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Speaker 2: Be good afternoon, Welcome to your Friday seven after four.

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Speaker 2: Simmon Brown's on the show for I think about the

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Speaker 2: third time this is a man with a plan, third

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Speaker 2: reform health end Z. We'll look at that, and we

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Speaker 2: will look at whether Lester Levy is a part of that.

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Speaker 2: We're going to speak to the mayor of Byron Bay

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Speaker 2: Will wals More in the United States and moderflications there

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Speaker 2: are for businesses who are operating globally. And Paul Allison

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Speaker 2: Andrew Gordy on the sports Huddle today right and Bridge Bridge, Well,

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Speaker 2: now we know why all of those health end Zed

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Speaker 2: Remember that the headlines screamed health system and crisis. String

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Speaker 2: It's to do with competence. Deloitte did a report into

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Speaker 2: how health new Enz's books managed to flip flop. Remember,

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Speaker 2: space of a few months. And everyone's going scratching their

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Speaker 2: headsticking what's going on at health end Z. Well, Deloitte

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Speaker 2: It's on their website and it is one of the

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Speaker 2: You have to do stuff to make it happen, and

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Speaker 2: senior leadership team get this. They have not met in person,

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Speaker 2: after four news talk SETB. New Zealand First is taking

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Speaker 2: So where exactly is this woke left wing social engineering happening?

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Speaker 2: Are you aware of widespread DEI hires going on within

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Speaker 3: That's what's happening because they're change with those responsibilities. They

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, no. Often it's a matter of qualifications

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Speaker 2: Hey Jason, Hello Ryan, So you'll be excited about this weekend.

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Speaker 2: Do you think we can do it? I think we can.

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Speaker 2: I think we can.

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Speaker 5: It's getting to ten o'clock on Sunday night to start

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Speaker 5: with without too much anticipation, and then getting through the

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Speaker 5: But I feel like it's one worth staying up for.

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Speaker 5: You know, the black Caps are on a roll in

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Speaker 5: Take away all of that, though, I think we're a

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Speaker 2: Round four a Super Rugby this weekend. Before we chat

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Speaker 2: one game.

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Speaker 6: Set on down.

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Speaker 2: Great to be with you this Friday afternoon. Twenty four

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Speaker 2: Dan Mixicon's are US correspondent Dan Good afternoon.

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Speaker 11: Hey, good afternoon, Ryan.

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Speaker 2: So we've got to delay or a pause as he

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Speaker 11: That's good news the stock market. I was just checking

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Speaker 2: There you going. Just so everybody's clear now, and new

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Speaker 12: It's going to have to be something with a sea.

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Speaker 11: But these are people that were born between this year

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Speaker 1: Next politics was centric credit, check your customers and get

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Speaker 1: payments certainty.

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Speaker 2: Sixteen away from five News Talks. They'd be Barry Soaper,

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Speaker 2: senior political correspondent here for us. Good afternoon, Burried, good afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Right now, So rememb Bran on this program after five.

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Speaker 2: But he's been making announcing some big changes today.

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Speaker 6: Well he has been, hasn't he? And it's on the

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Speaker 6: back of that Deloitte's report and I heard your ineditorial

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Speaker 6: on it. I mean, it's incredible, isn't it. Really the

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Speaker 6: left hand didn't know what the right hand is doing,

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Speaker 6: although in this case both hands were amputated by the

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Speaker 6: sounds of things. I mean, the senior management not having

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Speaker 6: meetings for more than two years, which is extraordinary when

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Speaker 6: you think about it. Yeah, and you know, if it

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Speaker 6: was laughable, you'd say it was an orchestrated littley of laughs.

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Speaker 6: But it's not because it's not funny. We're spending I

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Speaker 6: mean this government has now committed more than sixteen billion

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Speaker 6: dollars over and above what was being spent on health

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Speaker 6: and what really have we got to show for it

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Speaker 6: at the moment. We've got a health commissioner in place,

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Speaker 6: and Simmy and Brown, you know, no matter what good

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Speaker 6: intentions health ministers have, it's a never ending bottomless pit.

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Speaker 6: There's always demands on the health system. Now simmyon Brown

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Speaker 6: seems to know what he wants. But when he talks local,

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Speaker 6: which is what he says, the going back to local,

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Speaker 6: does that mean a return to district health boards?

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Speaker 13: You need to make sure that it's nationally planned but

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Speaker 13: it's locally delivered. And the reality is when Labor centralized

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Speaker 13: Health New Zealand into a one mega entity, they took

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Speaker 13: away control, They took away decision making from local leaders

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Speaker 13: and from the districts, and that has meant that we've

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Speaker 13: ended up with an overly bureaucratic system. It's now about

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Speaker 13: decentralizing Health New Zealand, focusing it back on the districts

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Speaker 13: and giving power back to those reas so they can

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Speaker 13: make decisions and the best interests of the patients. I

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Speaker 13: want the best people who have a track record in

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Speaker 13: delivery on this board. As a thirty billion dollar organization,

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Speaker 13: it's one of the biggest organizations in the Southern Hemisphere

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Speaker 13: and every single part of that organization needs to be

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Speaker 13: focused on delivery.

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Speaker 6: Yeah it is big, but no matter what size, it

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Speaker 6: never seems to be able to hit the mark. What

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Speaker 6: I always found extraordinary, Ryan, was that the district health

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Speaker 6: boards were disbanded right at the height of COVID, where

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Speaker 6: we should have been concentrating on other things, which is

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Speaker 6: exactly about restructuring the health system.

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Speaker 2: Exactly what the then opposition was saying, Right now is

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Speaker 2: not the time, and this report makes pretty clear that

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Speaker 2: it wasn't.

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Speaker 6: It wasn't the time.

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Speaker 2: Now, Winston Peters is on One today. He's talking about DEI.

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Speaker 2: He's got the war on the woke. We've had him

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Speaker 2: on the show this afternoon. I heard the thing about this. Though.

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Speaker 2: It's very hard to prove that there is a widespread

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Speaker 2: problem with this, because how do you know why someone

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Speaker 2: was hired?

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Speaker 6: Well, that's the problem, isn't it, Because there's no hard

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Speaker 6: and fast rules, although there is expectations in the public service,

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Speaker 6: and we're constantly being told how women are disadvantaged when

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Speaker 6: compared to men. There's an interesting thing that came out today.

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Speaker 6: The teacher aides though beginning discussions across the country next week.

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Speaker 6: They are looking at taking legal action on the Equal

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Speaker 6: Pay Act, the Ministry of Education against the Ministry of

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Speaker 6: Education the review of their pay required under the Act.

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Speaker 6: They say they won an initial equity settlement in twenty twenty,

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Speaker 6: but it shows their pay now basically is seventeen percent

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Speaker 6: behind what men are doing with exactly the same skill set. Now,

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Speaker 6: that is where it is unfair. If you're doing exactly

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Speaker 6: the same jobs, you shouldn't be generally across the board

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Speaker 6: paid that much less. Than men. But there is a problem.

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Speaker 6: You when they have automatic increases, which is what they

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Speaker 6: tend to do in the public service, you've got a

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Speaker 6: problem because women leave the workforce, they have broken service

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Speaker 6: and then men, so those figures can be skewed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Thing about the pay gap, the gender pay gap

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Speaker 2: is women live longer than men. So that isn't it all?

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Speaker 2: Even out ladies lavers reshuffle today very quickly we can

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Speaker 2: run through well, not great, is it really?

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Speaker 6: I mean I found even more interesting than the reshuffle.

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Speaker 6: I mean Ginny Anderson, who of course has been accident

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Speaker 6: prone as we've seen over the past year. She's received

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Speaker 6: a new portfolio, Jobs and Incomes, and there's a new

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Speaker 6: sort of a finance team Barbarad and Edmunds. She keeps

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Speaker 6: the finance portfolio but is looking at a portfolio called

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Speaker 6: savings and investment. And guess what they've announced their two

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Speaker 6: thousand and twenty six election campaign, what they're going to

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Speaker 6: be concentrating on. Wait for it, this is a big

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Speaker 6: surprise job, Jobs, health, and homes.

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Speaker 2: Oh gosh, relationship. Exactly interesting though that they've got five

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Speaker 2: in their economy team. Five people. I mean, how many

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Speaker 2: people does it take to drive a car.

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Speaker 6: I hope they have some meetings.

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Speaker 2: In person very quickly before you go back. I have

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Speaker 2: to play this for you because I think you'll appreciate

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Speaker 2: it in the same way I do, which is my

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Speaker 2: reaction is sort of a dry reach. But this is

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Speaker 2: justin Trudeau. Oh no to the Canadian people after Trump's

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Speaker 2: coming for them with the terriffs, have listens, and I

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Speaker 2: think you didn't realize the oscars will last week. You

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Speaker 2: have a listener.

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Speaker 7: I've made sure that every single day in this office

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Speaker 7: I put Canadians first, that I have people's backs, and

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Speaker 7: that's why I'm here to tell you all we got you,

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Speaker 7: even in the very last days of this government. We

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Speaker 7: will not let Canadians down today and long into the future.

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Speaker 6: Oh please, I've seen that man at so many international

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Speaker 6: conferences that I've attended. He walks through hotel four years

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Speaker 6: leading his group of people, but walks away ahead of

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Speaker 6: them and looks side to side, hoping that people will

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Speaker 6: know who he is. A lot of people just look blankly.

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Speaker 2: I noticeo's that weirdo?

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Speaker 6: Yeah? Who is it? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Well he won't be there much longer, will he? Thank

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Speaker 2: you for that? Very Soper Senior political correspondent and the

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Speaker 2: way he says in the last days of my government,

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Speaker 2: like they're ring back Pierre his dad. Well, exactly, exactly,

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Speaker 2: quite right. It has just gone ten away from five

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Speaker 2: news talk said, b don't forget some men brown after

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Speaker 2: five and we'll also look at the Fijian drawer. What

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Speaker 2: exactly happened? This is after five point thirty. What exactly

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Speaker 2: happened when they got to the airport to try and

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Speaker 2: play the hurricanes?

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Speaker 1: Digging into the issues that affect you on my Hosking breakfast.

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Speaker 14: So, no, the airline is not in great shape. It

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Speaker 14: is at best okay, And no, this doesn't look like

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Speaker 14: a job completed in any way, shape or form. It

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Speaker 14: looked like a fairly dull old the bear, didn't it.

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Speaker 14: The handful of people sitting on cheek chairs in a

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Speaker 14: room and Phil looked like cheese. I got a three

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Speaker 14: afternoon I might go along and ask it. They had

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Speaker 14: that vibe about it, didn't It really didn't need to

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Speaker 14: be the career ending mess that it.

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Speaker 2: Turned out to be.

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Speaker 14: So no terrifts at all on anything for Mexico. Canada

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Speaker 14: is still in the gun. The agriculture has been moved on.

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Speaker 14: Maybe maybe not, but yesterday we got the cars. Who

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Speaker 14: the hell knows what's going on? Back Monday from six

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Speaker 14: am the Mike Hosking breakfast with the rain driver.

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Speaker 2: The last News Talk said be it is six minutes

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Speaker 2: away from five. News Talk said, be great to have

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Speaker 2: your company this afternoon. Nine two nine tiers number to

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Speaker 2: text now and wanted to share this with you from

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Speaker 2: Jason Walls, who's a man in Parliament. This is how

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Speaker 2: much the Reserve Bank's little soiree cost us. This is

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Speaker 2: the one they held yesterday and the day before, the

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Speaker 2: one that Adrian or was meant to be chairing. Remember

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Speaker 2: he was meant to be the mate, well not the

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Speaker 2: main attraction that's been Bananky, but he was meant to

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Speaker 2: be there at the very least. So he's asked how

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Speaker 2: much did it co? This is for the sixth and

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Speaker 2: the seventh of March. Total cost is one hundred thousand dollars.

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Speaker 2: Well let's break that down, showing they have Banankes flights

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Speaker 2: fifteen thousand, his incidents incidentals I should say one thousand dollars.

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Speaker 2: There were separate flights worth twenty thousand, with hotels and

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Speaker 2: incidentals three thousand, four hundred. Then you've got to hire

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Speaker 2: to Papa thirteen grand. Then you've got to do your

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Speaker 2: av and your live streaming and your lighting eighteen grand,

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Speaker 2: advertising call seven hundred dollars. So it all starts to

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Speaker 2: add up, and by the end of it it's one

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Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars. And Adrian or didn't even God say

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Speaker 2: there would have been an extra meal, no doubt. Sitting

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Speaker 2: there Uneaten it is five to five news talks the

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Speaker 2: b raying bread. Now the Pope is doing better, although

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Speaker 2: they've released him audio of the me and he doesn't

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Speaker 2: sound you. A box of birds have listened to it.

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Speaker 2: This is the pont if he's been three weeks in hospital.

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Speaker 2: Now some quite labored breathing being heard. You will, of

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Speaker 2: course hear this in his native Spanish because he's art Tinian,

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Speaker 2: but it'll be translated.

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Speaker 15: I thank you from the bottom of my heart for

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Speaker 15: your prayers for my health. From the square. I am

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Speaker 15: with you from here. May God bless you and the

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Speaker 15: Virgin protect you. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: There you go. So there's still people praying. They're very

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Speaker 2: commissioned bunch, aren't they. The Catholics still praying outside St.

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Speaker 2: Peters Square every evening and every morning in the hope

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Speaker 2: that he recovers quickly. And it sounds like he is

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Speaker 2: making a recovery, but it is a very very slow.

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Speaker 2: One time now is four minutes away from five o'clock.

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Speaker 2: After five, we're going to get to Simeon Brown. He's

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Speaker 2: in charge of health and looks like Lester Levy is

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Speaker 2: going to be pushed aside or at least sidelined. He'll

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Speaker 2: still be around for a transition phase. But they're bringing

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Speaker 2: back the Board of Health in z which is probably

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Speaker 2: long over due. He's starting to make his own mark,

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Speaker 2: stamp his own mark on this organization. And what he'll

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Speaker 2: be wanting to do is get a few runs on

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Speaker 2: the board, get the organization structure right, pay some private

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Speaker 2: hospitals to take some operations off our hands, thank you

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Speaker 2: very much, and then get the hell out of Dodge.

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Speaker 2: Because you don't want to hold on to it's like

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Speaker 2: a hot potato, a ticking time bomb. You don't want

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Speaker 2: to hold on to Health for too long, otherwise it'll

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Speaker 2: just blow up in your hands. Four minutes away from five,

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Speaker 2: you're on news talks. There'd be he's next. We're also

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Speaker 2: going to head to a Queensland. But we're going to

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Speaker 2: Byron Bay the mirrors with us for the latest latest

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Speaker 2: there on Alfred.

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Speaker 4: Why I could callup boney Jan, we could break it

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Speaker 4: in if you know what I.

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Speaker 8: Mean, put some.

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Speaker 4: Everywherey and m just do me drug good callump biney Jan.

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Speaker 4: We can break in if you know what I mean,

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Speaker 4: Person where person Mason.

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Speaker 1: Questions, answers, facts analysis, the drive show you trust for

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Speaker 1: the full picture. Brian Bridge on Heather dupic allan drive

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Speaker 1: with one New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

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Speaker 2: That'd be good evening at a seven half to five.

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Speaker 2: We're live tracking cyclone Alfred in just a second right

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Speaker 2: now though, the Health in z board is coming back.

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Speaker 2: This is eight months after they got rid of it.

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Speaker 2: Lest Levy of course replaced the old board. Well he'll

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Speaker 2: be the next to go. Simon Brown's the Health minister,

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Speaker 2: Home minister you good, thank you. So Lester Levy's gone.

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Speaker 13: Well, we're going to be replacing the commission with a

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Speaker 13: board from the end of the commission, which ends an

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Speaker 13: end of July. Expect Lester will continue to have a

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Speaker 13: role beyond that. We do to ensure we have a

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Speaker 13: successful transition in order to make sure that his knowledge

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Speaker 13: and also is able to be transferred across it's the biggest,

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Speaker 13: one of the biggest organizations in the Southern Hemisphere, so

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Speaker 13: it's critically important that we have a successful transition. But

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Speaker 13: what we're announcing today is that we're going back to

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Speaker 13: more traditional governance so we can focus the organization and

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Speaker 13: make sure it's working for patients across the country.

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Speaker 2: I've read this Deloitte report. It's absolutely damning. They basically

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Speaker 2: didn't know who was Arthur or Martha when it comes

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Speaker 2: to finances, hence the problems. When you say going back

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Speaker 2: to a local model, does you don't mean DHBs? What

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Speaker 2: do they exhalt? What does it look like?

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Speaker 13: So what it's about its having nationally a nationally consistent model,

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Speaker 13: locally delivered with clear financial plans in place, clear financial

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Speaker 13: output budgets, what's going to be happening in each district,

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Speaker 13: and the national organization is holding those holding each part

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Speaker 13: of the organization accountable to deliver against that with proper

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Speaker 13: financial controls in place.

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Speaker 2: Organization who's in charge of the of the local areas

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Speaker 2: like they're going to be quasi HB boards.

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Speaker 13: Well, now the organizations working is already in the process

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Speaker 13: of devolving into.

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Speaker 2: Four regions, right, Okay.

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Speaker 13: There there's regional leadership for each of those regions.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so they'll do established the hold.

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Speaker 13: The districts to account underneath that, and it's about just

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Speaker 13: putting in place good financial accountabilities, delivery plans, to output plans,

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Speaker 13: all of the things that that Deloitte report has shown

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Speaker 13: we're missing. Putting that in place so we can focus

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Speaker 13: every part of Health New Zealand on delivering for patients good.

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Speaker 2: It sounds like they need it now. The private hospital

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Speaker 2: is the use of private hospitals. You're gonna put fifty

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Speaker 2: million dollars in over six months. That will clear ten

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Speaker 2: thousand hopefully at the backlog of the procedures are we

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Speaker 2: not doing. We already do that. We do contract with

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Speaker 2: the private section. We're changing.

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Speaker 13: Well, we do it at a very ad hoc level. Basically,

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Speaker 13: it's done on very short term arrangements. I want this

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Speaker 13: is I want to move to longer term arrangements, probably

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Speaker 13: three year contras, where we actually manage to get value

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Speaker 13: for money and we're able to plan better for the

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Speaker 13: workforce between the public system and the private system as well.

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Speaker 13: And there's huge efficiencies that can be gained. The reality

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Speaker 13: is our hospitals are doing both what's called acute care

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Speaker 13: when someone turns up and out of an accident or

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Speaker 13: something that can often disrupt the plan care, which is

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Speaker 13: the elective surgeries. And what I'd like to see is

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Speaker 13: over the long term formal that can here being done

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Speaker 13: by the private sector, just like how acc does it,

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Speaker 13: so we're able to maximize the efficiency of our health

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Speaker 13: system and get the best outcomes of patients. And I

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Speaker 13: don't think patients really care who's delivering the health care.

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Speaker 13: They just want to know that it's that they can

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Speaker 13: get the access they need in a timely manner.

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Speaker 2: The unions, of course, have come out and they worried

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Speaker 2: already because I suppose there is an argument to be

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Speaker 2: made if you're using private hospitals more and you're giving

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Speaker 2: them a certainty of work, three year planning, etc. Then

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Speaker 2: you might start to hollow out your public hospitals.

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Speaker 13: I understand the concern, and that's why I've also asked

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Speaker 13: Health New Zealand to work to come to put together

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Speaker 13: a memorand of understanding and a partnership approach between public

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Speaker 13: and private to make sure that we're looking at how

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Speaker 13: we can share workforces appropriately, manage training and also potentially

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Speaker 13: look at joint recruitments. The reality is we need to

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Speaker 13: see our health workforces competing with Australia rather than competing

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Speaker 13: amongst ourselves. And that's the approach I want to see

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Speaker 13: our health system taking here in New Zealand already started

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Speaker 13: and I think that's really important, so we actually grow

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Speaker 13: and develop our workforce together rather than just simply take

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Speaker 13: the ad hoc approach that's been done in the past.

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Speaker 2: All right, minister, appreciate your time. Thank you for that.

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Speaker 2: Simon Brown, who's the Health minister. Time is eleven after

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Speaker 2: five Bryant Bridge. So we're tracking cyclone Alfred heading towards Queensland.

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Speaker 2: Four million people now apparently are going to be directly affected.

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Speaker 2: According to the latest numbers. A number of towns have

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Speaker 2: already been fully evacuated, thousands of without power. Sarah Jai

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Speaker 2: is the Byron Bay Men. She's with us live. Sarah,

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Speaker 2: hello to you. You're in a briefing at the moment,

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Speaker 2: so we'll keep this quick. But what are you expecting

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Speaker 2: with a cyclone?

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Speaker 16: And we don't usually get them. We don't know what

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Speaker 16: to expect with the weather. All we can do is

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Speaker 16: prepare the best we can. But already the river's bulging,

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Speaker 16: the swell is monstrous. We're having, you know, lots of

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Speaker 16: the sands just being washed away all along and lots

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Speaker 16: of erosion. It hasn't even hit us yet and it

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Speaker 16: hasn't made landfall. We've had big us win lots of

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Speaker 16: trees over But really at the moment, it's all about

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Speaker 16: preparing and making sure we're as ready as we can be.

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Speaker 16: We do have lots of evacuation orders for the low

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Speaker 16: lying areas in those coastal communities, and that's you know,

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Speaker 16: a big concern I guess is the wind speeds and

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Speaker 16: the potential for trees coming out from that sodden soil

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Speaker 16: and any kind of breaches of the for those low

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Speaker 16: lying areas close to the sea.

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Speaker 2: Because yeah, because it's slowing down, does that mean that

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Speaker 2: there's going to be more damageor are you expecting more

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Speaker 2: damage because of that?

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Speaker 16: Look, it's really.

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Speaker 2: Hard to tell it.

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Speaker 16: I have heard that it may slow down to the

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Speaker 16: point that it becomes a Category one by the time

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Speaker 16: it makes landfall, which sounds good at face value, but

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Speaker 16: apparently it can mean that the rain stays longer, which

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Speaker 16: is just not something that we can cope with in

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Speaker 16: our catchments. At the moment, we do already have power

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Speaker 16: out and a lot of that won't be able to

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Speaker 16: be fixed until the event is over, which could be

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Speaker 16: for another you know, twenty four, forty eight or even

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Speaker 16: seventy two hours.

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Speaker 2: Is everyone listening to you, Sarah and your instructions, or

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Speaker 2: if you've got idiots doing dumb stuff.

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Speaker 16: Look, I there aren't many people on the roads, which

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Speaker 16: is great. You know, ultimately we want everyone safe. We

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Speaker 16: want a zero loss of life is what you want

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Speaker 16: to aim for. And so when people are going out

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Speaker 16: surfing monsters swells, as fun and amazing as that may be,

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Speaker 16: it's pretty frightening because it's so unpredictable out there, and

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Speaker 16: you know, choppers can't go in to save people. There's

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Speaker 16: no services. People driving through floodwater. We know last time

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Speaker 16: in twenty twenty two, you know, there were bridges and

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Speaker 16: causeways that had been completely taken out and you would

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Speaker 16: not have known if you looked at the water, and

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Speaker 16: you just never can tell. So not driving through floodwaters

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Speaker 16: and not taking risks, staying inside and bunkering down, I

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Speaker 16: think is the best thing that one can do if

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Speaker 16: you've still got power, make yourself a coffee and stick

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Speaker 16: it in a thermos for later downloads of Netflix, because

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Speaker 16: you're going to need it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like it's Sarah, you take care, look

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Speaker 2: after yourself. Sarah Njai, who's the Byron Baimea on cycling

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Speaker 2: Alfred fourteen after five Bridge Laborly the Crssipkins came out

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Speaker 2: today and did a bit of a reshuffle. So what's

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Speaker 2: going on here is basic. He's seen Luxen is not

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Speaker 2: doing particularly well in the last couple of polls. Luxein's

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Speaker 2: had a hard couple of weeks or a hard week,

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Speaker 2: and so he's coming out and saying I'm your guy,

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Speaker 2: I can be your guy next year. I am credible,

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Speaker 2: and I'm going to put a lot of focus on

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Speaker 2: the economy. So he's come up despite criticizing Luxon by

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Speaker 2: the way for coming up with the one economic growth portfolio,

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Speaker 2: he's come up now with a team of five covering

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Speaker 2: the economy. So you've got Barbara Edmonds on finance, economy, savings, investment,

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Speaker 2: You've got Ginny Anderson in there on jobs and incomes.

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Speaker 2: Penny Henade on economic development, Kushler Tangay Manuel on MALDI economy,

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Speaker 2: and then Reuben Davidson on science, innovation, technology broadcasting in

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Speaker 2: the creative economy. Honestly, how many can you have? This

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Speaker 2: reeks to me of you know five MP's for the

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Speaker 2: economy means everybody and nobody is responsible. Did you know

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Speaker 2: we have eighty portfolios in New Zealand. In Ireland they

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Speaker 2: have fifteen or seventeen. Why do we have so many?

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Speaker 2: Do we need them? That's the question quarter past five

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Speaker 2: to describe dying were kick the bucket, passed away, pushing

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Speaker 2: with Living Ryan Bridge News Talks. They have been nineteen

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Speaker 2: after five. This is the trailer of what is shaping

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Speaker 2: up to be one of the best films to come

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Speaker 2: out of New Zealand in the last few years.

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Speaker 17: Well is this.

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Speaker 10: There are a bunch of spoiled Bridge kids that have

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Speaker 10: everything they could ever want.

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Speaker 2: You don't know them.

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Speaker 15: You can't just throw some Sunday school group together and comeboy, are.

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Speaker 2: You felt that I could give these kids something? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's pretty good. The name is Tina and it is

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Speaker 2: also far earned more than a million dollars, ranking as

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Speaker 2: the third biggest opening weekend for a New Zealand film.

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Speaker 2: It's also setting a record for the widest KIWI release,

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Speaker 2: heading one hundred and twenty eight locations in New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: So Far and beyond. Meka Munga Seva is the TENA director.

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Speaker 2: He's with me this evening. Hi, Mikya, thank you so

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Speaker 2: much for having me. How are you feeling? This is

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Speaker 2: excellent news.

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Speaker 18: We've been overwhelmed by the support. We just feel I

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Speaker 18: just I feel like it's a dream come true. So

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Speaker 18: we're just so so happy.

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Speaker 2: It's a story about a teacher who an educator who's

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Speaker 2: in christ Church. Tina is her name, and where everyone's

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Speaker 2: falling in love with her because she's lost a daughter

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Speaker 2: in the christ Church earthquakes. She's kind of down and

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Speaker 2: out and she takes on this job and basically teaches

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Speaker 2: a choir not just to sing, but to love and

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Speaker 2: do all sorts of other things at this elite private school.

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Speaker 2: What is it about this film that you think is

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Speaker 2: connecting with people or people are connecting with.

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Speaker 18: Well, I feel like everybody has somebody in their lives

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Speaker 18: who has been a bit like that, who has been

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Speaker 18: a mentor to them, who has guided them and doesn't

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Speaker 18: have to be the appearance necessarily, and that's sort of

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Speaker 18: where the teacher role comes in. That we've always had

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Speaker 18: somebody who's mentored who we've fallen in love with that

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Speaker 18: has guided us and whatever career path that we've gotten into,

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Speaker 18: and has inspired us outside of our own parents. And

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Speaker 18: although this is you know, cortinar and it is about

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Speaker 18: parenting and guidance, I think everybody can, you know, respond

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Speaker 18: to it because everybody has had some sort of inspirational

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Speaker 18: leader that they can turn to.

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Speaker 2: And remember, Miki, are the middle aged woman just leaving

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Speaker 2: the cinema crying in their drives?

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Speaker 18: Oh look, I tell you what there have been, but

869
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Speaker 18: I might just add to that there there have also

870
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Speaker 18: been men quietly crying in the corner there. I actually

871
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Speaker 18: had my sister had a friend who said, I took

872
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Speaker 18: my dad. He never ever cries. He's a very staunch

873
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Speaker 18: white man, and yet he cry. I could hear him going.

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Speaker 2: So I love that there's a lot of talk to

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Speaker 2: the oscars about the fact no one's going to the

876
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Speaker 2: cinemas anymore. Clearly you've got them there. Do you think

877
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Speaker 2: there's something wrong with the cinema, the price, or is

878
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Speaker 2: it that we're not making enough movies like this?

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Speaker 18: I think it's a combination of all of those things perhaps,

880
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:20,879
Speaker 18: and that it is tough times for everyone at the moment.

881
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Speaker 18: I recognize that ticket prices are very high, but also

882
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Speaker 18: recognize that it's a part of the economy that's happening

883
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Speaker 18: at the moment. There's larger things that play here. But

884
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Speaker 18: I also feel like that some of the old films

885
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Speaker 18: that we absolutely loved as children, we've gone away from

886
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Speaker 18: and I've tried to bring a lot of that back,

887
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Speaker 18: and we've heard a lot of commentary about you know,

888
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Speaker 18: these are working on the same tropes, and these are

889
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Speaker 18: the same sort of things we've seen before and lots

890
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Speaker 18: of other movies, and I a part of me loves

891
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Speaker 18: that because it's exactly what I intended for film. It's

892
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Speaker 18: what I grew up with and I absolutely loved and

893
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Speaker 18: I show my son old movies all the time and

894
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Speaker 18: he loves all of them. So, you know, I think

895
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Speaker 18: we should look to our past with regards to filmmaking

896
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Speaker 18: and stories and tap on all of those things that

897
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Speaker 18: we loved as children. And just because we've been through

898
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Speaker 18: it before, it doesn't necessarily mean our children have seen

899
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Speaker 18: these films before, So we should tap into a bit

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Speaker 18: of that.

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Speaker 2: Really nicely put thank you so much. I really appreciate it.

902
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Speaker 2: And I just realized, I said, Tina, but it's Tina.

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Speaker 2: Is that how you pronounce that? Yeah, I'll make sure

904
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Speaker 2: to do that right.

905
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Speaker 18: It's Tina. It's Sarmon in translation as mother. Her character

906
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Speaker 18: name is Mareta Percival, but really speaks to being a

907
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Speaker 18: mother and someon culture. We call all of our inspirational

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Speaker 18: leaders who are females.

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Speaker 2: Tina.

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Speaker 17: That you go.

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Speaker 2: Mickey mung Aciva, thank you very much for your time

912
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Speaker 2: director of Tena, which is out in cinemas now doing

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Speaker 2: very very well. So important to go and to celebrate

914
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Speaker 2: New Zealand cinema, especially if it's good, which it sounds

915
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Speaker 2: like it is. Kelly says, absolutely loved it. Suzie says,

916
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Speaker 2: I've seen it twice already. Good on you, Suzi. Twenty

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Speaker 2: four after five news talks, he'd be the Feeder and

918
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Speaker 2: Fijian Drawer and their travel woes coming up after the news.

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Speaker 1: Getting the facts, discarding the fluff. It's Ryan Bridge on

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Speaker 1: Heather dubis allan drive with one New Zealand let's get

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Speaker 1: connected news talks.

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Speaker 2: They'd be five twenty seven. Everyone around the world is

923
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Speaker 2: trying to figure out what on earth is Donald Trump

924
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Speaker 2: going to cost me? What are the tariffs that he's

925
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Speaker 2: putting on Canada and Mexico and potentially our agricultural exports

926
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Speaker 2: come April. What are they going to cost us? And

927
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Speaker 2: the Europeans have somewhat come up with an answer today.

928
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Speaker 2: So the European Central Bank has cut their interest rates.

929
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Speaker 2: They've cut a quarter of a percent down to two

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Speaker 2: point five now, and what they've also updated us on

931
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Speaker 2: is their growth forecasts. So for twenty twenty five they

932
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Speaker 2: have downgraded growth from one point one percent, which wasn't

933
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Speaker 2: that great to begin with, but better than a punch

934
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Speaker 2: in the eye and poke in the eye one point

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Speaker 2: one percent down to zero point nine percent, so point

936
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Speaker 2: two percent drop in growth, and they're putting this largely

937
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Speaker 2: down to the impacts of a trade war. For twenty

938
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Speaker 2: twenty six, down from one point four percent to one

939
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Speaker 2: point two percent, so roughly the same there. Now you

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Speaker 2: might be asking yourself, well, surely they'll be cutting their

941
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Speaker 2: interest rates further if they've chopped puff a quarter of

942
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Speaker 2: a percent off to day down to two point five

943
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Speaker 2: and they're worried about growth, Well no, because they're still

944
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Speaker 2: worrying they're about inflation. In fact, they actually lifted their

945
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Speaker 2: inflation forecast from two point one to two point three,

946
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Speaker 2: and that is because energy costs are still going up

947
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Speaker 2: there and there's a lot of uncertainty about the potential

948
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Speaker 2: for a deal or maybe no deal with Ukraine, so

949
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Speaker 2: that is pushing on their inflation worries. So you've got

950
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Speaker 2: low growth plus you've got inflation, and that's stagflation. You're

951
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 2: heading on a nasty, dirty road towards stagflation, which is

952
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Speaker 2: a worry for them in Europe. Twenty nine After five

953
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Speaker 2: Ryan Bridge, we'll talk to Stephen Jacobe about the trade walls,

954
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 2: after Sex by the Way, and after the news at

955
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Speaker 2: five point thirty it's the Fiji and Drew who left

956
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 2: them high and dry basically on the tarmac once they

957
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 2: got off the plane to play in Napier And why

958
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 2: couldn't they check out late before the big game? We're

959
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 2: live to Fiji and then the sports huddle here on

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Speaker 2: News Talk said bit year, how.

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Speaker 8: Much you'll read.

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Speaker 1: Pudding, the challenging questions to the people at the heart

963
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Speaker 1: of the story. It's Ryan Bridge on Hither Dupless Ellen

964
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Speaker 1: Drive with One New Zealand let's get connected News Talk Savo.

965
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to your Friday. It is twenty three

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Speaker 2: minutes away from six to a half six. Stephen Jacobe

967
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,320
Speaker 2: will talk to him about the trade wars with Trump

968
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 2: and what does it mean when he pushes go and

969
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,439
Speaker 2: then pushes pause, and then pushes go and then pushes pause.

970
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 2: What does it do for confidence? And Barry Soaper wraps

971
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 2: the political week. It's all ahead here on news Talk

972
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 2: STB Bryan Bridge. Confusion is brewing around a photo on

973
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Speaker 2: social media of the Fijian draw A super rugby team.

974
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 2: It shows the team piled into the back of a

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Speaker 2: luggage truck after their arrival in Auckland last month. Now

976
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 2: officials are blaming a breakdown in communication that led to

977
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:33,399
Speaker 2: their bus not arriving. This is before they played a game.

978
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Speaker 2: Indura Singh is the FBC sports journalist with us this afternoon,

979
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Good evening, Andrew, thanks for being with me.

980
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Speaker 2: What is the team saying about this?

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Speaker 17: Well, look on the eve of a massive clash against

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Speaker 17: the Chiefs in law TALKA. It's been more or less

983
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Speaker 17: always shaded by what says transpired over the last couple

984
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Speaker 17: of days. Ryan initially coach Glenn Jackson Jacko Heads, said

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Speaker 17: that they had faced some issues as they arrived into

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Speaker 17: Auckland to play to go on to Napier to play

987
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Speaker 17: the Canes. That's all he said that he's a weekly

988
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Speaker 17: press conference. But as of yesterday we've seen that media

989
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 17: outlet in Australia has published a photo which shows that

990
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 17: the Fijian drew were actually in the back of a

991
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 17: truck heading from Auckland to a hotel they were stayed

992
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Speaker 17: in for the night before flying out to Napier the

993
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Speaker 17: next morning. Mind you, the Drewer franchise is saying they

994
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Speaker 17: are satisfied what is transpired in terms of the action

995
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Speaker 17: taken by Super Rugby specific but the question that still

996
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:39,720
Speaker 17: lingers on is what actually happened.

997
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, we still don't really no other than the bus

998
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:44,479
Speaker 2: wasn't there and they jumped into the back of the truck.

999
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 2: And then the next day it gets even worse when

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Speaker 2: they're in actually make it to Napier, the hotel, the Hurricane,

1001
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:52,800
Speaker 2: they're all at the same hotel. The Hurricanes get to

1002
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,320
Speaker 2: check out late and then go to the game and

1003
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Speaker 2: they have to check out on time. What's up with that?

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00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 17: Speaking to a couple of closed sources within right within

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Speaker 17: the Drewer franchise, the only disappointment at the moment they

1006
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Speaker 17: have with the Canes is that they did not get tickets,

1007
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Speaker 17: which which would have put their families and friends in

1008
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Speaker 17: a better place in Napier. They had to resort to

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00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 17: sitting out on the embankment. That's what we've been told

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00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 17: the hotel. Yes, they were told to check out early,

1011
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 17: and they claimed that the Canes checked out you know,

1012
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 17: later on, and they were allowed to do that. Was

1013
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 17: it mind games? Well, it was it favoritism. Nothing forthcoming

1014
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 17: as yet. But I think the biggest, biggest question that

1015
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Speaker 17: arises here is what the Drew Drewer camp is saying

1016
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Speaker 17: is when the teams visit Fiji, and even this was

1017
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Speaker 17: with the chiefs arrival, they get police ears Scots and

1018
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Speaker 17: they got the best busses and they get transported to

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00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 17: hotels and things like that. But in this instance, landing

1020
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Speaker 17: in Auckland and getting into the back of a truck

1021
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 17: reminds you. We did ask the question why did they

1022
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 17: get onto the truck because if they wanted, they could

1023
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 17: have refused, but we've been told that they had to

1024
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Speaker 17: get on and get based the rest. If not, they

1025
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Speaker 17: would have missed the flight next morning to Napier and

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Speaker 17: perhaps are forfeited the game.

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00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:12,800
Speaker 2: Against the Canes.

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00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 17: We should have been even a bigger disaster.

1029
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,399
Speaker 2: I mean obviously not a legal thing to do either,

1030
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 2: And thanks for running us through that interesting interesting FBC

1031
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,800
Speaker 2: sports journalist. It's twenty to six.

1032
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 1: The Friday Sports title with New Zealand Southurdy's international realty.

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Speaker 1: Find your one of the.

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Speaker 19: Kind paster puts in American first NURL game since around

1035
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Speaker 19: twenty seven, twenty twenty three is on the board and.

1036
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Speaker 20: The handshakes will do belong to New Zealand.

1037
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 21: Here they have won this semi final vote fifty runs.

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Speaker 10: It will be the third final in the last six

1039
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Speaker 10: icy See wine ball tournaments.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I think this is as tough for sure, tougher,

1041
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 5: tougher flavor for me, tougher matchup than Dan Hooker was,

1042
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 5: I mean busy of his one hundred percent, you know,

1043
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 5: top of the game.

1044
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Speaker 2: Sports huddle time, Andrew Gordy sports commentators here. Hey Gordy mate,

1045
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,240
Speaker 2: how I thank you, good to see you. Paul Allison's

1046
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 2: here with us two News talk z best rugby commentator

1047
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 2: Paul Good evening, Can I Ryan? Now let's say, Andrew mate,

1048
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 2: let's up with the Fijian drewer. Paul were you. I mean,

1049
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 2: that doesn't sound great. I mean, we obviously don't know.

1050
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 2: I don't think it was a tactic from anyone to

1051
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 2: try and put them off their game or anything. But

1052
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 2: it's it's not great hospitality, is it.

1053
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 8: Someone's dropped the ball on this one big time. I

1054
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 8: think it's it's really an embarrassment in terms of what

1055
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 8: they've had to go through. If what we're hearing through

1056
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 8: the Great Buyner is correct. The fact that someone had

1057
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 8: canceled the bus. I heard that the bus what I

1058
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 8: read originally with the bus was ordered, then someone's canceled it.

1059
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 8: Who's actually canceled it? Was it a member of the

1060
00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 8: Fijian management team? Was it a member of the bus company.

1061
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 8: We've got a to the bottom of this. The fact

1062
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 8: that they checked into the hotel and one of their

1063
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 8: rooms weren't ready, The fact that they had to get

1064
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 8: out of the hotel early. I mean, it's just a

1065
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 8: chapter of eras. And the reason they didn't wait for

1066
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 8: the bus. As I understand it, it was three hour

1067
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 8: wait for them. So the guys needed after the fight

1068
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 8: from overseas, need to get to the hotel, rest up

1069
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 8: and then get to themselves to nap. To the next day.

1070
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:24,319
Speaker 8: So this is a really embarrassing situation where the blame lies.

1071
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 8: I guess we'll have to wait and see whether it

1072
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 8: was poor organization at the drawer end or whether it

1073
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:32,840
Speaker 8: was logistically a logistical era at the New Zealand. And

1074
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:35,320
Speaker 8: if it was, they need to fix that up because

1075
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 8: this is really poor in a professional rugby environment.

1076
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 22: Big question for me, why did they get on the

1077
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 22: back of a truck?

1078
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 2: Ryan?

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Speaker 22: If you and I arrived and to walkland the airport

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00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 22: now uber had been canceled, would you and I get

1081
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:49,399
Speaker 22: into the back of a truck? The answer is no, Mate,

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00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 22: The answer is dead.

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00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:52,760
Speaker 2: There's lots of them. There's lots of them, so waiting

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00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 2: China sought out twenty individual ubers would be quite difficult.

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00:56:57,560 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 22: Yeah, but okay, let's put another scenario to get the

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00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 22: Let's say the war retars arrive into Auckland and they've

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00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 22: got to travel down to Napier. Do you think the

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00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:06,840
Speaker 22: warritars are getting onto the back of a truck? Do

1089
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 22: you think any Why do they get onto the back

1090
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 22: of a truck? It makes absolutely no sense. And we

1091
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 22: can talk about how unprofessional it is, and you're absolutely right.

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00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 22: We need to ask, and we need to answer that question.

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00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 22: Who canceled the bus. That's a fair question that needs answering.

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00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 22: I've got more questions as well about the preferential treatment

1095
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 22: with the late checkout. That's that's not right.

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Speaker 2: That's not auful lot, because that's before they played too.

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Speaker 22: Right, that's exactly right. So any any kind of that's

1098
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 22: not on any instance we have or feeling we have

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00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 22: that a New Zealand team is getting preferential treatment over

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Speaker 22: a visitor. It's a dreadful lock. I just want to

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Speaker 22: see some accountability here. Can someone put their hand up?

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Speaker 2: Andrew Gordon, I.

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Speaker 8: Don't think it was a big I don't think it

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00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 8: was a big bus ride that they had on the

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00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 8: back of the luggage vand I think it was only

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00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 8: from the airport to the hotel in Auckland for the

1107
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 8: overnight stay. But even so, it's still not a good

1108
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 8: lot and those questions need to be answered. And let's

1109
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 8: let's hope we get a very transparent investigation into this

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Speaker 8: so that it doesn't happen again.

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Speaker 22: Even if it is to the hotel. Bridges not getting

1112
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 22: into the back of a truck way.

1113
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 2: On God's green Earth. Thought i'd be getting in the

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00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 2: back of the truck and maybe this is actually just

1115
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 2: the tip of the iceberg. This is just the tourist

1116
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 2: experience people get now.

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00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 6: And they welcome to Walkland.

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00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 2: No wonder we're not back to pre COVID. Andrew Gordy

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00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 2: Paul Allison on the Sports Huddle.

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Speaker 1: The Friday Sports Tuddle with New Zealand Southeast International real

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00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 1: Z the ones with local and global reach.

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Speaker 2: Andrew Gordy and Paul Allison on the sports Huddle tonight.

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Speaker 2: Lots of text firing in about the Fiji and drawer

1124
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 2: that we've just been discussing and why did they end

1125
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 2: up in the back of a truck when they arrived

1126
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 2: at Auckland Airport. Lots of people are saying in Fiji,

1127
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 2: it's very common, very often you will see people jump

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Speaker 2: on the back of a ute or on the back

1129
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Speaker 2: of a truck to get around. So it's no big deal.

1130
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 2: And yes, that is true. We've all jumped in the

1131
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 2: back of a ute in Fiji or in the Islands.

1132
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 2: But it's the fact that we sent we didn't have

1133
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 2: a bus organized that they and in.

1134
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 22: The context of a professional rugby competition, yeah it's different.

1135
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, now speaking professional competitions, one that we're

1136
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 2: hopefully going to win this weekend, and that is the

1137
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 2: cricket the Champions Trophy Final. How are we looking, Gordy,

1138
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 2: do you reckon?

1139
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 22: I reckon, We're looking all right. I wouldn't say that

1140
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 22: we're favorites to win the match because this is against

1141
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 22: India and a Champions Trophy final in Dubai. They'll have

1142
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 22: all the support. It will feel like a home game

1143
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 22: for India. I wouldn't read too much into the final

1144
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 22: pool game, which saw India win pretty comprehensively. I don't

1145
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 22: think you can use that as an indicator for what

1146
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 22: we might see in the final, but certainly India are

1147
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 22: the favorites. Black Caps have done very well to get

1148
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 22: to this point of the competition, and when you're in

1149
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 22: a final, anything can happen. They've certainly got the quality

1150
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 22: of players and they've certainly got the experience within this side.

1151
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 22: They're not going to be overawed by this occasion. You

1152
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 22: would have heard Smith in the commentary before. This is

1153
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 22: the third final they've made in White bull cricket in

1154
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 22: the last six tournaments, so they're not going to be

1155
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 22: overawed by the occasion. It's just where they can turn

1156
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 22: up on the day.

1157
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 2: Paul. Does this mean that we're back in love with

1158
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 2: Gary Stead again?

1159
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 8: Don't if we really fell out of love with Gary Stead.

1160
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 8: To be fair, I know that things didn't go well

1161
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:03,960
Speaker 8: for New Zealand at the T twenty Cricket World Cup

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01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 8: last year. But this team's performed well pretty much with

1163
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 8: Gary Stead for quite some time now. And you look

1164
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 8: at this tournament where they've actually played really well. Sure

1165
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 8: they got beaten by India in that round robin Paul

1166
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:20,440
Speaker 8: play match, and just looking at this match on Sunday,

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01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 8: first ball at ten o'clock on Sunday evening, So it's

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01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 8: going to be a long night for a lot of

1169
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 8: people I would imagine who will be sort of enduring

1170
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 8: the early hours of Sunday, Sunday night and then Monday morning.

1171
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 8: But this is going to be a lower scoring match

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01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 8: than what the black Caps have played on because India

1173
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 8: played all their games in this tournament at Dubai, which

1174
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 8: I think will give them some advantage in some way.

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01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 8: They know the ground, they know the wicket. The highest

1176
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 8: score that's been scored on that ground in Paul play

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01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 8: was two hundred and forty nine New Zealand. As we know,

1178
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 8: I've scored over three hundred on a couple of occasions

1179
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 8: and spinners are going to be very much in the forefront.

1180
01:00:56,960 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 8: So Santana Phillips, Ravendra and Bracewell will be very much

1181
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 8: the key to New Zealand success. Can they win, of

1182
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 8: course they can. All they start is favorites. I agree

1183
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 8: with Andrew, we won't start as favorites. But I'd love

1184
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 8: to see twenty five years ago being repeated when we

1185
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 8: won in Kenyap and that ICC Champions Trophy when it

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01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 8: was a knockout tournament back then. So wouldn't it be

1187
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 8: good to see history repeating itself, Names like Sir Stephen

1188
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 8: Fleming and Nathan Asteal and Chris Ken's and Craig McMillan.

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01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 8: We've got the firepower. We just hope we can deliver

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01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 8: it on the night brilliant.

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Speaker 2: I hope we can too. There'll be a few weary eyes,

1192
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 2: I imagine on Monday morning. Then here back home in

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01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 2: New Zealand. Now staying in the Middle East, the Saudi

1194
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 2: Provincial Investment Fund is offering apparently offering quite a sweet

1195
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 2: maternity leave deal to the women's tennis players. Is this

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01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:45,600
Speaker 2: a little anything more than transparent sort of attempt to

1197
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 2: clean up their image? It's twelve months, as I understand

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01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 2: at Gordy, I.

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Speaker 22: Mean what you just said, that's exactly what it is,

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01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 22: because that's what Saudi Arabia have been doing shamelessly, quite

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01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 22: openly for several years now. They've tried to do it

1202
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 22: with leve golf, They've doing it at the moment with

1203
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 22: heavyweight boxing. They've essentially bought heavyweight boxing, and this is

1204
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:10,400
Speaker 22: another attempt to clean up their image. Somewhat ironic, you'd

1205
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 22: have to say. But putting all that to one side,

1206
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 22: this is a good thing. This is a great thing

1207
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 22: for women's tennis players, and so if they getting twelve

1208
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 22: months of maternity leave, I don't really mind who's paying

1209
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 22: for it. Necessarily. That's great for women's tennis and great

1210
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 22: for women's players, is it not.

1211
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 2: What's wrong with a bit of oil money anyway? Paul, Yeah.

1212
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 8: WTA Women's Tennis Association have been very instrumental with this.

1213
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 8: The amounts haven't been publicly disclosed, but to be able

1214
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 8: to qualify, there's about three hundred and twenty of the

1215
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 8: world's top tennis players that would be entitled to access

1216
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:43,600
Speaker 8: this fund, You've got to have played eight WTA tournaments

1217
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 8: or including Grand Slams in the last twelve months or

1218
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 8: twenty four over the previous thirty six So it's not

1219
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 8: everybody that plays tennis. You've actually got to be at

1220
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 8: a reasonably high level to be able to do that.

1221
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 8: And the program also provides grants for facility treatments and

1222
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:00,200
Speaker 8: supporting players and their family planning decisions and the like.

1223
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 8: And Victoria Azarenka, who's the rep on the WTA Players Council,

1224
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:06,440
Speaker 8: has said that the response that she's got from her

1225
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 8: colleagues has been absolutely incredible. This is a major step forward.

1226
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 8: She had a son back in twenty and sixteen. Players

1227
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 8: likes of Osaka and wasn't the Aki in townshend are

1228
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:18,400
Speaker 8: all mothers that are playing on at top one hundred

1229
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 8: in the world. So this is a great step forward

1230
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 8: for women's tennis. Whether it's coming from a sort of

1231
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 8: a doubtful source in terms of Saudi money, yeah, maybe

1232
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 8: there's a question mark over that, but what they're achieving

1233
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 8: and what they're doing for women's tennis, I think is

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01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 8: a really positive step forward.

1235
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:35,200
Speaker 2: Take the win. Yeah, Hey, Gordy big day and at

1236
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:38,040
Speaker 2: Ellesleie tomorrow you'll be getting yourself all dressed up, no doubt,

1237
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 2: No doubt.

1238
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 22: Mate, mzbk we first ever mzbke we Southern Hemisphere's richest race. Mate,

1239
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:45,920
Speaker 22: four and a half million dollars up for grabs.

1240
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 2: Look at you're mist frothing at the mouth.

1241
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 22: I am frothing at the mouth.

1242
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:49,080
Speaker 2: Mate.

1243
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 22: This is huge, This is huge. Showing me another sporting

1244
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 22: event where you can win four and a half million

1245
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 22: dollars in this country you can't, Mate.

1246
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:57,520
Speaker 2: It's great. What time is it tomorrow?

1247
01:03:57,680 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 22: Four point thirty two pm? Mate, Make sure you tune

1248
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 22: into tree you'll be on course. So w aren't you

1249
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 22: surely crossed up to the ninth?

1250
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:06,640
Speaker 2: Are you calling the race? He's gone?

1251
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:09,439
Speaker 8: Give us Give us a tip. Andrew four point thirty

1252
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 8: two Race eight at Elslie. I've looked at some of

1253
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 8: the name's public attention. I thought that was about the

1254
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 8: school lunch program. I saw Evaporator, thought that was Phil

1255
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 8: Goff going up in flames from Winston Peters yesterday. Checkmate

1256
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:21,000
Speaker 8: is in there as well.

1257
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 6: Give us a tip.

1258
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 2: Evaporate.

1259
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 22: Evaporates definitely the one to beat, carries the best form

1260
01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 22: into the race at the highest crediential horse to ever

1261
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:31,439
Speaker 22: compete in New Zealand. That I did set a fact

1262
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:34,360
Speaker 22: it is. It is a fantastic, fantastic event. It's going

1263
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 22: to be a great race. Looking forward to it. But yeah, evaporate,

1264
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 22: that's where the smart money is fantastic.

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01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:40,800
Speaker 2: Don't forget n z B. Can we toy We might

1266
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 2: be there tomorrow. Gordy, thank you for that. That's Andrew

1267
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 2: Gordy's sports commentator and Paul Allison, thank you, Paul. News

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Speaker 2: Talk ZIB rugby commentator seven to six News Talk ZIB.

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01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:56,560
Speaker 1: It's the Heather Dupless Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: my Heart Radio powered by News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 2: News Talk ZB it is four minutes away from six.

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Speaker 2: Great to have your company feeling for Queensland. Hopefully everything's

1273
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 2: all right there tonight. Apparently there's been some issues with

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Speaker 2: some e scooters that they've put on the streets. They

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01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:14,760
Speaker 2: collected them, rounded up all the e scooters to make

1276
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Speaker 2: sure that they're not going to get into some floodwaters

1277
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 2: and cause more problems. But they've managed to surround a

1278
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:22,200
Speaker 2: few cars and have blocked them in and it's a

1279
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Speaker 2: little bit of a mess over there. But We spoke

1280
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 2: to the mayor of Byron Baylor on the program. They

1281
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:29,600
Speaker 2: are getting ready and they are hunkering down. Expected to

1282
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:32,680
Speaker 2: hit the coast about ten o'clock tomorrow morning was the

1283
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Speaker 2: latest time that we had coming up. After six o'clock.

1284
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Speaker 2: We're going to go to Stephen Jacoby. He's a New

1285
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:41,640
Speaker 2: Zealand International Business Forum executive director. He's had a lot

1286
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Speaker 2: to do with trade between China and the US and

1287
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:47,440
Speaker 2: New Zealand. I'm going to talk to him about the

1288
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:51,320
Speaker 2: trade wars. Where does this end? And if Trump keeps

1289
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 2: accelerating breaking, accelerating, breaking, what does it do to business

1290
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Speaker 2: confidence globally. Barry Soper wraps the week's political news. Our

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Speaker 2: Asia Business correspondent reports, as does Gavin Gray from the UK.

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Speaker 15: Where.

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Speaker 1: Where business meets Insight The Business Hour with Ryan Bridge

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Speaker 1: and May's Insurance and Investments, Grow your wealth, Protect your future,

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Speaker 1: US talk sendb good evening.

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Speaker 2: It is Friday night at seven minutes after six. This

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Speaker 2: is the Business Hour. Great to have your company now.

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Speaker 2: US President Donald Trump has today re paused you have

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Speaker 2: to stay with me for this introduction because it's actually

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Speaker 2: quite hard to follow. And that's not the fault of

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Speaker 2: the person who wrote it. It is the fault of

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Speaker 2: the president. US President Donald Trump has today paused some

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Speaker 2: of the tariffs on Mexico, Mexico and Canada that he

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Speaker 2: paused a month ago but unpaused earlier this week. Now,

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Speaker 2: any products covered under the free trade deal of the

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Speaker 2: new NAFTA treaty, they won't be subject to a tariff

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Speaker 2: until April the second. So this includes about half of

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Speaker 2: what the Mexicans export to the United States and about

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Speaker 2: a quarter for the Canadians. If you're confused, well a

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Speaker 2: lot of people are. Hopefully Stephen Jacobe from the International

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Speaker 2: Business Forum can help us make sense of it all.

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Speaker 2: He's with me now, High Stephen, how.

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Speaker 23: Are you doing good?

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Good to have you on the show. So

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Speaker 2: what happens on April second? Do you think if you

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Speaker 2: had a crystal ball?

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Speaker 23: Well, April second is the day that the president is

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Speaker 23: meant to be taking decisions on a raft of advice

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Speaker 23: that he commissioned from US trade agencies on his first

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Speaker 23: day in office, on a Thursday in office. He didn't

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Speaker 23: do anything about tariff's other than to commission this advice.

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Speaker 23: It's due on the first of April. On the second

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Speaker 23: of April making those decisions, and we will then see

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Speaker 23: I think what he means to do about tariffs across

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Speaker 23: the board. I mean, we've seen these things in relation

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Speaker 23: to Canada and Mexico and China and steel now aluminium,

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Speaker 23: and he's talked about doing a whole other things. The

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Speaker 23: situation with him is very very unclear. Come April second,

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Speaker 23: I think we might see a little more about what

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Speaker 23: the game plan is.

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Speaker 2: Why do you think he has capitulated? I mean, why

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Speaker 2: is he pulled back on some of these From where

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Speaker 2: I'm sitting, he's looking at the markets. The markets aren't

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Speaker 2: liking it, and so he pushes pause.

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Speaker 23: Well, I think there's that, And I think he's getting

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Speaker 23: a lot of advice from and commentary from US business interests.

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Speaker 23: When we know that the car manufacturers went to see

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Speaker 23: him the other day and said, look, if you do this,

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Speaker 23: you're going to wreck the motor vehicle industry in North America,

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Speaker 23: including for US. So maybe it's not a good idea.

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Speaker 23: And you know, these things are more complicated than they appear.

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Speaker 23: The legislation he used to justify those tariffs on Canada

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Speaker 23: and was not trade legislation, was about national emergencies and

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Speaker 23: it's not very well suited to doing, you know, I

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Speaker 23: suppose what you call protectionism. But he's got a lot

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Speaker 23: of other trade legislation you can use, and that's the

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Speaker 23: advice he's going to get on the second of April.

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Speaker 2: But that's more difficult to do, is And I mean

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Speaker 2: that's why he's gone with these emergency ones. And that's

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Speaker 2: why he's talking about the likes of fentanyl, you know,

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Speaker 2: coming in from China, because that justifies it under this

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Speaker 2: emergency legislation, doesn't it.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, But yeah, that's right. I mean it's a justification,

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Speaker 23: but of course it has unforeseen consequences, such as the

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Speaker 23: chaos and markets and in relation to manufacturing in North America?

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Speaker 2: Is this because Biden kept some of Trump's tariffs on

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Speaker 2: and there was some on you know, still on aluminium

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Speaker 2: that stayed, and there was some on China that stayed

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Speaker 2: as well. Do you think that there's obviously a base

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Speaker 2: of Republican base who does like tariffs and who isn't protectionism?

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Speaker 2: Are we entering a new era even once Trump leaves

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Speaker 2: office in four years? Are we is the world changing?

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Speaker 2: Are we turning away from free trade? Well?

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Speaker 23: Well, I think it is fair to say that protectionism

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Speaker 23: and right is rising, and not just in the United

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Speaker 23: States but around the world. We've seen that, you know,

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Speaker 23: in the last you know, even as we've been doing

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Speaker 23: more trade agreements and trying to things up, free things up,

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Speaker 23: more restrictions have come into play. So we're used to that.

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Speaker 23: But I guess these moves in the United States taken

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Speaker 23: to a whole new level. And I mean it's part

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Speaker 23: of what Trump campaigned on. It's part of what he

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Speaker 23: and his administration pleably thinks in the Americans hast interests,

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Speaker 23: and you know, it's not necessarily the view of everybody

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Speaker 23: in the United States and around the world, but it

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Speaker 23: has impacts, and the real world impacts can't be ignored.

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Speaker 23: And as time goes by, we are going to see

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Speaker 23: those impacts.

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Speaker 18: I mean, these new.

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Speaker 23: Tariffs on steel now the minium are already causing a

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Speaker 23: lot of headaches for US manufacturing and that'll be compounded

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Speaker 23: as other sectors get added on.

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Speaker 2: The power of the United States is in decline, its

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Speaker 2: influences in decline. Is this the strategy that arrests that slide.

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Speaker 23: I don't know, if it rests it or it continues,

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Speaker 23: it makes it worse accelerates that it makes it worse.

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Speaker 23: I mean, the United States is basically saying it wants

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Speaker 23: to take itself out of the order that has been

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Speaker 23: created around international trade. And you know it's at liberty

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Speaker 23: to do that and to live with the consequences. It's

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Speaker 23: an experiment that the American people are going to see,

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Speaker 23: you know, how that transition pans out for them. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 23: the rest of the world is also prone to these

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Speaker 23: sorts of things, but not at quite the same level.

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Speaker 23: And they're still in the rest of them quite a

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Speaker 23: bit of trade and business that can be done. We

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Speaker 23: shouldn't lose sight of that. But the United States is

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Speaker 23: a big player, no doubt about it, and a key

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Speaker 23: one for New.

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Speaker 2: Zealand, absolutely number one for Meatex sports too. Stephen, thank

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Speaker 2: you for that. Stephen Jacobe, executive director of International Business

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Speaker 2: Forum with US tonight. Interesting, isn't it? Because trade is

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Speaker 2: not just good for making money, it's not just good

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Speaker 2: for livelihoods, it's not just good for well trade, but

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Speaker 2: it's also good quite good for peace, isn't it. When

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Speaker 2: you think about it. The more you trade with other countries,

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Speaker 2: the more open you are to one another, the more

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Speaker 2: you exchange your ideas and you meet with them, and

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Speaker 2: you go and experience the culture. All those things quite

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Speaker 2: good for peace too. Barry Soap is here. Next sixteen sorry,

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Speaker 2: thirteen after six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather dupas Allen Drive Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio,

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Speaker 1: empowered by Newstalk z EBBI.

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Speaker 2: Newstalk ZBB. It is cauught a past six after six thirty.

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Speaker 2: We're going to go to Peter Lewis, who's our Asia

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Speaker 2: Business correspondent. He's with us every Friday evening. So China

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Speaker 2: is heading back on America with tariffs of its own,

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Speaker 2: not on everything. It's not across the board, but we'll

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Speaker 2: tell you what exactly it is. Some US goods have

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Speaker 2: been targeted by that. Also, China targeting around five percent

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Speaker 2: GDP growth of twenty twenty five. That's their goal, their

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Speaker 2: stated goal, the public one anyway, So we'll find out

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Speaker 2: more about why, how, and whether it's going to be

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Speaker 2: believable if and when they get there. Sixteen after six Now,

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Speaker 2: Barry Soper is our senior political correspondent. Barry, welcome back,

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Speaker 2: Hello again, right, good to see you now, good to

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Speaker 2: see the back of Adrian or two.

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Speaker 6: Poor old Adrian or well it's not poor old Adrian,

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Speaker 6: or when you think about it, you know, here's this

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Speaker 6: man that rul's really at the center of the economy

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Speaker 6: since twenty eighteen, leaves without notice and doesn't give an

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Speaker 6: explanation to anyone, and he's either accepting absolute defeat and

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Speaker 6: what he set out to do, or he's saying, look,

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Speaker 6: I've turned it around, We've got inflation back under control.

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Speaker 6: I've done the job. Now I'm out of here. But

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Speaker 6: wouldn't it be nice to hear from him?

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Speaker 9: I think he to New.

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Speaker 6: Zealand that he's a man that's been pillared up hill

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Speaker 6: and down Dale, has been praised in some quarters, but

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Speaker 6: won't come out and either defend himself or you know,

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Speaker 6: take the accolades. I mean, who knows.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we just don't know. I think on Wednesday I

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Speaker 2: said it. It sounds like he's thrown as toys, you know,

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Speaker 2: it sounds like he's don't have a wobbly because otherwise

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Speaker 2: you go to that very expensive conference they organized, wouldn't.

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Speaker 6: You Well that's extraordinary, isn't it. On the eve of

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Speaker 6: the conference he goes, he leaves, and he's meant to

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Speaker 6: be cheering the conference. I mean, it's it is quite

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Speaker 6: extraordinary the way he parted, But you know, it's been

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Speaker 6: an unusual governorship anyway since he's been there on and I.

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Speaker 2: Think most people it's like Andrew Bailey. Once they're gone,

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Speaker 2: they're gone, and people move on, don't they. Phil Goff,

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Speaker 2: Well he'll be moving home.

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Speaker 6: Well, it wouldn't it be nice to hear from him

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Speaker 6: as well?

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Speaker 2: I think we've heard too much. Actually that's the problem.

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Speaker 6: Well that is a problem, But you know, I would

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Speaker 6: have loved to have heard his real when he woke

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Speaker 6: up in London and realized that because of what he

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Speaker 6: had said at Chatham House, Chatham House rules didn't apply,

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Speaker 6: and he was reported widely. I would have liked to

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Speaker 6: have heard what his reaction was to what would seem

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Speaker 6: to be, on the face of it, a fairly minor indiscretion.

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Speaker 6: But nevertheless, when you've got somebody as sensitive as we've

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Speaker 6: got as Donald Trump and the White House, you've got

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Speaker 6: to be aware of that sensitivity. And certainly Winston Peters

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Speaker 6: is aware of.

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Speaker 20: That because we need America, whether we like it or not,

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Speaker 20: in terms of we've got aluminium going into that country,

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Speaker 20: we've got steel products going into that country, and how

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Speaker 20: are the tariffs?

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Speaker 6: Yes, exactly, but how are the tariffs going to be handled?

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Speaker 6: If he was allowed to get away with something like exactly?

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Speaker 2: Not very diplomatic from him. Now another resignation. I feel

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Speaker 2: like we just have a long list. But Richard people

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Speaker 2: of course went from the White Tangy Tribunal.

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Speaker 6: It's interesting, isn't it, because he was appointed just last

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Speaker 6: year last October? I think it was, so was there

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Speaker 6: a very short time? He said he did a lot

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Speaker 6: of reading over the Christmas break and decided that really

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Speaker 6: the Tribunal on many counts is wrong. It's a body

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Speaker 6: that doesn't have any teeth really at all. And what

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Speaker 6: he's saying is though he said there should be a

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Speaker 6: High Court judge there rather than what are there at

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Speaker 6: the moment, essentially Land Court judges. And he said that,

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Speaker 6: you know, it should be a constitutional issue rather than

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Speaker 6: a target to Penawa, an issue that doesn't concern everyone

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Speaker 6: across the board. So you know, he's decided his infinite

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Speaker 6: wisdom he can't make the change that he believes the

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Speaker 6: tribunal should be changed.

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Speaker 2: Too, so he's moved on.

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Speaker 6: Interestingly, now I think Ryan is what are they going

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Speaker 6: to do because there is a move certainly within the

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Speaker 6: government ranks.

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Speaker 2: To review the Tribunal exactly.

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Speaker 6: And to make it a very different body to what

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Speaker 6: it is today. So now that Prebo has gone, maybe

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Speaker 6: you'll be brought on back on board as an advisor as.

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Speaker 2: Part of some rais again exact. I mean, the surprising

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Speaker 2: thing for me this week from reading that and about

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Speaker 2: him and talking to Richard Prebble, is that there are

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Speaker 2: twenty of them. Yes, I'm sitting on the Tribunal.

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Speaker 6: Well, you know it's a gravy train, isn't it. I mean,

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01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:25,360
Speaker 6: it has been on about that for years that you know,

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01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:29,559
Speaker 6: it keeps lawyers employed virtually constantly. And it's a bit

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01:17:29,680 --> 01:17:32,479
Speaker 6: like the Treaty Settlement's Bill that a lot of people

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01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:34,160
Speaker 6: have a lot to say on it, but it means

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Speaker 6: nothing in the end because it's not going to become young.

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Speaker 6: And similarly, the Tribunal is in the same situation.

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Speaker 2: Now the overseas doctors are going to be allowed to

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01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:46,760
Speaker 2: train and come straight into GP practices.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and I think that's a good thing. I mean,

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Speaker 6: you know, we have to presuppose that a doctor who

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01:17:52,240 --> 01:17:57,240
Speaker 6: has trained in medicine overseas, we have the same bodies

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01:17:57,280 --> 01:18:01,360
Speaker 6: as I understand it, human beings international, you'd think to

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01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:05,479
Speaker 6: come to New Zealand, there's no particular issue that they

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01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:08,439
Speaker 6: would have to be concerned with. Nevertheless, they I guess

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01:18:08,479 --> 01:18:12,479
Speaker 6: there's cultural issues that they have to contend with. So yeah,

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01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:14,960
Speaker 6: they're going to be allowed to go into practices, do

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01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:18,759
Speaker 6: their two years internship if you like, and then practice

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01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:21,080
Speaker 6: medicine the way they should be practicing.

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01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:22,960
Speaker 2: It, and just finding the Maori Party has been worn

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01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:25,719
Speaker 2: by police. This is an electoral tournament. They just haven't

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01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:28,439
Speaker 2: gotten yet. It was due last year and it was

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01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:29,960
Speaker 2: December and they're still not there.

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01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:32,400
Speaker 6: Well, you know, and it's all very fine to say.

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01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:37,240
Speaker 6: Don't worry John Tammaher says, the president of the party.

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01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:41,200
Speaker 6: Don't worry the natives. They're not playing up too much.

1529
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:43,719
Speaker 6: Will will come into line? Well, they haven't come into line.

1530
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:46,880
Speaker 6: They are part of the electoral process like anyone else

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01:18:47,320 --> 01:18:50,439
Speaker 6: and they should be held accountable like every other party

1532
01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:51,439
Speaker 6: that's in that place.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Here Barry Barry Soaper News Talks. He'd be senior

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01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:58,080
Speaker 2: political correspondent. Twenty two minutes after sex Ryan Bridge, there

1535
01:18:58,160 --> 01:19:01,160
Speaker 2: was a report done by Deloitte into health New Zealand

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01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:03,080
Speaker 2: which was released today and you can actually go on.

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01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:05,640
Speaker 2: I mean it's probably not up your really, maybe it

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01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:07,080
Speaker 2: is up you rellly. If it's up youre really go

1539
01:19:07,160 --> 01:19:08,960
Speaker 2: and have a look on the Health ENDZED website. It's

1540
01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:13,240
Speaker 2: under publications and it goes through line by line how

1541
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:19,799
Speaker 2: badly mismanaged Health end Z's funding was the key finding

1542
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:24,000
Speaker 2: finding Number one from this report was loss of financial control.

1543
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:27,519
Speaker 2: They didn't know, They weren't sure how much money they

1544
01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:29,880
Speaker 2: had coming in and how much money they had going out.

1545
01:19:29,920 --> 01:19:32,639
Speaker 2: And when they tried to make savings of five hundred

1546
01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:35,960
Speaker 2: million dollars to make up a shortfall, they didn't set

1547
01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:38,880
Speaker 2: any didn't have a spreadsheet, didn't have a plan, didn't

1548
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:42,280
Speaker 2: have reporting and didn't have governance around it. So how

1549
01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:47,120
Speaker 2: much did they end up saving? Nothing? Well, it probably

1550
01:19:47,160 --> 01:19:49,439
Speaker 2: won't shock you. That's the sad thing about it. But

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Speaker 2: one other thing that's come out of this report, Health

1552
01:19:52,040 --> 01:19:56,000
Speaker 2: New Zealand was using a single Excel spreadsheet to track

1553
01:19:56,120 --> 01:20:02,880
Speaker 2: twenty eight billion dollars of public money go figure twenty three.

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01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:06,479
Speaker 1: After six croaching the numbers and getting the results, it's

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01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:10,479
Speaker 1: Ryan Bridge with the Business Hour and MAS Insurance and

1556
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:16,400
Speaker 1: Investments grew your wealth, protect your future news dogs Envy five.

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01:20:16,600 --> 01:20:20,200
Speaker 2: So leaders in the EU are all singing Kumbaya from

1558
01:20:20,240 --> 01:20:22,200
Speaker 2: the same song sheet at the moment. This is after

1559
01:20:22,280 --> 01:20:25,320
Speaker 2: their meeting to support Ukraine, which they have signed a

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01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:27,639
Speaker 2: deal to do. They've also signed a deal to boost

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01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:31,759
Speaker 2: their collective spending on defense, which is good. It's actually

1562
01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:34,040
Speaker 2: a good outcome for everyone. Really. It's a good outcome

1563
01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:37,080
Speaker 2: for Europe because it means that they have the money

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01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:38,800
Speaker 2: and know that they're going to have the ongoing money

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01:20:38,840 --> 01:20:41,040
Speaker 2: to support Ukraine. It's a good outcome for Ukraine because

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01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:42,800
Speaker 2: they know they've got support. But it's also a good

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01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:45,639
Speaker 2: outcome from America because they can stop spending so much

1568
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:48,240
Speaker 2: on it, which was their intention, so they kind of

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01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:52,439
Speaker 2: got what they want. Interestingly or uninterestingly, Hungary's Victor Auburn

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01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:55,960
Speaker 2: said no, I'm not signing that, but his mate, which

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01:20:56,080 --> 01:20:59,439
Speaker 2: is the Slovakian leader, did sign it, and they was

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01:20:59,479 --> 01:21:02,000
Speaker 2: sort of will he wont to, So he was one

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01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:04,120
Speaker 2: of the twenty six who did sign this deal. So

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01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:07,160
Speaker 2: that you go, Europe's come together, with the exception of

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01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:11,640
Speaker 2: just Hungary. Grayham Bridge twenty six minutes after six now

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01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:14,000
Speaker 2: Peter Lewis is with us after six thirty. I mentioned

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01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:16,120
Speaker 2: the other day he'll be here actually closer to seven.

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01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:18,760
Speaker 2: I mentioned the other day that that deal that's been

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Speaker 2: done between the Hong Kong firm and the Americans to

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01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:27,479
Speaker 2: sell their majority stake of these years in this port company.

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01:21:27,560 --> 01:21:31,080
Speaker 2: Now the port has rights to two quite crucial ports

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Speaker 2: through until about twenty forty seven.

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Speaker 3: In this area.

1584
01:21:34,160 --> 01:21:36,240
Speaker 2: And we know that Trump is hot on Panama, so

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01:21:36,360 --> 01:21:38,920
Speaker 2: we'll ask him from their perspective in Hong Kong, why

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01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:41,000
Speaker 2: would they give it up? Why would they sell those

1587
01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:44,400
Speaker 2: years down? Peter Lewis, our Asia business correspondent. He's up

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01:21:44,439 --> 01:21:48,080
Speaker 2: after the news. Here is Donald Trump talking about, you know,

1589
01:21:48,160 --> 01:21:51,240
Speaker 2: the two astronauts, the astronauts that are in space, been

1590
01:21:51,320 --> 01:21:53,920
Speaker 2: there since June last year. I think it was meant

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01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:56,040
Speaker 2: to come home. It was meant to be a short trip.

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01:21:56,280 --> 01:21:59,960
Speaker 2: Didn't work out anyway. Trump has spoken today apparently about.

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Speaker 24: We're coming up to get you. I've authorized Elon. I said,

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Speaker 24: can you get him out? Because you know they've been

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01:22:06,760 --> 01:22:10,200
Speaker 24: left up there. I hope they like each other, but

1596
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:13,760
Speaker 24: they've been Maybe they love each other, I know, but

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01:22:14,040 --> 01:22:15,240
Speaker 24: they've been left up there.

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Speaker 8: Think of it.

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Speaker 24: I see the woman with the wild hair and good

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01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:20,320
Speaker 24: solid head of hair she's got.

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Speaker 6: There's no kidding, there's no.

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Speaker 24: Games with her hair. But h and you know there's

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01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:29,599
Speaker 24: a danger up there too. They can have some failures

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01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:31,200
Speaker 24: up there that would be very bad. You've got to

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01:22:31,240 --> 01:22:31,680
Speaker 24: get him out.

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01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:34,400
Speaker 6: So I've was I've authorized elon.

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Speaker 24: You know, we have two people up there that Biden

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01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:42,720
Speaker 24: and Kamala left up there, and he knows it very well.

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01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:44,840
Speaker 24: I said, are you equipped together me? He said, yeah,

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01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:49,000
Speaker 24: he's got a starship and they're preparing.

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Speaker 18: It right now.

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Speaker 21: And like, don't just say we're sending a ship up

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01:22:54,280 --> 01:22:56,000
Speaker 21: to the stay station to get the instronauts, like it

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01:22:56,080 --> 01:22:56,960
Speaker 21: takes like a second, you.

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01:22:57,000 --> 01:23:06,519
Speaker 2: Know, just all over the shelf like news talk, zidbon a, do'.

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01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:08,240
Speaker 8: Away cord Nor.

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01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:11,639
Speaker 6: I love to celebrate baby.

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01:23:11,800 --> 01:23:17,240
Speaker 1: I just work away, whether it's macro micro or just

1619
01:23:17,320 --> 01:23:21,160
Speaker 1: playing economics. It's all on the business hours with Ryan

1620
01:23:21,240 --> 01:23:25,880
Speaker 1: Bridge and Player's insurance and investments. Grow your wealth, protect

1621
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:27,680
Speaker 1: your future, use talk sedb.

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Speaker 6: In Basil flowers, roll my name in sid.

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01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:41,680
Speaker 8: Talking to myself for hours. Sit as you don't understand.

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Speaker 2: Good evening. It's Friday night. You're on news talk ZIBB

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01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:47,760
Speaker 2: twenty four minutes away from seven. We're gonna go to

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Speaker 2: Gavin Gray in the UK shortly, but first Peter Lewis

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Speaker 2: is here, our Asia Business correspondent, Peter Good evening.

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Speaker 9: Good evening, Ryan.

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Speaker 2: So we have been hearing a lot from the White House.

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01:23:58,479 --> 01:24:00,640
Speaker 2: We've been hearing a lot from the over offers in

1631
01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:03,040
Speaker 2: particular about what's going on with this trade war, but

1632
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Speaker 2: not a lot from your side of the world. So

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01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:07,720
Speaker 2: give it to us straight. How's China feeling? How are

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01:24:07,720 --> 01:24:12,559
Speaker 2: they responding and retaliating to this trade war? Well, I mean, in.

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Speaker 9: What's been really an incredible week for tariffs, because they've

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01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:19,080
Speaker 9: been on and off and suspended and then unsuspended. It's

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01:24:19,120 --> 01:24:22,679
Speaker 9: hard to keep track. But actually the tariffs on China

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01:24:23,360 --> 01:24:27,599
Speaker 9: have been fairly consistent. There was the ten percent tariffs

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01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:30,080
Speaker 9: that were imposed about a month ago. They were the

1640
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Speaker 9: first tariffs that were actually that Trump actually put into effect.

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01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:40,600
Speaker 9: China retaliated to that in a fairly restrained way, and

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Speaker 9: then we had a second round of tariffs when those

1643
01:24:43,479 --> 01:24:47,200
Speaker 9: tariffs on Mexico and Canada were imposed. At the same time,

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01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:52,040
Speaker 9: another lot of ten percent tariffs were slapped on Chinese imports,

1645
01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:54,880
Speaker 9: so that takes them up to twenty percent. It means

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01:24:54,920 --> 01:24:58,360
Speaker 9: the effective tariff rate that China is paying, if you

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Speaker 9: take into account also tariffs that are still in place

1648
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Speaker 9: from the first Trump administration, is about thirty three percent.

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Speaker 9: China firmly rejects all of this. It says the issue

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01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:16,920
Speaker 9: of fentanole is just an excuse to try hurt China's

1651
01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:23,479
Speaker 9: economy and trade relations. And the Chinese embassy in Washington

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01:25:24,040 --> 01:25:28,000
Speaker 9: did react with very very strong language. They said, if

1653
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:32,800
Speaker 9: the US wants a trade war, a tariff war, or

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01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:35,599
Speaker 9: any other kind of war, we're ready to fight them

1655
01:25:35,640 --> 01:25:39,759
Speaker 9: to the end. So this is pretty strong diplomatic language

1656
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:43,760
Speaker 9: any by any stretch, even by the wolf warrior standards

1657
01:25:43,800 --> 01:25:47,400
Speaker 9: of some of the Chinese diplomats that we've heard from recently.

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01:25:48,200 --> 01:25:49,200
Speaker 9: But they're not going to budge.

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Speaker 23: They are going to have.

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Speaker 9: You know, every time China slaps on tariffs, they're going

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01:25:54,280 --> 01:25:57,360
Speaker 9: to US slaps on tariffs. They are going to retaliate.

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01:25:57,920 --> 01:26:01,040
Speaker 9: The problem is, eventually they'll run out of big to

1663
01:26:01,160 --> 01:26:06,840
Speaker 9: retaliate on because the US buys more things from them

1664
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:09,960
Speaker 9: than China does. So what China is doing at the

1665
01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:13,360
Speaker 9: moment is it's really disengaging from the US altogether. It's

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Speaker 9: building up other markets in Southeast Asia, in emerging markets,

1667
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Speaker 9: and really is doing far less trade with the US,

1668
01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:27,200
Speaker 9: even though it's trade surplus with the world is surging.

1669
01:26:27,240 --> 01:26:30,760
Speaker 9: It was almost a trillion dollars last year. But their

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01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:33,680
Speaker 9: strategy is really to make sure that they're just not

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Speaker 9: dependent at all on the US in any way. And

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Speaker 9: when they do retaliate, they do it in a fairly

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01:26:40,120 --> 01:26:44,080
Speaker 9: surgical way. They put tariffs on a lot of agricultural products,

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01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:51,160
Speaker 9: which tends to come from Republican Midwest states, So farmers

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01:26:51,240 --> 01:26:53,760
Speaker 9: there are sort of up in arms about what's going on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they are quite cunning with it, don't they. Now

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01:26:56,960 --> 01:27:00,840
Speaker 2: they've also sort of target the China hairs around this

1678
01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:02,799
Speaker 2: is for GDP for twenty five.

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Speaker 9: Yep, that's right. That came up this week's two Sessions,

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Speaker 9: which is the annual parliamentary meeting that China holds that

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01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:15,040
Speaker 9: the growth target is exactly the same as it was

1682
01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:19,360
Speaker 9: the last two years, around five percent. Last year, not

1683
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:22,360
Speaker 9: surprisingly they met it. In fact, they exceeded it slightly.

1684
01:27:22,439 --> 01:27:26,759
Speaker 9: They made five point two percent GDP. So this target

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01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:29,920
Speaker 9: they will meet again by hook Ard by crook, because

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01:27:30,040 --> 01:27:33,519
Speaker 9: unlike in other economies around the world, this is a

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01:27:33,640 --> 01:27:38,160
Speaker 9: command economy. So when the Chinese government says GDP will

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01:27:38,200 --> 01:27:41,960
Speaker 9: grow about five percent, that's what happens. Whereas in other

1689
01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:45,360
Speaker 9: economies around the West and in New Zealand and elsewhere,

1690
01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:48,439
Speaker 9: GDP is a sort of an output from all the

1691
01:27:48,520 --> 01:27:50,960
Speaker 9: economic data. You add up all the investments or the

1692
01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:55,320
Speaker 9: trade or the personal consumption and then you come up

1693
01:27:55,360 --> 01:27:58,080
Speaker 9: with GDP. Or China does it the other way around.

1694
01:27:58,120 --> 01:28:00,479
Speaker 9: It says this is our GDP, and then it comes

1695
01:28:00,560 --> 01:28:03,519
Speaker 9: up with all the investments and trade and personal consumption

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01:28:04,160 --> 01:28:07,120
Speaker 9: that's required to meet that, so it will get there.

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01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:11,800
Speaker 9: The problem is China's economy is suffering at the moment,

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01:28:11,920 --> 01:28:14,640
Speaker 9: particularly from the fact that it depends too much on

1699
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:19,240
Speaker 9: exports and there's just not enough domestic consumption. And this

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01:28:19,400 --> 01:28:22,200
Speaker 9: is the real issue that China has got to deal with.

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01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:25,880
Speaker 9: It's got to boost domestic consumption. It appears at last

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01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:29,599
Speaker 9: the Chinese leadership realizes that because at the two sessions

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01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:33,800
Speaker 9: this week they made boosting domestic consumption the number one

1704
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:38,719
Speaker 9: priority for government, central government, local governments, and the economy.

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01:28:39,200 --> 01:28:42,200
Speaker 9: Easier said than done, though people just don't want to spend.

1706
01:28:42,280 --> 01:28:45,200
Speaker 9: At the moment, they are saving about seventy five percent

1707
01:28:45,280 --> 01:28:48,959
Speaker 9: of their income in China, and that's partly for structural

1708
01:28:49,080 --> 01:28:52,719
Speaker 9: reasons because if you lose your job, there is no welfare.

1709
01:28:53,560 --> 01:28:57,240
Speaker 9: There is not free healthcare either. As people found out

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01:28:58,160 --> 01:29:02,840
Speaker 9: during COVID, employment rate, particularly among young people is very high,

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01:29:03,720 --> 01:29:06,639
Speaker 9: so confidence is very low, and it's been battered further

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01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:10,120
Speaker 9: by what's happened to the property market. So trying to

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Speaker 9: get the confidence up and getting people to spend in

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Speaker 9: China is not as easy as it seems. But that

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Speaker 9: is definitely the challenge and the problem that the Chinese

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Speaker 9: leadership has got to solve this year.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mentioned very hard to try and get

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Speaker 2: the economy going. When you're saving the seventy five percent

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Speaker 2: of your income, that's incredible stat We know Trump wants

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Speaker 2: Panama and he wants more American control in the Panama Canal,

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Speaker 2: and we heard this week about this deal. It was

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Speaker 2: a Hong Kong based company that's selling I think of

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Speaker 2: ninety percent stake to an American outfit and they've got

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Speaker 2: the control of these two key ports in this area

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Speaker 2: through till twenty forty seven. What was the reason that

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Speaker 2: the firm wanted to sell in the first place. Do

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Speaker 2: we know what deal was this, Well, this is C. K.

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Speaker 9: Hutchinson. This is Leekar Shing's company, his main company in

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Speaker 9: Hong Kong. They have a number of subsidiaries, one of

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Speaker 9: them of which is its ports business.

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Speaker 2: And C. K.

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Speaker 9: Hutchinson operates ports all around the world, not just in Panama,

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Speaker 9: where it does have two ports, one at the entrance

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Speaker 9: and one at the end of the Panama Canal. Now

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Speaker 9: Trump says that because of that the Panama Canal is

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Speaker 9: controlled by the Chinese government.

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Speaker 23: Well, C. K.

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Speaker 9: Hutchinson is a publicly listed company here in Hong Kong,

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Speaker 9: a very large company as well, operates under Hong Kong laws.

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Speaker 9: It's hard to say that because of that, the Chinese

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Speaker 9: controlled the Panama Canal. But nevertheless, Lee Kashin, who is

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Speaker 9: a very very canny operator, is one of the world's

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01:30:45,680 --> 01:30:49,680
Speaker 9: richest men, saw an opportunity here to basically sell the

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Speaker 9: whole global ports business to this consultium that's being run

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Speaker 9: by black Rock, a US asset management company. And that's

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Speaker 9: exactly what it's doing. It's selling ninety percent of its

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Speaker 9: port's business. It's just maintaining its ports business in Hong

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Speaker 9: Kong and mainland China. The consultum will have a ninety

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Speaker 9: percent stake on that and in return C. K. Hutchinson

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Speaker 9: will get about nineteen billion dollars in cash, a huge

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Speaker 9: amount of money. It's a significant part of the company's

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Speaker 9: market cap. Its share price has absolutely surged in the

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Speaker 9: last couple of days. It's gone up close to fifty

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Speaker 9: percent as a result of this deal. But it just

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Speaker 9: cements le Khar Shing's reputation as once again being a

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Speaker 9: very very canni operator because he's got out of his

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Speaker 9: port's business, add a huge premium to what it was

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Speaker 9: estimated to be worth, and is also avoided now a

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Speaker 9: lot of political problems in Panama and with the US government.

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Speaker 2: So very canny deal, Kenny, indeed. But also you would

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Speaker 2: have thought nullifis the argument that that it somehow was

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Speaker 2: under the control of mainland China, right, otherwise they want

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Speaker 2: to let him.

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Speaker 9: Sell absolutely right, absolutely, I mean this notion that somehow

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01:32:06,360 --> 01:32:12,679
Speaker 9: China controls the Panama crown and sets rates that ships

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Speaker 9: pay is just a nonsense. And you know, in the fact,

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Speaker 9: what Panama does is the rates are the same for

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Speaker 9: every ship from every country. They're not based upon where

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01:32:24,080 --> 01:32:26,920
Speaker 9: the ships come from. They're based upon the tonnage and

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Speaker 9: the size of the ship and what you're taking through

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Speaker 9: the canal. But they're certainly not set by the Chinese government.

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Speaker 9: But President Trump is claiming a victory here and is

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01:32:36,560 --> 01:32:40,080
Speaker 9: saying that, you know, his threats to basically seize the

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Speaker 9: Panama Canal have had some reward, and now he's escalating

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Speaker 9: his rhetoric about taking control of Greenland annexing Canada as well.

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Speaker 2: So you know there will be no.

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Speaker 23: End to this.

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Speaker 2: Peter, thank you for that fascinating stuff. Peter Lewis Asia

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Speaker 2: Business correspondent, just gone fourteen minutes away from seven. You're

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Speaker 2: on News Talk to you be for your Friday evening

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Speaker 2: Coming up next. Gevin Gray is in the UK. He's

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Speaker 2: got the latest on this coalition of countries, who's in

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01:33:07,160 --> 01:33:08,960
Speaker 2: and who's out for Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: Everything from SMEs to the big corporates, The Business Hour

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Speaker 1: with Ryan Bridge and p Mayor's Insurance and Investments, Grew

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Speaker 1: your Wealth, Protect your Future News Talks v.

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Speaker 2: From seven on News Talks. It'd be great to have

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Speaker 2: your company tonight. Gavin Gray's are UK correspondent. Gavin good

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Speaker 2: evening either, So as Zelensky and EU leaders, they've got

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01:33:30,520 --> 01:33:33,080
Speaker 2: the show of unity going. They are all singing from

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01:33:33,120 --> 01:33:35,479
Speaker 2: the same song ship. We're not quite all of the

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01:33:35,840 --> 01:33:39,080
Speaker 2: European leaders, but many of them are joining on board

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Speaker 2: for the coalition.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, but you're right, no, not all of them are

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01:33:44,240 --> 01:33:46,840
Speaker 12: on the same page on this, of course. Now the

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Speaker 12: US Ukraine talks appear to be heading to Saudi Arabia

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Speaker 12: next week, President Zelensky saying that he hopes it'll be

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01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:56,960
Speaker 12: a meaningful meeting. In other words, security guarantees for him

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01:33:57,360 --> 01:34:02,439
Speaker 12: and probably mineral agreement rates for America. So a lot

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Speaker 12: at stake here, but he'll come, I think slightly buoyed

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Speaker 12: by the fact that it's been revealed around twenty countries

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Speaker 12: and now interested in joining what's being called a coalition

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Speaker 12: of the willing to help Ukraine. Now, not all the

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01:34:15,479 --> 01:34:19,479
Speaker 12: countries are offering troops necessarily on the ground, indeed, probably

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Speaker 12: far from it, but some could provide other support. They're

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01:34:23,360 --> 01:34:27,280
Speaker 12: largely taken from the Commonwealth and from Europe, spearheaded by

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Speaker 12: the UK and France, and the Prime Minister of the UK, Sakistama,

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01:34:31,640 --> 01:34:34,400
Speaker 12: really believes that this is the way forward, that once

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01:34:34,600 --> 01:34:36,800
Speaker 12: a peace deal is struck, and it does look like

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Speaker 12: we're perhaps edging that way after Ukraine's hand is being forced.

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Speaker 2: By the US.

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Speaker 12: How it is implemented, and Europe simply does not trust

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Speaker 12: Vladimir Putin to maintain the peace if there is no

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Speaker 12: peacekeeping force within and over Ukraine. So they want air support,

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01:34:55,520 --> 01:34:58,360
Speaker 12: they want troops on the ground, and combined with all this,

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Speaker 12: Europe has announced massive package of roughly one point five

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Speaker 12: trillion New Zealand dollars in defense, which the European Commission

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Speaker 12: President Ursula vonder Lyon said it was important and a

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Speaker 12: watershed moment for Europe.

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Speaker 2: It's got to Germany. We've got five members of a

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Speaker 2: far right group there have been jailed for plotting driver

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Speaker 2: through the government, kidnaped the health minister.

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Speaker 12: Yeah. The group were associated with something called Citizens of

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Speaker 12: the Reich, whose followers believe that the German Empire continues

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Speaker 12: to exist today even though it collapsed in nineteen eighteen,

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Speaker 12: and investigators say it was led by Heinrich the thirteenth

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Speaker 12: Prince Rus, a German aristocat. Anyway, five members of this

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Speaker 12: group have been jailed now. Four of the group were

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Speaker 12: described as ring leaders and it has been called a

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Speaker 12: terrorist organization, and what they wanted to do was to

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Speaker 12: use violence to trigger civil warlike conditions in Germany. And

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Speaker 12: they hoped that as they started their campaign they would

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Speaker 12: be joined by disgruntled members of the security forces and

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Speaker 12: also just disgruntled people who would join their campaign. Now,

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Speaker 12: the group had planned to kidnap the health minister called

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Speaker 12: Carl Lautobach. He was an advocate of very strict COVID

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Speaker 12: nineteen measures during the pandemic, and the group had said

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01:36:21,680 --> 01:36:23,519
Speaker 12: as well that they would be quite happy to kill

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Speaker 12: his bodyguards if it was necessary. So this was an

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Speaker 12: important and an enormous threat, according to the Interior Ministry.

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Speaker 12: And they'd also planned to sabotage the power grid as

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Speaker 12: well in parts of Germany. So the four defendants described

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Speaker 12: as the ring leaders were sentenced to between five and

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Speaker 12: nine five and eight and a half years in jail.

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01:36:46,600 --> 01:36:50,080
Speaker 12: A fifth defendant received a two year ten month sentence

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Speaker 12: following an almost two year trial.

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Speaker 2: Ram good Matevin, thank you very much to that, Devin Gray,

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Speaker 2: UK correspondent. It is eight minutes away from seven here

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Speaker 2: from seven. That is pretty much it for us today.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening, for all of your feedback,

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Speaker 2: your emails, your text. Really appreciate it. Been a good

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Speaker 2: week this week.

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Speaker 17: Boy.

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Speaker 2: We've chewed through some appointments, haven't we. Preeble's gone, Adrian

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Speaker 2: All's gone. Who else have we lost? Foreun's gone. We've

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Speaker 2: kept the Pope, which is good. The Board of Health

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Speaker 2: in z is coming back. Someone wants to take out

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Speaker 2: the board of this company. It's all go and it's

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Speaker 2: what are we going out to tonight?

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Speaker 23: Yes?

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Speaker 21: to release an album whenever there's a recession, which is

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Speaker 21: a very interesting observation. The new album it's called Him.

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Speaker 21: and it is out today.

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