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Speaker 1: We will dat ud be at us out of the

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Speaker 1: UK and ten minutes time. How amazing is this?

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Speaker 2: Okay, tomorrow, when the All Blacks run out against the Irish,

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Speaker 2: it will be the six hundred and forty ninth time

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Speaker 2: that the All Blacks play. Let's round it up, let's

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Speaker 2: say six fifty. So the All Blacks have played six

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Speaker 2: hundred and fifty times tomorrow, and three hundred and fifty

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Speaker 2: of those games will have been called by Grantners. But

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Speaker 2: is that not amazing? I mean to be fair, Okay,

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Speaker 2: it's it's kind of like it's heavily stacked nowadays because

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Speaker 2: they play a lot more than they would have, you know,

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Speaker 2: in the years when they the years before Grantners, but

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Speaker 2: it would have been few and far between, would have

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Speaker 2: been the tests and stuff. But that is pretty incredible

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Speaker 2: to be the guy who is called well over half

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Speaker 2: of the All Blacks tests. That's incredible. Seventy four years old,

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Speaker 2: so heabes more years out of Grantner's. But thanks very much.

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Speaker 2: It's funny that actually came out today because I was

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Speaker 2: when I was watching the All Blacks England game last week,

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Speaker 2: I was listening to him and I just thought I

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Speaker 2: thought to myself, geez, what are we going to do

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Speaker 2: when we don't have I don't remember a time before grants,

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Speaker 2: but that does not exist for me. Nisbo's been them

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Speaker 2: my whole life. What do we do when Lisbou retires,

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Speaker 2: when he's like, right, that's good enough, had enough of talking,

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Speaker 2: or if he got laryngitis for like a month or

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Speaker 2: something like that, what would we do? Because I tell

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Speaker 2: you what, I wouldn't want to be the guy, likely

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Speaker 2: a guy filling Nisbo's shoes, would you? I mean, geez,

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Speaker 2: times twenty three away from seven either due to see LS.

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Speaker 2: Peter Lewis, Asia Business correspondent with US Now, Hey, Peter,

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Speaker 2: good evening, Heather is Asia treating the threats of these

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Speaker 2: tariffs by Trump as real?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. I mean they've had a couple of years now

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Speaker 3: to really prepare for this. They shouldn't be surprised because

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Speaker 3: this was always on the cards that Trump was going

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Speaker 3: to win. And also he's been pretty clear about what

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Speaker 3: he's going to do. And if you thought, you know,

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Speaker 3: Trump version one was like drinking whiskey. It was diluted

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Speaker 3: with some coke. This time, you're just taking the neat whiskey.

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Speaker 3: Because the things that is talking about doing are going

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Speaker 3: to be pretty drastic. In the case of China, he's

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Speaker 3: talking about sixty percent tariffs on all Chinese imports into

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Speaker 3: as well. So some economists are saying this could knock

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Speaker 3: two and a half percentage points off of China's GDP,

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Speaker 3: and then other countries around the region could easily get

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Speaker 3: I mean, companies have started to work out how to

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Speaker 3: goods that normally go to China through other countries like Mexico,

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Speaker 3: for example. That Trump's got the measure of that, because

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Speaker 3: it's going to slap twenty percent tariffs on imports from

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Speaker 3: everywhere else. So it could be that there's no way

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Speaker 3: I say, they've had time to draw up contingency plans,

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Speaker 3: I'm absolutely certainly have. They're going to have to pour

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Speaker 3: these out of the drawer now and start acting on them.

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Speaker 2: But Peter, I mean saying Trump is in the past.

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Speaker 2: This is the argument that was made to be Trump

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Speaker 2: is in the past, said a lot of stuff, and

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Speaker 2: the world. Right. And at some point he is going

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Speaker 2: to realize that if you slap everything coming out of

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Speaker 2: So does he at some stage not actually like take

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't think he sees it that way. Last time,

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Speaker 3: big mistake and is not going to make that same

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Speaker 3: mistake this time around. Is going to surround himself with loyalists.

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Speaker 3: He could well have a clean sweep of Congress, so

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Speaker 3: literally no one to oppose him, and just a lot

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Speaker 3: who says tariffs are not inflationary, and he makes the

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Speaker 3: Trump has convinced himself and has been told by some

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Speaker 3: of his closest advisers that this is not going to

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Speaker 3: If you try and deport these millions of migrants, that's

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Speaker 3: as well. But he doesn't see any of that. Now

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Speaker 3: when the evidence comes and you do see this inflationary

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Speaker 2: Peter, what about Taiwan. Does he defend it?

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Speaker 3: Well, that's another question. I mean, there is going to

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Speaker 3: including Taiwan, Japan, South Korea. He's openly said he wants

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Speaker 3: as a transaction, as a transaction, not as America exercise

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Speaker 3: do is will protect you, and you pay and you

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Speaker 3: buy some things off of us in return. So the

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Speaker 3: big question mark is where does Taiwan fit into his thinking.

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Speaker 3: He did just recently accused Taiwan of stealing the American

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Speaker 3: chip industry. He didn't explain how Taiwan was supposed to

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Speaker 3: have done that, but he was threatening to put tariffs

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Speaker 3: on companies like Taiwan's Semiconductor, which is the biggest chip

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Speaker 3: also very much in the crosshairs. And I think in Taipei,

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Speaker 3: think they must be worried.

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Speaker 2: Geez, Actually very interesting times here, doesn't it. Peter, Thanks

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Speaker 2: very much, talk to you in a week's time. That's

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Speaker 2: Peter Lewis, Asia Business correspondent out of Hong Kong.

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