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Speaker 2: All right, yeah, good, okay, good? Hell?

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Speaker 3: Are you great, New Zealanders? And welcome to Matt and

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Speaker 3: Tyler Afternoons Full Show Podcast number sixty four for Tuesday,

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Speaker 3: the eleventh of February. Thanks for tuning in. You can

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Speaker 3: hear this. I'm using Hoskin's vacuum cleaner.

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Speaker 2: You made an absolute mess again, but I'm sick.

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Speaker 3: Of being called the pig of ZB so I'm cleaning

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Speaker 3: it up. And I've got to say this Dison is

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Speaker 3: really powerful.

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Speaker 2: It's way better than the museum piece that you used

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Speaker 2: last time. Mate, I've got to say.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I've got to I mean, I must have

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Speaker 3: like a really rubbish Dyson because mine doesn't suck like this.

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Speaker 3: Mind sucks. I beg, yeah, mind sucks. It doesn't suck anyway.

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Speaker 3: Great chat today. We get to the topic we missed

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Speaker 3: yesterday around lying and relationships, and we went deep into

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Speaker 3: cocaine abuse. It was a really good chat and had

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Speaker 3: some fantastic calls. And we all also talked about poles,

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Speaker 3: Do you believe them? Do you follow them? And I

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Speaker 3: don't know why to say this, because we'll tell you

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Speaker 3: about that in a second. But thanks for tuning in

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Speaker 1: Kiwi your new home for insightful and entertaining talk. It's

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Speaker 1: Mattie and Taylor Adams afternoons with the Volvo x eighty

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Speaker 2: Send me for gooday to you, Welcome into the show

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Speaker 2: on this Tuesday afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Get a manet, Tyler, great to be here, got a

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Speaker 3: good show for you today after three pm? What level

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Speaker 3: of secret is okay to keep from your partner?

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Speaker 2: Yep, this was on the back of you sending a

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Speaker 2: photo of you eating your little Mecca's fries.

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Speaker 3: Hid hiding in my car and eating my my burgers

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Speaker 3: and fries out from my partner.

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Speaker 2: We've all got them.

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Speaker 3: Because I'm supposed to be eating healthy, so you know

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Speaker 3: it's I'm still on the diet as long as she

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Speaker 3: doesn't see it. So what little secrets do you keep

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Speaker 3: from your partner? And is that okay? After two pm? Tyler?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so cocaine. This is on the back of Colombian President.

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Speaker 2: He says cocaine is no worse than whiskey, and he

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Speaker 2: believes scientists have analyzed it. But the wide question you're

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Speaker 2: going to put to you is one on the rise

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Speaker 2: of cocaine consumption in New Zealand, but also is there

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Speaker 2: an argument to be made for looking at our drug laws?

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Speaker 3: Well, the thing is that no one's denying that cocaine

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Speaker 3: prohibition of it causing more harm than it would if

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Speaker 3: it was sold like booze as the Columbian President said,

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Speaker 3: And look he's a dodgy guy, so we're not taking

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Speaker 2: Yep, that's going to be an interesting chad after two o'clock.

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Speaker 2: But right now, let's have a chet about poles. This

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Speaker 2: is on the back of three consecutive polls show support

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Speaker 2: one used variant pole yesterday which showed the sender Left

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Speaker 2: three percent. Well, National felt three points to thirty four percent.

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Speaker 3: Ya, of course, So they're doing the polls so they

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Speaker 3: that pole. But you know it's eighteen months out for election,

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Speaker 3: so really what does it say? But does it affect

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Speaker 3: how things go? So if you start to hear that

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Speaker 3: to see that they're slightly slipping in these poles? Do

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Speaker 3: It's a Freudian slip. Now eight one hundred eighteen eighty

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Speaker 2: I've never done a political pole.

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Speaker 3: Also, do you tell that people that also don't necessarily

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Speaker 3: But does it change your opinion? With all that in mind,

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Speaker 3: hate losers. We certainly do. We love winners and we

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Speaker 2: You don't want to back a loser. I think for

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Speaker 2: But love to get your thoughts the polls. Do they

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Speaker 2: NEWSB fourteen bars one. Now, I don't know if it's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we've been punished by parties lately, haven't We used

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Speaker 2: We'reright in the middle of the day, you know. Don't

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Speaker 3: We love to party and we hate to miss out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah for next time, people. But we are talking about

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Speaker 2: but our wider question is do these influence you at all?

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Speaker 3: Do you care? Does that change your opinion on your

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Speaker 3: these poles. That's an interesting point as well. I want

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Speaker 3: to dalve into Hello, guys, I take known as the poles.

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Speaker 3: I'm in my early seventies and I have never been asked.

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Speaker 3: I also know someone who was asked and said he

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Speaker 3: but that was his choice. It's true. I mean, how

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Speaker 3: But also I've never I think I've been on the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you've done one of these polls, we'd love

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Matthew Good afternoon to you.

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Speaker 6: Good afternoon, gentlemen.

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Speaker 2: Now, the polls to you, they mean nothing.

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Speaker 6: I hate them, can't stand them, and I get sick

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Speaker 6: of New Zealand gets who gets stuck into polls. I

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Speaker 6: But people want it here and now, and if they're

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Speaker 3: Now, Matthew, So if you see someone that you're following,

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Speaker 3: say like a say like a political candidate, and they're

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Speaker 6: No, not at all, not at all. I look at

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Speaker 6: look at the policies. Say, okay, I can see the

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Speaker 6: long what is the long term effect for the nation

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Speaker 6: over a period of time. If it's going to take

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Speaker 6: more than the average three years for voting, then how

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Speaker 6: can we make a judgment if it's if you know,

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Speaker 6: it's not working within six months? Oh my goodness, how

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Speaker 6: many policies work within six months?

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Speaker 5: Why ends up?

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Speaker 3: It's a pretty that more people aren't like you because

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Speaker 3: I think, you know, poles are massively hyped up. You know,

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Speaker 3: when it's on the TV one news last night, it's

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Speaker 6: But you know what, it reminds me of what America.

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Speaker 6: Let's let's let's get the most popular person on TV

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Speaker 6: promote them, and and it's all it's all about who's

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Speaker 6: who's the most popular, and not about what what the

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Speaker 3: But I guess and the and the end democracy it

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Speaker 6: Well, I know that's what annoys me. I'm not tied

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Speaker 3: Matthew, where do you get your opinions? Where do you

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Speaker 6: Yeah, lots of places government with sites, statistics. Oh my goodness,

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Speaker 3: Got them though, Man, for most people probably might not

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Speaker 6: That just proves that right now the government's done something

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Speaker 2: Do you think it's the pole that affects that Matthew

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Speaker 2: That is why the poles are showing the way they're showing,

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Speaker 5: Oh quite possibly.

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Speaker 3: You think of this text, Matthew, that's coming at you.

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Speaker 3: This bloke is no understanding of the electoral cycle and

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Speaker 6: In the short term is the polls show that people

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Speaker 6: What year it is showing that they're not. It's not

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Speaker 3: But I suppose Matthew, even though they're not going to

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Speaker 6: Oh, quite quite possibly, and well absolutely one hundred percent,

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Speaker 6: Instead of saying, hey, we're going to stick to our

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Speaker 6: if we don't do this, we're not going to be

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Speaker 6: a contundrum that they have to that they have to balance.

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Speaker 6: They want to stay in power to see through their

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Speaker 6: there's no perfect answer.

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Speaker 3: Well, there's no doubt, Matthew. The democracies work a lot better,

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Speaker 3: more people like you. Yeah, and we're putting that and

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Speaker 3: we're concentrating and making these sober decisions on what's going on.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for your call.

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Speaker 2: Thanks guys, cheers, cheers. Matthew Oh. Eight hundred and eighty

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Speaker 2: This is on the back three consecutive poles. Support for

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Speaker 2: And if you hear some drums in the background, there

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers the mic asking

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Speaker 3: Play Minister Christopher Luxan is with us. I suggested to

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Speaker 3: We had Rod Duke of Briscoe's on the program the

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Speaker 6: And I think they will be marked seriously if we

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Speaker 5: Is you right?

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Speaker 3: He's bang on.

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Speaker 9: We need to get this economy moving. We've had some

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Speaker 9: long standing problems for thirty years about economic productivity, and

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Speaker 9: that's what you're saying. We've got to invest summit coming up,

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Speaker 3: We've got a rolling funder back tomorrow at six am

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Speaker 3: the Mike Hosking Breakfast with Mayley's Real Estate News Talk

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Speaker 3: ZB News Talk ZB oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 3: We're talking about polls. Do they change the way you

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Speaker 3: a couple of texts here, Yes, guys, I was rung

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Speaker 3: on our landline in January for the first pole of

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Speaker 3: placed Seymour last. My reason is this divisiveness and this

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Speaker 3: It felt good to show my support for ACT. I

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Speaker 3: Greens TPM and all negative on Seymour. The amount you

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Speaker 3: it felt good to push back, even just a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Love the show by the way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, great texts coming through. And again, if you've been polled,

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Speaker 2: I'd love to hear from you. Oh, eight hundred eighty

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Speaker 2: that quite often the ring up and say can we

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Speaker 2: talk to you about your supermarket habits? So I'll start

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Speaker 2: asking you what supermarkets do you go to? How often

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Speaker 2: then they say, so what party did you vote for

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Speaker 2: last leek? Sure, so hang on a minute. I thought

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Speaker 2: we were talking about supermarkets. They kind of just lump it.

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Speaker 3: Together, dirty stinking bastard.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree, I agree. I mean that's what

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Speaker 2: undred eighty ten eighty Greg, how are you mate?

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 10: Good guys. Yeah, I've been wrung up once about the

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Speaker 10: I said, a middle age European terior of mixed Irish

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Speaker 5: Didn't want to know.

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Speaker 2: They didn't like mixed Irish heritage.

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Speaker 10: They had miss well in fact, I was a middle

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Speaker 10: I mean, you only need to see the reporters like

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Speaker 3: Oh, there's no doubt. There's no doubt that the media

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Speaker 3: don't think anyone would argue with that. Perhaps perhaps so

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Speaker 3: we're bringing up, though, to poll on a different issue

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Speaker 3: that didn't relate to you, if you know what I mean,

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Speaker 3: that might not have been across the board, questions that

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Speaker 3: they poll all kinds of things. Greg.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, but if you're going to poll people your pole

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Speaker 2: But just playing devil's advocate, Greg, if that if that

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Speaker 10: Well maybe you courage for to organizer because she doesn't

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Speaker 3: White doesn't seem to know that's a cool grek. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean that's what they do. They've got it, They've

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Speaker 2: But they have to have a specific methodology, don't they yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: How do they get around the fact that only, I

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Speaker 3: mean a very few people would ever just answer a

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Speaker 3: I'm going to assume it's the idea and not answer.

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Speaker 2: And even if it's a number that pops up and

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Speaker 2: O nine as soon as they say, hey, it's such

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Speaker 2: do at that point? So sorry, I'm busy cooking tea.

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Speaker 2: See you later, Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighties

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Speaker 2: then number to call quick, couple of techs here, guys.

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Speaker 2: They have a quota of who they poll so they

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Speaker 2: can get across section. Most of the landlines are the

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Speaker 2: same demographic, but they started using more most.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what we're trying to say to Greg.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, headlines with railing coming up, then will take

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Speaker 2: more of your calls that has been on help us one.

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Speaker 11: You talk said the headlines with blue.

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Speaker 12: Bubble taxing, it's no trouble with a blue bubble contradictory

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Speaker 12: statements from the US President, who says there will be

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Speaker 12: no exceptions to new twenty five percent tariffs for all

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Speaker 12: steel and aluminium imports, but seems open to treating Australia differently.

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Speaker 12: China's foreign ministries confirm plans to strengthen ties with the

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Speaker 12: Cook Islands and progress bilateral relations. Our government has been

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Speaker 12: concerned by lack of any consultation with New Zealand before

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Speaker 12: the Cook Islands PM flew to China for talks. The

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Speaker 12: a senior Canterbury Police officer after complaints from colleagues, including bullying.

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Speaker 12: her daughter into his vehicle. Police are looking into reports

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Speaker 12: across Western suburbs. Level one water restrictions now apply to

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Speaker 12: to Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Roylean. And we're talking about poles.

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Speaker 2: Do you take any notice of poles, particularly eighteen months

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Speaker 2: out on the back of course of three consecutive poles

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Speaker 2: showing a bit of a dip for the current governments

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Speaker 2: and a bit of a boost for the opposition. Ohight

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Speaker 2: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number.

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Speaker 3: To call the Texas says guys. I always call it ID.

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Speaker 3: Whenever I get a caller ID, I always answer that

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Speaker 3: it's done this blood everywhere or New Zealand Defense Force

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Speaker 3: want to fight? Then hang up?

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Speaker 2: I love that. It's great.

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Speaker 3: I used to get when I got scam calls back

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Speaker 3: in the day, or calls that are cold calls. I'd

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Speaker 3: always put my two year old son on and he'd

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Speaker 3: go hanging and just talk to them and tell them

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Speaker 3: about movies and stuff. Is a real talker. And then

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Speaker 3: they go they want to talk to your dad, and

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Speaker 3: I say, no, you go, and they just you just

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Speaker 3: leave that kid punishing the caller for us. And you know,

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Speaker 3: a two and a half year old kid can punish

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Speaker 3: a cold caller for a long time.

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Speaker 2: And how long did the cold caller go? They keep

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Speaker 2: just trying and put your dad on No, no, you're

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Speaker 2: talking to me, Dad.

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Speaker 3: They want to talk to you. No, no, I tell

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Speaker 3: them about finding Nemo fashion the big water in the.

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Speaker 2: Those poor cold callers. Man, Mary, how are you?

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Speaker 13: I'm good, thank you, I just wanted you're talking about polls.

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Speaker 13: They do go up and down all the time, they

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Speaker 13: completely change. My biggest disappointment is that how quickly the

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Speaker 13: New Zealanders seem to forget that labor got us in

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Speaker 13: this whole and nationally trying to do their best to

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Speaker 13: get out of it. And it's not going to happen

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Speaker 13: in five minutes. So all of a sudden they turn

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Speaker 13: on them, and you know, the Poles they go down

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Speaker 13: in the polls, and it's disappointing because you know, Rome

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Speaker 13: wasn't built in a day, and it would be disappointing

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Speaker 13: to see them not be able to continue on with

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Speaker 13: this path because I do believe it will provide fruit,

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Speaker 13: but you know it's going to take a long time.

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Speaker 3: But Maria, do you think that it becomes a self

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Speaker 3: fulfilling prophecy, So the Poles influence more bad polls and

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Speaker 3: influence more content about the government, Yeah.

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Speaker 13: May well do yes, discontent will breed more discontent. I agree,

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Speaker 13: and I just hope that they will be able to

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Speaker 13: show the New Zealand public that they are on the

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Speaker 13: right path and to bear with them, because what's your alternative?

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Speaker 13: Look where we got?

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Speaker 3: If you think they're on the right path. Do you

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Speaker 3: think their messaging is wrong how they're presenting it to

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Speaker 3: the people?

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Speaker 14: Lord?

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Speaker 3: Do you think that people, no matter what the messaging

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Speaker 3: is and no matter who's sending it, if they're currently

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Speaker 3: going through difficult times as we rebuild, they're just going

515
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Speaker 3: to feel angry about things, and whoever rings up, they'll go.

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Speaker 3: I don't like the current government.

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Speaker 13: I think there's a certain amount of treating softly softly,

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Speaker 13: and I don't really necessarily think that that is the

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Speaker 13: right way to go. I think we need to, you know,

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Speaker 13: put our foot to the floor and you know, don't

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Speaker 13: apologize for it. What has to be done. And maybe

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Speaker 13: they should, you know, espouse that better to the public.

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Speaker 2: To a lot of people, Mary, and I hear what

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Speaker 2: you're saying, and you know, that is a conundrum that

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Speaker 2: New Zealand has long had. And you can have that

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Speaker 2: arguments about longer terms and government where you stretch that

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Speaker 2: out to four years, but for a lot of people, Mary,

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Speaker 2: one to three years is a lot of time. That's

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Speaker 2: a lot of patience to see their life start to

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Speaker 2: get a little bit better or things turn around. And

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Speaker 2: to be frank, national has had what eighteen months, and

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Speaker 2: people are still feeling that pain, as the Prime Minister

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Speaker 2: has said, So they got to get moving. They got

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Speaker 2: to get moving.

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Speaker 13: Yeah they do, and they need to go hard and

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Speaker 13: not sort of, you know, try and soften the blow.

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Speaker 3: So if you were the current government or the current

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Speaker 3: coalition or any members of it, would you just ignore

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Speaker 3: the poles? You just keep doing what you're doing, focus

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Speaker 3: on what you're going And I mean when St. Peter's

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Speaker 3: always famously says he doesn't read the polls, he doesn't

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Speaker 3: believe it. There's only one poll that counts, and this

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Speaker 3: is the election day. But would you just go go hard,

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Speaker 3: go what you're doing, don't waste any time, don't answer

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Speaker 3: any questions about it, just go on the path that

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Speaker 3: you think is right for the country. And poles are

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Speaker 3: just a distraction.

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Speaker 13: I think it's wise to have a near to the ground,

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Speaker 13: but I still think that they should still go hard.

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Speaker 13: And I think that's what maybe that's the reason what

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Speaker 13: It is the reason why the polls are slipped for

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Speaker 13: them because people don't think they've gone hard enough, quick.

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Speaker 3: Enough, go hard. So you say, that's your message. So

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Speaker 3: if this was if if Christopher Luxon's listening, the message

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Speaker 3: from Mary is.

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Speaker 13: Go hard, go hard to go home.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great slogan. Love your style, Mary, Thank

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Speaker 2: you very much, go hard or go home. Your call, Oh, eight,

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Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 2: It is twenty two to two. Beg very shortly. You're

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Speaker 2: listening to Matt and Tyler.

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Speaker 11: The issues that affect you and a bit of fun

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Speaker 11: along the way.

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Speaker 1: Matt and Taylor Afternoons with the Volvo xc N eighty Innovation,

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Speaker 1: Style and design.

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Speaker 11: Have it all youth talk said.

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Speaker 2: Be very good afternoon to you. It is nineteen to

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Speaker 2: two and we're talking about the polls. Do you care

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Speaker 2: one iota what they say? Eighteen months out from an election?

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Speaker 3: This text on nineteen nine two. Hi, guys, it's pretty simple.

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Speaker 3: People are feeling poorer and losing their jobs currently, so

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Speaker 3: they are going to vote for change. If the economy

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Speaker 3: is doing better by the election time, the government will

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Speaker 3: get back in If it isn't they are out? Thanks? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean you know you hear that all the time,

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Speaker 3: don't you. It's the economy stupid. Yeah, I mean it

577
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Speaker 3: always is the case. If you ring someone up and

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Speaker 3: they can't afford their bills, then they're probably not going

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Speaker 3: to answer the call on a very you know, well,

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Speaker 3: we don't really have not don't ask what the country

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Speaker 3: can do for you, ask what you can do for

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Speaker 3: the country. Kind of attitude dewey anymore. We're easy to

583
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Speaker 3: blame the government if you say, if someone said we

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Speaker 3: all need to grind this out for the good of

585
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Speaker 3: the company, we've ended the company, good of the country.

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Speaker 3: We've ended up in a tough spot. We need to

587
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Speaker 3: just go hard together and we're all going to feel

588
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Speaker 3: a bit of pain. You ring that person up and

589
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Speaker 3: they'll say, I'm voting for the other guys exactly.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately it's Scott. How are you mate?

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Speaker 5: Good? How are you guys?

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Speaker 2: Ye're good? So first up, do you take any notice

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Speaker 2: of polls at the stage of the electoral cycle, to

594
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Speaker 2: be honest, not not particularly.

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Speaker 4: We're quite a way is out and the you know,

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Speaker 4: the old thing is a week in politics, because a

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Speaker 4: year in a lifetime sort of thing. So I think

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Speaker 4: it's a bit too soon to start being too excited

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Speaker 4: about polling at this stage, maybe until next year or

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Speaker 4: maybe after the local local elections to see what there's

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Speaker 4: any change there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So do you think currently that well, this is

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Speaker 3: just the polls at the moment is a reflection of

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Speaker 3: how people are feeling this month? Is really what you're saying,

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Speaker 3: isn't it?

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Speaker 4: I would say so, And I think give the perspective

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Speaker 4: I suppose earlier from someone said that, you know, this

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Speaker 4: is the second time the Nationals coming off the back

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Speaker 4: of not the best economic outlook. I mean, you saw

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Speaker 4: chron key into back in two thousand, late twenty ten's

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Speaker 4: there from something that wasn't too bad, but they managed

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Speaker 4: to swing to an economy quite around quite quickly, and

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Speaker 4: there was a bit of a recovery there, and I

614
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Speaker 4: think this time around maybe the coalition sort of got

615
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Speaker 4: a bit of a shock from how the books were,

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Speaker 4: the sort of plan and place wasn't particularly put forward

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Speaker 4: that well, and they've had to change, and I think

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Speaker 4: they've had to change their step would have been sort

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Speaker 4: of make up as they're going, and it's sort of

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Speaker 4: giving off maybe a little bit lack of confidence, and

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Speaker 4: I think they're hoping to turn around a bit of

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Speaker 4: the conditions for the country sooner than I hoped. But

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Speaker 4: as you guys said, at the moment, it's sort of

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Speaker 4: gotten worse before it gets better, and whether it gets

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Speaker 4: better or not up to people to believe.

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Speaker 3: Do you think people that are called up on a phone, Scott,

627
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Speaker 3: you kind of talk about mood and how they're feeling

628
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Speaker 3: at a certain point, see people go, well, it's only

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Speaker 3: been eighteen months, so do they really expect that it

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Speaker 3: could have been turned around that quickly? And if that's

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Speaker 3: the case, do they then go all the other Because

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Speaker 3: really what they're saying is your eighteen months, you haven't

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Speaker 3: turned it around, so we'll go back to the other guys.

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Speaker 3: Is really what you're saying. If the left block is

635
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Speaker 3: now the right block? Do you think people think about

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Speaker 3: it that much they analyze it or you've just rung

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Speaker 3: up on the phone and you go, yah, things aren't

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Speaker 3: great to the guys that are in at the moment.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think it's a bit of a Debbie Dana approach

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Speaker 4: in the country. I think of the stage a people.

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Speaker 4: I guess people need to maybe do a bit more

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Speaker 4: critical thinking. I suppose a sort of what you guys

644
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Speaker 4: did before, maybe how much you can contribute to the

645
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Speaker 4: country as well. I mean, people have to be pragmatic.

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Speaker 4: It's not easy for most people, and you sort of

647
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Speaker 4: have to push through that, I guess. I mean there

648
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Speaker 4: are two neervers going back. But I mean, to be honest,

649
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Speaker 4: labor wasn't even much better than what national was doing now,

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Speaker 4: so you sort of have to stick it out. I mean,

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Speaker 4: three years is not a long time when you compare

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Speaker 4: it to other countries around the world, But I guess

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Speaker 4: they just have to crack on and do it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh me, he's Scott. There are some elements to

655
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Speaker 2: the cost living crisis and that economic pain that, yes,

656
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Speaker 2: it's in control of the government. Those things can take

657
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Speaker 2: time to turn around, right. So for example, the interest

658
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Speaker 2: rate the Reserve Bank has primarily you know, ownership or

659
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Speaker 2: they control where that interest rate goes far more than

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Speaker 2: the government does. Think if inflation goes down, then they

661
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Speaker 2: can start to bring that inflation rate. Are that interest

662
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Speaker 2: rate down the same with the cost of food? Right,

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Speaker 2: So just because inflation has gone back to about four

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Speaker 2: percent or three percent, doesn't mean that all of a sudden.

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Speaker 2: Now groceries are going to get a heck of a

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Speaker 2: lot cheaper, So those things all take a bit of

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Speaker 2: time to start to feed through.

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Speaker 4: That's right, and I think people need to remember that

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Speaker 4: as well. The economic decisions take much longer than a

670
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Speaker 4: lot of other areas and government departments that take effect,

671
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Speaker 4: and people need to let that the dusted. I suppose

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Speaker 4: from the aftermath of COVID and any policy reversals, because

673
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Speaker 4: there's there's been quite a bit of change from the

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Speaker 4: coalition from what Labor has done, and I guess that

675
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Speaker 4: sort of feeds into what you said earlier about maybe

676
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Speaker 4: we should do it extend the two moments before where

677
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Speaker 4: there's a bit more of a policy change setting, so

678
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Speaker 4: people have more.

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Speaker 15: Confidence than I agree.

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Speaker 3: That's so true, Scott. I mean, the idea that you

681
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Speaker 3: implement your policy in three years is it's insane to

682
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Speaker 3: me because for a start, the first year you're just

683
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Speaker 3: getting settled into to your portfolios and your jobs and stuff.

684
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Speaker 3: You've got about a year to do something, and then

685
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Speaker 3: the final year is just campaigning again to be re elected.

686
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Speaker 3: Got to extend the terms absolutely, because if people vote

687
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Speaker 3: in a government because they don't like what's the way

688
00:32:41,733 --> 00:32:43,733
Speaker 3: it's going. You've got to at least give them a

689
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Speaker 3: chance to implement what they believe in whichever way it's going, right.

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Speaker 3: I find it insane that we have three year terms.

691
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Speaker 3: Three is so such a short time to change anything.

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Speaker 3: They thank you so much we call Scott.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd agree with that. I mean, what would you do?

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Speaker 2: Four years to me sounds like a good amount of time.

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Speaker 2: Five years I think would be too much because then

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Speaker 2: people would argue there was a lot of anger towards

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Speaker 2: the last government, labor government, and having them in for

698
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Speaker 2: another two years could have been very, very problematic for

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Speaker 2: the country.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, is Auckland ever going to be able

701
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Speaker 3: to forgive them for that final lockdown? Yeah? I don't

702
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Speaker 3: know what I saw it to people are around me

703
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Speaker 3: in children and how recklessly that was imposed upon Auckland.

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Speaker 3: You know, I don't know. It will take me a

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Speaker 3: while to forgive them for that. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 2: It is twelve to two. You're listening to Matt and Tyler.

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Speaker 1: Good afternoon, Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on

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Speaker 1: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Matten Taylor Afternoons with

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Speaker 2: B News Talks the B ten to two.

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Speaker 3: This textans interesting nineteen nine two. I think the issue

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Speaker 3: is that this government campaigned on economic improvement. Therefore lack

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Speaker 3: of big ideas and progresses biting into their credibility ends

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Speaker 3: up as an emperors has new closed situation from terry.

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Speaker 3: I mean that is the problem with campaigning and then

718
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Speaker 3: getting in right, so you say, these guys are up,

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Speaker 3: we can fix it. It's simple. We just have to

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Speaker 3: do this, this and this, and then you get in

721
00:34:15,013 --> 00:34:16,853
Speaker 3: and you go, oh, it was way harder than that.

722
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Speaker 3: And then you say to people, oh, yeah, it wasn't

723
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Speaker 3: exactly what we thought was going to happen, and the

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Speaker 3: books are way worse. But that on the campaign to win,

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Speaker 3: you have to say it's easy, we can fix it,

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Speaker 3: let's go, and so then to pivot to saying we

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Speaker 3: need a lot of time. This is really hard. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: kind of there's kind of a disconnect there.

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Speaker 2: But that happens each political cycle. Right, maybe you're.

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Speaker 3: Probably not going to get elected if you go Jesus

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Speaker 3: hard I don't know. We'll give it a good old key.

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Speaker 2: We try. It's going to take some time. Just bear

733
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Speaker 2: with us. We will get there, but give us at

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Speaker 2: least three terms to get it done.

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Speaker 3: Hopefully we've got the answers. Yeah, two terms at least

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Speaker 3: for this one bill.

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Speaker 2: How are you mate?

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Speaker 16: Good boys? They yet forty thousand public servants. It's they

739
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Speaker 16: all voted for national so they won't be too happy.

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Speaker 16: Everyone who works for a covenant department is under thread

741
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Speaker 16: at the moment. Then you've got the health budget blowout

742
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Speaker 16: calls by the nurse's back pay that had already been

743
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Speaker 16: agreed upon. Then you've got the hospital that's not going

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Speaker 16: to be built now well it's going to be headed

745
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Speaker 16: onto apparently, and what all these other things. And then

746
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Speaker 16: you've got this odd little guy who brings up thirteen

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Speaker 16: year olds in the middle of the night without the

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Speaker 16: appearance knowing and he texted them, so he apparently was

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Speaker 16: texting them.

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Speaker 2: You're going to have to go there, yeah, hope, let's

751
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Speaker 2: say have a chat to Shane get mates apparently. Yeah,

752
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Speaker 2: and what are you reckon the poles? What are you reckon?

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Speaker 17: Well, if you go back even a couple of weeks

754
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Speaker 17: before the polls had lux and his leadership still declining.

755
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Speaker 17: And that's been kind of a line that's been happening, right,

756
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Speaker 17: that's a trend that's been going, so we know that.

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Speaker 17: But it also had the coalition still in command of

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Speaker 17: the House. And was there a public outcry or an

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Speaker 17: outreach in the farm media. There was only that one

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Speaker 17: outsnippet that I can recall going on the news or

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Speaker 17: in another media outlets, Facebook or what have you. But

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Speaker 17: all of a sudden, you have two poles that come

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Speaker 17: out neck to neck and they depict a different story

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Speaker 17: and it's like big news. It's like, oh, it's collapsing,

765
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Speaker 17: but it's it's kind of like this. I used to

766
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Speaker 17: think Poling's had a bit of a standard to what

767
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Speaker 17: kind of enabled kiwriis to kind of think of ahead

768
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Speaker 17: of it. But you know, we're a country now, we're

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Speaker 17: quite We're still the number one, number eight y country.

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Speaker 17: We're a lot of kiwis now. There is a bit

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Speaker 17: of a distrust with media. And I'm not saying you guys,

772
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Speaker 17: but there is a bit of a trust. This trust

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Speaker 17: out there. So keywis go and search for in other platforms,

774
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Speaker 17: other notions of what the content is about. And I

775
00:36:56,933 --> 00:36:59,453
Speaker 17: think we're a country now that are beginning to realize

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Speaker 17: the rhetoric that's out there now. And I'm not going

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Speaker 17: to go and blaying other opposition parties and whatever, but

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Speaker 17: if you look at the narrative of where our country

779
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Speaker 17: sits today, it's not too bad considering it was a

780
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Speaker 17: big ship turning into an iceberg that has to be

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Speaker 17: turned around. And yes, I believe your argument is right.

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Speaker 17: Three years is never long enough to try and sustain

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Speaker 17: sustainability within any working government of this calenber. But you

784
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Speaker 17: need to make sure that the New Zealanders are becoming

785
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Speaker 17: a lot more devoted to common sense. And that's kind

786
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Speaker 17: of a narrative I'm hearing right throughout the Golotcha moment

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Speaker 17: and MEDIAIR and the news. I think people are getting

788
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Speaker 17: tisome of that because it's kind of like, oh, here

789
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Speaker 17: we go again. And I think key reason enough in

790
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Speaker 17: another twenty months or what have you, for the next

791
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Speaker 17: election will either note a notable change. And you know

792
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Speaker 17: what about this, guys. So the US election, and I

793
00:37:54,573 --> 00:37:57,813
Speaker 17: don't say we are like the US depicted a net

794
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Speaker 17: to net race right through and that's what it read

795
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Speaker 17: even up to the date of the election, and look

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Speaker 17: what happened. So these platforms that give you out certain

797
00:38:09,773 --> 00:38:13,253
Speaker 17: narratives or certain ballot points of what's happening in that

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Speaker 17: snapshot doesn't necessarily mean that's the outcome coming into an election.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, because these news outlets have to make money

800
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Speaker 3: from the situation. So you know, if you're looking at

801
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Speaker 3: the electoral race in the States, they didn't look like

802
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Speaker 3: a path for Karmela for quite a long time. That

803
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Speaker 3: seemed to be shut down and some people were saying that,

804
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Speaker 3: But that doesn't really play out very well, does it.

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Speaker 3: When you just say no.

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Speaker 17: No, it doesn't. It just showed you that the populace

807
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Speaker 17: of the people whom they thought were going to go

808
00:38:39,293 --> 00:38:42,213
Speaker 17: for the minority to a different group didn't happen. And

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Speaker 17: I think that's going to be the same. Well, I

810
00:38:44,573 --> 00:38:47,293
Speaker 17: feel personally that New Zealanders, you know, we'll wake up,

811
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Speaker 17: we'll wake up.

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Speaker 8: And there's the.

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Speaker 17: Smoke screens of all political parties that kind of try

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Speaker 17: to entice you to follow their flag and their tail.

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Speaker 17: But I think when you look at it now, we

816
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Speaker 17: see more poverty, we see crime, we see higher rates

817
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Speaker 17: of people living on the streets, we're kind of looking

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Speaker 17: back at something and decades ago used to see across

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Speaker 17: foreign worlds and go, it'll never happen in our country.

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Speaker 11: But it is.

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Speaker 17: And I think New Zealand is intelligent enough now to

822
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Speaker 17: kind of go, well, hold on, this is a big

823
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Speaker 17: ship that we're turning here. We need to see change.

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Speaker 17: And when it's like something that the Deputy Prime minister

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Speaker 17: over in them you said to someone who asked her

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Speaker 17: about price of food, right, and I think you guys

827
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Speaker 17: have said, on a bit of a differently, go, you know,

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Speaker 17: the cost of living, particularly save food, will never change

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Speaker 17: until we can have our own fuel resources so that

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Speaker 17: those trucking companies that can buy fuel at a cheaper

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Speaker 17: rate don't charge another higher rate. So therefore the recipie

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Speaker 17: to the people is cheaper. It's not about here's the

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Speaker 17: economy change and everything's cheap over night. It doesn't work

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Speaker 17: that way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Shane, thank you very much. Right, good discussion. That

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Speaker 2: is where we'll leave it, because after two o'clock we

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Speaker 2: want to have a we chat about cocaine.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so the Columbian president has said cocaine should be

839
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Speaker 3: treated like wine, and then we wouldn't have had it

840
00:40:06,293 --> 00:40:08,173
Speaker 3: wouldn't have nearly as many problems as we do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is going to be a great discussion, and

842
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Speaker 2: we're also going to have a chant to the executive

843
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Speaker 2: director of the New Zealand Drug Foundation, Sarah Helm about

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Speaker 2: our increased cocaine use that's coming up.

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Speaker 1: Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams.

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Speaker 11: Afternoons with the Volvo XC nineteen News Talks be.

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Speaker 2: Today. Welcome back into the show. So this next hour

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Speaker 2: or so is going to be an absolute doozy of

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Speaker 2: a debates.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. So the Colombian President Gustavo Petro has

851
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Speaker 3: said cocaine is no worse than whiskey. In a live broadcast,

852
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Speaker 3: he says scientists have analyzed this, cocaine is no worse

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Speaker 3: than whiskey. If you want peace, you have toss dismantle

854
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Speaker 3: the business of drug trafficking. It could easily be dismantled

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Speaker 3: if they legalized cocaine in the world. It should be

856
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Speaker 3: sold like wine. So there is no doubt that cocaine

857
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Speaker 3: causes problems. It's extremely addictive drug, But are the problem

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Speaker 3: it causes worse than the problems that its prohibition causes.

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Speaker 3: In terms of the money going to bad people, the

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Speaker 3: river of blood that flows into it, the propping up

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Speaker 3: of gangs. Is that worse? What's what's worse at the moment.

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Speaker 3: And if you look at the stats on cocaine, it's

863
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Speaker 3: doubling the usage in New Zealand. So what if we're

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Speaker 3: doing now it's a very successful product that is going

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Speaker 3: very well out there in the world.

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Speaker 2: It's an interesting point. I mean when you look at

867
00:41:38,093 --> 00:41:41,093
Speaker 2: the likes of Colombia, clearly a lot of blood is

868
00:41:41,133 --> 00:41:43,373
Speaker 2: spilt over this particular drug. But then you look at

869
00:41:43,373 --> 00:41:45,973
Speaker 2: the problems of Mexico and the US border, some huge

870
00:41:46,013 --> 00:41:48,973
Speaker 2: issues there that are still underway right now. And he

871
00:41:49,013 --> 00:41:50,692
Speaker 2: made it. He makes a fear point. I know, he's

872
00:41:50,693 --> 00:41:52,373
Speaker 2: got his problems. The Columbian president.

873
00:41:52,573 --> 00:41:56,693
Speaker 3: I mean, any any Colombian Colombian president talking about cocaine

874
00:41:56,813 --> 00:41:59,813
Speaker 3: is going to be corrupted. You always wondering what's going

875
00:41:59,853 --> 00:42:02,133
Speaker 3: on around there. And he has tried to reach out

876
00:42:02,173 --> 00:42:05,013
Speaker 3: to the different drug traffickers and cartails and stuff to

877
00:42:05,013 --> 00:42:06,693
Speaker 3: try and bring some peace to the situation.

878
00:42:07,093 --> 00:42:08,333
Speaker 2: Good luck to him, But I don't know.

879
00:42:08,453 --> 00:42:10,093
Speaker 3: I mean, one thing is for sure, the drug cartails

880
00:42:10,093 --> 00:42:11,933
Speaker 3: don't want it to be legal. No, they don't want

881
00:42:11,973 --> 00:42:15,013
Speaker 3: it just to be a Colombian crop that's sold like

882
00:42:15,053 --> 00:42:15,413
Speaker 3: any other.

883
00:42:15,613 --> 00:42:17,773
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're making they'll make an egg of a lot

884
00:42:17,773 --> 00:42:20,013
Speaker 2: of cash by controlling that with violence.

885
00:42:20,533 --> 00:42:20,772
Speaker 5: Clear.

886
00:42:20,813 --> 00:42:23,813
Speaker 3: The other thing is New Zealand pays a lot more

887
00:42:24,333 --> 00:42:26,413
Speaker 3: for cocaine than a lot of other countries in the world,

888
00:42:26,453 --> 00:42:29,973
Speaker 3: so it gets targeted specifically for the outsized profits you

889
00:42:30,013 --> 00:42:32,773
Speaker 3: can make selling cocaine in New Zealand. Yeah, so if

890
00:42:32,853 --> 00:42:36,293
Speaker 3: you legalized it, not legalized it, but if you restricted

891
00:42:36,293 --> 00:42:40,013
Speaker 3: it, it made it available in the same way that alcohol

892
00:42:40,093 --> 00:42:44,973
Speaker 3: is available whiskey, as he points out, or wine. Would

893
00:42:45,013 --> 00:42:48,413
Speaker 3: that be more damage or less damage than we're currently got?

894
00:42:48,413 --> 00:42:48,533
Speaker 18: Now?

895
00:42:48,693 --> 00:42:51,692
Speaker 2: Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number? Too cool?

896
00:42:51,933 --> 00:42:54,613
Speaker 2: Nine two nine tools the text number. I will say,

897
00:42:54,973 --> 00:42:57,693
Speaker 2: I think it is fairly rampant in New Zealand. Clearly

898
00:42:57,933 --> 00:43:00,773
Speaker 2: it is increasing, judging by the wastewater testing in New

899
00:43:00,853 --> 00:43:04,693
Speaker 2: Zealand showed the kiwi's cocaine consumption was at an all

900
00:43:05,533 --> 00:43:08,813
Speaker 2: all time high rather with the latest quarter consumption almost

901
00:43:08,893 --> 00:43:12,253
Speaker 2: twice as high as a previous year's average, so double

902
00:43:12,293 --> 00:43:15,373
Speaker 2: the amount of cocaine usage in a year's time.

903
00:43:15,493 --> 00:43:18,933
Speaker 3: I mean, well, we all know how dublin goes exponential exactly,

904
00:43:19,053 --> 00:43:21,013
Speaker 3: but within five days you'll all be on it.

905
00:43:22,533 --> 00:43:24,893
Speaker 2: But I one hundred eighty ten eighty. If you are

906
00:43:25,173 --> 00:43:30,493
Speaker 2: in a social circle that regularly consumes cocaine, we'd love

907
00:43:30,533 --> 00:43:32,413
Speaker 2: to hear from you. There's no judgment here, but I

908
00:43:32,533 --> 00:43:36,893
Speaker 2: think a lot of listeners would be surprised how popular

909
00:43:37,093 --> 00:43:39,732
Speaker 2: it is, particularly in the big cities. I one hundred

910
00:43:39,813 --> 00:43:42,053
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty. The phone lines have already let up

911
00:43:42,133 --> 00:43:44,893
Speaker 2: nine two nine tools the text number it is ten

912
00:43:44,973 --> 00:43:47,212
Speaker 2: past two. Back pretty shortly here on news Talks edb.

913
00:43:48,573 --> 00:43:52,893
Speaker 1: Wow, your new home of afternoon Talk Matt and Taylor

914
00:43:53,013 --> 00:43:56,692
Speaker 1: Afternoon with the Volvo XC ninety, turn every journey into

915
00:43:56,933 --> 00:44:00,333
Speaker 1: something special. Call Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty News.

916
00:44:00,133 --> 00:44:04,373
Speaker 2: Talk s'b Well, the phone lines have led up I

917
00:44:04,493 --> 00:44:07,013
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten to eighty. And it is

918
00:44:07,053 --> 00:44:11,093
Speaker 2: on the back of Colombian President of course Stavo Petro

919
00:44:11,253 --> 00:44:14,693
Speaker 2: saying that cocaine is no worse than whiskey and is

920
00:44:14,773 --> 00:44:17,453
Speaker 2: calling for the legalization of that particular drug.

921
00:44:17,653 --> 00:44:19,373
Speaker 3: Here's a text on nine two two boys. I went

922
00:44:19,413 --> 00:44:21,053
Speaker 3: to a wedding on the weekend and I was surprised

923
00:44:21,053 --> 00:44:23,733
Speaker 3: how rampant drugs were, including the wedding party. On the

924
00:44:23,773 --> 00:44:26,053
Speaker 3: day of the wedding. I couldn't believe how open they

925
00:44:26,053 --> 00:44:30,213
Speaker 3: were at offering to everyone at the wedding. Yeah. So

926
00:44:30,333 --> 00:44:34,533
Speaker 3: whatever our process of dealing with drugs in New Zealand,

927
00:44:35,013 --> 00:44:38,413
Speaker 3: it doesn't seem like the usage is going down if

928
00:44:38,413 --> 00:44:41,493
Speaker 3: that is the goal of what we're doing. So do

929
00:44:41,533 --> 00:44:43,733
Speaker 3: we agree? And it sounds like a weird thing to say,

930
00:44:43,773 --> 00:44:47,093
Speaker 3: but do you agree with the Colombian President Gustavo Petro

931
00:44:47,213 --> 00:44:50,573
Speaker 3: who says cocaine is no worse than whiskey and it

932
00:44:50,653 --> 00:44:54,613
Speaker 3: should be sold like wine. Let's go to the phones, Willie,

933
00:44:54,693 --> 00:44:55,533
Speaker 3: Welcome to the show.

934
00:44:56,573 --> 00:45:00,213
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, good eh, Yes, I'll be about the sedictive

935
00:45:00,773 --> 00:45:04,453
Speaker 8: qualities of cocaine. I disagree with that. I was in

936
00:45:04,693 --> 00:45:06,413
Speaker 8: Peru about forty years ago.

937
00:45:06,973 --> 00:45:07,373
Speaker 19: And.

938
00:45:08,773 --> 00:45:10,893
Speaker 8: I would have had it on a daily basis for

939
00:45:11,013 --> 00:45:13,933
Speaker 8: about I suppose four weeks, the last four or five

940
00:45:13,973 --> 00:45:16,933
Speaker 8: weeks I was there, and I left the country and

941
00:45:16,973 --> 00:45:19,493
Speaker 8: that was it, no addiction at all.

942
00:45:19,653 --> 00:45:21,733
Speaker 3: So you came back to New Zealand.

943
00:45:21,413 --> 00:45:25,013
Speaker 14: And you didn't the places, but I went to.

944
00:45:24,933 --> 00:45:28,093
Speaker 8: Other places but I didn't. Yeah, I didn't have any

945
00:45:28,133 --> 00:45:29,253
Speaker 8: more cocaine.

946
00:45:28,973 --> 00:45:31,573
Speaker 3: And you've never you've never had cocaine again after that,

947
00:45:31,573 --> 00:45:33,573
Speaker 3: that sort of flirtation with it in Peru.

948
00:45:33,693 --> 00:45:35,652
Speaker 8: Yeah, that was pretty Yeah, I haven't. I've had it since,

949
00:45:35,693 --> 00:45:38,293
Speaker 8: but hardly any not much at all.

950
00:45:38,693 --> 00:45:40,573
Speaker 3: How was how was your experience? So how long did

951
00:45:40,613 --> 00:45:42,973
Speaker 3: you say that you were taking cocaine and Peru.

952
00:45:42,733 --> 00:45:46,613
Speaker 8: For oh for about five or six weeks.

953
00:45:46,533 --> 00:45:47,573
Speaker 3: Right, and every day?

954
00:45:48,933 --> 00:45:49,172
Speaker 5: Yep?

955
00:45:49,973 --> 00:45:52,053
Speaker 3: And And how was how was your time over there?

956
00:45:52,133 --> 00:45:53,453
Speaker 3: How was that five or six weeks?

957
00:45:53,453 --> 00:45:53,733
Speaker 5: It was?

958
00:45:54,293 --> 00:45:55,653
Speaker 8: Yeah, it was good, fantastic.

959
00:45:55,653 --> 00:45:59,493
Speaker 2: I get lots of sleep, Yeah, just normal.

960
00:45:59,973 --> 00:46:02,253
Speaker 8: Well, I wasn't hugging out on it. I was just

961
00:46:02,773 --> 00:46:05,813
Speaker 8: having it sort of yeah, once a day, I suppose

962
00:46:05,813 --> 00:46:06,293
Speaker 8: in the evening.

963
00:46:06,613 --> 00:46:11,732
Speaker 3: And what were you doing over there at the time, surfing?

964
00:46:11,813 --> 00:46:13,333
Speaker 3: So you so you're on a holiday kind of thing.

965
00:46:14,573 --> 00:46:17,133
Speaker 8: Yeah, and the surfers over there all have it before

966
00:46:17,173 --> 00:46:20,613
Speaker 8: they go out, okay ya they call it because they

967
00:46:20,693 --> 00:46:23,933
Speaker 8: use their keys to get their keys into a bag. Yeah,

968
00:46:24,733 --> 00:46:25,933
Speaker 8: snip it up their nose here.

969
00:46:26,053 --> 00:46:29,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, I understand. It's very different from the cocaine that

970
00:46:29,253 --> 00:46:32,933
Speaker 3: we get in New Zealand because you know, in yeah,

971
00:46:33,253 --> 00:46:35,533
Speaker 3: it's more Yeah, So I mean there's a lot of

972
00:46:35,613 --> 00:46:38,173
Speaker 3: dangerous stuff that exists in the cocaine that's sold in

973
00:46:38,213 --> 00:46:38,653
Speaker 3: New Zealand.

974
00:46:39,093 --> 00:46:41,853
Speaker 8: I've had it here and it's it's rubbish. Really, it's

975
00:46:42,213 --> 00:46:43,493
Speaker 8: sort of speedy here.

976
00:46:44,053 --> 00:46:45,853
Speaker 3: So the cocaine when you were taking it in Peru,

977
00:46:46,133 --> 00:46:50,453
Speaker 3: was it more of a half hour high and then move.

978
00:46:50,293 --> 00:46:58,373
Speaker 8: On and no longer longer than that an hour an

979
00:46:58,413 --> 00:46:58,933
Speaker 8: hour and a half.

980
00:46:59,053 --> 00:47:01,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, did you find yourself talking a lot of crap?

981
00:47:03,813 --> 00:47:05,413
Speaker 8: The people who are listening to me.

982
00:47:07,093 --> 00:47:09,013
Speaker 3: Well, if they're taking cocaine as well, they're probably talking

983
00:47:09,093 --> 00:47:12,773
Speaker 3: their own.

984
00:47:14,013 --> 00:47:15,933
Speaker 8: You talk of it. Yeah, it's not too bad.

985
00:47:16,773 --> 00:47:19,813
Speaker 2: And in terms of, you know, the social aspect of

986
00:47:19,853 --> 00:47:23,253
Speaker 2: it in Peru, is it pretty normal? Pretty normal to normal.

987
00:47:23,373 --> 00:47:29,613
Speaker 8: Normal Here you go to a medium market, app market

988
00:47:30,573 --> 00:47:33,853
Speaker 8: establishment and you're going to the toilet and your your

989
00:47:33,893 --> 00:47:40,253
Speaker 8: here is sniffing, not not get flushes or anything like that, sniffing.

990
00:47:39,493 --> 00:47:42,453
Speaker 3: And as it over there, I mean a while back

991
00:47:42,493 --> 00:47:44,533
Speaker 3: that you're talking about, was that scene as a huge

992
00:47:44,533 --> 00:47:49,293
Speaker 3: social harm over there? That cocaine was causing problems obviously

993
00:47:49,453 --> 00:47:51,173
Speaker 3: cause problems with the cartails and the selling it and

994
00:47:51,173 --> 00:47:52,172
Speaker 3: then smuggling it, But.

995
00:47:52,933 --> 00:47:55,813
Speaker 8: Any of that, I didn't see any of that. I

996
00:47:55,853 --> 00:47:57,212
Speaker 8: think yeah.

997
00:47:58,293 --> 00:48:03,013
Speaker 2: So so when it comes to that, yeah, no, great

998
00:48:03,013 --> 00:48:04,533
Speaker 2: to chat to you, Willie. So when it comes to

999
00:48:04,573 --> 00:48:07,172
Speaker 2: what the Colombian president has has said, and we've got

1000
00:48:07,213 --> 00:48:08,693
Speaker 2: to take it with a little bit of grain assault

1001
00:48:08,733 --> 00:48:11,813
Speaker 2: because it does become legal, they make yeah, they make

1002
00:48:11,853 --> 00:48:14,373
Speaker 2: a lot of money. But do you do you see

1003
00:48:14,413 --> 00:48:17,893
Speaker 2: some rational behind the idea of looking at those drug

1004
00:48:18,053 --> 00:48:20,573
Speaker 2: laws when it comes at like of likes of cocaine,

1005
00:48:21,293 --> 00:48:21,693
Speaker 2: a lot.

1006
00:48:21,533 --> 00:48:23,173
Speaker 8: Of I do I do?

1007
00:48:25,333 --> 00:48:25,732
Speaker 2: All right?

1008
00:48:25,773 --> 00:48:28,973
Speaker 8: Because they said this about marijuana, Remember that they sit

1009
00:48:29,053 --> 00:48:31,453
Speaker 8: there highly addictive of ours and all vessel of things,

1010
00:48:32,013 --> 00:48:34,253
Speaker 8: and it turns out it's not addictive at all.

1011
00:48:36,213 --> 00:48:38,093
Speaker 3: Is there is it in your experience? Well, there's so

1012
00:48:38,173 --> 00:48:39,413
Speaker 3: much of a cocaine scene down in.

1013
00:48:39,373 --> 00:48:43,453
Speaker 1: Dunedin, I would never clue you're.

1014
00:48:43,293 --> 00:48:45,173
Speaker 3: Outside of that. Hey, thank you so much for your call, Willie.

1015
00:48:45,453 --> 00:48:49,493
Speaker 2: Very interesting one hundred eighty eight. I mean, that's fascinating.

1016
00:48:49,533 --> 00:48:53,413
Speaker 3: Imagined he was checking his pockets and his luggage a

1017
00:48:53,453 --> 00:48:54,812
Speaker 3: lot before he flew out of Peru.

1018
00:48:54,933 --> 00:48:57,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, you want to put the suitcase through the washing machine,

1019
00:48:57,333 --> 00:48:59,333
Speaker 2: don't you before you jump on the on board the flight.

1020
00:48:59,693 --> 00:49:01,253
Speaker 2: Uh quick, a couple of teas and we'll take more

1021
00:49:01,293 --> 00:49:04,853
Speaker 2: of your calls get a boys, if you've been to

1022
00:49:04,933 --> 00:49:09,373
Speaker 2: any sports team changing rooms recently in the UK, you'd

1023
00:49:09,373 --> 00:49:12,293
Speaker 2: be surprised the lines are racking up as soon as

1024
00:49:12,293 --> 00:49:15,453
Speaker 2: the final whistle blows. It's massively overrated, as a dragon

1025
00:49:15,493 --> 00:49:18,693
Speaker 2: wears off after thirty minutes, and it's not that addictive,

1026
00:49:18,813 --> 00:49:21,053
Speaker 2: but massive in UK circles.

1027
00:49:21,533 --> 00:49:24,533
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is an interesting question, guys. What measurement of

1028
00:49:24,613 --> 00:49:28,013
Speaker 3: whiskey is no worse? A Columbian president said, a bottle,

1029
00:49:28,053 --> 00:49:30,813
Speaker 3: a shot, a drum.

1030
00:49:31,933 --> 00:49:32,693
Speaker 2: It's a fair point.

1031
00:49:32,813 --> 00:49:35,253
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I mean when that's the thing, I mean,

1032
00:49:36,173 --> 00:49:39,493
Speaker 3: when you think about harm of anything, a one one

1033
00:49:39,493 --> 00:49:43,212
Speaker 3: two five of gin can do. There's not many things

1034
00:49:43,213 --> 00:49:44,533
Speaker 3: in the world that can do more harm than a

1035
00:49:44,693 --> 00:49:47,333
Speaker 3: one one two five of gin and an eighteen year

1036
00:49:47,333 --> 00:49:48,853
Speaker 3: old can work. And I'm not saying they shouldn't be

1037
00:49:48,893 --> 00:49:51,933
Speaker 3: able to do, but you know we I believe you

1038
00:49:51,933 --> 00:49:55,533
Speaker 3: could take responsibility for yourself, but an eighteen year old

1039
00:49:55,533 --> 00:49:57,293
Speaker 3: can walk into a bottle store and walk out with

1040
00:49:57,333 --> 00:49:59,493
Speaker 3: ten one one two fives of gin. Yeah, and that

1041
00:50:00,053 --> 00:50:01,292
Speaker 3: serious damage to your life.

1042
00:50:01,453 --> 00:50:03,853
Speaker 2: Definitely. Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is

1043
00:50:03,893 --> 00:50:05,933
Speaker 2: the number. Call nine two nine two is the text number.

1044
00:50:05,973 --> 00:50:06,973
Speaker 2: It's eighteen past two.

1045
00:50:07,133 --> 00:50:11,453
Speaker 3: Bag very shortly, So, Tiles, I hear you've been thinking

1046
00:50:11,493 --> 00:50:13,453
Speaker 3: about a new Volvo suv.

1047
00:50:13,453 --> 00:50:15,732
Speaker 2: You bed, and a lot of you will say that's

1048
00:50:15,733 --> 00:50:18,453
Speaker 2: a bold choice in a crowded suv market.

1049
00:50:18,453 --> 00:50:22,093
Speaker 3: But bear with us, So, Tiles, why wouldn't you choose

1050
00:50:22,133 --> 00:50:23,733
Speaker 3: the Volvo XC ninety.

1051
00:50:23,973 --> 00:50:27,053
Speaker 2: Well, Maddie, one look will tell you she's a spacious peace. Mate,

1052
00:50:27,133 --> 00:50:30,133
Speaker 2: was seating to get this up to seven people, truckloads

1053
00:50:30,173 --> 00:50:32,093
Speaker 2: of room for your luggage as well, mate.

1054
00:50:31,893 --> 00:50:34,613
Speaker 3: Well, of course, Tiles, being Volvo, the XC ninety is

1055
00:50:34,693 --> 00:50:38,333
Speaker 3: packed with Swedish nohow and quality and comes fully loaded

1056
00:50:38,373 --> 00:50:39,253
Speaker 3: with the latest tech.

1057
00:50:39,373 --> 00:50:43,053
Speaker 2: While the Swedes know this stuff, don't they In Google Maps,

1058
00:50:43,093 --> 00:50:44,453
Speaker 2: Google Assistant, Google.

1059
00:50:44,213 --> 00:50:46,652
Speaker 3: Play, what's not to love? I don't know, Tiles. The

1060
00:50:46,813 --> 00:50:50,493
Speaker 3: XC ninety's got a panoramic roof, advanced air purifier and

1061
00:50:50,533 --> 00:50:53,533
Speaker 3: a head up display that changes to suit light conditions.

1062
00:50:53,573 --> 00:50:57,053
Speaker 2: So basically, this bad boy, the Volvo XC ninety is

1063
00:50:57,213 --> 00:50:59,773
Speaker 2: blemen smooth, you know it, Tiles, especially with the air

1064
00:50:59,813 --> 00:51:02,733
Speaker 2: suspension system that constantly adjusts.

1065
00:51:02,373 --> 00:51:04,413
Speaker 3: The ride height and shock absorbers.

1066
00:51:04,533 --> 00:51:07,213
Speaker 2: So I reckon you need to visit Volvo cars and

1067
00:51:07,213 --> 00:51:11,253
Speaker 2: see why the VOLV ninety is the suv for you

1068
00:51:11,453 --> 00:51:12,093
Speaker 2: right now?

1069
00:51:12,213 --> 00:51:20,253
Speaker 1: Oh, will Matt Heathan Tyler Adams afternoons call OH eight

1070
00:51:20,373 --> 00:51:23,172
Speaker 1: hundred eighty ten eighty on used talk zb OH had.

1071
00:51:23,133 --> 00:51:25,893
Speaker 2: One hundred eighty ten eighty listening to Matton Tiles and

1072
00:51:25,893 --> 00:51:30,413
Speaker 2: we're talking about cocaine. This is on the back of

1073
00:51:30,493 --> 00:51:33,013
Speaker 2: the President of Columbia. Funny he would say this of

1074
00:51:33,013 --> 00:51:36,013
Speaker 2: all people, the President of Columbia saying that it's no

1075
00:51:36,133 --> 00:51:38,933
Speaker 2: worse than whiskey, and we should look to make it

1076
00:51:39,013 --> 00:51:40,813
Speaker 2: legal around the world. Of course that would be a

1077
00:51:40,853 --> 00:51:42,093
Speaker 2: good thing for Colombia.

1078
00:51:42,333 --> 00:51:44,093
Speaker 3: As textas says, I don't know if it would be

1079
00:51:44,093 --> 00:51:44,453
Speaker 3: a good thing.

1080
00:51:44,493 --> 00:51:44,773
Speaker 5: It might be.

1081
00:51:44,853 --> 00:51:46,212
Speaker 3: I think it'd be a good thing for the nation

1082
00:51:46,333 --> 00:51:50,013
Speaker 3: of Colombia. Yeh, Columbia. But I think there has been

1083
00:51:50,013 --> 00:51:51,893
Speaker 3: a lot of pushback from the cartels because you're making

1084
00:51:51,933 --> 00:51:54,813
Speaker 3: a hell of a lot of money selling it. Hey, guys,

1085
00:51:54,813 --> 00:51:57,653
Speaker 3: not really into taking cocaine myself. But here are a

1086
00:51:57,693 --> 00:52:02,533
Speaker 3: few few bits I found online that were one second,

1087
00:52:02,573 --> 00:52:04,853
Speaker 3: about four hundred texts came through and now one disappeared.

1088
00:52:06,173 --> 00:52:08,813
Speaker 3: Here we go, I'm back. I found that would make

1089
00:52:08,853 --> 00:52:12,413
Speaker 3: you think I would prefer to drink whiskey damage to

1090
00:52:12,413 --> 00:52:15,653
Speaker 3: the nasal tissues. Cocaine is corrosive and can cause significant

1091
00:52:15,693 --> 00:52:18,813
Speaker 3: damage to the delicate tissues inside the nasal passages. Who

1092
00:52:18,893 --> 00:52:23,613
Speaker 3: was that famous someone famously burnt out their septum snorting

1093
00:52:23,653 --> 00:52:25,013
Speaker 3: so much cocaine or speech?

1094
00:52:25,253 --> 00:52:28,173
Speaker 2: That was that Stevie Nicks burnt out septum from.

1095
00:52:28,133 --> 00:52:33,133
Speaker 3: Cocaine or so. Frequent use may lead to inflammation ulces,

1096
00:52:33,293 --> 00:52:35,453
Speaker 3: an erosion of the nasal septum. That's sort of saying

1097
00:52:35,453 --> 00:52:38,493
Speaker 3: the cartilage that separates the nostrils and oral lesions. Cocaine

1098
00:52:38,573 --> 00:52:41,613
Speaker 3: users may develop oral lesions such as a painful saws

1099
00:52:41,693 --> 00:52:44,693
Speaker 3: or blisters as a result of the drug's corrosive properties.

1100
00:52:45,013 --> 00:52:48,692
Speaker 3: These lesions can make eating and speaking uncomfortable and can

1101
00:52:48,773 --> 00:52:52,453
Speaker 3: lead to more severe oral health issues if cocaine use persists.

1102
00:52:52,653 --> 00:52:55,453
Speaker 3: Cocaine in both powder and crack form can cause brain

1103
00:52:55,533 --> 00:52:59,133
Speaker 3: damage over long term. Long term use can cause alterations

1104
00:52:59,133 --> 00:53:01,252
Speaker 3: and brain structures that make it very hard to quit,

1105
00:53:01,613 --> 00:53:06,013
Speaker 3: or may cause someone to relapse after long periods of sobriety.

1106
00:53:06,133 --> 00:53:08,333
Speaker 3: Sounds like someone's used some kind of AI.

1107
00:53:08,733 --> 00:53:12,813
Speaker 2: That sounds terrifying. Yeah, and Google says it's Danniella westbrook

1108
00:53:12,853 --> 00:53:13,613
Speaker 2: Off east Enders.

1109
00:53:13,693 --> 00:53:18,013
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so you're definitely taking too much cocaine if

1110
00:53:18,053 --> 00:53:19,853
Speaker 3: the middle of your nose rots out and you've just

1111
00:53:19,893 --> 00:53:21,453
Speaker 3: got one hose pipe up the middle.

1112
00:53:21,573 --> 00:53:23,493
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's east Inders money, isn't it. You can

1113
00:53:23,573 --> 00:53:25,173
Speaker 2: afford to have a lot of cocaine when you're on

1114
00:53:25,253 --> 00:53:27,733
Speaker 2: east Enders, someone said, Kate most Moss.

1115
00:53:27,973 --> 00:53:30,172
Speaker 3: I also thought it. Stevie Nax's at one point lost

1116
00:53:30,173 --> 00:53:32,013
Speaker 3: them the septing of a nose. But these might all

1117
00:53:32,013 --> 00:53:32,493
Speaker 3: be rumors.

1118
00:53:32,573 --> 00:53:34,813
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was some good pr about cocaine in Hollywood,

1119
00:53:34,853 --> 00:53:37,253
Speaker 2: wasn't there. Michael, how are you?

1120
00:53:37,333 --> 00:53:39,212
Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, good things, Tyles, how are you doing?

1121
00:53:40,253 --> 00:53:40,453
Speaker 3: God?

1122
00:53:40,453 --> 00:53:43,652
Speaker 2: That's kind of stick, isn't it.

1123
00:53:44,933 --> 00:53:45,172
Speaker 20: Hey.

1124
00:53:46,453 --> 00:53:48,893
Speaker 5: The one thing I've sort of heard people say around

1125
00:53:48,933 --> 00:53:53,213
Speaker 5: the prohibition doesn't work. But I look at the three

1126
00:53:53,693 --> 00:53:58,133
Speaker 5: non prohibited drugs. There's a cafeine, tobacco, and alcohol, and

1127
00:53:58,173 --> 00:54:00,893
Speaker 5: they seem to be the three most popular ones. It

1128
00:54:00,973 --> 00:54:04,252
Speaker 5: seems to me that the ones that are prohibited. Yeah,

1129
00:54:04,453 --> 00:54:08,933
Speaker 5: it buzz things worked to reduce the usage. So yeah, look,

1130
00:54:09,413 --> 00:54:11,292
Speaker 5: I know the issue is whether or not the harm

1131
00:54:11,333 --> 00:54:13,693
Speaker 5: caused by the drug is greater than the harm caused

1132
00:54:13,733 --> 00:54:18,813
Speaker 5: by the gangs. And you know, it's hard to know,

1133
00:54:18,853 --> 00:54:24,013
Speaker 5: because if that's if that's legalized, are the games going

1134
00:54:24,093 --> 00:54:26,053
Speaker 5: to stop, to cease to exist, ory they're going to

1135
00:54:26,053 --> 00:54:29,613
Speaker 5: sell something else, you know, Like I don't think they're

1136
00:54:29,613 --> 00:54:31,093
Speaker 5: going to say, all right, well it's legal now, is

1137
00:54:31,133 --> 00:54:33,493
Speaker 5: to shut down our operations and go away and start

1138
00:54:33,533 --> 00:54:36,652
Speaker 5: being nice people, you know, like I just find something

1139
00:54:36,693 --> 00:54:37,252
Speaker 5: else to sell.

1140
00:54:37,533 --> 00:54:39,733
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I mean, I guess, I guess. I guess, Michael.

1141
00:54:39,773 --> 00:54:42,212
Speaker 3: You could argue that with the other type of Coca cola.

1142
00:54:42,253 --> 00:54:43,893
Speaker 3: You could say, like a few ban Coca Cola for

1143
00:54:44,053 --> 00:54:46,893
Speaker 3: selling coca cola. They could sell another product. But it

1144
00:54:46,933 --> 00:54:49,493
Speaker 3: is a very successful product that they've got on their box.

1145
00:54:50,253 --> 00:54:53,013
Speaker 5: Oh it is. But I mean, I don't And you know,

1146
00:54:53,413 --> 00:54:56,293
Speaker 5: obviously that's you know, there is going to be a

1147
00:54:56,333 --> 00:55:03,013
Speaker 5: demand that's trust for coke cocaine. But there's also we've

1148
00:55:03,013 --> 00:55:05,613
Speaker 5: seen that some of the techniques that the games used

1149
00:55:05,653 --> 00:55:09,093
Speaker 5: to there's plevia product illicit products out there that the

1150
00:55:09,213 --> 00:55:12,373
Speaker 5: same sort of approach could be used with, you know,

1151
00:55:12,533 --> 00:55:16,453
Speaker 5: And and so I'm not sure that what the question

1152
00:55:16,613 --> 00:55:20,453
Speaker 5: is not prohibition or no probiss The question is really

1153
00:55:20,733 --> 00:55:23,893
Speaker 5: is the you know, is it going to actually be

1154
00:55:23,933 --> 00:55:27,373
Speaker 5: any change of harm from gangs. If we prohibit cocaine

1155
00:55:27,453 --> 00:55:29,933
Speaker 5: or if we stop probitting cocaine okain, you know, I'm

1156
00:55:29,973 --> 00:55:32,893
Speaker 5: not sure that it will actually see a difference in

1157
00:55:32,933 --> 00:55:36,253
Speaker 5: the activity, And so all we're doing is making something

1158
00:55:36,293 --> 00:55:38,493
Speaker 5: that is harmful more popular.

1159
00:55:39,133 --> 00:55:42,893
Speaker 3: Yes, it's an interesting one, isn't it, Because you can

1160
00:55:42,933 --> 00:55:46,573
Speaker 3: also have sort of unforeseen circumstances because we'd probably all

1161
00:55:46,613 --> 00:55:50,493
Speaker 3: agree that meth is worse than cocaine. Yeah, so you

1162
00:55:50,533 --> 00:55:52,773
Speaker 3: know they're going to find sometimes the product they find

1163
00:55:52,773 --> 00:55:55,693
Speaker 3: to sell as worse than the product that you're currently

1164
00:55:55,893 --> 00:55:58,253
Speaker 3: you're currently selling. But I would say one of the

1165
00:55:58,293 --> 00:56:01,093
Speaker 3: things about those topic those you know, alcohol, it has

1166
00:56:01,093 --> 00:56:04,053
Speaker 3: a huge amount of marketing behind it, doesn't it. So

1167
00:56:04,333 --> 00:56:06,773
Speaker 3: if you we wouldn't want to say, I can't imagine

1168
00:56:06,773 --> 00:56:10,652
Speaker 3: many people supporting a situation where cocaine is then advertised

1169
00:56:10,693 --> 00:56:15,293
Speaker 3: on billboards and me and Tyler read out a advert

1170
00:56:16,373 --> 00:56:19,333
Speaker 3: you know, when Tyles read out never about cocaine. We

1171
00:56:19,333 --> 00:56:21,173
Speaker 3: wouldn't That would not be a good outcome.

1172
00:56:21,173 --> 00:56:24,172
Speaker 5: I don't think no, But it could be a little

1173
00:56:24,173 --> 00:56:29,453
Speaker 5: bit like there's the there's an online betting agency that's

1174
00:56:29,493 --> 00:56:32,453
Speaker 5: been banned in India, So what they have now is

1175
00:56:32,453 --> 00:56:34,973
Speaker 5: a news channel that uses exactly the same name as

1176
00:56:34,973 --> 00:56:37,253
Speaker 5: that betting agency that sponds as a whole in a

1177
00:56:37,253 --> 00:56:41,333
Speaker 5: cricket event, you know, And and there's ways around it.

1178
00:56:41,853 --> 00:56:45,253
Speaker 5: There is ways around any sort of band. But you know,

1179
00:56:45,333 --> 00:56:47,493
Speaker 5: I guess all we have to one who is just

1180
00:56:47,573 --> 00:56:50,813
Speaker 5: finding that balance of is making it harder and actually

1181
00:56:50,813 --> 00:56:53,613
Speaker 5: making it happen less. And at the moment it seems

1182
00:56:53,653 --> 00:56:56,093
Speaker 5: to be. But it seems like maybe we're losing that battle.

1183
00:56:56,533 --> 00:56:57,933
Speaker 5: So we have to think about how do we do

1184
00:56:57,973 --> 00:57:02,293
Speaker 5: it smarter rather than stop doing it. Let's be smarter

1185
00:57:02,333 --> 00:57:02,732
Speaker 5: about it.

1186
00:57:02,933 --> 00:57:04,732
Speaker 3: Yeah, Michael, You've got to say though, out of from

1187
00:57:04,853 --> 00:57:07,732
Speaker 3: Columbia's perspective, and that's where we started this conversation. From

1188
00:57:07,773 --> 00:57:12,533
Speaker 3: the prison of Columbia. They have murder on a phenomenal scale.

1189
00:57:12,573 --> 00:57:14,973
Speaker 3: It's just a river of blood around the cocaine trade,

1190
00:57:15,413 --> 00:57:19,373
Speaker 3: primarily into America and Europe. And you know what's happening

1191
00:57:19,453 --> 00:57:22,053
Speaker 3: with Mexico and the power that's given to go cartels.

1192
00:57:22,253 --> 00:57:25,333
Speaker 3: So over there, it's kind of a different different argument

1193
00:57:25,373 --> 00:57:27,453
Speaker 3: than it is here, isn't it Because we're talking is

1194
00:57:27,493 --> 00:57:28,493
Speaker 3: it going to edit it?

1195
00:57:28,853 --> 00:57:31,973
Speaker 5: And but for them, if they were to decriminalize it,

1196
00:57:32,973 --> 00:57:37,693
Speaker 5: the impacts would be negligible because who's going to be

1197
00:57:37,693 --> 00:57:40,453
Speaker 5: buying It's not It's not the Colombians for the buying it.

1198
00:57:40,533 --> 00:57:44,773
Speaker 3: No, really what they're saying. They're saying is called America

1199
00:57:45,053 --> 00:57:50,453
Speaker 3: and and Europe can legalize it for them in Canada. Yeah,

1200
00:57:50,493 --> 00:57:51,253
Speaker 3: that's really what there are.

1201
00:57:52,133 --> 00:57:53,693
Speaker 5: Please please make our lives easier.

1202
00:57:56,893 --> 00:58:00,613
Speaker 2: Michael, thank you very much, great to chat every good afternoon,

1203
00:58:01,493 --> 00:58:04,253
Speaker 2: severe points. I mean, look, very shortly we're going to

1204
00:58:04,293 --> 00:58:06,413
Speaker 2: have a chat to the executive director of the New

1205
00:58:06,493 --> 00:58:09,373
Speaker 2: Zealand Drug Foundation, Sarah Holm, so we'll put some questions

1206
00:58:09,413 --> 00:58:11,493
Speaker 2: to her. But on the back of the increase in

1207
00:58:11,533 --> 00:58:14,773
Speaker 2: our cocaine use in New Zealand over the past twelve months,

1208
00:58:15,253 --> 00:58:18,213
Speaker 2: that there was a bump, no pun intended, in the

1209
00:58:18,213 --> 00:58:21,853
Speaker 2: amount of cocaine we were having. I wonder that what

1210
00:58:21,973 --> 00:58:25,573
Speaker 2: that part was. I line that up. I lined that up.

1211
00:58:25,973 --> 00:58:27,093
Speaker 3: Did you line that one up as well?

1212
00:58:27,133 --> 00:58:27,413
Speaker 8: Bone?

1213
00:58:27,413 --> 00:58:30,533
Speaker 2: Bone, hair, all day? Come here all day? Right, coming

1214
00:58:30,653 --> 00:58:32,453
Speaker 2: up before.

1215
00:58:32,253 --> 00:58:34,613
Speaker 3: We go, just after the break, I wanted just a

1216
00:58:34,653 --> 00:58:38,373
Speaker 3: little question for you, how how many people in New

1217
00:58:38,493 --> 00:58:42,733
Speaker 3: Zealand do you think used cocaine in the twenty two

1218
00:58:42,853 --> 00:58:46,813
Speaker 3: to twenty three year twenty twenty two to twenty twenty three.

1219
00:58:46,853 --> 00:58:49,613
Speaker 3: Just a number? How many? How many people in New Zealand? Wow?

1220
00:58:49,733 --> 00:58:50,413
Speaker 2: So a number?

1221
00:58:51,493 --> 00:58:53,853
Speaker 3: Oh mane two have a guess.

1222
00:58:54,053 --> 00:58:56,493
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll give you an answer very shortly. It is

1223
00:58:56,813 --> 00:59:00,013
Speaker 2: bang on hupas to bag very shortly. Here on NEWSTALKSB.

1224
00:59:02,293 --> 00:59:06,173
Speaker 12: News talks the headlines with blue bubble tanks. It's no

1225
00:59:06,333 --> 00:59:09,933
Speaker 12: trouble with a blue bubble At Seymour's apologize to the

1226
00:59:09,973 --> 00:59:14,013
Speaker 12: Speaker after driving a vehicle up Parliament's steps. Speaker Jerry

1227
00:59:14,053 --> 00:59:17,653
Speaker 12: Brownley's praised the security guard who told Seymour off and

1228
00:59:17,773 --> 00:59:21,853
Speaker 12: expressed his displeasure in the act Leader's actions whether he

1229
00:59:21,893 --> 00:59:26,653
Speaker 12: says any question of prosecution is a matter for police.

1230
00:59:26,693 --> 00:59:30,413
Speaker 12: Inflammatory words from Donald Trump saying Israel should cancel at

1231
00:59:30,453 --> 00:59:35,333
Speaker 12: ceasefire and Gaza if all Hamas hostages aren't released this weekend.

1232
00:59:35,773 --> 00:59:39,133
Speaker 12: The US presidents also impose twenty five percent tariffs for

1233
00:59:39,213 --> 00:59:43,053
Speaker 12: all steel and aluminium imports, saying there'll be no exceptions,

1234
00:59:43,333 --> 00:59:47,853
Speaker 12: but also signaling Australia's trade surplus will play in its favor.

1235
00:59:48,813 --> 00:59:51,333
Speaker 12: A thirty four year old man's been charged with murder

1236
00:59:51,533 --> 00:59:54,853
Speaker 12: over the death of a woman in Aruwahia just after Christmas.

1237
00:59:55,173 --> 00:59:59,613
Speaker 12: Police aren't ruling out further arrests. The government is assigning

1238
00:59:59,653 --> 01:00:03,253
Speaker 12: new agency invest New Zealand the role of tearing down

1239
01:00:03,373 --> 01:00:07,093
Speaker 12: red tape for foreign investors, alongside a summit in March

1240
01:00:07,133 --> 01:00:12,453
Speaker 12: to entice overseas funding fake key, we fruit crackdown zesprey

1241
01:00:12,533 --> 01:00:16,093
Speaker 12: impostors in China get jail time. You can see more

1242
01:00:16,133 --> 01:00:19,453
Speaker 12: at insaid Herald Premium. Now back to Matt Heathan Tyler Adams.

1243
01:00:20,213 --> 01:00:23,733
Speaker 2: Lock him up, Lock him up.

1244
01:00:24,733 --> 01:00:27,773
Speaker 3: So my question before the break was what how many

1245
01:00:27,813 --> 01:00:31,373
Speaker 3: people in New Zealand's use cocaine in the twenty twenty

1246
01:00:31,373 --> 01:00:34,733
Speaker 3: two to twenty twenty three year. It was a ninety

1247
01:00:34,733 --> 01:00:38,253
Speaker 3: three percent increase on the previous three years average. All right,

1248
01:00:38,333 --> 01:00:42,413
Speaker 3: we've got a guess here. Six hundred and seventy five thousand.

1249
01:00:42,773 --> 01:00:46,373
Speaker 3: Kevin says half a million. Who Jesse says two hundred

1250
01:00:46,373 --> 01:00:50,893
Speaker 3: and fifty thousand. Wow, you're all wrong. According to executive

1251
01:00:50,893 --> 01:00:54,733
Speaker 3: director Sarah Halm of the Drug Foundation, fifty six thousand

1252
01:00:55,573 --> 01:00:58,053
Speaker 3: people one point three percent of the population use cocaine

1253
01:00:58,053 --> 01:00:59,693
Speaker 3: in that year, which was a ninety three percent increase

1254
01:00:59,733 --> 01:01:00,973
Speaker 3: of the previous year's average.

1255
01:01:01,133 --> 01:01:02,213
Speaker 2: It feels a little bit light.

1256
01:01:02,373 --> 01:01:03,293
Speaker 3: Fifty six thousand.

1257
01:01:03,373 --> 01:01:05,693
Speaker 2: Yeah, one point three percent of the population. I thought

1258
01:01:05,733 --> 01:01:07,453
Speaker 2: it was more rampant than that.

1259
01:01:07,613 --> 01:01:11,413
Speaker 3: You operating me year circles. Though famous upper echelon.

1260
01:01:12,293 --> 01:01:13,333
Speaker 2: Certainly was eighties.

1261
01:01:13,373 --> 01:01:17,773
Speaker 3: It's basically still the eighties in christ Chitch before you left. Yeah,

1262
01:01:17,773 --> 01:01:19,413
Speaker 3: some that does seem there's a lot less than everyone

1263
01:01:19,413 --> 01:01:22,693
Speaker 3: everyone guessed, wasn't it. But as a bunch of texts

1264
01:01:22,693 --> 01:01:24,653
Speaker 3: are saying, how does it work with the wastewater because

1265
01:01:24,693 --> 01:01:27,533
Speaker 3: this person is saying when he parties, he goes outside,

1266
01:01:27,733 --> 01:01:29,373
Speaker 3: so it never goes through the wastewater system.

1267
01:01:29,773 --> 01:01:32,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean when you use the old the old

1268
01:01:32,133 --> 01:01:34,413
Speaker 2: duney water as a test for drugs, it's not going

1269
01:01:34,493 --> 01:01:35,693
Speaker 2: to be that accurate, is it.

1270
01:01:35,813 --> 01:01:38,933
Speaker 3: Some of those some of those drug takers aren't the

1271
01:01:38,973 --> 01:01:41,773
Speaker 3: types that you use the bathroom. A cocaine is way

1272
01:01:41,773 --> 01:01:43,493
Speaker 3: better for you than coca colas. Is this text of

1273
01:01:43,533 --> 01:01:45,493
Speaker 3: four days ago. I shared a Gram with a friend

1274
01:01:45,533 --> 01:01:48,733
Speaker 3: while working on my bike, and it has its place. Oh,

1275
01:01:48,813 --> 01:01:51,493
Speaker 3: I see, I thought it was Instagram. I thought, how

1276
01:01:51,533 --> 01:01:55,533
Speaker 3: in a cinema shared an Instagram message with a friend?

1277
01:01:55,533 --> 01:01:56,373
Speaker 3: I was like, what did you share?

1278
01:01:56,533 --> 01:01:57,533
Speaker 2: Call you need Flanders?

1279
01:01:59,373 --> 01:02:01,693
Speaker 3: I shared a gram of cocaine with a friend while

1280
01:02:01,693 --> 01:02:04,973
Speaker 3: working on my bike. It has its place there you go, there,

1281
01:02:04,973 --> 01:02:08,933
Speaker 3: you go. Wow. So leave's life as it would pull

1282
01:02:09,013 --> 01:02:12,253
Speaker 3: the pin on cartails, therefore less deaths, et cetera. I

1283
01:02:12,333 --> 01:02:15,093
Speaker 3: love it. It's a shame it's so expensive. Legalizing it

1284
01:02:15,133 --> 01:02:17,653
Speaker 3: would make it more available and you drink much much

1285
01:02:17,733 --> 01:02:19,613
Speaker 3: less alco and coke, so it's got to be good

1286
01:02:19,613 --> 01:02:21,133
Speaker 3: for you the ego Dean. Thanks for your text.

1287
01:02:21,373 --> 01:02:23,253
Speaker 2: Keep those teas coming through on nine to two please,

1288
01:02:23,333 --> 01:02:26,013
Speaker 2: I use your real name, nine two Nat. How are

1289
01:02:26,013 --> 01:02:26,813
Speaker 2: you this afternoon?

1290
01:02:27,693 --> 01:02:27,933
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1291
01:02:27,933 --> 01:02:33,053
Speaker 15: Good, good, good, Yeah, just my two cents. I look

1292
01:02:33,053 --> 01:02:36,973
Speaker 15: why I've lived in Australia. I've traveled exceed spleep through

1293
01:02:36,973 --> 01:02:40,493
Speaker 15: South America and I've you know, like I left a

1294
01:02:40,533 --> 01:02:43,493
Speaker 15: decade away out of New Zealand. Then before I left

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Speaker 15: New Zeland, you'd sort of match sort of stuff. It's

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Speaker 15: the kind of sort of thing you don't see other

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01:02:48,253 --> 01:02:51,333
Speaker 15: movies and you come back and it's definitely a lot

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01:02:51,373 --> 01:02:57,013
Speaker 15: more prevalent in social circles. But it's just quite a

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01:02:57,053 --> 01:03:01,053
Speaker 15: funny way about looking at things because you travel through

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01:03:01,053 --> 01:03:05,053
Speaker 15: South America and it's you do see the destruction that

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01:03:05,813 --> 01:03:10,413
Speaker 15: the the criminal Act heavity behind it, and you can

1302
01:03:10,533 --> 01:03:15,693
Speaker 15: see sort of the argument from the side of things

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01:03:15,693 --> 01:03:18,213
Speaker 15: about if if it were to be legalized at least

1304
01:03:18,253 --> 01:03:24,613
Speaker 15: in Columbia. You know, like like to say that the

1305
01:03:24,373 --> 01:03:29,093
Speaker 15: the the bloodshed that it leaves behind is pretty bad.

1306
01:03:29,173 --> 01:03:33,293
Speaker 15: And and like in my honest opinion having worked overseas

1307
01:03:33,333 --> 01:03:36,173
Speaker 15: and when I was in Australia, I worked in the

1308
01:03:36,253 --> 01:03:40,093
Speaker 15: letter industry, and you've got to see the destruction that

1309
01:03:40,293 --> 01:03:42,853
Speaker 15: the that that I mean, I know, one goes, oh,

1310
01:03:42,893 --> 01:03:44,933
Speaker 15: you know, look it's not bad. It's go talk to

1311
01:03:44,973 --> 01:03:49,133
Speaker 15: any anyone that works midnight, the night shift on a

1312
01:03:49,173 --> 01:03:51,213
Speaker 15: Saturday or Friday night and now in the hospitals, and

1313
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Speaker 15: I'll tell you differently. It's you know, the the amount

1314
01:03:55,173 --> 01:03:58,213
Speaker 15: of ways on our health system on the destruction of

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01:03:58,213 --> 01:04:02,493
Speaker 15: Alcoholand like I played by drink and in my time

1316
01:04:02,533 --> 01:04:05,373
Speaker 15: I've done any more. But in my time I've I've debbled,

1317
01:04:06,493 --> 01:04:10,293
Speaker 15: and I'm on the on the onion that's to be honest,

1318
01:04:10,413 --> 01:04:17,493
Speaker 15: anything and excess is as bad, you know, alcohol, cocaine.

1319
01:04:17,653 --> 01:04:21,373
Speaker 15: I mean, I mean probably to an extent. I've never

1320
01:04:21,413 --> 01:04:23,973
Speaker 15: done this before, but probably even met them fam and

1321
01:04:24,013 --> 01:04:28,933
Speaker 15: I'm sure there's probably various social users who aren't but

1322
01:04:29,013 --> 01:04:31,613
Speaker 15: everyone paints a picture of you know, someone with gummy

1323
01:04:31,853 --> 01:04:34,773
Speaker 15: or gummy mouse who's already doing the stuff every single day.

1324
01:04:34,893 --> 01:04:38,213
Speaker 15: So not that I am. I'm very much on the

1325
01:04:38,213 --> 01:04:41,853
Speaker 15: fence about the legalization here, but you know, at the

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01:04:41,933 --> 01:04:43,893
Speaker 15: end of the day, people are going to do it,

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01:04:43,973 --> 01:04:47,133
Speaker 15: and whether you legalize it, whether that's going to attract

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01:04:47,133 --> 01:04:51,173
Speaker 15: a whole lot more users, I don't know. I mean,

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01:04:51,253 --> 01:04:53,573
Speaker 15: look at the way that they've shifted towards marijuana. Now

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01:04:53,573 --> 01:04:59,093
Speaker 15: they've got control on it and and yeah like that,

1331
01:04:59,373 --> 01:05:02,693
Speaker 15: you know, they can then prescribe it and it's the

1332
01:05:02,733 --> 01:05:03,453
Speaker 15: cleaner product.

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01:05:03,573 --> 01:05:05,053
Speaker 5: So interesting.

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01:05:05,093 --> 01:05:06,813
Speaker 15: One form goes now.

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01:05:06,813 --> 01:05:08,693
Speaker 3: That just if I put you on this spot in

1336
01:05:08,693 --> 01:05:11,613
Speaker 3: your gut feeling, would you think that if you could

1337
01:05:11,653 --> 01:05:13,893
Speaker 3: have one or the other? So the choice was, and

1338
01:05:13,933 --> 01:05:17,693
Speaker 3: this is just an imaginary decision to be made that

1339
01:05:18,213 --> 01:05:22,133
Speaker 3: all alcohol was illegal but cocaine was legal, or vice

1340
01:05:22,213 --> 01:05:24,293
Speaker 3: versa versa. Which one do you think would do more

1341
01:05:24,373 --> 01:05:25,533
Speaker 3: damage to a society.

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01:05:29,293 --> 01:05:32,013
Speaker 15: Well, it depends portionally. You're probably going to have proportionally

1343
01:05:32,173 --> 01:05:35,253
Speaker 15: higher users of alcohol than you are a cocaine. But

1344
01:05:36,333 --> 01:05:39,053
Speaker 15: it's hard to tell. I mean, it's just I don't

1345
01:05:39,093 --> 01:05:41,013
Speaker 15: think you could really even answer that I mean that

1346
01:05:41,013 --> 01:05:44,853
Speaker 15: would just be my perception, and I don't know that

1347
01:05:44,893 --> 01:05:47,413
Speaker 15: said pretty hard because you've got people who abuse alcohol.

1348
01:05:47,413 --> 01:05:49,213
Speaker 15: You've only got to got people who go to AA

1349
01:05:49,293 --> 01:05:51,013
Speaker 15: because they abused alcohol. It's just like you're going to

1350
01:05:51,053 --> 01:05:52,773
Speaker 15: have people who abused cocaine.

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01:05:53,213 --> 01:05:56,773
Speaker 3: Well. And also, yeah, sorry, there's a difference between legalized

1352
01:05:56,773 --> 01:05:59,413
Speaker 3: and decriminalized. So if you totally legalize to the point

1353
01:05:59,453 --> 01:06:04,053
Speaker 3: where people that companies could advertise cocaine, then.

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01:06:06,053 --> 01:06:11,053
Speaker 15: I would be one for decriminalization of all drugs. But

1355
01:06:12,613 --> 01:06:15,733
Speaker 15: legalization is the one where you've got to go. Once

1356
01:06:15,813 --> 01:06:18,013
Speaker 15: you kind of go there, do you go back? So

1357
01:06:18,093 --> 01:06:20,893
Speaker 15: I do see the arguments on both sides, but you

1358
01:06:20,973 --> 01:06:23,373
Speaker 15: do got to realize, I mean, this is going up.

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01:06:23,373 --> 01:06:25,213
Speaker 15: People are going to do it anyway what it can

1360
01:06:25,253 --> 01:06:27,613
Speaker 15: get cut down with. So do you get on board

1361
01:06:27,853 --> 01:06:30,893
Speaker 15: or do you just try and find a never ending,

1362
01:06:31,053 --> 01:06:34,453
Speaker 15: a neverring battle. So I mean, look, he goes South America.

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01:06:35,613 --> 01:06:38,493
Speaker 15: I traveled there, you know, like it's funny because you know,

1364
01:06:38,693 --> 01:06:41,093
Speaker 15: it's legal and a lot of places here to chew

1365
01:06:41,133 --> 01:06:42,973
Speaker 15: the coca leaves, and I choose them over there, you know,

1366
01:06:43,053 --> 01:06:45,573
Speaker 15: I tew them when I did some I did some

1367
01:06:46,453 --> 01:06:49,533
Speaker 15: some mountain mountaineering over there, and they chew it. They

1368
01:06:49,613 --> 01:06:51,893
Speaker 15: use it as they use it as a high level

1369
01:06:51,893 --> 01:06:56,013
Speaker 15: attitude for like altitudes of missing at a clumalization, and

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Speaker 15: that derived from cocaine. That's where it comes. So it's

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01:06:58,933 --> 01:07:02,293
Speaker 15: just you know, just not down in the in the

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01:07:02,333 --> 01:07:03,373
Speaker 15: form of cocaine.

1373
01:07:03,773 --> 01:07:06,293
Speaker 2: So I had some friends who went over to work

1374
01:07:06,373 --> 01:07:08,973
Speaker 2: in dairy farms over there, and you're right, neck, that

1375
01:07:09,093 --> 01:07:10,973
Speaker 2: was a commonplace that they just chew on the cocoa

1376
01:07:11,013 --> 01:07:12,973
Speaker 2: leaves and it was just like having a cup of

1377
01:07:12,973 --> 01:07:13,333
Speaker 2: tea in the.

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01:07:13,333 --> 01:07:17,013
Speaker 15: Morning, pretty much, just like having a very strong cover

1379
01:07:17,013 --> 01:07:18,933
Speaker 15: of coffee. And I mean it tastes like crap, but

1380
01:07:21,653 --> 01:07:23,813
Speaker 15: but you know, everyone does it. I mean, I think

1381
01:07:23,813 --> 01:07:25,493
Speaker 15: the worst thing about it is you just see bloody

1382
01:07:25,533 --> 01:07:30,173
Speaker 15: playing bags everywhere. But you know, but yeah, interesting one.

1383
01:07:31,693 --> 01:07:35,253
Speaker 15: I can definitely see it from the Colombian side. My

1384
01:07:35,333 --> 01:07:40,533
Speaker 15: wife is actually Colombian, so but she hates the stuff.

1385
01:07:40,653 --> 01:07:43,813
Speaker 15: But yeah, like you see, so she's got a strong

1386
01:07:43,853 --> 01:07:47,453
Speaker 15: opinion on it too, because the destruction of her own people,

1387
01:07:47,533 --> 01:07:48,333
Speaker 15: it's pretty bad.

1388
01:07:48,693 --> 01:07:51,133
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, well, thank you so much to be cool

1389
01:07:51,133 --> 01:07:54,013
Speaker 3: and I appreciate your thoughts. One of the business is

1390
01:07:54,773 --> 01:07:57,213
Speaker 3: coke is destructive. My partner was addicted and it nearly

1391
01:07:57,253 --> 01:07:59,573
Speaker 3: destroyed our marriage and family. It's been two years of

1392
01:07:59,733 --> 01:08:03,453
Speaker 3: absolute how the rationale behind there thinking well on it

1393
01:08:03,533 --> 01:08:06,053
Speaker 3: is just not there. They can't they can justify everything

1394
01:08:06,333 --> 01:08:08,613
Speaker 3: well on it. There's no hangover as such. You can

1395
01:08:08,653 --> 01:08:12,733
Speaker 3: do it anytime. When reality starts a hit, you snort

1396
01:08:12,773 --> 01:08:15,253
Speaker 3: more to justify your actions. Again, probably much the same

1397
01:08:15,293 --> 01:08:19,572
Speaker 3: as alcohol, but their visible effects are very different in

1398
01:08:19,613 --> 01:08:22,213
Speaker 3: the moment. Yeah, I mean, that's the thing. You know,

1399
01:08:22,253 --> 01:08:25,213
Speaker 3: if someone's drunk all the time, then you know they're

1400
01:08:25,253 --> 01:08:25,892
Speaker 3: drunk all the time.

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01:08:25,973 --> 01:08:26,173
Speaker 8: Yeah.

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01:08:26,173 --> 01:08:28,133
Speaker 3: I mean, if I was coming to work drunk all

1403
01:08:28,133 --> 01:08:30,812
Speaker 3: the time right at tiles rather than just most of

1404
01:08:30,853 --> 01:08:32,133
Speaker 3: the time, then you start to notice.

1405
01:08:32,253 --> 01:08:37,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, certainly what just on the decriminalizeation of it.

1406
01:08:37,412 --> 01:08:40,372
Speaker 2: I can see the arguments, particularly here in New Zealand,

1407
01:08:40,412 --> 01:08:43,732
Speaker 2: where you do have drugs that are acquired by an

1408
01:08:43,812 --> 01:08:46,652
Speaker 2: increasing number of people with the New Zealand and you

1409
01:08:46,732 --> 01:08:49,333
Speaker 2: don't know what's in that drug, right, It's quite often

1410
01:08:49,372 --> 01:08:52,972
Speaker 2: heavily cut with substances, and we're hearing more and more

1411
01:08:52,973 --> 01:08:57,692
Speaker 2: about fentanyl being cut into cocaine burgushue in the States.

1412
01:08:58,133 --> 01:09:01,892
Speaker 2: So when you decriminalize it. Do you lower the risk

1413
01:09:02,013 --> 01:09:05,813
Speaker 2: of this drug being cut with incredibly dangerous substances?

1414
01:09:05,893 --> 01:09:07,932
Speaker 3: Yeah, because that's the thing about these drug dealers, very

1415
01:09:07,933 --> 01:09:11,892
Speaker 3: design funny that you can't trust anything they say.

1416
01:09:12,013 --> 01:09:13,452
Speaker 2: Where are your morals?

1417
01:09:13,572 --> 01:09:16,612
Speaker 3: There's a higher than zero chance that what they're selling

1418
01:09:16,692 --> 01:09:18,253
Speaker 3: you isn't what they say they're selling you.

1419
01:09:18,652 --> 01:09:20,652
Speaker 2: O eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

1420
01:09:20,812 --> 01:09:22,532
Speaker 2: number to call. It's eighteen to three.

1421
01:09:22,572 --> 01:09:27,492
Speaker 1: Beg for you, surely, Mattie Taylor Adams with you as

1422
01:09:27,532 --> 01:09:30,973
Speaker 1: your afternoon rolls on matt and Taylor Afternoon with the

1423
01:09:31,093 --> 01:09:34,532
Speaker 1: Volvo XC ninety attention to detail and a commitment to

1424
01:09:34,612 --> 01:09:35,732
Speaker 1: comfort news talks.

1425
01:09:35,732 --> 01:09:40,492
Speaker 2: They'd be Derek, good afternoon to you.

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01:09:39,452 --> 01:09:42,612
Speaker 18: Your good afternoon, chests. Okay, I'm cleaning sober now after

1427
01:09:42,652 --> 01:09:47,173
Speaker 18: forty two years of alcohol abuse and ABC classes of drugs.

1428
01:09:47,412 --> 01:09:50,372
Speaker 18: Now I've got two points. I wonder how many millions

1429
01:09:50,412 --> 01:09:55,133
Speaker 18: of dollars of cash are being rocking around in New

1430
01:09:55,213 --> 01:09:57,972
Speaker 18: Zealand in a year, be it be it in someone's

1431
01:09:58,013 --> 01:10:01,612
Speaker 18: house or if it's laundered or buying assets. I often

1432
01:10:01,692 --> 01:10:04,053
Speaker 18: wonder what a cashless society would do to the whole

1433
01:10:04,173 --> 01:10:09,852
Speaker 18: drug trade in New Zealand. Point, the banks will start noticing, well,

1434
01:10:09,893 --> 01:10:12,692
Speaker 18: you know, and then people say, oh, we could use

1435
01:10:12,732 --> 01:10:15,372
Speaker 18: crypto coins. Well you know Gary from Glenn and this

1436
01:10:15,452 --> 01:10:17,372
Speaker 18: doesn't know how to do that, you know sort of thing.

1437
01:10:17,452 --> 01:10:20,253
Speaker 18: So you know, I reckon it was absolutely stuff. And

1438
01:10:20,372 --> 01:10:23,852
Speaker 18: the second point is, mate, if I wanted to spend

1439
01:10:23,893 --> 01:10:27,492
Speaker 18: time around someone who's just spent say, eighty dollars on

1440
01:10:27,652 --> 01:10:32,692
Speaker 18: cocaine mes or heroin, or someone who's just drunken eighty

1441
01:10:32,732 --> 01:10:36,172
Speaker 18: dollars of alcohol, I know which person I'd rather be around.

1442
01:10:37,213 --> 01:10:40,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, but what about someone that's taken myth every day

1443
01:10:40,732 --> 01:10:43,213
Speaker 3: for two Yeah.

1444
01:10:42,692 --> 01:10:45,852
Speaker 18: I'm in an organization that helped an Auckland here, that

1445
01:10:45,933 --> 01:10:48,933
Speaker 18: helps men and women get off myth. And I've just

1446
01:10:48,973 --> 01:10:50,852
Speaker 18: been at a barbecue where there was sixty men and

1447
01:10:50,893 --> 01:10:53,412
Speaker 18: most of them have got breathlets on, and they're all

1448
01:10:53,412 --> 01:10:54,452
Speaker 18: trying to sort out their lives.

1449
01:10:54,652 --> 01:10:56,013
Speaker 5: Some will get it and.

1450
01:10:56,013 --> 01:10:56,572
Speaker 8: A lot won't.

1451
01:10:56,612 --> 01:10:58,532
Speaker 18: They'll they'll talk the talk, but won't walk the walk,

1452
01:10:58,572 --> 01:11:01,173
Speaker 18: and they'll end up relaxing and going back to jail.

1453
01:11:01,612 --> 01:11:04,732
Speaker 18: And you're right, mess is a huge problem in this country.

1454
01:11:05,213 --> 01:11:08,293
Speaker 18: But the one thing about the cake the Columbian present,

1455
01:11:08,572 --> 01:11:12,213
Speaker 18: I mean, if it was tax that money could be

1456
01:11:12,333 --> 01:11:16,452
Speaker 18: used to help the suffering. I mean, and every society

1457
01:11:16,452 --> 01:11:19,213
Speaker 18: there's always going to be addictions that go way over

1458
01:11:19,213 --> 01:11:21,612
Speaker 18: the top. And there's always going to be that student

1459
01:11:21,692 --> 01:11:23,412
Speaker 18: that just wants to have it head on a Friday

1460
01:11:23,452 --> 01:11:25,492
Speaker 18: or Saday night at a nightclub and that's all they do.

1461
01:11:25,652 --> 01:11:28,692
Speaker 18: I understand that. But like anything, it's like food. One day.

1462
01:11:29,053 --> 01:11:31,532
Speaker 18: One day at a burger bar, someone will have to say, sorry,

1463
01:11:31,572 --> 01:11:33,932
Speaker 18: I can't serve you three burgers and two milkshakes because

1464
01:11:33,933 --> 01:11:34,812
Speaker 18: you're just too fat.

1465
01:11:34,853 --> 01:11:37,492
Speaker 3: And you know, well that might be a thing that

1466
01:11:37,532 --> 01:11:41,133
Speaker 3: we need to look into. Yeah, nation, do you think

1467
01:11:41,133 --> 01:11:45,093
Speaker 3: that there's people that are just have addictive natures and

1468
01:11:45,652 --> 01:11:47,933
Speaker 3: really yeah, so they'll find something addicted to.

1469
01:11:48,933 --> 01:11:50,572
Speaker 18: Yeah, and a lot of us do some sort of

1470
01:11:50,572 --> 01:11:53,692
Speaker 18: trauma in their life, mate, I mean, you know, and

1471
01:11:53,692 --> 01:11:55,972
Speaker 18: you know, no pain, no pain, no brain, no brain,

1472
01:11:56,053 --> 01:11:58,812
Speaker 18: no pain is a big thing with addicts, mate, you know,

1473
01:11:59,213 --> 01:12:01,412
Speaker 18: and it's just a mark. I mean, I did forty

1474
01:12:01,412 --> 01:12:04,972
Speaker 18: two years to you know, to avoid facing the trauma

1475
01:12:05,013 --> 01:12:06,812
Speaker 18: and dealing with it. And it took me a lot

1476
01:12:06,812 --> 01:12:08,892
Speaker 18: of years to deal with it. But you know, I

1477
01:12:08,933 --> 01:12:11,412
Speaker 18: love my life now with having to use alcohol A

1478
01:12:11,532 --> 01:12:13,933
Speaker 18: drugs are crutch to get through each day, and you

1479
01:12:13,973 --> 01:12:17,772
Speaker 18: know it's it's a hard road, but you know it's

1480
01:12:17,812 --> 01:12:19,253
Speaker 18: worth it at the end.

1481
01:12:19,293 --> 01:12:21,333
Speaker 3: On you, Derek, and congratulations for sorting that out out.

1482
01:12:21,372 --> 01:12:23,732
Speaker 3: A lot of people don't after that long, so good

1483
01:12:23,732 --> 01:12:25,492
Speaker 3: on you and all the best for the future. Mate,

1484
01:12:25,612 --> 01:12:27,893
Speaker 3: appreciate your call.

1485
01:12:27,893 --> 01:12:31,173
Speaker 2: Thanks Derek. Right coming up very shortly, we're gonna have

1486
01:12:31,173 --> 01:12:33,652
Speaker 2: a chat to Sarah Helm. She's the executive director of

1487
01:12:33,692 --> 01:12:37,012
Speaker 2: the New Zealand Drug Foundation. They've got some strong opinions

1488
01:12:37,013 --> 01:12:40,612
Speaker 2: when it comes to drug legislation, so we'll have a

1489
01:12:40,692 --> 01:12:43,532
Speaker 2: chat to her very very shortly. It is twelve minutes

1490
01:12:43,572 --> 01:12:45,692
Speaker 2: to three. You're listening to Matt and Tyler. Good afternoon,

1491
01:12:47,452 --> 01:12:49,892
Speaker 2: the issues that affect you and a bit of fun

1492
01:12:49,933 --> 01:12:50,532
Speaker 2: along the way.

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01:12:50,772 --> 01:12:54,692
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Speaker 1: News Talks.

1496
01:12:59,772 --> 01:13:02,892
Speaker 2: There be good discussion and to ty this in a

1497
01:13:02,893 --> 01:13:07,612
Speaker 2: bow is New Zealand Drug Foundation Executive director Sarah Helm. Sarah,

1498
01:13:07,692 --> 01:13:09,412
Speaker 2: very good to chat with you this afternoon.

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Speaker 7: How you doing good?

1500
01:13:11,612 --> 01:13:14,012
Speaker 3: Thanks? What do you think of the Colombian president's claims

1501
01:13:14,013 --> 01:13:16,492
Speaker 3: that cocaine is no worse than whiskey.

1502
01:13:17,213 --> 01:13:17,452
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1503
01:13:17,572 --> 01:13:19,812
Speaker 7: Look, I don't know about you, but whiskey has never

1504
01:13:19,893 --> 01:13:25,253
Speaker 7: done me any favors. I think, Look, Sisley, Columbia has

1505
01:13:25,293 --> 01:13:29,692
Speaker 7: a totally different context from us. They have you know,

1506
01:13:29,772 --> 01:13:32,973
Speaker 7: some figures put it over half a million people have

1507
01:13:33,213 --> 01:13:37,372
Speaker 7: died from the war on cocaine and drugs there, and

1508
01:13:37,853 --> 01:13:41,973
Speaker 7: you know, applants coca that a lot of their indigenous

1509
01:13:41,973 --> 01:13:45,532
Speaker 7: people had considered sacred mid the snow. US been banned

1510
01:13:46,013 --> 01:13:49,452
Speaker 7: from the war on drugs and they're desperately trying in

1511
01:13:49,612 --> 01:13:53,093
Speaker 7: that war on drugs in Colombia. So I think that's

1512
01:13:53,133 --> 01:13:56,213
Speaker 7: in a very different context that he's making those comments.

1513
01:13:56,772 --> 01:14:01,653
Speaker 7: And certainly history would tell us that there have been economic, political,

1514
01:14:01,732 --> 01:14:04,852
Speaker 7: and cultural reasons as to how various substances have been

1515
01:14:04,893 --> 01:14:09,852
Speaker 7: treated by legislation and laws that don't necessarily stack up

1516
01:14:09,893 --> 01:14:13,372
Speaker 7: to the level of harm or help us address harm.

1517
01:14:13,532 --> 01:14:17,052
Speaker 7: So yeah, I think there is some truth, but also

1518
01:14:17,093 --> 01:14:20,372
Speaker 7: important context and what he's saying, Yeah, I'm.

1519
01:14:20,213 --> 01:14:22,452
Speaker 3: Saying, but Sarah, what if we did bring it back

1520
01:14:22,492 --> 01:14:25,293
Speaker 3: home to New Zealand. What do you think about decriminalization

1521
01:14:25,572 --> 01:14:27,852
Speaker 3: of cocaine and New Zealand? On balance? Do you think

1522
01:14:27,893 --> 01:14:31,053
Speaker 3: that would be more harm or less harm than the

1523
01:14:31,093 --> 01:14:32,253
Speaker 3: situation we've got.

1524
01:14:32,053 --> 01:14:35,972
Speaker 7: Now, Oh yeah, I think it all depends on how

1525
01:14:36,013 --> 01:14:42,452
Speaker 7: these things are done. So legislation, say, take alcohol, for example,

1526
01:14:42,532 --> 01:14:47,372
Speaker 7: our legislative framework is so permissive that we've got you know,

1527
01:14:47,492 --> 01:14:50,253
Speaker 7: kind of too much alcohol and society causing quite a

1528
01:14:50,293 --> 01:14:54,293
Speaker 7: lot of harm. So in our context, it's absolutely undeniable

1529
01:14:54,772 --> 01:14:58,092
Speaker 7: that alcohol causes the most harm in New Zealand overall,

1530
01:14:58,173 --> 01:15:01,932
Speaker 7: and partly because it's just really available, but also because

1531
01:15:01,933 --> 01:15:05,093
Speaker 7: it's got so many you know, a range of harm.

1532
01:15:05,173 --> 01:15:07,612
Speaker 7: So if you think about it, things like harm to

1533
01:15:07,652 --> 01:15:12,012
Speaker 7: yourself over a period of time, cancer, heart disease, going

1534
01:15:12,013 --> 01:15:16,492
Speaker 7: on waite, then harmed to other people, violent offending, car

1535
01:15:16,572 --> 01:15:19,052
Speaker 7: accidents and family violence and all that kind of stuff.

1536
01:15:19,133 --> 01:15:23,572
Speaker 7: So there's a lot in alcohol, but they're both substances

1537
01:15:23,652 --> 01:15:27,532
Speaker 7: that can be addictive and canon do cause harm. So

1538
01:15:27,812 --> 01:15:29,732
Speaker 7: really important point.

1539
01:15:30,293 --> 01:15:33,492
Speaker 3: So, Sarah, we're talking to Sea Helman from the New

1540
01:15:33,572 --> 01:15:36,973
Speaker 3: Zealand Drug Foundation. Do you what do you what do

1541
01:15:36,973 --> 01:15:39,892
Speaker 3: you think cocaine use because the stats say that's it's doubling.

1542
01:15:41,572 --> 01:15:44,333
Speaker 3: What do you think cocaine use is increasing so much

1543
01:15:44,452 --> 01:15:45,212
Speaker 3: in New Zealand?

1544
01:15:46,173 --> 01:15:50,492
Speaker 7: Yeah, looks I mean historically we've barely had any cocaine

1545
01:15:50,532 --> 01:15:53,732
Speaker 7: which most people will be aware of. It's been limited

1546
01:15:53,772 --> 01:15:56,492
Speaker 7: to a very small group of auckland is primarily getting

1547
01:15:56,492 --> 01:16:00,293
Speaker 7: their hands on it, and therefore it's got a bit

1548
01:16:00,333 --> 01:16:04,972
Speaker 7: of a glamorous reputation. But actually there are some harms

1549
01:16:04,973 --> 01:16:10,013
Speaker 7: with that, and the increase in supply is basically internationally

1550
01:16:10,213 --> 01:16:13,773
Speaker 7: the product producers of cocaine have become much more efficient

1551
01:16:14,333 --> 01:16:17,173
Speaker 7: at producing cocaine, so the production levels have gone up.

1552
01:16:17,213 --> 01:16:20,253
Speaker 7: I think it was like thirty percent in one year alone,

1553
01:16:21,253 --> 01:16:24,293
Speaker 7: So we've seen a glut of it and therefore it

1554
01:16:24,412 --> 01:16:27,492
Speaker 7: been pushed into markets where it hasn't really been before.

1555
01:16:28,213 --> 01:16:31,012
Speaker 3: Is it true that New Zealand has targeted for cocaine

1556
01:16:31,093 --> 01:16:35,172
Speaker 3: sales because it's so profitable selling it here, because it's

1557
01:16:35,213 --> 01:16:38,652
Speaker 3: you know, it's more expensive to buy it here, you

1558
01:16:39,133 --> 01:16:39,852
Speaker 3: can charge more.

1559
01:16:42,133 --> 01:16:44,492
Speaker 7: Yeah, probably yes, San No, I think the price has

1560
01:16:44,572 --> 01:16:48,372
Speaker 7: come down. I think it's actually competitive or even cheaper them.

1561
01:16:48,412 --> 01:16:50,772
Speaker 7: We've been better man from memory at the moment, so

1562
01:16:51,572 --> 01:16:54,812
Speaker 7: the price has actually come down. But definitely some of

1563
01:16:54,893 --> 01:16:58,412
Speaker 7: the substances have included attracts a higher price here and

1564
01:16:58,452 --> 01:17:01,772
Speaker 7: as one of the reasons there are some specific arms

1565
01:17:01,772 --> 01:17:03,412
Speaker 7: with cocaine that people should be aware.

1566
01:17:03,692 --> 01:17:06,093
Speaker 2: I know you've done some surveys. The Drug Foundation is

1567
01:17:06,133 --> 01:17:08,572
Speaker 2: done survey on cocaine usage within the country tree in

1568
01:17:08,612 --> 01:17:11,652
Speaker 2: the wastewater testing. But is it far more prevalent than

1569
01:17:11,692 --> 01:17:13,013
Speaker 2: most people would realize.

1570
01:17:14,612 --> 01:17:17,972
Speaker 7: No, it's still only a small percentage of people, So,

1571
01:17:19,093 --> 01:17:24,052
Speaker 7: you know, drug use overall, Almost every New Zealanders tried alcohol.

1572
01:17:24,372 --> 01:17:28,932
Speaker 7: Many most New Zealanders continue to use alcohol regularly. Most

1573
01:17:28,973 --> 01:17:33,293
Speaker 7: New Zealanders have tried cannabis. A smaller percentage go want

1574
01:17:33,293 --> 01:17:38,252
Speaker 7: and use it regularly, and with the sort of MDMA cocaine,

1575
01:17:38,253 --> 01:17:41,933
Speaker 7: which that's quite different from MDMA in some ways, but

1576
01:17:42,053 --> 01:17:45,452
Speaker 7: that's a smaller group. So it's only a few percent

1577
01:17:45,973 --> 01:17:49,293
Speaker 7: that use that in any one year, but a bigger

1578
01:17:49,293 --> 01:17:53,013
Speaker 7: percentage have actually tried it, so it's not completely unusual to.

1579
01:17:53,492 --> 01:17:56,253
Speaker 3: Use it either.

1580
01:17:56,293 --> 01:17:56,532
Speaker 14: People.

1581
01:17:56,692 --> 01:17:58,812
Speaker 3: Yes, So cocaine use in terms of the things that

1582
01:17:59,372 --> 01:18:02,093
Speaker 3: the drug use New Zealanders worry about or need to

1583
01:18:02,133 --> 01:18:04,493
Speaker 3: worry about as near the bottom of the pile.

1584
01:18:05,853 --> 01:18:08,452
Speaker 7: Sort of, I do. I mean, we are witnesses. It's

1585
01:18:08,692 --> 01:18:13,652
Speaker 7: quite a significant growth in our cocaine consumption, and I

1586
01:18:13,692 --> 01:18:16,852
Speaker 7: think we can't ignore that. I don't I think that

1587
01:18:16,973 --> 01:18:21,053
Speaker 7: trend we're expecting to continue unless we do something about it.

1588
01:18:21,213 --> 01:18:25,012
Speaker 7: So it does have some harms with it. For example,

1589
01:18:25,013 --> 01:18:27,572
Speaker 7: one then people might not be aware of is that

1590
01:18:27,652 --> 01:18:30,973
Speaker 7: it has a very specific compulsive readosing effects. So you know,

1591
01:18:31,013 --> 01:18:33,093
Speaker 7: when you finish a drink, you can't want another one

1592
01:18:33,093 --> 01:18:36,692
Speaker 7: because your glass is empty with cocaine they've tested on

1593
01:18:36,772 --> 01:18:39,412
Speaker 7: wrapped and they just keep wanting to take it because

1594
01:18:39,452 --> 01:18:43,372
Speaker 7: there's actually this additional phenomenon in your body where you

1595
01:18:43,452 --> 01:18:44,412
Speaker 7: just really want more.

1596
01:18:44,692 --> 01:18:47,972
Speaker 2: Yeah, fascinating stuff. Sarah. We're out of time, but thank

1597
01:18:48,013 --> 01:18:50,213
Speaker 2: you very much for joining us on the program to

1598
01:18:50,253 --> 01:18:53,772
Speaker 2: have a chet interesting discussion. It certainly was right coming

1599
01:18:53,853 --> 01:18:58,253
Speaker 2: up after three o'clock. Little secrets you've got in your relationship,

1600
01:18:58,293 --> 01:19:03,012
Speaker 2: Matt's certainly got one that you mentioned earlier this show.

1601
01:19:03,293 --> 01:19:05,772
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm harboring a terrible secret relationship that I'm about

1602
01:19:05,812 --> 01:19:07,173
Speaker 3: to share your.

1603
01:19:07,213 --> 01:19:10,133
Speaker 11: New home for a full and it's a teating talk.

1604
01:19:10,293 --> 01:19:14,452
Speaker 1: It's Maddie and Taylor Adams Afternoons with the Volvo X

1605
01:19:14,772 --> 01:19:15,972
Speaker 1: night on News Talk.

1606
01:19:17,213 --> 01:19:21,733
Speaker 2: Good afternoon, welcome back into the program. Interesting chat this afternoon,

1607
01:19:21,812 --> 01:19:23,572
Speaker 2: and it's not going to stop, it's going to carry on.

1608
01:19:23,732 --> 01:19:27,892
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's put the cocaine away. Ye, put that behind us,

1609
01:19:28,893 --> 01:19:30,253
Speaker 3: back in to the case. It's probably not the way

1610
01:19:30,253 --> 01:19:31,732
Speaker 3: to say it. Let's put it away. No, we didn't

1611
01:19:31,732 --> 01:19:34,732
Speaker 3: have any out, but let's put that away. A cocaine.

1612
01:19:34,893 --> 01:19:38,013
Speaker 3: It's one side the table and move on to this

1613
01:19:38,053 --> 01:19:40,852
Speaker 3: topic here, which is lying and levels of lying in

1614
01:19:40,893 --> 01:19:43,933
Speaker 3: a relationship. And this was just a little picture that

1615
01:19:43,973 --> 01:19:46,173
Speaker 3: I sent Tyler on the weekend. And it was me

1616
01:19:46,732 --> 01:19:49,012
Speaker 3: because we've been we've been talking a little bit about

1617
01:19:50,053 --> 01:19:53,412
Speaker 3: you know, weight and health and we and we tried

1618
01:19:53,412 --> 01:19:55,013
Speaker 3: to lose weight over the break and I did, but

1619
01:19:55,053 --> 01:19:58,812
Speaker 3: Tyler didn't. And so I was just sending him a

1620
01:19:58,853 --> 01:20:00,772
Speaker 3: picture of a little cheek that I was doing. I

1621
01:20:00,812 --> 01:20:02,612
Speaker 3: was cheating on my partner and I seen him a

1622
01:20:02,612 --> 01:20:03,133
Speaker 3: little picture.

1623
01:20:03,253 --> 01:20:05,412
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you look like you were having a great time.

1624
01:20:05,572 --> 01:20:09,773
Speaker 3: Yeah. And the way I was cheating on my partners,

1625
01:20:09,452 --> 01:20:13,013
Speaker 3: and I might have suggested good to clarify, was by

1626
01:20:13,133 --> 01:20:17,293
Speaker 3: slamming some some fries in a burger and a side

1627
01:20:17,333 --> 01:20:19,732
Speaker 3: burger and some nuggets in the car.

1628
01:20:19,893 --> 01:20:23,133
Speaker 2: And it wasn't a bougie burger. This was dirdy oh McDonald's.

1629
01:20:23,213 --> 01:20:23,452
Speaker 11: Yep.

1630
01:20:23,692 --> 01:20:25,772
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, we don't need to but look like,

1631
01:20:25,893 --> 01:20:27,772
Speaker 3: if you want to see the picture centum, I put

1632
01:20:27,812 --> 01:20:29,852
Speaker 3: it up on Matt heathan z on my Instagram page,

1633
01:20:29,853 --> 01:20:31,572
Speaker 3: put it up on my story if you want to

1634
01:20:31,612 --> 01:20:34,333
Speaker 3: go there and have a look at how happy I

1635
01:20:34,372 --> 01:20:36,652
Speaker 3: am out there. But what I'm being doing there is deceitful.

1636
01:20:37,053 --> 01:20:39,693
Speaker 3: So we're just thinking about what's okay in a relationship

1637
01:20:39,732 --> 01:20:44,253
Speaker 3: in terms of being honest or not, because so I'm

1638
01:20:44,293 --> 01:20:46,452
Speaker 3: supposed to be eating healthy at the moment. It's sort

1639
01:20:46,452 --> 01:20:49,612
Speaker 3: of a discussion we've had and we've got a program

1640
01:20:49,732 --> 01:20:53,093
Speaker 3: on So because I wanted to eatmcdonald's, I ate it

1641
01:20:53,093 --> 01:20:54,612
Speaker 3: in the car in the front of the house, and

1642
01:20:54,652 --> 01:20:56,532
Speaker 3: then I went in and ate my dinner as well.

1643
01:20:57,173 --> 01:20:59,612
Speaker 3: So that is that a level of dishonesty that you're

1644
01:20:59,652 --> 01:21:03,012
Speaker 3: allowed to run in a relationship. Not my relationship with Tyler,

1645
01:21:03,293 --> 01:21:07,293
Speaker 3: my relationship with Tracy. Because I was very honest to

1646
01:21:07,333 --> 01:21:11,532
Speaker 3: you about about slamming this burger, very honest. You're very

1647
01:21:11,572 --> 01:21:13,492
Speaker 3: proud in fact I sent you a picture of it.

1648
01:21:13,572 --> 01:21:14,492
Speaker 2: You did you.

1649
01:21:15,213 --> 01:21:17,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's deceitful in doing it.

1650
01:21:17,532 --> 01:21:20,972
Speaker 2: But is it deceitful if Tracy didn't ask you when

1651
01:21:20,973 --> 01:21:23,732
Speaker 2: you walk through the door, Hello, Matt, how was your day?

1652
01:21:23,772 --> 01:21:26,173
Speaker 2: I've got this nice dinner. It looks beautiful, Tracy, thank

1653
01:21:26,213 --> 01:21:28,692
Speaker 2: you, you sat down, you ate it, and nothing was said

1654
01:21:28,732 --> 01:21:31,052
Speaker 2: about Hey, by the way, did you stop at Mecha's

1655
01:21:31,053 --> 01:21:31,692
Speaker 2: on the way home.

1656
01:21:31,933 --> 01:21:34,333
Speaker 3: Why aren't you so hungry for your salad?

1657
01:21:34,452 --> 01:21:35,293
Speaker 5: Yeah? So you?

1658
01:21:35,333 --> 01:21:37,093
Speaker 3: Why ain't you raving us for the salad in front

1659
01:21:37,093 --> 01:21:37,213
Speaker 3: of you?

1660
01:21:37,372 --> 01:21:39,532
Speaker 2: So if no questions are asked, I don't know if

1661
01:21:39,572 --> 01:21:41,412
Speaker 2: it's that deceitful, is it? I mean?

1662
01:21:41,732 --> 01:21:44,772
Speaker 3: Should should relationships be one hundred percent honest all the time?

1663
01:21:44,812 --> 01:21:47,692
Speaker 3: Should you tell everything? Or is it okay to keep

1664
01:21:47,893 --> 01:21:50,892
Speaker 3: because it's a lie by a mission, isn't it? Because

1665
01:21:51,293 --> 01:21:55,372
Speaker 3: because she hasn't specifically asked me to my face, are

1666
01:21:55,532 --> 01:21:58,372
Speaker 3: you slamming burgers in the car before you came up?

1667
01:21:59,173 --> 01:21:59,372
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1668
01:21:59,372 --> 01:22:01,933
Speaker 3: You know, And then under that circumstance, I'd probably have

1669
01:22:01,973 --> 01:22:04,652
Speaker 3: to say yes I was, because that would be a

1670
01:22:04,732 --> 01:22:08,892
Speaker 3: direct lie. But what about slamming the burgers, then cleaning

1671
01:22:08,973 --> 01:22:10,692
Speaker 3: up the mess, and then hiding and make sure there's

1672
01:22:10,692 --> 01:22:12,732
Speaker 3: no chips on the floor of the car, and then

1673
01:22:12,772 --> 01:22:13,972
Speaker 3: getting rid of all the events.

1674
01:22:13,973 --> 01:22:17,372
Speaker 2: It's a step above, and you go and just hide

1675
01:22:17,412 --> 01:22:19,612
Speaker 2: it right down the bottom there there's a step above.

1676
01:22:20,013 --> 01:22:22,933
Speaker 3: Oh, that's a good point. Doesn't really sound dishonest if

1677
01:22:22,933 --> 01:22:24,652
Speaker 3: you post it online. Not really a secret anymore. I

1678
01:22:24,692 --> 01:22:29,133
Speaker 3: got to take that down. Yah, she doesn't know when

1679
01:22:29,133 --> 01:22:30,892
Speaker 3: it was. And if she's listening to the show.

1680
01:22:31,213 --> 01:22:32,253
Speaker 2: I've got another one for you.

1681
01:22:32,333 --> 01:22:34,253
Speaker 3: I think that's a very good point. I think about that.

1682
01:22:34,293 --> 01:22:36,852
Speaker 2: I've got another one for you. So quite often and

1683
01:22:36,973 --> 01:22:40,012
Speaker 2: me and may will watch a series together, right, TV series,

1684
01:22:40,253 --> 01:22:42,972
Speaker 2: And we try to watch one episode a night, maybe

1685
01:22:43,053 --> 01:22:46,293
Speaker 2: every couple of nights. But sometimes, if I'm really loving

1686
01:22:46,333 --> 01:22:49,692
Speaker 2: the series, when she goes to Beard, I'll watch another

1687
01:22:49,732 --> 01:22:52,812
Speaker 2: episode by myself. And then when it comes time to

1688
01:22:52,893 --> 01:22:55,653
Speaker 2: rewatch that episode, I won't tell her I've watched it.

1689
01:22:55,093 --> 01:22:57,892
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'll watch it again and old pretend like

1690
01:22:57,973 --> 01:23:01,092
Speaker 2: your first time I'm watching it. Has that been deceeend?

1691
01:23:01,093 --> 01:23:02,973
Speaker 3: Well, that's a huge problem in a lot of relationships,

1692
01:23:03,053 --> 01:23:04,973
Speaker 3: isn't it. They trying to keep in sync with the

1693
01:23:05,013 --> 01:23:06,173
Speaker 3: watching the TV series.

1694
01:23:06,333 --> 01:23:10,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm only punishing myself at that scenario, aren't

1695
01:23:10,213 --> 01:23:13,612
Speaker 2: I Because I'm watching that episode twice. Mayve doesn't need

1696
01:23:13,652 --> 01:23:15,253
Speaker 2: to know. I mean she knows now because I've just

1697
01:23:15,253 --> 01:23:17,732
Speaker 2: said it on radio. Yeah, but she doesn't need to

1698
01:23:17,732 --> 01:23:19,772
Speaker 2: know that I've been a bit cheeky and watched it

1699
01:23:19,772 --> 01:23:20,412
Speaker 2: ahead of time.

1700
01:23:20,532 --> 01:23:23,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I read this book called Lying both a

1701
01:23:23,173 --> 01:23:27,012
Speaker 3: neuroscientist called Sam Harris, and he argued, and I wrote

1702
01:23:27,013 --> 01:23:29,772
Speaker 3: about my own book that any kind of lying is bad,

1703
01:23:29,933 --> 01:23:32,173
Speaker 3: any lying at all, and there should be no lying

1704
01:23:32,253 --> 01:23:35,533
Speaker 3: in your life. You should aim to be completely truthful

1705
01:23:35,732 --> 01:23:38,892
Speaker 3: all the time. So having the burger in the car,

1706
01:23:39,053 --> 01:23:41,293
Speaker 3: someone says, Matt, you only let yourself down by aiding

1707
01:23:41,293 --> 01:23:44,732
Speaker 3: that that might be true. Yeah, but there is a

1708
01:23:44,812 --> 01:23:47,012
Speaker 3: level of dishonesty for it. And what I have to say,

1709
01:23:47,213 --> 01:23:50,093
Speaker 3: as I enjoy the level of dishonesty, it made the

1710
01:23:50,093 --> 01:23:51,973
Speaker 3: burger taste all the better because I know I was

1711
01:23:52,013 --> 01:23:54,253
Speaker 3: been naughty and eating it outside when I wasn't supposed to.

1712
01:23:54,293 --> 01:23:55,972
Speaker 3: It made me feel like a little kid again.

1713
01:23:55,812 --> 01:23:58,093
Speaker 2: That little COVID COVID element of it.

1714
01:23:58,213 --> 01:24:00,372
Speaker 3: But as that just a slippery slopes to having a

1715
01:24:00,492 --> 01:24:02,732
Speaker 3: whole other family in Hamilton. Yeah, with the level of

1716
01:24:02,732 --> 01:24:04,652
Speaker 3: disonesty that you start bringing into your life, this.

1717
01:24:04,652 --> 01:24:06,013
Speaker 2: Is going to be good. I eight one hundred and

1718
01:24:06,053 --> 01:24:09,213
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty. Where is the life when it comes

1719
01:24:09,253 --> 01:24:14,013
Speaker 2: to lime? Was what Matt did? Dishonest and deceitful or

1720
01:24:14,053 --> 01:24:15,812
Speaker 2: do we all have these little things that we do

1721
01:24:15,893 --> 01:24:17,812
Speaker 2: that it's not quite lime, but it feels a little bit.

1722
01:24:17,933 --> 01:24:19,812
Speaker 3: Yeah, like this text here in nineteen nine two, I

1723
01:24:19,812 --> 01:24:22,293
Speaker 3: had a job canceled and playing nine holes and instead

1724
01:24:22,372 --> 01:24:23,372
Speaker 3: partner thought I was at.

1725
01:24:23,213 --> 01:24:26,372
Speaker 2: Work like a style, like his style. Right, let's get

1726
01:24:26,372 --> 01:24:28,173
Speaker 2: into this. Nine two nine two is the text number

1727
01:24:28,173 --> 01:24:33,892
Speaker 2: twelve past three is Matt Heath a dirty little lie? Well, look,

1728
01:24:33,893 --> 01:24:35,612
Speaker 2: I would have gone away with this life and done

1729
01:24:35,652 --> 01:24:37,052
Speaker 2: two things. I've just been rumbled.

1730
01:24:37,093 --> 01:24:37,293
Speaker 5: One.

1731
01:24:37,372 --> 01:24:40,173
Speaker 3: The first mistake I had about my slamming burger and

1732
01:24:40,213 --> 01:24:43,012
Speaker 3: fries in the car was bringing it up by posting

1733
01:24:43,053 --> 01:24:44,692
Speaker 3: it on social media so you could see the picture

1734
01:24:44,732 --> 01:24:47,652
Speaker 3: of it on my Instagram account Matt eating zid. The

1735
01:24:47,692 --> 01:24:50,772
Speaker 3: second was bringing up on Newstalk zeb was ver I've

1736
01:24:50,812 --> 01:24:54,133
Speaker 3: rumbled myself stupidly, a load amateur, And I just got

1737
01:24:54,133 --> 01:24:57,492
Speaker 3: a text from my lovely partner Tracy saying I always.

1738
01:24:57,173 --> 01:24:58,093
Speaker 2: Know, there you go.

1739
01:24:58,452 --> 01:25:00,692
Speaker 3: Yeah, but she didn't know. She says, I always know,

1740
01:25:01,173 --> 01:25:03,133
Speaker 3: but she didn't say anything until I posted on social

1741
01:25:03,133 --> 01:25:05,133
Speaker 3: media and talked about it on the biggest radio station

1742
01:25:05,173 --> 01:25:08,572
Speaker 3: in the country. Anyway, we're asking what level of a

1743
01:25:08,652 --> 01:25:13,253
Speaker 3: deceitful madness is allowed in a relationship. This Texas says,

1744
01:25:13,333 --> 01:25:15,053
Speaker 3: wife thinks I haven't had a can of v in

1745
01:25:15,133 --> 01:25:17,732
Speaker 3: introdrink for four years. I have one every day.

1746
01:25:18,173 --> 01:25:21,492
Speaker 2: She doesn't need to know. It's just a harmless, little

1747
01:25:21,612 --> 01:25:25,652
Speaker 2: little lie. This one said, Guys, I had a partner

1748
01:25:25,652 --> 01:25:28,812
Speaker 2: who lied about absolutely everything to me and all my friends.

1749
01:25:29,013 --> 01:25:32,052
Speaker 2: Didn't take long for us to realize. But he denied, denied, denied,

1750
01:25:32,173 --> 01:25:35,173
Speaker 2: even though we all knew. He couldn't understand why I

1751
01:25:35,213 --> 01:25:38,253
Speaker 2: didn't want him, even though I told him when we

1752
01:25:38,253 --> 01:25:40,812
Speaker 2: first meet. I can't stand being lied to. Truth and

1753
01:25:40,893 --> 01:25:42,653
Speaker 2: trust is everything in a relationship.

1754
01:25:43,372 --> 01:25:45,692
Speaker 3: Like is it just a slippery like? Yes, I say,

1755
01:25:45,772 --> 01:25:47,692
Speaker 3: first you're just sneaking a little burger in the car,

1756
01:25:47,732 --> 01:25:50,133
Speaker 3: and the next thing you know, you're stealing money from

1757
01:25:50,173 --> 01:25:50,732
Speaker 3: their person.

1758
01:25:51,853 --> 01:25:54,613
Speaker 2: I don't know how these things go. Matthew, How are you.

1759
01:25:56,213 --> 01:25:56,412
Speaker 8: Good?

1760
01:25:56,452 --> 01:25:57,692
Speaker 21: Thanks?

1761
01:25:57,692 --> 01:25:58,213
Speaker 14: How are you?

1762
01:25:58,293 --> 01:25:58,492
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1763
01:25:58,812 --> 01:26:03,452
Speaker 5: Very good? Matthew Tyler, What am I gonna ask you?

1764
01:26:03,732 --> 01:26:06,732
Speaker 21: How does may not know you've watched something? Because Netflix

1765
01:26:06,772 --> 01:26:10,133
Speaker 21: always says there's that little line under or whatever, you know,

1766
01:26:10,293 --> 01:26:11,492
Speaker 21: episode's already watched.

1767
01:26:11,612 --> 01:26:16,412
Speaker 2: Good point, good point. And sometimes she does, Matthew because

1768
01:26:17,253 --> 01:26:19,173
Speaker 2: She'll be watching and she'll be riveted and I'll be

1769
01:26:19,213 --> 01:26:21,492
Speaker 2: on my phone and she said, why aren't you You're

1770
01:26:21,532 --> 01:26:24,333
Speaker 2: not You're missing the storyline here. And then at that

1771
01:26:24,412 --> 01:26:28,052
Speaker 2: point I have to admit and said, well, I kind

1772
01:26:28,053 --> 01:26:30,813
Speaker 2: of watched most of this when you went to beards

1773
01:26:31,133 --> 01:26:33,452
Speaker 2: last night. And then she'd flip out a little bit

1774
01:26:33,452 --> 01:26:35,812
Speaker 2: and say, now, how dare you? You know this was

1775
01:26:35,853 --> 01:26:38,173
Speaker 2: something that we were meant to watch together. So I

1776
01:26:38,213 --> 01:26:40,012
Speaker 2: own up to that. But you're quite right. I mean,

1777
01:26:40,692 --> 01:26:42,772
Speaker 2: the point there is that if she calls me out

1778
01:26:42,812 --> 01:26:45,492
Speaker 2: on my little deceitfulness, I'll own up to it straight away.

1779
01:26:45,652 --> 01:26:46,612
Speaker 2: I don't carry on the light.

1780
01:26:46,692 --> 01:26:52,133
Speaker 3: Ye, sorry for a second, Mathew, but you will sit

1781
01:26:52,173 --> 01:26:54,053
Speaker 3: through if she doesn't call you out on it. You

1782
01:26:54,053 --> 01:26:56,652
Speaker 3: will sit through an entire episode of a show that

1783
01:26:56,692 --> 01:26:59,092
Speaker 3: you've already watched, just to keep the peace.

1784
01:26:59,173 --> 01:27:01,412
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no need to start something unless you know

1785
01:27:01,572 --> 01:27:02,932
Speaker 2: then she finds out this though.

1786
01:27:02,933 --> 01:27:04,932
Speaker 3: It's like an hour of your life. You'll never get bad.

1787
01:27:06,772 --> 01:27:09,173
Speaker 2: She's texting now, not happy.

1788
01:27:09,412 --> 01:27:11,132
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I've just got a text from my partner

1789
01:27:11,133 --> 01:27:14,213
Speaker 3: saying you're only cheating yourself. Matt. It is true because

1790
01:27:14,412 --> 01:27:16,892
Speaker 3: but I'm also but also it's deceitful her because she goes, well,

1791
01:27:16,893 --> 01:27:19,013
Speaker 3: why isn't this diet we're on working, Why is matt

1792
01:27:19,053 --> 01:27:20,452
Speaker 3: continue to get fatter and fatter?

1793
01:27:21,893 --> 01:27:22,732
Speaker 2: Where am I going wrong?

1794
01:27:22,772 --> 01:27:24,932
Speaker 3: And we're having such good foods? But Matthew, you wanted

1795
01:27:24,933 --> 01:27:26,333
Speaker 3: to pick a hole in my story as well.

1796
01:27:27,652 --> 01:27:29,812
Speaker 5: Why are you having macas outside the house?

1797
01:27:31,253 --> 01:27:33,652
Speaker 3: Well, because we've sort of talked about trying to have

1798
01:27:33,692 --> 01:27:35,532
Speaker 3: a good diet, and then sometimes I go on these

1799
01:27:35,572 --> 01:27:37,892
Speaker 3: extreme things, or I go on a carnival diet or whatever,

1800
01:27:38,173 --> 01:27:40,173
Speaker 3: and then I suddenly want to have the McDonald's because,

1801
01:27:40,213 --> 01:27:42,012
Speaker 3: let's be honest, I had a few drinks night before

1802
01:27:42,053 --> 01:27:47,293
Speaker 3: and suddenly I'm very very excited about Yeah, so why not?

1803
01:27:48,572 --> 01:27:51,452
Speaker 21: Or in the car parks and then the evidence at.

1804
01:27:53,093 --> 01:27:57,253
Speaker 3: So you're saying you're not questioning my cheating, questing the

1805
01:27:57,973 --> 01:28:02,852
Speaker 3: execution of the cheating. Yeah, yeah, but I think we

1806
01:28:02,973 --> 01:28:05,813
Speaker 3: worse if you get caught just sitting at the McDonald's

1807
01:28:05,853 --> 01:28:09,093
Speaker 3: restaurant by yourself. I don't know. I mean, is that

1808
01:28:09,213 --> 01:28:11,012
Speaker 3: any letter less pathetic than sitting out in the front

1809
01:28:11,013 --> 01:28:13,732
Speaker 3: of the house in the car. I don't know, No, No,

1810
01:28:14,173 --> 01:28:15,012
Speaker 3: all of it's pathetic.

1811
01:28:15,692 --> 01:28:18,333
Speaker 2: I've certainly done that myself outside Kentucky fried Chicken, just

1812
01:28:18,333 --> 01:28:20,452
Speaker 2: sitting in the weak car park having my chicken, thinking

1813
01:28:20,732 --> 01:28:25,372
Speaker 2: what have I become? What's happened to my life? Man?

1814
01:28:25,652 --> 01:28:28,852
Speaker 2: Thank you very much? Make Oh eight hundred eighty eighty

1815
01:28:29,013 --> 01:28:31,812
Speaker 2: is the number to call this Texas here is don't

1816
01:28:31,853 --> 01:28:34,892
Speaker 2: ask me no questions and I won't tell you no lies,

1817
01:28:35,053 --> 01:28:36,652
Speaker 2: A nice lyric from Lyonard Skinnard.

1818
01:28:36,853 --> 01:28:40,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, George Costanzo and Seinfeld said, it's not lying

1819
01:28:40,412 --> 01:28:43,492
Speaker 3: a lie if you believe it. It's from beven And

1820
01:28:43,532 --> 01:28:45,412
Speaker 3: that's what he believe because he was pretending to be

1821
01:28:45,492 --> 01:28:47,892
Speaker 3: Art Vandalay and importer exporter, wasn't he for? And then

1822
01:28:47,893 --> 01:28:50,052
Speaker 3: he was pretending to marine biologist. And at some point

1823
01:28:50,053 --> 01:28:52,173
Speaker 3: he said thing, as long as I've been pretending to

1824
01:28:52,173 --> 01:28:54,412
Speaker 3: be this guy so long, I think I can afford

1825
01:28:54,452 --> 01:28:58,053
Speaker 3: myself a pretend house in the Hamptons. And then he

1826
01:28:58,133 --> 01:29:01,253
Speaker 3: had to take his parents, his parents in law, all

1827
01:29:01,253 --> 01:29:03,492
Speaker 3: the way out and lied all the way about having

1828
01:29:03,532 --> 01:29:05,173
Speaker 3: this house all the way out in the drive to it.

1829
01:29:05,772 --> 01:29:09,293
Speaker 2: Do you want to take life lessons from George Costanza? Though, Oh,

1830
01:29:09,293 --> 01:29:12,372
Speaker 2: eight one hundred eighty ten eighty Where is a line

1831
01:29:12,412 --> 01:29:14,812
Speaker 2: when it comes to those little lies that might not

1832
01:29:15,893 --> 01:29:21,372
Speaker 2: hurt anybody specifically, but may cause a few problems in relationship.

1833
01:29:21,973 --> 01:29:24,532
Speaker 2: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighties of great tecks coming

1834
01:29:24,532 --> 01:29:26,732
Speaker 2: through on nineteen ninety two, nineteen past three.

1835
01:29:26,732 --> 01:29:33,973
Speaker 1: Back in a month, Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons

1836
01:29:33,973 --> 01:29:37,212
Speaker 1: call oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk ZB.

1837
01:29:37,532 --> 01:29:39,812
Speaker 2: Good afternoon, twenty two past three.

1838
01:29:39,853 --> 01:29:41,652
Speaker 3: We're talking about little lies in the relationship. Are they

1839
01:29:41,652 --> 01:29:42,372
Speaker 3: okay or not?

1840
01:29:42,452 --> 01:29:42,612
Speaker 8: Either?

1841
01:29:42,652 --> 01:29:45,013
Speaker 3: A simply slope this Texas says on nine two nine two.

1842
01:29:45,053 --> 01:29:46,772
Speaker 3: Sometimes I would wait at the end of the road

1843
01:29:46,853 --> 01:29:49,492
Speaker 3: until hob he got home first one home Cooxtenner. I'd

1844
01:29:49,492 --> 01:29:52,452
Speaker 3: eat my Pixie caramel and stroll on my scroll on

1845
01:29:52,492 --> 01:29:55,452
Speaker 3: my phone until he pulled them the drive. We both

1846
01:29:55,492 --> 01:29:56,733
Speaker 3: pretended he doesn't.

1847
01:29:56,412 --> 01:30:00,532
Speaker 2: Know genius David, how are you this afternoon?

1848
01:30:01,452 --> 01:30:06,213
Speaker 14: Yeah? Hello, Matt and Tyler. Got some sorts. But number one, Matte,

1849
01:30:06,213 --> 01:30:09,933
Speaker 14: you're one brave Jude. Your show goes out to I

1850
01:30:09,933 --> 01:30:13,133
Speaker 14: don't know how many hundreds of thousands of people on

1851
01:30:13,253 --> 01:30:15,732
Speaker 14: the law is. There's probably a thousand people in this

1852
01:30:15,853 --> 01:30:20,932
Speaker 14: country that know your young lady Tracy. Tracy Heath and

1853
01:30:21,293 --> 01:30:24,532
Speaker 14: you've stolen from my thunder. But I can imagine she'd

1854
01:30:24,532 --> 01:30:27,732
Speaker 14: be getting hundreds of not sounds of people call.

1855
01:30:29,492 --> 01:30:31,492
Speaker 3: She texted within about thirty seconds of me saying it,

1856
01:30:31,532 --> 01:30:33,652
Speaker 3: so it was a full of player. So in a way,

1857
01:30:33,652 --> 01:30:35,012
Speaker 3: I've been honest, you know, yeah.

1858
01:30:36,093 --> 01:30:40,053
Speaker 14: Yeah, Well that's fine for last more than I more

1859
01:30:40,093 --> 01:30:43,772
Speaker 14: than I frowned. I've had several relationships which I've been

1860
01:30:44,293 --> 01:30:50,372
Speaker 14: more than fifty percent responsible for destroying. And because of

1861
01:30:50,412 --> 01:30:54,333
Speaker 14: the fact that one little secret becomes one little lie,

1862
01:30:54,452 --> 01:30:57,412
Speaker 14: one little lie becomes a bigger lie, and the bigger

1863
01:30:57,492 --> 01:31:01,372
Speaker 14: secret before you know it, the trust is not so

1864
01:31:01,492 --> 01:31:06,213
Speaker 14: much the trust of your partner has dissolved. It's trust

1865
01:31:06,253 --> 01:31:09,492
Speaker 14: in yourself. And that I'm not being critical everyone, just

1866
01:31:09,532 --> 01:31:12,133
Speaker 14: taking it as one example. If you could answer me,

1867
01:31:12,452 --> 01:31:16,853
Speaker 14: if you're in mind, why did you think it necessary

1868
01:31:16,933 --> 01:31:21,013
Speaker 14: not to tell Tracy that you'd have a couple of murgers.

1869
01:31:21,372 --> 01:31:23,732
Speaker 14: Were you scared of were you scared of what she

1870
01:31:23,853 --> 01:31:28,293
Speaker 14: might say or what them?

1871
01:31:29,173 --> 01:31:32,333
Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you. I'll tell you the full story, David.

1872
01:31:32,572 --> 01:31:34,532
Speaker 3: I've asked her to fat shame me and to hassle

1873
01:31:34,612 --> 01:31:37,173
Speaker 3: me into eating properly, because she's very good with her diet,

1874
01:31:37,173 --> 01:31:39,652
Speaker 3: and she thinks about these things, and and she hassles

1875
01:31:39,652 --> 01:31:42,492
Speaker 3: me to go to the gym on my request. You know,

1876
01:31:42,652 --> 01:31:46,372
Speaker 3: I've kind of put her in charge of of sorting

1877
01:31:46,412 --> 01:31:48,852
Speaker 3: me out in that regard, which is which is a

1878
01:31:48,933 --> 01:31:51,973
Speaker 3: job she takes quite seriously, and and I really, I

1879
01:31:52,013 --> 01:31:56,932
Speaker 3: really appreciate her efforts. So I guess it just felt

1880
01:31:57,013 --> 01:32:00,732
Speaker 3: like I really wanted to have the food, but I

1881
01:32:00,732 --> 01:32:03,532
Speaker 3: also didn't want I also wanted to keep her hassling me.

1882
01:32:03,933 --> 01:32:05,852
Speaker 3: So as soon as I've done something like that, she'd

1883
01:32:05,893 --> 01:32:07,652
Speaker 3: be like, well, what's the point anyway. You just go

1884
01:32:07,692 --> 01:32:09,812
Speaker 3: off and have burger in your car anyway, so we're

1885
01:32:09,812 --> 01:32:11,892
Speaker 3: never going to make any difference. I guess that's probably why.

1886
01:32:12,093 --> 01:32:15,932
Speaker 14: You know, if I were to accomplish, a cynical man

1887
01:32:16,053 --> 01:32:20,253
Speaker 14: might say, well, Matt's loves McDonald's is great, and the

1888
01:32:20,293 --> 01:32:20,772
Speaker 14: love of.

1889
01:32:20,692 --> 01:32:29,452
Speaker 3: His wife, Well maybe for that, maybe at that one point,

1890
01:32:30,692 --> 01:32:36,013
Speaker 3: briefly thirty seconds, thirty seconds of weakness, Yeah.

1891
01:32:35,572 --> 01:32:39,132
Speaker 14: Well, just one of it from my own side, just quickly,

1892
01:32:39,173 --> 01:32:42,612
Speaker 14: and lastly, I am the last relationship I had which

1893
01:32:42,652 --> 01:32:46,293
Speaker 14: I did value, which is no longer. One little thing

1894
01:32:46,372 --> 01:32:50,572
Speaker 14: I promised that I'll get up smoking, and I couldn't,

1895
01:32:50,572 --> 01:32:52,612
Speaker 14: so I didn't. So I'd sinking up the back of

1896
01:32:52,652 --> 01:32:56,572
Speaker 14: the house and paf away and absorb some mouth washed

1897
01:32:57,692 --> 01:33:01,572
Speaker 14: seen knew and you seen you, And it's just it's

1898
01:33:01,652 --> 01:33:06,732
Speaker 14: the loss of trust, yeah, isn't it? And your brave

1899
01:33:06,812 --> 01:33:10,852
Speaker 14: boy man too, And how soul of nation that you've

1900
01:33:10,853 --> 01:33:15,652
Speaker 14: scott those burgers And she must be a beautiful human being.

1901
01:33:17,253 --> 01:33:19,133
Speaker 3: Well she's give me a bit, agree from the text

1902
01:33:19,173 --> 01:33:22,173
Speaker 3: machine on my phone right now. Hey, thank you so

1903
01:33:22,253 --> 01:33:25,213
Speaker 3: much for you call. David. Appreciate it. He said. My

1904
01:33:25,213 --> 01:33:28,333
Speaker 3: boyfriend lied to me about him coloring is here? I

1905
01:33:28,333 --> 01:33:30,532
Speaker 3: can tell he dies? Is here? Do I call him

1906
01:33:30,532 --> 01:33:34,213
Speaker 3: out or say the truth? M yeah? I mean I

1907
01:33:34,213 --> 01:33:34,572
Speaker 3: don't know.

1908
01:33:35,372 --> 01:33:36,532
Speaker 2: Is it going to hurt his feelings?

1909
01:33:36,572 --> 01:33:36,772
Speaker 5: Though?

1910
01:33:36,973 --> 01:33:39,372
Speaker 3: Yeah? This Texas says, I just got caught cheating on

1911
01:33:39,412 --> 01:33:42,692
Speaker 3: my diet with the machas. I was doing the hard

1912
01:33:42,772 --> 01:33:44,732
Speaker 3: seventy five with my son, trying to get him to

1913
01:33:44,853 --> 01:33:49,132
Speaker 3: move and read lasted thirty seven days. He read two books,

1914
01:33:49,173 --> 01:33:52,333
Speaker 3: A Lifeless Punishing and the a SEC Sports Almanac, The Game,

1915
01:33:52,572 --> 01:33:56,652
Speaker 3: and he was disappointed with me. We had even signed

1916
01:33:56,692 --> 01:33:59,253
Speaker 3: a bit and said he couldn't go on a drink

1917
01:33:59,253 --> 01:34:02,452
Speaker 3: at Auckland City home games cost me one hundred dollars.

1918
01:34:03,093 --> 01:34:04,012
Speaker 2: It's a good text.

1919
01:34:04,053 --> 01:34:04,732
Speaker 3: It was it worth it.

1920
01:34:05,612 --> 01:34:08,213
Speaker 2: This is a good text, afternoon, lads. We lie out

1921
01:34:08,412 --> 01:34:11,652
Speaker 2: politeness every day. When someone says, hi, how are you,

1922
01:34:11,812 --> 01:34:14,372
Speaker 2: we say yeah, good, because we know they don't want

1923
01:34:14,372 --> 01:34:17,732
Speaker 2: to hear about all of our crap. Happens to all

1924
01:34:17,772 --> 01:34:19,812
Speaker 2: of us every single day from goal. So that's a

1925
01:34:19,812 --> 01:34:22,852
Speaker 2: good point. I don't know if you were not telling

1926
01:34:23,013 --> 01:34:25,333
Speaker 2: Tracy about the Meccas out of politeness, but that's what

1927
01:34:25,372 --> 01:34:29,012
Speaker 2: we do every week, at least, maybe sometimes every day.

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Speaker 2: In a relationship or with people around us. We lie

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Speaker 2: to protect feelings. Yeah, it is that okay to do

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Speaker 2: in a relationship because that's not a lie to be

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Speaker 2: deceitful and hurt someone. It's actually to save them from

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Speaker 2: being hurt.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess so. But I think that you can

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Speaker 3: end up having unforeseen circumstances. When I was a kid,

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Speaker 3: there was a mansion that was just down the road

1936
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Speaker 3: from our house on the farm that there's really flash place,

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Speaker 3: And when I was being dropped off by a friend's mum,

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Speaker 3: I said, they said, where's your house, And I said,

1939
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Speaker 3: that's my house. Because I always thought the house was cool. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it was way bigger and flash in than our house.

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Speaker 3: So I said, ah, that's my house. So they dropped

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Speaker 3: me off there, and then a couple of weeks later

1943
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Speaker 3: they were dropping my friend off to play with me

1944
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Speaker 3: and drop them off at that house. He knocked on

1945
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Speaker 3: the door and then there was no one knew what

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Speaker 3: was going on, so he walked off, didn't know where

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Speaker 3: to go. Then this phone calls them were out in

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Speaker 3: the street looking for him. So I don't know how.

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Speaker 3: You've got to be careful. I mean, I was eight

1950
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Speaker 3: at the time, so it can't be too hard on me.

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Speaker 3: And it was a very cool house to pretend that

1952
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Speaker 3: you lived in. But there's unforeseen circumstances about your dishonesty.

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Speaker 2: Who could have foreseen that?

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Speaker 5: Though?

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Speaker 2: That takes the cake. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten

1956
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Speaker 2: eighty little lies in relationships? Are they okay? Or never okay?

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Speaker 2: Love to hear from you. It is twenty eight PRS

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Speaker 2: three headlines with Raylene coming.

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Speaker 12: Up H's talk said the headlines with blue Bubble taxis

1960
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Speaker 12: a firmer approach to tenants behind on their rent to

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Speaker 12: allow termination when tenants don't meet obligations, skip rent or

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Speaker 12: refuse to work with the housing provider. It'll continue to

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Speaker 12: support househ making genuine attempts to get back on track

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Speaker 12: with their rent. David Seymour's apologized in writing to the

1966
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Speaker 12: Speaker over a charity stunt driving a vehicle up Parliament steps.

1967
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Speaker 12: Jerry Brownley has commended the Security Guard for his actions

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Speaker 12: and says any prosecution would be up to police. New

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Speaker 12: Zealand First has introduced a members bill that would require

1970
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Speaker 12: local authorities to hold a referendum on water fluoridation. A

1971
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Speaker 12: whit targeted councilor says patrols will step up at West

1972
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Speaker 12: Auckland train stations after a spate of creepy incidents. A

1973
01:36:42,893 --> 01:36:45,812
Speaker 12: man's been charged with assault at the Sturgis Road station.

1974
01:36:47,053 --> 01:36:51,172
Speaker 12: An Auckland University researcher says new Instagram teen accounts launching

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Speaker 12: today make it safer, but it's still not safe. So

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Speaker 12: are not of free past to let parents give kids access.

1977
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Speaker 12: People think their feelings are so real now. A celebrity

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1981
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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Raylan. And we're talking about little

1982
01:37:14,053 --> 01:37:17,333
Speaker 2: lies and relationships, are they okay or not? Okay?

1983
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Speaker 3: No, I I reckon zero tolerance for any kind of lies.

1984
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Speaker 3: It's a slippery soap.

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Speaker 2: Well you've been called out now for your little little deceitfulness.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: No, But then I just texted about that one and

1988
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Speaker 3: I said, it's just content for the radio.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, what did she say to that? We're still

1990
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Speaker 2: a reply.

1991
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Speaker 3: She hasn't come back on that. But yeah. So if

1992
01:37:38,293 --> 01:37:40,972
Speaker 3: you've got examples of catching out someone lying, I one

1993
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Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty nine two nine two's the

1994
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Speaker 3: text number. Or if there's a little lie you tell

1995
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Speaker 3: that you thinks okay, is lying just a little bit

1996
01:37:48,853 --> 01:37:52,572
Speaker 3: of a line relationship. Last Christmas, I spent money on

1997
01:37:52,572 --> 01:37:54,932
Speaker 3: my mum's gift then I did on my I spent

1998
01:37:55,572 --> 01:37:57,213
Speaker 3: more money on my mum's gift than I did on

1999
01:37:57,213 --> 01:38:00,293
Speaker 3: my wife's because I paid in cash and destroy the receipts.

2000
01:38:00,492 --> 01:38:02,933
Speaker 3: She'll never know. My wife doesn't understand how much my

2001
01:38:03,013 --> 01:38:06,013
Speaker 3: mother sacrifice for me and my sisters. Many times she

2002
01:38:06,093 --> 01:38:09,173
Speaker 3: went without food so we could eat. So I won't

2003
01:38:09,213 --> 01:38:12,692
Speaker 3: feel guilty. All right, there you gain. So so he

2004
01:38:12,772 --> 01:38:15,692
Speaker 3: feels he owes his mum more than he O's as partner,

2005
01:38:15,933 --> 01:38:18,173
Speaker 3: so he spends more on the Christmas gift, but then

2006
01:38:18,253 --> 01:38:19,532
Speaker 3: rips up the receipts.

2007
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's but if you ever get found out in

2008
01:38:24,213 --> 01:38:26,852
Speaker 2: that situation, I mean, for one, you shouldn't get into

2009
01:38:26,853 --> 01:38:28,173
Speaker 2: that situation.

2010
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Speaker 11: To begin with.

2011
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Speaker 2: But they are questions you just don't want to answer,

2012
01:38:31,692 --> 01:38:33,012
Speaker 2: I mean, because then it's going.

2013
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Speaker 3: To cause hurt, right, Yeah, if you lie in your

2014
01:38:35,933 --> 01:38:38,732
Speaker 3: relationships with the sexty, you are actually lying to yourself.

2015
01:38:38,772 --> 01:38:40,772
Speaker 3: What if someone asks you how they lock in a

2016
01:38:40,772 --> 01:38:44,253
Speaker 3: particular outfit? Do you say the honest truth or do

2017
01:38:44,293 --> 01:38:45,852
Speaker 3: you just say what you need to say to get

2018
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Speaker 3: out the door and go where you're trying to go.

2019
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Speaker 2: It's a very good question, I'll be honest. I actually

2020
01:38:52,812 --> 01:38:56,852
Speaker 2: would save a person's feelings. I mean, if it was

2021
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Speaker 2: someone I really cared about and they asked me, hey,

2022
01:39:00,412 --> 01:39:04,013
Speaker 2: do I look good in this particular dress or do

2023
01:39:04,093 --> 01:39:08,093
Speaker 2: you still find me attractive? Of course I'd say absolutely absolutely,

2024
01:39:08,333 --> 01:39:10,812
Speaker 2: because that saves their feeling. Clearly they're in a moment

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Speaker 2: of vulnerability, and I think that is an honorable thing

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Speaker 2: to do.

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Speaker 3: Okay, but what about when princess breakfasts went to that

2028
01:39:19,013 --> 01:39:20,972
Speaker 3: we're all wedding with that toilet seat on her head.

2029
01:39:21,612 --> 01:39:23,372
Speaker 3: It was just a whole lot of use people saying

2030
01:39:23,372 --> 01:39:26,053
Speaker 3: that looks you look great, and then she was out

2031
01:39:26,093 --> 01:39:27,412
Speaker 3: and then the whole world was laughing at it.

2032
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Speaker 2: Good question, George, How are you this afternoon?

2033
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Speaker 19: My question is politicians and their relationship with the public.

2034
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Speaker 19: Now is weasel talk acceptable? Now? I want to explain it.

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Speaker 19: In the eighties I was involved with the Post Office

2036
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Speaker 19: Union as an official. We had a major, a major

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Speaker 19: concern and we ended up with meeting with politicians and

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01:39:55,692 --> 01:39:58,933
Speaker 19: we actually met in a pub quarry to discuss this.

2039
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Speaker 19: And one of the conversations we had over a beer

2040
01:40:03,093 --> 01:40:06,532
Speaker 19: after the discussions was all over, was at what point

2041
01:40:06,652 --> 01:40:09,412
Speaker 19: do you know something? And he said, well, if you

2042
01:40:09,492 --> 01:40:14,892
Speaker 19: tell me in the pub something privately about something that

2043
01:40:14,933 --> 01:40:18,732
Speaker 19: you can send about is one thing. But officially I

2044
01:40:18,812 --> 01:40:22,572
Speaker 19: don't know it until someone writes to me officially as

2045
01:40:22,572 --> 01:40:26,172
Speaker 19: an MP and then informs me. So I can officially

2046
01:40:26,173 --> 01:40:28,572
Speaker 19: stand up and say no, I have not been told

2047
01:40:28,612 --> 01:40:31,732
Speaker 19: about something, and you describe that as weasel talk. Now,

2048
01:40:31,772 --> 01:40:33,972
Speaker 19: you guys have been involved with the news in parliament

2049
01:40:34,452 --> 01:40:37,452
Speaker 19: and you will know about this. So how acceptable is

2050
01:40:37,532 --> 01:40:40,452
Speaker 19: weasel talk in parliamentary news media?

2051
01:40:41,253 --> 01:40:44,572
Speaker 3: So what exactly do you mean by weasele talk?

2052
01:40:44,772 --> 01:40:45,932
Speaker 19: So that's why you don't know.

2053
01:40:46,372 --> 01:40:47,052
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't.

2054
01:40:47,053 --> 01:40:50,852
Speaker 19: Know with you. If I sit in the pub with

2055
01:40:50,933 --> 01:40:55,333
Speaker 19: you and tell you that as a as a, as

2056
01:40:55,492 --> 01:40:57,572
Speaker 19: the owner of Shell New Zealand, that we're going to

2057
01:40:57,572 --> 01:41:03,013
Speaker 19: be putting the petrol up next week, that when you

2058
01:41:03,093 --> 01:41:05,692
Speaker 19: go back, because you're in a politician and someone says

2059
01:41:05,732 --> 01:41:08,973
Speaker 19: to you in the news media is pful going up

2060
01:41:09,013 --> 01:41:14,412
Speaker 19: next week, You're going to reply, we have not been informed, right, Well.

2061
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Speaker 2: That, yeah, in that scenario, you're a bit of a mug,

2062
01:41:18,732 --> 01:41:20,492
Speaker 2: if you know, because if you get caught out, and

2063
01:41:20,532 --> 01:41:23,293
Speaker 2: there's been many a politician that's been caught out in

2064
01:41:23,333 --> 01:41:26,173
Speaker 2: a lie like that, and that's the end of your career.

2065
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Speaker 2: And if you sort of extend that, well sometimes if

2066
01:41:29,612 --> 01:41:33,612
Speaker 2: you extend that to a relationship, you know, and you

2067
01:41:33,652 --> 01:41:38,732
Speaker 2: get caught out in being deceitful, then that you lose trust, right,

2068
01:41:38,772 --> 01:41:39,972
Speaker 2: And that's a similar situation.

2069
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Speaker 19: Well, I remember a news news article when you guys

2070
01:41:43,692 --> 01:41:47,452
Speaker 19: were in the newsroom at Parliament and you accused one

2071
01:41:47,452 --> 01:41:49,173
Speaker 19: of the MP's of weasel cork.

2072
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Speaker 3: I've never been in the newsroom in Parliament.

2073
01:41:53,053 --> 01:41:54,052
Speaker 2: I can't remember that.

2074
01:41:55,013 --> 01:41:56,812
Speaker 19: No, but one of you guys said, because we watched

2075
01:41:56,812 --> 01:41:59,173
Speaker 19: the news media on TV when the guy did it,

2076
01:41:59,213 --> 01:42:00,812
Speaker 19: I don't know who it was, but it was one

2077
01:42:00,853 --> 01:42:07,253
Speaker 19: news media person. No, it's not you, but media.

2078
01:42:08,532 --> 01:42:09,972
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say that as part of the news media.

2079
01:42:10,013 --> 01:42:13,133
Speaker 3: But you continue, Okay.

2080
01:42:12,933 --> 01:42:16,173
Speaker 19: You can hide out what would used to talking.

2081
01:42:17,532 --> 01:42:20,412
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but you know, you know we're not journalists, George,

2082
01:42:20,492 --> 01:42:22,772
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, but.

2083
01:42:22,692 --> 01:42:25,532
Speaker 19: The journalists need to ask your questions the right way.

2084
01:42:25,732 --> 01:42:28,093
Speaker 19: I'll give you an example. About two thousand and twelve,

2085
01:42:28,173 --> 01:42:31,892
Speaker 19: John t was in Parliament and asked does the government

2086
01:42:32,133 --> 01:42:36,612
Speaker 19: monitor the Internet? And he said no, because the question

2087
01:42:36,732 --> 01:42:39,692
Speaker 19: should have been do you have access to everybody's Internet?

2088
01:42:40,253 --> 01:42:41,532
Speaker 19: And the answer would have been yes.

2089
01:42:42,333 --> 01:42:44,013
Speaker 3: Right, I see what it's saying. So there's a way

2090
01:42:44,013 --> 01:42:45,732
Speaker 3: to get round it. I was thinking about that today.

2091
01:42:45,732 --> 01:42:49,213
Speaker 3: So David Seymour was driving the you know, the up

2092
01:42:49,253 --> 01:42:51,772
Speaker 3: the steps of Parliament, right, and he's apologized ye for

2093
01:42:51,853 --> 01:42:54,532
Speaker 3: doing that? Ye that, like you know he I don't

2094
01:42:54,532 --> 01:42:56,053
Speaker 3: think he had anything to apologize for. I thought it

2095
01:42:56,053 --> 01:42:58,013
Speaker 3: was cool. That he drove the you know, drove up

2096
01:42:58,053 --> 01:43:01,452
Speaker 3: the steps. But so his apology for that is because

2097
01:43:01,492 --> 01:43:03,772
Speaker 3: he has to he has to apologize to sort of

2098
01:43:03,772 --> 01:43:05,973
Speaker 3: move forward. But in his heart, he's like, I'm not

2099
01:43:05,973 --> 01:43:08,652
Speaker 3: sorry I did that. Why would it be sorry?

2100
01:43:08,732 --> 01:43:13,852
Speaker 19: What would Because it's politically better for him to quell

2101
01:43:13,893 --> 01:43:16,572
Speaker 19: the problem than it is to let it fester and grow.

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Speaker 3: Yea, So his apology is a everyone knows that he

2103
01:43:20,772 --> 01:43:23,213
Speaker 3: doesn't feel sorry about it, including so it's not really

2104
01:43:23,253 --> 01:43:25,133
Speaker 3: a lie in a way because.

2105
01:43:25,213 --> 01:43:26,772
Speaker 5: Because it's a token, because.

2106
01:43:26,612 --> 01:43:30,012
Speaker 3: The speaker knows that he doesn't really he's not really sorry,

2107
01:43:30,253 --> 01:43:34,412
Speaker 3: but he has to say sorry, yeah, to acknowledge that

2108
01:43:34,452 --> 01:43:36,412
Speaker 3: some people are pretending it's a problem and they just

2109
01:43:36,412 --> 01:43:38,013
Speaker 3: want to move on, you know. Yeah.

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Speaker 19: It's like when you watch parliament and you hear a

2111
01:43:40,772 --> 01:43:45,053
Speaker 19: tarrade of abuse to some MP and then the speaker says,

2112
01:43:45,053 --> 01:43:48,532
Speaker 19: you shouldn't say that, apologize. I'm sorry, sir, I'm.

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Speaker 2: Sorry that you got offender. George much.

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Speaker 3: I think it's called double speakers. This Texas has came

2115
01:43:55,333 --> 01:43:57,173
Speaker 3: through right now on it. Yeah, I mean that's an

2116
01:43:57,173 --> 01:43:58,093
Speaker 3: interesting one, isn't it.

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Speaker 15: Yeah?

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01:43:59,412 --> 01:44:04,253
Speaker 2: I mean the politician public relationship very different to you

2119
01:44:04,372 --> 01:44:06,972
Speaker 2: and your partner relationship. But I argue where you're coming from.

2120
01:44:07,053 --> 01:44:11,333
Speaker 3: George didn't have sexual relations with that girl.

2121
01:44:11,572 --> 01:44:13,612
Speaker 2: Yeah, how did that work go for it? Oh e

2122
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Speaker 2: one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 2: It is twenty wonder four.

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Speaker 1: Have a chat with the lads on eight hundred eighty

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Speaker 3: They'd be We're talking about little lies and relationship and

2128
01:44:33,053 --> 01:44:35,692
Speaker 3: little untruths in life, and whether honesty is always the

2129
01:44:35,812 --> 01:44:39,013
Speaker 3: absolute best policy. I believe it probably is, even though

2130
01:44:39,013 --> 01:44:41,732
Speaker 3: I fall short on it quite a lot. This this

2131
01:44:41,893 --> 01:44:45,253
Speaker 3: text actually made me feel a little bit sad. On

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Speaker 3: nineteen nine two. Hey, guys, most days I tell my

2133
01:44:47,772 --> 01:44:50,972
Speaker 3: wife I'm fine, when the reality is I'm not. It's

2134
01:44:51,013 --> 01:44:54,293
Speaker 3: just life. Yeah, I mean sometimes if someone says the

2135
01:44:54,333 --> 01:44:56,932
Speaker 3: UK and you say fine, is that really a liar?

2136
01:44:57,013 --> 01:44:58,973
Speaker 3: Is It's more you don't want to go on to

2137
01:44:59,053 --> 01:45:02,293
Speaker 3: describing exactly the complexities of how you're feeling. You may

2138
01:45:02,333 --> 01:45:05,133
Speaker 3: not feel like you're justified to be feeling down. So

2139
01:45:05,253 --> 01:45:09,012
Speaker 3: sometimes I'm fine, I'm fine just means I'm dealing with it.

2140
01:45:09,013 --> 01:45:12,213
Speaker 3: It's nothing you can help me worth I'm fine, I'll

2141
01:45:12,253 --> 01:45:14,852
Speaker 3: be I'll be okay. But if you said I'll be okay,

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Speaker 3: then I'll be like, how can I help?

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01:45:17,253 --> 01:45:17,333
Speaker 5: So?

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01:45:17,652 --> 01:45:19,732
Speaker 3: But again, you're brown. Is that a lie to say

2145
01:45:19,732 --> 01:45:21,133
Speaker 3: that I'm fine when you're not.

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01:45:21,333 --> 01:45:23,452
Speaker 2: It is a lie. But you're protecting the other person.

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01:45:23,893 --> 01:45:25,852
Speaker 2: And I know, I mean a lot of people have asked,

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01:45:25,893 --> 01:45:27,972
Speaker 2: you know, we've had this problem with the rental being

2149
01:45:28,013 --> 01:45:31,133
Speaker 2: too hot upstairs, And I know now I'm just punishing

2150
01:45:31,173 --> 01:45:34,093
Speaker 2: people by being honest when they say how's the how's

2151
01:45:34,093 --> 01:45:36,612
Speaker 2: the rental going in Auckland? And before I tell the

2152
01:45:36,612 --> 01:45:38,253
Speaker 2: truth and say, oh, you know, we've we've got some

2153
01:45:38,293 --> 01:45:40,772
Speaker 2: issues with upstairs, and I could just see their eyes

2154
01:45:40,812 --> 01:45:44,012
Speaker 2: gloss over, just like, ah, he's telling me his problems.

2155
01:45:44,013 --> 01:45:45,652
Speaker 2: What am I going to say here? So now I

2156
01:45:45,772 --> 01:45:47,853
Speaker 2: just say it's good, we love it, it's fantastic.

2157
01:45:48,173 --> 01:45:53,092
Speaker 3: Oh you dirty, dirty liar, Jock?

2158
01:45:53,333 --> 01:45:54,452
Speaker 2: How are you have? I said that?

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01:45:54,532 --> 01:45:54,732
Speaker 8: Right?

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01:45:55,253 --> 01:45:57,492
Speaker 14: Oh?

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01:45:57,612 --> 01:45:59,372
Speaker 22: Here there you go? Are you Jim?

2162
01:45:59,572 --> 01:45:59,772
Speaker 2: Yeah?

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01:45:59,772 --> 01:46:02,013
Speaker 5: How are you fantastic?

2164
01:46:02,053 --> 01:46:02,572
Speaker 22: Thank you?

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01:46:02,572 --> 01:46:02,612
Speaker 5: No?

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01:46:02,853 --> 01:46:04,692
Speaker 22: Are you guys are spot on? I think we're all

2167
01:46:04,732 --> 01:46:08,892
Speaker 22: sort of we all say we're okay, Well, tell a

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01:46:08,933 --> 01:46:11,293
Speaker 22: lie without knowing it. I personally preferred dealing with the

2169
01:46:11,372 --> 01:46:14,093
Speaker 22: truth because then you know what to deal with. I'll

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01:46:14,293 --> 01:46:16,892
Speaker 22: quickly share something with you guys, just as a laugh.

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01:46:17,812 --> 01:46:20,492
Speaker 22: Just before we came over about you know, over eight

2172
01:46:20,572 --> 01:46:23,692
Speaker 22: years ago to New Zealand. We obviously had to get

2173
01:46:23,772 --> 01:46:25,812
Speaker 22: rid of animals and you don't want to hurt the

2174
01:46:25,893 --> 01:46:32,133
Speaker 22: kid's feelings. And we had a tortoise and the missus said, no,

2175
01:46:32,293 --> 01:46:35,013
Speaker 22: the torto has been missing while we went looking for

2176
01:46:35,372 --> 01:46:38,173
Speaker 22: this tort is, not knowing that she actually gave it

2177
01:46:38,253 --> 01:46:40,532
Speaker 22: a wait to somebody. But we also had a dog

2178
01:46:40,612 --> 01:46:43,412
Speaker 22: that we picked up. The beautiful little dog in this

2179
01:46:43,532 --> 01:46:46,852
Speaker 22: thing's name was Charlie, and he crawled into her heart.

2180
01:46:47,013 --> 01:46:51,013
Speaker 22: And then obviously time came to immigrate, and she said, no, no,

2181
01:46:51,133 --> 01:46:55,772
Speaker 22: she found the real owner and his real name is Rambow,

2182
01:46:55,933 --> 01:46:58,053
Speaker 22: you know. And I believed it. She only told me

2183
01:46:58,053 --> 01:46:58,732
Speaker 22: the other day.

2184
01:46:58,572 --> 01:46:59,372
Speaker 5: It was a lie.

2185
01:47:00,452 --> 01:47:02,572
Speaker 2: What'd she do with the what happened to Charlie?

2186
01:47:03,572 --> 01:47:08,452
Speaker 22: No, she actually found a breeder and yeah, so on

2187
01:47:08,532 --> 01:47:09,293
Speaker 22: pedigree dog.

2188
01:47:10,893 --> 01:47:14,452
Speaker 3: Has that affected your Has that affected your I don't

2189
01:47:14,452 --> 01:47:18,293
Speaker 3: know belief what she sees across a number of other things.

2190
01:47:19,532 --> 01:47:22,572
Speaker 22: No, I trust her with my life, but I think

2191
01:47:23,053 --> 01:47:25,532
Speaker 22: these things I've been victim as well. And it I'm

2192
01:47:25,612 --> 01:47:28,132
Speaker 22: very passionate about the truth and only the truth, because

2193
01:47:28,612 --> 01:47:31,532
Speaker 22: when I was younger, I was accused of something I

2194
01:47:31,572 --> 01:47:33,772
Speaker 22: didn't do and I actually had to get a fighting

2195
01:47:34,213 --> 01:47:37,692
Speaker 22: those days with a cane and there was blood sedting

2196
01:47:37,692 --> 01:47:40,732
Speaker 22: out of my backside, and it was something I was

2197
01:47:40,732 --> 01:47:42,732
Speaker 22: accused of doing which I didn't do, you know, so,

2198
01:47:43,492 --> 01:47:45,772
Speaker 22: and you know those things that get worse when you

2199
01:47:45,812 --> 01:47:48,932
Speaker 22: as you get older, people get accused of doing things.

2200
01:47:48,933 --> 01:47:51,452
Speaker 22: But I think in a way, we get taught these

2201
01:47:51,452 --> 01:47:53,812
Speaker 22: things when we're young. You know, you get taught about

2202
01:47:53,812 --> 01:47:58,732
Speaker 22: the true theory and center tall, you know that, all

2203
01:47:58,812 --> 01:48:00,972
Speaker 22: those sort of things. But it's yeah, I think it's

2204
01:48:00,973 --> 01:48:04,212
Speaker 22: a fine line. But I think in cases to protect

2205
01:48:04,492 --> 01:48:08,133
Speaker 22: family and kids innocently, you you sort of do tell

2206
01:48:08,492 --> 01:48:10,692
Speaker 22: so innocent laws something like that.

2207
01:48:10,933 --> 01:48:13,652
Speaker 2: Well on the kid question, yeah, on the kid question, Jock,

2208
01:48:13,732 --> 01:48:18,973
Speaker 2: and you mentioned, you know, animals, I can understand if

2209
01:48:19,013 --> 01:48:21,892
Speaker 2: a child is too young, say a child is five

2210
01:48:21,973 --> 01:48:25,133
Speaker 2: or sex and the dog has coming to the end

2211
01:48:25,133 --> 01:48:28,333
Speaker 2: of its life, is that the appropriate time to say,

2212
01:48:28,532 --> 01:48:31,093
Speaker 2: you know, Charlie's got a bit sick and we've got

2213
01:48:31,093 --> 01:48:32,412
Speaker 2: to do the right thing. And I know this is

2214
01:48:32,412 --> 01:48:34,372
Speaker 2: hard to understand and try and explain it to a

2215
01:48:34,412 --> 01:48:36,972
Speaker 2: five year old. Or do you say, Charlie has gone

2216
01:48:37,053 --> 01:48:38,932
Speaker 2: to live on a farm and he's having the time

2217
01:48:38,973 --> 01:48:39,572
Speaker 2: of his life.

2218
01:48:39,732 --> 01:48:41,972
Speaker 3: And yeah, but the problem is at one point then

2219
01:48:42,213 --> 01:48:44,133
Speaker 3: a parent's going to die or someone close to them

2220
01:48:44,213 --> 01:48:47,452
Speaker 3: is going to die. And these pet deaths are a

2221
01:48:47,492 --> 01:48:52,973
Speaker 3: way to introduce the concept of death to kids in

2222
01:48:53,013 --> 01:48:55,892
Speaker 3: an easier way, because there's going to be deaths that

2223
01:48:55,933 --> 01:48:58,333
Speaker 3: come that they there's that you can't cover up.

2224
01:48:58,412 --> 01:48:59,253
Speaker 2: You don't understand that.

2225
01:48:59,452 --> 01:49:03,652
Speaker 22: Yeah, so I think, yep, sorry, you carry up. No, no,

2226
01:49:03,692 --> 01:49:06,532
Speaker 22: you go no, I'm just going to say it's a

2227
01:49:06,572 --> 01:49:10,652
Speaker 22: good point, and it's I think it's you know what

2228
01:49:10,732 --> 01:49:13,012
Speaker 22: the answer is depending on who's in front of you.

2229
01:49:13,013 --> 01:49:15,333
Speaker 22: You know, you've got you can have. We've got three girls,

2230
01:49:15,372 --> 01:49:18,412
Speaker 22: and you you sort of share different things with them

2231
01:49:18,452 --> 01:49:21,732
Speaker 22: because they deal with things differently. Like one of our daughters,

2232
01:49:21,812 --> 01:49:24,452
Speaker 22: I might have to actually say no, it's got out

2233
01:49:24,452 --> 01:49:27,173
Speaker 22: to a farm, whereas the young is one older, say

2234
01:49:27,213 --> 01:49:29,572
Speaker 22: you know, this has happened, and she'll deal with it.

2235
01:49:29,652 --> 01:49:32,652
Speaker 22: And that way it sort of makes her b stronger,

2236
01:49:33,372 --> 01:49:36,572
Speaker 22: but yeah, I don't think it's it's not an eaty

2237
01:49:36,652 --> 01:49:37,772
Speaker 22: one Chi.

2238
01:49:37,933 --> 01:49:40,412
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for your call. This is another

2239
01:49:41,133 --> 01:49:42,812
Speaker 3: very sort of touching text that we got through a

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Speaker 3: nine two nine two. My wife and I are both

2241
01:49:44,652 --> 01:49:47,053
Speaker 3: very ill and often say no, I'm okay when she

2242
01:49:47,173 --> 01:49:49,852
Speaker 3: asks how I'm feeling when I'm actually in a lot

2243
01:49:49,853 --> 01:49:52,093
Speaker 3: of pain, and I know she does the same as

2244
01:49:52,133 --> 01:49:55,612
Speaker 3: we do not want each other worrying too much. That's

2245
01:49:55,652 --> 01:49:59,133
Speaker 3: from from Henry, and I've known people before that have

2246
01:49:59,173 --> 01:50:02,492
Speaker 3: been had cancer diagnosis and not wanted to tell people

2247
01:50:02,572 --> 01:50:05,093
Speaker 3: just because they didn't want to. They just wanted to

2248
01:50:05,093 --> 01:50:07,452
Speaker 3: deal with it and they didn't want to make the

2249
01:50:07,492 --> 01:50:11,372
Speaker 3: other person sad, so they don't share that information and

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01:50:11,372 --> 01:50:14,892
Speaker 3: then they're other person in this situation person got very upset, Yeah,

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01:50:14,893 --> 01:50:15,892
Speaker 3: because they hadn't been told.

2252
01:50:16,333 --> 01:50:20,012
Speaker 2: But that's tough, what a heavy burden for that person

2253
01:50:20,053 --> 01:50:22,133
Speaker 2: to carry. But I can understand that they wanted to

2254
01:50:22,133 --> 01:50:26,612
Speaker 2: protect their loved ones from information that would cause them

2255
01:50:26,692 --> 01:50:28,012
Speaker 2: a lot of pain, like this text.

2256
01:50:28,053 --> 01:50:30,213
Speaker 3: I lie on a daily I have a chronic health

2257
01:50:30,213 --> 01:50:32,612
Speaker 3: condition and usually have some kind of symptom or pain.

2258
01:50:32,692 --> 01:50:35,013
Speaker 3: But after so many years, people don't want to hear

2259
01:50:35,013 --> 01:50:37,013
Speaker 3: about anymore. It sucks. I'd like to be able to

2260
01:50:37,053 --> 01:50:38,973
Speaker 3: talk to people about it as that it helps me

2261
01:50:39,093 --> 01:50:42,052
Speaker 3: deal with it. But alas, no matter how close the person,

2262
01:50:42,253 --> 01:50:44,372
Speaker 3: they don't really want to hear. Ten years of this

2263
01:50:44,452 --> 01:50:49,293
Speaker 3: kind of thing, you get used to it. Yeah, I mean, yeah, this.

2264
01:50:49,652 --> 01:50:52,973
Speaker 2: Has gone into a tough territory now, Josh.

2265
01:50:53,013 --> 01:50:56,293
Speaker 21: You man, Yeah, hey, boys, how are you doing?

2266
01:50:56,692 --> 01:50:57,412
Speaker 8: You could be honest?

2267
01:50:57,652 --> 01:50:59,892
Speaker 3: Amazing, God, I'm good everything.

2268
01:51:00,013 --> 01:51:06,773
Speaker 2: I'm a little bit hungry if I'm being honest, Josh.

2269
01:51:04,692 --> 01:51:06,772
Speaker 21: I know you're not trying to me.

2270
01:51:07,093 --> 01:51:07,293
Speaker 11: Yeah.

2271
01:51:07,372 --> 01:51:10,572
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm full of crippling the spear actually, and I'm

2272
01:51:10,572 --> 01:51:11,893
Speaker 3: not sure how I'm going to make it through the

2273
01:51:11,933 --> 01:51:12,412
Speaker 3: phone call.

2274
01:51:12,612 --> 01:51:14,293
Speaker 2: He needs something beat you guys.

2275
01:51:14,893 --> 01:51:17,732
Speaker 21: What I what I find funny is see, I'm sort

2276
01:51:17,772 --> 01:51:20,452
Speaker 21: of new back to the dating scene, and you know

2277
01:51:20,492 --> 01:51:23,932
Speaker 21: you've got to evaluate this, like especially you know, if

2278
01:51:23,933 --> 01:51:26,973
Speaker 21: you're in a long term relationship and you've you know,

2279
01:51:27,053 --> 01:51:31,773
Speaker 21: your partner tends to have an attachment style and depending

2280
01:51:31,812 --> 01:51:35,733
Speaker 21: on you know, like she's going to have a relative

2281
01:51:35,853 --> 01:51:40,293
Speaker 21: zone of truth whatever the heck that is, right. See,

2282
01:51:40,293 --> 01:51:42,572
Speaker 21: I live in a world where it's a need to

2283
01:51:42,652 --> 01:51:49,452
Speaker 21: know basis say and disclosure is important. It's like, what

2284
01:51:49,452 --> 01:51:51,973
Speaker 21: are you supposed to do. If someone's asking you a

2285
01:51:52,053 --> 01:51:55,372
Speaker 21: direct question, you can do your best to answer it,

2286
01:51:56,013 --> 01:52:00,253
Speaker 21: but you're not going to come home and shout out, hey,

2287
01:52:00,772 --> 01:52:04,492
Speaker 21: I don't know a bunch of real stuff happened today whatever,

2288
01:52:05,293 --> 01:52:05,972
Speaker 21: You know what I mean.

2289
01:52:06,253 --> 01:52:08,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not necessarily lying.

2290
01:52:08,173 --> 01:52:11,852
Speaker 3: You list everything that happened in the day. You know,

2291
01:52:11,973 --> 01:52:13,772
Speaker 3: you could just exactly you.

2292
01:52:13,732 --> 01:52:16,253
Speaker 21: Don't have to tell her. My work mate rolled me

2293
01:52:16,412 --> 01:52:19,173
Speaker 21: up and I am a bit annoyed, and you know,

2294
01:52:19,213 --> 01:52:21,093
Speaker 21: it's like, what does she need to know that for?

2295
01:52:21,213 --> 01:52:24,293
Speaker 21: But and I was thinking too, like you got to

2296
01:52:24,293 --> 01:52:29,012
Speaker 21: see these videos online about body count They asked that question. Yeah,

2297
01:52:29,053 --> 01:52:32,572
Speaker 21: that's a bit of a speed dating question, and I'm like,

2298
01:52:32,933 --> 01:52:36,532
Speaker 21: is that appropriate, like if you like spishally in your

2299
01:52:36,532 --> 01:52:39,253
Speaker 21: beginning to date, Like, is that something you really want

2300
01:52:39,293 --> 01:52:41,133
Speaker 21: to know the answer to that?

2301
01:52:41,692 --> 01:52:43,933
Speaker 3: Are some of the worst kind of entertainment though, on that,

2302
01:52:44,053 --> 01:52:46,492
Speaker 3: YouTubers and tech talkers that just go up to people

2303
01:52:46,492 --> 01:52:49,053
Speaker 3: on the street and ask them questions. And I don't

2304
01:52:49,053 --> 01:52:51,253
Speaker 3: know why anyone would go and talk to them. Lazy,

2305
01:52:51,333 --> 01:52:53,372
Speaker 3: isn't it, But especially when you get people that they

2306
01:52:53,412 --> 01:52:54,973
Speaker 3: go up and hassle people that are drunk coming out

2307
01:52:55,013 --> 01:52:57,293
Speaker 3: of bars, couples and they start talking and then they.

2308
01:52:57,372 --> 01:53:00,613
Speaker 21: So many what's your body what's your body county?

2309
01:53:01,812 --> 01:53:07,692
Speaker 3: That's unfortunately none. I'm yet too, I'm hopeful. So the

2310
01:53:07,853 --> 01:53:09,253
Speaker 3: thing so the thing is.

2311
01:53:09,293 --> 01:53:11,572
Speaker 21: Was like if she really hits up and she's like,

2312
01:53:11,933 --> 01:53:13,492
Speaker 21: you got to tell me how many women are you

2313
01:53:13,532 --> 01:53:14,013
Speaker 21: being with her?

2314
01:53:14,053 --> 01:53:14,372
Speaker 5: Whatever?

2315
01:53:15,093 --> 01:53:18,932
Speaker 21: And and like if you see, oh, jeez, I don't know. Jeez,

2316
01:53:19,093 --> 01:53:19,852
Speaker 21: there's that pad.

2317
01:53:20,692 --> 01:53:22,893
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got to build THETT though, don't you.

2318
01:53:23,053 --> 01:53:26,053
Speaker 3: That's like, but you gotta ask yourself why if you're

2319
01:53:26,173 --> 01:53:29,293
Speaker 3: in a relationship, why are you asking that question? And

2320
01:53:29,853 --> 01:53:31,732
Speaker 3: maybe you shouldn't ask questions you don't want to know

2321
01:53:31,812 --> 01:53:32,333
Speaker 3: the answer to.

2322
01:53:32,973 --> 01:53:35,213
Speaker 21: If you know what I mean, I'm like, I know

2323
01:53:35,253 --> 01:53:38,333
Speaker 21: you used to work for Kinask magazine. I don't need

2324
01:53:38,333 --> 01:53:42,253
Speaker 21: to know anymore. I don't need to detail.

2325
01:53:43,612 --> 01:53:46,732
Speaker 2: Josh, Thank you very much, mate, Josh, all right, but

2326
01:53:46,812 --> 01:53:48,532
Speaker 2: what do you need to know that as well? You know,

2327
01:53:48,572 --> 01:53:50,532
Speaker 2: what does it matter? What is the body I mean

2328
01:53:50,532 --> 01:53:52,013
Speaker 2: body count such a crest way to put it.

2329
01:53:52,053 --> 01:53:55,932
Speaker 3: But well, I guess there's there's some people that it's

2330
01:53:55,933 --> 01:53:58,812
Speaker 3: a problem for some some dudes. I guess they I

2331
01:53:58,853 --> 01:53:59,173
Speaker 3: don't know.

2332
01:53:59,692 --> 01:54:03,412
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad I don't have to date. In today's

2333
01:54:03,412 --> 01:54:05,412
Speaker 2: well the openly question on a on a tender date

2334
01:54:05,532 --> 01:54:06,333
Speaker 2: was your body count?

2335
01:54:06,652 --> 01:54:10,293
Speaker 3: Geez, I think that I think that you're out. You're

2336
01:54:10,333 --> 01:54:11,213
Speaker 3: out the door at that point.

2337
01:54:11,253 --> 01:54:13,173
Speaker 2: All right, Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty C.

2338
01:54:13,492 --> 01:54:16,173
Speaker 2: Number to call it is eight to four. You listening

2339
01:54:16,173 --> 01:54:17,173
Speaker 2: to Matton Tyler.

2340
01:54:18,213 --> 01:54:21,692
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

2341
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2344
01:54:32,973 --> 01:54:35,772
Speaker 3: We've been talking about levels of honesty in your life.

2345
01:54:36,053 --> 01:54:38,333
Speaker 3: Here's text on nineteen nine two. Hey guys, I've just

2346
01:54:38,413 --> 01:54:40,373
Speaker 3: done the coast to coast this weekend, and there was

2347
01:54:40,453 --> 01:54:42,453
Speaker 3: no way I told my wife what the event and

2348
01:54:42,533 --> 01:54:45,253
Speaker 3: gear cost. I just told her I spray painted one

2349
01:54:45,253 --> 01:54:48,373
Speaker 3: of my bikes when she asked if I had bought another.

2350
01:54:48,772 --> 01:54:51,852
Speaker 3: It's not a lie. It's a side step, cheers Nigel.

2351
01:54:51,933 --> 01:54:56,453
Speaker 3: That's a lie, that's all, so, she says. I told

2352
01:54:56,493 --> 01:54:58,373
Speaker 3: her I spray painted one of my bikes, but I'd

2353
01:54:58,373 --> 01:55:00,533
Speaker 3: bought another one. I think that's a straight.

2354
01:55:00,373 --> 01:55:02,812
Speaker 2: Up lie that's going to bite you in the barb Nigel,

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Speaker 2: You're you're a good man, but that's going to come

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Speaker 2: back to haunt you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of dudes tixting through saying that

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Speaker 3: they do have a problem with body count.

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Speaker 14: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, it's a been a fantastic chat, Cameron says Matt.

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Speaker 3: I'm more upset with you that you didn't get me

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Speaker 3: anything from Meccas, some nuggets or a Sunday never.

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Speaker 2: Got a real crime. That's what Tracy should have been

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Speaker 2: upset about.

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Speaker 3: It ought to be fair, Cameron. Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: You would have been a lot.

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Speaker 2: That was an emotional forty five minutes. That was a

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Speaker 2: good chat. But yeah, So to wrap it all up,

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Speaker 2: I mean, should you have lied about the Meccas or not?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, face up to it, don't lie about it. Just

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Speaker 3: eat the Meccas in the house, or if you're gonna

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Speaker 3: have a diet then just stick to it or admit

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Speaker 3: that you've failed so that they have the full information

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Speaker 3: around what you're doing. So I think honesty is the

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Speaker 3: best policy. Come on, Kiwis, give them a taste of

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Speaker 3: the cold, hard truths.

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Speaker 23: The same you can.

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Speaker 20: Ring No Way.

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