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Speaker 1: By buckle up. Looks like I might agree with the

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Speaker 1: Trade Union. Yes, CTU policy director Craig Rennie is worried

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Speaker 1: about the same thing I'm worried about, and I think

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Speaker 1: he's right to be worried. What he's worried about is

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Speaker 1: the possibility that we will become a net exporter of population. Oh,

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Speaker 1: the irony as an exporting nation, as we've just been

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Speaker 1: talking about with the apples on the one of the

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Speaker 1: growth industries. As it turns out to people, we're exporting people.

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Speaker 1: If you follow the migration story these past couple of years,

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Speaker 1: couple of large and some would argue alarming things have happened.

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Speaker 1: One a huge number of people have arrived. Two a

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Speaker 1: huge number of people have left. Things are sort of

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Speaker 1: starting to settle. The arrival numbers are tailing off, but

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Speaker 1: the departure numbers, although not breaking the records they were,

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Speaker 1: are still large. The key part of that numeric equation

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Speaker 1: is we're at a tipping point. It is more than

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Speaker 1: possible that if the arrival numbers drop just a little

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Speaker 1: bit more but the departure numbers don't, we will have

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Speaker 1: more people leaving than arriving. We will be a net

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Speaker 1: exporter of people. The really scary thing about that is

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Speaker 1: more than about maths. Who people You know? One in

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Speaker 1: one out isn't an and of itself a good thing.

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Speaker 1: Of the out is a brain surgeon, and the inn

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Speaker 1: is an uber driver. The overall picture, a shrinking population

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Speaker 1: is a disaster because for every person who thought too

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Speaker 1: many arrived and they had no houses in that whole debate,

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Speaker 1: having a shrinking population is as bad, if not worse, reputationally.

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Speaker 1: It's catastrophic the country no one wants to live and

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Speaker 1: think about it not normally a portrait of a robust, successful,

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Speaker 1: prosperous nation. Is it. What it says is those looking

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Speaker 1: to move here don't fancy it. They pick somewhere else. Meantime,

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Speaker 1: those already here looked to leave for brighten, more appealing pastures.

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Speaker 1: We are the ugly girl in the corner of the

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Speaker 1: school dance. It's a reminder, as if we needed it,

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Speaker 1: that this country has a series of problems the size

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Speaker 1: and severity that we have not faced in many a

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