
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's in sifting point.

703
00:35:19,853 --> 00:35:21,933
Speaker 3: Mike, yep, thank you very much for giving us a call.

704
00:35:21,973 --> 00:35:24,213
Speaker 4: I mean, as Richard said before, as well, you know,

705
00:35:24,253 --> 00:35:26,533
Speaker 4: it's time spent on the road. Yeah, you know, if

706
00:35:26,533 --> 00:35:30,853
Speaker 4: you're if you're on the road a lot, commuting every day,

707
00:35:31,173 --> 00:35:34,693
Speaker 4: for example, then on a low CCC bike, low c

708
00:35:34,813 --> 00:35:37,053
Speaker 4: C bike, and someone's just got like a you know,

709
00:35:37,493 --> 00:35:40,573
Speaker 4: weekend Warrior, a big, a big, big, big old bike

710
00:35:40,613 --> 00:35:42,213
Speaker 4: in the garret. They just take out every now and

711
00:35:42,293 --> 00:35:45,293
Speaker 4: then once a month or something. Yeah, then that that

712
00:35:45,293 --> 00:35:48,652
Speaker 4: that questions the how fear the charges are, doesn't it's

713
00:35:48,653 --> 00:35:49,413
Speaker 4: a lot of logic to that.

714
00:35:49,533 --> 00:35:51,133
Speaker 3: What do you say, Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten

715
00:35:51,173 --> 00:35:53,613
Speaker 3: eighty is that number to call? It is nine to two.

716
00:35:54,653 --> 00:35:58,213
Speaker 1: Matd Heath Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

717
00:35:58,213 --> 00:36:01,613
Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty. It's mad. Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons

718
00:36:01,733 --> 00:36:02,573
Speaker 1: news talks.

719
00:36:04,333 --> 00:36:07,613
Speaker 3: Six minutes to two. Even You've got seven bikes, so

720
00:36:07,693 --> 00:36:09,652
Speaker 3: these ac see livy increases is going to hit you

721
00:36:09,653 --> 00:36:10,133
Speaker 3: pretty hard.

722
00:36:11,253 --> 00:36:14,733
Speaker 10: Yeah, they do. And yeah, unfortunately you're correct. You just

723
00:36:14,773 --> 00:36:17,093
Speaker 10: can't afford to pay them or you know, it's just

724
00:36:17,253 --> 00:36:20,893
Speaker 10: mad to I normally keep one fully registered and the

725
00:36:20,933 --> 00:36:24,093
Speaker 10: other on and off hold. But it's it's not really practical.

726
00:36:24,133 --> 00:36:26,133
Speaker 10: A lot of time I'm riding bikes on on hold.

727
00:36:26,133 --> 00:36:28,213
Speaker 10: But what you touched on it earlier, they should register

728
00:36:28,253 --> 00:36:30,773
Speaker 10: the rider. I'm quite happy to pay my share in

729
00:36:30,853 --> 00:36:33,333
Speaker 10: acc but I can only ride one motorcycle at the time.

730
00:36:33,453 --> 00:36:34,813
Speaker 4: Yes, that's a good point.

731
00:36:35,213 --> 00:36:36,453
Speaker 11: I've never you know, I've.

732
00:36:36,293 --> 00:36:39,692
Speaker 10: Never an accident. I've done roads safety courses, or we're

733
00:36:39,733 --> 00:36:41,373
Speaker 10: the right year and then you see o them up

734
00:36:41,373 --> 00:36:43,053
Speaker 10: as we don't see that ship and it seems that

735
00:36:43,133 --> 00:36:46,933
Speaker 10: where we're paying the penalty for them who probably don't

736
00:36:47,013 --> 00:36:49,453
Speaker 10: register them at all or you don't do anything right.

737
00:36:49,573 --> 00:36:52,573
Speaker 10: So yeahs basically it.

738
00:36:53,533 --> 00:36:56,333
Speaker 4: War a fitness for the bikes, regio for the for

739
00:36:56,373 --> 00:37:00,893
Speaker 4: the for the rider. It makes logical scene. What do

740
00:37:00,893 --> 00:37:03,293
Speaker 4: you think about time on the road as well?

741
00:37:03,933 --> 00:37:06,973
Speaker 10: So you know, pretty hard to police that, you know,

742
00:37:07,053 --> 00:37:10,293
Speaker 10: and hard to tell unleast you start bringing roads user

743
00:37:10,373 --> 00:37:15,293
Speaker 10: charges do that. But yeah, just and maybe good riders discounts.

744
00:37:15,333 --> 00:37:19,173
Speaker 10: You haven't had any major fines or you know, accident

745
00:37:19,493 --> 00:37:22,453
Speaker 10: discount you know, I've been riding a long time, never

746
00:37:22,493 --> 00:37:25,933
Speaker 10: had an agency claim for motorcycling. But yeah, I mean

747
00:37:26,013 --> 00:37:29,413
Speaker 10: only that's sort of there's other sports like I know,

748
00:37:29,453 --> 00:37:32,013
Speaker 10: people who hunt horses and they've always got choppers coming

749
00:37:32,013 --> 00:37:34,813
Speaker 10: in to rescue them. Or you know, just take this

750
00:37:34,933 --> 00:37:38,212
Speaker 10: tripe of rugby injuries and netble injuries. No one pays

751
00:37:38,253 --> 00:37:42,093
Speaker 10: anything towards that, and it can do the general agency

752
00:37:42,213 --> 00:37:43,253
Speaker 10: they get us because they.

753
00:37:43,133 --> 00:37:45,493
Speaker 4: Can you know, yeah, thanks for cool. I mean there

754
00:37:45,533 --> 00:37:47,573
Speaker 4: is in your in your fees is a bit of

755
00:37:47,573 --> 00:37:49,853
Speaker 4: extra paid by a rugby union for rugby. But yeah,

756
00:37:49,933 --> 00:37:52,333
Speaker 4: get your point mate. Look, no one is denying the

757
00:37:52,373 --> 00:37:54,893
Speaker 4: motorcyclists costs more to fix up when they get injured.

758
00:37:55,293 --> 00:37:58,173
Speaker 4: And look, the Motorcycle Advocacy Group has no problem with

759
00:37:58,213 --> 00:38:01,053
Speaker 4: paying more than drivers. But it has to be fair

760
00:38:01,133 --> 00:38:04,693
Speaker 4: and logical when the a SEC charges on CC with

761
00:38:04,893 --> 00:38:08,613
Speaker 4: CC when that doesn't quite fit the data, or they

762
00:38:08,653 --> 00:38:10,692
Speaker 4: won't even show the data, so the data you see

763
00:38:10,693 --> 00:38:13,133
Speaker 4: it doesn't fit and they won't show any other data.

764
00:38:13,533 --> 00:38:16,133
Speaker 4: Then that's no way for a government organization to behave,

765
00:38:16,253 --> 00:38:18,213
Speaker 4: is it. You've got to use data to make decisions,

766
00:38:18,213 --> 00:38:20,493
Speaker 4: not just convenience and vibes.

767
00:38:20,733 --> 00:38:24,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, nicely said, And what a great discussion. So those

768
00:38:24,133 --> 00:38:27,293
Speaker 3: changes come in place in July. But it seems like

769
00:38:27,373 --> 00:38:29,933
Speaker 3: that protest is heating up, so we'll see where that

770
00:38:29,973 --> 00:38:31,813
Speaker 3: one goes. Thank you very much to everyone who called

771
00:38:31,853 --> 00:38:32,853
Speaker 3: and text.

772
00:38:32,533 --> 00:38:33,413
Speaker 4: On that discussion.

773
00:38:33,413 --> 00:38:37,173
Speaker 3: But coming up after two o'clock, how easy is it

774
00:38:37,213 --> 00:38:39,652
Speaker 3: to get drugs in New Zealand? Oh, eight hundred eighty

775
00:38:39,693 --> 00:38:41,533
Speaker 3: ten eighty is that number? Nine two nine two? Is

776
00:38:41,533 --> 00:38:43,733
Speaker 3: the teach newsport of weather on its way? Great to

777
00:38:43,733 --> 00:38:45,573
Speaker 3: have your company of this Sursday afternoon you're listening to

778
00:38:45,653 --> 00:38:58,213
Speaker 3: Matt and Tyler will be back very shortly.

779
00:38:53,973 --> 00:39:08,733
Speaker 2: The big stories, the big issues, the big trend and

780
00:39:09,173 --> 00:39:13,373
Speaker 2: everything in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News

781
00:39:13,453 --> 00:39:14,173
Speaker 2: Talk said.

782
00:39:15,053 --> 00:39:17,773
Speaker 3: Very good Afternoons, you welcome back into the show. It

783
00:39:17,893 --> 00:39:20,533
Speaker 3: is six past too great to have your company.

784
00:39:20,653 --> 00:39:23,732
Speaker 4: I'm fading fast, people, I'm fading fast on the show.

785
00:39:23,893 --> 00:39:26,773
Speaker 4: To get up at four o'clock this morning to take

786
00:39:26,813 --> 00:39:28,533
Speaker 4: my partner Tracy to the airport.

787
00:39:28,493 --> 00:39:30,173
Speaker 3: Very early, doors, mate, and you had to race to

788
00:39:30,213 --> 00:39:30,493
Speaker 3: get there.

789
00:39:30,533 --> 00:39:33,692
Speaker 4: And is that an obligation within a relationship that if

790
00:39:33,853 --> 00:39:35,373
Speaker 4: your partner's going overseas, you've got to take them to

791
00:39:35,413 --> 00:39:38,533
Speaker 4: their port. Because I felt I see it. I said, yeah, yeah,

792
00:39:38,533 --> 00:39:39,933
Speaker 4: I say as I say as I says, oh yeah,

793
00:39:39,933 --> 00:39:42,533
Speaker 4: well I'll do it. But then this morning I was like,

794
00:39:42,613 --> 00:39:44,093
Speaker 4: I woke up with the alarm and I said, get

795
00:39:44,093 --> 00:39:46,053
Speaker 4: an uber and they didn't go down well nice. I

796
00:39:46,093 --> 00:39:47,813
Speaker 4: had to get up and take her. And now I've

797
00:39:47,813 --> 00:39:49,973
Speaker 4: been up for a very very long time. And the

798
00:39:49,973 --> 00:39:52,453
Speaker 4: problem is by the time she gets back from overseas,

799
00:39:52,453 --> 00:39:53,933
Speaker 4: you've forgotten about this. So I don't even get any

800
00:39:53,973 --> 00:39:54,573
Speaker 4: browny points for it.

801
00:39:54,573 --> 00:39:56,573
Speaker 3: Will exactly I think with the uber thing, you've got

802
00:39:56,613 --> 00:39:58,493
Speaker 3: to float there at least a week in advance because

803
00:39:58,533 --> 00:40:00,333
Speaker 3: you know you're going to get hassled for it, and

804
00:40:00,373 --> 00:40:02,533
Speaker 3: you need that time to smooth the waters until they

805
00:40:02,613 --> 00:40:05,493
Speaker 3: realize it's not actually a bad idea because it's going

806
00:40:05,573 --> 00:40:07,732
Speaker 3: to come and return right where you need to get

807
00:40:07,813 --> 00:40:09,973
Speaker 3: up early, and needs to run you to the airport

808
00:40:10,013 --> 00:40:12,173
Speaker 3: at four thirty am, and you say, hey, remember that.

809
00:40:12,213 --> 00:40:15,093
Speaker 4: Never I'd never ask you just take an uber. I'd

810
00:40:15,093 --> 00:40:16,973
Speaker 4: just get myself to their port. I'd never ask. Well,

811
00:40:17,013 --> 00:40:19,373
Speaker 4: you're the better man in that relationship. Once you've been asked,

812
00:40:19,413 --> 00:40:22,773
Speaker 4: you have to do it. Yeah, so some asking can

813
00:40:22,813 --> 00:40:25,093
Speaker 4: be an aggressive move. I just would never ask. I

814
00:40:25,093 --> 00:40:27,172
Speaker 4: think there's a cutoff because because once you ask, if

815
00:40:27,173 --> 00:40:28,893
Speaker 4: I say no, then I'm the bad guy, right.

816
00:40:29,133 --> 00:40:30,733
Speaker 3: I think there's a cutoff. I think if it's if

817
00:40:30,773 --> 00:40:33,172
Speaker 3: it's before five am in the morning, get an uber,

818
00:40:33,293 --> 00:40:36,333
Speaker 3: And if it's later than ten pm, get an uber.

819
00:40:37,613 --> 00:40:39,373
Speaker 3: Get your thoughts though. Nine two nine to two. And

820
00:40:39,453 --> 00:40:42,333
Speaker 3: just before we get into this next topic topic about drugs.

821
00:40:42,653 --> 00:40:45,693
Speaker 3: A big story that's gone viral over the past twenty

822
00:40:45,733 --> 00:40:48,733
Speaker 3: four hours and there's been a question that's floated around

823
00:40:48,813 --> 00:40:51,653
Speaker 3: for some decades, and that question is are tennis players

824
00:40:51,893 --> 00:40:54,893
Speaker 3: the biggest winers ever when it comes to sport. I

825
00:40:54,933 --> 00:40:56,973
Speaker 3: think many people would lean on the side of yes

826
00:40:57,413 --> 00:40:59,933
Speaker 3: on that question, and I think what happened in this

827
00:41:00,013 --> 00:41:04,853
Speaker 3: incident would probably have even more people going across to

828
00:41:04,893 --> 00:41:07,333
Speaker 3: the yes, they are the biggest winers in sport. This

829
00:41:07,373 --> 00:41:10,573
Speaker 3: is after the mid for thev had a complete and

830
00:41:10,773 --> 00:41:14,172
Speaker 3: utter meltdown at the Monte Carlo Masters. Here's a little

831
00:41:14,173 --> 00:41:15,173
Speaker 3: bit of that audio.

832
00:41:15,453 --> 00:41:15,973
Speaker 7: Well, this is.

833
00:41:15,973 --> 00:41:18,493
Speaker 3: Becoming a real headache now for mempdeta.

834
00:41:18,613 --> 00:41:24,973
Speaker 8: Goodness me, the racket throat again, still.

835
00:41:25,693 --> 00:41:27,093
Speaker 4: With real vetter a.

836
00:41:27,293 --> 00:41:29,493
Speaker 15: Again and again.

837
00:41:36,413 --> 00:41:46,973
Speaker 3: It happ becoming everybody.

838
00:41:44,253 --> 00:41:45,893
Speaker 4: How long can you how long can you keep a

839
00:41:45,973 --> 00:41:48,692
Speaker 4: tenty going? He keep it going for some time? Can

840
00:41:49,053 --> 00:41:51,933
Speaker 4: crowd to get in into it? Still going? That's a

841
00:41:52,053 --> 00:41:56,493
Speaker 4: long tenting. It's a long tenting. How can you stay

842
00:41:56,533 --> 00:42:02,453
Speaker 4: angry for that long? I think that's unusable. It's unusable.

843
00:42:02,893 --> 00:42:05,933
Speaker 3: So seven times seven times, and like some could argue,

844
00:42:06,173 --> 00:42:08,493
Speaker 3: what are you You're weakling? Just smash it on the

845
00:42:08,493 --> 00:42:10,212
Speaker 3: first go, because he had to go seven times before

846
00:42:10,213 --> 00:42:12,493
Speaker 3: he completely broke that racket. But in terms of a

847
00:42:12,653 --> 00:42:14,653
Speaker 3: tanty cheapess.

848
00:42:14,853 --> 00:42:18,053
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean going Is it okay to go back

849
00:42:18,093 --> 00:42:21,133
Speaker 4: into the changing rooms and smash up the changing rooms?

850
00:42:21,653 --> 00:42:25,453
Speaker 4: Probably not, but doing the tant that for that long

851
00:42:25,613 --> 00:42:27,533
Speaker 4: in front of so many people, just the lack of

852
00:42:27,573 --> 00:42:32,453
Speaker 4: shame and that you're sure that your current problems are

853
00:42:32,493 --> 00:42:36,053
Speaker 4: so important that you need to just smash your It

854
00:42:36,053 --> 00:42:38,613
Speaker 4: feels like two minutes of hard we're getting through that racket.

855
00:42:38,693 --> 00:42:39,933
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's got to wear you out.

856
00:42:40,053 --> 00:42:42,013
Speaker 4: I mean he did. He was a tidy Kiwi. Not

857
00:42:42,053 --> 00:42:43,493
Speaker 4: that he's a Kiwi, he was a tidy Russian and

858
00:42:43,493 --> 00:42:46,373
Speaker 4: he put the racket in the rubbish bin when he finished. Yep.

859
00:42:46,773 --> 00:42:49,733
Speaker 4: But I'd say his reputation is in the rubbish as

860
00:42:49,773 --> 00:42:51,893
Speaker 4: well as a total knob.

861
00:42:52,093 --> 00:42:52,293
Speaker 7: Yeah.

862
00:42:52,453 --> 00:42:54,293
Speaker 3: I mean they called it the double bagel. It was

863
00:42:54,373 --> 00:42:58,573
Speaker 3: a massive humiliating defeat six zero, six zero in forty

864
00:42:58,653 --> 00:43:01,453
Speaker 3: nine minutes. But I think you've asked it before and

865
00:43:01,453 --> 00:43:03,453
Speaker 3: you've said it before, and I'm definitely in the camp

866
00:43:03,533 --> 00:43:04,933
Speaker 3: tennis players just do better.

867
00:43:05,373 --> 00:43:06,053
Speaker 4: Get to grip.

868
00:43:06,133 --> 00:43:08,732
Speaker 3: You know, you're just there to entertain the crowd. You're

869
00:43:08,733 --> 00:43:09,693
Speaker 3: not that spiritual.

870
00:43:09,773 --> 00:43:13,613
Speaker 4: They're very strange people because at press conferences and such,

871
00:43:13,653 --> 00:43:15,973
Speaker 4: they talk about themselves or if you're in a team

872
00:43:16,253 --> 00:43:18,933
Speaker 4: sports team, then you'll talk about the team, you know.

873
00:43:19,213 --> 00:43:22,013
Speaker 4: But tennis players are very focused on the souves. There's

874
00:43:22,013 --> 00:43:23,893
Speaker 4: a lot of practice as a whole team around them,

875
00:43:23,893 --> 00:43:27,093
Speaker 4: but the team is supporting them. There's superstars. There's something

876
00:43:27,133 --> 00:43:30,933
Speaker 4: about being a tennis superstar. You just end up being

877
00:43:30,933 --> 00:43:35,013
Speaker 4: a pressy, self involved winge tanti thrower.

878
00:43:35,133 --> 00:43:36,292
Speaker 3: Yeap nicely said.

879
00:43:37,333 --> 00:43:38,373
Speaker 1: News Talk said, be.

880
00:43:40,613 --> 00:43:43,212
Speaker 3: All right, let's get into this topic. Drug bus at

881
00:43:43,253 --> 00:43:46,933
Speaker 3: New Zealand's border have shot up considerably, with authorities catching

882
00:43:46,973 --> 00:43:51,053
Speaker 3: far bigger amounts of organized crime groups increasingly target this country.

883
00:43:51,133 --> 00:43:53,013
Speaker 3: The government says it shows New Zealand has been hit

884
00:43:53,053 --> 00:43:56,893
Speaker 3: hard clearly with traffickers using the Pacific as a main route.

885
00:43:57,093 --> 00:43:59,733
Speaker 3: And we also pay far more for class A drugs

886
00:43:59,733 --> 00:44:02,813
Speaker 3: than many Western counterparts, which makes us a very very

887
00:44:02,933 --> 00:44:06,613
Speaker 3: enticing market. And despite more siege siege is happening at

888
00:44:06,653 --> 00:44:11,493
Speaker 3: the border, the supply is increasing rapidly. So how easy

889
00:44:11,853 --> 00:44:14,333
Speaker 3: is it to get drugs in this country? I mean,

890
00:44:14,373 --> 00:44:17,533
Speaker 3: when you think about the access that you've got to information,

891
00:44:17,733 --> 00:44:20,533
Speaker 3: illicit information, the Internet will provide all and it's not

892
00:44:20,653 --> 00:44:23,573
Speaker 3: that difficult to try and find out how to acquire

893
00:44:23,653 --> 00:44:25,693
Speaker 3: various things via the Internet. You don't have to be

894
00:44:25,773 --> 00:44:27,652
Speaker 3: a hacker or some sort of supernered to do that.

895
00:44:28,533 --> 00:44:31,133
Speaker 3: So what do we do in this situation to combat

896
00:44:31,173 --> 00:44:32,973
Speaker 3: this absolute bombardment.

897
00:44:33,173 --> 00:44:35,333
Speaker 4: Well, if you've got six point five tons of drugs

898
00:44:35,373 --> 00:44:40,533
Speaker 4: seized by customs and twenty twenty four as opposed to

899
00:44:40,573 --> 00:44:43,933
Speaker 4: one point five tons in twenty eighteen, and yet use

900
00:44:43,973 --> 00:44:47,613
Speaker 4: of skyrocking rocketing, so wastewater tells us that use of skyrocketing,

901
00:44:47,613 --> 00:44:50,933
Speaker 4: particularly of cocaine. So if you're catching this much but

902
00:44:51,093 --> 00:44:54,013
Speaker 4: still so much is going through that, it's not like

903
00:44:54,093 --> 00:44:57,933
Speaker 4: that six point five tons stopped the usage and the

904
00:44:57,973 --> 00:45:02,853
Speaker 4: price has been lowering apparently. So you know, it's a

905
00:45:02,893 --> 00:45:05,652
Speaker 4: very complicated problem, isn't it. Because technology means Class A

906
00:45:05,773 --> 00:45:09,133
Speaker 4: drugs like cocaine are much easier and cheapier, deeper to

907
00:45:09,573 --> 00:45:13,893
Speaker 4: be manufactured by the cartels overseas, and way easier to

908
00:45:13,933 --> 00:45:16,613
Speaker 4: distribute through the you know, the lights of the dark web,

909
00:45:16,653 --> 00:45:19,652
Speaker 4: as you said, Toller, and you know they can get

910
00:45:19,653 --> 00:45:23,453
Speaker 4: more information about what's working and just absolutely flood the

911
00:45:23,453 --> 00:45:27,173
Speaker 4: New Zealand market as you say. Also, we're a premium

912
00:45:27,173 --> 00:45:29,573
Speaker 4: platinum markets. We pay more than anyone else. That's where

913
00:45:29,573 --> 00:45:31,893
Speaker 4: they're so focused on Australia and New Zealand. We'll pay

914
00:45:31,893 --> 00:45:35,013
Speaker 4: a premium for it. And there's numerous different ways to

915
00:45:35,133 --> 00:45:39,293
Speaker 4: get the drugs in what's this quote here? There isn't

916
00:45:39,333 --> 00:45:41,212
Speaker 4: one part of the border we need to strengthen. It's

917
00:45:41,213 --> 00:45:44,533
Speaker 4: coming through small packages and parcels, it's coming through container freight,

918
00:45:44,613 --> 00:45:47,253
Speaker 4: it's coming through corriers that traffic, it through airports, it's

919
00:45:47,253 --> 00:45:50,533
Speaker 4: coming through unacompaned baggage. Every way which way they can

920
00:45:50,573 --> 00:45:55,652
Speaker 4: circulate it. So it's just it's seems like, is it

921
00:45:55,693 --> 00:45:58,933
Speaker 4: a problem that's that's a quote from Customs Minister Casey Costello.

922
00:46:00,373 --> 00:46:03,413
Speaker 4: Is it a problem that we just can't solve? Is

923
00:46:03,813 --> 00:46:05,693
Speaker 4: it just too complicated now? Is it just whack a

924
00:46:05,733 --> 00:46:09,053
Speaker 4: mole situation now? And if you've got you get six

925
00:46:09,093 --> 00:46:11,893
Speaker 4: point five million times and it doesn't change the usage,

926
00:46:12,813 --> 00:46:15,973
Speaker 4: then do we need another another way of dealing with it?

927
00:46:15,973 --> 00:46:18,053
Speaker 4: If you know what's the solution?

928
00:46:18,173 --> 00:46:20,373
Speaker 3: Because there's a balance there, right. She says that there's

929
00:46:20,413 --> 00:46:22,373
Speaker 3: only so much funding that they can get into those

930
00:46:22,453 --> 00:46:25,093
Speaker 3: drug agencies and she's not expecting much more in the

931
00:46:25,093 --> 00:46:27,533
Speaker 3: budget because times are tough. So that's the balance, right,

932
00:46:27,613 --> 00:46:29,933
Speaker 3: I mean, how much money do you chuck at trying

933
00:46:29,973 --> 00:46:33,293
Speaker 3: to secure all these various holes in the border, and

934
00:46:32,893 --> 00:46:35,772
Speaker 3: there is many of them, and they'll keep finding more

935
00:46:36,213 --> 00:46:39,813
Speaker 3: before you almost put your hands up and say, we're

936
00:46:39,813 --> 00:46:41,133
Speaker 3: not going to win this one. And that's a hell

937
00:46:41,133 --> 00:46:44,293
Speaker 3: of a line by Casey Costello that we're not winning

938
00:46:44,293 --> 00:46:47,853
Speaker 3: this war. But I wouldn't say we're losing somewhere in

939
00:46:47,893 --> 00:46:48,293
Speaker 3: the middle.

940
00:46:50,093 --> 00:46:52,093
Speaker 4: And you know, that's just what you know. And I

941
00:46:52,093 --> 00:46:56,812
Speaker 4: guess wastewater tells you gives you information because you know

942
00:46:57,053 --> 00:47:00,212
Speaker 4: that there's the thing about the stuff you don't cat

943
00:47:00,493 --> 00:47:02,613
Speaker 4: don't find, you don't know a lot about it. Yeah,

944
00:47:02,933 --> 00:47:06,253
Speaker 4: organized crime generates about one point six billion per year

945
00:47:06,293 --> 00:47:09,453
Speaker 4: from drugs in New Zealand. So it's a huge, huge market,

946
00:47:09,493 --> 00:47:12,493
Speaker 4: isn't it. Absolutely it is one point six billion in

947
00:47:12,613 --> 00:47:15,013
Speaker 4: terms of all the businesses that happen. So it's readably

948
00:47:15,333 --> 00:47:18,893
Speaker 4: readily available, it seems these class A jokes. So yeah,

949
00:47:18,893 --> 00:47:22,013
Speaker 4: how easy is it to get it? And what are

950
00:47:22,013 --> 00:47:25,613
Speaker 4: we doing here? Is this just impossible? Does technology now mean,

951
00:47:25,933 --> 00:47:29,413
Speaker 4: with the Internet and with the manufacturing and with the

952
00:47:30,373 --> 00:47:32,413
Speaker 4: multiple ways they can get through our borders, is they

953
00:47:32,573 --> 00:47:34,333
Speaker 4: just do we just throw hands up in the air

954
00:47:34,373 --> 00:47:37,172
Speaker 4: and go well, let's just just look at another way

955
00:47:37,173 --> 00:47:38,053
Speaker 4: to deal with the situation.

956
00:47:38,213 --> 00:47:40,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, tell us what you think. Oh, eight hundred eighty

957
00:47:40,133 --> 00:47:41,933
Speaker 3: ten eighty is that number to call? Nine two ninety

958
00:47:41,933 --> 00:47:47,013
Speaker 3: two is the text backty shortly? It is quarter past two.

959
00:47:46,853 --> 00:47:51,253
Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon talk Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons

960
00:47:51,253 --> 00:47:54,333
Speaker 1: call eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talks they'd be.

961
00:47:56,413 --> 00:47:58,613
Speaker 3: It is eighteen past two. So how easy is it

962
00:47:58,653 --> 00:48:01,853
Speaker 3: to obtain drugs in this country? And considering how we're

963
00:48:01,893 --> 00:48:06,373
Speaker 3: bombarded at the border by cartels and other drug manufacturers,

964
00:48:06,573 --> 00:48:08,893
Speaker 3: do we have to accept the battle might be lost?

965
00:48:08,893 --> 00:48:10,933
Speaker 4: Oh, one hundred and eighteen eighty. The sixty is high

966
00:48:11,013 --> 00:48:12,813
Speaker 4: z it b. We normally do coke a few times

967
00:48:12,813 --> 00:48:14,893
Speaker 4: a year on special occasions. It's very easy to get

968
00:48:15,053 --> 00:48:16,853
Speaker 4: We get it through a Facebook page, pay the money

969
00:48:16,853 --> 00:48:19,013
Speaker 4: into a PayPal account and New Zealand Post delivers two

970
00:48:19,053 --> 00:48:20,093
Speaker 4: days later by career.

971
00:48:20,893 --> 00:48:24,133
Speaker 3: That is very easy, cheap. Thank you very much for

972
00:48:24,173 --> 00:48:24,653
Speaker 3: that text.

973
00:48:25,333 --> 00:48:27,373
Speaker 4: Yeah, So, I mean, you know you're spending a lot

974
00:48:27,413 --> 00:48:31,373
Speaker 4: of money trying to fight this whole thing, and you

975
00:48:31,413 --> 00:48:36,253
Speaker 4: know it's leaking through multiple different ways, and yet people

976
00:48:36,613 --> 00:48:39,252
Speaker 4: increasingly say it's just really really easy to get. Yeah,

977
00:48:39,293 --> 00:48:42,133
Speaker 4: so what's going on here? Yeah, Jimmy, how are you?

978
00:48:42,173 --> 00:48:42,453
Speaker 1: Mate?

979
00:48:43,693 --> 00:48:44,733
Speaker 17: Boys Salves?

980
00:48:44,813 --> 00:48:46,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, not too bad? What's your thoughts?

981
00:48:48,053 --> 00:48:48,333
Speaker 11: Yeah?

982
00:48:48,373 --> 00:48:50,773
Speaker 17: So I'm in my late twenties and I've I guess

983
00:48:50,813 --> 00:48:53,413
Speaker 17: I've been around these you know, illegal substances now for

984
00:48:53,413 --> 00:48:55,853
Speaker 17: about ten years or so, and it has never been

985
00:48:55,933 --> 00:49:00,533
Speaker 17: easier to get stuff at the moment, and especially coke

986
00:49:01,333 --> 00:49:03,453
Speaker 17: like it is just it just seems to be everywhere,

987
00:49:03,493 --> 00:49:05,093
Speaker 17: like every man and this dog is doing it, and

988
00:49:05,133 --> 00:49:06,893
Speaker 17: every man in this dog seems to be selling it.

989
00:49:07,773 --> 00:49:10,173
Speaker 4: How are people getting it? Are they getting at the

990
00:49:10,173 --> 00:49:12,213
Speaker 4: old school way of knowing a dealer?

991
00:49:13,013 --> 00:49:16,252
Speaker 17: There's there's a lot of there's these apps. There's these

992
00:49:16,493 --> 00:49:19,333
Speaker 17: sort of secretive private apps that a lot of people

993
00:49:19,853 --> 00:49:22,293
Speaker 17: and if you get the username of the particular person,

994
00:49:22,373 --> 00:49:24,373
Speaker 17: you can log on and you can message them and

995
00:49:25,333 --> 00:49:26,933
Speaker 17: you can do that or you just you know, you

996
00:49:27,093 --> 00:49:29,453
Speaker 17: just there's so many also, so many people seem to

997
00:49:29,453 --> 00:49:31,973
Speaker 17: be doing it these days that you know, it doesn't

998
00:49:31,973 --> 00:49:33,893
Speaker 17: take long for you to ask and all of a sudden,

999
00:49:33,933 --> 00:49:36,613
Speaker 17: you can know someone will send you a freaking name, and.

1000
00:49:36,533 --> 00:49:39,613
Speaker 4: So does does it come through? So when you order

1001
00:49:39,613 --> 00:49:41,813
Speaker 4: it through an app? Is this coming from overseas or

1002
00:49:41,853 --> 00:49:43,893
Speaker 4: is this someone that's already imported it into New Zealand

1003
00:49:43,933 --> 00:49:45,253
Speaker 4: and is distributing it locally.

1004
00:49:46,093 --> 00:49:49,773
Speaker 17: No idea from what from what I know, like you

1005
00:49:49,893 --> 00:49:52,773
Speaker 17: just go and meet somebody and like, you know, you

1006
00:49:52,813 --> 00:49:54,732
Speaker 17: just pick it up locally. But I don't know where

1007
00:49:54,733 --> 00:49:57,093
Speaker 17: they're getting it from or who's you know, who's behind

1008
00:49:57,093 --> 00:49:58,053
Speaker 17: the scenes or anything.

1009
00:49:58,693 --> 00:50:02,133
Speaker 4: Yeah, because someone was telling me recently that there's there's

1010
00:50:02,133 --> 00:50:04,333
Speaker 4: a system where it gets delivered to It was a

1011
00:50:04,413 --> 00:50:08,333
Speaker 4: dark web situation. Just got delivered to your mailbox. Someone

1012
00:50:08,413 --> 00:50:10,053
Speaker 4: drove around and put it into your mailbox. One day,

1013
00:50:10,093 --> 00:50:12,893
Speaker 4: you go down there, and then the idea is if

1014
00:50:12,933 --> 00:50:15,013
Speaker 4: the police find in your mailbox or whatever, you go, well,

1015
00:50:15,053 --> 00:50:15,692
Speaker 4: I didn't ask for.

1016
00:50:15,653 --> 00:50:18,813
Speaker 3: It, but plausible deniability all that kind of stuff.

1017
00:50:19,573 --> 00:50:22,453
Speaker 17: Yeah, I'm not sure about that one. I've never experienced

1018
00:50:22,453 --> 00:50:25,973
Speaker 17: that myself. But I did want to say to you

1019
00:50:26,013 --> 00:50:30,493
Speaker 17: boys actually that it's easy here, but it is nowhere

1020
00:50:30,533 --> 00:50:32,573
Speaker 17: there as easy as overseas.

1021
00:50:32,613 --> 00:50:32,893
Speaker 7: I mean.

1022
00:50:33,333 --> 00:50:37,253
Speaker 17: I went to Hollywood last last October and literally I

1023
00:50:37,293 --> 00:50:40,693
Speaker 17: went out on a Tuesday night to a bar. The

1024
00:50:40,733 --> 00:50:42,853
Speaker 17: first bar I went to, the first person I asked.

1025
00:50:42,893 --> 00:50:44,933
Speaker 17: Within twenty minutes, I had some you know, so it's

1026
00:50:45,253 --> 00:50:48,693
Speaker 17: it's nowhere near that easy here as it is overseas,

1027
00:50:48,773 --> 00:50:50,733
Speaker 17: but it's still pretty booming.

1028
00:50:51,253 --> 00:50:53,373
Speaker 4: I saw a when I was in Las Vegas. I

1029
00:50:53,453 --> 00:50:55,373
Speaker 4: saw a guy who was walking around with a cap

1030
00:50:55,413 --> 00:50:59,533
Speaker 4: on that said Cocaine Sales, and people were just going

1031
00:50:59,573 --> 00:51:00,253
Speaker 4: up and buying it.

1032
00:51:00,253 --> 00:51:03,813
Speaker 3: Because it was in America, Las Vegas.

1033
00:51:04,893 --> 00:51:06,133
Speaker 18: It's very easy.

1034
00:51:06,253 --> 00:51:09,933
Speaker 4: Yeah, So what do you you think that there's any

1035
00:51:09,973 --> 00:51:12,573
Speaker 4: way because you know, you talked about the app, right,

1036
00:51:12,613 --> 00:51:16,013
Speaker 4: and there was that famous situation recently with the FBI

1037
00:51:16,093 --> 00:51:18,133
Speaker 4: set up a fake app and ran it for a

1038
00:51:18,253 --> 00:51:20,333
Speaker 4: bunch of time and then then got all this information

1039
00:51:20,453 --> 00:51:22,933
Speaker 4: and busted a whole other people. I think they took

1040
00:51:22,973 --> 00:51:24,733
Speaker 4: down most of the color Bees in New Zealand on

1041
00:51:24,773 --> 00:51:28,413
Speaker 4: this information, didn't they? So you know, how how can

1042
00:51:28,453 --> 00:51:31,692
Speaker 4: you be sure as a person that that the app

1043
00:51:31,773 --> 00:51:34,893
Speaker 4: isn't just you know, the cops, I get.

1044
00:51:34,933 --> 00:51:37,252
Speaker 17: I guess you can't. I mean, I guess it's word

1045
00:51:37,253 --> 00:51:39,533
Speaker 17: of mouth from you know, for somebody that you trust

1046
00:51:39,573 --> 00:51:41,773
Speaker 17: and they let you know and they say they use this,

1047
00:51:41,893 --> 00:51:45,813
Speaker 17: and I guess you take the risk. But yeah, I mean,

1048
00:51:46,053 --> 00:51:48,373
Speaker 17: you know, is it You're always you're always prone to

1049
00:51:48,373 --> 00:51:49,693
Speaker 17: be getting caught doing that stuff.

1050
00:51:50,133 --> 00:51:52,652
Speaker 3: Is it to boots that you know, if you go

1051
00:51:52,733 --> 00:51:54,733
Speaker 3: to a party or you're with a group of people,

1052
00:51:54,733 --> 00:51:56,413
Speaker 3: you might know some of them, you don't know others.

1053
00:51:57,013 --> 00:51:59,093
Speaker 3: Is it taboots to sort of raised that question or

1054
00:51:59,133 --> 00:52:01,533
Speaker 3: do you think it's becoming less underground, becoming a lot

1055
00:52:01,573 --> 00:52:01,933
Speaker 3: more maze.

1056
00:52:02,413 --> 00:52:06,013
Speaker 17: It seems only coke. The rest of them are a

1057
00:52:06,013 --> 00:52:09,413
Speaker 17: little bit you know, people were but fy on them,

1058
00:52:09,453 --> 00:52:11,652
Speaker 17: but coke seems to be like, like I said, like

1059
00:52:11,733 --> 00:52:13,413
Speaker 17: everybody just seems to be doing it now and it's

1060
00:52:13,493 --> 00:52:16,053
Speaker 17: it has this reputation has been like the classy drug.

1061
00:52:16,173 --> 00:52:20,733
Speaker 17: You know. So yeah, you get people that will like

1062
00:52:20,933 --> 00:52:23,212
Speaker 17: never do any other drug ever, and they'll be there'll

1063
00:52:23,253 --> 00:52:26,733
Speaker 17: be one in some of this, you know, like, yeah.

1064
00:52:25,973 --> 00:52:26,413
Speaker 5: Is it.

1065
00:52:27,853 --> 00:52:31,053
Speaker 4: Do you ever think about something like cocaine, because you know,

1066
00:52:31,133 --> 00:52:36,493
Speaker 4: people talk about ethically sourced materials and there's all this

1067
00:52:36,613 --> 00:52:39,893
Speaker 4: kind of stuff. People talk about the environment and all

1068
00:52:39,973 --> 00:52:41,293
Speaker 4: this kind of stuff. I'm just trying to think of

1069
00:52:41,373 --> 00:52:45,293
Speaker 4: sustainable drugs because because it's there's vegans that will take cocaine,

1070
00:52:45,413 --> 00:52:47,533
Speaker 4: is what I'm saying, And there's people that have these

1071
00:52:47,573 --> 00:52:52,692
Speaker 4: incredibly sort of progressive views on them, on on on

1072
00:52:52,813 --> 00:52:55,053
Speaker 4: things but there's a there's a there's a train of

1073
00:52:55,053 --> 00:52:58,333
Speaker 4: misery from coke from from where cocaine is manufactured all

1074
00:52:58,333 --> 00:53:01,373
Speaker 4: the way to someone's nostrils in New Zealand. So is

1075
00:53:01,413 --> 00:53:04,333
Speaker 4: any any thought that goes towards that, the horror show

1076
00:53:04,373 --> 00:53:07,093
Speaker 4: of it, the body count and all that kind of stuff.

1077
00:53:07,773 --> 00:53:09,453
Speaker 17: I think, I think what a lot of it is

1078
00:53:09,453 --> 00:53:12,253
Speaker 17: is that, like you know, cocaine especially, it's quite it's

1079
00:53:12,333 --> 00:53:15,653
Speaker 17: quite a clean sort of feeling, you know, and it's

1080
00:53:15,733 --> 00:53:17,973
Speaker 17: more just a stimulant, like you don't really feel out

1081
00:53:18,013 --> 00:53:19,573
Speaker 17: of it. You just sort of feel like you've had

1082
00:53:19,613 --> 00:53:22,213
Speaker 17: you know, fifty coffees and you feel really great, and

1083
00:53:22,253 --> 00:53:25,172
Speaker 17: then to come down and the hangover is not as

1084
00:53:26,013 --> 00:53:27,813
Speaker 17: like it doesn't doesn't knock you out as much as

1085
00:53:27,813 --> 00:53:29,893
Speaker 17: the other ones do. So I think that's why people

1086
00:53:29,973 --> 00:53:32,773
Speaker 17: are more they'll put their hand up to do something

1087
00:53:32,773 --> 00:53:35,453
Speaker 17: because they know it's not gonna have such a bad

1088
00:53:35,493 --> 00:53:37,252
Speaker 17: negative effect a couple of days later.

1089
00:53:37,333 --> 00:53:38,093
Speaker 4: But I'll take it.

1090
00:53:38,173 --> 00:53:40,973
Speaker 3: Meth is probably still a dirty you dirty word in

1091
00:53:41,013 --> 00:53:44,013
Speaker 3: those circles that you run in massively massively.

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00:53:44,133 --> 00:53:47,453
Speaker 17: Yeah, some people that you know, I know that are

1093
00:53:47,493 --> 00:53:50,573
Speaker 17: selling coke, they won't even touch myth you know, and

1094
00:53:51,053 --> 00:53:53,293
Speaker 17: somebody mentions that they turn their nose up at it,

1095
00:53:53,333 --> 00:53:54,773
Speaker 17: you know, so it's quite funny.

1096
00:53:55,373 --> 00:53:58,013
Speaker 4: Is there any fear, Is there any fear of being

1097
00:53:58,493 --> 00:54:02,853
Speaker 4: bustard or or anything like that. It just sounds like

1098
00:54:02,893 --> 00:54:05,013
Speaker 4: people are treating it like turning up with a bottle

1099
00:54:05,013 --> 00:54:06,413
Speaker 4: of wine at a dinner party.

1100
00:54:06,493 --> 00:54:08,333
Speaker 17: Yeah, that's that's That's exactly what it is.

1101
00:54:08,813 --> 00:54:09,013
Speaker 7: No.

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00:54:09,093 --> 00:54:11,933
Speaker 17: I mean, I imagine if you had a big bulk

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00:54:11,973 --> 00:54:13,453
Speaker 17: of it, but I mean it's I mean, you can

1104
00:54:13,493 --> 00:54:15,973
Speaker 17: have like, you know, a thousand dollars worth of the

1105
00:54:16,013 --> 00:54:17,613
Speaker 17: stuff and them would even know. You know, it can

1106
00:54:17,653 --> 00:54:19,253
Speaker 17: sit in the back of your phone sort of thing,

1107
00:54:19,293 --> 00:54:23,053
Speaker 17: and it's it's pretty under their radar, whereas, like you know, weed,

1108
00:54:23,293 --> 00:54:25,213
Speaker 17: you can smell it a mile away, somebody has like

1109
00:54:25,253 --> 00:54:26,212
Speaker 17: the tiniest little bit.

1110
00:54:26,293 --> 00:54:35,252
Speaker 4: So now, cocaine conversations are punishingly, famously punishingly full of craps.

1111
00:54:35,573 --> 00:54:37,373
Speaker 4: I mean, what are the hangs like with a bunch

1112
00:54:37,453 --> 00:54:40,013
Speaker 4: of people, you know.

1113
00:54:39,693 --> 00:54:43,292
Speaker 17: I guess that makes them all more talkative. And yeah,

1114
00:54:43,813 --> 00:54:46,133
Speaker 17: it is a lot of shit though. I mean the

1115
00:54:46,173 --> 00:54:48,093
Speaker 17: next day you look back on it and it's like,

1116
00:54:49,093 --> 00:54:50,453
Speaker 17: you know, yeah.

1117
00:54:50,093 --> 00:54:52,333
Speaker 4: Oh hey, thank you, thank you for calling up, Jimmy

1118
00:54:52,333 --> 00:54:54,453
Speaker 4: and thank you for your your candor.

1119
00:54:54,573 --> 00:54:57,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, very interesting, Thanks very much. Oh one hundred and

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00:54:57,093 --> 00:54:57,933
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty.

1121
00:54:57,973 --> 00:54:59,933
Speaker 4: Do you agree with Jimmy, that's that's a problem for

1122
00:55:00,013 --> 00:55:04,213
Speaker 4: custom Minister Casey Costello, that people I have zero fear

1123
00:55:04,693 --> 00:55:11,053
Speaker 4: and zero almost zero problems getting it if they want it. Yeah.

1124
00:55:10,933 --> 00:55:13,493
Speaker 3: I mean, you know you mentioned before is the battle loss.

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00:55:13,533 --> 00:55:15,813
Speaker 3: That seems to me like the battle is lost. But

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00:55:15,893 --> 00:55:18,853
Speaker 3: you can't. Can you just give up entirely on stopping

1127
00:55:18,853 --> 00:55:20,652
Speaker 3: these shipments. I don't think you can. You've still got

1128
00:55:20,653 --> 00:55:22,573
Speaker 3: to try to some level to stop them getting in,

1129
00:55:22,613 --> 00:55:24,732
Speaker 3: but clearly they are losing that war.

1130
00:55:24,933 --> 00:55:27,732
Speaker 4: Death penalty, says this person bringing the death penalty, says

1131
00:55:27,773 --> 00:55:29,933
Speaker 4: this person. All right, the death penalty will sort it out,

1132
00:55:29,933 --> 00:55:32,333
Speaker 4: says this person. Well, it's worked in some countries arguably.

1133
00:55:32,733 --> 00:55:34,493
Speaker 3: Yeah, whether we want that here is a different story.

1134
00:55:34,533 --> 00:55:36,172
Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighties number to call.

1135
00:55:36,173 --> 00:55:37,133
Speaker 4: It's twenty five past.

1136
00:55:36,973 --> 00:55:44,413
Speaker 1: Two, matd Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call, Oh eight hundred

1137
00:55:44,413 --> 00:55:46,453
Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty on News Talks.

1138
00:55:46,253 --> 00:55:48,973
Speaker 3: EDB twenty seven past two. So we're talking about the

1139
00:55:48,973 --> 00:55:52,253
Speaker 3: amount of drugs coming into the country and Casey Costello,

1140
00:55:52,453 --> 00:55:54,933
Speaker 3: who heads up the ministry looking at border controls, say

1141
00:55:54,933 --> 00:55:57,533
Speaker 3: they're not winning, but they're not losing either.

1142
00:55:57,853 --> 00:56:00,213
Speaker 4: For goodness sake, News Talk ZEDB says this text to

1143
00:56:00,293 --> 00:56:02,453
Speaker 4: can you please not advertise on radio where and how

1144
00:56:02,493 --> 00:56:04,493
Speaker 4: to get drugs? How does that do any good?

1145
00:56:04,773 --> 00:56:04,933
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1146
00:56:04,973 --> 00:56:06,933
Speaker 4: I think that's a great idea. Not talking about these

1147
00:56:06,933 --> 00:56:09,213
Speaker 4: things and not highlighting what's going on and just pretending

1148
00:56:09,213 --> 00:56:12,293
Speaker 4: it's not happening. That seems like a really, really brilliant

1149
00:56:12,333 --> 00:56:14,853
Speaker 4: way to solve the problems. Yeah, if we just would

1150
00:56:14,853 --> 00:56:16,613
Speaker 4: you go, I don't want to hear about it. I

1151
00:56:16,653 --> 00:56:19,013
Speaker 4: don't want to know about it. No one talk about it,

1152
00:56:19,453 --> 00:56:22,493
Speaker 4: and then it'll just disappear for you maybe.

1153
00:56:22,493 --> 00:56:24,333
Speaker 3: But it's happening, lady, And this is a good thing

1154
00:56:24,373 --> 00:56:26,933
Speaker 3: about talking about it. Is your ear? What is going

1155
00:56:26,973 --> 00:56:28,453
Speaker 3: on in circles you might not know about?

1156
00:56:28,573 --> 00:56:32,093
Speaker 4: The stickster says, why does society get to choose which

1157
00:56:32,133 --> 00:56:34,733
Speaker 4: drugs are allowed? Alcohol and tobacco drugs but except it? Well,

1158
00:56:34,773 --> 00:56:39,013
Speaker 4: we had one and I think that was coke in MDMA.

1159
00:56:39,173 --> 00:56:44,693
Speaker 4: Aunt seems odd, Yeah, I mean, I mean famously, Sigmund

1160
00:56:44,693 --> 00:56:49,573
Speaker 4: Freud was diagnosing everyone with cocaine, didn't he famous givers

1161
00:56:49,613 --> 00:56:53,573
Speaker 4: Mom famously give his mum a cag of cocaine for

1162
00:56:54,453 --> 00:56:57,573
Speaker 4: Christmas to deal with her mental health problems. I think

1163
00:56:57,573 --> 00:56:58,013
Speaker 4: you're right.

1164
00:56:58,093 --> 00:57:00,373
Speaker 3: Yeah, And at one stage it was very popular to

1165
00:57:00,413 --> 00:57:03,693
Speaker 3: have ecstasy during couple's therapy, and they thought that was

1166
00:57:03,693 --> 00:57:04,373
Speaker 3: an ex big thing.

1167
00:57:04,493 --> 00:57:07,693
Speaker 4: But I think they saw what long term coke abuse

1168
00:57:07,733 --> 00:57:10,333
Speaker 4: does to people, and it's not great. No, it's not.

1169
00:57:10,773 --> 00:57:15,013
Speaker 4: Just ask bloody what's your name from fleetwood Man? Actually,

1170
00:57:15,013 --> 00:57:16,213
Speaker 4: ask anyone from fleetwood Man.

1171
00:57:16,693 --> 00:57:20,293
Speaker 3: A lot of musicians, actually, a couple more techts coming through.

1172
00:57:21,213 --> 00:57:23,813
Speaker 4: I can walk next door and buy as much myth

1173
00:57:23,893 --> 00:57:26,733
Speaker 4: as I want from my neighbor, just like twenty or

1174
00:57:26,733 --> 00:57:28,733
Speaker 4: so other people do every day. I've been reporting it

1175
00:57:28,733 --> 00:57:32,333
Speaker 4: to the police for six months. They're not interested, Paul, Right, Okay,

1176
00:57:32,613 --> 00:57:34,013
Speaker 4: you know you don't know what the cops are up

1177
00:57:34,013 --> 00:57:36,093
Speaker 4: to with that though. Sometimes they're trying to play a

1178
00:57:36,093 --> 00:57:38,093
Speaker 4: bigger game exactly. So they're like, I'm not going to

1179
00:57:38,213 --> 00:57:41,053
Speaker 4: run in and bust this guy. I'm gonna we're going

1180
00:57:41,133 --> 00:57:43,213
Speaker 4: to observe yep, and we're going to try and get

1181
00:57:43,573 --> 00:57:44,693
Speaker 4: mister Big up the line.

1182
00:57:44,893 --> 00:57:45,093
Speaker 7: You know.

1183
00:57:45,773 --> 00:57:48,893
Speaker 4: Sometimes the police are operating mysterious ways. Sometimes they can't

1184
00:57:48,933 --> 00:57:49,333
Speaker 4: be bothered.

1185
00:57:49,413 --> 00:57:51,653
Speaker 3: You never know, it's nicely said, you even know what

1186
00:57:51,693 --> 00:57:53,933
Speaker 3: plan they're own. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty

1187
00:57:54,013 --> 00:57:56,173
Speaker 3: is the number to call, So can you get your view?

1188
00:57:56,173 --> 00:57:59,213
Speaker 3: How easy is it to obtain drugs in New Zealand

1189
00:57:59,453 --> 00:58:01,573
Speaker 3: and considering how much is coming in despite the best

1190
00:58:01,573 --> 00:58:04,253
Speaker 3: of its a border control, have we lost that battle?

1191
00:58:04,413 --> 00:58:07,213
Speaker 3: Nineteen nine two is the text headlines with Jody coming.

1192
00:58:07,053 --> 00:58:10,813
Speaker 1: Up, Youth Talks at be headlines with.

1193
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Speaker 15: Your Ride, New Zealand's number one taxi app. Download your

1194
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Speaker 15: Ride today. The Prime Minister says ki we should be

1195
00:58:17,173 --> 00:58:21,853
Speaker 15: preparing for extreme weather, particularly heavy winds forecast to hit

1196
00:58:21,893 --> 00:58:26,373
Speaker 15: the North Island early Sunday when cyclone Viaurnu makes landfall.

1197
00:58:26,693 --> 00:58:27,333
Speaker 4: The storm's on.

1198
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Speaker 15: Tract about areas between Auckland and Corimandel, and a strong

1199
00:58:31,053 --> 00:58:35,973
Speaker 15: windwatch covers the entire North Island. On Sunday, Wioweka Gorge

1200
00:58:36,133 --> 00:58:39,293
Speaker 15: is closed again, while material from a slip on the

1201
00:58:39,293 --> 00:58:42,693
Speaker 15: section of State Highway iiO south of or Portoghi is

1202
00:58:42,773 --> 00:58:47,253
Speaker 15: removed but expected to reopen later today. People can detour

1203
00:58:47,413 --> 00:58:52,853
Speaker 15: via State Higways thirty five and five. Yesterday's fragile ceasefire

1204
00:58:53,053 --> 00:58:56,653
Speaker 15: is being tested and arounds again closing the Strait of

1205
00:58:56,693 --> 00:59:02,373
Speaker 15: hor Moose, blaming Israels, increasingly ferocious attacks on Lebanon police

1206
00:59:02,453 --> 00:59:05,933
Speaker 15: in christ Church sad person's death in Papa Nui yesterday

1207
00:59:06,133 --> 00:59:11,093
Speaker 15: is not suspicious with the most mortem complete. Mackenzie District

1208
00:59:11,093 --> 00:59:14,773
Speaker 15: Council is proposing parking and speed limits and having a

1209
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Speaker 15: heritage precinct around their composed Church of the Good Shepherd

1210
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Speaker 15: as the area struggles with high tourist numbers. Enjoy the

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Speaker 15: last few episodes. Good Sorts host confirmed six PMTV and

1212
00:59:27,773 --> 00:59:31,053
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1213
00:59:31,133 --> 00:59:35,373
Speaker 15: NZ Herald Premium. Back to Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much, Jody.

1215
00:59:36,293 --> 00:59:38,333
Speaker 3: So we're talking about the amount of drugs that are

1216
00:59:38,333 --> 00:59:41,933
Speaker 3: coming into the country. Border patrol are doing what they can,

1217
00:59:42,053 --> 00:59:44,453
Speaker 3: but they say that they are not winning that battle.

1218
00:59:44,453 --> 00:59:47,573
Speaker 3: They're not losing, but it's increasingly hard to combat it

1219
00:59:47,613 --> 00:59:49,653
Speaker 3: because we are such an enticing market.

1220
00:59:49,973 --> 00:59:53,333
Speaker 4: Yeah, as Casey Costello says, New Zealand has one of

1221
00:59:53,373 --> 00:59:56,093
Speaker 4: the highest retail prices for meth in the Western world

1222
00:59:56,533 --> 00:59:59,893
Speaker 4: and as a very lucrative market to big business, cartels

1223
00:59:59,893 --> 01:00:04,213
Speaker 4: and organized crime networks. Yeah, I mean it's worth it,

1224
01:00:04,293 --> 01:00:06,573
Speaker 4: and they can manufacture so much of it now and

1225
01:00:06,613 --> 01:00:09,533
Speaker 4: pump it through with very little risk. As we said before,

1226
01:00:09,573 --> 01:00:13,493
Speaker 4: six point six point five tons, Yeah, which is a

1227
01:00:13,533 --> 01:00:16,373
Speaker 4: heck of a lot, and still the usage goes up. Yeah.

1228
01:00:16,573 --> 01:00:18,773
Speaker 4: So this Texas says, I have a can of coke

1229
01:00:18,813 --> 01:00:21,453
Speaker 4: every day, never done many high harm. I'm now seventy

1230
01:00:21,893 --> 01:00:24,933
Speaker 4: on you. Yeah, it's a different coke. Yeah, arguably the

1231
01:00:24,973 --> 01:00:28,013
Speaker 4: good good type. I don't know, probably done you some harm,

1232
01:00:28,373 --> 01:00:28,613
Speaker 4: it's not.

1233
01:00:28,693 --> 01:00:29,933
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's certainly not an outst on it.

1234
01:00:30,133 --> 01:00:32,413
Speaker 4: Probably not as much harm as if you'd taken cocaine

1235
01:00:32,413 --> 01:00:35,013
Speaker 4: every day, but all what your teeth might have felt

1236
01:00:35,013 --> 01:00:37,693
Speaker 4: that a little bit Steve fackrom the show here you

1237
01:00:37,773 --> 01:00:39,213
Speaker 4: go on there, Yeah, very well.

1238
01:00:39,293 --> 01:00:41,373
Speaker 3: So you know a bit about the dark web operation.

1239
01:00:42,413 --> 01:00:45,413
Speaker 11: Yeah, so I've been watching it sort of evolve over

1240
01:00:45,413 --> 01:00:47,893
Speaker 11: the last ten years, just on the individual level, from

1241
01:00:48,293 --> 01:00:52,493
Speaker 11: that of I guess you'd say, a customer, And from

1242
01:00:52,493 --> 01:00:56,053
Speaker 11: what I've seen is these apps that get used with

1243
01:00:56,213 --> 01:01:00,453
Speaker 11: these group chats, they grow and the what they appear.

1244
01:01:00,693 --> 01:01:03,573
Speaker 11: First off, they appear out of nowhere. You'll see a

1245
01:01:03,613 --> 01:01:08,653
Speaker 11: link for another another group chat come up in one

1246
01:01:08,693 --> 01:01:10,493
Speaker 11: of these groups that you're already existing and that you're

1247
01:01:10,493 --> 01:01:13,373
Speaker 11: already a part of and that will be your gateway

1248
01:01:13,453 --> 01:01:15,533
Speaker 11: to another one. So then you've got double the amount

1249
01:01:15,573 --> 01:01:20,333
Speaker 11: of basically drugs on offer, drugs of any kind. And

1250
01:01:20,813 --> 01:01:23,693
Speaker 11: this idea that cocaine's on the rise, I can I

1251
01:01:23,693 --> 01:01:25,293
Speaker 11: don't think it's just an idea, it's a fact. But

1252
01:01:26,493 --> 01:01:29,373
Speaker 11: to think that other drugs are being sort of pushed

1253
01:01:29,373 --> 01:01:32,413
Speaker 11: away and that's that's being more of what people are

1254
01:01:32,413 --> 01:01:35,053
Speaker 11: getting into now is a bit ignorance, I think, because

1255
01:01:35,853 --> 01:01:38,613
Speaker 11: these these online group chats are like it's like that

1256
01:01:38,733 --> 01:01:41,533
Speaker 11: of a bizarre You have all of these individual dealers

1257
01:01:41,533 --> 01:01:43,453
Speaker 11: that don't seem to have anything to do with each other,

1258
01:01:43,533 --> 01:01:46,413
Speaker 11: and they all put up their little advertisements maybe three,

1259
01:01:46,533 --> 01:01:49,133
Speaker 11: four or five times a day, hoping that anyone will

1260
01:01:49,173 --> 01:01:53,693
Speaker 11: see them click on them, and that's their marketing complete. Well,

1261
01:01:53,693 --> 01:01:55,653
Speaker 11: it takes about thirty seconds out of their day each

1262
01:01:55,653 --> 01:02:00,853
Speaker 11: time they do it. They can have anywhere from one, two, three,

1263
01:02:00,973 --> 01:02:03,533
Speaker 11: four to ten twenty fifty people texting them off of

1264
01:02:03,573 --> 01:02:08,213
Speaker 11: one message they put up, and the customers they don't

1265
01:02:08,213 --> 01:02:10,453
Speaker 11: have to go through one person. There might be five

1266
01:02:10,493 --> 01:02:13,333
Speaker 11: different people selling the same products that they're looking to

1267
01:02:13,373 --> 01:02:16,933
Speaker 11: get for five different price variations, and you know they'll

1268
01:02:16,933 --> 01:02:17,413
Speaker 11: always go.

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01:02:17,373 --> 01:02:17,933
Speaker 7: To the cheapest.

1270
01:02:17,973 --> 01:02:21,853
Speaker 11: And looking at the moment, I can see that there's

1271
01:02:22,573 --> 01:02:25,773
Speaker 11: been an influx of these Crest pills coming in. They

1272
01:02:25,813 --> 01:02:28,413
Speaker 11: have all sorts of different symbols on them, different kinds

1273
01:02:28,413 --> 01:02:33,213
Speaker 11: of car manufacturers, ornaments and all sorts of things. And

1274
01:02:33,253 --> 01:02:36,093
Speaker 11: there's no description of what the drugs actually contain whatsoever.

1275
01:02:36,133 --> 01:02:38,413
Speaker 11: There's only a price and some made up so one

1276
01:02:38,413 --> 01:02:39,493
Speaker 11: of them is called blue Lollies.

1277
01:02:40,173 --> 01:02:40,533
Speaker 7: You know.

1278
01:02:41,973 --> 01:02:45,253
Speaker 4: That's terrifying. Yeah, So you can be taking you could

1279
01:02:45,253 --> 01:02:46,453
Speaker 4: be taking anything at all.

1280
01:02:47,133 --> 01:02:50,453
Speaker 11: You could be and that's exactly right. There was advertisements

1281
01:02:50,453 --> 01:02:54,493
Speaker 11: not long ago for something called Toothy if I'm correct,

1282
01:02:54,573 --> 01:02:57,813
Speaker 11: and this I've read about it. It's manufactured in Colombia

1283
01:02:57,933 --> 01:03:04,973
Speaker 11: and they use anything from at LEAs d ketamines, methan, thetamine,

1284
01:03:05,013 --> 01:03:09,573
Speaker 11: to speed to crack cocaine. They'll put a big mixture

1285
01:03:09,613 --> 01:03:12,133
Speaker 11: of unmeasured amount of drugs and a bowl together, mix

1286
01:03:12,253 --> 01:03:13,813
Speaker 11: them up, put them in a bag with a bit

1287
01:03:13,813 --> 01:03:15,733
Speaker 11: of pink dye and they send it off around the world.

1288
01:03:15,933 --> 01:03:18,293
Speaker 11: And I've seen this stuff advertised here in New Zealand,

1289
01:03:18,573 --> 01:03:20,533
Speaker 11: and the people that were advertising it were saying it

1290
01:03:20,613 --> 01:03:25,453
Speaker 11: was sixty percent cocaine, twenty percent MBMA and twenty percent ketamine.

1291
01:03:26,013 --> 01:03:29,093
Speaker 11: The manufacturers back in Columbia were claiming that it has

1292
01:03:29,133 --> 01:03:31,533
Speaker 11: a plethora of drugs. It's not just these three things.

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Speaker 11: And even at that, how could anyone trust that the

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Speaker 11: quantities that this person is giving us in their advertisements

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Speaker 11: are correct?

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Speaker 7: I don't believe that this person has the main even

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01:03:40,173 --> 01:03:40,493
Speaker 7: meused that.

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Speaker 4: And are they the toe person you trust?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, we'll not regulate it. It's someone someone under the

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Speaker 11: guise of a cartoon character, a friendly cartoon character, a

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01:03:52,653 --> 01:03:53,373
Speaker 11: familiar face.

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Speaker 7: So it's it's you know most of these I mean.

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Speaker 11: Gang members for all anyone knows and you've never known.

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Speaker 4: And so a couple of questions here, how does payment

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01:04:02,413 --> 01:04:04,013
Speaker 4: and delivery work?

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Speaker 11: Well, it's a symbol as texting them. You're asking for

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01:04:07,453 --> 01:04:10,293
Speaker 11: an address, or you're tell them your address, or they'll

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01:04:10,293 --> 01:04:11,933
Speaker 11: give you a spot to meet up, whether it's at

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01:04:11,933 --> 01:04:13,693
Speaker 11: a park or on the corner of the street, around

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01:04:13,693 --> 01:04:15,093
Speaker 11: the corner from their house, so you don't know where

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01:04:15,093 --> 01:04:18,493
Speaker 11: they are. It's it's as symbol as you hear the

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01:04:18,613 --> 01:04:20,613
Speaker 11: you hear the muster whip, your truck outside of you

1313
01:04:20,693 --> 01:04:22,773
Speaker 11: run out, you know, it's.

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Speaker 7: It could be as it could be capple.

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Speaker 11: Is that payment yet cash cast? It could be cash payment.

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01:04:26,853 --> 01:04:29,413
Speaker 11: You see a lot of people do bank transaction and

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01:04:29,413 --> 01:04:30,853
Speaker 11: then a lot of people will be opposed to that

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01:04:30,933 --> 01:04:34,293
Speaker 11: idea because they might have had so many small transactions

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Speaker 11: coming against their accounts that have been have been flagged

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Speaker 11: as someone that's engaging in something that you know, gets

1321
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Speaker 11: some untaxed income and all these sort of things, so

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Speaker 11: they avoid that they try to go.

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Speaker 7: To the cash.

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Speaker 11: But yeah, it's it's it's quite simple. Really, it's actually

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01:04:46,773 --> 01:04:48,573
Speaker 11: a lot more symbol than people think. And I think

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Speaker 11: for me, what I see is the largest problem is

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Speaker 11: there's there's no regulation whatsoever, and these people that are

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01:04:57,453 --> 01:05:02,933
Speaker 11: these drug dealers, these there's criminals. They're taking advantage of

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01:05:02,933 --> 01:05:05,813
Speaker 11: the facts that there's a bigger market when there's no

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01:05:05,933 --> 01:05:09,373
Speaker 11: age restriction. You know, there's there's kids, No one's asking

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01:05:09,373 --> 01:05:10,933
Speaker 11: how old they are, no one, no one's in the

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01:05:10,973 --> 01:05:12,773
Speaker 11: air about what they're doing wrong.

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Speaker 7: And what harm to cause.

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Speaker 11: And you know how engaging and what they think is

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Speaker 11: a bit of fun because that seems like it's socially

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Speaker 11: acceptable in the groups are and can cause a lifetime

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Speaker 11: I don't think these kids understand, you know, these adults

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Speaker 11: that are that are like they're praying on children and.

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Speaker 4: We hear about you know that the problems with with

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01:05:32,893 --> 01:05:38,133
Speaker 4: you know, drugs being mixed with likes of fentanyl as that.

1341
01:05:38,173 --> 01:05:40,773
Speaker 4: I mean, that's got to be pretty serious risk, right

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01:05:41,253 --> 01:05:43,213
Speaker 4: if you've got no idea, you've got no idea the

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01:05:43,973 --> 01:05:49,533
Speaker 4: percentage of what you're getting, and right, I mean that

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Speaker 4: that's that's that's kind of a terrifying situation. And one

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Speaker 4: of these groups, though surely it would be not I mean,

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01:05:55,973 --> 01:05:59,293
Speaker 4: you know, historically you've got police going under cover with

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01:05:59,333 --> 01:06:02,413
Speaker 4: gangs and risking everything. But surely it wouldn't be too

1348
01:06:02,413 --> 01:06:05,613
Speaker 4: hard for a police officer to you know, or some

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01:06:05,693 --> 01:06:10,213
Speaker 4: law enforcement to find one of these yeah, sort of

1350
01:06:10,773 --> 01:06:13,093
Speaker 4: infiltrate this. It seems like reasonably easy thing to do,

1351
01:06:13,213 --> 01:06:14,413
Speaker 4: wouldn't it, And it is.

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Speaker 11: It is incredibly easy thing to do. And I think

1353
01:06:16,333 --> 01:06:19,733
Speaker 11: that's I think that's where they kind of win, is

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01:06:19,773 --> 01:06:22,133
Speaker 11: the fact that these people that are using these groups

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01:06:22,533 --> 01:06:24,453
Speaker 11: on a daily basis, this day in, day out, twenty

1356
01:06:24,453 --> 01:06:28,613
Speaker 11: four hours a day, they quite out in the real world.

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01:06:28,693 --> 01:06:30,373
Speaker 11: You see a police car drive Pasty bran air and

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01:06:30,413 --> 01:06:32,493
Speaker 11: then you know, you see them, so you know they're real,

1359
01:06:32,533 --> 01:06:34,493
Speaker 11: you know they're out there. But it's sort of it.

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Speaker 11: It stops people from doing, I think, a bit more

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Speaker 11: of the the criminal activity that they would engage in.

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01:06:40,853 --> 01:06:43,013
Speaker 11: But with these groups, you don't see them. There's no sirens,

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01:06:43,013 --> 01:06:45,173
Speaker 11: there's no police knocking on the door. There's there's nothing,

1364
01:06:45,453 --> 01:06:48,573
Speaker 11: so they don't worry, and it's it's almost the whole

1365
01:06:48,573 --> 01:06:51,653
Speaker 11: ignorance is bliss. They you know, they choose to ignore

1366
01:06:51,653 --> 01:06:53,213
Speaker 11: the fact that there'll be a police officer in this group,

1367
01:06:53,293 --> 01:06:55,773
Speaker 11: but there are. It's been pointing out many a time

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01:06:55,813 --> 01:06:57,373
Speaker 11: that the police officers in these groups people they have

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01:06:57,413 --> 01:07:00,133
Speaker 11: their phones taken off them. They have their phone seized

1370
01:07:00,133 --> 01:07:01,653
Speaker 11: by the police when they're arrested and it will be

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01:07:01,733 --> 01:07:03,813
Speaker 11: used for evidence. All the police officers has to do

1372
01:07:03,893 --> 01:07:05,813
Speaker 11: is unset phone with the pastor that they have been

1373
01:07:05,813 --> 01:07:09,093
Speaker 11: given and that person has then given them exist. Maybe

1374
01:07:09,093 --> 01:07:11,013
Speaker 11: some people might have hundreds of groups on the phone.

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01:07:11,293 --> 01:07:13,213
Speaker 11: I knew a guy about six years ago is in

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01:07:13,213 --> 01:07:16,133
Speaker 11: prison now and he had I think three iPhones, and

1377
01:07:16,173 --> 01:07:18,813
Speaker 11: two of them he couldn't use the Facebook messenger app

1378
01:07:18,933 --> 01:07:21,453
Speaker 11: because they had been overloaded with these group chats and

1379
01:07:21,453 --> 01:07:23,093
Speaker 11: it would not work anymore. No matter what he would try,

1380
01:07:23,093 --> 01:07:25,853
Speaker 11: I couldn't get his work, couldn't reply to message. It

1381
01:07:25,893 --> 01:07:28,493
Speaker 11: would have been thousands. And that's just in Christach a loan.

1382
01:07:29,253 --> 01:07:33,533
Speaker 4: Wow, So is there just not a will to just

1383
01:07:34,493 --> 01:07:36,053
Speaker 4: because you feel like this could be shut down pretty

1384
01:07:36,093 --> 01:07:39,613
Speaker 4: quickly if they just started charging hundreds of people, if

1385
01:07:39,613 --> 01:07:41,853
Speaker 4: they went to you know, the police decided in christ Church,

1386
01:07:42,573 --> 01:07:47,893
Speaker 4: let's let's one day operation WhatsApp whatever, yeah, and just

1387
01:07:47,933 --> 01:07:51,653
Speaker 4: go and ping a whole lot of people, then you

1388
01:07:51,693 --> 01:07:54,973
Speaker 4: feel like, pretty quickly this wouldn't seem like a you know,

1389
01:07:55,013 --> 01:07:59,053
Speaker 4: the safe and easy way that you're describing to use it.

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01:07:59,133 --> 01:08:02,973
Speaker 4: People were messaged because you know, if people are like, oh,

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01:08:03,013 --> 01:08:05,293
Speaker 4: there's probably cops in here, but that's fine, We're still

1392
01:08:05,293 --> 01:08:08,133
Speaker 4: going to do it, then obviously the cops aren't busting

1393
01:08:08,133 --> 01:08:10,693
Speaker 4: a whole lot of people because the word would spread

1394
01:08:10,693 --> 01:08:11,613
Speaker 4: pretty quickly, wouldn't it.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, well no, definitely. That's the other thing is the

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01:08:14,773 --> 01:08:16,693
Speaker 11: way that people use them can be completely different. I

1397
01:08:16,773 --> 01:08:19,452
Speaker 11: mean it's really up to the user. There's no set rules,

1398
01:08:19,492 --> 01:08:21,612
Speaker 11: there is no way of operating in these group jets.

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01:08:21,613 --> 01:08:23,973
Speaker 11: But you see some people they might only advertise something

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01:08:24,053 --> 01:08:26,892
Speaker 11: once they might never advertise anything, and they'll see people

1401
01:08:27,253 --> 01:08:30,093
Speaker 11: putting up a message asking for whatever it may be

1402
01:08:30,133 --> 01:08:33,732
Speaker 11: a specific amount to a certain area of town, and

1403
01:08:33,772 --> 01:08:36,412
Speaker 11: these people will they will reply to that person privately,

1404
01:08:36,612 --> 01:08:38,532
Speaker 11: so no one else sees, no one else knows that

1405
01:08:38,572 --> 01:08:41,892
Speaker 11: they're even dealing any drugs, and then that person builds

1406
01:08:41,933 --> 01:08:43,732
Speaker 11: up a few customers, they build up your customer base,

1407
01:08:43,772 --> 01:08:45,732
Speaker 11: and then it's all done through word about after that,

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01:08:45,772 --> 01:08:47,412
Speaker 11: they don't even have to text them, you know.

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01:08:47,452 --> 01:08:48,852
Speaker 3: But I wonder if it's you know, it's that ware

1410
01:08:48,893 --> 01:08:50,973
Speaker 3: a mole situation. You mentioned it that you want to

1411
01:08:51,013 --> 01:08:54,293
Speaker 3: go after the kingpin, the guy that's that's bringing the

1412
01:08:54,372 --> 01:08:57,093
Speaker 3: drugs in and then distribute in it. And that's the

1413
01:08:57,093 --> 01:08:59,732
Speaker 3: hard part that if you've got the safety and numbers operation,

1414
01:08:59,893 --> 01:09:01,932
Speaker 3: if you take out a couple of those those low

1415
01:09:01,973 --> 01:09:04,532
Speaker 3: guys or or people that buy drugs on the weekend,

1416
01:09:05,013 --> 01:09:07,253
Speaker 3: is that going to make a difference long term? Perhaps,

1417
01:09:07,333 --> 01:09:09,133
Speaker 3: you know, that's the strategy they're looking at that it's

1418
01:09:09,133 --> 01:09:09,932
Speaker 3: almost futile.

1419
01:09:10,933 --> 01:09:12,173
Speaker 7: No, I don't think it does.

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01:09:12,372 --> 01:09:14,772
Speaker 11: I don't really think it does. And personally, I don't

1421
01:09:14,812 --> 01:09:18,372
Speaker 11: think trying to butter up the situation and make a

1422
01:09:18,372 --> 01:09:22,093
Speaker 11: better light of the epidemic of drug use that we're

1423
01:09:22,093 --> 01:09:23,972
Speaker 11: seeing in New Zealand is going to be doing anything

1424
01:09:23,973 --> 01:09:26,173
Speaker 11: good for our society. We need I think we need

1425
01:09:27,333 --> 01:09:29,852
Speaker 11: the stronger education and we need to relook at things

1426
01:09:29,893 --> 01:09:31,973
Speaker 11: that have happened in the past with these drugs. And

1427
01:09:32,412 --> 01:09:35,253
Speaker 11: there aren't any safe drugs I believe, I don't. Well,

1428
01:09:35,492 --> 01:09:37,413
Speaker 11: if they're illegal, they're illegal for a reason.

1429
01:09:37,652 --> 01:09:37,892
Speaker 7: You know.

1430
01:09:37,973 --> 01:09:40,213
Speaker 11: And I think it's going to take a lot of

1431
01:09:40,333 --> 01:09:44,812
Speaker 11: education and a lot of sort of restandardizing the way

1432
01:09:44,853 --> 01:09:47,812
Speaker 11: that people look at other people's behavior and whether they

1433
01:09:47,853 --> 01:09:51,412
Speaker 11: accept it or not because it's well. I've worked in

1434
01:09:51,452 --> 01:09:55,212
Speaker 11: hospitality as my first job when a less school at fifteen,

1435
01:09:55,412 --> 01:09:59,532
Speaker 11: and I'd never a drug use at all. I hadn't

1436
01:09:59,532 --> 01:10:01,732
Speaker 11: grown up around it, wasn't influenced by anyone using drugs.

1437
01:10:02,253 --> 01:10:05,492
Speaker 11: And through working in the hospitality industry and spending time

1438
01:10:05,532 --> 01:10:07,372
Speaker 11: with my workmates on the weekends when have been parties

1439
01:10:07,372 --> 01:10:11,972
Speaker 11: and everything, I was introduced to NDMA and I had

1440
01:10:12,013 --> 01:10:14,692
Speaker 11: no interest in ever doing anything like that. I never

1441
01:10:14,732 --> 01:10:16,932
Speaker 11: wanted to and because of the people I was around,

1442
01:10:17,013 --> 01:10:18,692
Speaker 11: I was much younger than all of them, I felt

1443
01:10:18,772 --> 01:10:20,213
Speaker 11: like it was an easy way to sit in by

1444
01:10:20,772 --> 01:10:22,812
Speaker 11: doing what everyone else is doing, and then that led

1445
01:10:23,333 --> 01:10:26,732
Speaker 11: down to a few years of just absolute drug abuse

1446
01:10:26,933 --> 01:10:29,213
Speaker 11: and you know, alone without anyone else. You're not doing

1447
01:10:29,213 --> 01:10:30,652
Speaker 11: it to fit them with anyone, You're doing it for

1448
01:10:30,692 --> 01:10:34,732
Speaker 11: no reason whatsoever. And I've seen now is the time

1449
01:10:34,772 --> 01:10:42,133
Speaker 11: has progressed and these these are these group sets got

1450
01:10:42,173 --> 01:10:45,612
Speaker 11: them more prevalent and sort of more open to anyone

1451
01:10:45,652 --> 01:10:47,772
Speaker 11: being able to take part in them. I've seen that

1452
01:10:47,893 --> 01:10:53,173
Speaker 11: the it's almost a trend of younger people getting into

1453
01:10:53,253 --> 01:10:56,812
Speaker 11: harder drugs. They have no idea the risks, they have

1454
01:10:56,853 --> 01:10:59,173
Speaker 11: no idea the danger of the people that are getting

1455
01:10:59,173 --> 01:11:01,652
Speaker 11: them from that. They don't understand what they're doing, but

1456
01:11:01,772 --> 01:11:05,013
Speaker 11: they are doing. You're going out of their way to

1457
01:11:05,093 --> 01:11:09,132
Speaker 11: put themselves in these positions of absolute dangers from drugs

1458
01:11:09,173 --> 01:11:13,612
Speaker 11: to take them that will most likely walk their brain

1459
01:11:13,732 --> 01:11:17,572
Speaker 11: and the developmental stage that they're in. And they'll be

1460
01:11:17,612 --> 01:11:19,013
Speaker 11: doing it just to fit in with a group of

1461
01:11:19,013 --> 01:11:20,572
Speaker 11: friends so they can hang out on a Friday night

1462
01:11:20,612 --> 01:11:21,372
Speaker 11: or a Saturday night.

1463
01:11:21,412 --> 01:11:21,572
Speaker 7: You know.

1464
01:11:21,772 --> 01:11:25,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, fascinating. Steve, thank you very much for giving

1465
01:11:25,213 --> 01:11:27,732
Speaker 3: us a call. Well one hundred eighty ten eighty. If

1466
01:11:27,732 --> 01:11:30,692
Speaker 3: you're being in that world as well as Steve Wrights

1467
01:11:30,732 --> 01:11:33,133
Speaker 3: back for shortly It is fourteen to three.

1468
01:11:33,612 --> 01:11:36,893
Speaker 2: The big stories, the big issues, to the big trends

1469
01:11:36,933 --> 01:11:38,333
Speaker 2: and everything in between.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

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01:11:41,452 --> 01:11:44,253
Speaker 3: They'd be very good afternoon, dude, twelve to three. How

1472
01:11:44,293 --> 01:11:46,293
Speaker 3: easy is it to get drugs in New Zealand?

1473
01:11:46,333 --> 01:11:46,612
Speaker 7: Greg?

1474
01:11:46,692 --> 01:11:47,133
Speaker 4: How are you?

1475
01:11:48,133 --> 01:11:49,652
Speaker 7: Hey? Good? I'm good, guys.

1476
01:11:49,812 --> 01:11:53,452
Speaker 18: Hey, how easy is it to get drugs in New Zealand?

1477
01:11:53,492 --> 01:11:56,572
Speaker 18: Pretty damn easy, really, isn't it? Yeah?

1478
01:11:57,013 --> 01:11:59,293
Speaker 3: And that is that a terrible thing for our country?

1479
01:11:59,452 --> 01:12:01,133
Speaker 7: Greek not not someone.

1480
01:12:01,253 --> 01:12:04,093
Speaker 18: Well, I'm not a big fan of I mean, I've

1481
01:12:04,173 --> 01:12:06,013
Speaker 18: taken drugs, you know, I'm not a big fan of

1482
01:12:06,053 --> 01:12:08,333
Speaker 18: hard drugs. You know, like, don't if you're listening, don't

1483
01:12:08,372 --> 01:12:08,772
Speaker 18: waste your.

1484
01:12:08,732 --> 01:12:09,452
Speaker 11: Life on drugs.

1485
01:12:09,452 --> 01:12:13,053
Speaker 18: There's way more better things to do. But in saying that,

1486
01:12:13,173 --> 01:12:16,093
Speaker 18: I did take some drugs this morning, some coding, but

1487
01:12:16,173 --> 01:12:18,773
Speaker 18: I didn't enjoy it at all. So it's totally Legit.

1488
01:12:19,973 --> 01:12:20,692
Speaker 4: Can go either way.

1489
01:12:20,732 --> 01:12:22,412
Speaker 3: There's stuff, but look.

1490
01:12:23,093 --> 01:12:25,612
Speaker 18: I just think, Look, prohibition isn't working. We've got to

1491
01:12:25,652 --> 01:12:30,333
Speaker 18: we've got to think differently, you know, like, yeah, I

1492
01:12:30,372 --> 01:12:33,892
Speaker 18: mean it's just everywhere, you know, especially mess you know,

1493
01:12:34,013 --> 01:12:38,333
Speaker 18: it's just it's madness. You know, the amount of people

1494
01:12:38,333 --> 01:12:41,612
Speaker 18: that you see, you know, and the availability of it.

1495
01:12:42,173 --> 01:12:45,293
Speaker 4: Is there any ever a situation and I've never seen

1496
01:12:45,333 --> 01:12:47,172
Speaker 4: it where meth has led to a positive outcome.

1497
01:12:48,772 --> 01:12:52,133
Speaker 18: Well look, you know, anthetamines do have legitimate uses. I've

1498
01:12:52,173 --> 01:12:54,333
Speaker 18: been on meat of mine and they give that to

1499
01:12:54,412 --> 01:12:59,772
Speaker 18: you for weight loss. That's just anphetamine. I know, you

1500
01:12:59,812 --> 01:13:02,933
Speaker 18: know that there are other legitimate uses, but you know,

1501
01:13:03,133 --> 01:13:03,652
Speaker 18: very few.

1502
01:13:05,253 --> 01:13:07,133
Speaker 4: It just seems it just seems like when from from

1503
01:13:07,173 --> 01:13:09,333
Speaker 4: the start of being involved in myth and feed I mean,

1504
01:13:09,452 --> 01:13:12,053
Speaker 4: and I think you know with this talk that cocaine is.

1505
01:13:12,772 --> 01:13:14,253
Speaker 4: You know, we had a call it before said it's

1506
01:13:14,372 --> 01:13:17,733
Speaker 4: kind of seen as a classy drug. But methian fetamine

1507
01:13:18,253 --> 01:13:22,612
Speaker 4: seems to be to me as a commitment towards sort

1508
01:13:22,612 --> 01:13:27,372
Speaker 4: of it's it's very isolating, it's a commitment towards something

1509
01:13:27,412 --> 01:13:31,972
Speaker 4: of it down and dirty, and you know, there doesn't

1510
01:13:31,973 --> 01:13:34,612
Speaker 4: seem there's nothing in it that seems to be I'm

1511
01:13:34,652 --> 01:13:36,532
Speaker 4: pushing my life forward in a positive direction.

1512
01:13:37,812 --> 01:13:41,173
Speaker 18: Well exactly, I mean, you know, think about it. You

1513
01:13:41,173 --> 01:13:46,572
Speaker 18: know we've got you know, gangsters in the bush and

1514
01:13:46,933 --> 01:13:52,252
Speaker 18: Mexico making it with diesel and you know, other raw materials.

1515
01:13:52,253 --> 01:13:54,452
Speaker 18: I mean, you're not getting a good product, You're just

1516
01:13:54,452 --> 01:13:55,212
Speaker 18: getting poison.

1517
01:13:56,492 --> 01:13:58,532
Speaker 3: That's part of the problem, isn't it, Greg Worth? And

1518
01:13:58,612 --> 01:14:00,492
Speaker 3: I look, I don't know the answer. But when you

1519
01:14:00,572 --> 01:14:03,452
Speaker 3: have the illicit drug trade, they're putting all sorts of

1520
01:14:03,452 --> 01:14:05,812
Speaker 3: crap in these products that are going to you know,

1521
01:14:05,893 --> 01:14:08,293
Speaker 3: sometimes kids and other people, and you've got god knows

1522
01:14:08,412 --> 01:14:13,173
Speaker 3: what's in that. And that argument is with with legalizing

1523
01:14:13,572 --> 01:14:16,173
Speaker 3: that you have more control over what is in those

1524
01:14:16,173 --> 01:14:19,652
Speaker 3: particular products. But it's a difficult conversation because to me,

1525
01:14:19,692 --> 01:14:21,932
Speaker 3: I don't just want to have a carte blanche everybody

1526
01:14:21,973 --> 01:14:24,492
Speaker 3: go go hard on drugs. So I mean, what do

1527
01:14:24,572 --> 01:14:25,852
Speaker 3: you what do you think the answer is there?

1528
01:14:27,893 --> 01:14:30,892
Speaker 18: Yeah, I think legalizing is a step too far. I

1529
01:14:30,933 --> 01:14:33,612
Speaker 18: think for a lot of these drugs we may look

1530
01:14:33,612 --> 01:14:35,732
Speaker 18: at decriminalizing, but legalizing is not.

1531
01:14:35,933 --> 01:14:38,133
Speaker 4: You don't you don't want people putting, you don't want

1532
01:14:38,133 --> 01:14:42,612
Speaker 4: people advertising, and you know, corporate incentives to get more

1533
01:14:42,612 --> 01:14:48,173
Speaker 4: people onto them. You know that complete legalization seems like

1534
01:14:48,213 --> 01:14:49,532
Speaker 4: an absolute disaster to me.

1535
01:14:50,293 --> 01:14:52,972
Speaker 18: Yeah, and look, look just think about this for a minute,

1536
01:14:52,973 --> 01:14:57,732
Speaker 18: and this isn't isn't advocating legalizing methanectamy when when when

1537
01:14:58,253 --> 01:15:03,612
Speaker 18: caffeine first came to Europe, it was considered because caffeine

1538
01:15:03,692 --> 01:15:06,732
Speaker 18: is a stimulant. It's just it's just a more mild

1539
01:15:06,732 --> 01:15:07,652
Speaker 18: stimulant than methane.

1540
01:15:07,692 --> 01:15:12,093
Speaker 3: Vietnams right now, Greg, he's smashing it.

1541
01:15:12,093 --> 01:15:15,812
Speaker 18: It was considered the work of the devil because because

1542
01:15:15,893 --> 01:15:19,492
Speaker 18: religious about yeah, they were drinking it to stay up

1543
01:15:19,492 --> 01:15:21,452
Speaker 18: all night to pray. It was considered the work of

1544
01:15:21,492 --> 01:15:23,333
Speaker 18: the devil. So look, in a hundred years time, we

1545
01:15:23,412 --> 01:15:26,053
Speaker 18: might we might be totally enlightened and we might think

1546
01:15:26,093 --> 01:15:27,692
Speaker 18: of it differently. But hey, I want to give a

1547
01:15:27,732 --> 01:15:31,613
Speaker 18: shout out to drugs for defeating the war on drugs.

1548
01:15:32,173 --> 01:15:35,133
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, I mean drugs won at the moment.

1549
01:15:35,213 --> 01:15:37,173
Speaker 4: At the moment, drugs are winning the war on drugs

1550
01:15:37,372 --> 01:15:39,053
Speaker 4: and that and that is sort of the problem when

1551
01:15:39,093 --> 01:15:42,252
Speaker 4: you when you read these stats and they are shocking,

1552
01:15:42,772 --> 01:15:44,892
Speaker 4: and you read the amount of different ways of getting

1553
01:15:44,893 --> 01:15:46,492
Speaker 4: out there, and how easy it is to get hold

1554
01:15:46,492 --> 01:15:48,333
Speaker 4: of them despite all the money we've spent on trying

1555
01:15:48,333 --> 01:15:50,732
Speaker 4: to stop it and continue to do, and how easy

1556
01:15:50,732 --> 01:15:52,772
Speaker 4: it is to get them. Now, then you've got to

1557
01:15:52,812 --> 01:15:54,772
Speaker 4: say drugs are currently winning the war on drugs.

1558
01:15:54,893 --> 01:15:57,293
Speaker 3: Yep, nicely said right back shortly. It is seven to.

1559
01:15:57,253 --> 01:16:01,933
Speaker 1: Three the issues that affect you, and a bit of

1560
01:16:01,973 --> 01:16:05,253
Speaker 1: fun along the way. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons

1561
01:16:05,492 --> 01:16:06,572
Speaker 1: news talks'd be.

1562
01:16:07,732 --> 01:16:10,492
Speaker 3: News Talk ZB. We have been talking about the amount

1563
01:16:10,532 --> 01:16:12,852
Speaker 3: of drugs getting into the country despite the best efforts

1564
01:16:12,853 --> 01:16:17,013
Speaker 3: of border control. Quick text here, Koday, guys. To know

1565
01:16:17,053 --> 01:16:18,812
Speaker 3: the effects of drugs, just look at the life of

1566
01:16:18,812 --> 01:16:22,293
Speaker 3: Brian Ka, the College Idaho murder. Started marijuana at thirteen

1567
01:16:22,333 --> 01:16:23,293
Speaker 3: and then onto cocaine.

1568
01:16:23,293 --> 01:16:25,572
Speaker 4: It destroyed him. That might have been a one off

1569
01:16:25,572 --> 01:16:26,933
Speaker 4: of that particular individual.

1570
01:16:27,853 --> 01:16:30,812
Speaker 3: And this one full epidemic, the uniqu kids, the edibles,

1571
01:16:30,853 --> 01:16:34,333
Speaker 3: the ketamine, it's everywhere. Police needs some high profile arrest

1572
01:16:34,412 --> 01:16:37,053
Speaker 3: to reinforce how illegal it is and a rest a

1573
01:16:37,053 --> 01:16:40,692
Speaker 3: few law students. It will pull things back fast. So

1574
01:16:40,853 --> 01:16:41,933
Speaker 3: interesting texts.

1575
01:16:42,372 --> 01:16:46,973
Speaker 4: Yeah, So from this hour we can see that technology

1576
01:16:46,973 --> 01:16:52,692
Speaker 4: and manufacturing and technology in technological advancements in manufacturing and

1577
01:16:52,732 --> 01:16:55,692
Speaker 4: distribution and are making class as drugs easier than ever

1578
01:16:55,772 --> 01:16:58,492
Speaker 4: to get. Yep, it's so easy to get. Hmm. Everyone's

1579
01:16:58,492 --> 01:17:00,093
Speaker 4: been ringing up and saying you get it, just like that.

1580
01:17:00,933 --> 01:17:03,652
Speaker 4: So much is coming in no matter how much how big,

1581
01:17:03,692 --> 01:17:07,253
Speaker 4: these record butts are, just more comes in. Let's just

1582
01:17:07,253 --> 01:17:09,972
Speaker 4: whack them hole. They just blooding the market. And now

1583
01:17:10,732 --> 01:17:13,293
Speaker 4: you know, according to some callers, it's completely socially acceptable.

1584
01:17:13,812 --> 01:17:16,173
Speaker 4: So what do you do? Yeah, I mean I don't

1585
01:17:16,173 --> 01:17:18,492
Speaker 4: have a solution. No, I mean, if you really wanted

1586
01:17:18,532 --> 01:17:22,293
Speaker 4: to stop it, you're banning around the death penalty. I

1587
01:17:22,452 --> 01:17:24,052
Speaker 4: think there'd be a lot of support for that. Yeah.

1588
01:17:24,173 --> 01:17:27,612
Speaker 3: Look, fascinating discussion and fascinating the number of people calling

1589
01:17:27,692 --> 01:17:29,412
Speaker 3: up to say, now I have to tell us how

1590
01:17:29,412 --> 01:17:32,093
Speaker 3: easy it is, and who knows what the old border

1591
01:17:32,133 --> 01:17:32,892
Speaker 3: control we're going to do.

1592
01:17:33,093 --> 01:17:35,852
Speaker 4: I think this is an important text here. Meth strips

1593
01:17:35,933 --> 01:17:37,012
Speaker 4: layers off your soul.

1594
01:17:37,572 --> 01:17:41,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, very well, put right coming up after three o'clock.

1595
01:17:41,532 --> 01:17:44,372
Speaker 3: When it comes to downsizing, earlier could be better. We'll

1596
01:17:44,372 --> 01:17:45,852
Speaker 3: tell you more about that very shortly.

1597
01:17:45,973 --> 01:17:52,572
Speaker 4: News is next, big stories, the leak issues, the big

1598
01:17:52,652 --> 01:17:54,772
Speaker 4: trends and everything in between.

1599
01:17:55,173 --> 01:17:58,892
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons News Talk said.

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01:17:58,692 --> 01:18:02,012
Speaker 3: Me, very good afternoon to you. Welcome back into the show.

1601
01:18:02,013 --> 01:18:04,572
Speaker 3: It is six past three. Great to have your company.

1602
01:18:04,652 --> 01:18:07,692
Speaker 3: Let's have a chat about downsizing. That is your home

1603
01:18:07,772 --> 01:18:09,892
Speaker 3: of course so. An article in the Herald right Now,

1604
01:18:09,893 --> 01:18:13,812
Speaker 3: written by Hannah McQueen, well known in finance circles, says

1605
01:18:13,933 --> 01:18:16,532
Speaker 3: that downsizing your home can obviously help fund retirement, but

1606
01:18:16,572 --> 01:18:19,892
Speaker 3: it works best if you do it earlier rather than later.

1607
01:18:20,013 --> 01:18:23,452
Speaker 3: She says moving sooner can free up cash while giving

1608
01:18:23,492 --> 01:18:27,253
Speaker 3: you more flexibility to adjust your lifestyle and investments, whereas

1609
01:18:27,293 --> 01:18:31,172
Speaker 3: waiting too long, she argues, often means smaller financial gains

1610
01:18:31,452 --> 01:18:34,892
Speaker 3: and fewer options. She stresses that downsizing shouldn't be relied

1611
01:18:34,893 --> 01:18:37,932
Speaker 3: on as a sole strategy. It's most effective as part

1612
01:18:38,053 --> 01:18:42,133
Speaker 3: of a broader retirement plan. Fascinating article. But want to

1613
01:18:42,133 --> 01:18:43,853
Speaker 3: have a chat to you about downsizing?

1614
01:18:44,692 --> 01:18:47,932
Speaker 4: Cowardly? Cobag or go home?

1615
01:18:49,612 --> 01:18:49,652
Speaker 7: No?

1616
01:18:50,053 --> 01:18:51,973
Speaker 4: I guess what I'd say is that downsizing isn't just

1617
01:18:51,973 --> 01:18:55,052
Speaker 4: a financial thing. Right, So, as soon as your kids

1618
01:18:55,452 --> 01:18:57,693
Speaker 4: just you drop them off the airport to go to university,

1619
01:18:58,053 --> 01:19:02,452
Speaker 4: you downsize, Then how do you deal with them coming home?

1620
01:19:02,612 --> 01:19:02,852
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1621
01:19:02,893 --> 01:19:04,452
Speaker 4: Don't you need to keep rooms for your kids to

1622
01:19:04,452 --> 01:19:05,852
Speaker 4: come and visit? And then don't you need to keep

1623
01:19:05,853 --> 01:19:08,572
Speaker 4: a bigger house if you can? For Christmas?

1624
01:19:08,772 --> 01:19:09,012
Speaker 7: Yep?

1625
01:19:09,213 --> 01:19:11,732
Speaker 4: Is anyone going to visit your your one beddroom apartment

1626
01:19:11,933 --> 01:19:13,732
Speaker 4: that is as you put the money aside, yep, the

1627
01:19:13,732 --> 01:19:16,132
Speaker 4: grandkids as well. You have a case for the grandkids.

1628
01:19:16,173 --> 01:19:17,372
Speaker 3: You want a bit of a lawn that they can

1629
01:19:17,372 --> 01:19:18,612
Speaker 3: play with with your new toys.

1630
01:19:18,772 --> 01:19:19,052
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1631
01:19:19,253 --> 01:19:21,213
Speaker 3: Isn't that part of the why you keep that bigger

1632
01:19:21,253 --> 01:19:23,412
Speaker 3: house rather than just waiting for the retirement so you

1633
01:19:23,452 --> 01:19:24,093
Speaker 3: can cash it.

1634
01:19:24,213 --> 01:19:27,213
Speaker 4: I guess that's the age old debate between whether your

1635
01:19:27,213 --> 01:19:30,253
Speaker 4: house is just a financial asset or not, because I

1636
01:19:30,253 --> 01:19:33,133
Speaker 4: don't look at my house, my new house at the

1637
01:19:33,133 --> 01:19:35,772
Speaker 4: moment yep, as a financial asset at this point, although

1638
01:19:35,973 --> 01:19:38,253
Speaker 4: you know some of the decisions around it, like do

1639
01:19:38,333 --> 01:19:40,173
Speaker 4: that and do that because it will increase its value,

1640
01:19:40,293 --> 01:19:41,412
Speaker 4: and people say that to me all the time, but

1641
01:19:41,452 --> 01:19:43,652
Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't want to sell it. I want

1642
01:19:43,692 --> 01:19:46,213
Speaker 4: to keep it. Yeah. So there's two ways you can

1643
01:19:46,253 --> 01:19:48,213
Speaker 4: look at a house. It's a financial asset or it's

1644
01:19:48,372 --> 01:19:53,213
Speaker 4: a hub for family activities, you know, going forward.

1645
01:19:52,933 --> 01:19:56,412
Speaker 3: Where you've got your son back from university at the moment,

1646
01:19:56,452 --> 01:19:58,173
Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's part and part of it, right,

1647
01:19:58,213 --> 01:20:01,772
Speaker 3: that you've got that house and you've got I assume

1648
01:20:01,772 --> 01:20:03,572
Speaker 3: a room for him to go when he comes back,

1649
01:20:03,772 --> 01:20:05,892
Speaker 3: Charlie's room yep. So if you moved into a little

1650
01:20:05,893 --> 01:20:08,652
Speaker 3: one bedroom apartment in the middle of Auckland's So where

1651
01:20:08,652 --> 01:20:12,933
Speaker 3: does Charlie go then to catch up with them at cafes?

1652
01:20:13,933 --> 01:20:17,532
Speaker 4: Exactly? But I mean maybe they gets a point where

1653
01:20:17,853 --> 01:20:20,572
Speaker 4: you know you just need the money. But yeah, I

1654
01:20:20,572 --> 01:20:22,452
Speaker 4: mean there's lots of things to consider with property, isn't.

1655
01:20:22,293 --> 01:20:22,973
Speaker 18: There there is?

1656
01:20:23,053 --> 01:20:23,293
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1657
01:20:23,333 --> 01:20:25,012
Speaker 3: So can you hear from you? I wait one hundred

1658
01:20:25,013 --> 01:20:27,973
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty when it comes to downsizing, do

1659
01:20:28,013 --> 01:20:30,973
Speaker 3: you think you left it too late? And what you

1660
01:20:30,973 --> 01:20:32,293
Speaker 3: thought you would get in terms of a bit of

1661
01:20:32,333 --> 01:20:35,412
Speaker 3: anistic for your retirement wasn't as much as you originally thought.

1662
01:20:35,492 --> 01:20:37,412
Speaker 4: Nine two nine two is of text you're really selling

1663
01:20:37,933 --> 01:20:40,412
Speaker 4: You're really really selling it to me on downsizing, says

1664
01:20:40,452 --> 01:20:42,732
Speaker 4: this text, I would love if nobody visited me on Christmas.

1665
01:20:42,772 --> 01:20:44,892
Speaker 4: So I definitely should be downslizing something to a smaller

1666
01:20:44,933 --> 01:20:47,532
Speaker 4: so that no one will visit me. You, I don't

1667
01:20:47,532 --> 01:20:50,013
Speaker 4: have to host Christmas. You see where that's different things?

1668
01:20:50,093 --> 01:20:51,852
Speaker 3: Right, there's a couple of wins there for that person.

1669
01:20:51,933 --> 01:20:54,572
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you might move into a cupboard, lock the door.

1670
01:20:55,333 --> 01:20:59,452
Speaker 3: Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call? Really,

1671
01:20:59,532 --> 01:21:02,293
Speaker 3: Keen to hear your story. If you're downsize, when was

1672
01:21:02,333 --> 01:21:04,173
Speaker 3: the right time to do it for you? And coming

1673
01:21:04,253 --> 01:21:05,973
Speaker 3: up next, we are going to have a chat with

1674
01:21:06,013 --> 01:21:09,692
Speaker 3: Hannah McQueen, the founder and director of Age Rightly back

1675
01:21:09,853 --> 01:21:13,452
Speaker 3: very shortly. It is ten past three us talks. It'd

1676
01:21:13,492 --> 01:21:16,652
Speaker 3: be there's twelve past three and we are talking about

1677
01:21:16,692 --> 01:21:19,852
Speaker 3: downsize and it's based on an article written by Hannah McQueen,

1678
01:21:19,933 --> 01:21:22,892
Speaker 3: the director and founder of Age Brightly and she joins

1679
01:21:22,973 --> 01:21:24,933
Speaker 3: us now, Hannah, very good afternoon to you.

1680
01:21:25,853 --> 01:21:30,132
Speaker 4: I dare when is the best time to downsize? Hannah?

1681
01:21:30,372 --> 01:21:33,772
Speaker 19: Normally before you want to. If I'm being honest, I

1682
01:21:33,772 --> 01:21:36,933
Speaker 19: think we tend to leave it quite late for a

1683
01:21:36,973 --> 01:21:40,253
Speaker 19: lot of reasons. It's the pain is probably traumatic for some.

1684
01:21:41,213 --> 01:21:42,852
Speaker 19: Why would you want to do it sooner? Well, the

1685
01:21:42,893 --> 01:21:44,852
Speaker 19: reason you want to do it sooner is most of

1686
01:21:44,933 --> 01:21:49,253
Speaker 19: us need to actually get that downsize financial equation to work,

1687
01:21:49,612 --> 01:21:52,052
Speaker 19: and when you leave that too late, the opposite working

1688
01:21:52,732 --> 01:21:53,492
Speaker 19: don't pan out.

1689
01:21:53,893 --> 01:21:56,253
Speaker 4: Are people realistic about how much money they will make

1690
01:21:56,293 --> 01:21:58,133
Speaker 4: from their downsize.

1691
01:21:57,532 --> 01:22:01,173
Speaker 19: Hannah, No, my experiences, we tend to overstate what we

1692
01:22:01,213 --> 01:22:03,893
Speaker 19: get for our home and understate what we're going to

1693
01:22:03,933 --> 01:22:07,772
Speaker 19: pay for the next home, and some of the reasons

1694
01:22:07,772 --> 01:22:10,213
Speaker 19: for that is often the home you're leaving, like it

1695
01:22:10,293 --> 01:22:12,852
Speaker 19: might be a large family home on a big section,

1696
01:22:13,572 --> 01:22:16,852
Speaker 19: but the people who can afford that property that the

1697
01:22:16,853 --> 01:22:19,452
Speaker 19: market of those people is smaller than the market you're

1698
01:22:19,492 --> 01:22:21,492
Speaker 19: moving to. So you can feel like you're giving up

1699
01:22:21,532 --> 01:22:24,453
Speaker 19: a lot, right, maybe moving from that to a townhouse

1700
01:22:24,532 --> 01:22:26,932
Speaker 19: or a three bedroom with it, you know, a teeny

1701
01:22:26,973 --> 01:22:31,213
Speaker 19: tie section. The sacrifice is monumental, but the financial gain

1702
01:22:31,412 --> 01:22:35,572
Speaker 19: doesn't usually mirror what you're given up. So and you're

1703
01:22:35,572 --> 01:22:37,973
Speaker 19: also moving to a market that is fuller, so more

1704
01:22:38,013 --> 01:22:39,893
Speaker 19: people in it, which is pushing the price up for

1705
01:22:39,973 --> 01:22:40,893
Speaker 19: what you're paying.

1706
01:22:40,652 --> 01:22:41,293
Speaker 11: For as well.

1707
01:22:41,532 --> 01:22:45,773
Speaker 4: Interesting, So how much should people depend on the downsize

1708
01:22:46,053 --> 01:22:47,372
Speaker 4: for their retirement?

1709
01:22:49,173 --> 01:22:53,612
Speaker 19: Yeah, well that's I guess that's an individual question. Most

1710
01:22:53,692 --> 01:22:55,813
Speaker 19: Kiwis run out of money kind of in their seventies,

1711
01:22:55,893 --> 01:22:58,452
Speaker 19: right like they had Kiwi say that the eggs out

1712
01:22:58,452 --> 01:23:02,213
Speaker 19: a little bit and then the well is dry, and

1713
01:23:03,053 --> 01:23:04,932
Speaker 19: so then they have to try and live on the pension,

1714
01:23:05,013 --> 01:23:08,173
Speaker 19: which is tricky. It's possible, but it's tricky and for me,

1715
01:23:08,412 --> 01:23:11,532
Speaker 19: I would think kind of odd. So then you go

1716
01:23:11,572 --> 01:23:13,093
Speaker 19: to where's the money going to come from? Well, it

1717
01:23:13,133 --> 01:23:15,733
Speaker 19: needs to come from your home unless you've got other assets.

1718
01:23:16,213 --> 01:23:17,892
Speaker 19: So you've got to sell your home or you've got

1719
01:23:17,893 --> 01:23:21,133
Speaker 19: to get a reverse mortgage. Both of those have problems,

1720
01:23:21,333 --> 01:23:24,052
Speaker 19: risks attached to it. How do you manage that? Well,

1721
01:23:24,532 --> 01:23:27,572
Speaker 19: if you need, like what's the pension twenty five grand

1722
01:23:27,572 --> 01:23:30,612
Speaker 19: a year, so you're a couple, that's fifty grand. Both

1723
01:23:30,772 --> 01:23:33,452
Speaker 19: people kind of want to have a little bit more

1724
01:23:33,452 --> 01:23:35,852
Speaker 19: than that. So even if that's another twenty grand a

1725
01:23:35,933 --> 01:23:38,692
Speaker 19: year that you need to get from somewhere. Well, if

1726
01:23:38,692 --> 01:23:41,532
Speaker 19: you're seventy, we need to fund your retirement until ninety

1727
01:23:42,053 --> 01:23:44,772
Speaker 19: twenty grand a year. What if we got we've got

1728
01:23:44,772 --> 01:23:48,133
Speaker 19: twenty years, that's four hundred grand we need from downsizing.

1729
01:23:48,652 --> 01:23:51,293
Speaker 19: I think that's the equation. Well, you've got to play

1730
01:23:51,333 --> 01:23:53,333
Speaker 19: that trump card well if you're going to play it,

1731
01:23:53,412 --> 01:23:56,173
Speaker 19: but most people don't play it well. And it's oh

1732
01:23:56,293 --> 01:23:58,572
Speaker 19: nothing worse than someone who doesn't play the trump card

1733
01:23:58,612 --> 01:24:00,853
Speaker 19: at the right side, right, Yeah.

1734
01:24:00,412 --> 01:24:01,892
Speaker 3: I mean it must be hard for people when they

1735
01:24:01,893 --> 01:24:04,213
Speaker 3: reach retirement or even into their seventies and they want

1736
01:24:04,213 --> 01:24:06,692
Speaker 3: to downsize, but to give up what they've had for

1737
01:24:06,772 --> 01:24:08,933
Speaker 3: a long time, and maybe they want to downsize to

1738
01:24:08,933 --> 01:24:10,652
Speaker 3: a new build then they're going to give up all

1739
01:24:10,652 --> 01:24:13,692
Speaker 3: their possessions that they've spent a lifetime acquiring. So they

1740
01:24:13,692 --> 01:24:15,812
Speaker 3: are all difficult decisions, right, I imagine for a lot

1741
01:24:15,812 --> 01:24:17,652
Speaker 3: of people. Yes, they're looking at how much money they

1742
01:24:17,692 --> 01:24:20,333
Speaker 3: need for retirement, but also they don't want to have

1743
01:24:20,532 --> 01:24:21,852
Speaker 3: a downgrade in their lifestyle.

1744
01:24:23,173 --> 01:24:27,053
Speaker 19: Yeah, that's right. It's a difficult process to go through.

1745
01:24:27,093 --> 01:24:29,772
Speaker 19: It's normally quite exhausting. You normally have to shed about

1746
01:24:29,853 --> 01:24:32,812
Speaker 19: seventy percent of your possessions that you have worked really

1747
01:24:32,853 --> 01:24:35,892
Speaker 19: hard to build. So the emotional side of it isn't

1748
01:24:35,973 --> 01:24:39,372
Speaker 19: lost on me. But the reason why you downsized earlier

1749
01:24:39,452 --> 01:24:42,012
Speaker 19: is so that you can maintain the lifestyle that you want.

1750
01:24:42,732 --> 01:24:46,212
Speaker 19: What happens when you downsized later is often it's forced

1751
01:24:46,492 --> 01:24:49,172
Speaker 19: on you. And so that means someone has a fall,

1752
01:24:49,532 --> 01:24:51,532
Speaker 19: they go into hospital, and then they need to be

1753
01:24:51,532 --> 01:24:53,372
Speaker 19: in a rest home. Well, you don't have money to

1754
01:24:53,532 --> 01:24:55,933
Speaker 19: buy them a care bed, so you've got to downsize

1755
01:24:55,933 --> 01:25:00,652
Speaker 19: the home. That happens so often, and you're making these

1756
01:25:00,652 --> 01:25:06,452
Speaker 19: sort of flurry of decisions amongst huge emotional stress, and

1757
01:25:06,492 --> 01:25:08,772
Speaker 19: that's when you have to drop your pants and people

1758
01:25:08,812 --> 01:25:11,372
Speaker 19: take advantage of that. So the impact is if we

1759
01:25:11,412 --> 01:25:14,572
Speaker 19: don't do it sooner or earlier. You're not in control

1760
01:25:14,652 --> 01:25:17,093
Speaker 19: of that process. And if you want to invest in

1761
01:25:17,133 --> 01:25:19,572
Speaker 19: your health so that you stay out of hospital in

1762
01:25:19,572 --> 01:25:22,732
Speaker 19: the first place, that also takes the money that the

1763
01:25:22,772 --> 01:25:25,333
Speaker 19: pension is unlikely to forge you.

1764
01:25:25,812 --> 01:25:28,293
Speaker 4: It's a bit of a catch twenty twenty catch twenty

1765
01:25:28,293 --> 01:25:30,412
Speaker 4: two situations when it comes to grandkids and stuff.

1766
01:25:30,452 --> 01:25:30,612
Speaker 13: Though.

1767
01:25:30,652 --> 01:25:32,772
Speaker 4: I mentioned because you want to have you have this

1768
01:25:32,973 --> 01:25:36,213
Speaker 4: view of your house as you're paying it off, and

1769
01:25:36,253 --> 01:25:41,093
Speaker 4: you imagine kids coming home with their kids, Christmases in

1770
01:25:41,133 --> 01:25:43,532
Speaker 4: the house, people playing on the lawn, lovely all that

1771
01:25:43,572 --> 01:25:46,492
Speaker 4: kind of stuff, so very hard to go. This is

1772
01:25:46,572 --> 01:25:49,692
Speaker 4: the financially best time to do it, as opposed to

1773
01:25:49,732 --> 01:25:53,572
Speaker 4: this as the emotionally and best family time to do it.

1774
01:25:53,572 --> 01:25:54,773
Speaker 4: If you see what I'm saying.

1775
01:25:55,372 --> 01:25:58,972
Speaker 19: Absolutely the two ever meet right, Like, the best time

1776
01:25:59,013 --> 01:26:01,812
Speaker 19: to actually downsize your home from a financial perspective is

1777
01:26:01,812 --> 01:26:04,732
Speaker 19: probably when the kids move out, and I get we've

1778
01:26:04,732 --> 01:26:07,732
Speaker 19: got the romance of them coming back for Christmas and

1779
01:26:07,772 --> 01:26:10,053
Speaker 19: all of that for one or two times a year

1780
01:26:10,253 --> 01:26:13,852
Speaker 19: for some people locking up all that capital. To be honest,

1781
01:26:13,893 --> 01:26:17,293
Speaker 19: it's normally normally experience anyway.

1782
01:26:17,692 --> 01:26:19,972
Speaker 4: We have the romance of when you're sitting at home

1783
01:26:20,093 --> 01:26:22,492
Speaker 4: by yourself at Christmas and they've gone to the other

1784
01:26:23,053 --> 01:26:24,572
Speaker 4: the other side of the family's house.

1785
01:26:26,053 --> 01:26:28,492
Speaker 19: Yeah, and a lot of people can't even keep up

1786
01:26:28,532 --> 01:26:31,092
Speaker 19: with the maintenance on the house, right like it actually

1787
01:26:31,173 --> 01:26:33,452
Speaker 19: is too big a deal. And then the family come

1788
01:26:33,452 --> 01:26:36,812
Speaker 19: and it's a working bee every time. It's I think

1789
01:26:36,812 --> 01:26:39,372
Speaker 19: that there are a lot of emotions. You know, even

1790
01:26:39,412 --> 01:26:42,372
Speaker 19: the kids might have the romance of keeping the family

1791
01:26:42,412 --> 01:26:46,732
Speaker 19: home around. Why would you downsize? That seems crazy, Well,

1792
01:26:46,772 --> 01:26:49,132
Speaker 19: you're doing it because there's a risk that the decision

1793
01:26:49,173 --> 01:26:51,372
Speaker 19: is going to be taken away from you. But when

1794
01:26:51,612 --> 01:26:55,293
Speaker 19: I did work around people who enter rest homes, you know,

1795
01:26:55,333 --> 01:26:58,213
Speaker 19: so that's when you kind of that's not independent living.

1796
01:26:58,253 --> 01:26:59,973
Speaker 19: That's when you need a nurse to look after you.

1797
01:27:00,612 --> 01:27:03,452
Speaker 19: Seventy percent of people who arrived at the rest home

1798
01:27:03,933 --> 01:27:07,852
Speaker 19: weren't expecting to be there only two weeks before. Oh wow,

1799
01:27:08,333 --> 01:27:10,892
Speaker 19: I think had happened. And then it's like, oh, here

1800
01:27:10,933 --> 01:27:15,052
Speaker 19: we go, and we're trying to prevent that thing from happening.

1801
01:27:15,133 --> 01:27:18,532
Speaker 19: And sometimes the home is the risk to these people

1802
01:27:18,732 --> 01:27:21,253
Speaker 19: right back. If the home safety it's you know, if

1803
01:27:21,253 --> 01:27:24,732
Speaker 19: you've got two stories or or there's to say a

1804
01:27:24,732 --> 01:27:27,132
Speaker 19: lot of maintenance to be done well. That can create

1805
01:27:27,253 --> 01:27:31,573
Speaker 19: fall's risks for people. So you accidentally fall over maintaining

1806
01:27:31,572 --> 01:27:33,492
Speaker 19: the house that the family is supposed to come until

1807
01:27:33,492 --> 01:27:37,173
Speaker 19: on Christmas Day, and then you're in hospital, and then

1808
01:27:37,213 --> 01:27:41,013
Speaker 19: you're in a rest home. This is the grim reality.

1809
01:27:41,333 --> 01:27:44,133
Speaker 19: And if we come back to that home, you have

1810
01:27:44,213 --> 01:27:47,932
Speaker 19: spent your life paying off that mortgage, and good for you.

1811
01:27:48,532 --> 01:27:51,213
Speaker 19: Let's make sure the next twenty five years of retirement

1812
01:27:51,333 --> 01:27:54,652
Speaker 19: are good years. It upsets me when I see people

1813
01:27:54,732 --> 01:27:58,173
Speaker 19: that have this beautiful house but no money. They don't

1814
01:27:58,213 --> 01:28:00,213
Speaker 19: even are too scared to spend money, or they don't

1815
01:28:00,213 --> 01:28:01,692
Speaker 19: have liquidity to spend money.

1816
01:28:02,213 --> 01:28:03,253
Speaker 20: What's that all about.

1817
01:28:03,732 --> 01:28:05,572
Speaker 19: We've just got to get the balance a bit better.

1818
01:28:05,893 --> 01:28:08,213
Speaker 4: What we need to do is either take the whole

1819
01:28:08,772 --> 01:28:12,413
Speaker 4: view out of life or bring back the granny cottage.

1820
01:28:13,173 --> 01:28:15,893
Speaker 4: I think my kids need to put up a granddad

1821
01:28:15,893 --> 01:28:18,173
Speaker 4: cottage for me and the next thing.

1822
01:28:18,053 --> 01:28:19,892
Speaker 3: You're looking forward to that you've spoken about that before.

1823
01:28:19,973 --> 01:28:22,173
Speaker 4: They can start building. Now twenty years I mean, I

1824
01:28:22,213 --> 01:28:24,053
Speaker 4: mean I'm still at high school, but still they need

1825
01:28:24,053 --> 01:28:26,053
Speaker 4: to start going by. They need to think about me

1826
01:28:26,093 --> 01:28:26,893
Speaker 4: and my retirement.

1827
01:28:27,612 --> 01:28:31,532
Speaker 19: Yeah, yeah, that's when your kids can be an investment

1828
01:28:31,612 --> 01:28:33,452
Speaker 19: for you, right, they can actually give you a return,

1829
01:28:33,492 --> 01:28:35,012
Speaker 19: because at the moment it's the other way.

1830
01:28:34,893 --> 01:28:35,932
Speaker 11: That is straight.

1831
01:28:36,732 --> 01:28:39,892
Speaker 4: I've seen no return so far except for emotional returns.

1832
01:28:39,973 --> 01:28:42,612
Speaker 3: Yeah, you nicely said, Hey Hannah, great to catch up.

1833
01:28:42,652 --> 01:28:44,892
Speaker 3: Thank you very much. It's a great article and we

1834
01:28:44,933 --> 01:28:47,532
Speaker 3: will catch up again soon. That is Hannah McQueen. She

1835
01:28:47,772 --> 01:28:50,293
Speaker 3: is the founder and director of Age Brightly. You can

1836
01:28:50,333 --> 01:28:51,812
Speaker 3: ever read of that article on the hero but we've

1837
01:28:51,812 --> 01:28:54,372
Speaker 3: taken your calls. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty,

1838
01:28:54,492 --> 01:28:57,492
Speaker 3: So downsizing. Did you leave it too late or did

1839
01:28:57,532 --> 01:29:00,452
Speaker 3: you do what Hannah McQueen is suggesting and downsized as

1840
01:29:00,452 --> 01:29:02,692
Speaker 3: soon as the kids left home? Nine two ninety two

1841
01:29:02,893 --> 01:29:05,133
Speaker 3: is the text number. It is twenty past.

1842
01:29:05,093 --> 01:29:12,173
Speaker 1: Three Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call Oh eight

1843
01:29:12,293 --> 01:29:14,813
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk ZB.

1844
01:29:14,812 --> 01:29:18,492
Speaker 3: Twenty two past three. We're talking downsizing. When did you

1845
01:29:18,532 --> 01:29:20,612
Speaker 3: make the move to try and downsize? If ever, Oh,

1846
01:29:20,652 --> 01:29:22,572
Speaker 3: eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that number.

1847
01:29:22,333 --> 01:29:25,612
Speaker 4: To call the sixss Hey guys, mikey a great topic.

1848
01:29:25,692 --> 01:29:28,133
Speaker 4: I downsized my home two years ago, sold the boat

1849
01:29:28,213 --> 01:29:30,293
Speaker 4: and the Harley, bought a small, one bedroom pad with

1850
01:29:30,293 --> 01:29:33,173
Speaker 4: a garage and small garden, and I love it. Matt.

1851
01:29:33,652 --> 01:29:36,732
Speaker 4: You have to live for you and not for your kids,

1852
01:29:36,812 --> 01:29:41,173
Speaker 4: oh nicely said, hard to do. Yeah, hard to do. Penny,

1853
01:29:41,173 --> 01:29:41,772
Speaker 4: Welcome to the show.

1854
01:29:42,973 --> 01:29:44,173
Speaker 21: Yeah, Hi is that Matt?

1855
01:29:44,492 --> 01:29:44,732
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1856
01:29:44,812 --> 01:29:45,372
Speaker 4: And Tyler?

1857
01:29:45,973 --> 01:29:49,692
Speaker 22: Oh, Hi, Tyler, Matt and Tylers Hey, Penny, hi, Hey.

1858
01:29:49,772 --> 01:29:56,412
Speaker 22: Redownsized just on two years ago in May actually, and

1859
01:29:56,492 --> 01:30:00,053
Speaker 22: we built a brand new home two years ago, well

1860
01:30:00,093 --> 01:30:02,732
Speaker 22: four years ago, and then it all got too much

1861
01:30:02,853 --> 01:30:07,412
Speaker 22: and I decided what we decided. We bought a property

1862
01:30:08,333 --> 01:30:11,412
Speaker 22: I'm still in practon, but it ends up at two houses,

1863
01:30:11,452 --> 01:30:15,253
Speaker 22: but two two bedroom houses joined together. So then we

1864
01:30:15,372 --> 01:30:17,733
Speaker 22: plunked a see third out the back for the teenager

1865
01:30:17,812 --> 01:30:20,253
Speaker 22: and he's stayed there every year and he's gone, and

1866
01:30:20,253 --> 01:30:22,693
Speaker 22: now we disused the back houses.

1867
01:30:22,372 --> 01:30:22,973
Speaker 11: In near B and B.

1868
01:30:23,412 --> 01:30:27,572
Speaker 4: So you're you're a younger sort of downsizer than what

1869
01:30:27,612 --> 01:30:29,452
Speaker 4: people normally think about downsizing, right.

1870
01:30:29,372 --> 01:30:32,412
Speaker 5: Penny, Yeah, fifty six, yeah, right, yeah.

1871
01:30:32,253 --> 01:30:35,133
Speaker 4: Because people think about downsizing at what retirement.

1872
01:30:34,652 --> 01:30:36,172
Speaker 3: Ages sixty five plus?

1873
01:30:36,372 --> 01:30:40,293
Speaker 21: Yeah, So yeah, no, it's sort of quite scary because

1874
01:30:40,333 --> 01:30:43,492
Speaker 21: my father was in his eighties and we had the

1875
01:30:43,492 --> 01:30:46,972
Speaker 21: same dear. We've got other relatives still surviving and those

1876
01:30:47,013 --> 01:30:49,213
Speaker 21: sort of in their eighties, and you just think, oh god,

1877
01:30:49,893 --> 01:30:51,293
Speaker 21: trying to move at that age, it's bad.

1878
01:30:51,412 --> 01:30:53,412
Speaker 3: Nothing your fifties some good foresight.

1879
01:30:53,812 --> 01:30:55,093
Speaker 4: So I mean, what was it?

1880
01:30:55,173 --> 01:30:56,773
Speaker 3: How big was the house that you built?

1881
01:30:57,893 --> 01:30:59,853
Speaker 21: Two hundred and sixty square.

1882
01:30:59,572 --> 01:31:01,652
Speaker 3: Meters it's a big house. Yeah, and so was it

1883
01:31:01,692 --> 01:31:04,492
Speaker 3: a maintenance thing or you generally just looked into the

1884
01:31:04,492 --> 01:31:07,132
Speaker 3: future and thought, I can't be bothered doing that when

1885
01:31:07,173 --> 01:31:09,453
Speaker 3: I'm old. It's still it now, Yeah.

1886
01:31:09,293 --> 01:31:09,972
Speaker 11: It's basically.

1887
01:31:10,133 --> 01:31:12,013
Speaker 21: And also we had a lot of money tied up,

1888
01:31:12,013 --> 01:31:15,812
Speaker 21: and it was also like a two year old home,

1889
01:31:15,893 --> 01:31:17,333
Speaker 21: so it was going to be easy to sell with

1890
01:31:17,412 --> 01:31:19,093
Speaker 21: a thing two years and it would have been a

1891
01:31:19,133 --> 01:31:21,293
Speaker 21: mother two years down the track, you know what I mean.

1892
01:31:22,253 --> 01:31:24,692
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, it's a smart move and so

1893
01:31:24,732 --> 01:31:26,772
Speaker 3: it's working well. Now you say you've got to sleep out.

1894
01:31:26,812 --> 01:31:28,372
Speaker 3: The kids have still got a place to stay if

1895
01:31:28,412 --> 01:31:28,972
Speaker 3: they want to come.

1896
01:31:29,652 --> 01:31:32,772
Speaker 21: Yeah, yeah, know, if if the two boys and one

1897
01:31:32,772 --> 01:31:34,732
Speaker 21: of them's got a partner and they bring the dog,

1898
01:31:34,812 --> 01:31:37,093
Speaker 21: if they want to we just don't book a batch out.

1899
01:31:37,253 --> 01:31:39,372
Speaker 21: It's called a batch at the bat, but it's attached

1900
01:31:39,412 --> 01:31:41,972
Speaker 21: to the front house. So we've got two houses to

1901
01:31:41,973 --> 01:31:45,213
Speaker 21: two bedroom houses. It is on a fairly large section,

1902
01:31:45,412 --> 01:31:49,892
Speaker 21: but it's it's easy to maintain, it's not hard to maintain.

1903
01:31:50,372 --> 01:31:52,492
Speaker 21: It's all flat, whereas the other houses on a hill.

1904
01:31:52,612 --> 01:31:54,093
Speaker 11: So, yeah, that was you.

1905
01:31:54,772 --> 01:32:00,213
Speaker 4: You haven't downsize to a you know, bedst have you

1906
01:32:00,213 --> 01:32:00,532
Speaker 4: going on?

1907
01:32:01,853 --> 01:32:04,053
Speaker 21: We have, But I mean it's like you're saying about

1908
01:32:04,093 --> 01:32:06,732
Speaker 21: when you when you have family dinners in there is

1909
01:32:06,772 --> 01:32:08,852
Speaker 21: you know, I was used to a big dining but

1910
01:32:08,933 --> 01:32:11,732
Speaker 21: now all we did was we just put it one

1911
01:32:11,772 --> 01:32:15,213
Speaker 21: of those outdoor pgol of things and new deck and

1912
01:32:15,532 --> 01:32:17,692
Speaker 21: so if it's summer time, we will sit out there.

1913
01:32:17,933 --> 01:32:19,532
Speaker 21: If it's wind till, well it's just tough.

1914
01:32:20,013 --> 01:32:22,692
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, oh good on your penny, and thanks thanks

1915
01:32:22,732 --> 01:32:24,852
Speaker 4: for bringing in and sharing that with us. When my

1916
01:32:25,053 --> 01:32:27,772
Speaker 4: I think about this, so when my mom died, my

1917
01:32:27,853 --> 01:32:31,532
Speaker 4: dad moved off the farm into town yep. And that

1918
01:32:31,652 --> 01:32:35,612
Speaker 4: move was tough. My god. There was so many different

1919
01:32:35,612 --> 01:32:38,372
Speaker 4: buildings full of stuff, the amount of stuff. How big

1920
01:32:38,452 --> 01:32:38,892
Speaker 4: was the farm?

1921
01:32:38,933 --> 01:32:41,452
Speaker 3: Like, I mean that, well, the size of the land

1922
01:32:41,452 --> 01:32:42,173
Speaker 3: was quite big, right.

1923
01:32:42,213 --> 01:32:42,333
Speaker 5: Well.

1924
01:32:42,333 --> 01:32:45,452
Speaker 4: The thing is just that if you have structures that

1925
01:32:45,492 --> 01:32:47,492
Speaker 4: you can fill with stuff, you'll fill them with stuff. Yeah,

1926
01:32:47,532 --> 01:32:50,412
Speaker 4: oh yeah, you will so you will fill every shared

1927
01:32:51,412 --> 01:32:54,412
Speaker 4: the barn. Oh my goodness, there was a there was

1928
01:32:54,452 --> 01:32:57,293
Speaker 4: a cottage. There was a cottage on that on on

1929
01:32:57,452 --> 01:32:58,852
Speaker 4: the farm that was just full of stuff. There was

1930
01:32:58,853 --> 01:33:01,212
Speaker 4: summuch stuff. Yeah and yeah.

1931
01:33:01,372 --> 01:33:04,293
Speaker 3: So having to chuck some of that away, you just

1932
01:33:04,333 --> 01:33:06,412
Speaker 3: have to remove your father. And you didn't say, Dad,

1933
01:33:06,452 --> 01:33:08,293
Speaker 3: don't look at the stuff is going to the dump.

1934
01:33:08,333 --> 01:33:09,933
Speaker 4: I didn't care. It was my sisters that didn't like

1935
01:33:10,013 --> 01:33:11,772
Speaker 4: the stuff that I was trying to throw in the skin.

1936
01:33:12,452 --> 01:33:14,932
Speaker 3: Fair enough to Penny, Thank you very much for your call.

1937
01:33:14,973 --> 01:33:17,213
Speaker 3: Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty are you like Penny?

1938
01:33:17,412 --> 01:33:20,293
Speaker 3: Did you downsize early? Nineteen ninety two is the text

1939
01:33:20,333 --> 01:33:22,572
Speaker 3: number as well? Can you to hear your story? It

1940
01:33:22,772 --> 01:33:25,692
Speaker 3: is twenty seven past three. Headliner Jody coming up.

1941
01:33:27,253 --> 01:33:31,253
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1944
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1945
01:33:43,452 --> 01:33:47,293
Speaker 15: oil plummeting, the deals looking shaky as Israel continues to

1946
01:33:47,372 --> 01:33:50,972
Speaker 15: shower bombs on Lebanon and Iran's again close the Strait

1947
01:33:51,013 --> 01:33:54,452
Speaker 15: of hor Moose. As of Sunday, New Zealand had more

1948
01:33:54,492 --> 01:33:57,973
Speaker 15: than two months of petrol and fifty days of diesel.

1949
01:33:58,333 --> 01:34:02,333
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1950
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1951
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Speaker 15: on Sunday, a strong wind wings been issued for the

1952
01:34:09,692 --> 01:34:13,612
Speaker 15: entire North Island. C Lord's boss claims provisions and a

1953
01:34:13,652 --> 01:34:16,452
Speaker 15: bill to make fishing boat cameras not subject to the

1954
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1955
01:34:21,173 --> 01:34:25,173
Speaker 15: The Fisheries Amendment Bills been tweaked to remove permission to

1956
01:34:25,253 --> 01:34:29,412
Speaker 15: sell undersized baby fish after outcry, people are being asked

1957
01:34:29,412 --> 01:34:32,372
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1958
01:34:32,452 --> 01:34:35,692
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1959
01:34:35,893 --> 01:34:40,212
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1960
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1961
01:34:44,853 --> 01:34:47,012
Speaker 15: Now back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

1962
01:34:47,013 --> 01:34:49,452
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Jody. So when is the ideal

1963
01:34:49,492 --> 01:34:51,732
Speaker 3: time to downsize to make the most of your retirement.

1964
01:34:51,732 --> 01:34:55,532
Speaker 3: Hanna McQueen, well known financial advisor, says that as soon

1965
01:34:55,572 --> 01:34:58,453
Speaker 3: as the kids leave home is the ideal time to downsize.

1966
01:34:58,452 --> 01:35:00,972
Speaker 3: If that's you, Oh, eight, one hundred eighty ten eighty

1967
01:35:01,053 --> 01:35:03,253
Speaker 3: is the number to call of for you downsize later

1968
01:35:03,333 --> 01:35:05,732
Speaker 3: in life? How did that work out financially for you?

1969
01:35:05,853 --> 01:35:10,013
Speaker 3: Nine to nine two's the text get a Chris.

1970
01:35:10,692 --> 01:35:13,133
Speaker 14: My question is is it actually a good idea to

1971
01:35:13,173 --> 01:35:17,012
Speaker 14: downside I've got Well, I'm in the fifties, I've.

1972
01:35:16,893 --> 01:35:17,412
Speaker 18: Got a house.

1973
01:35:17,492 --> 01:35:20,932
Speaker 14: That's my asset. I managed to do that when it

1974
01:35:20,973 --> 01:35:23,812
Speaker 14: was possible to do. But looking at my kids going forward,

1975
01:35:24,173 --> 01:35:26,133
Speaker 14: how are they going to get on the property ladder?

1976
01:35:26,532 --> 01:35:30,253
Speaker 14: If I downside my house, then that money goes towards

1977
01:35:30,293 --> 01:35:35,052
Speaker 14: my care and is means tested in everything, and it's

1978
01:35:35,093 --> 01:35:36,812
Speaker 14: not an inheritance.

1979
01:35:36,173 --> 01:35:37,333
Speaker 7: For my children anymore.

1980
01:35:37,853 --> 01:35:40,812
Speaker 14: My children have absolutely no hope of having a deposit

1981
01:35:40,853 --> 01:35:44,412
Speaker 14: for a house in today's market, Whereas if they got

1982
01:35:44,412 --> 01:35:47,812
Speaker 14: their inheritance from my house, each of my three children

1983
01:35:47,853 --> 01:35:50,052
Speaker 14: would have a deposit to get in the property market

1984
01:35:50,333 --> 01:35:52,772
Speaker 14: and actually have a house they own rather than renting

1985
01:35:52,812 --> 01:35:53,972
Speaker 14: for the rest of their lives.

1986
01:35:54,213 --> 01:35:55,812
Speaker 4: But if you got enough, you're going to have enough

1987
01:35:55,812 --> 01:36:00,772
Speaker 4: money to exist, Chris without cashing in your chips on

1988
01:36:00,812 --> 01:36:01,253
Speaker 4: your house.

1989
01:36:03,253 --> 01:36:07,132
Speaker 14: Well, I mean, I've got a rental asset as well

1990
01:36:07,652 --> 01:36:10,213
Speaker 14: that I can earn money from. Or I've got a

1991
01:36:10,213 --> 01:36:14,093
Speaker 14: big house that I can rent rooms out and earn

1992
01:36:14,133 --> 01:36:17,652
Speaker 14: an income that will pay for my retirement attending, and

1993
01:36:17,732 --> 01:36:20,132
Speaker 14: I could move into the smaller rental or something.

1994
01:36:20,612 --> 01:36:23,933
Speaker 4: Yeah, what about what about maintenance on the house? Do

1995
01:36:23,933 --> 01:36:26,213
Speaker 4: you think you're going to be up to? Looking out?

1996
01:36:26,452 --> 01:36:27,852
Speaker 4: How big is your property? If you don't mind me

1997
01:36:27,893 --> 01:36:29,013
Speaker 4: asking the one that you're living in.

1998
01:36:29,013 --> 01:36:32,532
Speaker 23: Chris, it is a big property.

1999
01:36:32,572 --> 01:36:33,492
Speaker 5: It is a big house.

2000
01:36:34,133 --> 01:36:37,732
Speaker 14: Yes, there would be maintenance involved, but the house is

2001
01:36:38,732 --> 01:36:42,452
Speaker 14: built in the two thousands, so it's a fairly modern

2002
01:36:42,492 --> 01:36:44,133
Speaker 14: house with low maintenance.

2003
01:36:44,253 --> 01:36:48,293
Speaker 4: So m I mean it sounds like you're in a

2004
01:36:48,333 --> 01:36:51,012
Speaker 4: pretty strong position. Yeah, if you've got other properties and stuff,

2005
01:36:51,053 --> 01:36:54,372
Speaker 4: So if you don't have to downsize, then buddy, good

2006
01:36:54,412 --> 01:36:55,772
Speaker 4: for you. Don't downsize Chris.

2007
01:36:57,293 --> 01:36:59,452
Speaker 14: Yeah, but I'm just saying, if it is the one

2008
01:36:59,492 --> 01:37:01,973
Speaker 14: asset that you've got that is going to be of

2009
01:37:02,093 --> 01:37:06,652
Speaker 14: assistance to your children, my question is is it actually

2010
01:37:06,652 --> 01:37:09,852
Speaker 14: a good idea to spend all of that? What impact

2011
01:37:09,933 --> 01:37:12,172
Speaker 14: is it going to have on the your children?

2012
01:37:12,293 --> 01:37:15,772
Speaker 4: So, I mean, that's that's a very what's the words

2013
01:37:16,532 --> 01:37:18,532
Speaker 4: selfless way to look at the world. That that you

2014
01:37:18,532 --> 01:37:21,732
Speaker 4: would you would be more frugal such that your kids

2015
01:37:21,933 --> 01:37:25,492
Speaker 4: can can get into property. I mean, that's that's a beautiful,

2016
01:37:25,572 --> 01:37:27,453
Speaker 4: beautiful thing to do for your kids, Chris.

2017
01:37:28,293 --> 01:37:30,333
Speaker 23: It's just a different perspective to look at it.

2018
01:37:30,372 --> 01:37:33,492
Speaker 14: Whereas if I actually sold my place, then the money

2019
01:37:33,532 --> 01:37:36,572
Speaker 14: I put in the bank would end up being means tested.

2020
01:37:36,692 --> 01:37:40,372
Speaker 14: I get into a home and all of that money

2021
01:37:40,412 --> 01:37:43,572
Speaker 14: gets sent down to pay for my uh you know,

2022
01:37:43,732 --> 01:37:45,812
Speaker 14: rest home care and everything and things like that.

2023
01:37:46,013 --> 01:37:48,093
Speaker 4: So it's the opposite of skiing. Right, So a lot

2024
01:37:48,133 --> 01:37:50,213
Speaker 4: of a lot of people are talking about now spending

2025
01:37:50,253 --> 01:37:54,133
Speaker 4: the kids inheritance. So they're like, Okay, I've got this house,

2026
01:37:54,532 --> 01:37:57,213
Speaker 4: I'm going to sell it and I'm going to go

2027
01:37:57,253 --> 01:38:02,293
Speaker 4: on several European cruises. I'm gonna buy buy myself the car.

2028
01:38:02,333 --> 01:38:06,253
Speaker 4: I always wanted all those kind of things. But you're

2029
01:38:06,253 --> 01:38:07,213
Speaker 4: suggesting another path.

2030
01:38:08,572 --> 01:38:11,372
Speaker 14: When I bought a house, you know, I first bought

2031
01:38:11,372 --> 01:38:14,013
Speaker 14: my house, it was worth a couple one hundred thousand dollars.

2032
01:38:14,732 --> 01:38:17,812
Speaker 14: Now your average house is seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars,

2033
01:38:19,013 --> 01:38:21,492
Speaker 14: and it's gone from two times you're income to seven

2034
01:38:21,492 --> 01:38:22,333
Speaker 14: times you're income.

2035
01:38:23,013 --> 01:38:26,253
Speaker 5: So it's a problem yeah, I'm in perspective to look

2036
01:38:26,293 --> 01:38:26,532
Speaker 5: at this.

2037
01:38:26,612 --> 01:38:28,053
Speaker 3: It's a nice way to think about it, Chris. But

2038
01:38:28,053 --> 01:38:31,932
Speaker 3: I suppose part of that is if anything goes awry

2039
01:38:32,053 --> 01:38:34,732
Speaker 3: with your health or you know, you have a financial hat,

2040
01:38:34,772 --> 01:38:36,532
Speaker 3: you've got to trust the children are going to be

2041
01:38:36,652 --> 01:38:39,253
Speaker 3: there to look after you if you see what I'm saying.

2042
01:38:39,253 --> 01:38:41,093
Speaker 3: You know, if anything happens to you or yet you

2043
01:38:41,173 --> 01:38:42,852
Speaker 3: have a bit of a bump in the road, that

2044
01:38:42,893 --> 01:38:44,932
Speaker 3: your children are going to gather around while you've still

2045
01:38:44,973 --> 01:38:46,772
Speaker 3: got that house or look after you in the meantime

2046
01:38:46,772 --> 01:38:47,572
Speaker 3: while you're still here.

2047
01:38:48,812 --> 01:38:49,052
Speaker 7: Yeah.

2048
01:38:49,732 --> 01:38:52,372
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I suppose my point there is that not

2049
01:38:52,452 --> 01:38:56,253
Speaker 3: everybody has that that luxury that the children are able

2050
01:38:56,293 --> 01:38:58,293
Speaker 3: to do that. But got on you, Chriss. It is

2051
01:38:58,412 --> 01:38:59,333
Speaker 3: very selfless thinking.

2052
01:38:59,492 --> 01:39:01,812
Speaker 4: It is interesting, though, Sustest says, for good's sake, it's

2053
01:39:01,812 --> 01:39:04,333
Speaker 4: not as responsiblely bevide for as adult children are that

2054
01:39:04,412 --> 01:39:06,973
Speaker 4: bloody adults. I mean, how much is your responsibility to

2055
01:39:07,013 --> 01:39:10,612
Speaker 4: sort out you? I mean I would have thought it's

2056
01:39:10,692 --> 01:39:14,452
Speaker 4: a bonus, right, So a massive bonus. So your responsibility

2057
01:39:14,492 --> 01:39:20,132
Speaker 4: to parent is to provide them food, provide them lodging,

2058
01:39:20,652 --> 01:39:23,173
Speaker 4: make sure they've got their school uniform, everything that they

2059
01:39:23,452 --> 01:39:26,452
Speaker 4: need to get through to set them up to go

2060
01:39:26,492 --> 01:39:28,732
Speaker 4: and forge their own path in the world, right, yep.

2061
01:39:28,893 --> 01:39:33,492
Speaker 4: So once they're out and earning money, largely thanks to

2062
01:39:33,532 --> 01:39:36,293
Speaker 4: the effort that you've put in to make them worthwhile

2063
01:39:36,372 --> 01:39:40,612
Speaker 4: human beings and incompetent human beings, yep, then do you

2064
01:39:40,652 --> 01:39:43,012
Speaker 4: still need to have them a bloody house?

2065
01:39:43,492 --> 01:39:45,772
Speaker 3: Not in my eyes, honestly, not on my eyes, because

2066
01:39:45,772 --> 01:39:48,093
Speaker 3: that's you know, like investment's not the right word, but

2067
01:39:48,213 --> 01:39:49,892
Speaker 3: the amount that you put into it, And of course

2068
01:39:49,893 --> 01:39:51,652
Speaker 3: you do because you're their parent. You brought them into

2069
01:39:51,652 --> 01:39:54,253
Speaker 3: this world. But that is a significant amount of money

2070
01:39:54,253 --> 01:39:56,692
Speaker 3: that you've invested to try and get them start for

2071
01:39:56,732 --> 01:39:59,933
Speaker 3: the beast of life. And by the time that you

2072
01:40:00,213 --> 01:40:04,333
Speaker 3: leave this world or the inheritance question comes up, your

2073
01:40:04,412 --> 01:40:07,293
Speaker 3: children will be in their fifties, maybe even sixties at

2074
01:40:07,293 --> 01:40:09,133
Speaker 3: that point. If they haven't got their life sorted, a

2075
01:40:09,133 --> 01:40:10,812
Speaker 3: little bit of inheritance from mum and dad, is that

2076
01:40:10,933 --> 01:40:11,293
Speaker 3: really going to.

2077
01:40:11,293 --> 01:40:11,892
Speaker 5: Make the difference.

2078
01:40:11,973 --> 01:40:14,412
Speaker 4: I would hate for my dad to put off doing

2079
01:40:14,412 --> 01:40:16,452
Speaker 4: the things that he wanted to do if he had

2080
01:40:16,492 --> 01:40:19,732
Speaker 4: to to try and help me out after he's gone,

2081
01:40:19,933 --> 01:40:22,812
Speaker 4: I would hate that. I would so much prefer that

2082
01:40:22,893 --> 01:40:25,732
Speaker 4: he spent every cent that he's got on making sure

2083
01:40:25,772 --> 01:40:28,812
Speaker 4: that his life was awesome to the end, and you know,

2084
01:40:29,013 --> 01:40:30,772
Speaker 4: or could do the things that he could and wanted

2085
01:40:30,812 --> 01:40:33,173
Speaker 4: to do to the end. Then he was holding off

2086
01:40:33,213 --> 01:40:36,732
Speaker 4: some for for me. Yeah, I would hate that. Yeah,

2087
01:40:36,772 --> 01:40:38,932
Speaker 4: I would hate to find that out home with you,

2088
01:40:39,013 --> 01:40:41,293
Speaker 4: if he if he was living, if he wasn't getting

2089
01:40:41,293 --> 01:40:43,333
Speaker 4: to do because he's already given so much to me,

2090
01:40:43,973 --> 01:40:46,053
Speaker 4: you know, bringing me into the world, bringing me up,

2091
01:40:46,412 --> 01:40:48,293
Speaker 4: you know, providing me a house, yeah, to put up

2092
01:40:48,293 --> 01:40:50,293
Speaker 4: with a lot, you know, providing me a roof over

2093
01:40:50,293 --> 01:40:51,812
Speaker 4: my head when I was growing up. Yeah, God, he

2094
01:40:51,853 --> 01:40:54,213
Speaker 4: had to put off with a lot. What do you

2095
01:40:54,253 --> 01:40:57,692
Speaker 4: say he's given He's giving me way more than I

2096
01:40:57,732 --> 01:41:00,293
Speaker 4: deserve that putting up with me.

2097
01:41:00,732 --> 01:41:03,093
Speaker 3: Oh e one hundred eighty ten eighty. If you're like Chris,

2098
01:41:03,133 --> 01:41:04,772
Speaker 3: love to hear from you, or if you're the opposite,

2099
01:41:04,853 --> 01:41:08,093
Speaker 3: that's the inheritance. Are you protecting that inherenceance for your

2100
01:41:08,133 --> 01:41:10,093
Speaker 3: kids or are you spinning up because you earned it

2101
01:41:10,173 --> 01:41:12,053
Speaker 3: and you see your kids up well enough to be

2102
01:41:12,133 --> 01:41:16,293
Speaker 3: okay by themselves. And also, can you hear your downsizing situation? Oh,

2103
01:41:16,372 --> 01:41:18,013
Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten eighties and number to call.

2104
01:41:18,053 --> 01:41:19,372
Speaker 3: It's twenty three to four.

2105
01:41:20,412 --> 01:41:23,612
Speaker 1: Madd Heath Tylor Adams taking your calls on oh, eight

2106
01:41:23,732 --> 01:41:26,532
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty ten eighty, it's mad Heathen Tyler Adams

2107
01:41:26,692 --> 01:41:28,092
Speaker 1: afternoons news talks.

2108
01:41:28,093 --> 01:41:29,652
Speaker 3: They'd be it is twenty to four.

2109
01:41:30,133 --> 01:41:32,372
Speaker 4: A bit of pushback on Chrisma's call. What a depressing

2110
01:41:32,372 --> 01:41:34,692
Speaker 4: phone call. Tell the kids, as I have done with mine,

2111
01:41:34,772 --> 01:41:36,972
Speaker 4: earn their own money, get on with life. The world's

2112
01:41:36,973 --> 01:41:41,372
Speaker 4: full of opportunities, cheers John nice text. And also, hey guys,

2113
01:41:41,372 --> 01:41:43,612
Speaker 4: the setup Chris is talking about, isn't it actually going

2114
01:41:43,652 --> 01:41:46,732
Speaker 4: to work? As assets will be mean tested, if means tested,

2115
01:41:46,812 --> 01:41:49,173
Speaker 4: if he requires funds from the government to pay for

2116
01:41:49,173 --> 01:41:51,052
Speaker 4: his care, even if he gives it to his children,

2117
01:41:51,333 --> 01:41:53,372
Speaker 4: you probably need to ask McQueen or an account of

2118
01:41:53,452 --> 01:41:57,412
Speaker 4: the specific question. Yeah, I mean, I'm not quite across that,

2119
01:41:57,973 --> 01:42:01,173
Speaker 4: I'm afraid, but I don't think that will work.

2120
01:42:01,412 --> 01:42:03,932
Speaker 3: Didn't seem as simple as he made out. I think

2121
01:42:03,933 --> 01:42:04,492
Speaker 3: there's a few.

2122
01:42:05,532 --> 01:42:08,692
Speaker 4: But is there anyone out there who thinks that their

2123
01:42:08,853 --> 01:42:11,532
Speaker 4: parents owe them a house for bringing them into the world.

2124
01:42:12,013 --> 01:42:14,612
Speaker 4: I don't think that you'd be a pretty weird person

2125
01:42:14,652 --> 01:42:16,772
Speaker 4: if you think that your parents owe you a living

2126
01:42:17,253 --> 01:42:18,093
Speaker 4: for your whole life.

2127
01:42:18,253 --> 01:42:20,892
Speaker 3: Yeah, to me, it's an odd, odd concept. Anyone who's

2128
01:42:20,933 --> 01:42:24,013
Speaker 3: sitting there, I can't wait to get the inheritance. I

2129
01:42:24,053 --> 01:42:26,293
Speaker 3: mean you're effectively saying, I can't wait for my parents

2130
01:42:26,333 --> 01:42:28,133
Speaker 3: to pass away so I can get some money. I mean,

2131
01:42:28,133 --> 01:42:29,133
Speaker 3: it's a weird concept to me.

2132
01:42:29,412 --> 01:42:31,853
Speaker 4: Luke, welcome to the show. Your thoughts on downsizing?

2133
01:42:32,812 --> 01:42:39,852
Speaker 9: Oh, kidder, guys, rags, I can't here or.

2134
01:42:39,812 --> 01:42:41,013
Speaker 3: You might be on the speakerphone.

2135
01:42:41,013 --> 01:42:43,492
Speaker 4: Are you are on the speaker hope? Are you surfing?

2136
01:42:43,572 --> 01:42:47,173
Speaker 4: What's going on? Nice?

2137
01:42:47,253 --> 01:42:47,452
Speaker 7: Luke?

2138
01:42:49,013 --> 01:42:52,452
Speaker 9: Yeah, so I've got to I'm in a different photo together.

2139
01:42:53,293 --> 01:42:58,892
Speaker 9: I'm considering downtizing. It's forty because great schemes and playing

2140
01:42:58,933 --> 01:43:01,933
Speaker 9: with the house. Then you get that you don't have kids,

2141
01:43:02,293 --> 01:43:04,173
Speaker 9: and then what do you do? You just study, clean

2142
01:43:04,253 --> 01:43:05,812
Speaker 9: the roof and stain the walls for the rest of

2143
01:43:05,853 --> 01:43:06,253
Speaker 9: your life.

2144
01:43:07,053 --> 01:43:09,932
Speaker 4: Liking you just deal was liking never ends. The liking.

2145
01:43:10,732 --> 01:43:15,212
Speaker 9: Those try and walk away, they just.

2146
01:43:14,492 --> 01:43:16,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, you only walk away for a couple of weeks

2147
01:43:16,173 --> 01:43:16,772
Speaker 3: and you're back at it.

2148
01:43:19,572 --> 01:43:19,732
Speaker 7: You know.

2149
01:43:19,772 --> 01:43:21,612
Speaker 9: I'm wondering, is it does it too soon to.

2150
01:43:23,532 --> 01:43:23,772
Speaker 7: I think?

2151
01:43:24,253 --> 01:43:24,652
Speaker 9: Cavan?

2152
01:43:25,452 --> 01:43:29,412
Speaker 4: Caravan? Well, how are you? How many people you're operating

2153
01:43:29,452 --> 01:43:33,412
Speaker 4: with Luke, what's your what's your your loving situation? Me

2154
01:43:33,532 --> 01:43:42,532
Speaker 4: and Ma a big show fan. Yeah, now yeah, so

2155
01:43:43,333 --> 01:43:45,133
Speaker 4: you and your wife just rattling around a big old

2156
01:43:45,133 --> 01:43:46,972
Speaker 4: house dealing with the like and you want to get

2157
01:43:46,973 --> 01:43:48,173
Speaker 4: into the caravan, you.

2158
01:43:48,093 --> 01:43:50,213
Speaker 9: Know, yeah, like the caravan and just start turing the

2159
01:43:50,213 --> 01:43:52,532
Speaker 9: country that we just don't have to run. Aw And

2160
01:43:52,612 --> 01:43:55,732
Speaker 9: we felt like a couple of semi an old, semi

2161
01:43:55,812 --> 01:44:01,853
Speaker 9: retired couple hanging out with all the the boomers.

2162
01:44:00,612 --> 01:44:01,772
Speaker 4: Was a man or a good thing.

2163
01:44:03,213 --> 01:44:03,692
Speaker 9: That was good.

2164
01:44:03,692 --> 01:44:05,732
Speaker 24: They're all good people and they can keep up now

2165
01:44:05,732 --> 01:44:12,052
Speaker 24: they got they got the old tree behind them. Pretty friendly, lovely, yeah,

2166
01:44:12,293 --> 01:44:16,133
Speaker 24: always friendly. And you know they'll invite you around Christian yeah,

2167
01:44:16,973 --> 01:44:18,173
Speaker 24: or a brandy in the evening.

2168
01:44:18,213 --> 01:44:21,013
Speaker 9: And I'm just singing, maybe.

2169
01:44:22,133 --> 01:44:28,772
Speaker 11: Boys wouldn't be no get it?

2170
01:44:29,213 --> 01:44:33,972
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, so yeah, that's a good point, Like why

2171
01:44:33,973 --> 01:44:35,133
Speaker 4: are you wait? Yeah? Why wait?

2172
01:44:35,173 --> 01:44:37,133
Speaker 9: Why do we take this big Why don't we just

2173
01:44:37,213 --> 01:44:40,812
Speaker 9: spend you know, another five years, just check into a

2174
01:44:40,853 --> 01:44:45,013
Speaker 9: retirement village and go and cruise it. We'll see what

2175
01:44:45,173 --> 01:44:45,692
Speaker 9: people do.

2176
01:44:45,893 --> 01:44:48,293
Speaker 4: I remember when Homer Simpson checked into a retirement village

2177
01:44:48,333 --> 01:44:52,013
Speaker 4: and he was like, here's me walking around. Yeah, he

2178
01:44:52,093 --> 01:44:54,532
Speaker 4: checked until Retirement Village at thirty eight for one episode.

2179
01:44:55,333 --> 01:44:57,652
Speaker 9: Yeah, you'd you'd be quite useful around us. Well, you

2180
01:44:57,692 --> 01:45:01,372
Speaker 9: know jobs so people couldn't do like, Yeah, I'm just

2181
01:45:01,452 --> 01:45:04,452
Speaker 9: know what those things cost them, because I know they're

2182
01:45:04,492 --> 01:45:07,452
Speaker 9: not cheap to get in And what the I think

2183
01:45:07,452 --> 01:45:07,892
Speaker 9: you've got to do?

2184
01:45:07,933 --> 01:45:08,293
Speaker 7: Interview?

2185
01:45:09,333 --> 01:45:11,572
Speaker 9: Maybe I would quite get through that you're going.

2186
01:45:11,412 --> 01:45:13,133
Speaker 4: To you're in for the long haul. If you jump

2187
01:45:13,173 --> 01:45:18,892
Speaker 4: into a retirement a legit thirty eight, you're keep potentially

2188
01:45:18,933 --> 01:45:21,253
Speaker 4: there for sixty years. Yeah, there's a lot of games

2189
01:45:21,253 --> 01:45:24,133
Speaker 4: of bridge. Yeah, well, good on your luke. And I'll

2190
01:45:24,133 --> 01:45:25,892
Speaker 4: tell you what if you've dealt with Liken like I

2191
01:45:25,933 --> 01:45:28,772
Speaker 4: had too recently, you can't you Liken just plays on

2192
01:45:28,812 --> 01:45:31,173
Speaker 4: your mind all the time. I had to remove Lichen

2193
01:45:31,293 --> 01:45:36,213
Speaker 4: from a giant roof at a house, and and now

2194
01:45:36,253 --> 01:45:38,173
Speaker 4: I just look at houses with Lichen and I just

2195
01:45:38,213 --> 01:45:40,173
Speaker 4: everywhere I go, I see liking, I hate it?

2196
01:45:40,253 --> 01:45:41,093
Speaker 7: What like it?

2197
01:45:41,173 --> 01:45:43,333
Speaker 4: I'm not liking? Liking? No, you like and liking? So

2198
01:45:43,973 --> 01:45:45,372
Speaker 4: did you use it? But wait and forget?

2199
01:45:45,572 --> 01:45:45,772
Speaker 7: Wow.

2200
01:45:45,853 --> 01:45:47,372
Speaker 4: Look, I don't want to go into the details, but

2201
01:45:47,452 --> 01:45:49,452
Speaker 4: I was painting the roof on my house and so

2202
01:45:49,532 --> 01:45:52,053
Speaker 4: I needed to get the liking out immediately. Yes, so

2203
01:45:52,093 --> 01:45:53,533
Speaker 4: I was on it with the wire brush.

2204
01:45:53,612 --> 01:45:55,692
Speaker 3: I saw that paint job. Actually, yeah, yeah, that was

2205
01:45:55,692 --> 01:45:58,532
Speaker 3: a great page done mate, Thank you. Oh one hundred

2206
01:45:58,532 --> 01:46:01,852
Speaker 3: and eightyeen eighties number cool, Andrew, how are you?

2207
01:46:02,213 --> 01:46:04,812
Speaker 20: I'm good, good, Matt Fursting of all, your should have

2208
01:46:04,853 --> 01:46:08,012
Speaker 20: bloody sprayed your roof six months before you need painting,

2209
01:46:08,572 --> 01:46:09,892
Speaker 20: and then what wouldn't have been a problem.

2210
01:46:10,013 --> 01:46:11,852
Speaker 4: I know I should have, should have, could have, would have,

2211
01:46:11,893 --> 01:46:13,532
Speaker 4: But I wasn't in that position when I needed to

2212
01:46:13,532 --> 01:46:17,772
Speaker 4: paint it because I just just taking ownership of the

2213
01:46:17,772 --> 01:46:19,973
Speaker 4: place and needed to get the roof sort of immediately,

2214
01:46:20,013 --> 01:46:21,732
Speaker 4: you know. But now I'm never letting that life and

2215
01:46:21,732 --> 01:46:24,732
Speaker 4: come back and promise you, Andrew on it now, reforming back.

2216
01:46:26,412 --> 01:46:29,133
Speaker 20: I spray once a year with thirty seconds. It never

2217
01:46:29,173 --> 01:46:29,652
Speaker 20: comes back.

2218
01:46:29,732 --> 01:46:32,173
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'm on it now, Andrew.

2219
01:46:33,173 --> 01:46:34,333
Speaker 20: That's not what we're talking about.

2220
01:46:37,372 --> 01:46:37,852
Speaker 23: Sixty.

2221
01:46:37,973 --> 01:46:41,012
Speaker 20: I have four adult children, I have four grandchildren. When

2222
01:46:41,013 --> 01:46:43,892
Speaker 20: I was in my early thirties, grandparents started dying and

2223
01:46:43,973 --> 01:46:46,973
Speaker 20: leaving money to parents, and I thought to myself, you know,

2224
01:46:47,053 --> 01:46:49,972
Speaker 20: iFly fe money to me, that would be life changing.

2225
01:46:50,452 --> 01:46:53,372
Speaker 20: But what I didn't take into account was the fact

2226
01:46:53,412 --> 01:46:55,372
Speaker 20: that if they left it to the grand chap children,

2227
01:46:55,412 --> 01:46:57,372
Speaker 20: there are one hundred and eighty thousand of us and

2228
01:46:57,412 --> 01:47:00,732
Speaker 20: so we order got fifty cents each. So my theory,

2229
01:47:01,293 --> 01:47:05,253
Speaker 20: my theory is is what what I'm going to do is,

2230
01:47:05,372 --> 01:47:08,133
Speaker 20: first of all, I'm not planning on leaving anything to

2231
01:47:08,173 --> 01:47:12,572
Speaker 20: the grand children. Accept the house to the children. Accept

2232
01:47:12,652 --> 01:47:18,173
Speaker 20: the house or accept the the the shears and the

2233
01:47:18,293 --> 01:47:21,133
Speaker 20: rest home that we're in, all whatever it is, but

2234
01:47:21,253 --> 01:47:25,173
Speaker 20: all the cash. And I was I was fortunate enough

2235
01:47:25,213 --> 01:47:27,812
Speaker 20: that when Michael Cullen decided to set up k WE

2236
01:47:27,933 --> 01:47:31,052
Speaker 20: Save and told everybody, oh, we'll give you a thousand

2237
01:47:31,053 --> 01:47:32,852
Speaker 20: dollars to start it off. I went, I'm going to

2238
01:47:32,933 --> 01:47:35,372
Speaker 20: have that thousand dollars, thank you very much. And I

2239
01:47:35,412 --> 01:47:37,093
Speaker 20: would have been one of the first people to sign

2240
01:47:37,213 --> 01:47:40,013
Speaker 20: up for kV savers. So my my keV Save is

2241
01:47:40,053 --> 01:47:43,532
Speaker 20: reasonably healthy now. So so we're going to be all

2242
01:47:43,612 --> 01:47:48,612
Speaker 20: right in our retirement. But and I will downsize the

2243
01:47:48,652 --> 01:47:51,492
Speaker 20: house because we have we have a big house on

2244
01:47:51,853 --> 01:47:56,093
Speaker 20: a reasonable size section in Auckland. We will downsize the

2245
01:47:56,093 --> 01:47:59,012
Speaker 20: house and we'll have a two to two bedroom house

2246
01:47:59,053 --> 01:48:02,692
Speaker 20: and somewhere like Teka Fodder and and you know, in

2247
01:48:02,812 --> 01:48:07,293
Speaker 20: five years time when I finally do retire. But but

2248
01:48:07,732 --> 01:48:10,012
Speaker 20: any cash, it's in the bank and anything like that.

2249
01:48:10,333 --> 01:48:12,492
Speaker 20: You know, we didn't we didn't travel when we were

2250
01:48:12,532 --> 01:48:14,852
Speaker 20: young because we had babies when we were young, because

2251
01:48:14,853 --> 01:48:17,133
Speaker 20: we didn't want to sleep in a sleeping bag on

2252
01:48:17,173 --> 01:48:20,253
Speaker 20: the side of the road. So so we'll travele. We'll

2253
01:48:20,293 --> 01:48:22,892
Speaker 20: travel now, you know, and we'll spend all that honey,

2254
01:48:22,973 --> 01:48:26,613
Speaker 20: and the ants in the house will be the inheritance

2255
01:48:26,652 --> 01:48:27,173
Speaker 20: to the kids.

2256
01:48:27,372 --> 01:48:29,213
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I would also say good on you for

2257
01:48:29,253 --> 01:48:31,772
Speaker 4: doing that. But I would say you could also would

2258
01:48:31,812 --> 01:48:34,852
Speaker 4: be well morally, because you sound like a great dad, Andrew,

2259
01:48:34,893 --> 01:48:37,572
Speaker 4: and you goes you brought up four kids. I would say,

2260
01:48:37,612 --> 01:48:39,772
Speaker 4: you don't know them anything. I would say you could.

2261
01:48:39,973 --> 01:48:41,732
Speaker 4: Even if if you sold the house and then you

2262
01:48:41,853 --> 01:48:45,253
Speaker 4: spent that on I don't know hats, that would still

2263
01:48:45,293 --> 01:48:45,772
Speaker 4: be fine.

2264
01:48:46,893 --> 01:48:50,973
Speaker 20: And they would they would agree, They would agree wholeheartedly,

2265
01:48:51,133 --> 01:48:53,412
Speaker 20: and so would I. But but it'd be nice to leave.

2266
01:48:53,652 --> 01:48:57,412
Speaker 20: And like my mother in law, now she's a dear

2267
01:48:57,492 --> 01:48:59,412
Speaker 20: old stick and I can say this because she won't

2268
01:48:59,412 --> 01:49:05,612
Speaker 20: be listening. But you know, a couple of years ago

2269
01:49:05,853 --> 01:49:07,732
Speaker 20: it looked like she was going to die. She was

2270
01:49:07,732 --> 01:49:10,213
Speaker 20: eighty two, looked like she was going to die, and

2271
01:49:10,253 --> 01:49:13,253
Speaker 20: it just happened to coincide with me buying a new motorcycle.

2272
01:49:14,253 --> 01:49:16,532
Speaker 20: And now every time she comes and visits, I tell

2273
01:49:16,532 --> 01:49:18,733
Speaker 20: her to hurry up because I've already spent the inheritance

2274
01:49:18,772 --> 01:49:19,892
Speaker 20: as part down in the shed.

2275
01:49:21,853 --> 01:49:24,772
Speaker 4: That's a good relationship, mate, this sorry, Andrew.

2276
01:49:26,732 --> 01:49:26,973
Speaker 7: You know.

2277
01:49:27,612 --> 01:49:29,932
Speaker 20: The good thing is is the house that she's living

2278
01:49:29,973 --> 01:49:34,172
Speaker 20: in belongs four ways between my wife and her four brothers.

2279
01:49:35,532 --> 01:49:38,412
Speaker 20: That's how three brothers, I should say, that's how That's

2280
01:49:38,452 --> 01:49:43,213
Speaker 20: how dad left it. And unfortunately we're unable to sell

2281
01:49:43,253 --> 01:49:44,852
Speaker 20: it and give them all the money and buy her

2282
01:49:44,893 --> 01:49:47,892
Speaker 20: a small house because public trust have got their DIBs

2283
01:49:47,893 --> 01:49:51,053
Speaker 20: on the will. But you know, there's no If we

2284
01:49:51,173 --> 01:49:53,532
Speaker 20: had our way, we'd sell all that and give them

2285
01:49:53,532 --> 01:49:55,133
Speaker 20: money to mum and if they can and spend it,

2286
01:49:55,173 --> 01:49:55,452
Speaker 20: you know.

2287
01:49:55,853 --> 01:49:59,012
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I guess there is something though, if

2288
01:49:59,013 --> 01:50:03,452
Speaker 4: you moving on into this, you know, if you're passing away,

2289
01:50:04,013 --> 01:50:07,333
Speaker 4: maybe that's that's some solace to know that your family's

2290
01:50:07,652 --> 01:50:11,572
Speaker 4: going to be okay. Yes, I mean, you know it's

2291
01:50:11,612 --> 01:50:14,892
Speaker 4: all very well, you know, buying you know, expensive holidays

2292
01:50:14,893 --> 01:50:17,612
Speaker 4: and your stuff. But maybe you'll feel really really good

2293
01:50:18,053 --> 01:50:21,212
Speaker 4: to know that your family, you know, as a statement,

2294
01:50:21,253 --> 01:50:23,412
Speaker 4: and it's a way of sort of achieving some sort

2295
01:50:23,452 --> 01:50:25,972
Speaker 4: of you know, effect on the future. Yeah, a little

2296
01:50:25,973 --> 01:50:28,293
Speaker 4: bit of legacy to leave behind the word we can

2297
01:50:28,293 --> 01:50:29,812
Speaker 4: do it. I bought a house for my parents to

2298
01:50:29,853 --> 01:50:32,532
Speaker 4: retire to. It doesn't always have to be parents paying

2299
01:50:32,532 --> 01:50:34,892
Speaker 4: for the kids. Mark, you're a good man, and I

2300
01:50:34,933 --> 01:50:37,053
Speaker 4: think that is probably the obligation is that way. I

2301
01:50:37,053 --> 01:50:39,253
Speaker 4: think the obligation is if your parents have brought you

2302
01:50:39,372 --> 01:50:44,972
Speaker 4: up and sacrifice so much to educate you and get

2303
01:50:44,973 --> 01:50:47,692
Speaker 4: you out into the world, then I think that the

2304
01:50:47,732 --> 01:50:50,252
Speaker 4: obligation is the other way. Then I think you're obligated

2305
01:50:50,293 --> 01:50:51,852
Speaker 4: to look after your parents if they need it.

2306
01:50:51,933 --> 01:50:52,213
Speaker 7: Yep.

2307
01:50:52,372 --> 01:50:54,293
Speaker 3: Mom tells us that all the time she had to

2308
01:50:54,333 --> 01:50:57,053
Speaker 3: buy a house for her parents, and she says to

2309
01:50:57,492 --> 01:50:59,093
Speaker 3: me and the brothers to say, you're going to have

2310
01:50:59,133 --> 01:51:00,532
Speaker 3: to do the same for me at some stage, like

2311
01:51:00,532 --> 01:51:01,852
Speaker 3: fair enough, mon fair enough too.

2312
01:51:02,053 --> 01:51:02,293
Speaker 7: Yeah.

2313
01:51:02,412 --> 01:51:04,852
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, keep those ticks coming through A nine two

2314
01:51:04,933 --> 01:51:05,213
Speaker 3: nine two.

2315
01:51:05,213 --> 01:51:06,133
Speaker 4: But we'll go quickly to.

2316
01:51:06,372 --> 01:51:07,013
Speaker 3: Nick get a.

2317
01:51:07,093 --> 01:51:10,412
Speaker 4: Nick, and gentlemen, how were doing very good?

2318
01:51:10,652 --> 01:51:11,253
Speaker 3: What's your thoughts?

2319
01:51:12,213 --> 01:51:15,293
Speaker 23: I just thought, and so I've been lucky enough that

2320
01:51:15,412 --> 01:51:18,333
Speaker 23: my grandparents left me some money, and so you know,

2321
01:51:18,372 --> 01:51:20,093
Speaker 23: I bought bought my pa, bought my house with it,

2322
01:51:20,173 --> 01:51:22,013
Speaker 23: and that sort of thing too. So I guess what

2323
01:51:22,053 --> 01:51:23,972
Speaker 23: I'm saying is I feel like I've got an obligation

2324
01:51:24,053 --> 01:51:26,612
Speaker 23: to make sure that my kids and my grandkids get

2325
01:51:26,652 --> 01:51:29,933
Speaker 23: the same kind of opportunity I had. So you know,

2326
01:51:30,133 --> 01:51:31,893
Speaker 23: I make sure that I look after that asset so

2327
01:51:31,893 --> 01:51:33,572
Speaker 23: that I can pass that on back down to my

2328
01:51:33,612 --> 01:51:36,213
Speaker 23: kids as it goes well, kind of like generational wealth

2329
01:51:36,213 --> 01:51:40,013
Speaker 23: that without the actual real wealth part, just generational opportunity,

2330
01:51:40,013 --> 01:51:40,892
Speaker 23: I suppose you call it.

2331
01:51:41,053 --> 01:51:42,692
Speaker 4: You're going to have a little someone to spend on

2332
01:51:42,732 --> 01:51:44,933
Speaker 4: yourself though, so you get to have a bit of

2333
01:51:44,973 --> 01:51:45,972
Speaker 4: fun in retirement.

2334
01:51:46,213 --> 01:51:46,412
Speaker 7: Yeah.

2335
01:51:46,412 --> 01:51:48,372
Speaker 23: Well, I'm nearly paid my house off, so you know,

2336
01:51:48,412 --> 01:51:49,732
Speaker 23: I was lucky enough to buy it when I was

2337
01:51:49,812 --> 01:51:52,053
Speaker 23: quite young, and so I've nearly paid it off. So

2338
01:51:52,133 --> 01:51:53,892
Speaker 23: I'm kind of going to lean the majority of that

2339
01:51:53,933 --> 01:51:55,893
Speaker 23: to them, and then when I pass my house, I

2340
01:51:55,933 --> 01:51:57,732
Speaker 23: don't have a mortgage, and so a bit more a

2341
01:51:57,812 --> 01:51:59,532
Speaker 23: bit more cash, a bit more cash in the hand

2342
01:51:59,532 --> 01:52:01,372
Speaker 23: for them up for the meantime. But I might look

2343
01:52:01,412 --> 01:52:05,812
Speaker 23: at downsizing in the future. But not until my kids

2344
01:52:05,812 --> 01:52:09,093
Speaker 23: are older and left and you know, yeah, I just

2345
01:52:09,093 --> 01:52:10,972
Speaker 23: think that that's I think it's important that if you've,

2346
01:52:11,133 --> 01:52:13,173
Speaker 23: if you've, if you've been given an upper hand, Yeah,

2347
01:52:13,933 --> 01:52:17,253
Speaker 23: that you that you look after, you look after the

2348
01:52:17,253 --> 01:52:19,133
Speaker 23: same way that you've been looked after forward.

2349
01:52:19,572 --> 01:52:22,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you sound pretty young. Now, how old are

2350
01:52:22,133 --> 01:52:23,092
Speaker 3: you if you don't mind me asking?

2351
01:52:23,612 --> 01:52:24,093
Speaker 11: Forty six?

2352
01:52:24,492 --> 01:52:26,293
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh well you've got you're well in hand then,

2353
01:52:26,333 --> 01:52:27,852
Speaker 4: aren't you. Yeah, yeah, you're in a good spot if

2354
01:52:27,853 --> 01:52:29,213
Speaker 4: you if you're nearly out of the morning.

2355
01:52:29,333 --> 01:52:30,812
Speaker 23: And I look and I look as young as I

2356
01:52:30,893 --> 01:52:31,372
Speaker 23: found too.

2357
01:52:32,732 --> 01:52:34,333
Speaker 4: I can tell that, mate, I can tell that you

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Speaker 4: sound hot neck.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you have a good time going forward. It certainly is.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much for you. Our phone called Nick

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Speaker 3: nineteen ninety two is the text will get to some

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Speaker 3: of those very shortly. It is nine minutes to four.

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Speaker 2: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and

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Speaker 2: everything in between.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

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Speaker 3: It'd be news talks, it'd be it is seven to

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Speaker 3: four plenty a text Kevin through mostly unlike and yeah,

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Speaker 3: a lot of luck and texts.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, and I did use you know, there

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Speaker 4: was there was a lot of water blastings to get

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Speaker 4: that like an off. But I need to paint. This

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Speaker 4: person's saying, guys, to paint. We're like and has been

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Speaker 4: waste of time wire brushing the roots of it need

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Speaker 4: to be killed. Fifty to fifty bleaks in water does

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Speaker 4: the job? Some ingredients has win fit? Yeah, looks say.

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Speaker 4: I did did do a bunch of that stuff as well.

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Speaker 4: But I did get that like and off, and the

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Speaker 4: roofs looking good, looking very good. I've got to say

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Speaker 4: I've seen I lacquered that paint on though I just

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Speaker 4: used a broom. I just put so much paint on them.

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Speaker 4: It's pretty thick, mate, pretty thick. Yeah, you have to

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Speaker 4: put Oh no, no, no, no, no, no no no, already

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Speaker 4: read that one out. Oh this tick says, what is

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01:53:41,452 --> 01:53:44,852
Speaker 4: this downsized term? Get the terms right, lads. It's called

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Speaker 4: right size. Oh, it's a nice way to put it.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 4: Sizing. Is anyone upsizing? Anyone upsize at sixty five?

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Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to upsizing, but I'm still just in

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Speaker 3: the first one.

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Speaker 4: So up to sixty five you live in, you know,

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Speaker 4: a three bedroom house, and then at sixty five, then

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01:53:59,452 --> 01:54:04,293
Speaker 4: you square meter, a five bedroom, four bathroom massive unit

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01:54:05,093 --> 01:54:07,572
Speaker 4: lifestyle section seems to be the way to go a

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Speaker 4: lot more.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this one here says guys downsized in as a

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01:54:11,933 --> 01:54:14,412
Speaker 3: no brainer. Money in the bank, less maintenance, so more

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01:54:14,452 --> 01:54:17,092
Speaker 3: time to enjoy life. Want room for the family. Pitch

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Speaker 3: a tent, the kids love it.

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Speaker 4: It's not bad. Yeah. Well yeah, I mean that's a

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Speaker 4: good point, isn't it, as long as you've got a lawn. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: so getting you Yeah, that's right. I mean there's no

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Speaker 4: point in moving into a one bedroom bedsitting and then

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01:54:29,973 --> 01:54:31,692
Speaker 4: trying to pitch a tent in the bathroom, is that?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Exactly right. Great discussion. Thank you very much for everyone

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Speaker 3: who called on that one.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and that brings us the end of another edition

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Speaker 4: of Matt and Tyler Afternoons on z B. Thank you

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Speaker 4: so much for all your calls and texts. Had a

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Speaker 4: great old time. Thanks for listening. The powerful headed duper

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Speaker 4: ce Allen is up next with She's Going Live to

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Speaker 4: Israel with CBS's Middle East correspondent to discuss the seafire,

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01:54:54,413 --> 01:54:57,253
Speaker 4: the seafire ceasefire.

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Speaker 3: Seafire still works, sea hyphen fire.

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Speaker 4: Well you want to see less fire? In a ceasefire.

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01:55:03,133 --> 01:55:05,693
Speaker 4: But right now, Tyler, why am I playing this nineteen

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01:55:05,772 --> 01:55:07,613
Speaker 4: ninety seven banger from the Verve?

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01:55:08,812 --> 01:55:12,252
Speaker 3: The drugs don't work because we had a fascinating discussion

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Speaker 3: about how easy it was to get drugs in New

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Speaker 3: Zealand and judging by the calls and texts, relatively easy.

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Speaker 4: Relatively easy. Yeah, the stopping of the drugs getting into

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01:55:20,293 --> 01:55:23,053
Speaker 4: New Zealand doesn't seem to be working. Great song from

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Speaker 4: the Urban Hymns album. We'll be back live tomorrow from

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Speaker 4: midday with more talk back for your afternoon, but until then,

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01:55:32,653 --> 01:55:35,972
Speaker 4: give them a taste of Kiwi Why don't you love

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01:55:36,013 --> 01:55:39,012
Speaker 4: the song June You again?

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Speaker 5: Now?

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Speaker 1: The drugs done were just make you worse?

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Speaker 12: But that nosis again.

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Speaker 4: The bars uncommence.

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Speaker 1: Matt and Tyler for more from News Talks at b

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Speaker 1: Listen live on air or online, and keep our shows

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