1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: Large law enforcement gathering in the North. New Zealand's hosting 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: the Pacific Islands Chiefs of Police Conference INTERPOLS here, which 3 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: is interesting and also our deportation policy apparently is an 4 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:12,040 Speaker 1: issue with the suggestion it could be driving up transnational 5 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: crime across the Pacific. Richard Chambers as the Police Commissioner 6 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: and is with us. 7 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:18,120 Speaker 2: Richard, morning to you, Good morning Mike. 8 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: INTERPOL being here, is that a big deal and the 9 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 1: chances I'm told of them setting up a base in 10 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 1: the region. 11 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 2: Yes, it It is a big deal actually for us 12 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 2: here in the Pacific region. To have the Secretary General 13 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 2: Valvizia Kisa here for the first time attending the Pacific 14 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 2: Island Chiefs of Police meeting is important for our region. 15 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 2: So he's been able to participate in the conversations and 16 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 2: we've all been able to share the challenges that we have, 17 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 2: you know what's on the horizon. Say, he's very very 18 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 2: keen to set up a regional bureau in the Pacific 19 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 2: and all the chiefs here are supportive of that. 20 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: Is it done for the wrong reasons that they set 21 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: up a base and we've got the FBI as well 22 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: as that tell us what a troubled world. 23 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 2: It is no no, no interpoles. About one hundred ninety 24 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 2: six countries that are members, and of the twenty two 25 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 2: Pacific chiefs that are here, thirteen are already members. And 26 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 2: by joining up with INTIPOL, it gives access to information, 27 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 2: intelligence and capabilities that can help us in law enforcement. 28 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 2: So it's a good thing. It's a good thing for 29 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 2: our region. But ultimately it's driven by the membership by 30 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 2: the countries that are here, So it's not about INTEPOL 31 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 2: coming in and posing themselves. It's about us driving the opportunity. 32 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 1: So this specific claim that we deport people and they 33 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: then go on to be criminals of an organized nature, 34 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: how true is that? 35 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 2: Well, if deportations are not new and you know even 36 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 2: here in New Zealand five oh one from Australia, we've 37 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:42,759 Speaker 2: seen the impact of that, and there hasn't been conversation 38 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 2: over the last few days about the impact of that 39 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 2: from New Zealand, but there has been a little bit 40 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 2: of conversation about some policies and other countries and how 41 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 2: that may impact on nations. So it's a very real 42 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 2: challenge for all of us, and we've seen that here 43 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 2: in our country as well. 44 00:01:57,560 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: Is it a circular thing? So the firebo ones come here, 45 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: we deport some Polynesians back to Polynesia, et cetera, and 46 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: so we're just getting rid of each other's problems. 47 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,519 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, in law enforcement, our jobs is to 48 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 2: enforce the law and the policies that our countries have. 49 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 2: You know, police are going to have fallen behind that 50 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 2: and do its things. So I mean, of course, you know, 51 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 2: there are reasons why people are being deported, and some 52 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 2: of that can impact on the country, but you know, 53 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 2: it's about nationals going back to you know, the countries 54 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 2: to which they belong, and that is not a new 55 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,079 Speaker 2: challenge for any country. We've seen it here, so it 56 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 2: can come with as challenges, but it's not a new 57 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:34,519 Speaker 2: thing either. 58 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: As regards specific crime and its issue. Here are customs involved, 59 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: the airports, all of those sort of people where the 60 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 1: borders involved. 61 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 2: Oh absolutely my case. You know, police have a mar 62 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 2: us a big job to do, and we do a 63 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 2: marvel's job, but we can't do it on our own 64 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 2: and we work very closely with customs and immigration and 65 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 2: you know, not not only in our own country but 66 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 2: offshore as well. I mean, our focus over the last 67 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 2: few days has been all about safety and security in 68 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 2: the Pacific region and talking about what the challenges are 69 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 2: that we will face. And three big things that have 70 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 2: come out of that is global tension and how that 71 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 2: impacts on us down here in the Southern hemisphere, transnational 72 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 2: organized crime and also you know what our role is, 73 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 2: whether it's in New Zealand, Australia or other partners about 74 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 2: upskilling and training and supporting our Pacific colleagues. That's where 75 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 2: the conversation has been over the last few days and 76 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 2: it's been very productive of last day today. 77 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: Good stuff go well, appreciate it very much. Richard Chambers, 78 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: who's the police commissioner. You had a very good piece 79 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: in the paper the other day. There's sort of a 80 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: road trip series going on in the here at the moment. 81 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: This is bloke who's lived in France. He goes one 82 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: of the things we've learned is you don't know how 83 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: lucky we are in this particular part of the world, 84 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: which is always encouraging to read, isn't it. For more 85 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to news talks. 86 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: It'd be from six am weekdays, or follow the podcast 87 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio.