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Speaker 1: A scathing report has found significant failings with Canterbury mental

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Speaker 1: health services. Two psychiatric patients have murdered innocent people in

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Speaker 1: the community on two separate occasions. You had the case

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two when the hill Morton Hospital in

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Speaker 1: patients stabbed a woman outside her christ Church home while

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Speaker 1: he was out on community release. And then you had

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Speaker 1: October last year or another one of the mental health patients,

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Speaker 1: Elliot Cameron, murdered Fay Phelps in her garden. Phil Grady

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Speaker 1: is the National Director of Mental Health Service and Addictions

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Speaker 1: at Health New Zealand. I fell, hey, Heather, Phil, why

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Speaker 1: did your staff ignore Elliot Cameron's own warnings that he

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Speaker 1: was going to kill again?

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Speaker 2: Look, first and foremost, this is a tragic circumstance where

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Speaker 2: there has been two people killed in our community in Canterbury.

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Speaker 2: What I will say is that I can't talk about,

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Speaker 2: particularly around any findings related to Elliot Cameron because that

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Speaker 2: is part of a coronial inquiry.

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Speaker 1: Hold on, well, hold on, well, Why does a coronial

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Speaker 1: inquiry prevent you from talking about it?

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Speaker 2: Look, the crime has put a non publication order against

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Speaker 2: them the report. But what I will say report is

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Speaker 2: that the internal report that we did in that particular case.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so he said you can't they have said that

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Speaker 1: you can't publish that. But have they said you can't

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Speaker 1: talk about this at all?

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Speaker 2: So there is a you know, there's all of the

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Speaker 2: coronial requirements in relation to that. But what I can

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Speaker 2: talk about is I.

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Speaker 1: Just wanted to just explain to me just before we

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Speaker 1: move on. Explain to me. Are you telling me that

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Speaker 1: because of a coroner's order you cannot talk about this

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Speaker 1: case at all?

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Speaker 2: That That's why I'm telling you.

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Speaker 1: Year carry on then as you were, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so but look, today was released of the section

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Speaker 2: ninety nine report from doctor John Corsaw from the Ministry

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Speaker 2: of Health and look as Health New Zealand. Look, we

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Speaker 2: accept that the report has identifying favor in some of

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Speaker 2: the operation of the Canterbury Mental Health Service, except the

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Speaker 2: findings in full and certainly welcome doctor cores forward. Cool.

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Speaker 1: So what you're telling me is you agree with what

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Speaker 1: he says. So what he says is that you guys

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Speaker 1: do not have enough staff. And what makes that even

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Speaker 1: worse is that even though you know you do not

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Speaker 1: have enough stuff, for some reason, management just don't say

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Speaker 1: yes to hiring more staff. What's going on?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Look so at the time October, sorry June and

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, there were staffing issues, particularly in the

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Speaker 2: forensic Mental Health service. But what I want to say

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Speaker 2: to you is that the staffing of that service has increased,

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Speaker 2: so there are more staff on the ground running that service.

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Speaker 2: In fact, there are eleven percent more staff in that service,

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Speaker 2: six percent more staff in the whole iron increases in

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Speaker 2: the whole of Canterbury mental health services. Have you got

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Speaker 2: enough round more staff on the ground. Look, there is

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Speaker 2: that international challenges in recruiting mental health staff. They are

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Speaker 2: a key engine for operating a mental health services, a

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Speaker 2: service we're focusing really hard as a country, but also

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Speaker 2: in Canterbry around recruiting more psychiatrists and increasing that pipeline

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Speaker 2: and that we can always use more staff.

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Speaker 1: Okay, now listen, I think what we all want to

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Speaker 1: know about is the case obviously of Valiot Cameron and

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Speaker 1: faith Helps. So do you know when this publication order

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Speaker 1: is going to be lifted or when the coronial inquiry

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Speaker 1: is actually happening?

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Speaker 2: Look that the colonial inquirement. We know the coronial inquiry

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Speaker 2: process takes time, and I think hither behind your what

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Speaker 2: question is? I think there's questions around why this happened

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Speaker 2: and you know what learning there can be from it,

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Speaker 2: but I just can't talk about it and the coronial

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Speaker 2: process will work through. It's work through the coroner's process,

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Speaker 2: all right.

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Speaker 1: Phil, listen, thanks very much, look forward to hearing what

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Speaker 1: they've got to say at the coronial end. Phil Grady,

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Speaker 1: National Director of the Mental Health and Addictions Service in

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Speaker 1: Health New Zealand.

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