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Speaker 2: Afternoon. You've made it to the end of the week

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Speaker 2: and it's Valentine's Day. My name is Andrew Dickens and

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Speaker 2: on the program today, the Auditor General says schools are

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Speaker 2: misspending their government money. We're going to speak to our

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Speaker 2: That's in five minutes time. A third senior health official

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Speaker 2: the future for Tokaroa, the South Waikato mayor on today's developments?

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Speaker 2: And can the Crusaders reverse last year's form. We've got

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Speaker 2: the Crusader's boss after five point thirty and Elliott Smith

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Speaker 2: And it's now eight minutes after four. So it's back

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Speaker 2: the debate about the four year electoral term. It's part

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Speaker 2: And David Seymour came out and said it. I think

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Speaker 2: decided by a super majority. That means seventy five percent,

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Speaker 2: So the Auditor General has flagged some questionable spending by schools.

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Speaker 2: In twenty twenty three. According to a new report, auditors

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Speaker 2: found that fifty four schools had spent money in a

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Speaker 2: the annal Tennae is the New Zealand Principles Federation present,

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Speaker 2: Curita platters and overseas trips don't sound like education spend,

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Speaker 5: Look, you know that's what the auditing process is all

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Speaker 5: This happens every year.

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Speaker 5: Look, I'm not going to comment on the individual schools

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Speaker 2: Are boards of trustees any good at this here?

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Speaker 2: Ten fortunately, yeah, and I understand and I agree. And

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Speaker 2: Just schols get carried away with gifts? Are they necessary?

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Speaker 5: all have policies and around gifts. I mean they're and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, Tenny from the Principal's Federation. I thank you

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Speaker 2: twenty three, bream Bay College spent ten thousand dollars on

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Speaker 2: how are Julian afternoon? The board approved the jackets. The

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Speaker 2: Audience General has flagged it. How do you justify it?

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Speaker 6: Look Spending money on jackets is fairly common in schools.

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Speaker 6: They're important for staff, especially on duty. So the jackets

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Speaker 6: wentn't just for that occasion. They were used and continue

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Speaker 2: So these are like puffers. These aren't dress jackets. These

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Speaker 6: No, no, these are these are jackets that you would

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Speaker 2: I had to say this. So we talk in grammar

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Speaker 6: I've been at schools where that's been practiced in the past.

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Speaker 6: Sometimes they subsidized and sometimes they've been given.

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Speaker 2: So what do you say to the taxpayers, which includes you,

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Speaker 2: that they look good.

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Speaker 6: Well, it wasn't just about looking good. I understand the

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Speaker 2: So do I still think it was a good decision

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Speaker 6: Look, I wasn't part of the group that made the decision,

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, here's the thing. You might be leaving soon

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Speaker 2: or one day you know you won't bring Bay College

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Speaker 7: Would you be happy?

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Speaker 2: Would you be happy enough as part of your farewell

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Speaker 6: Look from my view, it was a decision made at

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Speaker 6: the time and it's not for me to comment on those.

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Speaker 2: It's when you leave and you found out that somebody

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Speaker 2: One final question, just talking to Leanna or Tenancy says,

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Speaker 2: some boards of trustees don't have any financial experience on them,

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Speaker 2: Yes, all right, I thank you very much for your

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Speaker 2: You want to block bust up replay excuse me, replay

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Speaker 2: All right, we have these sevens and blackfurn and sevens

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Speaker 2: That's true. That's true. I had a silly idea which

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Speaker 8: But then they'll take those photos and put them in

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Speaker 8: excuse the pump to anyos. Okay, maybe in good faith

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Speaker 2: And cricket, we have the Try Series final. We're on fire.

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Speaker 2: We beat Pakistan, we beat South They again, we play

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Speaker 2: Pakistan again tonight at ten o'clock. It's not on Sky,

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Speaker 8: It's free on YouTube search Sports Central and it's completely

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Speaker 8: It's the Pakistan broadcast to coverage and the black Caps.

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Speaker 8: You know that the bearly play one days anymore, can

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Speaker 2: He talks anyway, he kept his eye on the ball.

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Speaker 8: He did which is what you're told to do.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, we'll go and this is great. Signed for black

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Speaker 2: Caps and Elliott. Looking forward to your call tomorrow and

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Speaker 2: Blues Chiefs. That's going to be exciting of course on

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Speaker 8: Absolutely yep, looking forward to that and all the action

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Speaker 1: Good stuff for twenty four, recamping the day's big news

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Speaker 2: They'd be It's the time's ow four twenty six loads

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Speaker 2: of reaction on the text ninety two to ninety two.

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Speaker 2: Small charge applies first to the rugby. I find Super

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Speaker 2: you for your text. Meanwhile, now the textas says Andrew

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Speaker 2: fizzing for Super Rugby season, go you Crusaders. Then we

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Speaker 2: come to education. Ben writes to me and says, my

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Speaker 2: It was a nice treat. Yes it is, and now

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Speaker 2: Now you've opened up Pandora's box, and in Pandora's box

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, jackets for teachers are not a luxury

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Speaker 2: coffee machines and fine art in the Ministry of Education officers,

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Speaker 2: hate it. If labor getsin and somebody else wants to

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Speaker 2: talk about the og paper mill that's closing down because

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Speaker 2: it's too expensive to make paper. Should we have tariffs

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Speaker 2: to make the importing a paper more expensive. We're going

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Speaker 2: to talk about this after five o'clock today, very surely

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Speaker 2: the world wires and Jason Walls, our political editor, at

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Speaker 2: a quarter to I got to tell you a story

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Speaker 2: about Barry as well. What happened to him? No Heather

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Speaker 2: update today, I'm.

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Speaker 1: Afraid informed insight into today's issues. It's Andrew Dickens on

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Speaker 1: hither duplicy Alan drive with one New Zealand let's get connected.

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Speaker 10: News talks'd be.

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Speaker 11: Will never of fall, We'll never will never offa.

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Speaker 2: Graded house given the dance treatment. Who knew this is

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Speaker 2: report into school spending. I have a text who says

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Speaker 2: school jacket or T shirts all have a school logo on.

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Speaker 2: Nobody wears these outside of a school. It's not exactly

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Speaker 2: It's not exactly what you would call a fashion statement,

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Speaker 2: During COVID, there were fifty four schools where the auditors

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Speaker 1: It's the world wires on news talks. They'd be drive.

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Speaker 2: Sorry for some having like a stuck record but Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump has announced more tariffs. This time. He wants reciprocal

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Speaker 12: I had discussions with India and the first term about

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Speaker 2: In Australia, a rough day at the office for Australian

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Speaker 2: Prime Minister Alberizi. He visited the safe labor electorate of Whitlam,

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately for him, it was a tough crowd.

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Speaker 13: We support blue collar jobs. Another still works here. Turbines

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Speaker 2: Good call, going to a safe seat. And finally, okay,

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with ins and Eye Insurance peace of mind

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Speaker 1: for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 2: Dan Mitchison joins me from the United States of America

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Speaker 2: with the time at twenty to five. Hello Day, and

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Speaker 2: hello Andrew. We're just talking about more tariffs. Tariff seemed

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Speaker 2: to be a daily thing with you guys.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, they do, don't they. And as you mentioned, the

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Speaker 9: that we may have sort of postponed or pushed back

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Speaker 9: a trade war. But it doesn't look like they're going

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Speaker 9: to do that. Like you said, it's going to be

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Speaker 2: Here is a big thing. He says across the board

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Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, it's that seems to be the way he's

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Speaker 9: of course he brought up the migrant situation. You know,

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Speaker 9: Trup said, you know what, we're promising a mass deportation.

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Speaker 9: It's kind of the things you would think that they

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Speaker 9: would discuss maybe behind closed doors and then maybe a

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Speaker 9: spokesperson would release after the meeting, But to have a

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Speaker 9: lot of this sort of right there in the public,

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Speaker 9: with the cameras going live, it's just it makes it

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Speaker 9: for very a very awkward situation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's also shokan or and that's his style,

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Speaker 2: and then they'll sort it out later, you know. And

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Speaker 2: that's that's the way. That's why so many of the

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Speaker 2: initiatives don't actually happen, because it's like, oh, yeah, there's

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Speaker 2: some there's some fine print to actually deal with. Sorry

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Speaker 2: about that, yeah soon. Now, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Has

447
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Speaker 2: been sworn in as Health Secretary.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, and you know, he's one of the President's most

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Speaker 9: controversial cabinet picks. He's going to oversee a lot of

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Speaker 9: our health agencies here, he's going to have eighty thousand employees,

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Speaker 9: a trillion dollar budget, a lot of people both sides

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Speaker 9: of the isle. Republican Democrats had questioned his health claims

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Speaker 9: about vaccines. No Democrats backed him, and only former Senate

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Speaker 9: Majority Leader Mitch McConnell was the only Republican to vote

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Speaker 9: against him. But you know, he said that I promised

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Speaker 9: the President that if I was confirmed, I'm going to

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Speaker 9: do everything into my power to put the health of

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Speaker 9: Americans back on track. But it's kind of hard seeing

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Speaker 9: him be fair minded about this when he's had such

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Speaker 9: an extreme view and such a controversial view about vaccines

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Speaker 9: for so long, wait.

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Speaker 2: To see responsibility can cause changes. Now I am talking

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Speaker 2: to my overseas correspondent about love. Now, am I talking

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Speaker 2: about Valentine's Day and the experts saying that men may

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Speaker 2: be more romantic than women? Am I really doing this

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Speaker 2: right now?

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Speaker 10: Well?

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Speaker 7: Well you are.

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Speaker 9: I mean it's it's Valentine's Day already over there. We

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Speaker 9: still have a few hours before it's Valentine's Day over here.

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Speaker 9: And they are saying that, according to behavioral and brain sciences,

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Speaker 9: that romantic relationships are more central to men's well being

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Speaker 9: than women. And they're saying that, you know, in popular

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Speaker 9: culture that women prioritize romantic relationships more than guys, although

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Speaker 9: they're finding that evidence paints kind of this different picture.

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Speaker 9: And they're finding that research, you know, the men on

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Speaker 9: average relying more on their romantic partners for emotional support

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Speaker 9: and intimacy, and single men are more likely than single

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Speaker 9: women to search for a partner, and they're more likely

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Speaker 9: to sort of I think, idealize romantic connections. Now, can

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Speaker 9: I just say this before anybody else goes off? Let

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Speaker 9: us remember romance changes over time. So when you're dating

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Speaker 9: flowers in a week and get away may seem like

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Speaker 9: a huge romantic gesture, but as you get older and

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Speaker 9: you're married, you know, helping with the kids, or doing

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Speaker 9: laundry or cleaning the house, fixing dinner maybe just as

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Speaker 9: appreciated as you know, jewel or a weekend getaway too.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's a team and it's team would and you're

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Speaker 2: thanking the teammates, and I thank you, Damn Michison. All

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Speaker 2: the very best and happy Valentine's Days here lovers in

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Speaker 2: the air. Yeah, well, Craig Poll, Laura, have you got

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Speaker 2: a Valentine's Day present for no.

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Speaker 14: Or?

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Speaker 2: And won't ask you. I've got a valentine Day's present

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Speaker 2: for the mother of my children, who I've been with

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Speaker 2: for forty four layers. And I'm going to go home

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Speaker 2: confidence and somewhere cocky.

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Speaker 7: That I nailed this.

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Speaker 2: It's a test. It's a test. It's women's tests of men.

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Speaker 15: Are you up to it?

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Speaker 2: Anyway? Sixteen to five? Barry can't be with us? Can

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Speaker 2: I tell people why?

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Speaker 14: No?

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Speaker 2: Yes, we'll talk about this after the break. I will

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Speaker 2: talk to Jason Walls. And there are concerns about New

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Speaker 2: Zealand's position in the Pacific.

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Speaker 1: That's next politics with centrics credit, check your customers and

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Speaker 1: get payments.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it is now thirteen minutes to five. Normally it

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Speaker 2: would be Barry sober at this moment. But Barry has

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Speaker 2: hurt himself. It's not serious, but it's enough that he

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Speaker 2: can't come to work because he's seeing a doctor who's,

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Speaker 2: you know, patching him up a little bit. But yes,

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Speaker 2: he's hurt himself. And I won't tell you how he

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Speaker 2: hurt himself, but he has hurt himself, which is very

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Speaker 2: unfortunate because I did promise that he would talk to

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Speaker 2: us today about Heather and mackay and what's happening at home.

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Speaker 2: But I can't now, so you'll have to wait till

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Speaker 2: Monday when Ryan is back. But I will talk about

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Speaker 2: politics because Jason Walls has stepped into the breach after

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Speaker 2: Barry hurt himself.

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Speaker 7: Hello, Jason, Hey, what an intro.

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Speaker 15: It's going to be sorry to let everyone down.

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Speaker 7: It's just me.

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Speaker 2: No, you're our rock. Barry a flippity gibbet that flies

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Speaker 2: in the wind.

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 2: So we're talking about this with Rob Campbell. Just after five,

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Speaker 2: the another top Ministry of Health official has resigned. That

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Speaker 2: is the third in a week. They're dropping light flies.

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Speaker 2: Are they being pushed or are they jumping?

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Speaker 15: Oh yeah, Well, I mean you'd have to look at

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Speaker 15: this and say that if they're not being pushed, they're

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Speaker 15: deciding that eventually they probably would be.

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Speaker 7: And today's a perfect example.

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Speaker 15: I mean, we had the statement this morning out from

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Speaker 15: Safati and she said that the challenges of restructuring and

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Speaker 15: unifying an entire health system is not to be underestimated.

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Speaker 15: She went on to say that it is now the

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Speaker 15: time to allow someone new to take up the mantle

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Speaker 15: of one of the most challenging and rewarding roles within

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Speaker 15: the health sector. And then she went on to say,

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Speaker 15: and get this, now, having made the decision to go,

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Speaker 15: I have decided to leave promptly. Doesn't exactly sound like

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Speaker 15: somebody that is leaving because they've had a lovely time.

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Speaker 15: It's all sunshine and rainbows and they're just moving on

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Speaker 15: to the next thing. That that's not the sort of

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Speaker 15: thing that somebody would say when they're leaving when everything

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Speaker 15: is good. So you would have to look at this

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Speaker 15: situation and think that, you know, we had Maji Appa

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Speaker 15: leaving this time last week, We've had the Directed General

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Speaker 15: saying that she's leaving this morning. Things are not all

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Speaker 15: all fantastic right at the top of health in New Zealand.

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Speaker 15: That's not to say that the governments, specifically Simmey and

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Speaker 15: Brown and Chris Luxon not happy. I mean they're probably

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Speaker 15: clearing house to allow for some of their own people

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Speaker 15: to come through. And speaking to press this afternoon, Health

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Speaker 15: Minister simme and Brown he had a message that he

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Speaker 15: was keen to hammer home and listen carefully because you

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Speaker 15: might not catch what that message was.

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Speaker 16: I want to thank her for her commitment to ensuring

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Speaker 16: the health system delivers for New Zealanders and delivering these

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Speaker 16: targets so that we can deliver on those government targets

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Speaker 16: delivering and now we're making sure we're delivering and they

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Speaker 16: are focused on delivery, focus on delivery. We want to

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Speaker 16: empower them so they can deliver.

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Speaker 15: Just call them the pizza Man because Simeon Brown wants

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Speaker 15: to deliver.

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Speaker 7: Now, that was the.

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Speaker 15: Thought that or that was the thought that he was

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Speaker 15: trying to get through today. He was asked outright if

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Speaker 15: he forced to fight the out here's what he said during.

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Speaker 10: The general Apposhe no.

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Speaker 16: Ultimately she made her own decision here what she called

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Speaker 16: me yesterday to let me know what tosion she had made.

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Speaker 16: And look, I wish you all the very best in

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Speaker 16: terms of the decisions she has made.

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Speaker 15: So remember that she was appointed only in November twenty

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Speaker 15: twenty two to a five year term, so she didn't

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Speaker 15: need to leave or her term didn't expire until twenty

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Speaker 15: twenty seven. So there's a clear, clear reason as to

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Speaker 15: why she resigned so soon.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, look, hold on, first of all, for the

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Speaker 2: people to know, Diana Safati is basically the new Ashley

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Speaker 2: bomb Field, right. She's the Director General of Health. She

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Speaker 2: went in there in twenty twenty two. She was involved

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Speaker 2: with one government that was busy, sort of amalgamating everybody,

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Speaker 2: and so there's a big workwoad there. Suddenly there's a

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Speaker 2: new government who's actually devolving it all over again. There's

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Speaker 2: a new guy making more demands. I mean, she's running

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Speaker 2: hither and that all health people are. They've gone back

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Speaker 2: and forth and left him right, and they're not paid

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Speaker 2: a huge amount. And she just thought, nah, she just thought, nah,

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Speaker 2: that's what my opinion is. There's a former defense and

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Speaker 2: a foreign minister sounding the alarm about us A New

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Speaker 2: Zealand's position in the Pacific.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, there is.

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Speaker 15: Well, according to Waikato University Foreign Policy and Internation International

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Speaker 15: Relations professor doctor Rubin Stiff, we should all be quite

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Speaker 15: worried about what's happening right now.

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Speaker 7: Have a listen.

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Speaker 17: Well, it looks like the trudministration and are hitting to

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Speaker 17: try and in the rush of the Ukraine war. To me,

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Speaker 17: it's because they want to fixate on the priority the theater,

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Speaker 17: which is the endo percent. I'm hoping we don't cascade

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Speaker 17: into war. I don't know what probability to put on it.

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Speaker 17: Fifty to fifty doesn't sound great that I'll put fifty

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Speaker 17: to fifty on it, that there'll be a conflict that

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Speaker 17: involves us in the nixteen.

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Speaker 2: Fifty to fifty pikes.

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Speaker 7: I do not like those odds. Okay, fifty to fifty.

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Speaker 2: I'm too over conservation.

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Speaker 7: But you boy, I might be right in the firing lines.

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Speaker 7: So yeah, not very good odds at all.

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Speaker 11: Now.

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Speaker 15: He was on a panel along with former National Minister

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Speaker 15: of Foreign Affairs Murray McCully and Labour's former Defense Minister

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Speaker 15: Andrew Little, and they both agreed the Pacific region had

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Speaker 15: become somewhat more more of a source of tension, and

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Speaker 15: McCully says that the US frankly are not doing a

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Speaker 15: good job and in.

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Speaker 18: The region, the US has not been able to deliver stuff.

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Speaker 18: The diplomacy has made a difficult fact that in the

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Speaker 18: compact stage you've got that Department of the Interior is

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Speaker 18: the lead players for many things. Those things have been unhelpful.

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Speaker 7: And guess who is stepping up And.

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Speaker 18: Now you'll see China deliver stuff in a way that

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Speaker 18: the UIs hasn't been able to.

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Speaker 15: So if you've been paying attention to the news in

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Speaker 15: New Zealand this week, I mean this obviously dovetails off

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Speaker 15: what's happening with the Cook Island. So not surprised to

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Speaker 15: hear this at all. Andrew Little went on to talk

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Speaker 15: about how we need to increase our defense spending. Now,

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Speaker 15: I will not the Defense Capability Plan, which is essentially

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Speaker 15: the blueprint for a long term defense spending in New Zealand,

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Speaker 15: is still not out. It was meant to be out

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Speaker 15: late last year and it's been delayed a number of

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Speaker 15: times now, and there is some internal rumblings that that

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Speaker 15: is because there's concerns about defense spending. But we're edging

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Speaker 15: closer to the budgets, wondering if it's just going to

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Speaker 15: be wrapped up into that.

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Speaker 2: Now, all right, Jason, thank you for stepping into the breach.

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Speaker 2: Was that guy named Reuben Stiff.

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Speaker 15: Unless I'm pronouncing his name wrong, yes, st e Ff.

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Speaker 2: Staphor Steff okay, step So I can't make the joke

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Speaker 2: that was a Steph warning. Adam was right. But there

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Speaker 2: we go. There's a Friday, and we're loose, and it's

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Speaker 2: seven to five, and I thank you for your time.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough question to the newspeakers. The mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 19: Former Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison is well, this, of

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Speaker 19: course you're in the country to talk about economics, which

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Speaker 19: we're deeply interested in at the moment and trying to

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Speaker 19: grow the economy. So give us some advice from Australia.

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Speaker 19: How do you deal with the world and foreign investment

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Speaker 19: and immigrants and their money without blowing it up politically.

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Speaker 20: It's a tough equation to balance. The most important thing

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Speaker 20: is people need to understand that your immigration program has

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Speaker 20: strong rules and they're enforced, and that your borders are secure.

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Speaker 20: In our experience in Australia. People don't think the rules

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Speaker 20: are being followed and the system's being gained, they won't

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Speaker 20: buy it. But more broadly, on attracting foreign investment, remove

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Speaker 20: the barriers that are coming through regulation to improve comparedness.

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Speaker 20: It's really not rocket thive back.

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Speaker 19: Monday from six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with the

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Speaker 19: Rain Driver of the Lawn News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 2: Now four minutes to five. I'm Andrew Dickens and for

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Speaker 2: Ryan Bridge. We've been talking Valentine's Day with Dan Mitchison,

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Speaker 2: who gave us some romantic advice that guys, it's not

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Speaker 2: just about flowers and dinner for one day. It's actually

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Speaker 2: about helping out around the household like all year. But

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Speaker 2: I do have a woman who has texted me is

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Speaker 2: that I love my flowers and dinner that my hubby

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Speaker 2: gets me on Valentine's Day. Imagine that two times a week,

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Speaker 2: or maybe even three times a week, or even more,

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Speaker 2: imagine that you'll be in rapture. Someone asked about the

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Speaker 2: Chilean who got swallowed by a whale whether his name

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Speaker 2: was Jonah. Well, certainly looks like it Jonah in the whale.

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Speaker 2: Remember that story? Now, serious stuff a third health boss

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Speaker 2: has left. We'll ask Rob Campbell about this. He's been

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Speaker 2: in the chair and so he knows the pressures that

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Speaker 2: they're under and whether she might have jumped or whether

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Speaker 2: she was pushed. Talked to Robin five. Also talking to

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Speaker 2: Gary Petley, who is the South Way Kato District mayor. Tokoroa.

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Speaker 2: Some very bad news today. More on that to come

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Speaker 2: with newstalks.

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Speaker 4: At B.

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Speaker 1: Questions, answers, facts, analysis, The Drive show you Trust for

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Speaker 1: the full picture. Andrew Dickens on Hither Duplessy Alan Drive

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Speaker 1: with One New Zealand Let's Get Connected.

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Speaker 10: News talks at B.

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Speaker 2: As Welcome back to the program, filling in for Brian Bridge.

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Speaker 2: He's back on Monday. So we've had another major exit

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Speaker 2: in our crumbling health sector. Directed General of Health Diana

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Speaker 2: Safati has resigned. She will leave the role promptly. In

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Speaker 2: a statement, Safati highlighted the challenge of restricting and unifying

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Speaker 2: an entire health system and how it was not to

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Speaker 2: be underestimated, as she announced her final day will be

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Speaker 2: next Friday. That's soon. This is after the Director of

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Speaker 2: Public Health step down on Monday. Health New Zealand's Chief

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Speaker 2: execu left last Friday and the Health New Zealand board

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Speaker 2: was sacked last year. So joining me now is Health

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Speaker 2: New Zealand former Health New Zealand chair Rob Campbell. Hell

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Speaker 2: to you, Rob good Afthton. So the Health spokesperson Patty

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Speaker 2: Henay describes the changes as a government orchestrated blood bath.

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Speaker 2: Is this a sign of onward once people being cleared out?

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Speaker 3: Look, I actually don't think that it is. I think

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Speaker 3: people have reached these decisions under tremendous pressure of trying

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Speaker 3: to run a dysfunctional system without enough money and without

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Speaker 3: enough clarity of direction. I think it's that more than

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Speaker 3: people having their headcut off.

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Speaker 2: So if that's the case, what needs to be done.

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Speaker 3: Well, there's obviously a deep problem and it's been there

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Speaker 3: for a while. It didn't happen under this government or

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Speaker 3: under the previous government alone, But there is a need

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Speaker 3: to think the way we run our health system. We

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Speaker 3: can't run it by recycling public service heads and XDHB

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Speaker 3: people X Ministry of Health people through the system. It

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Speaker 3: needs some press thinking if we're going to be able,

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Speaker 3: if we're going to address these sort of issues.

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Speaker 2: So if we're getting new blood, do they need to

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Speaker 2: have a clinical background or has that proven and effective.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think a clinical background in the terms of

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Speaker 3: understanding is absolutely essential, but it's not so much that

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Speaker 3: the person holding this position has to be explentation. That

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Speaker 3: they have to be able to listen to clinicians and

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Speaker 3: the other professionals in the health service as to what

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Speaker 3: it is is really needed and what can be done.

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Speaker 3: And they need to listen not just to the people

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Speaker 3: in the public health system but also out there in

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Speaker 3: the private sector because the great amount now of health

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Speaker 3: services in New Zealand, from GPS to midwives two number

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Speaker 3: of private hospitals and other sort of facilities are driven

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Speaker 3: and run by private sector interests and you have to

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Speaker 3: be able to work with all of these to make

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Speaker 3: this work.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's quite hard to find. That's a special skill set.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it's not easy to find, I'm sure, but

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Speaker 3: there's lots of positions available, and I think there are

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Speaker 3: people who with the right sort of freedom to act

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Speaker 3: and with the right sort of political support, would be

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Speaker 3: more than willing to take it on. There's lots of

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Speaker 3: people working in various bits of the health sector who

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Speaker 3: have the capability to do this, but they need those

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Speaker 3: two things. They need some freedom to act, and they

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Speaker 3: need some political support and that may mean spending, but

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Speaker 3: spending is only part of it. They need to support

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Speaker 3: for a new direction.

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Speaker 2: But here's the thing. You're talking about very special people

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Speaker 2: with as I said before, extended skill sets. Do we

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Speaker 2: even pay enough to attract the sort of people who

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Speaker 2: have those skills?

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, pays not all of it, And to

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Speaker 3: match the sort of skills we need on a ghobile

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Speaker 3: market would be very very hard, indeed, and it would

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Speaker 3: be pretty distorting to do this. So now I think

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Speaker 3: we've got to find the right person. I think the

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Speaker 3: right person would be readily available at the sort of

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Speaker 3: money we paying out. I really don't think that's the issue.

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Speaker 2: I am with three so rapidly. Is this any reflection

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Speaker 2: on Simeon Brown, the new Minister of Health.

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Speaker 3: I don't think you end off there quickly. He's only

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Speaker 3: just walked. He don't just walk down the door. Notice

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Speaker 3: reflects long sending and big tended problems. And after all,

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Speaker 3: the commissioner at the moment only has a few months

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Speaker 3: less rib I understand on his prison contract because we

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Speaker 3: want to go good stuff.

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Speaker 2: Rob Campbell, former Health New Zealand, here, thank you, for

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Speaker 2: your time, and the time is eleven after five. Andrew

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Speaker 2: dickens tokeoor Right, the owner of the Khaleath mill at Tokaroa,

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Speaker 2: has confirmed plans to permanently end paper production from June.

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Speaker 2: About two hundred and thirty factory workers will then lose

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Speaker 2: their jobs. OG Fiber Solutions says it will transition the

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Speaker 2: mill to focusing just on pulp, no more paper, and

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Speaker 2: it will move to a paper import model for its

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Speaker 2: packaging operation. So Gary Pittley from the Southwark, he is

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Speaker 2: the South Southway Katto District mayor joins you now, hello Gary.

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Speaker 21: And how are you?

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Speaker 2: Matt good? How are you? Sad day?

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Speaker 21: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Said day, sad day Okay. So is this the end

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Speaker 2: of it all? Or is there any room to save

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Speaker 2: any other jobs before June?

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Speaker 21: From what I from what of the people I've spoken

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Speaker 21: to Andrew, I think they'll continue to ask via the

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Speaker 21: options available throughout that whole exercise, and it could. It

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Speaker 21: may not just be those that are directly affected. There

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Speaker 21: may be some job swaps that have been put to

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Speaker 21: the too og og Solutions and that wouldn't They don't

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Speaker 21: want to tell somebody who's been there for quite an

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Speaker 21: long period of time opting for redundancy but doing a

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Speaker 21: job swap with an affected worker. So those options have

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Speaker 21: to be looked at, and we're just to see where

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Speaker 21: they land. And they've got till June and before they

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Speaker 21: make that song of.

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Speaker 2: This scene, other than making the decision you hate do

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Speaker 2: og five or see good people.

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Speaker 3: I was probably a.

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Speaker 21: Loaded question, Andrew, but you know, I guess from my perspective,

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Speaker 21: and I come from twenty one years having worked there

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Speaker 21: and left there under the redundancy model in nineteen ninety eight,

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Speaker 21: so it was but then the situation was different then

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Speaker 21: because it was my decision to go then and my

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Speaker 21: wife and I wanted to pursue other options out in

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Speaker 21: the field.

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Speaker 2: Let's go back to your new job. You are the mayor.

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Speaker 2: This is going to have a huge impact pact on

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Speaker 2: the town. And we were talking to a boat before

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Speaker 2: who said, yeah, sure there's two hundred odd jobs that

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Speaker 2: are going, but it's actually all the contractors who who

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Speaker 2: had a part of it all. It could be more

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Speaker 2: like a thousand. And then for every job that you lose,

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Speaker 2: that affects three other jobs. And the problem with toker

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Speaker 2: Row is that you were too dependent on one industry.

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Speaker 2: So so how big is this impact going to be

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Speaker 2: and is it survivable?

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Speaker 21: It's it's huge. It's huge because, as you alluded to,

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Speaker 21: those two hundred and thirty workers, and it's a support

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Speaker 21: wrap around service from contractors that add up, and truck

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Speaker 21: drivers and transport deliveries and carriers that add up to

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Speaker 21: that that will add up to their total. Is it survivable? Yes,

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Speaker 21: I think it is, and I believe that the council

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Speaker 21: have been working on initiatives to get new business into town,

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Speaker 21: and we've got a industrial park that we're developing now

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Speaker 21: and twelve of the thirteen sites have been sold already.

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Speaker 21: That's being developed that will create about two hundred to

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Speaker 21: three hundred jobs. The o Fie or Ofi dairy factory,

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Speaker 21: the new one on the south side of town, is

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Speaker 21: looking at signing off on phase two of their development,

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Speaker 21: so that will create more jobs.

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Speaker 2: I suppose this is a warning mate to all the

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Speaker 2: towns in New Zealand that are dependent on one employer

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Speaker 2: that you can never diversify your employment base enough and

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Speaker 2: that you must always work on it, you know, to

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Speaker 2: get safeguard against the rainy day that's coming.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, I think the reality around that Andrew is that

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Speaker 21: everybody gets comfortable on their own in their own space.

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Speaker 21: And I guess where we should have been looking more

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Speaker 21: in my view when redundancies first started happening, when we

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Speaker 21: went from a four thousand and four thousand, two and

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Speaker 21: a half thousand workforce to four hundred, and that will

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Speaker 21: suggest that discussions sort of been on alternative employment or

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Speaker 21: getting new business into town.

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Speaker 2: Okay, of course, we wish you all the best of

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Speaker 2: luck and everybody. And Tacora is a lovely town. You've

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Speaker 2: got a great forest right there, You're close to the

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Speaker 2: lakes for recreation and it's close to going skiing as

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Speaker 2: well if if the snow ever arrives. And I just

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Speaker 2: want to wish you and all the people of Tacora

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Speaker 2: and Southwark all the best of luck, and I thank

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Speaker 2: you for your time. Gary, Thank you very much an

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Speaker 2: Gary Pitley. He is the South Wykato District mayor. It

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Speaker 2: is sixteen minutes out of five now out of the

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Speaker 2: four term. The four year term is back on the

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Speaker 2: table and a referendum is wanted by David seymore So

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Speaker 2: we'll talk about the ends and the outs and the

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Speaker 2: wins and the wherefores with Peter Dunn in just a

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Speaker 2: few moments time. So they say. In Spain the rain

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Speaker 2: falls mainly on the plains, but here in New Zealand

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Speaker 2: rain falls everywhere. We've got rain on all ter rain.

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Speaker 2: And with all the rain here, you'd want a pretty

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Speaker 2: decent spouting system of course, right well, for over thirty years,

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Speaker 2: Continuous Group have been making spouting facia and downpites right

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Speaker 2: here in New Zealand, specifically for the wet New Zealand conditions.

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Speaker 2: They're the original continuous spouting company that brought you the

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Speaker 2: first spouting without all those annoying joins, and that was

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Speaker 2: super popular. Now, thanks to Continuous Group, more than three

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Speaker 2: hundred thousand Kiwi homes now find rain way less of

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Speaker 2: a pain. If you're building a new home or you're existing,

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Speaker 2: spouting just isn't cutting it. Yes, you give the good

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Speaker 2: SO Act Leader David Seymour was making the case for

879
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Speaker 2: a New Zealand adopting a four year parliamentary term. It's

880
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,919
Speaker 2: part of the coalition agreement, he says. If you're worried

881
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 2: about that giving the government too much power, he says

882
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 2: in exchange, select committees will be organized differently to make

883
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 2: sure that the Opposition always has a majority at the

884
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 2: Select Committee, which doesn't occur at the moment. It's understood

885
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 2: the government will soon introduce legislation that will put the

886
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Speaker 2: issue to a referendum. There's lots to unpack here. Political

887
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Speaker 2: commentator Peter dunna is with me, Hello, Peter Collo. Four

888
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 2: year term a good idea.

889
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 22: Well, I'm personally in favor of, always have been for

890
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 22: one simple reason. At the moment. With the three year term,

891
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 22: you really get about two years of effective government, the

892
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,919
Speaker 22: first six months for settling in in the last six

893
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 22: months of battling down for the hatchet. So a four

894
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 22: year term would give you a three year run at least,

895
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 22: which makes it easier I think for implementing long term

896
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 22: policy changes. I don't have the same propensity to chop

897
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 22: and change every election.

898
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 2: So look how Parliament can actually push through legislation quickly

899
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 2: and notts have been criticized about the lack of scrutiny.

900
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 2: But should we really remove the three year check in

901
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 2: with the voters?

902
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 22: Well, it depends. I mean some people say three years

903
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 22: is too long for a bad government, but too short

904
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 22: for a good government. But if you look around the world,

905
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 22: you know most countries have been moving to a four

906
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,919
Speaker 22: year term. In Britain it's five, In Ireland, I think

907
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 22: it's four, Australia it's got four years. In a number

908
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 22: of the states. The presidential term in America is four.

909
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 22: I think we're a bit of an outlier at three,

910
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 22: but I think the additional year would just give a

911
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,760
Speaker 22: bit more stability and focus to governments that wouldn't always

912
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 22: be sort of chopping and changing because the next selection

913
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Speaker 22: was just around the corner.

914
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 2: And David once to change the Select Committees, which at

915
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Speaker 2: the moment they have more governmental members and opposition members.

916
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 2: He wants to give the opposition the majority on Select

917
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 2: committees as a as a check and balance. Good idea

918
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 2: or bad weird I think that's.

919
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,720
Speaker 22: A really good idea. Actually, when I was a minister,

920
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 22: I dealt with situations where I had the Select committee

921
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 22: looking at my legislation had an opposition majority or an

922
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 22: opposition chair, and I actually found that they were probably

923
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 22: more constructively because they were conscious that they had They

924
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 22: weren't this yet to sort of cause mayhem. They were

925
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,280
Speaker 22: there to do a good job. So I think giving

926
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Speaker 22: a majority on select committees to the opposition is a

927
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 22: good idea. It would be a good check and a

928
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 22: good balance. But it would also make the opposition need

929
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 22: to act responsibly because I think the public will see

930
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 22: through them if they just saw that as a way to.

931
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 2: Disrupting, and then we'd end out in a level of

932
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Speaker 2: stats and stagnation and just sitting there going nowhere.

933
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Speaker 22: Yeah, of course I think it's a good idea.

934
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Speaker 2: So my final question is it's going to a referendum.

935
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Speaker 2: I think that's appropriate because the people should say because

936
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Speaker 2: it's the people's system, it's the people's votes, et cetera,

937
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 2: blah blah bah. But I think it's such a big

938
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 2: constitutional change it should be a supermajority, a seventy five

939
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Speaker 2: percent majority to get this, so that we're all on

940
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Speaker 2: the same page. What do you think of that?

941
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Speaker 22: Yeah, well, it certainly should be decided by a referendum

942
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 22: because for the reasons you've set out a supermajority, whether

943
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 22: it's seventy five percent or sixty percent or something. I

944
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Speaker 22: think it's a point worth considering. And one of the

945
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 22: controversies you remember about MMP was that the final vote

946
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 22: was passed something by I think it was fifty four percent,

947
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 22: and people said that was a bit too close. So

948
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Speaker 22: I think some sort of a safeguard thet I'm not

949
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Speaker 22: sure that whatever the outcome, it was clear cut wouldn't

950
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Speaker 22: be appropriate.

951
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 2: Very good, Peter Dunn, always a pleasure to speak with.

952
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Speaker 2: You have yourself a great weekend. This is Newstalk B.

953
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Speaker 2: It's five twenty three.

954
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: On the iHeart app and in your car on your

955
00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 1: drive home it's Andrew Dickens on Hither Duplessy drive with

956
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:04,240
Speaker 1: One New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

957
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 20: They'd be well.

958
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 2: I was going to bang on about competition right now,

959
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 2: but your texts about the four year term have been

960
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 2: great and they're flying in, so I'll see what I

961
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 2: can get through. Dermott says, every political pundit who talks

962
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 2: on this says four years is the way, and they

963
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 2: say most people agree. I bet my bottom dollar ain't

964
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 2: no way this passes in a referendum. Nobody is giving

965
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 2: these turkeys an extra year with the lack of trust

966
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,439
Speaker 2: we have in them. Thank you Dermott. Someone says, Andrew,

967
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 2: if the politicians want it, don't do it. Another text

968
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 2: Peter Dunn's rationale for the four year term over three years,

969
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 2: where because the third year is election year, nothing gets

970
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 2: done is rubbish. It's a political choice by political parties

971
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 2: not to have the courage of conviction and their own

972
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,399
Speaker 2: policies and to not keep working through that third year

973
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 2: to get things done. Stick with the three years, and

974
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 2: let's get in politicians that are not afraid of actually

975
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 2: doing some work. Another person is in favor of American

976
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 2: mid term elections. Yes, that's all well and good if

977
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 2: we had a couple of houses, But we don't have

978
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 2: a couple of houses, and that would take a constitutional change,

979
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 2: I think is well beyond all of us we're actually

980
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 2: considering at this time of the year. Still in a

981
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 2: February and it's Valentine's Day, for goodness sake, and it's

982
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 2: the middle of summer and the tide's quite good tomorrow

983
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 2: and for some reason known only to the rugby people,

984
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 2: it's the start of the Ruby season, yes February the fourteenth,

985
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 2: and so we're going to talk to the Crusader's boss

986
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 2: in just a few moments time, because it's fair to

987
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 2: say yesterday last year not the best. Have they turned

988
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 2: things around? And then we've got the sports huddle for

989
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 2: you as well, with Nick Gully and Clay Wilson of course,

990
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 2: so this is going to be fun. It's Friday, and

991
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 2: this is miss.

992
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 7: Should be.

993
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:44,280
Speaker 1: Getting the facts, discarding the fluff. It is Andrew dickens

994
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 1: on hither duples the alum drive with one New Zealand

995
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 1: let's get connected news talks.

996
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:50,399
Speaker 4: That'd be.

997
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the program. Is still thinking about this

998
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 2: four year term, Chris Rickins. Another way of looking at

999
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 2: four year terms is that maybe labor would have been

1000
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:17,359
Speaker 2: kicked out after four years instead of six. A lot

1001
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 2: of people are saying those sorts of things. Andrew a

1002
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 2: good idea, but four for national two for labor, so

1003
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,359
Speaker 2: we can't go too far backwards. And of course there'll

1004
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 2: be lefties who'd think the exact opposite ron, But thank

1005
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 2: you so much for your text. All Right, it is

1006
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 2: twenty four to six, Andrew dickens, unbelievably. On February the

1007
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:40,359
Speaker 2: fourteenth Super Rugby Pacific is back. The season kicks off

1008
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 2: in about ninety minutes. The Crusader's hosting the Hurricanes in

1009
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 2: the first match. So I have Crusader's CEO, Colin Mansbridge

1010
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 2: with me now Halla Colin caur Andrew, how are you mate?

1011
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 2: I'm very good at what about you?

1012
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 1: Have?

1013
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 23: You?

1014
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 2: Has the trauma of last year resolved itself?

1015
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 4: I think so an interesting when you can do something

1016
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 4: about it, as in prepare and get ready, it gives you,

1017
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 4: It gives you.

1018
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 10: A chance to put something out there today.

1019
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 4: So no, it has resolved itself and we're up for it.

1020
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 2: Well, okay, you've still got the same coach.

1021
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 8: Yes we have.

1022
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 4: I guess if you wanted to make a if you

1023
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 4: wanted to make a a position, that's the coach's fault.

1024
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 4: Holy that then you'd say change your coach. But of

1025
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 4: course we went through a pretty good process to come

1026
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 4: out the other end. And so there's about forty or

1027
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 4: fifty little things we needed to do and in a

1028
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 4: game of five margins, you get ten or fifteen of

1029
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 4: those right, and you'll be in playoff contention.

1030
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 2: You lost a lot of old heads for last year,

1031
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 2: including your coach obviously, and you've got some new young guns.

1032
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 2: Are the young guns turning into old heads?

1033
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 4: I think I think half the battle is actually putting

1034
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 4: the putting a similar combination together week after week after week,

1035
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 4: and getting players confident in playing with those players and

1036
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:09,320
Speaker 4: doing not too many wholesale changes. When you're doing significant

1037
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 4: number of wholesale changes, all that cohesion drops out the window.

1038
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,359
Speaker 4: So I think we've got some We've got much more

1039
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 4: availability in the squad this year, and we've got some

1040
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 4: of the old heads and we've got some younger guys

1041
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 4: coming through, got some new people. James O'Connor has been

1042
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 4: awesome coming in and so yeah, you know, we're really

1043
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 4: really excited about what this group can do.

1044
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 2: So on that point, you've got the Hurricanes. They have

1045
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:36,399
Speaker 2: four captains, you know, and I think that's because they

1046
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 2: realize that super rugby is a nutritional game these days.

1047
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 2: You have injuries and you want to keep you want

1048
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 2: to keep, as you just said, you want to keep

1049
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 2: some consistency through the season. Is super Rugby Pacific just

1050
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 2: too tough on the bodies.

1051
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 4: I think that the captain's things interesting Andrew, isn't it

1052
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 4: because I think, yeah, they've got four, we've got one, but.

1053
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 10: We've got lots of people of the leadership group. We've

1054
00:51:58,040 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 10: got a number of people in leadership.

1055
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 4: Group, so you want a number of people able to

1056
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 4: step up. But it's quite nice to have somebody who's

1057
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 4: like a you know, like a captain, somebody who leads

1058
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 4: on and off the field and there's a sort of

1059
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 4: focal point for the for the group without putting too

1060
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 4: much pressure on. In terms of whether it's tough on

1061
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 4: the body, I think there's no doubt it's a you know,

1062
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 4: these are fit, strong, powerful young men and probably fit

1063
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 4: a stronger and more powerful than they They play an

1064
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 4: exciting brand of high paced rugby and and there's lots

1065
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 4: of collisions in it, so it can be it can

1066
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 4: you have some attrition on some of the bodies, but

1067
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 4: they do tend to recover reasonably well and are well

1068
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 4: looked after.

1069
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,879
Speaker 2: And speaking about that attrition, the change this year is

1070
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 2: into the kicking rules and the kicking and the chase,

1071
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 2: et cetera. So are they we've seen it in the

1072
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 2: Six Nations. Are these good changes?

1073
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 10: Some of these?

1074
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 4: I think, I think what's happening yes, In short, yes,

1075
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 4: I think what's happening all over the globe is that

1076
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 4: we've realized most people involved in rugby have realized that

1077
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:05,879
Speaker 4: the game has to be attractive, not only and fun

1078
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 4: to play, but for fans to watch and so, and

1079
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,760
Speaker 4: it has to be safe. So if you've got chases

1080
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 4: going on and people blocking those chases and therefore the

1081
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 4: collisions are more dangerous than they need to be, and

1082
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 4: also that the contests aren't there, then I think both

1083
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 4: the punter and the person who's playing the game just.

1084
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 10: Wants to see that improve it.

1085
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Speaker 4: And so I think lots of these little changes that

1086
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 4: have been brought in, especially in Super rugby, we tend

1087
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:38,439
Speaker 4: to be the breeding ground of innovation, and it's why

1088
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 4: it's such a fast and exciting and interesting competition.

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00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 2: You've got Brad Moore, he's been talking about that kick game.

1090
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 2: He was talking this morning. He was saying, just don't

1091
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 2: just kick it away, kick it away with purpose, you know,

1092
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 2: and all that sort of thing. He seems like a

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00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 2: good bloke. How confident are you of keeping him because

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00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 2: I understand Wales might want to steal him.

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00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 4: It's always nice when we've got people who want to

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00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 4: steal our coaches. New Zealand Rugby did a fairly good

1097
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 4: job over the last couple of years and stole a

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00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 4: few of ours. But we're really stoked that Brad's name

1099
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 4: pops up in these conversations. He's obviously contracted with us

1100
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 4: for two years and I think he's really really happy

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00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:21,439
Speaker 4: he's come in as contribution has been excellent. He's really

1102
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 4: enjoying the group, that they're a harmonious group, there any

1103
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 4: false harmony being there. They're testing and challenging each other,

1104
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 4: and I think he's really enjoying himself.

1105
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 2: I can hear wind. Are you watching footy?

1106
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 4: Have I given it away?

1107
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 3: So?

1108
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 4: The development teams just playing at the moment and the

1109
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 4: Crusaders have just gone ahead against Hurricanes Development, So yes, I.

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00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 2: Am watching forty what's to the crowd?

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00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 4: We'll get between sold and then fourteen thousand. Right at

1112
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 4: the moment, the crowd's not that big, but they're starting

1113
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 4: to come in so it'll actually not pretty full too.

1114
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 10: And it's a wonderful day, wonderful.

1115
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 2: For watching footy, And how keen, are you for the

1116
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 2: new stadium.

1117
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:06,399
Speaker 10: I can't wait.

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00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 4: It's I haven't spent a lot of time personally going

1119
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 4: around on the inside. I've spent a lot of time

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Speaker 4: on the outside.

1121
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 10: But the feedback about it from the suppliers.

1122
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 4: And some of their sponsors have been through is that

1123
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 4: they are blown away by it will be. I forget

1124
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 4: the National Stadium being Eden Park. I'm telling you of

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00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 4: the National Stadium as one New Zealand Stadium next year.

1126
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 2: Oh that's fighting words. Look mate, all the very best

1127
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 2: of luck with the game that's happening tonight and go

1128
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 2: the Mighty Blues and thank you for your time. Thanks,

1129
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:43,720
Speaker 2: that's good as color Mansbridge. Here is the Crusader CEO.

1130
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 2: It is eighteen to six.

1131
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 1: The Friday Sports Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's international realty,

1132
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 1: local and global exposure like no other.

1133
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 24: It's been talk about restoration and restoring the manner and

1134
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 24: the significance of the Crusader image.

1135
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 25: Interscapable factor is that Anios and the owner of Anios

1136
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 25: are reasonably wealthy. They won't have taken this action lightly.

1137
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 25: They will have looked at all of the options, including

1138
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 25: the cost of.

1139
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:23,879
Speaker 2: Legal the worries have been around thirty years now.

1140
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 4: You know what we believe is another team in Auckland

1141
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:28,800
Speaker 4: is only going to lift the game.

1142
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 2: And we would hope to say, hey, time for the

1143
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 2: sports huddle. We've got Nick Burley news talks HEREB Canterbury

1144
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 2: Sports Reader and Clay Wilson news talks HEREB Sport News

1145
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 2: Directed together. Gentlemen, good evening to you leaving Andrew all right, Andrew, hey,

1146
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 2: Clay and the Crusaders do better.

1147
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 3: Well?

1148
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:50,800
Speaker 24: Not with thirteen or fourteen injuries that Nick gar reported

1149
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:52,359
Speaker 24: to us ur in the week after we came back

1150
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 24: from training, seems like a like a hard ask. I think,

1151
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 24: you know, you'd say their prospects look perhaps a little

1152
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 24: bit better this year with a couple of a couple

1153
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 24: of faces back, but starting the season with such a

1154
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 24: big casualty ward as it's pretty tough going and you've

1155
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 24: got the Hurricanes going down there who have a pretty

1156
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 24: good roster, and you'd have to think are going to

1157
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 24: be somewhere in the mix. But probably the man to

1158
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 24: really ask about that, as our Canterbury sportsman like himself.

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00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 2: I was about to say, Nick, Billy, has your boss

1160
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 2: actually still and all your talking points or what else

1161
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 2: would you like to say? You've been there and look,

1162
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 2: I've just had mister Mansbridge actually come on and say,

1163
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 2: these are fit and healthy men. You know they can

1164
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 2: it's not too hard. They've got fourteen injuries and they

1165
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:30,919
Speaker 2: haven't even played a game.

1166
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 14: Yeah, look I found that comment. I think what to

1167
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 14: help out my friend Colin Mansbridge there what he was

1168
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 14: probably suggesting. It's compared to last year in terms of

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00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 14: the type of player that they're without. If we look

1170
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 14: at last year, which was a bit of a basket

1171
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 14: case by the end of it, I know Will Jordan

1172
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 14: at all, Scott Barrett played four games to Mighty. Williams

1173
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 14: is out a long time. Cody Taylor had a non

1174
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 14: playing sabbatical ridden into his contract. These are guys who

1175
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 14: are there outside of Cody Taylor's got a wee hamstrings train,

1176
00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 14: but they're there tonight. Will Jordan, you know it's Scott.

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Speaker 14: They're going to make a huge difference to this team.

1178
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 14: And rightly or wrongly, in terms of talking about attrition

1179
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 14: throughout the season, a large part of the success is

1180
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:12,439
Speaker 14: what players you do have available over a competition which

1181
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 14: spans the best part of four months, so look, I

1182
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 14: think the Crusaders are in a much better position. Pretty

1183
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 14: much everything that possibly could have gone wrong last year

1184
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 14: did go wrong, and I do suspect that they'll be

1185
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 14: a lot better this year.

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00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 2: Do I think they can win?

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Speaker 14: I think it's the Blues and the Chiefs to lose personally,

1188
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 14: but I think.

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Speaker 2: They'll be there at the business end of the season.

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Speaker 2: Because they are playing tomorrow in a replay of the final.

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00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 2: That'll be good. A final rugby question. Joe Schmidt abandoned

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00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 2: by Australia or no? Or did he know he abandoned Australia,

1193
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 2: which is actually must be heartbreaking for Australia. But here's

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00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 2: the thing. Can we can we take him up in

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00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 2: some role or another with the All Backs or with

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Speaker 2: the New Zealand rugby Clay.

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Speaker 24: Well, another of our Steam colleagues, Eliott Smith, made this

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Speaker 24: point during his column for The Herald and and I

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Speaker 24: you know, you have to look at what Joe Schmidt's

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Speaker 24: done across world rugby and just everything you hear about

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00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 24: Joe Schmidt. He's a rugby man through and through. He

1202
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 24: lives and breeds it and he clearly knows the game

1203
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 24: inside out. You look at someone like Sawayne Smith, who

1204
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 24: obviously was just a brilliant mind, and Joe Schmitt seems

1205
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 24: to fit into that kind of kind of mold. We

1206
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 24: obviously know that, you know, he hit his time with

1207
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 24: the All Blacks and he's gone to Australia, but he

1208
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 24: does really want to be in New Zealand and terims

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00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 24: of his family and that kind of thing. If he's

1210
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 24: back here, how does he fit into an All Black situation?

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Speaker 24: Perhaps he doesn't, we know. With when Scott Robertson came

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00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:28,920
Speaker 24: on board, they tried to get those two guys to

1213
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 24: work together and what we sort of heard was that

1214
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 24: perhaps Joe Schmitt wasn't quite as comfortable with that. So

1215
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:37,919
Speaker 24: whether it's that or Elliott alluded to the Black Ferns.

1216
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 24: You know, they've got a World Cup coming up this year.

1217
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 24: A great mind like that, someone who's brilliant behind the

1218
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 24: intricacies of the game.

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Speaker 10: Maybe he's a perfect.

1220
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 24: Man if you can get him on board in a

1221
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 24: in a roll with the Black fans this year.

1222
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 2: Which which which Wayne Smith did. So yeah, that once

1223
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 2: again there's there's that storyline. The new professor is Joe Schmidt.

1224
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 2: What do you think? What do you think?

1225
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 3: Neck.

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Speaker 14: I think it's it's incredibly important Andrew where we have

1227
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:01,439
Speaker 14: so much intellectual property in terms of coaching rugby coaching

1228
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 14: going overseas and understandably so to Europe because the money's

1229
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 14: there in Japan, because the money's there. There's a situation,

1230
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 14: as Clay outline there where this is a coach who

1231
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 14: wants to be in New Zealand because of family reasons

1232
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 14: that we need to make the most of his geographical

1233
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 14: position within the country and whether you slice it up

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01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 14: and get him to work with the Black fans. But

1235
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 14: how about the All Black sevens for example, the men's

1236
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 14: team who struggled last year, or just as a men's

1237
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 14: or a consultant to our six super rugby teams here

1238
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 14: in New Zealand. I think they'd be stupid not to

1239
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 14: pick up the phone.

1240
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 2: New Zealand Rugby, Nick Burley and Clay Wilson is a

1241
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 2: huddle today. We're back in a few moments time league

1242
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 2: and golf and all sorts still to come here on

1243
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 2: newsks'b It's thirteen to six.

1244
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 1: The Friday Sports Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty

1245
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:49,960
Speaker 1: elevate the marketing of your home.

1246
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 2: All right, it is now ten minutes to six. Claiy

1247
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 2: Wilson and Nick Burley on the sports huddle. We have

1248
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 2: a man of pacifica bid for a second NRL team

1249
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 2: in Auckham. Couple of visuals there can all can support

1250
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 2: another sporting franchise and the other issue is well, actually

1251
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 2: I'm just going to go straight to Nick Bewley because

1252
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 2: you'll be heart broken the South I've missed out. Three

1253
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 2: teams in the South Island missed out, so you'll be

1254
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 2: sitting there going well, there's no way another team in

1255
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 2: Orcland's going to get it.

1256
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 14: Well missed out for now, I should say, Andrew, it's

1257
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 14: a very slow moving beast, this NRL expansion. And there's

1258
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 14: someone who's sort of covered those three christ Church consortium

1259
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 14: or group of business people over the last of the

1260
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,959
Speaker 14: twelve to eighteen months. Yeah, it's very much a slow

1261
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 14: moving beast. But look what the point you were making

1262
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 14: there around can they survive in a market like Auckland.

1263
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 14: You think Blues Warriors break is Auckland FC and Maana

1264
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 14: pacifica the super rugby team, and I think you've just

1265
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 14: got to go knock on the door at Maana PACIFICA

1266
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 14: and understand how tough it has been for them to

1267
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 14: survive and be where they are at the start line

1268
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 14: for this edition of Super Rugby. So look, I quite

1269
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 14: I like the romantic idea give in the amount of

1270
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 14: PACIFICA players in the NRL. I think something upwards of

1271
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 14: forty percent of men's players in the NRAL are of

1272
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 14: some sort of Pacific Pacifica descent. But the bottom line

1273
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 14: is it is not a cheap exercise. And you look

1274
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 14: at the crowds and population and the stadia issues, I just,

1275
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 14: I honestly don't think it will work.

1276
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:21,440
Speaker 2: That's the funny thing, Clay. After all the talks that

1277
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 2: Aucklands has too many stadium we seem to not have enough.

1278
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 24: Well, it's funny you talk about stadiums, because that's what

1279
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 24: I started to sort of pop into my mind when

1280
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:34,040
Speaker 24: I've thought about this Man PACIFICA team. It's a bit

1281
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 24: like the stadium issue because of well, because it's so

1282
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 24: slow moving. It's sort of hard to really get your

1283
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 24: hopes up too much or sort of invest too much

1284
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 24: in something like this because the NRL really aren't haven't

1285
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 24: shown a ton of interest even in those in those

1286
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:51,120
Speaker 24: christ Church both consortiums. So I know they say they've

1287
01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 24: been speaking to the NRL, but you know the NRAL

1288
01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 24: until they come out publicly and sort of offer up

1289
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 24: something in terms of Nick another New Zealand franchise at all.

1290
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 2: But yes, obviously it's going to.

1291
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:04,200
Speaker 24: Make sense financially, and where do those corporate sponsors come from?

1292
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 24: Do they have to go to go elsewhere? And with

1293
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:10,640
Speaker 24: my Wana Pacifica obviously there's a large Pacifica base in

1294
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 24: that team. But in the NRAL Rugby League it's slightly different.

1295
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 24: As Nick alluded to, there's already so many Pacifica players

1296
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 24: playing in this competition, so that kind of pathway does

1297
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:24,160
Speaker 24: exist for them at at the top level. So whether

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Speaker 24: it would work in rugby league, I'm not sure. The

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Speaker 24: romanticism of it is there. Of course it would be

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Speaker 24: great to have a Pacific team, but I think we're

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Speaker 24: a long way between sort of the idea, the sort

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Speaker 24: of bid now in any kind of reality down the road.

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Speaker 2: And do you finally talk about something that does not

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Speaker 2: involve an oval ball. TV and Z is to air

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Speaker 2: live golf. Okay, now, live golf gets some funny old

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Speaker 2: pressed because it's Saudi backed and it's called sports washing,

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Speaker 2: and should our national broadcaster owned by the state be

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Speaker 2: getting into bed with a competition owned by Saudi Arabia.

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Speaker 14: Nick, I think we're or in quite a long bow

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Speaker 14: these days when you look deep down at where money

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Speaker 14: comes from in the grandest scheme of sport. Are we

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Speaker 14: now going to say that next week when Joseph Parker

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Speaker 14: flights for another world heavyweight title in Saudi Arabia, TVNSD

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Speaker 14: aren't able to air any preview review stories on their

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Speaker 14: sports news look. Liv Golf exists, and there has been

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Speaker 14: controversy around it, of course, but this is the somewhat

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Speaker 14: unfortunate reality of the situation that that is where the

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Speaker 14: money is being pumped into sport at the minute on

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Speaker 14: a global stage, and we just have to accept it.

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Speaker 14: I don't have an issue with it. I think where

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Speaker 14: we're getting too far in the weeds if we're going

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Speaker 14: to start having issues with it.

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Speaker 2: Clay, you agree, yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 24: Next so right that that if you start diving into

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Speaker 24: where money comes from from, not just for sporting things,

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Speaker 24: but for any kind of benches around the world these days,

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Speaker 24: you're probably going to start winding around some pretty murky

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Speaker 24: corners and it is, as he says, a really an

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Speaker 24: unfortunate reality for those people who you know, I'm certainly

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Speaker 24: not a geopolitical expert by any I work in sports,

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Speaker 24: in strictly sports, but look, obviously that that issue has

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Speaker 24: existed and it's always going to hang over these sports

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Speaker 24: that are getting Saudi money pumped into them. But you

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Speaker 24: are drawing quite a long bow to start saying, well,

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Speaker 24: you know TVNZ can't can't screen a golf tournament, aren't you.

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Speaker 24: So yeah, it's a tough it's a tough one. It's

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Speaker 24: a very complicated one. But at this stage, I think,

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Speaker 24: you know, if they can get a hold of something

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Speaker 24: like that, people are people in this country are gonna

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Speaker 24: watch it. And the stage that it is, the.

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Speaker 2: Golf is good, and that comes down to it. I

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Speaker 2: was I was thinking I could ask you about the

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Speaker 2: top one hundred highest paid sports people in the world

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Speaker 2: are all men, but you are all men, and I

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Speaker 2: don't want you to get into any trouble it or

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Speaker 2: broadcasting standards complain to anything like that. So I'm going

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Speaker 2: to leave it there. I thank you, But by now,

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Speaker 2: Nick Burley and Clay Wilson.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather duple c Allen Drive Full Show podcast

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01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:03,000
Speaker 1: on My Art Radio powered by News Talks EBB.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the world's top one hundred highest paid athletes have

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01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:10,440
Speaker 2: been revealed. You won't believe how much Christiano Ronaldo may

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Speaker 2: but why don't the women make money as well? We're

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Speaker 2: going to talk to Tony Bruce as sports sociologist about this.

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Speaker 2: It's coming up right after the News and Sport, which

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Speaker 2: is just moments away here on News Talks mb Plugostry.

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Speaker 1: Keeping track of where the money is flowing. The Business

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Speaker 1: Hour with Edward Diggins and Mayor's Insurance and Investments, Grow

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the program on Valentine's Day. Thank you

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Speaker 2: so much for choosing us. My name is Andrew Dickins,

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Speaker 2: filling in for Ryan Bridge, who's back from his spamily

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Speaker 2: thing on Monday, and I'll be back on early edition

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Speaker 2: from Monday. So let's talk business, but we're talking the

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Speaker 2: business of sport. The world's top one hundred highest paid

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Speaker 2: athletes have been revealed, and they are all men. Cristiano

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Speaker 2: Ronaldo topped the list. The football player formerly from Portugal

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Speaker 2: now in the Saudi area. He's earned he earned last

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Speaker 2: year two hundred and sixty million US dollars. That's four

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Speaker 2: hundred and fifty seven million dollars in Kiwi dollars. That's

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Speaker 2: half a billion for one man to kick a ball.

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Speaker 2: Works out about and thank your answer for doing the calculation.

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Speaker 2: Fifty two thousand an hour. Not bad if you can

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Speaker 2: earn it. The highest paid female, however, was tennis star

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Speaker 2: Cocoa Golf regular visitor to Auckland. She earned seven point

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Speaker 2: one million dollars less than the guy who placed one

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Speaker 2: hundredth fascinating. Tony Bruce is a sports sociologist professor at

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Speaker 2: Auckland University and led the Contemporary Study of Women in

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Speaker 2: Sports Media internationally and joins me, Now, hello, Tony, Hi, Andrew.

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Speaker 2: So it's fascinating, really, isn't it just how much money

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Speaker 2: these guys earn, and also the disparity between what they're

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Speaker 2: paid and what they get an endorsements.

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Speaker 26: Yeah, I think that's the endorsements is the thing that

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Speaker 26: makes a big difference between those who make the top

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Speaker 26: fifty list and those that don't, because you can see

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Speaker 26: I had a good look at the women's list, and

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Speaker 26: some of the women in that top list they're only

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Speaker 26: there because they get very good endorsements, and it's the

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Speaker 26: same with quite a lot of the men. So it's

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Speaker 26: the money coming in sort of in a way external

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01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:29,680
Speaker 26: to the sport organization or the sport they play itself.

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Speaker 3: That seems to make the difference.

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Speaker 26: And who gets to stand out.

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Speaker 2: I presume it's because they build a brand and the

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01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:37,080
Speaker 2: brand is valuable to advertisers. So I know there's one

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Speaker 2: bloken there who is making three to four times more

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Speaker 2: in endorsements, so he actually gets paid to play the sport.

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Speaker 26: Yeah, it's interesting to look at who makes who makes

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Speaker 26: that list and who gets the endorsements, and often it's

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Speaker 26: a mix of personality, success and longevity, and so you

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01:08:56,360 --> 01:09:01,040
Speaker 26: won't often find flash in the pan athletes who suddenly

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01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:03,320
Speaker 26: burst onto the landscape and then disappear. If you look

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Speaker 26: at all the people that are at the top, they're

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01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:13,720
Speaker 26: playing global sports that have long competitions, incredible media coverage,

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01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:17,400
Speaker 26: a global audience. But also they've been playing that sport

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Speaker 26: for a very very long time.

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Speaker 2: But there's also a disparity in those brand sponsorships and

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Speaker 2: endorsements between men and women. And I have the case

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Speaker 2: here of Lydia Coe, who is very close to becoming

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01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 2: the top earning female golfer of all time over thirty

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01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:37,920
Speaker 2: five million dollars US. However, in endorsement she only gets

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Speaker 2: one point five million dollars, So she's not getting the

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Speaker 2: endorsements the way the men do.

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Speaker 26: Yeah, and it's we're hoping or hopeful I should say

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Speaker 26: that that seems to be changing over the last of

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Speaker 26: the three or four years we're starting, and we saw

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Speaker 26: it in New Zealand with the women's Rugby World Cup

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Speaker 26: and the fee for World Cup and the Cricket World

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Speaker 26: Cup that there's a a lot of media discussion and

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Speaker 26: organizations discussing how women's sport is different and how it

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Speaker 26: actually offers opportunities for endorsements. So we're seeing a lot

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Speaker 26: of organizations discussing putting more of that kind of endorsement

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Speaker 26: money into women's sport. But at the moment it's like

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Speaker 26: a drop in the buck bucket compared to what the

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Speaker 26: men are getting.

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Speaker 2: So let's get into the quagmile, which is why do

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Speaker 2: men get paid more than women? And there's lots of

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Speaker 2: crocodiles in this quagmile, I have to say. But what

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01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:33,599
Speaker 2: people always say, the common answer is that male sport

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Speaker 2: has more viewers because it's better. What do you say

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01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:38,880
Speaker 2: to that, I.

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Speaker 26: Will I'm trying to decide how to say that politely

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Speaker 26: or respond to it.

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Speaker 2: Politely.

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Speaker 26: I would say that that's rubbish. But men's sport has,

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Speaker 26: you know, hundreds of years of history and of building

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Speaker 26: generations of fans, and women's sport doesn't have that kind

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Speaker 26: of impact yet because women.

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Speaker 3: Have been playing for almost as long as men in many.

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Speaker 26: Different sports, but what they do hasn't been visible. And

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Speaker 26: so I did quite a bit of research during the

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Speaker 26: twenty twenty two Women's Rugby World Cup, and the thing

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Speaker 26: that interested me the most was the number of older

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Speaker 26: men who kept telling me that they had fallen in

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01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:23,080
Speaker 26: love with women's rugby because the players were fresh, they

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Speaker 26: were open, they were obviously playing for the love of

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01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:30,559
Speaker 26: the game, and my feeling is that they they felt

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Speaker 26: like it was rugby of old before rugby professionalized. And

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Speaker 26: so we know that people are drawn to the honesty

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01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:41,800
Speaker 26: and frankness and the different perspective on the world that

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Speaker 26: women players have. What that hasn't done And obviously the

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Speaker 26: quality on the field is getting better and better and

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Speaker 26: better because they're getting opportunities to be full time professional athletes.

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Speaker 26: So there's opportunities there, but that opportunity to be a

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Speaker 26: full time professional athlete accept in sports like tennis, for example,

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Speaker 26: it is very very new. And of course if you

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Speaker 26: look at the top women's list tennis, it's slitted with

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Speaker 26: tennis players, yes, because that's a sport that has had

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01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:15,560
Speaker 26: time to build that history, build that audience, and it

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01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:17,840
Speaker 26: gets more or less the same coverage as men.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and yet they don't get enough money. And yeah,

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Speaker 2: Cocoa Gough is number one hundred and seven on this

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Speaker 2: list and doesn't make the top one hundred, and she's

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Speaker 2: the top player making the most money.

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Speaker 26: So you know, I wouldn't mind being at number one hundred.

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Speaker 21: And seven myself.

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Speaker 2: Okay, excellent, that's a complete interview.

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Speaker 26: Yeah it is, but it's it's a lot of it's historical.

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Speaker 2: So I think, what could it also be that men

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Speaker 2: value sport more than women. Men value watching sport so

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Speaker 2: much more than women, and so the advertisers and the

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Speaker 2: people paying the prize money realize that there are more

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Speaker 2: eyeballs on the men's sport.

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Speaker 26: I think that's definitely a possibility. I think because I've

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Speaker 26: been studying netball as well, recently, and that is a

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Speaker 26: vociferous and passionate fan base for women's sport, but they're

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Speaker 26: not visible. And so fans for men's sport are much

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Speaker 26: more visible than female fans. So there is Yeah, I

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01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:24,680
Speaker 26: think what you're what you're getting to is there's sort

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Speaker 26: of multiple aspects that all come together to mean that women,

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01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:31,920
Speaker 26: top women athletes are fighting for the kind of attention

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Speaker 26: that top male athletes have almost taken for granted these days.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but they're catching up, which is what you've said

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01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:40,160
Speaker 2: all the way through the interview. And we'll wait to

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Speaker 2: see and maybe that this will be different in the future.

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Speaker 2: And Tony Bruce, I think you've got a great thing

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Speaker 2: to have to study. I have to say it's a

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Speaker 2: lot better.

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Speaker 26: It brings me lots of pleasure.

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Speaker 2: I bet it does. I'm just going to watch some

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Speaker 2: sport for a while. Don't worry, it's my research.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:55,599
Speaker 2: I've tried that one before. It doesn't work so well,

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Speaker 2: it's still good. And I thank you for your time today.

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Speaker 2: That is Tony Bruce, who studies the stuff at Orkin

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Speaker 2: University in the sociology department. It is six point fifteen

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Speaker 2: Jason Walls Raps the political week in a mow.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 2: Zippy Newsbian Political News. Just to hand, a judge has

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Speaker 2: ordered the Trump administration to temporarily reinstate foreign aid funding.

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Speaker 2: More on that as it comes to hand, and let's

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Speaker 2: talk about politics right now. You have to say the

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Speaker 2: New Zealand politics in twenty twenty five has hit the

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Speaker 2: ground running. So much happening. And to review this week,

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Speaker 2: I'm joined now by Jason Walls. Hello, Jason, Oh, good evening, Andrew,

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Speaker 2: Welcome into our week of review. Do you think the

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Speaker 2: Prime Minister is angry with David Seymour. We've had reportage

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Speaker 2: that the two have a schism.

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Speaker 26: Yeah.

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Speaker 15: I would say the Prime minister's probably looking at the

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Speaker 15: antics of David Seymour and I'd say he's nestling his

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Speaker 15: head in his hands and that has been his default

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01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:57,519
Speaker 15: position for a lot of this week. I mean, the

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Speaker 15: fact that he tried to drive that land rover up

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01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:02,799
Speaker 15: part Eliament's front steps is one thing, but then really

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01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:05,360
Speaker 15: doubling down and saying it was the security guard that

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01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:06,960
Speaker 15: was at fault and it had to be it was

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01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:09,880
Speaker 15: Jerry Browne actually that had to stand up at Parliament

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Speaker 15: and actually say the security Guard was right to do

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Speaker 15: what they he did. The whole thing has just been

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01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:16,560
Speaker 15: a major distraction for the government. I mean, this is

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Speaker 15: a government that has consistently said that it's going for

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Speaker 15: growth and we need growth in this country because we're

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Speaker 15: having a myriad of problems in terms of the economy.

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Speaker 15: So that is one way out of the problems that

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01:15:28,200 --> 01:15:31,679
Speaker 15: we're having and David Seymour is distracting from that message

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01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:33,360
Speaker 15: on growth. So yes, I think he's going to be

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01:15:33,439 --> 01:15:35,840
Speaker 15: quite annoyed at David Seymour. But then again, you know

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Speaker 15: this is what Chris Luxon designed when he wrote the

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Speaker 15: Coalition Agreement. Essentially, you've got a position where you can

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01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:45,200
Speaker 15: let these minor parties be the minor parties and they

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01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:48,120
Speaker 15: don't have to lose their identity and becoming like this

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01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:52,879
Speaker 15: gray mush of a coalition. There's actually three distinct members

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Speaker 15: of it. And I think that Chris Luxon might be

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01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:57,160
Speaker 15: kicking himself a little bit this week, but I think

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Speaker 15: in the long run it's probably quite good for the

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Speaker 15: coalition and a future proofing itself.

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Speaker 2: It's an active relationship, you know, and it has ups

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Speaker 2: and downs, et cetera. I mean, do you think maybe

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01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:09,160
Speaker 2: if there's a little bit of overhype about the fact

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01:16:09,160 --> 01:16:11,599
Speaker 2: that the coalition could be in crisis and could fall

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01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:14,920
Speaker 2: apart or is that just wish for thinking from labor supporters.

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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, that's definitely overhyped.

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Speaker 15: I mean, if this was happening a couple of weeks

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Speaker 15: before the election, especially the Polkinghorn letter where the Prime

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01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:25,840
Speaker 15: Minister said it was ill thought out and then David

1548
01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:28,800
Speaker 15: Seymour said the Prime Minister's comments were ill thought out,

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01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:32,599
Speaker 15: I think that was probably quite a flare up between

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01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:36,400
Speaker 15: the two of them, especially David Seymour talking that openly

1551
01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:38,840
Speaker 15: about the Prime Minister. But again, we're about eighteen months

1552
01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:39,639
Speaker 15: away from the election.

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01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:40,799
Speaker 7: There's a lot of water.

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01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:42,599
Speaker 2: To can I just hold you to account for that

1555
01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:44,479
Speaker 2: because the next one might be in November twenty twenty.

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01:16:44,479 --> 01:16:47,280
Speaker 2: People see keep saying the elections next year, and I go, actually,

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01:16:47,320 --> 01:16:49,080
Speaker 2: I think it's a year and ten months away. Really,

1558
01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:51,799
Speaker 2: I think we're twenty two months away from an election,

1559
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:55,400
Speaker 2: so there's plenty of water to go under the bridge. Hey, absolutely,

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01:16:55,439 --> 01:16:57,520
Speaker 2: what's going on in health? We've had our third resignation

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Speaker 2: in a week.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, well, I mean you've got to look at the

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Speaker 15: situation and think that Simeon Brown is showing shades of

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01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:06,320
Speaker 15: Christopher Luxeon here, I mean Chris Luxon. I mean, say

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01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:08,880
Speaker 15: what you want about the man, but he refreshes his team,

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01:17:08,920 --> 01:17:11,760
Speaker 15: as he likes to call it, quite ruthlessly. You saw

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01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:13,920
Speaker 15: what happened to Shane Aretti, shot, saw what happened to

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Speaker 15: Melissa Melissa Lee, Penny Simmons. Even Matt Doosey lost a

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Speaker 15: few portfolios. If you're not performing, the Prime Minister is going.

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01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:22,479
Speaker 7: To demote you.

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01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:25,040
Speaker 15: So Simeon Brown is I'm really taking a leaf out

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Speaker 15: of the Prime Minister's book. Although it's probably more likely

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01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:29,839
Speaker 15: that some of those top leaders, I mean the Director

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01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:34,679
Speaker 15: General who resigned today, the CEO Majiappa who resigned last week,

1575
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:38,320
Speaker 15: probably just saw Simeon's vision and just didn't want to

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01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:38,920
Speaker 15: be a part of it.

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01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:40,840
Speaker 7: So there could be a bit of both in that.

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01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:44,200
Speaker 15: But yeah, it really really levels the playing field for

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01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:47,000
Speaker 15: Simeon to stack the deck with people that he wants.

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01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:49,599
Speaker 15: In Health, I mean, I've been speculating who might take

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01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:52,080
Speaker 15: over as Health New Zealand CEO. You've got the likes

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01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:55,000
Speaker 15: of Amy Adams who might be called into the fold.

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01:17:55,240 --> 01:17:59,040
Speaker 15: Jonathan Coleman, a former minister, Michael Woodhouse Potentially he's got

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01:17:59,080 --> 01:18:00,920
Speaker 15: his foot in the health world at the moment, but

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01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:02,840
Speaker 15: however he had a bit of a falling out with

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01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:04,920
Speaker 15: Luxe and so it's not as likely. But they need

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01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:08,519
Speaker 15: people like Simeon, like Chris Luxen to deliver on their

1588
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:10,360
Speaker 15: vision otherwise they're going to be in for a world

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01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:10,880
Speaker 15: have hurt.

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01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:12,800
Speaker 2: Well, that's right, But I tooked to Rob Campbell about

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01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:15,120
Speaker 2: it earlier today and he was saying, you need an

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01:18:15,160 --> 01:18:18,320
Speaker 2: extraordinary skill set to run these jobs, and there isn't

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01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:20,880
Speaker 2: a big paypacket. So whether they can attract them and

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01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:22,240
Speaker 2: I don't know, we'll wait to see.

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01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:23,000
Speaker 22: Now.

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Speaker 2: When the Cook Islands went off to China to do

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01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:28,240
Speaker 2: a deal, people warned that China is making bridges and

1598
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:31,479
Speaker 2: wanting to step in. How worried should we be about

1599
01:18:31,479 --> 01:18:34,080
Speaker 2: the Cook Islands relationship with China and the Pacific as

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Speaker 2: a whole.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean if it was any other Pacific country,

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01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:39,040
Speaker 15: I think we'd be a little bit more relaxed with it.

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01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:42,920
Speaker 15: But Cook Islands and New Zealand have this historically strong

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01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:46,400
Speaker 15: tie and to see their Prime Minister Mark Brown acting

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01:18:46,479 --> 01:18:48,920
Speaker 15: like this and going off to China without consulting New

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01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:51,840
Speaker 15: Zealand and looking into this agreement that they're doing is

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01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:54,840
Speaker 15: quite concerning because it shows that China's influence in the

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01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:58,840
Speaker 15: Pacific has become so vast, to the point where even

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01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:02,120
Speaker 15: our closest I won't say because technically Australias are only

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01:19:02,360 --> 01:19:05,719
Speaker 15: formal ally, but our very very close partners are basically

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01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:08,080
Speaker 15: going off to China without a second thought in New Zealand.

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01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:10,400
Speaker 15: And we did hear from the Lakes of Murray McCauley

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01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:14,200
Speaker 15: and Andrew Little earlier today just how tense that situation

1614
01:19:14,280 --> 01:19:16,960
Speaker 15: in the Pacific is. The US is frankly not stepping

1615
01:19:17,080 --> 01:19:19,479
Speaker 15: up to what it promised, and that void is being

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01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:22,640
Speaker 15: filled by China. So we shouldn't be surprised at this,

1617
01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:25,120
Speaker 15: but we do know New Zealand has got a lot

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01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:26,880
Speaker 15: of work to step up in the region.

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01:19:27,080 --> 01:19:28,760
Speaker 2: What we know about the deal is that China wants

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01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:30,840
Speaker 2: to do some deep sea mineral mining, and they want

1621
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:33,160
Speaker 2: that deep sea mineral mining because of course the States

1622
01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:36,120
Speaker 2: and other places are denying them the rare earth metals

1623
01:19:36,120 --> 01:19:38,519
Speaker 2: that they need to make the electronic stuff. So there's

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01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:40,920
Speaker 2: a real economic thing there as well. And we heard

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01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:43,800
Speaker 2: that Bob Brown is really concerned about sovereignty at Cook

1626
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:46,880
Speaker 2: Island sovereignty as well. So that's a perfect storm of

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01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:50,000
Speaker 2: circumstances that drive people eastward exactly.

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01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:52,280
Speaker 15: And I think that's going to be the next theater

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01:19:52,520 --> 01:19:53,519
Speaker 15: to keep our eye on.

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Speaker 2: And I thank you, Jason Walls, enjoy your weekend, and

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01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:56,559
Speaker 2: I thank.

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Speaker 7: You very much, thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: It's a pleasure. It is nice twenty three. And I

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01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:03,479
Speaker 2: said eastward because you're so used to say eastward when

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01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:06,560
Speaker 2: you talk about China, but for us, of course that westward.

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Speaker 2: It is, yeah, six twenty three.

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Speaker 1: Everything from SMEs to the big corporates, the Business Hour

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Speaker 2: Is six twenty six. How confident are you that inflation

1641
01:20:25,800 --> 01:20:28,680
Speaker 2: has been beaten? The food price index is sticking up

1642
01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:31,559
Speaker 2: a little bit right now. We have inflation ticking up

1643
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:35,160
Speaker 2: in America and we have the OCR announcement next Wednesday,

1644
01:20:35,680 --> 01:20:37,679
Speaker 2: So I guess this is a debate for next week.

1645
01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:41,439
Speaker 2: But how confident are you that inflation is gone in

1646
01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:44,919
Speaker 2: New Zealand. I mean, while, let's talk about the oil industry.

1647
01:20:45,479 --> 01:20:48,240
Speaker 2: We heard this week that Anios is struggling and that's

1648
01:20:48,240 --> 01:20:50,720
Speaker 2: why they went off the your backs Jersey. And we

1649
01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:52,679
Speaker 2: also heard this week the BP just had a horror

1650
01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:55,160
Speaker 2: quarter and a horror year with multi billion dollar busses

1651
01:20:55,200 --> 01:20:58,120
Speaker 2: mounting up. And BP will announce the finding of a

1652
01:20:58,120 --> 01:21:00,559
Speaker 2: strategy review at the end of I think it's the

1653
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:03,720
Speaker 2: twenty sixth soon. It's widely regarded that they will be

1654
01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:07,000
Speaker 2: pulling out of their renewables investment because they're dragging the

1655
01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:10,200
Speaker 2: company down. And when that was reported, it was predictably

1656
01:21:10,240 --> 01:21:13,040
Speaker 2: greeted with a chorus of well, there you go, go, woke,

1657
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:17,160
Speaker 2: go broke. Now that's not the way the analysts see it,

1658
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:20,960
Speaker 2: and here's what they see. BP's biggest problem is that

1659
01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:24,879
Speaker 2: it's an oil company and not a renewables company. Although

1660
01:21:25,080 --> 01:21:27,120
Speaker 2: the two things are all about powering our world, the

1661
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:31,000
Speaker 2: two business models are vastly different. The renewables market is

1662
01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:33,880
Speaker 2: actually surging, and Nikola Willis said that this week, but

1663
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:37,479
Speaker 2: it doesn't have the margins or the simplicity of carbon energy,

1664
01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:39,679
Speaker 2: so it's hard to make a good business. It takes

1665
01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:42,400
Speaker 2: a different approach but even then it's really hard to

1666
01:21:42,439 --> 01:21:45,160
Speaker 2: squeeze those sorts of profits that an oil company has

1667
01:21:45,160 --> 01:21:47,679
Speaker 2: got used to. Over the last fifty to one hundred years.

1668
01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:53,880
Speaker 2: BP has been bitten by this. Before. It tried to

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01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:56,640
Speaker 2: get into fracking. It didn't work. They didn't know how

1670
01:21:56,640 --> 01:21:58,720
Speaker 2: to run a fracking company. So now they buy up

1671
01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:02,040
Speaker 2: existing fracking players because they don't know how to run

1672
01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:05,599
Speaker 2: the operation. Many decades ago, Shell tried to get into

1673
01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:09,559
Speaker 2: the coal business, and that was a total tanker. The

1674
01:22:09,800 --> 01:22:13,200
Speaker 2: advice from market analysts is that VP and other companies

1675
01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:15,559
Speaker 2: who deal in oil should just stick to their knitting.

1676
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:18,559
Speaker 2: They should keep exploring for oil. They should sell oil

1677
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:20,679
Speaker 2: because that's what they're good at, and they should leave

1678
01:22:20,720 --> 01:22:24,120
Speaker 2: renewables to other players. And if the forecasts are correct,

1679
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:27,599
Speaker 2: the oil companies will slowly shrink until a point where

1680
01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:30,479
Speaker 2: they give up drilling entirely. And at that point they

1681
01:22:30,479 --> 01:22:33,320
Speaker 2: should be milky what assets they have and returning cash

1682
01:22:33,360 --> 01:22:36,080
Speaker 2: to shareholders. That's the way to do it in business.

1683
01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:41,040
Speaker 2: This is how disruption works. Tobacco companies have learnt the

1684
01:22:41,040 --> 01:22:44,040
Speaker 2: same lesson. They are failing to get a comparative return

1685
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:46,200
Speaker 2: on vaping. They've moved away from the leaf, they've gone

1686
01:22:46,240 --> 01:22:48,720
Speaker 2: to the vape. They're not making the same money. The

1687
01:22:48,760 --> 01:22:51,280
Speaker 2: Internet has to pass the papers. We know of that one,

1688
01:22:51,439 --> 01:22:54,160
Speaker 2: and there's loads of other examples. And for a wake

1689
01:22:54,240 --> 01:22:57,240
Speaker 2: up call, Almost all the analysis I have read predict

1690
01:22:57,320 --> 01:22:59,639
Speaker 2: the end of oil companies as we know it within

1691
01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:02,720
Speaker 2: fifty the years. And that's got nothing to do with

1692
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:05,519
Speaker 2: going woke or going broke. That's got everything to do

1693
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:09,839
Speaker 2: with the fact that change is tough and so is disruption.

1694
01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:14,320
Speaker 2: It is six twenty nine. We're off to Asia very

1695
01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:16,160
Speaker 2: shortly to talk to Peter Lewis. Now we've been talking

1696
01:23:16,200 --> 01:23:18,679
Speaker 2: about this China deal with the Cook Islands, but what's

1697
01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:20,400
Speaker 2: Asia saying about it? That's next.

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Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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01:23:35,200 --> 01:23:40,080
Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Andrew dickens and there's insurance and investments,

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Speaker 10: These talks endv.

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Speaker 2: Is just feeling down.

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Speaker 27: Just make you happy.

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Speaker 2: Well, good evening to you. What I'm Andrew Dickinson for

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Speaker 2: Ryan Bridge. He's back on Monday. My favorite text of

1706
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Speaker 2: the week, very enlightened comments, Andrew. He goes on, unfortunately

1707
01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:09,719
Speaker 2: very enlightened comments. Oil companies are mining companies, cost plus business.

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01:24:10,640 --> 01:24:12,840
Speaker 2: You don't have to be that smart to run them. Yeah,

1709
01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:15,639
Speaker 2: and that is true, and I wish that I could say, yes,

1710
01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:17,920
Speaker 2: it's my enlightenment that actually brought you those comments. But

1711
01:24:17,960 --> 01:24:20,400
Speaker 2: you can read it everywhere. You can read it everywhere.

1712
01:24:20,479 --> 01:24:23,599
Speaker 2: It's out there from analysts who just look at businesses

1713
01:24:23,640 --> 01:24:27,799
Speaker 2: with the cold, hard eye and draw a rule over them. Yesterday,

1714
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:31,320
Speaker 2: we were talking about the effect of Trump tariffs on

1715
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:36,400
Speaker 2: businesses around the world, and our feller Fromfesher Funds was saying, well,

1716
01:24:36,760 --> 01:24:39,799
Speaker 2: there's a lot of businesses who are now factoring their

1717
01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:42,680
Speaker 2: earnings down now because of them. And when I said that,

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01:24:43,080 --> 01:24:45,479
Speaker 2: people started texting saying, oh, that's just an anti Trump

1719
01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:45,880
Speaker 2: ti rate.

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 2: These guys just crunch the numbers and they try to

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Speaker 2: put their politics to the side because it's all about

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Speaker 2: the money now. Inflation, this is the story of next week.

1724
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Speaker 2: Paul writes, as a food importer, I can tell you

1725
01:24:57,280 --> 01:25:02,320
Speaker 2: price increases are far from over. Reshipment prices are moving,

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01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:06,320
Speaker 2: and our exchange rate is killing us as well. This

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01:25:06,439 --> 01:25:09,360
Speaker 2: is true, and another text saying inflation is such a

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01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:12,160
Speaker 2: relative concept. Low to middle income owners will be hit

1729
01:25:12,240 --> 01:25:15,800
Speaker 2: massively by food inflation soaks up their disposable income, but

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01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:18,320
Speaker 2: high income owners who can afford debt get hit by

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01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:21,120
Speaker 2: interest rates hardest. At the same time, inflation for a

1732
01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:24,439
Speaker 2: university student is different for the inflation experience by a family,

1733
01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:27,000
Speaker 2: which is different to the inflation experience by someone nearing

1734
01:25:27,439 --> 01:25:30,200
Speaker 2: or at retirement age. And then you've got the CPI

1735
01:25:30,280 --> 01:25:33,920
Speaker 2: bucket made up of all sorts of stuff. Yes, so

1736
01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:37,520
Speaker 2: it is the complex stuff and I get that. But overall,

1737
01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:41,320
Speaker 2: the feeling is in the markets that it started to

1738
01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:43,880
Speaker 2: tick up again. It's doing it in America, and it

1739
01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:45,439
Speaker 2: could very well be doing it here because we're at

1740
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Speaker 2: the end of a supply chain. This, by the way,

1741
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Speaker 2: is next week's story, but right now it's twenty one

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01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:54,599
Speaker 2: to seven Andrew Dickens and I'm joined by Peter Lewis

1743
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Speaker 2: from Asia.

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Speaker 28: Hello.

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Speaker 2: Peter, Hello.

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Speaker 10: I'm going to.

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Speaker 2: Start with the story about Chyler and the Cook Islands

1748
01:26:00,479 --> 01:26:03,439
Speaker 2: because that's been big news in New Zealand. Because of

1749
01:26:03,439 --> 01:26:05,880
Speaker 2: course the Cook Islands, you know, it's a dependency on

1750
01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:07,800
Speaker 2: New Zealand. They're part of us, they use our New

1751
01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:10,280
Speaker 2: Zealand dollar. You know, they're supposed to talk about this.

1752
01:26:10,720 --> 01:26:13,200
Speaker 2: They went off to China to do a deal without

1753
01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:15,519
Speaker 2: telling us what the deal was, and that gave us

1754
01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:18,800
Speaker 2: all coniptions and put our noses out and joined, I

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01:26:18,920 --> 01:26:21,360
Speaker 2: wanted to know, after we've been talking about this at nauseum,

1756
01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:24,200
Speaker 2: here is Asia talking about it? And if they are,

1757
01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:24,920
Speaker 2: what are they saying?

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Speaker 29: They're not talking about it much. Maybe that will increase

1759
01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:32,839
Speaker 29: a little bit. Now that Mark Brown has actually arrived

1760
01:26:32,920 --> 01:26:35,760
Speaker 29: in China today is going to attend the closing so

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Speaker 29: Many Asian Games and.

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Speaker 10: Then he is going to meet with Premier Lee Chang So.

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Speaker 29: The Foreign Ministry said today that this was a routine

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Speaker 29: visit designed to develop cooperation between the two nations, which

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01:26:49,479 --> 01:26:52,680
Speaker 29: is what China says pretty well every time, and it

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01:26:52,760 --> 01:26:56,880
Speaker 29: says these arrangements are not these are not there to

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Speaker 29: exclude anyone else. They're purely about by relations. But of

1768
01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:06,240
Speaker 29: course we know that China loves podding countries like New Zealand,

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Speaker 29: who are seen as allies at the US in the

1770
01:27:08,280 --> 01:27:11,720
Speaker 29: ribs over things like this, and jumps at any opportunity

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Speaker 29: to develop relationships with countries that have traditionally had relationships elsewhere,

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Speaker 29: like the Cook Islands. It happened with Peru, for example.

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01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:25,479
Speaker 29: China's just opened the deep water port there so that

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Speaker 29: it can move shipped directly from Peru to China without

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Speaker 29: having to go through America.

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Speaker 10: So it does have a habit of.

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Speaker 29: Doing these things, and it also likes to present countries

1778
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Speaker 29: like the Cook Islands and other countries in the Global

1779
01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:48,440
Speaker 29: South in emerging markets that there are alternatives to relationships

1780
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Speaker 29: with countries like New Zealand, Australia, the US, and one

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Speaker 29: of them is with China, and China can be an

1782
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Speaker 29: attractive partner for these countries. So China will be fully

1783
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Speaker 29: aware of the history of the relationship with New Zealand,

1784
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Speaker 29: then it will be fully aware of how sensitive it is.

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Speaker 29: I suppose the surprising thing about this is that the

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Speaker 29: Cook Islands didn't say anything to the New Zealand governments

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Speaker 29: about what it's agreed, and we're still not totally sure

1788
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Speaker 29: what has been agreed with China.

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Speaker 10: Maybe we'll find out this week.

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Speaker 2: Well we should all hope so. But here's the thing.

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Speaker 2: Matt Brown from the Cook Islands has been talking about sovereignty,

1792
01:28:25,320 --> 01:28:27,920
Speaker 2: about cutting the apron strings with New Zealand, so you

1793
01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:30,240
Speaker 2: know this is an offer that's right there. But you

1794
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Speaker 2: say that about China building a deep water port in

1795
01:28:32,520 --> 01:28:34,880
Speaker 2: Peru They also build a deep water port in Sri

1796
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Speaker 2: Lanka and the problem is they kept some ownership there

1797
01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:39,960
Speaker 2: when that when bus they bought it up, and that's

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Speaker 2: nearest devint a military base right there beside India. So

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Speaker 2: that's the concern that we have here that you know,

1800
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Speaker 2: it's trojan horses, yep.

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Speaker 29: And it's a valid concern because this is how China operates.

1802
01:28:54,120 --> 01:28:57,200
Speaker 29: It starts off as as a sort of fairly loose

1803
01:28:57,680 --> 01:29:01,080
Speaker 29: arrangement or engagement, and then it starts to deepen over time,

1804
01:29:01,160 --> 01:29:03,800
Speaker 29: and before you know it, China's talking about opening a

1805
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Speaker 29: port in the Cook Islands, which then turns into a

1806
01:29:06,400 --> 01:29:10,080
Speaker 29: military base. This is exactly the process that has happened elsewhere.

1807
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Speaker 2: And then America wakes up and goes, how the hell

1808
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Speaker 2: did you let that happen? And we went, well, where

1809
01:29:13,840 --> 01:29:18,240
Speaker 2: were you, buddy, So that you know, and exactly speaking

1810
01:29:18,240 --> 01:29:21,679
Speaker 2: of which, Donald Trump is obviously somewhat isolationists, and he's

1811
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Speaker 2: looking and winds now and now we've got the reciprocal tariffs.

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01:29:25,360 --> 01:29:28,800
Speaker 2: So how is Asia reacting to those reciprocal tariffs that

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Speaker 2: the prison has announced earlier?

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Speaker 10: Well, with some trepidation.

1815
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Speaker 29: There's a wide range of tariffs across Asia maybe, and

1816
01:29:39,080 --> 01:29:41,240
Speaker 29: it's saying that two of the countries that could be

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01:29:41,320 --> 01:29:44,360
Speaker 29: hit the most India and Thailand, because they have a

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01:29:44,360 --> 01:29:47,519
Speaker 29: wide range of tariffs. I mean, India has on average

1819
01:29:47,560 --> 01:29:51,840
Speaker 29: about thirty three percent tariffs on goods from abroad, has

1820
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Speaker 29: one hundred percent on some goods like motorcycles. And as

1821
01:29:55,160 --> 01:29:59,240
Speaker 29: it happens, Indian Prime Minister Undra Modi is in Washington

1822
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Speaker 29: right now met with Donald Trump today to try and

1823
01:30:03,200 --> 01:30:06,879
Speaker 29: mitigate the impact of this. But Donald Trump is adamant

1824
01:30:06,960 --> 01:30:09,879
Speaker 29: even if you're a friend that he said today sometimes

1825
01:30:09,960 --> 01:30:12,840
Speaker 29: our friends are our worst enemies when it comes to trade.

1826
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Speaker 29: He is going to put these reciprocal tariffs on India,

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Speaker 29: even though he was saying he loves India, He's got

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Speaker 29: a great relationship with Neurendramodi. This is the way it's

1829
01:30:21,400 --> 01:30:24,479
Speaker 29: going to work now. One of the fears is that

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Speaker 29: let's suppose you're Japan or many goods there, they have

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Speaker 29: zero tariffs, and in fact, tariffs are very very low

1832
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Speaker 29: in places like Japan, like Singapore. But Trump is talking

1833
01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:39,160
Speaker 29: about not just assessing a country's tariffs, but what he

1834
01:30:39,200 --> 01:30:43,240
Speaker 29: says are non tariff trade barriers. So he's talking about

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Speaker 29: things like, for example, VAT. Now VAT is not a tariff,

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Speaker 29: it's not a trade impediment. It's basically a tax on

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Speaker 29: the consumer.

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Speaker 10: A tariff.

1839
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Speaker 29: You know, disadvantages are foreign exporters to the country over

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01:30:57,680 --> 01:31:00,920
Speaker 29: a domestic one. But everyone plays VA. It doesn't matter

1841
01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:04,439
Speaker 29: whether you're foreign or whether you build the product in

1842
01:31:04,479 --> 01:31:05,120
Speaker 29: that country.

1843
01:31:05,160 --> 01:31:05,920
Speaker 10: You have to pay it.

1844
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Speaker 29: But if it's going to start looking at things like

1845
01:31:09,200 --> 01:31:13,760
Speaker 29: VAT and non tarift impediments, then it means that it's

1846
01:31:13,960 --> 01:31:16,519
Speaker 29: very very uncertain as to what the rates are going

1847
01:31:16,600 --> 01:31:19,680
Speaker 29: to be that could work very widely between countries, and

1848
01:31:19,720 --> 01:31:22,320
Speaker 29: they're going to be very subjective. So this is not

1849
01:31:22,439 --> 01:31:25,360
Speaker 29: a way in which you can really develop global trade

1850
01:31:25,439 --> 01:31:29,800
Speaker 29: or bilateral trade between two countries. Companies won't want to

1851
01:31:29,800 --> 01:31:32,600
Speaker 29: invest where there's that sort of uncertainty.

1852
01:31:33,080 --> 01:31:35,080
Speaker 2: No, And of course the people who pay the VAT

1853
01:31:35,240 --> 01:31:37,519
Speaker 2: and pay the tariffs are in fact the American consumer.

1854
01:31:37,560 --> 01:31:40,839
Speaker 2: And then that adds into inflation, and of course inflation

1855
01:31:40,920 --> 01:31:43,479
Speaker 2: is already picking up in America, and so it's all

1856
01:31:43,560 --> 01:31:46,519
Speaker 2: kind of bad. But as Donald Trump says, you know,

1857
01:31:47,000 --> 01:31:48,960
Speaker 2: we're going to go for some pain, and he said that,

1858
01:31:49,120 --> 01:31:51,240
Speaker 2: and that what the pain is there it's been measurable

1859
01:31:51,280 --> 01:31:53,840
Speaker 2: as well. Hey, I got to go, but I thank you.

1860
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Speaker 2: Enjoy your weekend there as Paul lewis out of Asia.

1861
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Speaker 2: Next Kevin Gray out of the UK.

1862
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Speaker 1: Talk to Europe, closing the numbers and getting the results.

1863
01:32:01,680 --> 01:32:06,120
Speaker 1: It's henridiculous squidth of the business hour and Mayor's insurance

1864
01:32:06,200 --> 01:32:09,200
Speaker 1: and investments, Grow your wealth, protect your future.

1865
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Speaker 10: The news talks Envy.

1866
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Speaker 2: Okay, it's twelve to seven and Darsie Voldegof is only

1867
01:32:14,960 --> 01:32:17,840
Speaker 2: twelve minutes away, also the news. But right now let's

1868
01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:19,920
Speaker 2: go to the UK and talk about Europe. And it's

1869
01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:23,080
Speaker 2: Kevin Great. Good morning to Kevin, Good morning Andrew. Now

1870
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Speaker 2: it's good evening here, Good morning to you. I know

1871
01:32:27,840 --> 01:32:31,200
Speaker 2: enough is that old one? Just a horrific thing in

1872
01:32:31,320 --> 01:32:34,000
Speaker 2: Munich with the cab which drove into the crowd.

1873
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Speaker 23: What's the latest, yees so overnight here an addition to

1874
01:32:39,400 --> 01:32:41,519
Speaker 23: the number of people injured. We now believe it's at

1875
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Speaker 23: least thirty. Earlier we were told it was high twenties.

1876
01:32:44,560 --> 01:32:47,240
Speaker 23: We do believe children are included in that, and we

1877
01:32:47,320 --> 01:32:51,280
Speaker 23: do believe some are critical, but perhaps of more significance.

1878
01:32:51,320 --> 01:32:55,000
Speaker 23: We now are also being told that counter terrorism officers

1879
01:32:55,040 --> 01:32:58,120
Speaker 23: have taken over the investigation, and that we're told is

1880
01:32:58,160 --> 01:33:01,800
Speaker 23: because there are indications the suspect, a twenty four year

1881
01:33:01,800 --> 01:33:06,720
Speaker 23: old Afghan asylum seeker, had an extremist background. Now we're

1882
01:33:06,720 --> 01:33:09,040
Speaker 23: not being told what that is. That's just what it is.

1883
01:33:09,080 --> 01:33:12,160
Speaker 23: In Munich today where this happened, there is the Munich

1884
01:33:12,240 --> 01:33:17,320
Speaker 23: Security Conference. World leaders, including Volodomezelenski from Ukraine and US

1885
01:33:17,439 --> 01:33:20,080
Speaker 23: Vice President j. D. Vance are due to arrive in

1886
01:33:20,080 --> 01:33:22,840
Speaker 23: the city. Five thousand officers on duty. But as you

1887
01:33:22,880 --> 01:33:26,400
Speaker 23: can imagine, a heightened sense of tension, very very much

1888
01:33:26,439 --> 01:33:29,240
Speaker 23: so in this And what more do we know of

1889
01:33:29,280 --> 01:33:33,080
Speaker 23: the twenty four year old Afghan asylum seeker suspect. Well,

1890
01:33:33,160 --> 01:33:35,759
Speaker 23: it is reported he came to Germany in twenty sixteen

1891
01:33:35,800 --> 01:33:39,400
Speaker 23: as a minor, had his request for asylum turned down

1892
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Speaker 23: in twenty seventeen, but strangely it appears he was then

1893
01:33:43,400 --> 01:33:46,120
Speaker 23: allowed to stay in some sort of a special visa,

1894
01:33:46,120 --> 01:33:49,200
Speaker 23: which meant that everything was suspended for a while. That

1895
01:33:50,320 --> 01:33:54,400
Speaker 23: deportation order was suspended and he was in the country legally.

1896
01:33:54,439 --> 01:33:58,400
Speaker 23: Police are saying, but this is really fraught because the

1897
01:33:59,000 --> 01:34:03,559
Speaker 23: Germany goes to election polls in ten days time. And

1898
01:34:03,600 --> 01:34:07,120
Speaker 23: the far right alternative for Germany is polling high with

1899
01:34:07,240 --> 01:34:10,840
Speaker 23: one of its big policies referring to the mass deportations

1900
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Speaker 23: of immigrants.

1901
01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:15,840
Speaker 2: Yes, in these it's amazing how vehicles have suddenly become

1902
01:34:16,280 --> 01:34:20,120
Speaker 2: weapons of mass destruction for terrorists and also bad people.

1903
01:34:20,160 --> 01:34:22,960
Speaker 2: And I remember this from the nice truck in the

1904
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:25,200
Speaker 2: south of France. I had many friends here and there

1905
01:34:25,200 --> 01:34:28,519
Speaker 2: on that night. It was a horrific way to exect

1906
01:34:28,600 --> 01:34:31,840
Speaker 2: any revenes, no matter what the motivation. Now you've got

1907
01:34:31,840 --> 01:34:33,760
Speaker 2: a politician who exaggerated her CV.

1908
01:34:35,240 --> 01:34:38,920
Speaker 23: Yes, and not just any politician, our chancellor, either the

1909
01:34:39,000 --> 01:34:41,880
Speaker 23: second or third most important person in government. We were

1910
01:34:41,920 --> 01:34:44,880
Speaker 23: told when Sekir Starman took over in July that he

1911
01:34:45,000 --> 01:34:48,439
Speaker 23: was going to restore trusted politics. It's now been revealed

1912
01:34:48,760 --> 01:34:53,280
Speaker 23: that the Chancellor's own she being the Finance Minister, effectively

1913
01:34:53,439 --> 01:34:57,759
Speaker 23: the Chancellor's own curriculum vitai or resume, was full of them,

1914
01:34:57,960 --> 01:35:01,200
Speaker 23: shall say, exaggerations. She said a few times that she

1915
01:35:01,240 --> 01:35:03,240
Speaker 23: spent the best part of a decade with the Bank

1916
01:35:03,280 --> 01:35:06,080
Speaker 23: of England. She didn't. It looks like she spent six

1917
01:35:06,160 --> 01:35:09,280
Speaker 23: years there. One of those years was actually working away

1918
01:35:10,160 --> 01:35:14,639
Speaker 23: on a course for a qualification. And also it would

1919
01:35:14,640 --> 01:35:18,479
Speaker 23: appear at one point that she has rather extended other

1920
01:35:18,760 --> 01:35:23,200
Speaker 23: stays at other financial institutions and exaggerated her role within

1921
01:35:23,280 --> 01:35:26,880
Speaker 23: those institutions. So kir Starmer was asked about this our

1922
01:35:26,880 --> 01:35:29,000
Speaker 23: Prime Minister, he has always all been dealt with in

1923
01:35:29,040 --> 01:35:31,560
Speaker 23: the past etc. But as you can imagine, plenty of

1924
01:35:31,640 --> 01:35:34,920
Speaker 23: people saying, no, this isn't dealt with properly. She needs

1925
01:35:34,960 --> 01:35:38,559
Speaker 23: to be sacked and to apologize for what Summer claiming

1926
01:35:38,560 --> 01:35:43,560
Speaker 23: are deliberate lies. Her office as saying these are unfortunate

1927
01:35:43,600 --> 01:35:47,320
Speaker 23: things which she hasn't checked. Somebody else wrote her profile

1928
01:35:47,400 --> 01:35:51,120
Speaker 23: even on LinkedIn, and she didn't check it. There's also, incidentally,

1929
01:35:51,200 --> 01:35:54,360
Speaker 23: concern it would appear on one of her jobs where

1930
01:35:54,400 --> 01:35:58,519
Speaker 23: there was a probe about expenses. Again, all that's a

1931
01:35:58,520 --> 01:36:01,320
Speaker 23: bit vague. The BBC has gotten in on this and

1932
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Speaker 23: he's doing lots of investigative work.

1933
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Speaker 2: I'm just looking up in the Oxford English Dictionary what

1934
01:36:05,960 --> 01:36:09,760
Speaker 2: best part means, because you know six years she said ten,

1935
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Speaker 2: it was actually six's that's more than well, it's over

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Speaker 2: the median point. But is that the best part? What

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Speaker 2: does best pad actually mean? Oh and fancy a politician

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Speaker 2: actually exaggerating. Who would have thought, finally we can, on

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Speaker 2: this Valentine's Day here in New Zealand and just dawning

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Speaker 2: for you not talk about love. And apparently it is

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Speaker 2: much better to be in love and partnered up than

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Speaker 2: to be single.

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Speaker 23: Yes, financially so so next time you're complaining about the

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Speaker 23: cost of those roses, have a think, because in the

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Speaker 23: UK they estimate being single costs more than five thousand,

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Speaker 23: one hundred and fifty New Zealand dollars more a year.

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Speaker 23: Why well, that's because single people are generally forced to

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Speaker 23: spend about twenty two percent more on rent or mortgages

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Speaker 23: because of course there's only one person, not two. Council tax,

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Speaker 23: that's the local race. The local tax you pay energy

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Speaker 23: is twenty eight percent more because you're paying the same

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Speaker 23: amount of cost to heat a property that you are there.

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Speaker 10: Were two of you.

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Speaker 23: Thirty two percent more on broadband and phones as well,

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Speaker 23: and that really does suggest that people who are single

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Speaker 23: are finding it very expensive. I'm always mystified by those

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Speaker 23: single supplements you see on holiday, but obviously the situation

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Speaker 23: is much more difficult than that, and this incidentally is

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Speaker 23: far worse if you live in a city like London

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Speaker 23: than it might be in the countryside apparently. And I

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Speaker 23: have to say that it looks like the financial resilience

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Speaker 23: of single people is tested really throughout the lives. Forty

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Speaker 23: six percent of them have failed to save enough to

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Speaker 23: cover three months of es Central shopping, compared to just

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Speaker 23: sixteen percent of couples here in the UK.

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Speaker 2: Everything's worse than London, mate, And that's why I tell

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Speaker 2: all my mates with and they kill kids. So they're

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Speaker 2: going on the oe and they're going to go and

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Speaker 2: live in London and go have you thought about Southampton? Heykevin,

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Speaker 2: have a great week in and I thank you for

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Speaker 2: your time. Kevin Gray out of the UK.

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Speaker 1: It's the hitherto Let's see Allen Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio powered by News Talk zibby.

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Speaker 2: New s ZIB. Well, that's me and Ryan's back on Monday,

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Speaker 2: and hopefully Barry will be back on Monday as well.

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Speaker 2: After hurting himself a little bit today, couldn't come into work,

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Speaker 2: but he'll be back on Monday. And let's play some

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Speaker 2: It's some it's a Friday, let's played some music. Ants?

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Speaker 2: What is this?

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Speaker 8: My love? Don't cost a thing?

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Speaker 28: Right, Jennifer Lopez to play us out tonight because I thought,

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Speaker 28: with what Kevin was talking about and how you're financially

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Speaker 28: better off to be in a couple better, I wish

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Speaker 28: you all embrace the spirit of Valentine's Day and the

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Speaker 28: financial savings that come with that. Love don't cost a thing,

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Speaker 28: Andrew and Jalen isn't trying to tell us that at the.

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Speaker 2: Year Well asked Ben Affleck if Jennifer Lopez's love didn't

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Speaker 2: cost something, and I think you'll find a different answer.

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Speaker 2: My thanks to producing Laura, My thanks to Anthony millsitach

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Speaker 2: on the buttons, My thanks to Libby doing some of

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Speaker 2: the prep. Thank you for your company, Ryan Beck on Monday.

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Speaker 2: As I say, I'll be back on early edition. Have

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Speaker 2: a great weekend.

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Speaker 27: Okay, if I want to talk, even if you were broke,

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Speaker 27: you need not.

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Speaker 4: Leave me.

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Speaker 27: You mean, if you were broke, a comet to drugs.

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Speaker 27: Even if you were broke, my love cost me show

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Speaker 27: Even if you were broke, My love don't cost think

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Speaker 27: I want to drug take us if I'm on, even

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Speaker 27: if you were broke, my love dom Coster thing

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Speaker 1: For more from Hither Duke Lessy, Alan Drive listen live

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