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Speaker 1: Pasca.

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Speaker 2: It was indeed as comedic as we had feared. If

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Speaker 2: you take a lot of bolts out of something that

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Speaker 2: is anchored to the ground, it will probably fall over.

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Speaker 2: This particular Northland power cock up was the fault of

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Speaker 2: contractor a maxim there incompetence cross the region. Somewhere between

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Speaker 2: sixty and eighty million dollars fung the redistrict Mayor Vince

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Speaker 2: Cocarillos with us. Vince morning to you. Hard to believe

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Speaker 2: we didn't want this is a comedy, isn't it. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you can't make the stuff up.

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Speaker 1: It does become quite humorous if you ever look at

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Speaker 1: it that way.

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Speaker 2: Yes, what are you going to do about the sixty

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Speaker 2: to eighty? Is there any way of getting that back?

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Speaker 2: I mean I was affected personally and maybe I don't

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Speaker 2: know what I would have lost twenty bucks or something,

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Speaker 2: so I'm not going to be bothered, and I suspect

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Speaker 2: most people are the same. Is there some way round

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Speaker 2: this or not?

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Speaker 1: Look, I was one of one of the questions went

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Speaker 1: through a trends of our last or last week and

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Speaker 1: also this week with the business community. We've had a

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Speaker 1: couple of businesses, well, one in particular now on Juper

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Speaker 1: initial lilit it and they lost between four hundred and

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Speaker 1: five hundred thousand dollars. So yeah, it's the bigger guys,

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Speaker 1: or just say the big companies. Sometimes they can wear it,

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Speaker 1: sometimes they can't, and in this situation, it's probably to

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Speaker 1: a point where they probably can't and a lot of

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Speaker 1: them are in that space. So Transpower basically said, you know,

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Speaker 1: we're going to have to take the brunt of this. However,

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Speaker 1: you've got to go through your own insurance company at

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Speaker 1: this present moment. So not all waiting to hear is

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Speaker 1: what is actually finding because I know that they've come

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Speaker 1: out and said, hey, it's the bolts coming out. However

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Speaker 1: the actual investigation onto on top of that will actually

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Speaker 1: come out and say, okay, where does where the insurance

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Speaker 1: companies go to when they try to make a claim.

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Speaker 2: Well, that'll be the company. That'll be the company that

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Speaker 2: employs the people who take the bolts out. Whyn't it

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Speaker 2: given that the people who take the bolts out made

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Speaker 2: the mistake and that's really obvious, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't want to throw assumptions out there just

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Speaker 1: at the moment. I prefer to make sure we get

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Speaker 1: everything right first.

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Speaker 2: But you talk about whether they can wear it or not.

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Speaker 2: They shouldn't have to where when there's this sort of

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Speaker 2: idiocy about the place, somebody needs to pay the price,

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Speaker 2: don't they.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Look, it could be other sides for the story

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Speaker 1: as well. For example, I.

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Speaker 2: Mean in its came along and took bolts out of

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Speaker 2: the bloody thing and it fell over.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Mike, but who was supervising?

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Speaker 2: Oh, for God's sake, somebody in charge. I mean, it's

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Speaker 2: all it's it's the people from the company that did it.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't matter who's supervising them. If you've got a

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Speaker 2: contract to maintain a tower and you go along take

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Speaker 2: the bolts out and the tower falls over, it's on you, right.

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Speaker 1: So let's let's say you've got a young apprentices there

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Speaker 1: and he's been told to do a job. Now he

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Speaker 1: hasn't been supervised, he hasn't been looked after. There could

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Speaker 1: be whole pose scenarios that we don't know about.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you know, duing compensation, en nottments, or do

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Speaker 2: you want to give the guy.

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Speaker 1: Look, look, the big thing is the contractors need to

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Speaker 1: take responsible. Absolutely, Transpout needs to take responsibility. For it

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Speaker 1: as well, and then they are. So what we've got

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Speaker 1: is we've got the wholeful of businesses that need to.

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Speaker 1: Some of them need to have compensations. Some of them,

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Speaker 1: you know, as you said, you know, twee dollars for yourself,

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Speaker 1: they don't. They don't need to. I do know that

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Speaker 1: some of the businesses in Sugata and Northland were actually okay,

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Speaker 1: some of them were not, and quite a few of

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Speaker 1: them were not. Should I actually say so those are

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Speaker 1: the ones that really do need to get some sort

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Speaker 1: of compensation. Some of them have got insurances and some

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Speaker 1: of their insurance packages will not cover no should but.

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Speaker 2: I mean the moment you claim on your insurance, your

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Speaker 2: premium goes up next to you, why are you putting

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Speaker 2: your premium up because some dick with a span it

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Speaker 2: went along and took too many nuts or bolts out.

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Speaker 1: And that's exactly right. So it's what we need to

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Speaker 1: find out is we've come up with them saying the

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Speaker 1: bolts have come out, the contracts take and done that. Fine. Sweet.

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Speaker 1: Now they're doing their own report to cover over who

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Speaker 1: actually takes the liability of it. And that's that's more

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Speaker 1: the bigger issue because we need to find out who

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Speaker 1: actually takes liability so the insurances can actually make claim

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Speaker 1: or actually so the businesses can actually make claims. Those

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Speaker 1: companies because Transpower, I know, North Power and top Enterity,

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Speaker 1: they worked out of the way to get Norton back

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Speaker 1: up and run again, and I know Victor did that

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Speaker 1: down in Auckland as well. Just keep them going. We're very,

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Speaker 1: very thankful that we had NASA up there which was

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Speaker 1: actually able to keep Morton going. If we'd had the

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Speaker 1: fast tracking in place, we would have had a battery

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Speaker 1: back down at Marston Point that would have also helped

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Speaker 1: out the situation. So the whole pile of things that

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Speaker 1: could have happened if we'd happened in the place, now

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Speaker 1: we haven't. So we're going to take.

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Speaker 2: Another learning, isn't it, I guess? But so I always

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Speaker 2: enjoy having you on the program. Appreciate very much. Vince Cocilla,

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Speaker 2: who's the funger Ray District mayor Christine Rank And there's

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