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Speaker 1: The breakfast show you can trust the Mic Hosking Breakfast

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Speaker 1: with Bailey's Real Estate, your local experts across residential, commercial

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Speaker 1: and rural news togs had been.

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Speaker 2: Adding and welcome today the free strike to Agine gets titans.

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Speaker 2: We're fast tracking more medical people. Are motar is back,

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Speaker 2: but not in a good way. I'm afraid the PM

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Speaker 2: pops and are Stephen Frye pops in? After eight? Catherine

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Speaker 2: Field has the French staff, and Roderick Little covers the

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Speaker 2: Mighty UK for us Husking. Here we go for a

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Speaker 2: Tuesday morning at seven past six. A question for you?

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Speaker 2: Is there too much self interest in the Auckland Airport

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Speaker 2: upset over increased visitor levy fees? Auckland Airport bosses worried

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Speaker 2: about flat line tourism spending That was your headline yesterday?

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Speaker 2: Are they? Why now? Why not last year or the

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Speaker 2: year before that? Why not went on this program? For

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Speaker 2: over two years now, we've been crying out for someone

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Speaker 2: to listen to the fact that it was becoming increasingly

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Speaker 2: clear that we had managed to butcher our second or

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Speaker 2: first biggest foreign income earner. For years it was dairy tourism, tourism,

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Speaker 2: dairy back and forth dueling for the title of the

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Speaker 2: biggest foreign income earner for this country. Where were they then?

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Speaker 2: A small irony? Also, if the airport are worried about

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Speaker 2: increased charges, ask the airlines whether the airport has shown

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Speaker 2: the same concern over their charges to fund their expansion anyway.

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Speaker 2: Is the airport worried about tourism because we should all

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Speaker 2: be worried about tourism, or is the airport worried about

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Speaker 2: tourism because it affects their bottom line and ability to

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Speaker 2: funnel money back to the shareholders and are worrying about

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Speaker 2: the visitor levy? Is that something that genuinely affects tourism

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Speaker 2: numbers anyway, or simply a scapegoat for much larger problems.

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Speaker 2: I would argue the latter. Yes, any increased cost is

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Speaker 2: to be avoided if we can. But when you're coming

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Speaker 2: to New Zealand from London or Washington or Beijing, another

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Speaker 2: seventy bucks isn't going to break you. And if it

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Speaker 2: is the difference, you wouldn't be traveling long Hall in

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Speaker 2: the first place. The real issue is New Zealand inc.

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Speaker 2: The closed borders, lack of international contact, our inability post

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Speaker 2: COVID to get out there effectively enough and hustle. Nothing

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Speaker 2: is more expensive if you want to look at travel

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Speaker 2: than London, Paris, New York, or the med in the

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Speaker 2: peak of the European or northern summer. But people and

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Speaker 2: they pay, and their stats aren't our stats. Not to

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Speaker 2: mention our dollar makes everything cheaper anyway, The cold hard

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Speaker 2: truth is our fundamentals aren't right, our settings are off.

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Speaker 2: Our reputation is in need of major repair, if not overhauled.

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Speaker 2: Worry about seventy bucks is to miss the point.

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Speaker 1: News of the world in ninety seconds.

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Speaker 2: Well, they've been voting in Moldova. Two things to think about.

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Speaker 2: We've got a presidential race and whether to join the.

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Speaker 3: EU hunble to thirty thousand Moldovan voters got bank cards

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Speaker 3: are from Russians banks, and they were paid through these

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Speaker 3: cards to vote in a way that was demanded by

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Speaker 3: Russian supported candidates.

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Speaker 2: And only cards exactly. And so that's why it's suspicious

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Speaker 2: our crunch the numbers for you in mind, but also

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Speaker 2: voting are those particularly eager. In the u United States

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Speaker 2: of America, the Dems have worked out their policies aren't

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Speaker 2: hitting home, so they're now resorting to trying to freak

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Speaker 2: the voter out.

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Speaker 4: He's becoming increasingly unstable and unhinged. I think the American

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Speaker 4: people are seeing it, witnessing in real time, and I

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Speaker 4: think the American people deserve better than someone who acts

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Speaker 4: actually seems to be unstable.

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Speaker 2: If you're an NFL fan and you watch Pittsburgh take

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Speaker 2: on New York yesterday, and New York played abysmally, but

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Speaker 2: that's another anyway, you might have heard this small clue

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Speaker 2: that's not for Harris. The war the Israelis aren't finished

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Speaker 2: with by route yet.

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Speaker 5: The force of the explosion has completely pancaked this building.

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Speaker 5: Now in the upper levels you can see people's possessions.

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Speaker 5: I'm seeing a kitchen cupboard, a washing machine, even the

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Speaker 2: And an Australia, the King was out and about.

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Speaker 6: In my many visits to Australia, I have witnessed the

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Speaker 6: courage and hope that have guided the nations long and

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Speaker 6: sometimes difficult journey towards reconciliation.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, so were some of the lower hanging fruit from

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Speaker 2: the Parliament.

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Speaker 7: Calling Global Truth, telling about the royals who cause so

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Speaker 7: much devastation to not only our people in this country,

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Speaker 2: Brian Late pediatricians are worried teenagers are consuming too many supplements.

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Speaker 2: We've got some new numbers from the US National Upholes

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Speaker 2: revealed forty percent of them they're taking protein supplements, boys

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Speaker 2: more likely than girls. Of the forty six percent of

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Speaker 2: boys who were taking them, more than half said it

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Speaker 2: saying that it's really advised that teams need any form

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Speaker 2: of dehydration and kidney issues. And that is news of

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Speaker 2: the world. In ninety seconds, China, we can't stop talking

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Speaker 2: about China. Another twenty five points. People's Bank of China

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Speaker 2: one year loan prime rate down to three point one,

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Speaker 2: five year LPR trim to three point six. The one

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Speaker 2: year influences the corporate loans and a lot of household loans.

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Speaker 2: The five year does the mortgages, so it's not like

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Speaker 2: they're not trying. Twelve past six.

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Speaker 2: Yes, mold over fascinating. So two bots, one for the presidency.

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Speaker 2: There is the claim of interference from the Russians. The

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Speaker 2: Russians not particularly keen on the Moldomens joining the EU,

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Speaker 2: of course, so they're going to a second round and

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Speaker 2: the presidential race because it's one of those if you

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Speaker 2: don't get fifty percent, you go again. Then when it

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Speaker 2: so some question mark's ober where that goes. So we'll

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Speaker 2: talk to Catherine about that. In half an hour's time.

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Speaker 2: Fourteen passes, they haven't funds management. Greg Smith, morning to you.

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Speaker 2: More into Mike, Glad you raised this because this fascinates me.

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Speaker 2: So we're going to need to get over our fixation

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Speaker 2: in this country with our attitude to you the old

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Speaker 2: nuclear because if you look at Amazon and Google and Microsoft,

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Speaker 2: this is the future. And if you want to run

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Speaker 2: have to go, isn't it.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, that's right. I'm sending a big signal. See look

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Speaker 8: And say, look the typical Google search, it con chums

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Speaker 8: three Mile Island in Pennsylvania and that's set to reopen

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Speaker 8: Constallation Energy, They've got the largest fleet of reactors in

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Speaker 2: Yes, indeed. And then we come to Genesis, which is interesting.

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Speaker 8: What was their update, Well, their update was was a

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Speaker 2: All right, give me some numbers.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, okay, So the use inders have actually stepped back

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Speaker 8: The Dow is down point eight percent four nine four nine,

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Speaker 2: Still feeling awfully good about what Liam Lawson did in

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Speaker 2: Austin this time Yesterday started nineteenth as I'm sure you

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean it was cool, it was cool.

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Speaker 12: It's obviously there's been a lot of talk coming into

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Speaker 2: We're really mate. It was Christian Horner who had just

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Speaker 13: It's a sample of one, and I think I thought

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Speaker 2: Trying to work out whether I'm interested in consultants. The

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Speaker 2: We're spending well, we are spending less. Overall. We've gone

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Speaker 2: on consultants as well. Crowned Law and the Independent Children's

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Speaker 2: Monitor are all spending more. Social House the Prime Minister

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Speaker 2: about this in a hour's time, twenty three minutes away

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Speaker 2: from seven Muldover. And the importance of Moldover is whether

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Speaker 2: Russia interfered with the election, because Georgia, which is also

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Speaker 2: Catherine Field all over this and so we'll come for

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Speaker 2: that in shortly means on back home. First of the

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Speaker 2: seventeen major roading projects is underway. Roads of National Significance,

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Speaker 2: going to go from two to four lanes. The Hawksbay

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Speaker 2: Chamber of Commerce CEO Calor Leeds with us Carla.

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Speaker 14: Morning, Good morning Mike.

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Speaker 15: How are you very well?

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Speaker 2: Indeed? I love a road. Do you love a road?

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Speaker 16: I do love a road.

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Speaker 2: I've driven. There's one north of Auckland. Have you driven

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Speaker 2: the north of Auckland to pooh Hoy? The new road there?

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Speaker 2: The road of National significance?

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Speaker 1: Or no?

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Speaker 16: I haven't.

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Speaker 2: No, it's life changing, believing it is. It's literally you're

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Speaker 2: on that road and you're thinking, God, I wish we'd

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Speaker 2: done this twenty years ago. My life is so much

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Speaker 2: easier because of it. That's what you're in for in

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Speaker 2: the Hawks Bay.

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Speaker 16: Oh, I can't wait.

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Speaker 2: It's exciting. What's the vibe in the area.

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Speaker 16: Oh, we are all very excited about this road going.

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Speaker 16: This has been a really long time coming and it

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Speaker 16: has been hard going through that expressway. I personally drive

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Speaker 16: it every single day. So it's going to make a

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Speaker 2: For people who have not been on it. When they

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Speaker 16: No passa use by. It is not an expressway at all.

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Speaker 16: That word should not be used for that road. It

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Speaker 16: is quite the opposite, especially at peak times, and it's

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Speaker 2: I was going to say, so unique set of circumstances

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Speaker 16: Absolutely, we were reminded that we aren't as resilient as

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Speaker 2: Again, what sort of use is the road getting for

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Speaker 2: people who have not used it? Is this will improve

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Speaker 16: It's both. It actually spans across many things, so a

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Speaker 16: lot of tracks come through there to go to our port,

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Speaker 16: which is incredibly important for our freight. But our commuters

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Speaker 2: Huge, fantastic. What's the vibe in the bay given I've got.

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Speaker 16: You, Oh, the vibe in the bay. We are really

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Speaker 2: Very good to hear. Kinda go well with a Karla Lee,

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Speaker 2: who is the Hawk's Bay Chamber of Commerce CEO, twenty

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Speaker 2: yesterday we got the list of who's earning the most.

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Speaker 2: It is, of course, the Public Service Commission that earns

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Speaker 2: third is the very new David Seymour Ministry of Regulation,

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Speaker 2: forty eight thousand, eight hundred dollars. Does this bother you?

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Speaker 2: Is this another thing I should be raising with the

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Speaker 2: including the bioluminescent Plankton on Vero Beach, Florida, A Ballet

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Speaker 2: of Cranes and Hakaido, Japan and witnessing the Northern Lights

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Speaker 2: in Lapland, Finland. Expedia dot co dot Nz search the

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Speaker 2: Unpacked travel trends and see what's hot in travelsk it.

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Speaker 2: Mike doesn't bother me. If you want the level of

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Speaker 2: capability found in the private sector, you need to pay

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Speaker 2: for it. That's why I raised it. It's very easy

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Speaker 2: to sort of pack on that sort of thing in

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Speaker 2: all that sort of stuff, so I'm just getting a

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Speaker 2: feel for it. Will the new hawks By Expressway might

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Speaker 2: be a toll road. Probably are not made an announcement officially,

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Speaker 2: but they have hinted strongly enough. I suspect that somebody's

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Speaker 2: going to pay for it, and we don't have any money,

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Speaker 2: so it's probably going to Most of the national roads

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Speaker 2: of significance are going to end up that way. Six

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Speaker 2: to forty five International correspondence with ends in Eye Insurance,

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Speaker 2: Peace of Mind for New Zealand Business in France. Catainfield

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Speaker 2: A very good morning to you.

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Speaker 18: Good morning mate.

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Speaker 2: So muld over the two votes one for the president,

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Speaker 2: they're going to have to go again and the other

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Speaker 2: one for this joining the EU thing. How much is

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Speaker 2: Russia involved and how worried are we that Russia's potentially involved.

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Speaker 18: We are worried, and it comes at a time when

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Speaker 18: there's just really is no good news coming from the

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Speaker 18: East of Europe. Yes, it is pretty much being said

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Speaker 18: openly here now that Russia was very heavily evolved in

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Speaker 18: disinformation and possibly even vote buying and to influence not

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Speaker 18: just this referendum on closer tied to the European Union,

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Speaker 18: but also in the presidential election. It had been assumed

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Speaker 18: that the incumbent president that she would get a second term.

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Speaker 15: She didn't.

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Speaker 18: She fell well short of that, got only forty two percent.

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Speaker 18: And this means she now goes up against the pro

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Speaker 18: Russian socialist candidate who campaigns in Russian, who really appeals

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Speaker 18: to the Russians in Moldova. Extraordinary that we're talking about

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Speaker 18: the small, landlocked country might two point six million people,

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Speaker 18: but it's where it is so strategic. It's because it's

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Speaker 18: sort of sandwiched there in between Romania and also to Ukraine,

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Speaker 18: and the real fear is that if Russia gets more

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Speaker 18: of a foothold there, then it really does not only

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Speaker 18: seem as though Russia's closer to NATO's border because it

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Speaker 18: would be on the other side of Ukraine, if you like,

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Speaker 18: but also would mean that there would be that great

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Speaker 18: stretch of Russian occupied territory coming right through across from

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Speaker 18: Crimea right up to the Romanian border.

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Speaker 2: Jeez, it's interesting geopolitically at the moment, which does I

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Speaker 2: suppose to I've tail into this business of North Korea.

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Speaker 2: Are the North Koreans rolling into Ukraine to fight on

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Speaker 2: behalf of the Russians or not?

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Speaker 18: A good question, Mike. The South Korean National Intelligence Service

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Speaker 18: says that around fifteen hundred special troops from North Korea

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Speaker 18: have gone to Russia.

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Speaker 14: Now.

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Speaker 18: The reason that they have gone is because, let's not

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Speaker 18: forget about a month or so ago, Russia and North

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Speaker 18: Korea signed a partnership treaty which includes military assistance of

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Speaker 18: either country is attacked. So what we're hearing from the

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Speaker 18: Ukrainian side is, boy, there better not be because this

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Speaker 18: would take everything to another level of escalation. It would

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Speaker 18: not just violate you in resolutions, it would not as

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Speaker 18: violate international law, but it would escalate it even further

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Speaker 18: because it would mean that there are growing military cooperation

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Speaker 18: from outside the region. It would also mean there's more

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Speaker 18: arms transfer and actually soldiers' boots on the ground. So

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Speaker 18: the concern is will they be sent to Ukraine. Well,

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Speaker 18: it could be that they would just go and defend

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Speaker 18: that Russian border region which is to the east of Ukraine,

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Speaker 18: which Ukraine is firing missiles into all the time. Would

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Speaker 18: those North Koreans be going there to train or to fight?

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Speaker 18: There have been some North Korean offices seen in the

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Speaker 18: east of Ukraine, but there's nothing like that large number

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Speaker 18: of actual troops there. But certainly this is the big

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Speaker 18: concern at the moment, is that this would widen the

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Speaker 18: conflicts so be so much that you know, where do

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Speaker 18: you go from here exactly?

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you're following this at all, but

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Speaker 2: I'm semi fascinated this Bricks meeting that starts today in Russia,

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Speaker 2: hosted by Russia and Putna noted the other day said

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Speaker 2: most of the world's christ coming out of the Bricks organization.

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Speaker 2: I mean, do you guys sit in Europe wonder about

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Speaker 2: all of this? And they seem to be growing And

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Speaker 2: then the North Koreans are involved and the war's gone

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Speaker 2: on for years now, and Trump might win the election

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Speaker 2: and that's the end of the money. I mean, there's

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Speaker 2: a lot to think about.

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Speaker 18: There is a lot to think about. Yes, we have

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Speaker 18: heard in the last last couple of weeks that there

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Speaker 18: is a special unit now being set up in a

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Speaker 18: sort of London Lions office the head of the European

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Speaker 18: Commission this what do we do if Trump has re

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Speaker 18: elected that learn lessons from the past, build everything up.

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Speaker 18: I think what a lot of people are talking about here,

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Speaker 18: Mike is and now it finally is being said that

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Speaker 18: there is a Cold War II now happening, and you

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Speaker 18: can't you can't just hide it away anymore. That we're

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Speaker 18: right back to where we were in the sixties, where

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Speaker 18: you've got these two big blocks. The difference, of course is, Mike,

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Speaker 18: are the other players in the neighborhood. Now you've got China,

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Speaker 18: You've got North Korea, You've got these countries that have

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Speaker 18: got mini more weapons that we saw in the in

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Speaker 18: the first Cold War, and they're also looking at areas

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Speaker 18: much further away. You hear all the time here now

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Speaker 18: all the time people talking about Taiwan. Is Taiwan going

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Speaker 18: to to be the flashpoint? Is it going to be

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Speaker 18: what Berlin was in the First Cold War? Is that

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Speaker 18: what Taiwan is going to bee?

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Speaker 2: Is that interesting? All right? Nice to talk to Catherine.

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Speaker 2: Go well, catch up next week. Catherine Field in front

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Speaker 2: and my ongoing fascination with India. We are desperate to

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Speaker 2: do business with India, I mean not China's bad enough

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Speaker 2: at the moment. China's at the bricks meeting, and India

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Speaker 2: is at the bricks meeting, and we can't fall over

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Speaker 2: ourselves enough to do business with India for obvious reasons.

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Speaker 2: And yet they're sitting there in the middle of Russia.

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Speaker 2: So on, completely the opposite side to us. Speaking of which,

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Speaker 2: Assange's father, who's at the bricks meeting in Russia. Assange's

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Speaker 2: father says, he's grateful to putin for the long standings

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Speaker 2: of for all you lovies who loved Julian Assange. He's

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Speaker 2: grateful to putin for the long standing support of the

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Speaker 2: son and his ongoing persecution by Western authorities. As a

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Speaker 2: John Shipton rived in Moscow Sunday for the bricks meeting,

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Speaker 2: Putin was the quote unquote the first head of state

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Speaker 2: to defend Julian's interests. Just the sort of person you

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Speaker 2: want on your site. Nine away from seven.

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Speaker 1: On my costing Breakfast with al Vida Retirement Communities News, togs.

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Speaker 2: Hed be like, Nope, I don't think those wages of

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Speaker 2: the public servants are out of step with where they

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Speaker 2: should be. Most of those positions will need to be

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Speaker 2: held with university degrees. If I had agree, I would

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Speaker 2: expect one hundred thousand dollars. I think there's probably fair enough.

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Speaker 2: By the way, speaking of universities, there's a growing angst

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Speaker 2: at the moment of the number of people applying to

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Speaker 2: go to university in terms of halls and residents and

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Speaker 2: stuff and missing out. So I'll come back to that

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Speaker 2: later on in the program. Mike, how many public servants

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Speaker 2: get paid more than MPs? My guess is thousands? Are

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Speaker 2: I think you guess would be wrong. It would be hundreds,

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Speaker 2: but certainly not thousands, which doesn't seem right. Surely members

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Speaker 2: of Parliament should be at the top of the public

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Speaker 2: salary tree. Why because they're so brilliant, Because they are

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Speaker 2: little individual pieces of genius that we can't pay enough.

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Speaker 2: I don't think so. Five minutes away from seven.

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Speaker 1: Well, the ins and the outs, it's the fizz with

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Speaker 1: business favor take your business productivity to the next level.

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Speaker 2: But some are idiots. According to the House of Travel

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Speaker 2: cooations are trending. We're just making up words these days.

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Speaker 2: Is this is what the travels as cool cations cool caations,

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Speaker 2: So that hashtag see it says, is that what it is.

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Speaker 2: You travel during the shoulder season, so that's the period

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Speaker 2: between peak and off, and you travel to places that

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Speaker 2: are cooler weather, fewer crowds, good deals. But for the

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Speaker 2: first time ever, callcations to Europe are expected to match

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Speaker 2: summer volumes of travel next year. Isn't it incredible? They're

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Speaker 2: already seeing a fourteen percent increase in caucation travel bookings

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Speaker 2: to Europe next year compared with this year. The numbers

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Speaker 2: up thirty six percent on twenty twenty three. They expected

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Speaker 2: to keep climbing as the ocr cuts fuel the travel demand.

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Speaker 2: The moment we get a bit more money.

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Speaker 11: Let's go somewhere.

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Speaker 2: Italy is the top caucation destination, followed by Spain and France.

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Speaker 2: In Spain, you'll be met at the airport by person

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Speaker 2: spraying you with a water pistol, saying go home, go home,

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Speaker 2: But you won't you'll go on your calcation. The majority

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Speaker 2: of us are also booking about nine months in advance

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Speaker 2: to take advantage of the early bird specials once we

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Speaker 2: land in Europe. What we like to do? No one

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Speaker 2: loves a river cruise more than a good old kei.

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Speaker 2: We callcation river cruise. And if we don't want a

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Speaker 2: river cruise, we want a small group tour. Sounds fun,

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Speaker 2: isn't it a with old Janis and Brian small group tour?

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Speaker 2: And if we don't want to do that, we want

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Speaker 2: a big ocean cruise. Walking and cycling is gaining and popularity.

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Speaker 2: We are so dynamic as a group, aren't we. We

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Speaker 2: go for a good walk in a cycle with Brian

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Speaker 2: and Janis in a small group tour on our calcation

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Speaker 2: before we hop on a river cruise. Caucation's the most

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Speaker 2: popular with boomers. No kidding, ha ha, no kidding.

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Speaker 11: Hashtag host take exactly if.

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Speaker 2: You're looking to enjoy a beach. The most bookings have

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Speaker 2: been to Croatia, followed by Greece and of course France.

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Speaker 2: So these you run there, caucation update and when you

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Speaker 2: say where you're going this year, don't use the word

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Speaker 2: ever again. Caucation are you going out of caucation. Don't

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Speaker 2: say that stuff because it makes you look rude. So

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Speaker 2: the business of well, the Prime Minister's coming in and

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Speaker 2: Stephen Frye after eight other methods after the news, which

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Speaker 2: is next.

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Speaker 1: Demanding the answers from the decision makers. The mic Hosking

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Speaker 1: breakfast with the range rover villa designed to intrigue can

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Speaker 1: use tog zed b.

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Speaker 2: It is seven past seventh morning. Change coming to the

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Speaker 2: three strikes rais human jails is going to be allowing

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Speaker 2: at the threshold entry point currently based around the two

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Speaker 2: year sentence that'll be have to won. The Law Association

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Speaker 2: Vice president Julian Kincaid's with us on this Julian morning

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Speaker 2: to you, good morning. Make you're disappointed? Will that be

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Speaker 2: a fair emmation of your view?

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Speaker 19: Very disappointed. We did make submissions to the committee about

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Speaker 19: the issues that we saw with the three strikes as

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Speaker 19: it was currently drafted prior to the United slant yesterday

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Speaker 19: by Nicola McKay. And this is just exascerbating a problem

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Speaker 19: that will exist anyway.

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Speaker 2: Is it the three strikes or is it the trigger point.

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Speaker 19: It's a combination of it all. First of all, there's

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Speaker 19: no evidence that this actually works in the way that

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Speaker 19: people want to work.

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Speaker 2: It's not a.

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Speaker 19: Deterrent and fortunately what we want all of us want

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Speaker 19: less crime and less serious crime. But this is actually

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Speaker 19: going to capture all sorts of people who shouldn't necessarily

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Speaker 19: be there. For example, sentencing is very nuanced and difficult,

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Speaker 19: and some people might be sent to jail simply because

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Speaker 19: they don't have a house in which they can do

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Speaker 19: an electronically monitored sentence. It will lead to unfair and

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Speaker 19: unjust outcomes.

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Speaker 2: Is it nuanced because they've made it nuanced, and it

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Speaker 2: doesn't have to be as nuanced as it is.

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Speaker 19: No sentencing must be nuanced. There are so many factors

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Speaker 19: in human beings that apply. We look first at the

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Speaker 19: offense always in sentencing, and the judge takes a starting

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Speaker 19: point based on the offense, and then they look at

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Speaker 19: factors that are unique to that offender. And there's a

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Speaker 19: balance that has to be performed with all sentences. And

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Speaker 19: it's complex, and that complexity might not always come across

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Speaker 19: in a newspaper article, which I think is where a

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Speaker 19: lot of the people who see problems get their information.

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Speaker 2: Those people have a vote as to you and this

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Speaker 2: is where we're at. We're at the intersection of public

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Speaker 2: opinion versus the legal fraternity, aren't we.

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Speaker 19: Yes, one would expect that any changes are based on evidence.

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Speaker 19: And if they seriously want there to be a difference

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Speaker 19: made to serious offending, they need to put more money

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Speaker 19: into mental health and other rehabilitation processes which help to

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Speaker 19: keep make sure, take away the causes of crime, and

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Speaker 19: that will impact on the people committing crimes.

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Speaker 2: True to say, if you're in jail, you don't commit crime.

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Speaker 19: Actually it's not true.

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Speaker 2: You're not breaking into my house while you're in jail.

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Speaker 19: No, you're not breaking into your house. But there are

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Speaker 19: other crimes that people commit allegedly at the moment, there's

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Speaker 19: a few cases before the courts whilst they're in jail.

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Speaker 19: That is not the issue. I'm also very very concerned

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Speaker 19: about the lack of parole. Parole is an incentive for

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Speaker 19: good behavior and it encourages people, incentivises them to do

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Speaker 19: engage with psychology, just and take programs, understand the trigger points.

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Speaker 19: And this under this regime, the most serious offenders will

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Speaker 19: be not allowed any parole, they won't be given any rehabilitation.

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Speaker 19: We can say that now and then they'll be chucked

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Speaker 19: out on the street without this strong support that parole

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Speaker 19: the parole system puts around people to make sure they

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Speaker 19: transition back.

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Speaker 14: Into our society.

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Speaker 19: This is actually going to achieve exactly the opposite of

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Speaker 19: what they want to achieve, and that's what concerns us.

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Speaker 2: Julien kN Kay, appreciate your time very much, Mike. We

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Speaker 2: don't want a deterrent. We want more bad people in

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Speaker 2: prison for longer.

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Speaker 20: Mike.

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Speaker 2: The reason we have so many recidibus criminals is because

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Speaker 2: of that defense lawyer're making excuses for them and why

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Speaker 2: they offend. And so neither party shall agree. Ten minutes

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Speaker 2: past seven, tasking another chapter in the convoluted, highly confusing

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Speaker 2: world of medical jobs. From next month, applications for certain

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Speaker 2: roles from certain countries will be fast tracked, the targets

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Speaker 2: twenty days. Australia has just implemented a similar policy last week.

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Speaker 2: Royal New Zealand College of GP's president Cement the Mettens

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Speaker 2: will a Samantha morning.

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Speaker 14: To you, good morning.

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Speaker 2: How are you are we paying basic wells? Are we

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Speaker 2: basically playing catch up with Australia?

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Speaker 21: Yeah?

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Speaker 14: Well, the conversations about this have gone on synchronously, so

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Speaker 14: we knew that they were doing the same sort of

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Speaker 14: thing that we also were doing, and we do work

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Speaker 14: sort of hand in hand.

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Speaker 2: It's not ketch up, right are we actually do we

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Speaker 2: have any jobs? It's just last time I looked, there

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Speaker 2: was about a thousand nurses that turned up in the

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Speaker 2: country and that couldn't find a job. It seems to

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Speaker 2: be a convoluted mess.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, and complex is exactly what health is. I think

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Speaker 14: we do have jobs in certain areas, and so in

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Speaker 14: general practice, there are plenty of roles available. In psychiatry,

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Speaker 14: there are in some of the antcevitics. There's plenty of

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Speaker 14: jobs available. So it's just a matter of being able

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Speaker 14: to have someone who's coming, not wait for months on

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Speaker 14: ends to get your registration.

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Speaker 2: So it's in a hospital, I need an anesthetist, there's

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Speaker 2: one in Australia and Sydney wants to move. So in

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Speaker 2: other words, what we're tidying up here is the joining

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Speaker 2: of the dots and the paperwork, and we're going to

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Speaker 2: get that done more efficiently. So there is a job,

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Speaker 2: there is a person. We're just doing better administration.

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Speaker 14: Yes, it is a much better administration.

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Speaker 2: How is it possible that we're sitting here in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four having this conversation. We didn't do this about

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Speaker 2: I don't know one hundred years ago.

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Speaker 14: I think the thing about medicine is we want people

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Speaker 14: to come in to our services that are safe, and

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Speaker 14: we have slowly got better and better systems at looking

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Speaker 14: at each other's clinicians and saying, yes, this is what

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Speaker 14: safety looks like for a commission clinician. We can have

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Speaker 14: it on paper, but it doesn't mean that that person's

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Speaker 14: not a rogue. And so the joined upness of the

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Speaker 14: Medical Council's globally has started to happen. So it helps

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Speaker 14: a lot for us to know exactly what other jurisdictions

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Speaker 14: are doing so that we know what we're getting when

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Speaker 14: they come in.

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Speaker 2: Are we attractive?

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Speaker 14: We're attracted because we're a great country and we are

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Speaker 14: a little way away but much better than some political

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Speaker 14: environments that other people live in, and so there are

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Speaker 14: a lot of people who do want to come. And

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Speaker 14: we have forty one percent of our medical professions are

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Speaker 14: overseas graduates, so we do attract a lot. Good hid yeah, good,

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Speaker 14: but positive.

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Speaker 2: I almost had a health and positive conversation there were here, Samantha,

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Speaker 2: So that worked out well, Samantha Merton, Royal College of GPS,

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Speaker 2: because I am worried about the health system the way

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Speaker 2: it doesn't seem to be functioning at the moment. Thirteen

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Speaker 2: minutes past seven sea, should we all be speaking of

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Speaker 2: jobs training? Job applications are up thirty let's call it

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Speaker 2: thirty five percent, thirty four point eight thirty five percent

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Speaker 2: in the July to September quarter. So the applications are up,

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Speaker 2: the listings are down. So while the applications are up

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Speaker 2: thirty four percent, the listening to down thirty eight. Fresh

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Speaker 2: material coming to you this morning. Agriculture, fishing and forestry

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Speaker 2: is where the worker is up ten percent. Government and Council.

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Speaker 2: I'm disturbed to read that they need more people, but

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Speaker 2: that's up five point six percent. Hospitality and tourism up

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Speaker 2: two point six percent. Regionally, six of the fifteen regions

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Speaker 2: are going up. Good West Coast booming up twelve, o Tigo, five, Nelson, Tasman,

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Speaker 2: four South and four North, three, Taranaki two and a half,

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Speaker 2: Auckland and Wellington basket cases, the capital down nine and

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Speaker 2: a half. Auckland fell. It's called thirteen so the regions

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Speaker 2: is where the action is fourteen pasted the like.

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Speaker 1: Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio, Howard By News

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Speaker 1: Talks at be.

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Speaker 2: US Talks have Stephen fried by the way after right,

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Speaker 2: Christopher Luxon in a couple of moments seventeen past seven,

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Speaker 2: are you remember ire Motel, Fletcher Building's occupation Adern and

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Speaker 2: Willie Jackson's intervention Since then, Well crickets. As it turns out,

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Speaker 2: we've got new documents from the Marray Development Minister's office

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Speaker 2: shows a group that was supposed to get it sorted

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Speaker 2: obviously hasn't and the bill for not really doing much

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Speaker 2: as half a million dollars and climbing a former treaty negotiations.

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Speaker 2: Minister Chris Finlason back with us. Chris, morning to you,

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Speaker 2: good morning. Where should this go?

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Speaker 15: Well, I'd fire the lot of them immediately because the

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Speaker 15: hopeless effect they qualify to be Wellington City councilors. And

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Speaker 15: then what I would do is talk to muk Honick

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Speaker 15: of Naetimado Heiri. He and Rick Kane worked together on

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Speaker 15: the Ti golf Course development. You could develop a beautiful

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Speaker 15: golf course there. You could get took a Morgan to

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Speaker 15: build one of his hotels opportunities for employment for young people.

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Speaker 15: It's not a new idea. I colloated it with Duncan

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Speaker 15: of Art four years ago on his Breakfast program.

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Speaker 2: And why then hasn't that happened? Seeing it's such a

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Speaker 2: piece of genius, Chris.

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Speaker 15: Because some people all are capable of doing is talking

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Speaker 15: and talking incessantly and pulling in a P A DNC.

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Speaker 2: And so what is it this group? When you set

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Speaker 2: up a group like this, are they supposed to have

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Speaker 2: some meetings very now and again report back to a

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Speaker 2: minister and say we had a meeting and they said this,

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Speaker 2: And so you say that is that what happens?

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Speaker 10: Yeah?

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Speaker 15: But these guys, I mean, I've had four years of

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Speaker 15: just talking incessantly. I've achieved nothing. I wouldn't give them

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Speaker 15: an ultimatum. I just boot them down.

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Speaker 2: And as he hermota, I mean that was That's a

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Speaker 2: good example of politics, isn't it? Basically? I mean, was

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Speaker 2: it ever the issue it needed to be? No, it

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Speaker 2: was a.

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Speaker 15: Fucking decision in twenty twenty and where reaping the benefits

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Speaker 15: of a dumb decision.

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Speaker 2: Now, all right, nice to talk to you, Chris. Appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Very much, Chris Finless and form a treaty negotiations. Minister

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Speaker 2: will sack them? Should we sack them? And who's Duncan

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Speaker 2: mentioned Duncan's program, Mike, give me one of those things

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Speaker 2: that you passing, well, give me one of those, Mike.

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Speaker 2: We just heard everything that's wrong in our justice system,

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Speaker 2: the Bee kind. It's not your fault. Justice system. Never

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Speaker 2: once was there an acknowledgment of the victims of crime.

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Speaker 2: The first strike is a warning only. The second strike

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Speaker 2: is for slow learners. Mike, that lawyer's reckons fall on

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Speaker 2: deafy is she has no evidence either to point to.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure that's actually true. She just wants to

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Speaker 2: believe it's a land of rainbows and cupcakes. Mike. Breaking

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Speaker 2: into your house while you're not there is not the point.

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Speaker 2: Actually it is. You need your house broken into and

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Speaker 2: all your ship wrecked. I don't think you can say that,

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Speaker 2: but I mean, you know well said the phrase we

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Speaker 2: need to put money into mental health, or we need

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Speaker 2: to put more money into anything should be banned. And

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Speaker 2: that's the problem, isn't it. As I was trying to say,

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Speaker 2: it's the intersection between what the legal profession and most

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Speaker 2: of it. To be fair to the legal most of

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Speaker 2: the legal profession are not fans of three strikes. It's

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Speaker 2: just us of rest of us out here in the

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Speaker 2: real world. Anyway, we'll come back to talk medical insurance

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Speaker 2: in just a couple of moments and problems around that.

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Speaker 2: is my hearing flawed? Or did I hear Finlason drop

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Speaker 2: the F bomb? Your hearing's floard those glims Actually because

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Speaker 22: behalf of people with.

868
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Speaker 2: Bad hearing, precisely seven twenty three now there are. I'm

869
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 2: here to tell you more people than ever with private

870
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 2: medical insurance. Let me give you some numbers, and the

871
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 2: so called costs a little bit crisis. Over fifteen thousand

872
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 2: more people joined Southern Cross last year. That's just one company.

873
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 2: They've got almost a million customers now. So having dealt

874
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 2: with my company, which isn't Southern Cross recently over a

875
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 2: series of issues, I can inform you I pay over

876
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 2: four thousand dollars a year and I've never made a

877
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 2: claim in my life. So so far they're winning. But

878
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 2: I know a person who had an OP the other

879
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 2: day that had a value attached to it. A forty

880
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,399
Speaker 2: thousand dollars. Wasn't a big op, wasn't a major op.

881
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:59,919
Speaker 2: Forty thousand dollars. The surgeon did seven of them that day,

882
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,280
Speaker 2: seven times forty thousand dollars operators. Seven ops had forty

883
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 2: thousand dollars. That's a lot of business for just one surgeon,

884
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 2: one day, one clinic, which would explain why Southern Cross

885
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,879
Speaker 2: are paying out six million dollars a day last year.

886
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 2: Think about that, six million dollars for every business day

887
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 2: last year. So my obvious question is what's wrong with us?

888
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 2: I mean, half of members made a claim last year,

889
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 2: there were over three million actual claims. How's that possible?

890
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 2: As a result of all these claims, Southern Cross ran

891
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 2: a deficit, no kidding. They also had to deal with

892
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,720
Speaker 2: increased costs of claims. That's fifty percent, the fifty percent

893
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 2: of them. By the way, that's gone up from thirty

894
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 2: three percent. Used to be a third of people making

895
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 2: a claim. Now it's fifty percent. That was in twenty nineteen.

896
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 2: So in the past handful of years there's been an

897
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 2: explosion in medical claims. Why knees are up seventeen percent.

898
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 2: Colonoscopies are up seventeen percent, hips are up eleven percent.

899
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 2: I mean is that age? Are we all that now?

900
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 2: Just literally falling apart? The simple reality is this can't continue. Well,

901
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 2: I mean it can, but at a price. And is

902
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 2: it any prize your price is going up. Part of

903
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 2: the reason the numbers are getting in it's going up

904
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 2: in terms of insurance, I've got no doubt is because

905
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 2: the public system is under pressure. And who would want

906
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 2: to deal with the public system if you've got the

907
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 2: wherewithal not to So a public system not working well

908
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 2: on anything outside of emergencies, and the private system under

909
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 2: pressure from ever growing numbers of claims. Is it possible

910
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 2: we are not well as a country? How come so

911
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 2: many people are actively engaged with the health system? Are

912
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,760
Speaker 2: we worse than Australia for example? And if so, why

913
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 2: how long can a private model go for? Whereby the

914
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 2: prices just go up and up and up and up.

915
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,720
Speaker 2: Along with the claims, we seemingly are getting sicker and sicker.

916
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 2: Why is this not the cold hard truth that when

917
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 2: they say health is a bottomless pit, it is in

918
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 2: fact true, because these numbers show it is asking as

919
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 2: sort of pleased yesterday. I don't want to rain on

920
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,399
Speaker 2: Golera's garrim and she's had a tough enough time as

921
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 2: it is. But she appealed, as you're well aware her convictions,

922
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 2: she pled guilty and then appealed it. And part of

923
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 2: the reason around her appeal appeared to be that she

924
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,720
Speaker 2: may or may not have applied to the International Criminal

925
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 2: Court for a job as part of the lack of

926
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 2: information in the case that day, she may or may

927
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Speaker 2: not even have her license to be able to apply

928
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 2: for the job that may or may not be in evidence,

929
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 2: and she may may not have applied to a job

930
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 2: that may or may not have existed. Her lawyer also

931
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 2: argued that it could be a bit difficult for the

932
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 2: old mental health now, all of which are coach and

933
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 2: arguments I'm sure I heard in court every single day,

934
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:27,879
Speaker 2: and I was hoping to myself that she wouldn't get

935
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 2: let off because there's then no point of the justice system.

936
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 2: Then we come back down to the beginning of the

937
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 2: discussion we had before. If you're going to start committing

938
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 2: crimes and pleading guilty to crimes and then go, please,

939
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 2: can I have some sort of excuse to get out

940
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 2: of it. So I personally wish a well. I don't

941
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 2: know her, I wish her well. She's had a hell

942
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 2: of a time and I hope she gets on with

943
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,879
Speaker 2: a life and does okay for herself. But I am

944
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 2: pleased the justice system stood its ground and you can't

945
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 2: do what she did and then start laying out some

946
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 2: sort of mayor culp for that you're special or different

947
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 2: or unusual. But then again, speaking of crimes in the

948
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 2: mailbox yesterday addressed to mister m n J. Hosking was

949
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 2: a speeding ticket and the first that I have had,

950
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 2: and I couldn't remember, but it would be I mean,

951
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 2: certainly a decade, possibly longer. But there's some problems with it,

952
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 2: so we'll have to get into this in the next

953
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 2: half hour of the program. Actually, I might ask the

954
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 2: Prime Minister to fix it for me and make it

955
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 2: go away. We'll see how that goes. Chris Luxon next.

956
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: Your trusted source for news and fews, the Mike Hosking

957
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: Breakfast with Bailey's Real Estate, your local experts across residential, commercial.

958
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 15: And rural news.

959
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 2: Togsendb I've got my hands on the members of the

960
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 2: esteemed Ehemota Steering Committee, so I'll work you through their

961
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,399
Speaker 2: credentials in a couple of moments. Stephen Fry by the way,

962
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 2: after eight o'clock this morning, meantime being a Tuesday, the

963
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 2: Prime Minister's with us. Christopher Luxeon, Good morning, Lawton. Is

964
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 2: he there or not?

965
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 14: Oh?

966
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 2: He is there? Are you with us?

967
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 17: Yeah?

968
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:04,800
Speaker 20: I am? I just say how good is Liam Lawson?

969
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 2: He was absolutely fantastic And you won't have spent some

970
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 2: time watching it because you've got a country to run

971
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 2: and I just run a breakfas show, so I had

972
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 2: more time. But what he did was just just exceptional nomenal.

973
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 2: And do you get frustrated because as I watched yet

974
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 2: again slavishly to your post cabinet press conference, you opened

975
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 2: with that very thought that you know, New Zealand had

976
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 2: a fantastic sporting weekend. What's the point of doing that

977
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 2: given you know that none of those people sitting in

978
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 2: front of you deal with any of that and will

979
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 2: never ask you a question about it ever.

980
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 20: Well, like I'm also talking through the media to people

981
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 20: across his own so I always think it's a good

982
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 20: chance to acknowledge, you know, what was a great weekend,

983
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,280
Speaker 20: and you know that's how I opened this one yesterday,

984
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 20: And we had some good news yesterday around the roads

985
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 20: of national significance. We've actually kicked off one, which is

986
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 20: the Hawks Bay Expressway.

987
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 2: They didn't ask about those either.

988
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 20: No, but we'll upbelded that for about twelve to fifteen

989
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 20: months sooner. And that's pretty progress I reckon in the

990
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 20: first year to get going with that. So there's a

991
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 20: lot more to do. Obviously there's a big program will

992
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:06,720
Speaker 20: work on roads, but you know that was the focus.

993
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 20: But then obviously it goes into general topics of the day.

994
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 2: Right, what did they ask you about?

995
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 20: There was conversations around Andrew Bailey.

996
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 2: There was conversation, So the conversation is going to be

997
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 2: around Andrew Bailey, just just for my edification, correct me

998
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 2: if I'm wrong. But the coverage of the story has

999
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 2: been convoluted to the extent that nobody actually knows what happened.

1000
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 2: Do you know specifically what happened.

1001
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 20: Yes, you know. What happened was he visited a business,

1002
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 20: he engaged with staff there. He thought he was making

1003
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 20: some lighthearted comments and bentter and he clearly got it

1004
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 20: very very wrong and unintentionally made someone feel pretty hurt

1005
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 20: and insulted, and so as a consequence, you know, he's

1006
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 20: a knowledge that he got that wrong. He feels quite

1007
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 20: mortified about that, quite rightly. So he's apologized most importantly

1008
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 20: to the complainant, but also to me, and then assured

1009
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 20: me that that's the behavior that won't happen again, because frankly,

1010
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,320
Speaker 20: that fell short of the senas I expect from my minister's.

1011
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 2: Did he know the person?

1012
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 20: No, not that I'm aware of. No, he was just

1013
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 20: visiting a business.

1014
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 2: Which to my I assumed he knew somebody, because I

1015
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 2: cannot fathom in my mind if I'd known. Oh good

1016
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 2: out there, Chris, how are you?

1017
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1018
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 2: I haven't seen you for five years? What are you

1019
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 2: still doing here?

1020
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:21,399
Speaker 15: Mate?

1021
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 2: Oh god, what a loser? Are you still working here?

1022
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 2: Et cetera. I get that, not just make it right,

1023
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 2: but I get it. How do you explain a minister

1024
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 2: of the crown going up to a person that he's

1025
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:35,399
Speaker 2: literally never met in his life in going why don't

1026
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 2: you get some wine and f off you, loser? How

1027
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 2: does that evolt?

1028
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 20: I mean, he got it very very wrong. I mean

1029
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 20: there's you can sort of dispute stories on both sides

1030
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 20: as to what exactly was said or wasn't said. But

1031
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 20: the bottom line is from his perspective, he owns it

1032
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 20: completely and that's why you saw him front it very

1033
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 20: strongly on can you father? Well, I mean again, no,

1034
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 20: I can't. I mean that's I said to him. It's

1035
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 20: pretty disappointing because it's very disappointing because they aren't the

1036
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 20: standards or the language or the behavior that I would

1037
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 20: expect to my ministers. You hold the position twenty four

1038
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 20: to seven, as I've said to the cabinet from day one,

1039
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:14,839
Speaker 20: and the reality is, you know, he caused hurt an

1040
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 20: insult to somebody. He's acknowledged that. You know, he has apologized,

1041
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:21,359
Speaker 20: it's genuine. He's reached out I think twice he's offered

1042
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,720
Speaker 20: to meet with the individual if that helps. It's ultimately

1043
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 20: up to them as to whether they do or don't

1044
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 20: want to do that, and most importantly, to assure me

1045
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 20: it won't happen again.

1046
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 2: Is there something underhand in the bloke or the company

1047
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 2: alerting all of the political parties?

1048
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 20: Well, look, I mean the bottom line is, you know,

1049
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 20: he's got to own it, in front it because regardless

1050
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:44,240
Speaker 20: of what people think about the actual circumstances. The reality

1051
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 20: is he caused hurt an insult, and he acknowledges that

1052
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 20: as soon as it was raised with me. He wrote

1053
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 20: immediately to apologize to an individual. He's apologized again. He's

1054
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,720
Speaker 20: offered to reach out, talk on phone, go meet in person,

1055
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 20: do whatever's needed, and he genuinely, you know, it feels

1056
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:01,360
Speaker 20: like he was he was trying to engage in some

1057
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,399
Speaker 20: light handed, lighthearted banter, which I.

1058
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 2: Just don't see. If he'd known him, he got so

1059
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 2: so wrong. If he had known him, if he had

1060
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 2: met him, if he had some connection with the company.

1061
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:11,760
Speaker 2: I take there's no connection with the company either.

1062
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 20: Not that I'm aware of it.

1063
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 2: So it's just just a random minister turns up and

1064
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 2: tell somebody to off, go home, grab some wine and

1065
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 2: what I'll lose. I just it's totally totally got it wrong.

1066
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 20: Yep, totally got it wrong, and you know really understands that,

1067
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,399
Speaker 20: which is important to me, but again cannot happen again.

1068
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 2: Okay, have you seen the advice that sim has seen

1069
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 2: on Wellington.

1070
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 20: I haven't seen the advice, but we're in conversation about that.

1071
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 20: He will, he will obviously work his way through that

1072
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 20: and come to a decision shortly.

1073
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 2: Has he told you what the advice is roughly?

1074
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 20: Well, I mean, again, it's sort of obvious to us

1075
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 20: that there's some dysfunction going on on the council. There's

1076
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 20: obviously been a big gap with respect to the long

1077
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 20: term plan. And frankly, when I've looked at the balance

1078
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 20: sheets and the financials, you know that you know there's

1079
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 20: there's there's there's a balance sheet there that should be

1080
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 20: managed in a much better way. So those have been

1081
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Speaker 20: at concerns coming through this process. He's taken advice on it,

1082
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 20: he's considering that right now. It's important he gets it right.

1083
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 20: But he'll have more right, I'm sure, surely. Well, I

1084
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 20: mean he's got to make sure that he's actually you

1085
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 20: know that there's a basis if he's going to make

1086
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 20: any intervention that that's you know, well.

1087
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Speaker 2: The basis is what you've so clearly and publicly stated

1088
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 2: over the last couple of weeks, you will as Browning

1089
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 2: wrong with the council.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, well that's why that's not exactly why we are

1091
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 20: where we are today, because he's asked for further advice

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Speaker 20: on that. Well, what specifically, as a Minister of Local government.

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Speaker 20: He has a series of powers, and he just wants

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Speaker 20: to make sure that he understands those powers well before

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Speaker 20: he pulls the trigger. Yeah, but before he makes a

1096
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Speaker 20: decision on one way or the other.

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Speaker 2: Well, pulls the trigger and makes a decision, or has

1098
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Speaker 2: he already made his decision.

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Speaker 20: Well, he'll heaven what to say about that shortly.

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Speaker 2: I just can't work out why it's so complicated. A

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00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 2: government can't go round threatening councils without actually following through

1102
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Speaker 2: with the threat.

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Speaker 20: Well, I think we've raised our concerns pretty consistently and

1104
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Speaker 20: clearly not that long ago. He's got to make sure

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Speaker 20: he follows proper process so that he does that well

1106
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Speaker 20: and right. And he's got to take that advice and

1107
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Speaker 20: consider a few things. And so you know, I'm rest

1108
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Speaker 20: assured he'll be moving quickly through it and he'll have

1109
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Speaker 20: something to say shortly. But for now, he's still considering

1110
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Speaker 20: that advice.

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Speaker 2: Who got did you go and told her to fall

1112
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Speaker 2: on a sword?

1113
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 20: Sorry? Say that again?

1114
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 2: Who got to the solicitor general and told her to

1115
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:27,800
Speaker 2: fall on his sword?

1116
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 15: Well?

1117
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,280
Speaker 20: Look, I mean we welcome her independent decision to withdraw

1118
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 20: and further review those prosecution guidelines.

1119
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Speaker 2: I mean, have you got that written down in front

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Speaker 2: of you. That's what I said. Who got to us?

1121
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 2: You shouldn't wake up one morning and change your mind?

1122
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 2: Who got to it?

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Speaker 20: Well, I mean that the Journey General made it very

1124
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:47,760
Speaker 20: clear that we expect all New Zealanders to be treated

1125
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Speaker 20: equally under the law. The law should be colorblind, and

1126
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Speaker 20: she articulated that to this list of to General and yeah,

1127
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 20: that's a core principle of law in New Zealand. So

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Speaker 20: it's good to see that she's come to a decision.

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00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 20: She's withdrawing that guidelines and she'll have another go at it.

1130
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Speaker 2: So the age you can get to the SG is

1131
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Speaker 2: the SG actually independent.

1132
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Speaker 20: Well, I mean the AG this she is appointed by

1133
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 20: the AG. And it's actually important that you know, she

1134
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 20: made it very clear to her that, you know, we

1135
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 20: expect all these Islanders to be treated equally under the law.

1136
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Speaker 20: That's that's exactly how it is. You should be held

1137
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Speaker 20: to account for your actions, regardless of what your background is.

1138
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 20: And so it's a core principle of the law. It's

1139
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:28,320
Speaker 20: a core principle of our government obviously, and I suspect

1140
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 20: all governments. And so she got this one wrong and

1141
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 20: quite rightly. I think has made the right decision to

1142
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Speaker 20: withdraw it and to resubmit it.

1143
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Speaker 2: Oftimately, we had Chris Finlayson on earlier on in the program.

1144
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 2: He said, you should sack the people at her motel.

1145
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 2: This group doing nothing, earning half a million dollars, are

1146
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 2: you going to sack them?

1147
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 20: Well, I know Toma Potaka had some remarks about that

1148
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 20: over the last twenty four hours and he's looking into

1149
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 20: that very carefully because clearly it's taken.

1150
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Speaker 2: Getting the same advice an getting before he says anything.

1151
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Speaker 20: No, No, We're just important that we make sure that

1152
00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 20: we take the advice and then ministers will make decisions.

1153
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 20: And you know the ministers have strong views on things,

1154
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 20: wh as they should do. They can take advice. There's

1155
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 20: a range of advice. We don't always take it, and

1156
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,399
Speaker 20: it's just important that we get all the process clean

1157
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 20: and sorted and quickly delivered. In the background. But you know,

1158
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 20: as you've heard Thomas ay, he's got concerns given the length,

1159
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 20: the time it has, the amount of money that's been

1160
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 20: spent in the absence of a result.

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Speaker 2: Can I take from your comments yesterday is there a

1162
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 2: game being played between you and Grant Dalton that he

1163
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 2: can ring you, but you ring him. And if it's

1164
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 2: not you, it's Chris Buship, but Chris Buship can't ring him.

1165
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 2: And who's ringing hard? Does anybody ring anybody?

1166
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,320
Speaker 20: Well, we're very happy just to engage in a conversation.

1167
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 20: It's not about who sends what and who does what

1168
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 20: to who. I guess the thing is ultimately just recognizing look,

1169
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 20: it is the team New Zealand's decision. We are very

1170
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 20: open to a conversation and having that conversation. I do

1171
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 20: want to say upfront, as you well understand, it's difficult

1172
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:51,720
Speaker 20: economic times.

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Speaker 15: You know.

1174
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Speaker 20: I think last time, Mike, it was one hundred million

1175
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:57,399
Speaker 20: dollars the government almost put forward as an offer. We've

1176
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 20: got a lot of priorities, you know when you're looking

1177
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Speaker 20: at hospital, school, roads other things that we're in hell

1178
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:03,360
Speaker 20: of a mess. We've got to sort some things out.

1179
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:05,359
Speaker 20: So but what I do want to be is really

1180
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 20: clear in that conversation, which is let's have the conversation,

1181
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 20: but let's get clarity up front, and then let's not

1182
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:13,320
Speaker 20: of course one hundred million. You look at SHA experiences.

1183
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 20: Oh look, I think I think the New Zealand public

1184
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 20: would find that quite challenging, to be honest. You know,

1185
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 20: I think and I don't know what that cap would be,

1186
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 20: and I really want to understand what they would be

1187
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,320
Speaker 20: thinking and happy to engage in that conversation.

1188
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 2: So so if it's more than one hundred million, forget it.

1189
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Speaker 2: If it's less than one hundred million, we could do

1190
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Speaker 2: some business pop mode.

1191
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Speaker 20: You could see last You could see last time, as

1192
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:32,800
Speaker 20: I owner said, it got to ninety nine million dollars

1193
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 20: from memory, and it was all you know, that was

1194
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 20: the government obviously massively stretched at that point in time.

1195
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 20: What I just say to you are worse. Nations are

1196
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 20: even worse, and it's incredibly challenging. And the reality is,

1197
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 20: I think the New Zealand public, if you say to them,

1198
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 20: do you want a hundred million dollars spent doing this

1199
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Speaker 20: or do you want a hundred million dollars spent doing

1200
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 20: something that improves education or healthcare law in order, that's

1201
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 20: probably where they'd be at the moment, quite rightly. So

1202
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 20: you know, I just in fairness, but I also don't

1203
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 20: want to know. I've watched and you would have watched

1204
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 20: to Over the years, there's just been these ongoing negotiation

1205
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 20: experiences that I think I don't want to repeat. Let's

1206
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 20: just get clarity upfront, so everyone's got clarity and can

1207
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 20: move on one way.

1208
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 15: Or the other.

1209
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 2: Did those punks on the roof worry get some chicken

1210
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 2: and some car.

1211
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 20: No, we've got six still up there. I think thirteen

1212
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 20: went up there late last night. Six are up there

1213
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 20: as I came to onto your call. And you know,

1214
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:25,280
Speaker 20: we've got police and OT doing a good job actually

1215
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 20: talking them down. But no, they're not coming down for KFC,

1216
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 20: but they you know, these are some of our most

1217
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 20: serious and high coore young offenders. You know what I

1218
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 20: just say is what's interesting, Mike is there was fifteen

1219
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 20: rooftop instances last year in twenty twenty three. This is

1220
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:42,439
Speaker 20: the first we've had this year. We've got more work

1221
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:45,800
Speaker 20: to do on hardening the infrastructure post the Mike Bush report,

1222
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 20: but the Minister and the team are working through that.

1223
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 20: So yeah, the key thing is let's get these kids

1224
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 20: down safely and then move forward.

1225
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Speaker 2: Appreciate your time, Primate as Chryso Blacks and twelfth away.

1226
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Speaker 1: Cool the mic Asking Breakfast a full show. I have

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Speaker 2: It'd be what do you reckon about? The Bailey thing.

1229
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 2: I wasn't interested in the Bailey thing other than up

1230
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 2: until this particular point in time. It's been shockingly explained

1231
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 2: to the wider world by the media because there were

1232
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 2: more questions and answers as I tried to outline yesterday,

1233
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 2: and all you have to do in the media if

1234
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 2: you don't know the detail that you know that people

1235
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 2: want to know, just say, hey, obviously at home, you're

1236
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 2: asking this question, this question, this question, and this question.

1237
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 2: We don't know the answers to that hints It seems

1238
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 2: a bit convoluted and complex. But the development this morning

1239
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 2: that he didn't know the guy seems astonishing. For want

1240
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 2: of a better word, how a conversation develops from I've

1241
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 2: never met you, I've never seen you before in my

1242
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 2: life to why don't you f off with your wine

1243
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:54,479
Speaker 2: and go home? You loser? And calling him a loser

1244
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 2: several times. How does have you ever been in a

1245
00:57:57,040 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 2: scenario when someone you've never met telling you what a

1246
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 2: loser you are, how you need to wef off and

1247
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 2: go home.

1248
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 22: It happens to me all the time, actually, now that

1249
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 22: I think of it, But that's because you're you. I

1250
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 22: just need to make a bad first and so it

1251
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 22: is it or is it not the weirdest thing in

1252
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 22: the world anyway, Listen, I've got to get to this

1253
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 22: business of the Motow Steering Committee. What luminaries preside on

1254
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 22: this auspicious gathering and committee more in a moment seven

1255
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 22: away from it.

1256
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Speaker 1: The my costing breakfast with the range rover.

1257
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Speaker 2: The la use it be Dr Charlotte Severne, Senior Leadership

1258
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 2: with te Te Temu Payota professional trustee organization for MARI

1259
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 2: is on the committee. Bernie O'Connell described as an Urban

1260
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 2: Mary advocate. He's also on the District Council and New

1261
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 2: Plymouth and Augil director of the EWE Partnerships. One of

1262
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 2: Willie Jackson's mate, Ruko Mowana Schafshausen, a lawyer and quote

1263
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 2: unquote influential member of her EWEI. Three representatives of the

1264
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 2: Ahi car groups. Those with connections to the land can't

1265
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 2: find their names, cannot find them for love nor money. Also,

1266
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 2: the Auckland Council provides an observer to attend meetings. What

1267
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 2: a job that would be half a million dollars later

1268
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:13,440
Speaker 2: they've achieved literally nothing. How many questions for you? How

1269
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 2: many meetings I mean, I asked you the question before,

1270
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 2: how many times you've been insulted by somebody you've never

1271
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 2: met before and told to take some wine and go

1272
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:23,919
Speaker 2: home and f off? Second question, how many meetings would

1273
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 2: you have to attend and achieve literally nothing before you

1274
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 2: ask yourself, I wonder if I'm wasting my time, and

1275
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 2: or I wonder if I'm wasting the time, energy and

1276
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 2: money of the people who are paying me to turn

1277
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 2: up to these meetings over and over again and do nothing.

1278
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 2: What would the answer that me are to be one

1279
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 2: like one meeting of nothing happens? Ago, bugger this, I'm

1280
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 2: done some people, Glenn, you'd be three, I reckon you'd

1281
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 2: be three or four?

1282
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Speaker 11: Do I get to take wine home with me? Then

1283
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 11: you can't?

1284
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 2: Why don't you f off? Take the wine and if off?

1285
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Speaker 11: Sweet deal?

1286
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, done, simple, It's doesn't have to be that complicated,

1287
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 2: does it you? Shortly then Stephen Fry.

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Speaker 2: a show, author, reconteur, actor of course, Blackheaded, Gosford Park,

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Speaker 2: Brian Lauren, The Hobbit, and then you get to the books,

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Speaker 2: the latest of which is the final part of his

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Speaker 2: four partner on Greek myths. This one's called Odyssey. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: Stephen Pry is with us from Britain. Good morning, good

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Speaker 2: morning to you to make I tell you what, I'm

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Speaker 2: very disappointed I haven't interrupted you at the Garrick Club,

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Speaker 2: you know, with a small glass of something of an

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Speaker 2: evening you're stuck in a hotel.

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Speaker 17: I am. It's not all glamor and old fashioned English

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Speaker 17: gentleman's clubs.

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Speaker 12: You know.

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Speaker 17: There is the occasional need to do work. Event on

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Speaker 17: doing some work for Australian Well in two days time.

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Speaker 17: I'm currently recording a second series of Jeopardy, the American Quisho,

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Speaker 17: which I do in Britain, and I do a version

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Speaker 17: for Australian television as well. And so I'm doing eight

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Speaker 17: shows for Australian Jeopardy starting on Friday, Saturday, Saturday and Sunday.

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Speaker 2: What is your attitude given you raise that you know

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Speaker 2: to work generally? Because I've never seen a person work more.

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Speaker 17: Yes, I mean the sort of lazy thing I say

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Speaker 17: in messages and emails and in conversation when people say,

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Speaker 17: is that really what you're doing this week or whatever?

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Speaker 17: When I explain why I can't get to a party

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Speaker 17: or whatever, and I always say, well, I suppose I

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Speaker 17: must like it, or I wouldn't do it. And I

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Speaker 17: think that's true. I am fortunate in that I don't

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Speaker 17: need to work that hard just in order to put

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Speaker 17: bread on the table, so it must just be some desire.

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Speaker 17: It's like I suppose. I mean, you know, I've got

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Speaker 17: a big waistline because I'm greedy and I really like food,

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Speaker 17: and I've got a fat diary because I'm greedy and

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Speaker 17: really like work. That's the best I can do.

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Speaker 2: The flip side of that, I guess you're in demand.

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Speaker 2: And that's a wonderful thing.

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Speaker 17: It is. It's incredibly touching, and you know, we all

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Speaker 17: have I guess I don't know a human being that

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Speaker 17: doesn't have a touch of imposter syndrome somewhere. Sometimes too much,

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Speaker 17: and sometimes you feels isn't enough in some people. But

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Speaker 17: we all wonder whether we really deserve it, and we

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Speaker 17: have to pinch ourselves and that doesn't go away. Even

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Speaker 17: after nearly five decades of doing this, I still kind

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Speaker 17: of think, can it be true? I still think of

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Speaker 17: myself as the little boy watching Parkinson interview comedy stars

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Speaker 17: and film stars and so on, and just dreaming of

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Speaker 17: the amazing idea of being famous and you know, working

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Speaker 17: on in television and you know, it's extraordinary. I think

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Speaker 17: after all these years it would have lost its luster,

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Speaker 17: But actually it hasn't.

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Speaker 2: About the breadth of work, which sort of you know,

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Speaker 2: brings me to your show, which is why you're coming

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Speaker 2: to the country. When you put a show together for

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Speaker 2: your life's work. I mean most of it isn't even

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Speaker 2: in there, because I mean otherwise it'll been not like

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Speaker 2: nine hours long.

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Speaker 17: Yes, yeah, and most of the course it's very dull.

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Speaker 21: You know.

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Speaker 17: You turn up an on the appointed date and do

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Speaker 17: the job and then go away and there's not much

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Speaker 17: to say. There aren't stories, you know, And then hilariously

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Speaker 17: Ronekinson exploded. You know that actually hasn't happened. We just

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Speaker 17: sort of get on with things. But as it happens,

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Speaker 17: I have had a life of some interest. Particularly when

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Speaker 17: I was young. I was constantly being expelled from schools,

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Speaker 17: and then I went to prison. And I'm sort of

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Speaker 17: aware that I have an affect, I suppose it's the

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Speaker 17: smart word for it. A demeanor, a look of feel

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Speaker 17: that is confident, English, old fashioned.

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Speaker 18: Uh.

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Speaker 17: And and so this this wild frankly Australian kind of

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Speaker 17: or in the New Zealand kind of slightly more Laraquin

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Speaker 17: or whatever you wild colonial boy sort of. I wasn't

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Speaker 17: exactly ned, Kelly. I mean, I essumed violence, but but

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Speaker 17: I was a rebel as a child, and so much

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Speaker 17: so I went to prison. As I said, so there's

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Speaker 17: some strange stories about what rescued me and and so yeah,

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Speaker 17: and even once I was rescued, I had an extraordinary

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Speaker 17: run in with my own mental health and drug use

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Speaker 17: and things. Again that as I don't come across as

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Speaker 17: being like that, but so for you know, for all that,

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Speaker 17: for all that I work on, and I'm very lucky

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Speaker 17: and very fortunate, I also sometimes feel I'm always ready

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Speaker 17: just to tip over and do something incredibly stupid.

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Speaker 2: Interesting. There's a whole on a couple of moments, Stephen

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Speaker 2: Fry coming too the Country. I give you the details

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Speaker 2: on the show in just a couple of moments. More

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Speaker 2: from Stephen Frye shortly twelve past eight.

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Speaker 1: The Mic Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on I Heard

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Speaker 1: Radio powered by News Talks.

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Speaker 2: It be News Talks fourteen past eight. Stephen Frye is

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Speaker 2: with us for it. Now you're talking about your frailties, Stephen,

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Speaker 2: just before the break, but without putting you on the

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Speaker 2: psychiatrists counch. I mean, I remember distinctly it was the

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Speaker 2: nineties you disappeared. I mean, you went off to Europe.

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Speaker 2: You just vanished, and I thought, what the hell has

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Speaker 2: happened there? And yet the funny thing is you put

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Speaker 2: yourself out in front of people, you ask for applause

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Speaker 2: or acceptance, or you know, whatever the case may be,

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Speaker 2: and yet there's a fragility there. How do you explain

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Speaker 2: all that?

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Speaker 17: I mean, I've become more confident in explaining it, not

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Speaker 17: necessarily in unraveling it and giving reasons, but in understanding

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Speaker 17: that it is a part of a lot of people's lives,

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Speaker 17: that I'm hardly alone in having this propensity to lose

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Speaker 17: faith in the purpose of existence. That's sounds so dramatic

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Speaker 17: put that way, but that phrase that one can utter,

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Speaker 17: what is the point you know we're right to. You know,

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Speaker 17: it's like, if you want to get an intellectual about it,

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Speaker 17: it's like sort of existential or as Sam Beckett or

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Speaker 17: you know, this sense that the absurdity and the meaningless

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Speaker 17: of life, the fatuous nonsense of existence that is born

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Speaker 17: to decay and ruin and you know, just oblivion generally

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Speaker 17: to the v l VI, the nothing, and mostly we

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Speaker 17: sort of don't mind. We know it. We know life

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Speaker 17: is pointless, but we find meaning in relationships. We find

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Speaker 17: meaning in self fulfillment. I mean, goodness, I haven't really

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Speaker 17: thought this through, so I don't know how I'm going

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Speaker 17: to end saying this, but generally speaking, I've fine fulfillment.

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Speaker 17: And maybe that's why I work so hard what we

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Speaker 17: began with that I'm trying to delay the realization that

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Speaker 17: it's all meaningless and pointless. I've got to the age

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Speaker 17: now where people actually that I was at school university

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Speaker 17: where some of them have died of natural causes and

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Speaker 17: you know, cancers and things that are early perhaps in

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Speaker 17: the mid sixties. In these days, it's quite I don't

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Speaker 17: expect to die necessarily, but you know, people are starting

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Speaker 17: to and see my face, I see you know, every year,

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Speaker 17: my nipples go another three inches further south. The mechanisms

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Speaker 17: of age, and you know it's so crazy when someone dies,

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Speaker 17: how quickly they've forgotten. I don't want, of course, I'm

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Speaker 17: trying to sell my show now. I gather tickets are

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Speaker 17: going very well, so nice, But but if people come,

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Speaker 17: I'm not going to I'm not going to bring the

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Speaker 17: whole evening right down by talking like that. But though

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Speaker 17: I'm very open to talking about things like that, because

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Speaker 17: the second half of the show, I'm not quite sure

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Speaker 17: having in to do it. I've done it before with

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Speaker 17: QR codes in the beginning and at the interval, so

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Speaker 17: people point their cameras and then that takes them to

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Speaker 17: a site where they can ask a question. And then

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Speaker 17: in the interval I triarge the questions and answer them,

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Speaker 17: because I don't like stage shows where there's someone with

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Speaker 17: a torch going up the and a microphone going up

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Speaker 17: the rows and passing the microphone and it's always disaster

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Speaker 17: and it's sort of eggy. So I'll have a nice

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Speaker 17: basket full of slips of paper with the questions of

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Speaker 17: which we've been written on during the interval, and people

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Speaker 17: are free to ask questions as serious as they like,

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Speaker 17: but also as frivolous as they like. But as you've

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Speaker 17: discovered your despair. I'm not someone who finds it difficult

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Speaker 17: to talk.

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Speaker 2: No, no, not at all. We're loving every moment. Can

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Speaker 2: I ask you just quickly to explain the Austrian situation

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Speaker 2: of people don't know you now have full Austrian citizenship.

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Speaker 2: Does that mean you can vote? And did you vote

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Speaker 2: in the recent election?

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Speaker 17: Yes, I do have Austrian citizenship. It's a you know,

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Speaker 17: they have this fast track for descendants. I think up

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Speaker 17: until great great grandchildren, I did think great great the

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Speaker 17: great grandchildren. I'm a grandchild of an Austrian citizen, but

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Speaker 17: particularly Jewish descendants whose ancestors were expelled, that persecuted, killed

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Speaker 17: in the case of my great grandparents, and they offer

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Speaker 17: citizenship and it's done quite quickly. And I spoke to

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Speaker 17: my mother about my mother's still with us and to say,

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Speaker 17: and she obviously was her mother and father who were

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Speaker 17: from Central Europe, and she has no bitterness towards Austria

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Speaker 17: and the Austrian people in one particular Austrian citizen adult obviously,

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Speaker 17: but so she thought it was a nice idea, you know,

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Speaker 17: she loves the culture as I do, and I was

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Speaker 17: pleased that they're doing it, and I like the idea

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Speaker 17: of having another passport, which just sort of struck me

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Speaker 17: as appealing. But currently, yes, there is this worry of

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Speaker 17: the the fdo that I appear, and that which is

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Speaker 17: the far right party that has gained quite a lot

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Speaker 17: of seats at the recent election, in which I verteds

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Speaker 17: as I have the full right to do now, and

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Speaker 17: it struck me as a you know, it's always a

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Speaker 17: duty and the democracy, isn't it, And so I, yes,

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Speaker 17: it seems a strange time to choose if there are

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Speaker 17: anti Semitic elements in that party, and I'm not fully

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Speaker 17: informed enough about it to know, but I wouldn't be surprised,

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Speaker 17: because far right parties attract even further fringe people to them,

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Speaker 17: some of whom have really revolting views on race, and

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Speaker 17: so it may seem a strange time to join. But

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Speaker 17: on the other hand, I think it's also a kind

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Speaker 17: of commitment to a belief in people that one wants

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Speaker 17: to belong to their country, and this is the country

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Speaker 17: of Mozarts and Heighten and Schubert and Freud and Mather

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Speaker 17: and Senberg and Spike, you know, the most unbelievable artistic

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Speaker 17: center in the world for certain periods, and you know

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Speaker 17: you can't. You know, if if you make a mistake

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Speaker 17: of thinking this culture and these people are rotten, then

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Speaker 17: you're making the same racist mistake as those who say that,

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Speaker 17: you know, all Jews are rotten, are all black people

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Speaker 17: are rotten. The point is we're all all sisters under

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Speaker 17: the skin, as Radio Kipling put it, And so I

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Speaker 17: don't know, it's it's I mean, some people find it

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Speaker 17: mysterious that I would do that, and maybe it is

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Speaker 17: part of my trying not to be the quintessential Englishman

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Speaker 17: that people always accuse me if it is an accusation.

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Speaker 17: And also, you know, I suppose you realize life is

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Speaker 17: short and the longer you live, the more experiences you have,

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Speaker 17: and so a fresh and new experience is all the

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Speaker 17: more welcome. So suddenly belonging to a new country, it's rather.

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Speaker 2: Exciting, exactly. I'm not surprised. Listen. Been lovely to talk

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Speaker 2: with you, and I appreciate your time very much, and

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Speaker 2: we'll look forward to maybe catching up when you're in

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Speaker 2: the country and for the show, and we'll fill the

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Speaker 2: basket full of interesting questions.

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Speaker 17: That would be wonderful. I really look forward to that.

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Speaker 17: Thank you so much, mate.

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Speaker 2: There's no better practitioner of the English language. I think

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Speaker 2: you're probably right. He's here in a couple of weeks time.

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Speaker 2: I'll give you the day. It's how good Stephen Fry

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Speaker 2: at a dinner party. So it's a fascinating intelligent guy.

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Speaker 2: He's very erudite, isn't it great into be? Why do

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01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:09,519
Speaker 2: people say far right but never far left? I don't know.

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01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:12,280
Speaker 2: Go to dinner with him and ask him. It's called

1535
01:14:12,280 --> 01:14:17,120
Speaker 2: an evening with Stephen Fry. It's two weeks this coming Monday,

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01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:19,680
Speaker 2: eleventh of November. And Auckland then got a couple of

1537
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:23,360
Speaker 2: shows in Wellington the twelfth and thirteenth of November. If

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Speaker 2: that's what you're into. Gus fremenious amount of feedback on

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Speaker 2: Andrew Bailey. I didn't want to get bogged down on that.

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01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 2: But a couple of quick things. A lot of you

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01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:32,280
Speaker 2: suggesting he might have been drinking. That's been dismiss he

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01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:34,880
Speaker 2: said he wasn't. We must take him at his word.

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01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:37,840
Speaker 2: A number of you also suggesting that he might have

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Speaker 2: in some way, shape or form been racked up. We

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01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:43,040
Speaker 2: don't know that to be the case either, so it's

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01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:46,920
Speaker 2: it's a mystery, as they say use in a couple

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01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:49,759
Speaker 2: of moments, it's unfolding as we speak, the Chris cart

1548
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:52,000
Speaker 2: thinking you don't know about the trial and the case.

1549
01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:54,000
Speaker 2: We'll give you the detail when we catch up with

1550
01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:55,960
Speaker 2: Rod to end the UK in a couple of moments.

1551
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Speaker 2: After the news which is next here on the my

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Speaker 2: Cosking Breakfast.

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Speaker 1: You're Trusted Home the News for Entertainment's opinion and Mike

1554
01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:09,480
Speaker 1: the Mike Hosking Breakfast with the range Rover Villa designed

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Speaker 1: to intrigue and use.

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Speaker 2: Tog SEDB small criticism of our news service this morning

1557
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:16,800
Speaker 2: I have, for reasons best known to themselves. I haven't

1558
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:19,120
Speaker 2: got the latest one because I was busy doing something else.

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01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:21,599
Speaker 2: But earlier on this morning they were reporting on these

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Speaker 2: youths on the top of the facility, and they demanded,

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Speaker 2: according to our new service, fast food and cigarettes, why

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01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:31,679
Speaker 2: they didn't include the getaway car. I've got no idea,

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01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:35,320
Speaker 2: because everyone else is they want a getaway car, and

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01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:38,040
Speaker 2: that to me just makes it that little bit extra

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01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:41,439
Speaker 2: comedic because you don't take them seriously in the first place.

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Speaker 2: So fast food's bog standard, cigarettes bog standard, But a

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Speaker 2: getaway car puts it into the realm of being moderately insane,

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Speaker 2: if not just a little bit.

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Speaker 22: That's understanding themselves because most of the hostage movies I've

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01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:54,960
Speaker 22: ever seen it, you ask for a helicopter, don't you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, yeah, they won't have thought about that, And

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01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:00,960
Speaker 2: that's the unfortunate position that they find themselves. And they're

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Speaker 2: not hardened enough.

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Speaker 11: And I guess they're only keeping themselves hostages.

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Speaker 2: Well exactly, and so you know, maybe next time they'll

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Speaker 2: think of a helicopter, but certainly they will if they

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Speaker 2: get a getaway car. I wonder if they've had a

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Speaker 2: conversation as to what sort of getaway car. By the way,

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Speaker 2: the average wage in this country, just going back to

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Speaker 2: the public servants and the one hundred thousand dollars in

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Speaker 2: our exercise about that average wage. It is official this morning.

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01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:26,080
Speaker 2: The stats have been published average wage in this country

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Speaker 2: for twenty twenty four and seventy two, eight hundred and

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Speaker 2: fifteen dollars. But you want to be in other areas,

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Speaker 2: I'll come back to those in the moment. Twenty two

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Speaker 2: minutes away from nine.

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with ends an eye insurance peace of mind

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01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:40,719
Speaker 1: for New Zealand business because we must.

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Speaker 2: Get immediately to Britain. We're our good friend Rod Little

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01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:44,000
Speaker 2: as well as Rod. Morning to you.

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Speaker 10: Good morning mate.

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01:16:46,120 --> 01:16:49,280
Speaker 2: Keba or Carba. Chris the story and most of us

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01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:51,200
Speaker 2: won't know it. So he got shot?

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Speaker 21: Why well, this is one of those stories which could,

1595
01:16:57,040 --> 01:16:59,160
Speaker 21: if it turns out the wrong way, end up as

1596
01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:03,879
Speaker 21: being the cattle for enormous protest, enormous changed, enormous anger,

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Speaker 21: and it was a catalyst for enormous anger.

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Speaker 10: Initially, Chris Caver was twenty four years old. He lived

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Speaker 10: in North London and he was shot by the Metropolitan

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Speaker 10: Police when he tried to evade them trying to stop

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Speaker 10: his car, and he was supposedly unarmed at the time.

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01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:27,400
Speaker 10: This caused outrage in the black community of North London

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Speaker 10: and calls for the Metropolitan Police officer to be charged

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Speaker 10: with murder, which is what happened, and today we have

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Speaker 10: the verdict from that from that charge and the officer

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Speaker 10: was found not guilty. And gradually, of course, the backstory

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01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:48,519
Speaker 10: came out that Kava had tried to evade the car

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Speaker 10: on numerous occasions. He had several previous convictions, including being

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Speaker 10: linked to gun crime at a drive by shooting. He'd

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Speaker 10: been arrested for possessing a false firearm. He'd also been

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Speaker 10: arrested for domestic abuse. So this picture which we had

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01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:13,200
Speaker 10: painted by his local community of Chris cabrasby an absolutely

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01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:16,840
Speaker 10: top bloke, upstanding member of the community who had a

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Speaker 10: lot of potential, slightly modified by the time we came

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01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:25,920
Speaker 10: to hear what happened, and pleased to say that the

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Speaker 10: Metropolitan Police officer will now resume his duties immediately tomorrow morning,

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Speaker 10: having been accelerated.

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Speaker 2: Having watched the video, they obviously knew who they were chasing,

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01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:38,920
Speaker 2: and they knew his gun crime background, and therefore, because

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01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:41,880
Speaker 2: it seemed to escalate extremely fast, that was their defense

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Speaker 2: in court.

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Speaker 10: Yes it did, Yes it did, And I think that's

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Speaker 10: what came out in court as well, much as did

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Speaker 10: testimony from other police officers who were at the scene

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Speaker 10: and who said that had had this particular officer I've

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Speaker 10: shot him, then they would have done because they feared

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Speaker 10: that he posed a diar res threat to the life

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Speaker 10: of other police officers and indeed to other people in

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Speaker 10: the surrounding area. And you know, this was twenty twenty two,

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01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:11,760
Speaker 10: this happened, so we were just coming out of the

1631
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Speaker 10: tale of the Black Lives Matter movement and George Floyd,

1632
01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:19,800
Speaker 10: and there was a lot of high feeling at the time.

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01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:22,559
Speaker 10: And as ever was that sort of high high feeling

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01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:28,080
Speaker 10: and fury, it turned itself into a witchhunt against this

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01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:31,800
Speaker 10: particular police officer. Obviously it's a tragedy that Chris Caver

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01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:35,080
Speaker 10: was shot. Obviously he had something to do with that,

1637
01:19:35,200 --> 01:19:36,080
Speaker 10: shooting himself.

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01:19:36,200 --> 01:19:38,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. How much covered you have you got with

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01:19:39,080 --> 01:19:42,480
Speaker 2: Charles and the Senator Lydia Thorpe yesterday in Australia.

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01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:49,599
Speaker 10: Yeah, we love Lydia Thorpe. She's great. Everywhere Charles goes.

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01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:54,280
Speaker 10: Now there are protests about colonialism, they are rarely as

1642
01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:59,040
Speaker 10: shrill or as illiterate as those which were revealed by

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01:19:59,240 --> 01:20:03,720
Speaker 10: Ludia Thorpe in Australia, and I think is what has

1644
01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:07,240
Speaker 10: actually gone down incredibly well with the British public is

1645
01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:12,719
Speaker 10: a degree to which the Australians kind of gathered together

1646
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:16,879
Speaker 10: to say, look, this really isn't on. And that included

1647
01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:19,800
Speaker 10: a large number of people, of course, who want Australia

1648
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:22,679
Speaker 10: to be a republic rather than a monarchy of the King.

1649
01:20:22,760 --> 01:20:25,760
Speaker 10: Charles and I think the Prime Minister summed it up

1650
01:20:25,800 --> 01:20:28,559
Speaker 10: when he said, you know, this man has been suffering

1651
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:30,920
Speaker 10: from cancer, travels all this way to talk to us,

1652
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:33,320
Speaker 10: and that's not the way to talk to him. That

1653
01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:38,320
Speaker 10: that kind of common decency scene goes down very very

1654
01:20:38,360 --> 01:20:40,760
Speaker 10: well indeed with the British public. And I think that

1655
01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:45,000
Speaker 10: has been a bit lapped up. And Lydia's orbe is

1656
01:20:45,439 --> 01:20:48,920
Speaker 10: it is playing quite widely. It's it's you know, the

1657
01:20:48,920 --> 01:20:51,040
Speaker 10: front pages of two or three of the newspapers at

1658
01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:55,519
Speaker 10: the moment, though we are in a peculiar kind of

1659
01:20:56,080 --> 01:20:58,400
Speaker 10: late summer here where nothing much else.

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01:20:58,240 --> 01:21:02,400
Speaker 2: Is happening interesting do they? And it was before he left,

1661
01:21:02,479 --> 01:21:05,720
Speaker 2: But this whole business of a broad based apology for

1662
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:10,439
Speaker 2: slavery many years ago, is there a thing that will

1663
01:21:10,439 --> 01:21:13,160
Speaker 2: ever come to anything more than a headline before he

1664
01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:14,720
Speaker 2: goes and travels anywhere or not.

1665
01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:19,360
Speaker 10: I think not. I think not. And the Foreign Secretary

1666
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:23,320
Speaker 10: David Lammy, God, it still causes me pain in the

1667
01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:26,400
Speaker 10: heart to say those words. But the Foreign Secretary David

1668
01:21:26,439 --> 01:21:32,520
Speaker 10: Lammy lasked six years ago for Britain to pay reparations

1669
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:36,439
Speaker 10: to the Caribbean countries for slavery, and indeed, in two

1670
01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:40,560
Speaker 10: thousand and nine called for the British government to apologize

1671
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:43,080
Speaker 10: to all black people in the country, which would of

1672
01:21:43,080 --> 01:21:47,200
Speaker 10: course involve David apologizing to himself as he is part

1673
01:21:47,240 --> 01:21:53,800
Speaker 10: of the government. And it's not got any traction and interestingly,

1674
01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:57,880
Speaker 10: it hasn't got any traction with Sakia Starmer, who is

1675
01:21:57,920 --> 01:21:59,920
Speaker 10: a man who was prepared if you remember to go

1676
01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:03,040
Speaker 10: down on one knee with Angela Rainer. I don't think

1677
01:22:03,080 --> 01:22:06,960
Speaker 10: there is any appetite for it, and in a way

1678
01:22:07,240 --> 01:22:09,720
Speaker 10: I'm quite in favor of it, because if you have

1679
01:22:09,880 --> 01:22:13,280
Speaker 10: to dig down and look at the causes of slavery

1680
01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:17,920
Speaker 10: and who was particularly culpable without slavery, I think you

1681
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:21,360
Speaker 10: would on earth a can of worms, which perhaps those

1682
01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:24,479
Speaker 10: who are demanding it to happen I wouldn't expect.

1683
01:22:24,680 --> 01:22:26,280
Speaker 2: I think you're quite right well then Mike will catch

1684
01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:28,640
Speaker 2: up on Thursday. As always Roderick Little out of the

1685
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:32,120
Speaker 2: mighty UK for us this morning, sixteen to night the.

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Speaker 1: Mike Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered by

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Speaker 2: It'd be cannot tell you thirteen away from that, by

1689
01:22:39,680 --> 01:22:41,240
Speaker 2: the way, can't tell you how many texts we've got

1690
01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:43,920
Speaker 2: this morning along the lines of as regards the guys

1691
01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:47,800
Speaker 2: on the roof, hosing them, leaving them there, not giving

1692
01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:50,800
Speaker 2: them food, not giving them cigarettes. Certainly no getaway car,

1693
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:55,400
Speaker 2: latest one helicopter with a monsoon bucket. Interesting approach. Back

1694
01:22:55,439 --> 01:22:57,680
Speaker 2: to these wages. Seventy two hundred and fifteen is the

1695
01:22:57,720 --> 01:23:00,400
Speaker 2: average wage in this country. This is out this morning.

1696
01:23:00,439 --> 01:23:02,400
Speaker 2: Executive in general management, you'll get an average of one

1697
01:23:02,439 --> 01:23:04,400
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty one thousand, six hundred and fifty three.

1698
01:23:04,439 --> 01:23:06,479
Speaker 2: This is just in comparison to the public service. If

1699
01:23:06,479 --> 01:23:08,920
Speaker 2: you got yourself a bit exercised about it, all it

1700
01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:12,880
Speaker 2: one hundred and nine thousand, Banking, finance and insurance ninety

1701
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:16,879
Speaker 2: seven thousand, So you're below the threshold, the six figure threshold.

1702
01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:17,120
Speaker 15: There.

1703
01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:21,639
Speaker 2: Customer service wages below the average customer service sixty grand,

1704
01:23:21,640 --> 01:23:26,320
Speaker 2: HOSPO and Tourism sixty two, Manufacturing Operation sixty four. Average

1705
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:29,839
Speaker 2: Capital once again wins the prize at seventy six thousand

1706
01:23:29,880 --> 01:23:32,160
Speaker 2: Smidje over seventy six thousand nine average, So you earn

1707
01:23:32,240 --> 01:23:33,880
Speaker 2: more in the capitol than you were in the country

1708
01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:36,240
Speaker 2: Auckland seventy five thousand and four and twenty. See the

1709
01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:38,360
Speaker 2: capital is if you look at the cost of housing,

1710
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:40,679
Speaker 2: so your biggest cost in life is your cost of housing.

1711
01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:43,759
Speaker 2: The cost of housing in Wellington is but a fraction

1712
01:23:44,439 --> 01:23:46,840
Speaker 2: of the cost of housing in Auckland, so not only

1713
01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:49,880
Speaker 2: are you earning more, you're paying out less, so in

1714
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:51,800
Speaker 2: other words, you quids in and that's before you get

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Speaker 2: to a targo, which is the third highest average wage

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01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:57,400
Speaker 2: in the country at seventy two thousand. And the cost

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01:23:57,439 --> 01:24:00,880
Speaker 2: of housing in Dunedin is nothing. Transported nothing because you

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01:24:00,920 --> 01:24:02,640
Speaker 2: live close to town, so you're close to town, so

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01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:06,160
Speaker 2: your transports nothing, you're housing's nothing, and you're earning good coin,

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01:24:06,520 --> 01:24:09,439
Speaker 2: which goes back to my age old argument. If you

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01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:13,040
Speaker 2: can earn that sort of money on average and doing

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Speaker 2: one of those jobs where you could do it here

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01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:16,840
Speaker 2: where you wanted, why wouldn't you go to a place

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01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:20,960
Speaker 2: like Otargo and earn good money and pay little and

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01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:24,120
Speaker 2: feel wealthier and more satisfied than you would elsewhere around

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01:24:24,120 --> 01:24:26,720
Speaker 2: the country. Mike, disappointing. You haven't got around to talking

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01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:29,599
Speaker 2: about Trump talking about Nicholson's penis for thirteen minutes straight,

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01:24:30,120 --> 01:24:33,640
Speaker 2: and this, unfortunately is the problem with the dissection of

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01:24:33,680 --> 01:24:35,920
Speaker 2: the media these days. Alan, thank you for your text.

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Speaker 2: When you say Nicholson, do you mean Nicholas.

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01:24:39,160 --> 01:24:40,559
Speaker 11: Or do you vet mean Anol Palmer?

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Speaker 2: And when you mean Nicholas, do you mean Arnold Palmer,

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01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:46,040
Speaker 2: which is in fact what Trump was indeed talking about.

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01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:49,320
Speaker 2: I don't know whether it was thirteen minutes long or not,

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01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:56,439
Speaker 2: but we did that yesterday. So wrong name, wrong golfer,

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01:24:57,600 --> 01:24:58,400
Speaker 2: wrong day.

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01:24:59,120 --> 01:25:05,240
Speaker 22: Wrong penis, the glen, the speeding ticket.

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01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:09,080
Speaker 2: So I got a ticket yesterday. First one boss comes

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01:25:09,080 --> 01:25:10,960
Speaker 2: straight and goes. I think it was the only teen

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01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:13,320
Speaker 2: years I remember, And it's not true. We couldn't find

1741
01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:15,000
Speaker 2: a single time I've got a speeding ticket anyway, so

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01:25:15,080 --> 01:25:16,720
Speaker 2: I think it's at least a decade since I've got

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01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:18,600
Speaker 2: a speeding ticket that arrives in the mail. Yesterday it

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01:25:18,640 --> 01:25:21,880
Speaker 2: was from a camera and I was doing in a

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01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:25,840
Speaker 2: one hundred k zone. I was doing one hundred and

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01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:33,400
Speaker 2: seven one hundred and seven k's And to get me

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01:25:33,479 --> 01:25:36,680
Speaker 2: on now, the significance of the one hundred k's is

1748
01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:40,160
Speaker 2: this was on a road of national significance, the very

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01:25:40,360 --> 01:25:43,719
Speaker 2: road that they are going to about to have already

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01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:46,320
Speaker 2: announced they want to make one hundred and twenty, So

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01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:49,519
Speaker 2: the very same road that it could be tomorrow, they

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01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:52,160
Speaker 2: make the speed limit one hundred and twenty, and yet

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01:25:52,160 --> 01:25:54,360
Speaker 2: at one hundred and seven on one day now, obviously

1754
01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:56,760
Speaker 2: at the moment it's one hundred, I was breaking the law.

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01:25:57,000 --> 01:25:59,080
Speaker 2: I will pay the fine. I'm not complaining about that

1756
01:25:59,080 --> 01:26:02,320
Speaker 2: because the finds that dollars. It's a joke. So does

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01:26:02,439 --> 01:26:05,760
Speaker 2: the fine make me want to go less than one

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01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:08,599
Speaker 2: hundred and seven? No, because the difference between a one

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01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:10,840
Speaker 2: hundred and one hundred and seven is so fin it

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01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:13,439
Speaker 2: happens in such a split second. I might have been

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01:26:13,479 --> 01:26:15,080
Speaker 2: going ninety seven to one hundred and seven, to one

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01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:16,280
Speaker 2: hundred and two to one hundred and one to one

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01:26:16,360 --> 01:26:18,679
Speaker 2: hundred and three, just bang, bang bang. That's how speed

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01:26:18,680 --> 01:26:20,960
Speaker 2: works on the road. So does it change anything, does

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01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:23,720
Speaker 2: it achieve anything? Not at all? And on a road

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01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:26,040
Speaker 2: that will be very shortly one hundred and twenty k's. Anyway,

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01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:28,960
Speaker 2: I'm doing thirteen k's less than what the road should do.

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01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:31,400
Speaker 2: And yet they still have the resource to have a

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01:26:31,439 --> 01:26:33,880
Speaker 2: person by the side of the road with his camera

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01:26:34,120 --> 01:26:36,800
Speaker 2: pointing at the cars and then sending me out a

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01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:37,639
Speaker 2: thirty dollar ticket.

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01:26:37,640 --> 01:26:39,040
Speaker 11: I don't think he's a person involved.

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01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:41,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was. I saw him. He was standing at

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01:26:41,320 --> 01:26:42,800
Speaker 2: the back of the car, and he had his gun

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01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:45,360
Speaker 2: and he was staring at people click click click click click,

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01:26:45,400 --> 01:26:47,000
Speaker 2: And I thought, I wonder if he got me. As

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01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:49,120
Speaker 2: I drove past him, I thought, I wonder if he

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01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:51,320
Speaker 2: got me, And sure enough he did. At a full

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01:26:51,439 --> 01:26:53,800
Speaker 2: hundred and seven k's, I hit the brake.

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01:26:55,320 --> 01:26:56,720
Speaker 11: Wow, it's too late then, isn't there.

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01:26:57,160 --> 01:26:59,120
Speaker 2: Clearly I've got the piece of pay. But I mean,

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01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:00,800
Speaker 2: come on, surely we've bit of things to do with

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01:27:00,840 --> 01:27:04,559
Speaker 2: that time. Night Away from nine.

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01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:08,719
Speaker 1: The Mike Hosking breakfast with Vida Retirement Community News togs

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01:27:08,760 --> 01:27:09,240
Speaker 1: had been.

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01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:11,880
Speaker 2: No Hermass suggested this morning, it's not going to reveal

1787
01:27:11,920 --> 01:27:14,519
Speaker 2: the name of the new leader for security reasons. Probably

1788
01:27:14,520 --> 01:27:16,400
Speaker 2: wise they're going to I don't know why they're waiting

1789
01:27:16,479 --> 01:27:19,240
Speaker 2: till much They're waiting till much next year, or they

1790
01:27:19,240 --> 01:27:20,960
Speaker 2: put an ad on SIK or something like that, and

1791
01:27:21,040 --> 01:27:23,120
Speaker 2: just see who see who applies. Mike, does your car

1792
01:27:23,200 --> 01:27:25,240
Speaker 2: have cruise control? Yes it does, but no one uses

1793
01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:29,720
Speaker 2: cruise control? I know you do, Glee. Yes, I keep

1794
01:27:29,720 --> 01:27:30,080
Speaker 2: forgetting that.

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01:27:30,120 --> 01:27:31,919
Speaker 11: When you say no one you mean me exactly.

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01:27:32,320 --> 01:27:35,920
Speaker 2: I mean Glenn sits it at ninety seven just to

1797
01:27:35,960 --> 01:27:38,519
Speaker 2: piss everybody off. Five minutes away from nine.

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01:27:38,920 --> 01:27:43,040
Speaker 1: Trending now with Chemist Wells keeping Kiwi's.

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01:27:42,680 --> 01:27:43,920
Speaker 20: Healthy all year round.

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01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:49,320
Speaker 2: McDonald's Trump huge coverage. Jim Gaffigan from the Elsmith Dinner.

1801
01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:53,880
Speaker 2: If you're Fox or Musk, then it's great publicity. CNN, MBS, NBC.

1802
01:27:54,080 --> 01:27:57,120
Speaker 2: They think he's done himself a lot of harm. The

1803
01:27:57,200 --> 01:28:01,679
Speaker 2: left wing podcasters they're trying to claim it's the actual

1804
01:28:01,680 --> 01:28:03,040
Speaker 2: photo of itself was phony.

1805
01:28:03,560 --> 01:28:07,400
Speaker 18: The policy arguments he's making our phony. It wasn't actually

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Speaker 18: McDonald's that was open.

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01:28:09,080 --> 01:28:11,960
Speaker 11: They'd closed it down. Here's the message that they had

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01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:16,160
Speaker 11: on the store letting customers know they're to be closed

1809
01:28:16,160 --> 01:28:17,800
Speaker 11: that day to have Donald Trump come through.

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01:28:18,240 --> 01:28:22,160
Speaker 2: So there you go, it's closed. McDonald's not real, Well,

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01:28:22,200 --> 01:28:26,320
Speaker 2: it was real. It was a real McDonald's. Anyway, carried on.

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01:28:26,479 --> 01:28:29,400
Speaker 23: They did rehearsals, before it took place. They brought in

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01:28:29,720 --> 01:28:32,720
Speaker 23: all of their magas supporters to pretend that they were

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01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:36,519
Speaker 23: actual customers at this McDonald's which was closed down. We

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01:28:36,560 --> 01:28:41,080
Speaker 23: also identified that this specific McDonald's is actually owned by

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01:28:41,200 --> 01:28:48,000
Speaker 23: a franchise owner who has fought against raising the minimum wage.

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01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:52,800
Speaker 2: You realize they're all franchise owners. They were all individually owned,

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01:28:53,280 --> 01:28:55,879
Speaker 2: and of course it had to be closed. Former president

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01:28:56,040 --> 01:28:59,240
Speaker 2: was at the frying machine and you can carry guns,

1820
01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:03,200
Speaker 2: open guns, and Pennsylvania they didn't want somebody shooting the

1821
01:29:03,240 --> 01:29:06,640
Speaker 2: presidential candidate as they ordered their big mac. Actually on

1822
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:08,800
Speaker 2: television one last night, that got up my nose as well.

1823
01:29:09,560 --> 01:29:14,720
Speaker 2: They said, quote unquote Trump used the campaign appearance to claim,

1824
01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:18,040
Speaker 2: and this is where they went wrong, without evidence, that

1825
01:29:18,160 --> 01:29:20,519
Speaker 2: Carmla Harris lied about working at the fast food change

1826
01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:23,559
Speaker 2: during college. Now the problem with that, and they fell

1827
01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:26,160
Speaker 2: back into that age old thing. Let's cover ourselves off.

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01:29:26,400 --> 01:29:30,560
Speaker 2: If you haven't done anything like Krmala hasn't worked at McDonald's,

1829
01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:33,559
Speaker 2: there is no evidence to be gathered, is there. You

1830
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:36,519
Speaker 2: can't find evidence on something that didn't happen.

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01:29:37,200 --> 01:29:39,760
Speaker 11: So okay, let's get into this.

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01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:41,320
Speaker 2: No, we're going home now.

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01:29:41,320 --> 01:29:43,840
Speaker 22: Glenn Trump's facing it on the fact that she didn't

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01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:46,799
Speaker 22: include it on her her law degree resume.

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01:29:47,320 --> 01:29:48,960
Speaker 11: That's why he thinks that she didn't work.

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01:29:49,040 --> 01:29:50,639
Speaker 2: So do you reckon she did well?

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01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:54,519
Speaker 22: She says she did. He says he wasn't drinking and

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01:29:54,720 --> 01:29:55,640
Speaker 22: nobody racked them up.

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01:29:55,920 --> 01:29:58,920
Speaker 2: Are you a left wing podcaster? Go home at nineteen

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01:29:58,920 --> 01:30:00,679
Speaker 2: seventy Yeah, I think every days.

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01:30:04,720 --> 01:30:07,759
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