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Speaker 2: Hello youot to good afternoon and welcome into Weekend Sport

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Speaker 2: on News Talks EDB for Saturday, April twelve. Nice day

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Speaker 2: where the wyse up and down the country. I hope

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Speaker 2: it is where you are. I'm Jason Pine Bevan Duwa

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Speaker 2: show producer. Today we're here talking sport until three. Not

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Speaker 2: quite sure where to look. There is so much going on,

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Speaker 2: including of course the Masters at Augusta. Justin Rose with

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Speaker 2: after a one under second round. Bryson de Chambeau outright

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Speaker 2: are blistering six under sixty six, including an eagle at

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Speaker 2: at six under, alongside Courtry Connors who shot two under today.

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Speaker 2: Then a group of four golfers on five under, including

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Speaker 2: defending champions Scottie Cheflers so much in terms of possibility

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Speaker 2: for rounds three and four after one o'clock. What does

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Speaker 2: it take to win at Augusta? Steve Williams should know.

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Speaker 2: He caddied for Tiger Woods and Aaron Scott when they

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Speaker 2: won the Masters. He talks about the prestige of the

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Speaker 2: green jacket and what it takes to conquer Augusta. First

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Speaker 2: up today, though Cricket. For the first time ever, New

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Speaker 2: his contract expires in journey. He says, look, I don't

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: New Zealand Cricket haven't decided yet one way or the

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Speaker 2: the pros and cons of it? Will England have done it?

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Speaker 2: Brendan McCallum for a while was just red ball coach.

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Speaker 2: Now he's coach across red and white ball. So has

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Speaker 2: it worked for England pros and cons. As a say

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Speaker 2: English cricket writer Alie Martin on this soon begin to

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Speaker 2: get your views as well. Are you in favor of

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Speaker 2: this or not? Should we split our coaches between red

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Speaker 2: and white ball? And if we do, should Gary Stead

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Speaker 2: If we don't split, then Gary Stead falls out of

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Speaker 2: the reckoning who are the candidates to take over cricket?

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Speaker 2: Leading us off shortly including plenty of your thoughts other

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Speaker 2: matters around today. The Crusaders, The Crusaders, you're back, You

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Speaker 2: are back top of the Super Rugby table thirty one

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Speaker 2: twenty four when over the Hurricanes last night. Then the

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Speaker 2: Chiefs going down remarkably to the Warratars, who have been

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Speaker 2: terrible the last two weeks, well not terrible, but certainly

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Speaker 2: They turn into a different team in Sydney, don't though,

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Speaker 2: the Warriors as they beat the Chiefs twenty one to

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Speaker 2: fourteen last night. Crusaders head coach Rob Penny with us

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Speaker 2: after two as his side sits proudly at the top

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Speaker 2: of the table Super Rugby Opicky final tonight at Eden Park,

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Speaker 2: defending champion Blues against the twenty twenty three winners Much

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Speaker 2: two five past seven. Kendra Cox edg's going to preview

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Speaker 2: that one for us and around about the same time,

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Speaker 2: Auckland FC look to extend their lead at the top

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Speaker 2: of the A League means for fall out of back

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Speaker 2: to six points. They play Sydney FC in Sydney seven

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Speaker 2: o'clock kick off. Head coach Steve Corriker is on the

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Speaker 2: show after two as well. Adam Peacock, speaking of Australia

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Speaker 2: Out of Australia in his regular slot Live Sport while

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Speaker 2: we're on the air, will keep an eye on the

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Speaker 2: supercars in Topoor. The Kiwis continue to fly after andre

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Speaker 2: Heimgartner and Ryan Woods at the fastest pace in the

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Speaker 2: opening practice sessions yesterday, Matt Payne topping the time sheets

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Speaker 2: and qualifying for the first race of the weekend. It

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Speaker 2: minutes away. Matt Payne's hot lap of one minute twenty

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Speaker 2: and Kostecki has claimed pole for today's second race, so

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Speaker 2: Chaz Mosterd is there paints the best of the locals

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Speaker 2: News Talk said, and so to cricket. As mentioned for

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Speaker 2: the first time in eight years, New Zealand Cricket is

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Speaker 2: seeking a new black Caps coach, but just which teams

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Speaker 2: newcomer will take control of is yet to be determined.

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Speaker 2: Incumbent Gary Stead has stepped down from his white ball duties.

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Speaker 2: His contract expires in June, but he is still contemplating

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Speaker 2: as Test coach. Now whether or not that's even an

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Speaker 2: option remains to be seen. New Zealand Cricket haven't yet

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Speaker 2: committed to staying with an all format coach or splitting

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Speaker 2: time ever. New Zealand Cricket's Head of High Performance, Brian

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Speaker 2: Stronik said this week the ultimate goal was to get

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Speaker 2: South Africa also make use of split coaches for their

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Speaker 2: different setups. So what are the pros and cons? Is

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Speaker 2: Let's bring in leading English cricket writer from The Guardian,

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Speaker 2: some generic pros and cons, shall we. So let's start

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Speaker 2: with the pros the benefits. What are the benefits of

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Speaker 6: I think in England's experience, what they found, but particularly

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Speaker 6: I think in other advantages you can bring in specialism

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Speaker 5: More of the talent pool around the world and be.

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Speaker 6: A slightly more attractive proposition, so that that particular coach

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Speaker 5: So that was certainly.

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Speaker 6: England's thinking when they split it with McCullum and Mott.

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Speaker 2: All right, So those are the pros. Let's talk about

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Speaker 2: the cons conversely, what are the downsides, Ellie of split coaches.

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Speaker 6: Well, the cons are that, well, yeah, with with split

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Speaker 5: And extremely good communication.

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Speaker 6: Another pitfall what we saw and a good example was

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Speaker 6: I mean the way England and their schedule is mapped

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Speaker 2: So England have gone to split coaches twice and come

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Speaker 5: You know, a Test match would finish on.

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Speaker 6: So it really was a kind of pragmatic view that

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Speaker 5: So we saw in that instance that it did work initially.

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Speaker 6: I think what's happened subsequently is that the fixture congestion

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Speaker 4: A little bit.

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Speaker 6: We're actually seeing it might only be a week or

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Speaker 5: And I think with England.

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Speaker 5: But it was kind of inevitable. I think looking at

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Speaker 2: Indeed, I just began to get your view on something

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it probably is the right approach. I

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Speaker 2: Asp all right, we'll keep our fingers crossed for that,

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Speaker 2: as well, Eli, I think you probably deserve them. Thanks

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Speaker 4: Mate.

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Speaker 2: We'll do it again soon. Lovely cheers, Jason, No, thank you, Ellie.

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Speaker 2: Ali Martin. There are from The Guardian in England with

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Speaker 2: And on this topic, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty,

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Speaker 8: were at the top and we slid down, and then

437
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Speaker 8: we have good achievement over India and we expected to

438
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Speaker 8: do pretty well against the English which we didn't do

439
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Speaker 8: too well. And if he's going to take the test team,

440
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Speaker 8: I think, you know, pay four tests, what would be satisfied?

441
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Speaker 8: You know, four tests as long as we get the

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Speaker 8: good weather. I would say probably two, when two out

443
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Speaker 8: of four, definitely one. It'd be very disappointed if he

444
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Speaker 8: lost a lot. If we went to Australia and we've

445
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Speaker 8: beat to Australia when last time we had a test

446
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Speaker 8: here we lost three. Now and I feel though Stead

447
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Speaker 8: blamed the hot weather. Well, he's just got to cope

448
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Speaker 8: with that. He blamed the hot weather when we lost

449
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Speaker 8: the three tests. That's when Ferguson went over there. Oh

450
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Speaker 8: we wanted herm and the Test team and he boke

451
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Speaker 8: down with the calf injury.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I can't remember. I can't remember Gary Steed

453
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Speaker 2: blaming the weather over there. I think the main problem,

454
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Speaker 2: and I don't know whether Gary Stead brought it up

455
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Speaker 2: or not, was that we didn't have any warm up

456
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Speaker 2: games over there. I mean, that's the liar really. That

457
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Speaker 2: Test series was so disappointing, Arthur. When we went off

458
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Speaker 2: to Australia off the back of I think England had

459
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Speaker 2: come here back end of twenty nineteen would play well

460
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Speaker 2: against them, and there was this huge anticipation around a

461
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Speaker 2: boxing day test. You know, we hadn't had one for

462
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Speaker 2: ages and the team was in a pretty good space.

463
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Speaker 2: And you're right. We went over there and got beaten

464
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Speaker 2: soundly by over two hundred runs and all three test matches.

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Speaker 2: It was an extremely disappointing Test series and probably I

466
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Speaker 2: don't know, I wonder whether Gary Stead still has that

467
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Speaker 2: as an itch that he wants to scratch, you know,

468
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Speaker 2: and it may may be he doesn't get the opportunity

469
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Speaker 2: because if they don't split the coaches, then he's gone

470
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Speaker 2: right and he doesn't want to do the white ball

471
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Speaker 2: stuff anymore. And I think that's probably the right decision.

472
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Speaker 2: The only way Gary Stead stays is if New Zealand

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Speaker 2: Cricket decided to split the coaching roles.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I guess wait and see whether they do, Arthur,

476
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Speaker 2: I guess we wait and see what they decide. Thanks

477
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Speaker 2: for your call, mate, eight hundred eighty ten eighty So yeah,

478
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Speaker 2: double barrel question, really should we split them pros and cons?

479
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Speaker 2: It might be that you think, actually, we keep it

480
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Speaker 2: the way it is. It's it's you know, it's the

481
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Speaker 2: exception rather than the rule around the world and even England,

482
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Speaker 2: who have tried it a couple of times have come back.

483
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Speaker 2: Imagine if Brnda McCullum was available, we'd take them in

484
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Speaker 2: a hartbey, wouldn't we. Twelve thirty News Talks head Beat Dallas.

485
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Speaker 2: Please hold with you after this speeline if you want

486
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Speaker 2: to jump aboard. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

487
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Speaker 2: nine two ninety two one text We're back in a moment.

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Speaker 2: On Newstalk's head.

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Speaker 1: Bet it's more than just a game. Weekend sport It

490
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Speaker 1: with Jason Pine and GJ. Garnomes, New Zealand's most trusted

491
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Speaker 1: home builder, News Talks.

492
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Speaker 2: AB News Talks a B twenty seven to one talking

493
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Speaker 2: cricket splitting the white and Red ball coaching jobs. Should

494
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Speaker 2: we do it? And if we do? Who are the candidates?

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Speaker 9: Hello, Dallas, Hi Blanny. It's a good discussion. I think

496
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Speaker 9: I just agree with you. I think the the codes

497
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Speaker 9: the Whiteboorn and Red Bull are merging. I don't think

498
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Speaker 9: that differition under Brendon McCullum, his influence, especially like he

499
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Speaker 9: would coach test cricket batsman the same as whiteboard batsman.

500
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Speaker 9: In other words, every boar It's trinity scored four.

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Speaker 2: So I think he'd say six. He'd say six, Dallas,

502
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Speaker 2: But no, but you're right. And when he was appointed

503
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Speaker 2: as Red Bull coach, I think most of us said, well,

504
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Speaker 2: if they were going to give him either the either

505
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Speaker 2: the red or the white, the white seems more appropriate

506
00:24:39,427 --> 00:24:40,267
Speaker 2: for Bears, didn't it.

507
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Speaker 9: Yeah, but testh cricket is merging, like we're getting three

508
00:24:44,707 --> 00:24:48,587
Speaker 9: day four day results now in teth Crickett, right, Yep,

509
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Speaker 9: it's merging the whole thing is emerging into I think

510
00:24:53,347 --> 00:24:55,907
Speaker 9: in the future there will just be good cricketers and

511
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Speaker 9: bad cricketers in a play in all formats.

512
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Speaker 2: Such an interesting thought. Yeah, well but so okay, So

513
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Speaker 2: you'd be in favor of of sticking with the status

514
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Speaker 2: quo in terms of a one person in charge of

515
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Speaker 2: all of our teams. So that's not going to be

516
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Speaker 2: Gary Stead because he said I'm not interested in the

517
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Speaker 2: in the white ball stuff anymore so so so, I

518
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Speaker 2: mean Rob Walter is the one who's been talked about.

519
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Speaker 2: He coached Otago and CD, he's been white ball coach

520
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Speaker 2: with South Africa for a little while. He stood down

521
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Speaker 2: from that. He is, I guess the guy they're talking

522
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Speaker 2: about the most.

523
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Speaker 10: Who else is there?

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Speaker 2: Well, that's that's the question I'm throwing out. Look, there's

525
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Speaker 2: any number of names that you can say, right, okay,

526
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Speaker 2: here's a name, Stephen Fleming. But would Stephen Fleming want

527
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Speaker 2: the job? I doubt he would?

528
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Speaker 4: Right?

529
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Speaker 11: What about the Tory at least.

530
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Speaker 2: Tied up with Australia, isn't it. But again, I mean

531
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Speaker 2: there's no bad idea here. Look, Daniel Vittry would be

532
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Speaker 2: a terrific coach of both white and red ball. You know, well,

533
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Speaker 2: we know what he did in the in the Test arena,

534
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Speaker 2: he was our best ever spinner white ball. He's had,

535
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Speaker 2: he's had, you know, some success there. I think he

536
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Speaker 2: might have even been in an IPL team for a while.

537
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Speaker 2: Daniel Forry would be a great a great candidate if

538
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Speaker 2: he was interested. And that's that's Dallas is whether they're

539
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Speaker 2: interested or not.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, Piney, what about left field? Bringing Waggers and Wagner.

541
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Speaker 9: I reckon he'd be a good future coach.

542
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Speaker 12: You know.

543
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Speaker 2: Look, I mean, well, you'd certainly want to run through

544
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Speaker 2: a brick wall for the guy, wouldn't you. You wouldn't

545
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Speaker 2: want to disappoint Neil Wagner. Whether it's whether it's something

546
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Speaker 2: that he's interested in or not. I mean, he might,

547
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Speaker 2: I'm not sure he's got the I'm not sure he's

548
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Speaker 2: got the got the the Badgers or whatever it is

549
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Speaker 2: that you need to coach a team. But maybe that's

550
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Speaker 2: not important. If he just if he just rucked his

551
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Speaker 2: team up every time they went out to bowl or bat,

552
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Speaker 2: maybe he's.

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Speaker 9: Your man, ok, Bunny, Yeah, good on.

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Speaker 2: Good on your Dallas, appreciate your call. Eight hundred and

555
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Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty is our number, Mark High here are

556
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Speaker 2: you good? Thanks? Make good?

557
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Speaker 13: The question I've got about splitting the coaches is there

558
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Speaker 13: enough test match cricket for coach to earn enough money

559
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Speaker 13: to do the job.

560
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Speaker 2: The money is an interesting part in itself as well. Mark,

561
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Speaker 2: I'll answer you a question in a minute with some

562
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Speaker 2: with what we've got coming up. But the money is interesting.

563
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Speaker 2: Let's say I don't know, this is just an arbitrary figure.

564
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Speaker 2: I don't know what Garry Steed's getting paid. But let's

565
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Speaker 2: say he's getting paid four hundred grand. Let's just say

566
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Speaker 2: I don't know that's true or not. Let's say it's

567
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Speaker 2: four hundred. So do you give what kind of caliber

568
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Speaker 2: are you going to get for someone who just does

569
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Speaker 2: test and just does whiteball A four hundred your budget?

570
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Speaker 2: Are you going to get two half as good coaches

571
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Speaker 2: for two hundred each?

572
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Speaker 13: Yes, exactly. Well that's at one point and the other

573
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Speaker 13: part of it, as far as test matches go, und

574
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Speaker 13: Cricket's going to decide whether they're going to actually be

575
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Speaker 13: serious about test matches. And you're hit on it before

576
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Speaker 13: with the previous caller sending a team to Australia to

577
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Speaker 13: play the boxing Day test with no warmap games. They're

578
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Speaker 13: obviously not taking it seriously.

579
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Speaker 2: Very good point in terms of what they've got coming

580
00:27:54,267 --> 00:27:57,507
Speaker 2: up there is, actually there are a few test matches

581
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Speaker 2: coming up over the next two years. Three are sorry,

582
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Speaker 2: two in Zimbabwe, three at home in December against the

583
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Speaker 2: West Indiast, three in England next June, then into your

584
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Speaker 2: hair for two and then four in Australia. So over

585
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Speaker 2: the next two years there are actually quite a few

586
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Speaker 2: test matches to negotiate, and some and some hot tickets

587
00:28:14,987 --> 00:28:17,307
Speaker 2: as well. You know, four tests in Australia. Maybe we

588
00:28:17,347 --> 00:28:20,227
Speaker 2: can right the wrongs of twenty nineteen twenty twenty mark

589
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Speaker 2: and actually have some warm up games for starters.

590
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Speaker 13: Well, then that's the key. They've got to take it serious.

591
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Speaker 13: They've got to send it a worthwhile team. And that's

592
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Speaker 13: one of the problems with that is you've got to

593
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Speaker 13: have all your players available, not screaming in India and

594
00:28:35,227 --> 00:28:38,467
Speaker 13: the IPL and such light. But they'll also send them prepared.

595
00:28:38,987 --> 00:28:40,867
Speaker 13: Give them the tools, they will perform. But if you

596
00:28:40,867 --> 00:28:42,147
Speaker 13: don't give them the tools, they won't.

597
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

598
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Speaker 2: No, it's a very good rule of thumb. Mark a

599
00:28:45,467 --> 00:28:47,027
Speaker 2: very good rule of thumb for god bl is not

600
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Speaker 2: going to stop these guys playing. But what is is

601
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Speaker 2: participation in the likes of the South African Tea twenty

602
00:28:52,427 --> 00:28:56,227
Speaker 2: competition which has kept Came Williamson and Devin Conway away

603
00:28:56,227 --> 00:28:59,867
Speaker 2: from Central contracts. Of course this year and again next summer,

604
00:29:01,107 --> 00:29:04,787
Speaker 2: there is no test cricket after Christmas. I really missed

605
00:29:04,787 --> 00:29:07,947
Speaker 2: it this year, you know, January, February, March into April.

606
00:29:08,267 --> 00:29:10,107
Speaker 2: We're so used to seeing the white clothing and the

607
00:29:10,107 --> 00:29:12,427
Speaker 2: red ball, aren't we? Not any of it this year

608
00:29:12,587 --> 00:29:15,267
Speaker 2: and none of it next year either. The West Indies

609
00:29:15,267 --> 00:29:20,387
Speaker 2: are here before Christmas, nothing after Christmas. It's not until

610
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Speaker 2: we get to that four Test series in Australia back

611
00:29:23,347 --> 00:29:26,107
Speaker 2: end of twenty six into twenty seven that we're going

612
00:29:26,107 --> 00:29:29,787
Speaker 2: to see New Zealand play test cricket after Christmas. Twenty

613
00:29:29,827 --> 00:29:31,507
Speaker 2: twenty seven is going to be the next opportunity and

614
00:29:31,507 --> 00:29:33,147
Speaker 2: it's not even going to be here, It's going to

615
00:29:33,147 --> 00:29:35,587
Speaker 2: be in Australia anyway. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten

616
00:29:35,707 --> 00:29:39,547
Speaker 2: eighty is our number. Talking splitting the coaches spear line.

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Speaker 2: If you want to jump aboard, Hello.

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Speaker 14: Craig good A, Jason, how are you very good?

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Speaker 2: Craig very good.

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Speaker 15: Good.

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Speaker 14: I've got a couple of points. One of them just

622
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Speaker 14: made money that that will be the deciding factor. I

623
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Speaker 14: think I'm splitting the coaches. I think money is the

624
00:29:54,547 --> 00:29:57,227
Speaker 14: big the big thing once you know the budget and

625
00:29:57,267 --> 00:29:59,667
Speaker 14: then whether it's going to be financially viable for someone

626
00:29:59,707 --> 00:30:06,667
Speaker 14: to only do one or two of the formats. But

627
00:30:06,787 --> 00:30:12,147
Speaker 14: what I did want to say, particularly on the guy

628
00:30:12,227 --> 00:30:15,267
Speaker 14: you interviewed previously, one hundred percent agree with what he

629
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Speaker 14: said about the the T twenty is the outlier. Yeah,

630
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Speaker 14: I totally agree. If you look at let's take batting

631
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Speaker 14: for example, if you look at I'll give you four names.

632
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Speaker 14: If you look at Tom Latham, Kane Williamson, William perhaps

633
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Speaker 14: Devin Conway. I wouldn't have any of those four of

634
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Speaker 14: my T twenty team. I'd definitely have all four of

635
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Speaker 14: them in the one day team and in the in

636
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Speaker 14: the Test team. So I definitely think that the T

637
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Speaker 14: twenty is the outlier. And then you can get a

638
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Speaker 14: bowling and I also think someone like East T twenty

639
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Speaker 14: Buller probably wouldn't have him in the in the test test,

640
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Speaker 14: all the one day team, perhaps even the express of

641
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Speaker 14: someone like an Adam Milne and Lackey Ferguson four overs

642
00:30:57,427 --> 00:30:59,427
Speaker 14: of express places in T twenty can deal with that,

643
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Speaker 14: probably wouldn't have them in the with the with the

644
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Speaker 14: calor of bowling we've got. So I do think that

645
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Speaker 14: that is the T twenty game or you know, one

646
00:31:08,747 --> 00:31:10,947
Speaker 14: hundred percent agree with that guy, Craig.

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Speaker 2: That's it's such a good point. And even as you

648
00:31:12,707 --> 00:31:14,827
Speaker 2: say the names, it's got me thinking, yeah, that is

649
00:31:14,827 --> 00:31:19,347
Speaker 2: there a bigger crossover between test and fifty over or

650
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Speaker 2: between fifty over and T twenty And you've know that, mate,

651
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Speaker 2: there's a bigger crossover between test and fifty over cricket.

652
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Speaker 14: Yeah, it's the games to play, you know, you've just

653
00:31:27,067 --> 00:31:28,787
Speaker 14: got more time to say, if you look at batting,

654
00:31:28,787 --> 00:31:30,947
Speaker 14: you've got more time to build in and dinner in

655
00:31:30,947 --> 00:31:32,947
Speaker 14: a fifty game. You look at the last series, you know,

656
00:31:33,027 --> 00:31:36,387
Speaker 14: someone like you know, Darryl Mitchell was miles behind to

657
00:31:36,467 --> 00:31:38,787
Speaker 14: run a ball in one of those games and then

658
00:31:38,827 --> 00:31:41,067
Speaker 14: picked the pace up in in a fifty over game,

659
00:31:41,107 --> 00:31:42,307
Speaker 14: you just don't have the time to do that in

660
00:31:42,347 --> 00:31:46,387
Speaker 14: T twenty. So that's that's where the whole strategy of

661
00:31:47,107 --> 00:31:49,427
Speaker 14: one day cricket is. I think closer to to a

662
00:31:49,467 --> 00:31:54,387
Speaker 14: test Test match. Yeah, I guess yeah, I thought he

663
00:31:54,507 --> 00:31:55,827
Speaker 14: I thought he hit that on the head.

664
00:31:56,667 --> 00:31:59,267
Speaker 2: Do we should we should we do something very you know,

665
00:31:59,467 --> 00:32:01,827
Speaker 2: quite radical. I don't think it's radical and have a

666
00:32:01,867 --> 00:32:05,347
Speaker 2: T twenty coach and then say you split it T

667
00:32:05,347 --> 00:32:07,987
Speaker 2: twenty only because there is a lot of it being played,

668
00:32:08,067 --> 00:32:10,747
Speaker 2: and then your other coach does fifty over in test matches.

669
00:32:11,027 --> 00:32:11,227
Speaker 8: Good.

670
00:32:11,227 --> 00:32:13,507
Speaker 2: That would if we were.

671
00:32:13,387 --> 00:32:15,427
Speaker 14: Going to split it, That's the split I would make

672
00:32:16,067 --> 00:32:18,187
Speaker 14: because there's not a huge we don't play a huge

673
00:32:18,227 --> 00:32:21,267
Speaker 14: amount of Test match or we don't have a shit

674
00:32:21,347 --> 00:32:23,867
Speaker 14: don't seem to have a huge side of one day cricket.

675
00:32:23,907 --> 00:32:25,387
Speaker 14: That's the split I would if we were going to

676
00:32:25,387 --> 00:32:26,987
Speaker 14: split the coaches, That's where I would do it. But

677
00:32:27,027 --> 00:32:29,467
Speaker 14: I'd just step further and this will never happen. But

678
00:32:29,507 --> 00:32:33,867
Speaker 14: my dream would be that there wouldn't be one international

679
00:32:33,867 --> 00:32:36,187
Speaker 14: T twenty tournament every four years, which would be a

680
00:32:36,227 --> 00:32:38,987
Speaker 14: T twenty World Cup once every four years, and there'd

681
00:32:38,987 --> 00:32:42,387
Speaker 14: be no other international T twenty games played. They won't

682
00:32:42,387 --> 00:32:44,667
Speaker 14: ever do it. I think T twenty should stick to

683
00:32:45,307 --> 00:32:48,027
Speaker 14: particularly franchise cricket, except for once every four years, have

684
00:32:48,027 --> 00:32:49,747
Speaker 14: a T twenty World Cup where the best of your

685
00:32:49,747 --> 00:32:52,307
Speaker 14: country come together and the rest of the time just

686
00:32:52,307 --> 00:32:55,667
Speaker 14: play test matches and one day one day matches. That's

687
00:32:55,827 --> 00:32:57,787
Speaker 14: that's what I would like, personally like to see with

688
00:32:57,827 --> 00:33:01,267
Speaker 14: cricket and keep T twenty two to franchise cricket.

689
00:33:01,587 --> 00:33:03,507
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot to like about that. I know

690
00:33:03,547 --> 00:33:07,507
Speaker 2: the bean counters in New zeally cricket and the other places,

691
00:33:07,747 --> 00:33:09,707
Speaker 2: I'm sure, but have their say on that, Craig, as

692
00:33:09,747 --> 00:33:13,227
Speaker 2: you know, you know when a team comes to New Zealand. Yes, Ed,

693
00:33:13,267 --> 00:33:15,627
Speaker 2: you're the T twenties because people come in and pay

694
00:33:15,667 --> 00:33:17,467
Speaker 2: their money, et cetera, et cetera. But no, you've given

695
00:33:17,507 --> 00:33:19,787
Speaker 2: us plenty of food for thought, mate. I like that

696
00:33:19,907 --> 00:33:23,547
Speaker 2: idea actually, just a T twenty coach only because you

697
00:33:23,587 --> 00:33:25,307
Speaker 2: look at the team that played the T twenty matches

698
00:33:25,347 --> 00:33:28,427
Speaker 2: against Pakistan in the most recent series. How many of

699
00:33:28,467 --> 00:33:29,987
Speaker 2: these are going to be in the Test team? Tim

700
00:33:29,987 --> 00:33:33,907
Speaker 2: Seifert no, Fin Allen no, Tim Robinson no, Mark Chapman

701
00:33:33,987 --> 00:33:37,747
Speaker 2: probably not. Daryl Mitchell yes, Jimmy Nisham no, Mitch Ay

702
00:33:38,067 --> 00:33:42,267
Speaker 2: probably at some stage, Michael Bracewell yes, Kyle Jamison, yes,

703
00:33:42,307 --> 00:33:48,507
Speaker 2: we hope each Sody probably not. Jacob Duffy, Yes, Ben Sears, Yes,

704
00:33:49,387 --> 00:33:53,147
Speaker 2: Zach Folks, who knows. But not a big crossover, right,

705
00:33:53,867 --> 00:33:57,787
Speaker 2: Not a big crossover at all. Just on seventeen to one,

706
00:33:57,827 --> 00:34:00,187
Speaker 2: George with you right after this spearline. We're talking cricket

707
00:34:00,187 --> 00:34:02,947
Speaker 2: till one golf after one rugby a bit later on.

708
00:34:02,987 --> 00:34:04,867
Speaker 2: Don't worry, we haven't got him at the rugby. I

709
00:34:04,907 --> 00:34:07,547
Speaker 2: knew I'd be accused of ignoring the rugby because the

710
00:34:07,627 --> 00:34:10,347
Speaker 2: Hurricanes lost to the Crusaders. That is not happening. I'm

711
00:34:10,347 --> 00:34:12,867
Speaker 2: not going to ignore that. Rob Penny is with us

712
00:34:12,907 --> 00:34:16,507
Speaker 2: after two to talk about his team's mighty victory over

713
00:34:16,507 --> 00:34:18,907
Speaker 2: the Hurricanes, but cricket for the meantime. Back in a

714
00:34:18,907 --> 00:34:20,107
Speaker 2: moment with more of your course.

715
00:34:20,667 --> 00:34:24,787
Speaker 1: The Tough Questions after Turf Weekend Sport with Jason Hine

716
00:34:24,827 --> 00:34:28,707
Speaker 1: and GJ. Gunner Holmes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder.

717
00:34:30,547 --> 00:34:33,147
Speaker 2: News Talks thirteen away from one. Quite a few on text.

718
00:34:33,147 --> 00:34:34,867
Speaker 2: I'll get to in a moment, but still a few

719
00:34:34,867 --> 00:34:37,027
Speaker 2: minutes to jump on board and talk about splitting white

720
00:34:37,027 --> 00:34:39,347
Speaker 2: and red ball coaches for New Zealand cricket. They haven't

721
00:34:39,387 --> 00:34:42,427
Speaker 2: decided one way or the other yet. Hello, George, would

722
00:34:42,427 --> 00:34:42,867
Speaker 2: you do it.

723
00:34:44,787 --> 00:34:47,347
Speaker 16: I don't know if I would actually at the State's timing.

724
00:34:47,427 --> 00:34:50,067
Speaker 16: I think we've got I think when we're out our beast,

725
00:34:50,107 --> 00:34:54,147
Speaker 16: we've still got enough players like Raven Drag Glenn Phillips said,

726
00:34:54,787 --> 00:34:59,187
Speaker 16: met Henry Willow Raw Mitchell who do go across most.

727
00:34:59,227 --> 00:35:01,907
Speaker 16: I think you might start getting quite early on in

728
00:35:01,947 --> 00:35:05,747
Speaker 16: the pixer a tension point where there's two separate coaches

729
00:35:05,787 --> 00:35:10,347
Speaker 16: for White and they'll they'll obviously be you know, coaching

730
00:35:10,387 --> 00:35:12,307
Speaker 16: for their futures as well, and they might want that

731
00:35:12,427 --> 00:35:15,867
Speaker 16: unfited access to the respective players. But you've got to

732
00:35:15,907 --> 00:35:18,947
Speaker 16: be cognizant of the player with the clothes and they

733
00:35:19,027 --> 00:35:23,027
Speaker 16: need to rest and rotate. I think the more important

734
00:35:23,067 --> 00:35:25,307
Speaker 16: piece comes in their assistant coaches and sort of having

735
00:35:25,347 --> 00:35:28,867
Speaker 16: the director of cricket role that sits right over the top,

736
00:35:28,907 --> 00:35:32,427
Speaker 16: and there's the head coach of all forms, but there's

737
00:35:32,547 --> 00:35:36,987
Speaker 16: real distinct specialist skill sets that are recruited and under

738
00:35:37,227 --> 00:35:41,147
Speaker 16: the assistant roles, how can you get access to someone

739
00:35:41,187 --> 00:35:43,947
Speaker 16: like Ricky Ponting in the twenty twenty or Dan Vatry

740
00:35:44,187 --> 00:35:46,987
Speaker 16: or those types of players. So potentially it'll be the

741
00:35:47,747 --> 00:35:50,107
Speaker 16: caliber of the personnel that are actually interested in the

742
00:35:50,187 --> 00:35:53,027
Speaker 16: role may well dictate the path they want to go down.

743
00:35:53,507 --> 00:35:56,387
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think Brian Stronik said exactly that, didn't

744
00:35:56,387 --> 00:35:58,227
Speaker 2: he And I thought it was an odd one when

745
00:35:58,227 --> 00:36:00,707
Speaker 2: he said that that, Hey, we're going to see who

746
00:36:00,747 --> 00:36:03,987
Speaker 2: applies and then decide whether we split the roles. I

747
00:36:04,027 --> 00:36:07,907
Speaker 2: wondered whether they might perhaps make the decision first. And

748
00:36:08,267 --> 00:36:10,547
Speaker 2: you know, because there'll be there'll be people who obviously

749
00:36:10,547 --> 00:36:14,267
Speaker 2: aren't interested in just doing what just doing it all,

750
00:36:14,547 --> 00:36:16,467
Speaker 2: and there'll be others who are interested in doing it all.

751
00:36:16,507 --> 00:36:19,427
Speaker 2: But yeah, you're right, Maybe maybe a director of cricket

752
00:36:19,467 --> 00:36:21,067
Speaker 2: is the way we need to go. Maybe that person

753
00:36:21,067 --> 00:36:24,467
Speaker 2: sits over the top and rather than say, okay, there's

754
00:36:24,507 --> 00:36:26,107
Speaker 2: a head coach of the white ball or a head

755
00:36:26,107 --> 00:36:29,427
Speaker 2: coach of the Test team, you just have coaches of

756
00:36:29,467 --> 00:36:33,387
Speaker 2: those teams, everybody reporting up to your director of cricket.

757
00:36:35,067 --> 00:36:37,667
Speaker 16: Yeah, and I missed the interview at the start, so

758
00:36:37,707 --> 00:36:40,347
Speaker 16: I'm coming talk a bit late. But I like what

759
00:36:40,387 --> 00:36:43,827
Speaker 16: they did when they were playing in the subcontinent. When

760
00:36:43,867 --> 00:36:46,787
Speaker 16: they draft and I think it's his name, so it's

761
00:36:46,947 --> 00:36:50,027
Speaker 16: the shrill link and spin ball. I think Paslanga or

762
00:36:50,067 --> 00:36:52,787
Speaker 16: that comes on board for three months and knows the

763
00:36:52,867 --> 00:36:58,227
Speaker 16: subconstent conditions and you actually getting specialist skill sets and

764
00:36:58,587 --> 00:37:00,547
Speaker 16: the net coaching team. I think you had a really

765
00:37:00,547 --> 00:37:03,827
Speaker 16: good point finally around you know, he's in cricket, have

766
00:37:03,827 --> 00:37:07,107
Speaker 16: an ultimate budget four hundred k, you know the number

767
00:37:07,147 --> 00:37:09,147
Speaker 16: that you put on it, and if you split it

768
00:37:09,267 --> 00:37:10,867
Speaker 16: in half, you're going to need to be able to

769
00:37:11,707 --> 00:37:15,987
Speaker 16: treat the safeful of hope. Tellon that are actually keep

770
00:37:15,387 --> 00:37:19,587
Speaker 16: to take it for because you need to have the

771
00:37:19,627 --> 00:37:22,027
Speaker 16: beast of the beast of coaching and leaving the culture

772
00:37:22,027 --> 00:37:24,387
Speaker 16: of the team for it to be successful in this

773
00:37:24,467 --> 00:37:25,147
Speaker 16: new era.

774
00:37:25,787 --> 00:37:28,107
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. And the other part of the money

775
00:37:28,147 --> 00:37:30,907
Speaker 2: side as well, George is as you know, you know,

776
00:37:31,227 --> 00:37:34,507
Speaker 2: a coach can earn, you know, a lot of money

777
00:37:34,987 --> 00:37:37,547
Speaker 2: coaching enfranchise cricket. In fact, if they're just a coach

778
00:37:37,547 --> 00:37:41,107
Speaker 2: of an IPL team like Stephen Fleming, I mean, it's

779
00:37:41,147 --> 00:37:44,227
Speaker 2: not just two months work but two months commitment and

780
00:37:44,267 --> 00:37:45,907
Speaker 2: you're basically set up if you want to be for

781
00:37:45,947 --> 00:37:48,947
Speaker 2: the whole year. So the splitting of the coaches also works,

782
00:37:48,987 --> 00:37:51,227
Speaker 2: I guess in that way, and that if a guy

783
00:37:51,267 --> 00:37:54,427
Speaker 2: has only got white ball commitments with New Zealand's you know,

784
00:37:54,467 --> 00:37:55,907
Speaker 2: he might then also be able to do a bit

785
00:37:55,907 --> 00:37:58,907
Speaker 2: of franchise coaching in t twenty to improve his craft

786
00:37:58,907 --> 00:38:01,867
Speaker 2: but also to top up his his his salary. Look,

787
00:38:01,867 --> 00:38:04,787
Speaker 2: it's a it's fascinating. I think rang ganaher Arth was

788
00:38:04,827 --> 00:38:07,067
Speaker 2: the guy who who came into help the black Caps

789
00:38:07,067 --> 00:38:10,907
Speaker 2: out when they were up in Asia. And yeah from

790
00:38:10,907 --> 00:38:13,347
Speaker 2: Shri Lanka, I think he should both. But your specialist

791
00:38:13,427 --> 00:38:15,667
Speaker 2: coaches just seem I mean, you're right, Ricky Ponting. Someone

792
00:38:15,667 --> 00:38:18,267
Speaker 2: before said Neil Wagner, just get him in there, you know,

793
00:38:18,867 --> 00:38:20,627
Speaker 2: just to rack the boys up.

794
00:38:20,867 --> 00:38:21,147
Speaker 9: You know.

795
00:38:22,147 --> 00:38:26,027
Speaker 16: Well, I think I listened to Ricky Ponting to a

796
00:38:26,067 --> 00:38:28,827
Speaker 16: podcast with Mark how the How He Gains only about

797
00:38:28,827 --> 00:38:30,227
Speaker 16: two months ago. I think it was one of the

798
00:38:30,267 --> 00:38:34,027
Speaker 16: best listeners I've ever Just the getting inside the mindset

799
00:38:34,067 --> 00:38:37,627
Speaker 16: of him in particular just made me think, man, if

800
00:38:37,627 --> 00:38:40,467
Speaker 16: he could there was a way new Zealing cricket could

801
00:38:41,227 --> 00:38:44,667
Speaker 16: acquire someone like him to be a part of the

802
00:38:44,707 --> 00:38:46,707
Speaker 16: culture of the team moving forward, because it was just,

803
00:38:47,107 --> 00:38:49,107
Speaker 16: you know, I really recommend that podcast. It was just

804
00:38:49,147 --> 00:38:52,347
Speaker 16: such a good listen and to what makes Ricky Ponting

805
00:38:52,467 --> 00:38:54,547
Speaker 16: teck And I know it's a long shot trying to

806
00:38:54,587 --> 00:38:58,627
Speaker 16: convince those guys out of six week lucrative IPL or

807
00:38:58,667 --> 00:39:01,347
Speaker 16: twelve week ones. But but how can you bring them

808
00:39:01,387 --> 00:39:03,907
Speaker 16: on board and a way that can sort of push

809
00:39:03,987 --> 00:39:09,027
Speaker 16: those these sorts of skills and philosophies onto the younger players.

810
00:39:09,027 --> 00:39:10,547
Speaker 16: So important.

811
00:39:10,907 --> 00:39:12,467
Speaker 2: Good on you, George, Good to chat to you, mate,

812
00:39:12,507 --> 00:39:14,627
Speaker 2: Nice to hear your voice. Eight hundred and eighty, ten

813
00:39:14,667 --> 00:39:16,707
Speaker 2: to eighty A couple of minutes if you want to

814
00:39:16,787 --> 00:39:18,467
Speaker 2: have the final sale on this's got a few one

815
00:39:18,547 --> 00:39:21,227
Speaker 2: text has to be split for me, says mus because

816
00:39:21,267 --> 00:39:24,547
Speaker 2: they're away from home so much, very hard on their families. Yeah,

817
00:39:24,587 --> 00:39:26,627
Speaker 2: that's and I think that's what Gary Stead has probably

818
00:39:26,667 --> 00:39:29,347
Speaker 2: discovered too. I know that they have at times, and

819
00:39:29,347 --> 00:39:31,267
Speaker 2: I think they've done this pretty well. New Zealand Cricket

820
00:39:31,547 --> 00:39:35,027
Speaker 2: have at times given Gary Stead and some of the

821
00:39:35,067 --> 00:39:37,987
Speaker 2: other coaches as well, periods of leave where they don't

822
00:39:38,027 --> 00:39:40,507
Speaker 2: go on every tour. And what that also does is

823
00:39:40,507 --> 00:39:42,467
Speaker 2: it helps to develop the you know, the coaches who

824
00:39:42,467 --> 00:39:45,067
Speaker 2: are under the head coach. The likes of Jacob Orram

825
00:39:45,067 --> 00:39:48,827
Speaker 2: and Luke Ronkey and others have been developed as they've

826
00:39:48,827 --> 00:39:51,227
Speaker 2: been given greater responsibility on a couple of these tours

827
00:39:51,227 --> 00:39:54,227
Speaker 2: that Gary Stead hasn't gone on. But as far as

828
00:39:54,307 --> 00:39:57,307
Speaker 2: cricket is concerned, I feel like you sign it. You

829
00:39:57,347 --> 00:40:00,347
Speaker 2: know what you're getting into when you sign up. Cricket,

830
00:40:00,547 --> 00:40:03,227
Speaker 2: more than any other sport certainly that has played widely

831
00:40:03,267 --> 00:40:06,107
Speaker 2: here in New Zealand, is the one where you spend

832
00:40:06,147 --> 00:40:10,787
Speaker 2: more time away from home. You are away a lot,

833
00:40:11,627 --> 00:40:15,387
Speaker 2: and much as you go and yeah much as you

834
00:40:15,387 --> 00:40:17,067
Speaker 2: you know you might say, well need I need time

835
00:40:17,067 --> 00:40:19,387
Speaker 2: on my family? You know it going in You know that.

836
00:40:19,547 --> 00:40:21,987
Speaker 2: I mean Mike Hessen, what I mean by some crazy

837
00:40:22,067 --> 00:40:24,427
Speaker 2: number of days in a calendar year, he was on

838
00:40:24,467 --> 00:40:28,867
Speaker 2: the road. And look, there have been coaches, I'm sure

839
00:40:28,907 --> 00:40:31,827
Speaker 2: who the burden on the family has been too much.

840
00:40:32,187 --> 00:40:34,587
Speaker 2: In fact, there have been. There are a number of examples.

841
00:40:35,267 --> 00:40:38,547
Speaker 2: So to say, yeah, you're away from your family a lot, say,

842
00:40:38,587 --> 00:40:42,787
Speaker 2: I don't think that's a reason to split them, because

843
00:40:43,107 --> 00:40:45,387
Speaker 2: you know, you go into that with your eyes wide open.

844
00:40:45,867 --> 00:40:49,827
Speaker 2: That might sound a bit harsh, but look, if being

845
00:40:49,867 --> 00:40:52,307
Speaker 2: at home with your family for three hundred and fifty

846
00:40:52,347 --> 00:40:53,907
Speaker 2: out of the three hundred and sixty five days of

847
00:40:53,907 --> 00:40:56,107
Speaker 2: the year is what you're into, full credit to you.

848
00:40:56,427 --> 00:40:58,667
Speaker 2: But you can't be coach of the black Caps seven

849
00:40:58,707 --> 00:40:59,627
Speaker 2: to one, u s Talk said.

850
00:40:59,547 --> 00:41:03,627
Speaker 1: Be analyzing every view from every angle in the sporting

851
00:41:03,667 --> 00:41:07,027
Speaker 1: world Weekends for It with Jason Vine call.

852
00:41:08,427 --> 00:41:11,747
Speaker 2: Us Talk said be four to one says Piney. Stephen

853
00:41:11,747 --> 00:41:13,907
Speaker 2: Fleming might need a new job soon off his IPL

854
00:41:13,987 --> 00:41:16,267
Speaker 2: team keeps under delivering. Macker. It's a great point. I

855
00:41:16,427 --> 00:41:18,827
Speaker 2: saw that this morning the Chennai super Kings in charge.

856
00:41:19,307 --> 00:41:22,307
Speaker 2: Stephen Fleming's in charge of them. Five straight losses for

857
00:41:22,347 --> 00:41:25,107
Speaker 2: the first time in the IPL, first time they've lost

858
00:41:25,107 --> 00:41:28,107
Speaker 2: three in a row at home and their margin of defeat,

859
00:41:28,107 --> 00:41:30,307
Speaker 2: which was an eight wicket loss to the Kolcata night

860
00:41:30,387 --> 00:41:34,507
Speaker 2: Riders with fifty nine balls remaining their largest ever. Look

861
00:41:34,547 --> 00:41:37,227
Speaker 2: God back Stephen Fleming to turn things around. He's a

862
00:41:37,227 --> 00:41:39,747
Speaker 2: pretty astute bloke. But yeah, I want to do it quickly.

863
00:41:40,227 --> 00:41:43,027
Speaker 2: After one? What does it take to win the Masters?

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Speaker 2: Steve Williams After one.

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Speaker 17: The only place for the big names, the big issues,

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Speaker 17: the big controversies and the big conversations heads all on

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Speaker 17: Weekend Sport with Jason Vain on your home of Sport

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Speaker 17: News Talks ed b.

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Speaker 2: Hello down, Welcome in one O seven. I'm Jason Pine,

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Speaker 2: Bevan Dura's show producer. Today this is Weekend Sport until

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Speaker 2: three in an hour or so, Rob Penny on the show,

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00:42:12,867 --> 00:42:15,187
Speaker 2: Top of the top of the table, Top of the table,

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Speaker 2: so say, top of the league. That's more of a

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Speaker 2: football term, isn't it. Top of the Super Rugby table?

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00:42:20,147 --> 00:42:23,307
Speaker 2: The Crusaders sitting there proudly after there went over the

876
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Speaker 2: Hurricanes last night, following which the Chiefs lost to the Warratars.

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Speaker 2: Did you see that coming? I did not see that coming.

878
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Speaker 2: After the Warratars went down in consecutive weeks to the

879
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Speaker 2: Hurricanes heavily and Mowana pacificate not quite as heavily, but

880
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Speaker 2: certainly alarmingly given their second half performance, it's as though

881
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Speaker 2: they're a different team in Sydney, the Warrets us. I

882
00:42:44,587 --> 00:42:47,027
Speaker 2: think they're four a hour at home now. I guess

883
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Speaker 2: the chief Side there was top of the pile up

884
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Speaker 2: until last night anyway, Rob Penny. After two, I'm going

885
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Speaker 2: to chat Super Rugby O Pickie final and Auckland FC

886
00:42:54,467 --> 00:42:56,667
Speaker 2: head coach Steve Coricker with us as well. After two.

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Speaker 2: Before we get to any of that, this hour is

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Speaker 2: going to be largely focused on the Masters at Augusta. Now,

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00:43:03,467 --> 00:43:07,387
Speaker 2: Carl Johnson, you know Carl Johnson, He looks after the

890
00:43:07,427 --> 00:43:11,627
Speaker 2: turf at Seddon Park in Hamilton and also at FMG Stadium.

891
00:43:11,667 --> 00:43:14,747
Speaker 2: He is one of the best turf managers going around,

892
00:43:14,747 --> 00:43:17,947
Speaker 2: not just New Zealand but around the world. He's at Augusta.

893
00:43:18,027 --> 00:43:21,627
Speaker 2: Can you imagine Carl Johnson at Augusta. He wouldn't watch

894
00:43:21,667 --> 00:43:23,307
Speaker 2: any of the golf. We might watch a little bit.

895
00:43:23,467 --> 00:43:26,347
Speaker 2: He'd be looking at the grass. He'd been looking at

896
00:43:26,387 --> 00:43:30,747
Speaker 2: the perfectly manicured fairways and greens and how they do

897
00:43:30,867 --> 00:43:34,627
Speaker 2: the rough and what sort of composition the grasses. That's

898
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Speaker 2: what kJ be doing. Anyway, I'm gonna get him on

899
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Speaker 2: the phone because he's over there, as I say, watching

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00:43:40,027 --> 00:43:42,547
Speaker 2: the golf presumably, but also learning a bit about the

901
00:43:42,547 --> 00:43:46,627
Speaker 2: grass as well. So yeah, kJ, This Steve Williams very shortly,

902
00:43:47,267 --> 00:43:49,827
Speaker 2: who knows all about Augusta, having been on the bag

903
00:43:49,867 --> 00:43:53,227
Speaker 2: of Tiger Woods, and Aaron Scott during wins there. Adam

904
00:43:53,267 --> 00:43:55,427
Speaker 2: Peacock out of Australia too. In this regular slot, just

905
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Speaker 2: updating you from Toporp first race of the Supercars weekend.

906
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Speaker 2: There's two racists today, one tomorrow and they're through eleven

907
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Speaker 2: of thirty seven laps. Now in terms of qualifying, Matt

908
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Speaker 2: Paine qualified top ahead of Brodie Kostecki and Cam Waters.

909
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Speaker 2: Pain is leading through eleven of thirty seven laps. Kostecki

910
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Speaker 2: and Waters have dropped down to fifth and sixth at

911
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Speaker 2: the moment, So Matt Pain looking good the Kiwi as

912
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Speaker 2: we keep eyes on topor But speaking of Kiwi's here

913
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Speaker 2: is another one the greatest golf caddy in history Kiwe.

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Speaker 2: Steve Williams has a third book out. It's called Together

915
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Speaker 2: We Roared, documenting his twelve years on the Bag of

916
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Speaker 2: Tiger Woods, during which time they won thirteen majors. Together

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Speaker 2: Steve Williams is with us. Congratulations on the book. Steve,

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00:44:52,347 --> 00:44:55,107
Speaker 2: It's a terrific read with some really superb in sight

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Speaker 2: and with the Masters on at the moment, I really

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Speaker 2: wanted to get some augusta insight from you today. So,

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00:45:01,107 --> 00:45:05,547
Speaker 2: first of all, among the world's elite golfers, how coveted

922
00:45:05,707 --> 00:45:09,187
Speaker 2: is the Masters? How coveted is winning that green jacket?

923
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Speaker 4: Yeah? Look, I mean the four major championships, the one

924
00:45:12,587 --> 00:45:14,467
Speaker 4: that all the professional golfers.

925
00:45:15,587 --> 00:45:16,947
Speaker 2: You know, I want to win.

926
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Speaker 4: Those are the talents that have placed the most importance

927
00:45:19,107 --> 00:45:21,387
Speaker 4: in that. But yeah, the Masters is unique obviously, it's

928
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Speaker 4: at the same venue every year, and and it's one

929
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Speaker 4: course you play every year if you're if you're lucky

930
00:45:27,707 --> 00:45:29,467
Speaker 4: enough to be exempted into the talents, so you can

931
00:45:29,507 --> 00:45:32,187
Speaker 4: gain more and more familiarity with the course and get

932
00:45:32,227 --> 00:45:35,827
Speaker 4: more comfortable playing the course. So each player views all

933
00:45:35,827 --> 00:45:39,347
Speaker 4: the different major championships as far as important. You know

934
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Speaker 4: that they're all major champions I want ones. You want

935
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Speaker 4: to win some, you know, some like the Open Championship,

936
00:45:44,387 --> 00:45:48,667
Speaker 4: more some like the Masters, so forth. But yeah, Augusta

937
00:45:48,747 --> 00:45:51,187
Speaker 4: is unique, and everyone wants to win a tournament at

938
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Speaker 4: a Gusta at some point.

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Speaker 2: What are the keys to playing Augusta?

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00:45:55,827 --> 00:46:00,147
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, well obviously you've got to be a very

941
00:46:00,227 --> 00:46:03,307
Speaker 4: very very good quick green pudder. The greens are very

942
00:46:03,427 --> 00:46:05,307
Speaker 4: very quick with a lot of undulation, a lot of

943
00:46:05,307 --> 00:46:07,547
Speaker 4: slope there, so you you you've got to be a

944
00:46:07,667 --> 00:46:11,307
Speaker 4: very good green putter of adding green reader there you

945
00:46:11,747 --> 00:46:14,387
Speaker 4: face you know, over the period of the wink there.

946
00:46:14,427 --> 00:46:16,587
Speaker 4: It's because the greens are so quick there. It's very

947
00:46:16,587 --> 00:46:19,587
Speaker 4: hard to you know, all the parts from you know,

948
00:46:19,827 --> 00:46:21,987
Speaker 4: the long distance parts are hard to lag to. The

949
00:46:22,027 --> 00:46:24,987
Speaker 4: close lag very very close to the whole, so you know,

950
00:46:25,027 --> 00:46:26,787
Speaker 4: you face a lot of four to six foot is

951
00:46:26,787 --> 00:46:28,747
Speaker 4: there with a lot of break, and you've got to

952
00:46:28,747 --> 00:46:32,827
Speaker 4: be very competent at that range, just the way they've

953
00:46:32,867 --> 00:46:35,867
Speaker 4: lengthened the course over the over the you know, over

954
00:46:35,867 --> 00:46:39,227
Speaker 4: the period of time, and that realistically you've got to

955
00:46:39,227 --> 00:46:41,747
Speaker 4: be a long ball hit. You know, a short hitter

956
00:46:43,387 --> 00:46:45,627
Speaker 4: is going to find it very, very difficult to compete there.

957
00:46:45,627 --> 00:46:47,707
Speaker 4: There are a number four part number of part fours

958
00:46:47,747 --> 00:46:49,867
Speaker 4: over five hundred yards there now, so I mean it

959
00:46:49,867 --> 00:46:52,267
Speaker 4: makes them possible if you're a short hitter to do

960
00:46:52,387 --> 00:46:55,907
Speaker 4: well there. So, but you know you've got to you've

961
00:46:55,947 --> 00:46:58,827
Speaker 4: got to have the biggest component of playing well there

962
00:46:59,067 --> 00:47:02,267
Speaker 4: is to have a great understanding of where you can't

963
00:47:02,307 --> 00:47:04,267
Speaker 4: miss the ball and where you can miss the ball.

964
00:47:04,347 --> 00:47:06,907
Speaker 4: So a lot of courses you and get away with

965
00:47:06,947 --> 00:47:09,467
Speaker 4: a few shots what we call low siding yourself missing

966
00:47:09,467 --> 00:47:12,067
Speaker 4: on the or short siding yourself, but you just can't

967
00:47:12,067 --> 00:47:16,627
Speaker 4: do that there. So it really examines your whole game, Augusta.

968
00:47:16,667 --> 00:47:18,187
Speaker 4: You know, you've got to be able to hit some

969
00:47:18,267 --> 00:47:19,547
Speaker 4: right to left shots. You've got to be able to

970
00:47:19,627 --> 00:47:21,107
Speaker 4: hit some left to right shots. You've got to have

971
00:47:21,107 --> 00:47:24,627
Speaker 4: a lot of high shots coming into these greens. And

972
00:47:24,787 --> 00:47:28,027
Speaker 4: ultimately I believe it's the greatest test between a player

973
00:47:28,067 --> 00:47:31,307
Speaker 4: and a caddy because there's no course to my knowledge,

974
00:47:31,307 --> 00:47:34,667
Speaker 4: that puts such an emphasis on club selection. So it's

975
00:47:34,707 --> 00:47:39,147
Speaker 4: well documented that there's more caddies get fired after the

976
00:47:39,187 --> 00:47:42,907
Speaker 4: week of Augusta than any other tournament because it puts

977
00:47:42,907 --> 00:47:45,747
Speaker 4: a extreme amount of pressure on a player in a

978
00:47:45,787 --> 00:47:48,707
Speaker 4: caddy there because there's so many holes there. You come

979
00:47:48,747 --> 00:47:51,027
Speaker 4: up short, you can't long, you can't get up and

980
00:47:51,027 --> 00:47:52,907
Speaker 4: down you can make a high score, and you know

981
00:47:53,107 --> 00:47:55,267
Speaker 4: you come to those part five that you know, aim

982
00:47:55,307 --> 00:47:56,987
Speaker 4: and corner. You know you look at aim and corner.

983
00:47:57,187 --> 00:47:59,227
Speaker 4: Twelfth hole, you go over the green hard to make

984
00:47:59,267 --> 00:48:01,747
Speaker 4: four short. You're in the water thirteen. You know, if

985
00:48:01,787 --> 00:48:04,587
Speaker 4: you come up short you're in raised creek fifteen obviously

986
00:48:04,627 --> 00:48:06,987
Speaker 4: with the water short of the green, and you can't

987
00:48:06,987 --> 00:48:10,827
Speaker 4: go along club selection there. I think of all the

988
00:48:10,867 --> 00:48:14,907
Speaker 4: torments that you play, is the most important, and it

989
00:48:14,987 --> 00:48:16,587
Speaker 4: puts put a lot of stress on the player on

990
00:48:16,587 --> 00:48:18,867
Speaker 4: a caddy there, So caddy plays a big role there.

991
00:48:19,187 --> 00:48:20,867
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I mean, one thing that's obvious from this

992
00:48:20,907 --> 00:48:23,707
Speaker 2: book and everything I've read and heard about you is

993
00:48:23,747 --> 00:48:29,347
Speaker 2: your meticulous planning, regardless So did Augusta need even more

994
00:48:29,387 --> 00:48:32,787
Speaker 2: than that? Did it need extra extra care and attention

995
00:48:33,267 --> 00:48:34,987
Speaker 2: from you? Given what you've just outlined.

996
00:48:35,667 --> 00:48:38,547
Speaker 4: Yeah, but one thing, like I said, you're fortunate Jason's

997
00:48:38,707 --> 00:48:41,587
Speaker 4: you know, ik there for thirty straight years, so you know,

998
00:48:41,667 --> 00:48:44,387
Speaker 4: you keep all your notes and every time you go

999
00:48:44,467 --> 00:48:47,547
Speaker 4: there you're learning something different, so that you know, you

1000
00:48:47,667 --> 00:48:51,067
Speaker 4: look at for a number of years here, the same

1001
00:48:51,067 --> 00:48:53,427
Speaker 4: guys are on the leaderboard all the time. Fred Couples,

1002
00:48:53,467 --> 00:48:57,307
Speaker 4: Ernie Ols, Tiger Woods, you know, these guys, Phil Micholson.

1003
00:48:57,387 --> 00:48:59,787
Speaker 4: The same guys get on that leaderboard because they get

1004
00:48:59,867 --> 00:49:02,667
Speaker 4: so comfortable with the course that they know where to

1005
00:49:02,747 --> 00:49:06,147
Speaker 4: hit it, they know where not to hit it. They've

1006
00:49:06,827 --> 00:49:08,787
Speaker 4: they faced so many of the parts before, so they

1007
00:49:08,787 --> 00:49:10,947
Speaker 4: get so familiar with of course. So the more times,

1008
00:49:11,267 --> 00:49:14,267
Speaker 4: the more opportunities you have to play there, the better

1009
00:49:14,267 --> 00:49:16,667
Speaker 4: off you're going to be. And it's one of the

1010
00:49:17,347 --> 00:49:18,627
Speaker 4: one of them. You know, if you look at how

1011
00:49:18,627 --> 00:49:20,587
Speaker 4: many players have won that the first time they ever

1012
00:49:20,667 --> 00:49:22,547
Speaker 4: played there, I think there's only two or three of them,

1013
00:49:22,827 --> 00:49:25,867
Speaker 4: one on their first visit to Augusta. So a lot

1014
00:49:25,907 --> 00:49:28,427
Speaker 4: of knowledge there that you can accumulate, and that knowledge

1015
00:49:28,467 --> 00:49:29,427
Speaker 4: is very, very helpful.

1016
00:49:30,307 --> 00:49:34,067
Speaker 2: It's the twenty year anniversary this year of Tiger Woods

1017
00:49:34,187 --> 00:49:36,387
Speaker 2: win with you there in two thousand and five, and

1018
00:49:36,427 --> 00:49:40,227
Speaker 2: of course we land on that iconic chippin On sixteen,

1019
00:49:40,627 --> 00:49:43,307
Speaker 2: which keeps on coming up on social media feeds even

1020
00:49:43,347 --> 00:49:45,467
Speaker 2: more and more this time of the year. I just

1021
00:49:45,467 --> 00:49:47,267
Speaker 2: want to take you back to that maybe one of

1022
00:49:47,307 --> 00:49:50,387
Speaker 2: the greatest holes ever seen in golf. The t shot,

1023
00:49:50,387 --> 00:49:52,907
Speaker 2: though didn't quite go the way it was planned, ended

1024
00:49:52,947 --> 00:49:54,227
Speaker 2: up in a place on the course that I've heard

1025
00:49:54,267 --> 00:49:55,267
Speaker 2: you say you'd never been to.

1026
00:49:56,387 --> 00:49:59,307
Speaker 4: Look, it's interesting, you know, it's the sixteenth time and

1027
00:49:59,347 --> 00:50:02,107
Speaker 4: a Gusta at Sunday. The pin placements always in the

1028
00:50:02,147 --> 00:50:05,347
Speaker 4: same place. It's on the left hand side there, close

1029
00:50:05,387 --> 00:50:07,747
Speaker 4: to the bunker. Obviously you've got to hit the shot,

1030
00:50:07,947 --> 00:50:09,507
Speaker 4: you know, forty feet right of the hole and just

1031
00:50:09,587 --> 00:50:12,787
Speaker 4: let it come down the hill. So when Tiger hits

1032
00:50:12,787 --> 00:50:15,347
Speaker 4: the shot, immediately I'm thinking, wow, that's left, and then

1033
00:50:15,627 --> 00:50:18,507
Speaker 4: you're thinking it's in the bunker. And then you think, well, no,

1034
00:50:18,627 --> 00:50:20,107
Speaker 4: that's not in the bunk, it's in the water. And

1035
00:50:20,107 --> 00:50:22,507
Speaker 4: then I'm thinking, no, actually, that's that's over the water.

1036
00:50:23,267 --> 00:50:27,227
Speaker 4: I don't know what's over there. So as we're walking up,

1037
00:50:27,987 --> 00:50:30,227
Speaker 4: you know, I'm walking quite quickly, and Tiger's behind me

1038
00:50:30,427 --> 00:50:32,827
Speaker 4: and he keeps yelling me, you know, asking me where

1039
00:50:32,867 --> 00:50:34,467
Speaker 4: is it? Steve was right, where is it? And I

1040
00:50:34,547 --> 00:50:36,947
Speaker 4: managed to get Ian Baker Finch's attention. He was up

1041
00:50:36,947 --> 00:50:39,427
Speaker 4: on the camera tower behind the fifteenth Grand and I

1042
00:50:39,507 --> 00:50:41,547
Speaker 4: just managed to get his attention and said is that okay?

1043
00:50:41,547 --> 00:50:43,507
Speaker 4: And just put his thumbs up. So I didn't know

1044
00:50:43,547 --> 00:50:45,267
Speaker 4: where it was. I've never been over there, you know.

1045
00:50:45,267 --> 00:50:48,347
Speaker 4: It's just I'd not seen a player play from over

1046
00:50:48,387 --> 00:50:50,907
Speaker 4: there before because obviously, when the pin is down there

1047
00:50:50,907 --> 00:50:53,067
Speaker 4: where it is on Sunday, you're aiming, you know, you're

1048
00:50:53,107 --> 00:50:56,987
Speaker 4: aimed to the right, and if there's any tendency, generally

1049
00:50:57,267 --> 00:51:01,067
Speaker 4: the players will hit it too far right. But yeah,

1050
00:51:01,107 --> 00:51:03,347
Speaker 4: he goes up there, survey's the shot and so forth,

1051
00:51:03,387 --> 00:51:05,507
Speaker 4: and what he's trying to do is not get the

1052
00:51:05,507 --> 00:51:07,467
Speaker 4: ball go too far up the hill so that it

1053
00:51:07,507 --> 00:51:09,987
Speaker 4: doesn't gather too much freeod when it comes back down.

1054
00:51:10,467 --> 00:51:12,947
Speaker 4: He said, he went up there after some you know,

1055
00:51:12,987 --> 00:51:14,627
Speaker 4: he quite spent quite a bit of time looking at

1056
00:51:14,667 --> 00:51:16,827
Speaker 4: that shot, and he picked out a ballmark on the green.

1057
00:51:16,907 --> 00:51:18,547
Speaker 4: He said, Steve, do you think if I landed on

1058
00:51:18,587 --> 00:51:21,307
Speaker 4: that ballmark, I won't go up the hill too far

1059
00:51:21,427 --> 00:51:24,787
Speaker 4: and amazingly, which is just an incredible part of the shot,

1060
00:51:24,827 --> 00:51:27,467
Speaker 4: as he actually landed on that ballmark. Now I could

1061
00:51:27,467 --> 00:51:30,827
Speaker 4: give him a thousand balls and he wouldn't do that again.

1062
00:51:30,947 --> 00:51:36,867
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's an iconic golf shot. And yeah, it's

1063
00:51:36,947 --> 00:51:39,947
Speaker 4: twenty year anniversary, and you know we cover a bit

1064
00:51:39,987 --> 00:51:41,787
Speaker 4: of the book and that, so it was a very

1065
00:51:41,787 --> 00:51:44,027
Speaker 4: special moment in the book. You know. Not only that's

1066
00:51:44,467 --> 00:51:47,827
Speaker 4: an iconic tiger moment in the book, we look at

1067
00:51:47,907 --> 00:51:49,507
Speaker 4: quite a few iconic moments.

1068
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there are plenty lots just on Augusta though, Greg Norman,

1069
00:51:54,827 --> 00:51:57,747
Speaker 2: you're on his bag of course in the eighties, his

1070
00:51:57,947 --> 00:52:02,627
Speaker 2: collapse at Augusta in nineteen ninety six. You went on

1071
00:52:02,667 --> 00:52:04,067
Speaker 2: his bag at that time. As I say, but what

1072
00:52:04,107 --> 00:52:05,867
Speaker 2: did you see from him that day?

1073
00:52:07,107 --> 00:52:10,347
Speaker 4: Yeah, look, I mean it was you know, as a

1074
00:52:10,387 --> 00:52:12,707
Speaker 4: great friend of Greg's. It was a tragedy to watch.

1075
00:52:14,667 --> 00:52:17,147
Speaker 4: I watched the last I can't remember how the holes

1076
00:52:17,147 --> 00:52:18,787
Speaker 4: I was catting for Ray Floyd in the same timent

1077
00:52:18,827 --> 00:52:20,147
Speaker 4: went back to the house I was staying at and

1078
00:52:20,227 --> 00:52:24,427
Speaker 4: was watching it on TV as it unfolded. But Ultimately

1079
00:52:26,347 --> 00:52:32,267
Speaker 4: he changed his way that he played. Greg plays incredibly aggressive,

1080
00:52:32,907 --> 00:52:37,147
Speaker 4: and on Sunday, instead of playing aggressive, he went to

1081
00:52:37,267 --> 00:52:40,107
Speaker 4: conservative and just tried to protect his lead. And as

1082
00:52:40,307 --> 00:52:44,587
Speaker 4: it was completely against his nature, he wanted that talent

1083
00:52:44,707 --> 00:52:47,467
Speaker 4: so badly. That was you know, some players want to

1084
00:52:47,507 --> 00:52:49,787
Speaker 4: win the Open Tampionship, some want to win the US Open,

1085
00:52:49,827 --> 00:52:52,147
Speaker 4: someone to win the masses. He wanted to be That

1086
00:52:52,267 --> 00:52:53,707
Speaker 4: was the time that he wanted to win the most,

1087
00:52:53,827 --> 00:52:56,507
Speaker 4: and it meant the most of him, and he let

1088
00:52:56,547 --> 00:52:58,707
Speaker 4: it slip through his hands, you know, until three times

1089
00:52:58,747 --> 00:53:00,747
Speaker 4: he had the Larry Mice chipping and he had the

1090
00:53:01,427 --> 00:53:03,587
Speaker 4: you know, the shot up the eighteenth there, he fled

1091
00:53:03,587 --> 00:53:07,747
Speaker 4: it way up to the right there. But yeah, so

1092
00:53:08,147 --> 00:53:11,827
Speaker 4: I actually ended up going back to Florida with Greg

1093
00:53:11,867 --> 00:53:14,867
Speaker 4: that night, and I spent that night on the beach

1094
00:53:14,907 --> 00:53:18,347
Speaker 4: with Greg, and we went over that whole round while

1095
00:53:18,347 --> 00:53:20,707
Speaker 4: we're sitting on the beach and having some beers and

1096
00:53:20,747 --> 00:53:25,107
Speaker 4: some tears and a lot of tears, and yeah, for

1097
00:53:25,147 --> 00:53:28,267
Speaker 4: some unknown reason, he got out of his comfort zone,

1098
00:53:28,267 --> 00:53:30,707
Speaker 4: which he doesn't normally do. He's a very very confident

1099
00:53:30,747 --> 00:53:33,787
Speaker 4: player and very very confident and vidiling, and he got

1100
00:53:33,787 --> 00:53:38,467
Speaker 4: outside his comfort zone. And instead of playing aggressive he

1101
00:53:38,507 --> 00:53:41,907
Speaker 4: played conservative on Sunday. So what he had done through

1102
00:53:42,067 --> 00:53:44,507
Speaker 4: rounds one, two, three, he changed on Sunday and he

1103
00:53:44,907 --> 00:53:47,107
Speaker 4: you know, he for some unknown reason, he never sort

1104
00:53:47,147 --> 00:53:49,707
Speaker 4: of put his hand on why he did that. It

1105
00:53:49,787 --> 00:53:51,347
Speaker 4: should have just been a walk in the park in

1106
00:53:51,347 --> 00:53:53,387
Speaker 4: the formality as well as his playing.

1107
00:53:54,787 --> 00:53:56,707
Speaker 2: Adam Scott, You're on his bag when he won the

1108
00:53:56,747 --> 00:53:59,627
Speaker 2: Masters twenty thirteen. How different a thrill was that for you?

1109
00:54:00,667 --> 00:54:02,747
Speaker 4: Yeah, look, I mean to be on the bag of

1110
00:54:02,787 --> 00:54:07,027
Speaker 4: the first Australian to win at Agusa, the only one

1111
00:54:07,107 --> 00:54:09,787
Speaker 4: since incredibly, Like if you think about the amount of

1112
00:54:09,827 --> 00:54:12,227
Speaker 4: great players in Australia has produced, you know, go back

1113
00:54:12,267 --> 00:54:15,907
Speaker 4: to the Ron Night to Call Nagle, Peter Thompson, Bruce

1114
00:54:15,947 --> 00:54:18,387
Speaker 4: Devl and David Graham, all these great players you know,

1115
00:54:18,467 --> 00:54:23,227
Speaker 4: to the modern day Jason Day, Adam and Cameron Smith,

1116
00:54:23,227 --> 00:54:25,947
Speaker 4: a whole host of great players Australia's had over the years.

1117
00:54:25,947 --> 00:54:27,827
Speaker 4: To think that only one guy has put that green

1118
00:54:27,907 --> 00:54:29,987
Speaker 4: jacket on, and you know it was it was an

1119
00:54:30,027 --> 00:54:34,667
Speaker 4: incredible moment. Ironically, Greg played a part in that. You know,

1120
00:54:34,947 --> 00:54:39,067
Speaker 4: Adam idolized Greg as a junior growing up, and you know,

1121
00:54:39,187 --> 00:54:41,547
Speaker 4: I met Adam a couple of times when he's just

1122
00:54:41,587 --> 00:54:44,947
Speaker 4: a little teenager. When I was getting with Greg and

1123
00:54:44,987 --> 00:54:47,107
Speaker 4: he idolized Greg is a very good av A player.

1124
00:54:47,107 --> 00:54:51,387
Speaker 4: And idolized Greg on that playoff hole, you know, when

1125
00:54:51,587 --> 00:54:53,387
Speaker 4: Adam asked me to read the put there, and he

1126
00:54:53,467 --> 00:54:55,867
Speaker 4: read the put one way and I said, that's not

1127
00:54:55,907 --> 00:54:59,107
Speaker 4: even closest. You know, he read a cup out and

1128
00:54:59,107 --> 00:55:00,787
Speaker 4: I said, that's not even close. It's like two and

1129
00:55:00,827 --> 00:55:04,267
Speaker 4: a half cups out. I had a note in my book,

1130
00:55:05,067 --> 00:55:08,227
Speaker 4: my yardage book. It was from I believe it was

1131
00:55:08,267 --> 00:55:12,027
Speaker 4: from nineteen eighty eight, you know. I had a note

1132
00:55:12,067 --> 00:55:14,147
Speaker 4: that had the pin placement there and it had an

1133
00:55:14,227 --> 00:55:16,227
Speaker 4: arrow that said, if you're putting from this direction, it

1134
00:55:16,267 --> 00:55:19,467
Speaker 4: breaks more than it looks. And that came from when

1135
00:55:19,467 --> 00:55:23,587
Speaker 4: I was scating with Greg and when he off that putt,

1136
00:55:23,587 --> 00:55:26,827
Speaker 4: and Greg read my lips because I said that when Tiger,

1137
00:55:27,307 --> 00:55:29,507
Speaker 4: when Adam asked me, I said, that's not even close.

1138
00:55:29,547 --> 00:55:32,547
Speaker 4: This is how far it was. And Greg read my lips.

1139
00:55:32,827 --> 00:55:37,067
Speaker 4: And Greg was actually the first person I spoke to.

1140
00:55:37,347 --> 00:55:39,067
Speaker 4: He wasn't the first person that called me. But when

1141
00:55:39,067 --> 00:55:40,827
Speaker 4: I got in the car and I was driving back

1142
00:55:40,867 --> 00:55:43,627
Speaker 4: to the house where I was staying. The phone rang

1143
00:55:44,267 --> 00:55:46,907
Speaker 4: and it was Greg and he read my lips and

1144
00:55:46,907 --> 00:55:48,467
Speaker 4: I said, well, you're not going to believe this. Greg,

1145
00:55:48,707 --> 00:55:51,427
Speaker 4: I had documented in my yardage book when you had

1146
00:55:51,467 --> 00:55:55,347
Speaker 4: that part that and so he felt pretty special that

1147
00:55:55,427 --> 00:55:57,787
Speaker 4: he had some tie to that victory. So it was

1148
00:55:58,187 --> 00:56:02,107
Speaker 4: an absolute incredible moment, you know, like on the eighteenth

1149
00:56:02,147 --> 00:56:05,147
Speaker 4: Greene Adam, when you know, when he hold that part

1150
00:56:05,547 --> 00:56:07,347
Speaker 4: thinking he had won the tan. Come on, he was,

1151
00:56:07,427 --> 00:56:10,227
Speaker 4: come on, come on, and he was gone berserk and

1152
00:56:10,267 --> 00:56:13,547
Speaker 4: it's like, hold on a minute, Tiger, sorry, hold on

1153
00:56:13,587 --> 00:56:15,867
Speaker 4: to that, it's not over. I had to quickly bring

1154
00:56:15,907 --> 00:56:18,027
Speaker 4: him back to the moment so that you know, Cabrera's

1155
00:56:18,027 --> 00:56:20,187
Speaker 4: still got a hold of go. He might burdie and

1156
00:56:20,227 --> 00:56:23,827
Speaker 4: he might tie. And that's exactly what happened. So he

1157
00:56:24,227 --> 00:56:26,787
Speaker 4: you know, you've got to quickly. He had to quickly

1158
00:56:26,827 --> 00:56:28,787
Speaker 4: come back to earth there for a minute and get

1159
00:56:28,827 --> 00:56:31,107
Speaker 4: back out there for the playoffs. So, you know, an

1160
00:56:31,107 --> 00:56:33,387
Speaker 4: incredible moments.

1161
00:56:32,667 --> 00:56:34,347
Speaker 2: Just for I ask you a couple more questions about this.

1162
00:56:34,467 --> 00:56:37,227
Speaker 2: One final question about Augusta. The boiler suits they make

1163
00:56:37,267 --> 00:56:41,187
Speaker 2: you wear as caddies. Do you like those look?

1164
00:56:41,267 --> 00:56:45,227
Speaker 4: Jason? I think that's archaic you know, I just like

1165
00:56:45,507 --> 00:56:48,467
Speaker 4: if I said to you, you know, you're going to

1166
00:56:48,547 --> 00:56:51,387
Speaker 4: walk ten k's today on one of the hilliest golf

1167
00:56:51,587 --> 00:56:54,347
Speaker 4: was ever and it might be eighty five degrees in

1168
00:56:54,427 --> 00:56:56,907
Speaker 4: human here's what I want you to wear, you'd go,

1169
00:56:56,987 --> 00:57:00,907
Speaker 4: You're kidding me, aren't you. I think that's archaic. I

1170
00:57:00,987 --> 00:57:03,907
Speaker 4: honestly do. I see why they do it. I understand,

1171
00:57:03,907 --> 00:57:06,787
Speaker 4: but I think in today, in today's I think that

1172
00:57:06,827 --> 00:57:09,867
Speaker 4: should be something that's not required by the caddies. I

1173
00:57:09,907 --> 00:57:13,187
Speaker 4: understand they could wear the green hats and so forth,

1174
00:57:13,227 --> 00:57:16,347
Speaker 4: but like, even if they got a master's T shirt.

1175
00:57:16,387 --> 00:57:21,027
Speaker 4: Everybody had a Master's T shirt and they were all, yeah,

1176
00:57:21,827 --> 00:57:24,547
Speaker 4: even if they provided the same color shorts and a

1177
00:57:24,587 --> 00:57:26,267
Speaker 4: T shirt with a player's name and the logo of

1178
00:57:26,387 --> 00:57:30,267
Speaker 4: it ovals no.

1179
00:57:29,267 --> 00:57:32,187
Speaker 2: All right. The process of this book, the genesis of it,

1180
00:57:32,267 --> 00:57:34,787
Speaker 2: I know, came from a podcast series you did during

1181
00:57:34,827 --> 00:57:36,787
Speaker 2: COVID when you sort of went through major by major

1182
00:57:36,827 --> 00:57:39,187
Speaker 2: and then there was the you know, the opportunity to

1183
00:57:39,227 --> 00:57:41,827
Speaker 2: make it into into a book. How did you find

1184
00:57:41,827 --> 00:57:44,227
Speaker 2: the process of writing this did you? Was it an

1185
00:57:44,347 --> 00:57:48,147
Speaker 2: enjoyable process? Going back over you know, in quite a

1186
00:57:48,187 --> 00:57:50,867
Speaker 2: lot of detail, the time that you had together with Tiger.

1187
00:57:51,467 --> 00:57:53,987
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was. It was like a memory a road

1188
00:57:53,987 --> 00:57:57,707
Speaker 4: down memory lane Jayson to get out all my notes,

1189
00:57:57,827 --> 00:58:01,147
Speaker 4: all my book, all my statistics and spend some time.

1190
00:58:01,187 --> 00:58:05,707
Speaker 4: We were very fortunate that we the publisher allowed us

1191
00:58:05,987 --> 00:58:08,507
Speaker 4: a couple the extra month than what would normally be

1192
00:58:08,587 --> 00:58:11,347
Speaker 4: given or granted to write a book, so they gave

1193
00:58:11,427 --> 00:58:13,547
Speaker 4: us a bit of extra time. I found it absolutely

1194
00:58:13,707 --> 00:58:16,707
Speaker 4: enthrilling to go to our memory lane and pull out

1195
00:58:16,707 --> 00:58:19,187
Speaker 4: all the stuff that I had and all the note

1196
00:58:19,227 --> 00:58:22,387
Speaker 4: I kept an amazing amount of notes, not just on statistics,

1197
00:58:22,427 --> 00:58:27,547
Speaker 4: but on moods and feelings and observations I'd made, and

1198
00:58:27,627 --> 00:58:29,867
Speaker 4: to put all those out and all those great moments

1199
00:58:30,387 --> 00:58:32,307
Speaker 4: and so forth, and then you know, do some actual

1200
00:58:32,347 --> 00:58:35,187
Speaker 4: study on it. So Evan and I were trying to

1201
00:58:35,187 --> 00:58:38,707
Speaker 4: give the viewer, the reader sort of a backstage pass

1202
00:58:38,827 --> 00:58:41,907
Speaker 4: to arguably one of the greatest stretches of golf ever

1203
00:58:41,947 --> 00:58:44,587
Speaker 4: played by the greatest players that have played the game.

1204
00:58:44,707 --> 00:58:47,227
Speaker 4: Give them a sort of backstage pass to what actually

1205
00:58:47,307 --> 00:58:49,387
Speaker 4: goes on. You know, what is it like to travel

1206
00:58:49,387 --> 00:58:51,827
Speaker 4: in a private jet? Is what are the celebrations like

1207
00:58:51,907 --> 00:58:53,987
Speaker 4: after these majors, What are the practice sessions like it?

1208
00:58:53,987 --> 00:58:57,587
Speaker 4: And so forth give the reader a backstage pass to something.

1209
00:58:57,587 --> 00:59:00,667
Speaker 4: And you know, we're really pleased the way it turned out.

1210
00:59:00,787 --> 00:59:03,147
Speaker 4: And we were pretty confident that the reader, you know,

1211
00:59:03,227 --> 00:59:05,387
Speaker 4: when they read a lot of these iconic moments and

1212
00:59:05,387 --> 00:59:07,707
Speaker 4: what they all meant, how came about, what went into it,

1213
00:59:08,227 --> 00:59:10,067
Speaker 4: we think the reader will love the story.

1214
00:59:10,187 --> 00:59:13,867
Speaker 2: Yeah, I found myself. I paired the book with YouTube.

1215
00:59:13,947 --> 00:59:16,867
Speaker 2: Basically every time something was mentioned in here, I'd go

1216
00:59:16,907 --> 00:59:18,747
Speaker 2: and look at it so I could see see it

1217
00:59:18,787 --> 00:59:22,507
Speaker 2: playing out. Do you reckon? You could tell on the

1218
00:59:22,547 --> 00:59:24,827
Speaker 2: morning of a round whether Tiger was going to have

1219
00:59:24,867 --> 00:59:26,867
Speaker 2: a good round or not by his mood.

1220
00:59:27,907 --> 00:59:31,907
Speaker 4: Yeah. Look, as I alluded to, I kept so many

1221
00:59:31,987 --> 00:59:34,827
Speaker 4: notes and so many things, and you know, I tried

1222
00:59:34,867 --> 00:59:37,747
Speaker 4: to visualize myself standing in Tiger's shoes every day, so

1223
00:59:37,787 --> 00:59:40,107
Speaker 4: when he came to the golf course every day, and

1224
00:59:40,187 --> 00:59:42,067
Speaker 4: quite often i'd be driving him, i'd pick him up,

1225
00:59:42,147 --> 00:59:43,867
Speaker 4: or I might be staying at the same hotel, or

1226
00:59:43,907 --> 00:59:47,107
Speaker 4: we could be sharing a house together. But I would

1227
00:59:47,187 --> 00:59:50,707
Speaker 4: observe how he was walking, what his mannerisms were like,

1228
00:59:50,987 --> 00:59:54,427
Speaker 4: what the eye contact was like. And then you know,

1229
00:59:54,507 --> 00:59:57,867
Speaker 4: the very first two, three, four swings of the day

1230
00:59:57,907 --> 01:00:01,787
Speaker 4: on the range I would intensely watch those to see

1231
01:00:01,827 --> 01:00:04,827
Speaker 4: whether there was any kind of hesitancy, any you know,

1232
01:00:04,827 --> 01:00:07,907
Speaker 4: it was there, some joy was you know, smiles that okay,

1233
01:00:08,147 --> 01:00:10,507
Speaker 4: just feeling good today, or you know, I'd watch those,

1234
01:00:10,547 --> 01:00:14,427
Speaker 4: and I'd watch the practice session, and a lot of

1235
01:00:14,427 --> 01:00:16,907
Speaker 4: times the practice session would dictate how you would start

1236
01:00:16,947 --> 01:00:20,267
Speaker 4: the day. Would we start off conservatively or aggressively, based

1237
01:00:20,267 --> 01:00:22,547
Speaker 4: on the fact that how the practice session went. So,

1238
01:00:22,747 --> 01:00:25,027
Speaker 4: you know, I and at the end of the day,

1239
01:00:25,067 --> 01:00:27,107
Speaker 4: I'd go away and I'd write all these things down. Okay,

1240
01:00:27,147 --> 01:00:29,187
Speaker 4: this is you know, this is what happened today. This

1241
01:00:29,387 --> 01:00:31,307
Speaker 4: was eventuated at the end of the day. So yes,

1242
01:00:31,387 --> 01:00:32,747
Speaker 4: by the end of it, not by the end of

1243
01:00:32,747 --> 01:00:35,707
Speaker 4: the time, but after probably eighteen months to two years

1244
01:00:35,707 --> 01:00:38,587
Speaker 4: of caring to Tiger, and I'd accumulated enough notes, had

1245
01:00:38,667 --> 01:00:41,907
Speaker 4: enough round with him in all the different situations that

1246
01:00:41,947 --> 01:00:45,827
Speaker 4: could unfold and so forth, that that you know, I'd

1247
01:00:45,827 --> 01:00:48,147
Speaker 4: have a very very strong indication of what was going

1248
01:00:48,227 --> 01:00:49,747
Speaker 4: to unfold before it unfolded.

1249
01:00:49,787 --> 01:00:52,987
Speaker 2: If you, like I've heard you describe caddying as being

1250
01:00:53,227 --> 01:00:57,227
Speaker 2: very much like an en course psychologist, how did Tiger

1251
01:00:57,267 --> 01:01:01,067
Speaker 2: compare to your other no wrong compatience, but how did

1252
01:01:01,067 --> 01:01:03,867
Speaker 2: he compare to others you cadded for in that regard.

1253
01:01:04,627 --> 01:01:08,387
Speaker 4: Block, I mean, there's no question, and he's the most

1254
01:01:08,427 --> 01:01:11,747
Speaker 4: intense player you've ever come across, the guy that's more focused,

1255
01:01:11,867 --> 01:01:15,027
Speaker 4: more dedicated, and you know, he plays to win. Some

1256
01:01:15,067 --> 01:01:17,507
Speaker 4: guys at the end of a week, A good week

1257
01:01:17,547 --> 01:01:19,907
Speaker 4: for Tiger is a win and nothing else counts. Some

1258
01:01:19,947 --> 01:01:22,227
Speaker 4: guys are happy to have a top ten, top twenty,

1259
01:01:22,427 --> 01:01:24,467
Speaker 4: or some guys just happy to make the cut, make

1260
01:01:24,507 --> 01:01:28,227
Speaker 4: a check. But his only, you know, signal of a

1261
01:01:28,227 --> 01:01:31,147
Speaker 4: good week is a victory, and that brings a lot

1262
01:01:31,147 --> 01:01:33,587
Speaker 4: of pressure when you're getting for a guy like that.

1263
01:01:34,227 --> 01:01:38,587
Speaker 4: But yeah, look, that's just the way it was with Sayer.

1264
01:01:38,627 --> 01:01:42,387
Speaker 4: He was incredibly intense and that's just, you know, that's

1265
01:01:42,427 --> 01:01:43,107
Speaker 4: the nature of it.

1266
01:01:44,787 --> 01:01:46,987
Speaker 2: So I mean, like I say, the book's terrific. I

1267
01:01:47,067 --> 01:01:48,747
Speaker 2: know people are going to love reading it. Just to

1268
01:01:48,747 --> 01:01:52,147
Speaker 2: final question on your golf watching habits these days, I

1269
01:01:52,187 --> 01:01:53,427
Speaker 2: heard you don't watch a lot. Are you going to

1270
01:01:53,507 --> 01:01:54,507
Speaker 2: watch the Masters?

1271
01:01:55,387 --> 01:01:58,027
Speaker 4: You look, I don't really know why, but I've never

1272
01:01:58,067 --> 01:02:01,587
Speaker 4: really watched much golf. I used to when I was catting.

1273
01:02:01,627 --> 01:02:05,107
Speaker 4: I'd like to watch the Open Championship because the BBC

1274
01:02:05,227 --> 01:02:07,107
Speaker 4: has that going all days. So let's say you were

1275
01:02:07,107 --> 01:02:09,987
Speaker 4: off in the afternoon, you could watch all eighteen holes

1276
01:02:09,987 --> 01:02:11,587
Speaker 4: in the morning. You see where the wind is, what

1277
01:02:11,667 --> 01:02:14,107
Speaker 4: the players tendencies were on those holes, and so forth.

1278
01:02:14,147 --> 01:02:18,467
Speaker 4: But look, yeah, I just don't watch golf. I find it,

1279
01:02:18,707 --> 01:02:23,347
Speaker 4: be honest, I find it quite boring to watch golf. Yeah,

1280
01:02:23,427 --> 01:02:25,467
Speaker 4: I guess when you're involved in something in that. But

1281
01:02:26,227 --> 01:02:29,267
Speaker 4: you know, I did watch in twenty nineteen, you know,

1282
01:02:29,267 --> 01:02:32,547
Speaker 4: when Tiger won the Masters Championship. I did tune into that.

1283
01:02:33,147 --> 01:02:35,547
Speaker 4: But no, I won't find myself glued to the TV.

1284
01:02:35,667 --> 01:02:38,147
Speaker 4: I just I don't watch golf period. I mean, I

1285
01:02:38,187 --> 01:02:40,147
Speaker 4: love watching my rugby and my mother sport.

1286
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Speaker 2: As we all do. Hey, Steve again, congrats on the

1287
01:02:43,227 --> 01:02:45,947
Speaker 2: book Together We Roared alongside Tiger for his epic twelve

1288
01:02:46,027 --> 01:02:48,907
Speaker 2: year thirteen Majors run. Hope you sell heaps. Thanks for

1289
01:02:48,947 --> 01:02:49,827
Speaker 2: having a chat to us.

1290
01:02:50,067 --> 01:02:51,667
Speaker 4: Yeah, have a good weekend, you have a good.

1291
01:02:51,507 --> 01:02:54,667
Speaker 2: Weekeet into Steve. Thanks indeed, Steve William's there. Together We

1292
01:02:54,747 --> 01:02:58,147
Speaker 2: Roared as the name of the book, It's terrific. If

1293
01:02:58,187 --> 01:03:02,027
Speaker 2: you're into golf, you'll absolutely love it. The detail that

1294
01:03:02,107 --> 01:03:04,467
Speaker 2: he goes into I didn't know this about Steve Williams,

1295
01:03:04,547 --> 01:03:08,747
Speaker 2: but and he mentioned it there ye, the sheer volume

1296
01:03:08,867 --> 01:03:14,347
Speaker 2: of notes that he kept, it's quite rare among caddies

1297
01:03:14,387 --> 01:03:17,467
Speaker 2: to I mean, I think they all have their own processes.

1298
01:03:17,507 --> 01:03:22,747
Speaker 2: But from what I can gather, the sheer volume of

1299
01:03:22,867 --> 01:03:27,307
Speaker 2: notes and observations and stats that Steve Williams kept about

1300
01:03:27,587 --> 01:03:32,827
Speaker 2: golfers and golf courses was far and away more than

1301
01:03:32,867 --> 01:03:35,827
Speaker 2: most caddies did. And maybe that's it. Maybe that's the

1302
01:03:35,867 --> 01:03:40,307
Speaker 2: secret to his success. The current Masters, Justin Rose leads

1303
01:03:41,187 --> 01:03:43,427
Speaker 2: at the halfway point. He shot a one under par

1304
01:03:43,587 --> 01:03:46,587
Speaker 2: round today to go to eight under the card. He

1305
01:03:46,707 --> 01:03:50,307
Speaker 2: has a one shot lead from Bryson d Chambeau. D

1306
01:03:50,427 --> 01:03:53,947
Speaker 2: Chambeau shot a four under sixty eight in his second

1307
01:03:54,027 --> 01:03:57,867
Speaker 2: round to move up to outright second, and then Rory

1308
01:03:57,987 --> 01:04:00,867
Speaker 2: McElroy with the round of the day, a six under

1309
01:04:00,947 --> 01:04:06,227
Speaker 2: sixty six for Rory McElroy, including an eagle on the

1310
01:04:06,507 --> 01:04:10,867
Speaker 2: par five thirteenth. He also had birdies on two, ten, eleven,

1311
01:04:10,907 --> 01:04:14,547
Speaker 2: and fifteen. Terrific round from Rory McElroy to move up

1312
01:04:14,547 --> 01:04:16,947
Speaker 2: to six under, just two shots off the lead and

1313
01:04:16,987 --> 01:04:20,307
Speaker 2: in a share of third place alongside the Canadian Cory

1314
01:04:20,427 --> 01:04:22,827
Speaker 2: Conners who had a two under round today. He was

1315
01:04:22,827 --> 01:04:25,227
Speaker 2: a bit up and down. Actually four birdies two bogies

1316
01:04:25,227 --> 01:04:27,827
Speaker 2: for Corey Connors, but still there in a share of

1317
01:04:27,907 --> 01:04:30,267
Speaker 2: third place. And then you go down to a bunch

1318
01:04:30,307 --> 01:04:32,747
Speaker 2: of four golfers who were at five under the card,

1319
01:04:33,187 --> 01:04:36,747
Speaker 2: and in amongst them you find the defending champion, Scotty Scheffler,

1320
01:04:36,907 --> 01:04:41,907
Speaker 2: who had again another very up and down. How's this

1321
01:04:41,987 --> 01:04:47,507
Speaker 2: for a round for Scotty Scheffler. Pa Bertie, pa, pa,

1322
01:04:47,547 --> 01:04:50,867
Speaker 2: pa Birdie. It's going right so far? Then bogie birdie

1323
01:04:51,147 --> 01:04:58,627
Speaker 2: par bogeie bogeye Bertie, Pa Bertie par bogey birdie bogie.

1324
01:04:58,987 --> 01:05:03,867
Speaker 2: So what's that? One two, three, five bogies one two three,

1325
01:05:04,147 --> 01:05:08,187
Speaker 2: four five six birdies for a one under. He saw

1326
01:05:08,267 --> 01:05:09,947
Speaker 2: all parts of the course by the sounds of things,

1327
01:05:09,947 --> 01:05:13,027
Speaker 2: Scotty Scheffler, But still there as in a tie for

1328
01:05:13,387 --> 01:05:16,827
Speaker 2: fifth at five under. It's going to be a sensational

1329
01:05:16,907 --> 01:05:19,907
Speaker 2: last couple of days of the Masters at Augusta tomorrow

1330
01:05:19,947 --> 01:05:22,067
Speaker 2: on the show, we'll get you there to get some

1331
01:05:22,107 --> 01:05:25,107
Speaker 2: insight into how the third round has gone. With Grahame

1332
01:05:25,107 --> 01:05:27,267
Speaker 2: a Gas of course, who has seen I guess probably

1333
01:05:27,307 --> 01:05:29,707
Speaker 2: more Masters than anybody. When we come back, though, we're

1334
01:05:29,747 --> 01:05:32,147
Speaker 2: going to go to Augusta and talk to a man

1335
01:05:32,147 --> 01:05:35,027
Speaker 2: who knows all about grass, but usually grass of the

1336
01:05:35,107 --> 01:05:39,547
Speaker 2: rugby and cricket type. Carl Johnson, turf manager for FMG

1337
01:05:39,627 --> 01:05:42,787
Speaker 2: Stadium in Hamilton, and said, in park in Hamilton is

1338
01:05:42,827 --> 01:05:46,027
Speaker 2: over at Augusta. What's he seen? What's it like there?

1339
01:05:46,467 --> 01:05:48,707
Speaker 2: What canon can't you do? Has he got any merch?

1340
01:05:49,307 --> 01:05:53,907
Speaker 2: And all of these other very very very posing questions

1341
01:05:53,907 --> 01:05:56,347
Speaker 2: that I'll pose to Carl Johnson when we come back.

1342
01:05:56,387 --> 01:05:58,707
Speaker 2: Just a quick word on topor where there are twenty

1343
01:05:58,707 --> 01:06:01,707
Speaker 2: two laps through the thirty seven lap first race of

1344
01:06:01,747 --> 01:06:03,907
Speaker 2: the day and Matt Paine continues to lead and now

1345
01:06:03,907 --> 01:06:06,667
Speaker 2: he's got his lead up to almost a week and

1346
01:06:06,667 --> 01:06:10,827
Speaker 2: from cam Waters. So Matt Payne looking good as he

1347
01:06:11,067 --> 01:06:13,827
Speaker 2: looks to win the first race of the of the

1348
01:06:13,907 --> 01:06:16,707
Speaker 2: day in Topoor. Back in a moment though with Carl

1349
01:06:16,787 --> 01:06:17,947
Speaker 2: Johnson at Augusta.

1350
01:06:18,547 --> 01:06:22,107
Speaker 1: The biggest things in sports are on Weekend Sports with

1351
01:06:22,267 --> 01:06:26,387
Speaker 1: Jason Pain and GJ. Junnerholmes, New Zealand's most trusted home

1352
01:06:26,427 --> 01:06:28,667
Speaker 1: builder News talks 'b one.

1353
01:06:28,547 --> 01:06:30,787
Speaker 2: Point thirty four On News Talks, there'd be from Jared

1354
01:06:30,827 --> 01:06:32,427
Speaker 2: top interview with Steve Williams. He would have to be

1355
01:06:32,507 --> 01:06:35,187
Speaker 2: the best caddie ever period. I read his first book,

1356
01:06:35,267 --> 01:06:38,147
Speaker 2: A true pro with his craft. Looking forward to reading

1357
01:06:38,147 --> 01:06:41,027
Speaker 2: his new book, Thanks Jared, and Lindsay says a fascinating

1358
01:06:41,067 --> 01:06:43,587
Speaker 2: interview with Steve Williams. And I'm not even a golfer.

1359
01:06:43,627 --> 01:06:46,667
Speaker 2: It amazes and impresses me how many top sports people

1360
01:06:46,787 --> 01:06:51,427
Speaker 2: like him and Richie mccaugh kept detailed notebooks. No wonder

1361
01:06:51,467 --> 01:06:53,667
Speaker 2: they got to the top bang on. Lindsay gets that

1362
01:06:53,707 --> 01:06:57,867
Speaker 2: attention to detail. I think that that sets sets some

1363
01:06:57,947 --> 01:07:01,267
Speaker 2: of the really really top professionals in their field apart

1364
01:07:01,387 --> 01:07:05,467
Speaker 2: leaving absolutely nothing to chance. Twenty five to two. Speaking

1365
01:07:05,507 --> 01:07:08,187
Speaker 2: of people at the top of their craft, turf manager

1366
01:07:08,427 --> 01:07:11,267
Speaker 2: at FMG Stadium in Hamilton and said in part two,

1367
01:07:11,627 --> 01:07:15,427
Speaker 2: Carl Johnson is in Augusta at the moment. Often we

1368
01:07:15,467 --> 01:07:17,187
Speaker 2: get you on to talk about the grass at one

1369
01:07:17,227 --> 01:07:20,147
Speaker 2: of your venues back in the tron kJ, how's the

1370
01:07:20,187 --> 01:07:22,147
Speaker 2: grass at Augusta.

1371
01:07:22,627 --> 01:07:24,747
Speaker 18: Mate, I have died and gone to heaven.

1372
01:07:24,867 --> 01:07:26,427
Speaker 3: It is amazing.

1373
01:07:26,867 --> 01:07:29,067
Speaker 18: I was with a good friend of mine, Bert Smith,

1374
01:07:29,547 --> 01:07:32,067
Speaker 18: and when we walked in the gate, I had to

1375
01:07:32,107 --> 01:07:34,747
Speaker 18: apologize because I was just looking down the whole time.

1376
01:07:34,747 --> 01:07:36,987
Speaker 18: But he's looking up around the golf course and I

1377
01:07:37,107 --> 01:07:41,947
Speaker 18: was just their places place is amazing, brilliant.

1378
01:07:41,987 --> 01:07:45,347
Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about the Augusta experience. I want to

1379
01:07:45,387 --> 01:07:47,027
Speaker 2: talk to you more about the ins and outs of

1380
01:07:47,067 --> 01:07:49,587
Speaker 2: the of the turf in a moment. But once you're

1381
01:07:49,627 --> 01:07:52,267
Speaker 2: in the gates, kJ, what can you do and what

1382
01:07:52,387 --> 01:07:52,947
Speaker 2: can't you do?

1383
01:07:54,147 --> 01:07:55,587
Speaker 3: The rules are pretty tight.

1384
01:07:56,027 --> 01:07:59,147
Speaker 18: They told me what color shirt I wasn't allowed to

1385
01:07:59,147 --> 01:08:00,067
Speaker 18: wear and all sort of suing.

1386
01:08:00,067 --> 01:08:02,787
Speaker 3: Now the rules are pretty stract. But one of the

1387
01:08:02,827 --> 01:08:04,947
Speaker 3: traditions that you had to do is to buy a seat.

1388
01:08:05,307 --> 01:08:07,067
Speaker 3: And I wanted to buy my own seat.

1389
01:08:07,307 --> 01:08:09,707
Speaker 18: My mate ed one forman Nope, I'm going to buy it,

1390
01:08:09,747 --> 01:08:12,747
Speaker 18: and you buy a seat. We got there newly because

1391
01:08:12,747 --> 01:08:15,227
Speaker 18: we wanted to get We wanted to get beside the

1392
01:08:15,267 --> 01:08:17,947
Speaker 18: thirteenth or the other thirteenth green was a short part five.

1393
01:08:18,467 --> 01:08:19,427
Speaker 3: So we got our seat.

1394
01:08:19,507 --> 01:08:21,547
Speaker 18: And you take your seat, and you put it there,

1395
01:08:21,907 --> 01:08:23,987
Speaker 18: and you leave it and no one sits in it

1396
01:08:24,387 --> 01:08:26,467
Speaker 18: the whole day and just come back to you said, which,

1397
01:08:27,507 --> 01:08:29,067
Speaker 18: try and do that anywhere else in the world where

1398
01:08:29,067 --> 01:08:29,907
Speaker 18: you leave a seat.

1399
01:08:29,667 --> 01:08:32,027
Speaker 3: Someone will steal the seat or they'll be sitting on it.

1400
01:08:32,307 --> 01:08:34,387
Speaker 18: So those are the things that were like and just

1401
01:08:35,507 --> 01:08:37,427
Speaker 18: I don't know, the buzz around the place and the

1402
01:08:37,507 --> 01:08:42,347
Speaker 18: people are just like just so incredibly friendly and so

1403
01:08:42,627 --> 01:08:45,467
Speaker 18: privileged to be able to be at the Masters. It

1404
01:08:45,547 --> 01:08:46,507
Speaker 18: is a mate.

1405
01:08:46,547 --> 01:08:46,827
Speaker 3: It is.

1406
01:08:47,747 --> 01:08:50,627
Speaker 18: Words can't describe what an awesome place it is.

1407
01:08:50,987 --> 01:08:53,667
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard that tradition about the seat and often

1408
01:08:53,707 --> 01:08:56,107
Speaker 2: you see, you know, a bunch of seats empty on

1409
01:08:56,427 --> 01:08:58,827
Speaker 2: the eighteenth green whatever it is, But that's because somebody's

1410
01:08:58,827 --> 01:09:00,787
Speaker 2: put them there and they're not there for that particular

1411
01:09:01,427 --> 01:09:04,347
Speaker 2: group of players. Have you been moving around? Can you

1412
01:09:04,387 --> 01:09:07,347
Speaker 2: move around freely? Can you follow pretty much any group

1413
01:09:07,347 --> 01:09:08,987
Speaker 2: that you want to if you wanted.

1414
01:09:08,707 --> 01:09:10,347
Speaker 3: To, Yes, you can.

1415
01:09:10,467 --> 01:09:13,467
Speaker 18: We actually ended up by walking the entire golf course.

1416
01:09:13,547 --> 01:09:16,427
Speaker 18: So we got straight over the thirteen cs and we

1417
01:09:16,467 --> 01:09:19,667
Speaker 18: went straight to the first green. Now, the first player

1418
01:09:19,707 --> 01:09:23,147
Speaker 18: I saw was Bubba Watson, and I'm just going stopper,

1419
01:09:23,227 --> 01:09:25,507
Speaker 18: you know this is then he's the first golfer I

1420
01:09:25,627 --> 01:09:27,387
Speaker 18: seen it at eight o'clock in the morning and it's

1421
01:09:27,427 --> 01:09:31,507
Speaker 18: Bubba Watson. Amazing, And so we we stayed and watched

1422
01:09:31,507 --> 01:09:35,507
Speaker 18: a few groups go through saw Dustin Johnson, all these

1423
01:09:35,667 --> 01:09:38,947
Speaker 18: all these names. Then we walked the entire golf course,

1424
01:09:40,187 --> 01:09:42,267
Speaker 18: caught up the one I really wanted to see my

1425
01:09:42,387 --> 01:09:45,987
Speaker 18: oldest son, whose name is Zach Johnson, so wanted to

1426
01:09:46,107 --> 01:09:49,507
Speaker 18: obviously see Zak Johnson. I also have a really good

1427
01:09:49,547 --> 01:09:53,107
Speaker 18: connection with John Here. Zack Johnson the golfer is actually

1428
01:09:53,187 --> 01:09:54,427
Speaker 18: sponsored by John Here.

1429
01:09:54,347 --> 01:09:57,867
Speaker 3: So so that was quite a nice little connection. We

1430
01:09:58,067 --> 01:09:59,907
Speaker 3: then caught up.

1431
01:09:59,827 --> 01:10:03,107
Speaker 18: With a greenkeeper from Zeland who's been going over there

1432
01:10:03,107 --> 01:10:06,267
Speaker 18: for the last ten years named Sam Lambro, and I

1433
01:10:06,347 --> 01:10:08,147
Speaker 18: actually played golf.

1434
01:10:08,347 --> 01:10:10,627
Speaker 3: His golf end cricket was his father.

1435
01:10:10,467 --> 01:10:13,947
Speaker 18: And ekrole when I was a hit dreenkeeper over there

1436
01:10:13,947 --> 01:10:17,507
Speaker 18: in nineteen ninety, so I pre organized it. One of

1437
01:10:17,507 --> 01:10:21,907
Speaker 18: the things finally that blew me away has no cell phones, right,

1438
01:10:21,947 --> 01:10:24,987
Speaker 18: so no cell phones, no cameras, so for once in

1439
01:10:24,987 --> 01:10:29,187
Speaker 18: your life you're not looking at your phone or by

1440
01:10:29,227 --> 01:10:30,027
Speaker 18: talking to people.

1441
01:10:30,627 --> 01:10:33,227
Speaker 3: Just met lots of people and soenters. I opened my

1442
01:10:33,307 --> 01:10:36,187
Speaker 3: mouth obviously the accent. People wanted to know where we're from.

1443
01:10:36,747 --> 01:10:38,467
Speaker 18: How come I go to how can I go to

1444
01:10:38,547 --> 01:10:39,107
Speaker 18: the Masters?

1445
01:10:39,227 --> 01:10:40,627
Speaker 3: How am I finding it?

1446
01:10:40,787 --> 01:10:41,747
Speaker 18: Just acredible?

1447
01:10:41,787 --> 01:10:42,147
Speaker 4: Mate?

1448
01:10:42,307 --> 01:10:45,147
Speaker 2: Well, tell us about what you saw when you looked down,

1449
01:10:45,227 --> 01:10:48,747
Speaker 2: I mean on television it just looks perfectly manicured obviously,

1450
01:10:48,827 --> 01:10:50,427
Speaker 2: the grass on a golf course very different. You know,

1451
01:10:50,507 --> 01:10:52,987
Speaker 2: there's there's the greens, there's the fairway, there's the rough.

1452
01:10:53,427 --> 01:10:55,907
Speaker 2: What is the grass, geek in you scene?

1453
01:10:56,907 --> 01:10:59,907
Speaker 3: Oh mate, it's pure right grass everywhere.

1454
01:10:59,907 --> 01:11:02,347
Speaker 18: The water war but what had happened overnight that had

1455
01:11:02,387 --> 01:11:05,147
Speaker 18: half into rain. So they have what they call a

1456
01:11:05,227 --> 01:11:08,587
Speaker 18: subbi air drainage system, so you can hear there's these

1457
01:11:08,707 --> 01:11:11,827
Speaker 18: fans working away, they're sucking the moisture through the whole profile.

1458
01:11:12,147 --> 01:11:15,187
Speaker 18: They were out testing fays and just the amount of

1459
01:11:15,187 --> 01:11:17,667
Speaker 18: staff they had their first in the morning. You know,

1460
01:11:17,707 --> 01:11:22,547
Speaker 18: they'll blowbacking pine needles off voas and just incredible detail

1461
01:11:22,867 --> 01:11:25,107
Speaker 18: and one of the things that you probably hear about

1462
01:11:25,147 --> 01:11:27,707
Speaker 18: a lot for people who have played or have been there,

1463
01:11:28,067 --> 01:11:31,587
Speaker 18: and you can't appreciate it on TV. It's just how

1464
01:11:31,827 --> 01:11:35,507
Speaker 18: steep the slopes are. You know, a lot of the

1465
01:11:35,547 --> 01:11:41,547
Speaker 18: eighteenth and the front fourteen green. They just severe undulations

1466
01:11:41,547 --> 01:11:44,227
Speaker 18: and the sweetness. And I actually had a knee operation

1467
01:11:45,027 --> 01:11:47,827
Speaker 18: a year ago, so your needs a bit saw today, mate,

1468
01:11:47,827 --> 01:11:49,307
Speaker 18: But I'm putting up with that pain.

1469
01:11:49,627 --> 01:11:52,067
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, I'm sure that it'll be masked by the

1470
01:11:52,667 --> 01:11:55,707
Speaker 2: experience that Jevin, what about the what about the merchandise

1471
01:11:56,187 --> 01:11:58,187
Speaker 2: here that anything that you can put a logo on

1472
01:11:58,267 --> 01:11:58,707
Speaker 2: they sell.

1473
01:11:58,867 --> 01:12:02,467
Speaker 18: Is that right, that's one hundred percent creed. When we

1474
01:12:02,547 --> 01:12:05,627
Speaker 18: first got there, the queues to get into the the

1475
01:12:05,667 --> 01:12:08,107
Speaker 18: pro shop, but we didn't even bother it all.

1476
01:12:08,107 --> 01:12:10,467
Speaker 3: We'll come back later. We're back later. In this place.

1477
01:12:10,467 --> 01:12:12,747
Speaker 18: You can spend hours in there in the credit card

1478
01:12:12,867 --> 01:12:15,107
Speaker 18: concertainly get worn out of a lot.

1479
01:12:15,907 --> 01:12:17,227
Speaker 3: I did buy a few items.

1480
01:12:17,227 --> 01:12:20,987
Speaker 18: I kind of had to come home with something again,

1481
01:12:21,507 --> 01:12:23,947
Speaker 18: little things too pintly that you can't take cameras. So

1482
01:12:24,827 --> 01:12:28,907
Speaker 18: they do offer in front of the clubhouse is the garden.

1483
01:12:28,587 --> 01:12:28,827
Speaker 10: With the.

1484
01:12:30,347 --> 01:12:33,867
Speaker 18: Map of of America with a flag and we're Augusta

1485
01:12:33,867 --> 01:12:36,347
Speaker 18: and so you give you a traditional photo there and

1486
01:12:36,387 --> 01:12:38,227
Speaker 18: you skin up later on when you get home. So

1487
01:12:38,307 --> 01:12:41,427
Speaker 18: that's my one little evidence that I made it. Made

1488
01:12:41,427 --> 01:12:43,107
Speaker 18: a little gast, but yeah, I have got I have

1489
01:12:43,187 --> 01:12:46,147
Speaker 18: got a bag full of goodies, just a few things

1490
01:12:46,227 --> 01:12:48,787
Speaker 18: just to say I didn't make it and get recruit

1491
01:12:48,987 --> 01:12:49,347
Speaker 18: for sure.

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01:12:49,547 --> 01:12:52,107
Speaker 2: Amazing. All right, So two rounds and you are presumably

1493
01:12:52,147 --> 01:12:53,467
Speaker 2: staying for round three and four?

1494
01:12:53,547 --> 01:12:56,347
Speaker 3: Are you staying for round three?

1495
01:12:56,867 --> 01:12:57,067
Speaker 9: Then?

1496
01:12:57,747 --> 01:13:01,907
Speaker 18: Actually were golfing taking I don't even know we were

1497
01:13:01,947 --> 01:13:04,987
Speaker 18: golfing on Sunday. Then on Monday, I'm actually flying to

1498
01:13:05,147 --> 01:13:06,187
Speaker 18: Florida and.

1499
01:13:06,067 --> 01:13:07,547
Speaker 3: I'm staying with Crow.

1500
01:13:09,387 --> 01:13:11,987
Speaker 18: And I've got a few rounds of golf with Chopper

1501
01:13:12,027 --> 01:13:15,027
Speaker 18: and Florida and a few nights then I'm sure he'll

1502
01:13:15,027 --> 01:13:18,627
Speaker 18: fire up the barbecue and I'm sure Popper a cork

1503
01:13:18,667 --> 01:13:20,787
Speaker 18: out of a bottle. I'm sure, and he's fly home

1504
01:13:21,187 --> 01:13:21,867
Speaker 18: on Tuesday.

1505
01:13:22,347 --> 01:13:24,907
Speaker 2: Wonderful experience for you, kJ Thanks for painting a picture

1506
01:13:24,907 --> 01:13:27,307
Speaker 2: for us, mate. Awesome that you've got the chance to go.

1507
01:13:27,387 --> 01:13:29,627
Speaker 2: I'm just so stoked for you, mate. We'll catch up

1508
01:13:29,667 --> 01:13:30,307
Speaker 2: when you get back.

1509
01:13:31,027 --> 01:13:31,627
Speaker 18: Look forward to it.

1510
01:13:31,627 --> 01:13:32,667
Speaker 3: Thanks, funny, and you have.

1511
01:13:33,347 --> 01:13:34,827
Speaker 2: You have a great day too, mate. Sounds like you

1512
01:13:34,907 --> 01:13:36,827
Speaker 2: have been to the evening that you can have a

1513
01:13:36,867 --> 01:13:38,667
Speaker 2: glass of red wine now, mate, I know you enjoy

1514
01:13:38,707 --> 01:13:43,267
Speaker 2: that as Carl Johnson over in Augusta. So just repeating.

1515
01:13:43,787 --> 01:13:47,547
Speaker 2: In terms of the leaderboard at Augusta, after two rounds

1516
01:13:47,547 --> 01:13:49,467
Speaker 2: and a halfway point, justin Rose Lee's by a shot

1517
01:13:49,507 --> 01:13:53,387
Speaker 2: from Bryson, d Chambeau, Rory McElroy and Corey Connors are

1518
01:13:53,387 --> 01:13:56,387
Speaker 2: in a tie for third, and a group of four

1519
01:13:56,427 --> 01:13:59,627
Speaker 2: golfers a shot further back at five under including Scottie Sheffler.

1520
01:13:59,787 --> 01:14:02,827
Speaker 2: What a final couple of rounds. It promises to be

1521
01:14:03,227 --> 01:14:07,427
Speaker 2: eighteen away from two. I'm gonna update you on the

1522
01:14:07,707 --> 01:14:10,387
Speaker 2: supercars when they put the graphic back up. But Matt

1523
01:14:10,707 --> 01:14:13,667
Speaker 2: Pain was leading last time they had that graphic up

1524
01:14:13,667 --> 01:14:15,707
Speaker 2: and it extended that lead. This is the first race

1525
01:14:15,707 --> 01:14:19,307
Speaker 2: of the afternoon in Topor. Had extended that lead up

1526
01:14:19,347 --> 01:14:24,147
Speaker 2: to what looked like a couple of seconds from from

1527
01:14:24,147 --> 01:14:28,707
Speaker 2: his closest challenger, who was Cam Waters, and Anton deep

1528
01:14:28,707 --> 01:14:31,867
Speaker 2: Asqual had got himself up into third place, with Ryan

1529
01:14:31,947 --> 01:14:34,307
Speaker 2: Wood in fourth. That was the last time they had

1530
01:14:34,347 --> 01:14:37,507
Speaker 2: the graphic up. With nine laps to go. Ok, they've

1531
01:14:37,507 --> 01:14:39,187
Speaker 2: put it back up again, which is handy. Just as

1532
01:14:39,187 --> 01:14:40,747
Speaker 2: I about to go to the break, so yes, So

1533
01:14:40,787 --> 01:14:44,387
Speaker 2: Matt Pain leads by one point seven seconds from Cam

1534
01:14:44,467 --> 01:14:48,107
Speaker 2: Waters in second, Anton deep As Squally is it Pasquali Pesqual?

1535
01:14:48,907 --> 01:14:50,787
Speaker 2: I think you know who I'm talking about. He's a

1536
01:14:50,827 --> 01:14:52,827
Speaker 2: further second and a half back, and then Ryan Wood

1537
01:14:52,947 --> 01:14:54,867
Speaker 2: is outright fourth at the moment, with quite a big

1538
01:14:54,947 --> 01:14:57,587
Speaker 2: lead back to the driver in fifth place. So it's

1539
01:14:57,627 --> 01:15:01,107
Speaker 2: looking as though Matt Pain is going to win the

1540
01:15:01,147 --> 01:15:03,467
Speaker 2: first race of the day in Topol. That will be

1541
01:15:03,507 --> 01:15:06,187
Speaker 2: a very popular win for the Kiwi. He topped the

1542
01:15:06,227 --> 01:15:09,187
Speaker 2: t timeshets and qualifying and has left pretty much the

1543
01:15:09,227 --> 01:15:11,307
Speaker 2: whole way. So we'll bring you a result of that

1544
01:15:11,427 --> 01:15:14,267
Speaker 2: probably during our two o'clock Sports News. But when we

1545
01:15:14,307 --> 01:15:17,067
Speaker 2: come back across the Tasman we go. Adam Peacock going

1546
01:15:17,067 --> 01:15:18,027
Speaker 2: to join us right after this.

1547
01:15:19,067 --> 01:15:22,587
Speaker 1: The Voice of Sport on your home of Sport Weekend

1548
01:15:22,667 --> 01:15:27,147
Speaker 1: Sport with Jason GJ. Gunn homes New Zealand's most trusted

1549
01:15:27,187 --> 01:15:28,027
Speaker 1: own builder.

1550
01:15:27,787 --> 01:15:31,707
Speaker 2: News Talk fourteen away from two Saturday afternoon means a

1551
01:15:31,707 --> 01:15:33,907
Speaker 2: bunch of stuff, including a trip across the Tasma to

1552
01:15:33,947 --> 01:15:35,107
Speaker 2: catch up with Adam Peacock.

1553
01:15:35,147 --> 01:15:38,067
Speaker 11: Hello mate, how are you good?

1554
01:15:38,107 --> 01:15:41,587
Speaker 2: Did you did you channel your your inner justin Rose

1555
01:15:41,627 --> 01:15:44,107
Speaker 2: out there on your golf this morning? No doubt you

1556
01:15:44,107 --> 01:15:46,987
Speaker 2: would have got inspiration from watching the Masters in the

1557
01:15:47,347 --> 01:15:49,027
Speaker 2: few hours before you took to the course.

1558
01:15:49,987 --> 01:15:54,867
Speaker 11: Yeah, Moore can Davis nine over? So yeah, anyway I

1559
01:15:54,947 --> 01:15:56,427
Speaker 11: got out there, that's the main thing.

1560
01:15:56,827 --> 01:15:59,267
Speaker 2: So good.

1561
01:15:59,867 --> 01:16:02,667
Speaker 11: It was beautiful out there today, but yeah it is

1562
01:16:02,707 --> 01:16:04,467
Speaker 11: like that this time of year. You watched that for

1563
01:16:04,547 --> 01:16:07,747
Speaker 11: a bit, they'd make it look so easy and then

1564
01:16:07,747 --> 01:16:09,587
Speaker 11: about too old. Did you realize, Oh yeah, this is

1565
01:16:09,587 --> 01:16:11,787
Speaker 11: why I'm here and there there? So anyway that good?

1566
01:16:12,347 --> 01:16:14,467
Speaker 2: Have you had the chance to visit AUGUSTA.

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01:16:16,067 --> 01:16:18,627
Speaker 11: Fun story. I was going for Fox Sports in twenty

1568
01:16:18,627 --> 01:16:21,307
Speaker 11: twenty and then someone out at bat in China and

1569
01:16:21,347 --> 01:16:23,827
Speaker 11: that was the end of that. I since left Fox,

1570
01:16:23,827 --> 01:16:25,267
Speaker 11: so I was on guard. But that's mine.

1571
01:16:25,347 --> 01:16:25,627
Speaker 4: It was.

1572
01:16:26,227 --> 01:16:28,987
Speaker 11: I'm happy to watch. It's such a beautiful, beautiful TV.

1573
01:16:29,107 --> 01:16:31,467
Speaker 11: And then, isn't it? So yeah, one day I'll get

1574
01:16:31,467 --> 01:16:32,427
Speaker 11: there one day yourself?

1575
01:16:33,227 --> 01:16:35,707
Speaker 2: No, no, no, but I mean just talking. We just

1576
01:16:35,707 --> 01:16:38,467
Speaker 2: had Steve Williams on the show Tiger Woods, longtime caddy,

1577
01:16:38,507 --> 01:16:40,787
Speaker 2: and just listening to him regardless with stories about it,

1578
01:16:40,867 --> 01:16:43,307
Speaker 2: and yeah, I mean it looks like Disneyland on television,

1579
01:16:43,347 --> 01:16:45,467
Speaker 2: doesn't it. Yeah. So maybe one day the two of

1580
01:16:45,547 --> 01:16:47,187
Speaker 2: us could go together and do a radio show over

1581
01:16:47,187 --> 01:16:48,027
Speaker 2: there or something. I don't know.

1582
01:16:48,907 --> 01:16:51,907
Speaker 11: I mean, I mean, let me know, all right, let's talk.

1583
01:16:52,107 --> 01:16:53,747
Speaker 2: Let's talk. What's happening in You're Nick of the Woods

1584
01:16:53,747 --> 01:16:56,027
Speaker 2: at the moment. I'm not sure how you pick NRL

1585
01:16:56,107 --> 01:16:58,907
Speaker 2: results at the moment. I see last night the Roosters

1586
01:16:58,907 --> 01:17:02,067
Speaker 2: beat the Broncos, Penrith have lost. Goodness only knows how

1587
01:17:02,067 --> 01:17:03,787
Speaker 2: many matches in a row. Now, what's going on?

1588
01:17:04,827 --> 01:17:07,907
Speaker 11: Yeah, that Rooster's Bruce's Broncos won with a bit of

1589
01:17:07,947 --> 01:17:11,307
Speaker 11: an outlier. And our listen to Michael Maguire, the Broncos

1590
01:17:11,307 --> 01:17:15,427
Speaker 11: coach after its saying that I'm asking about Simmins and

1591
01:17:15,667 --> 01:17:17,987
Speaker 11: the confusion. He said, look, we like I'm going to

1592
01:17:17,987 --> 01:17:19,427
Speaker 11: take that away. I'm not even going to get into

1593
01:17:19,467 --> 01:17:21,387
Speaker 11: that conversation. We didn't do what we were meant to do,

1594
01:17:22,067 --> 01:17:24,267
Speaker 11: and he was pretty annoyed by it. But you get

1595
01:17:24,267 --> 01:17:26,107
Speaker 11: that early in the season with a new coach, I guess,

1596
01:17:26,147 --> 01:17:28,067
Speaker 11: and that gives the coach an opportunity to set a

1597
01:17:28,107 --> 01:17:30,147
Speaker 11: benchmark which they didn't reach in that game, so they

1598
01:17:30,147 --> 01:17:33,067
Speaker 11: concerned it all around it. Yeah, you're right, I'm not

1599
01:17:33,107 --> 01:17:35,667
Speaker 11: in zipping conference. Thank god, I'm not, because I have

1600
01:17:35,907 --> 01:17:37,827
Speaker 11: in the last head than I do, because it is

1601
01:17:37,867 --> 01:17:39,867
Speaker 11: so confusing at the moment about who's who and the

1602
01:17:39,947 --> 01:17:43,067
Speaker 11: zoo and what's happening. But good comp very good comp.

1603
01:17:43,427 --> 01:17:45,347
Speaker 2: And we spoke about Penrith. I think last week, it

1604
01:17:45,427 --> 01:17:47,107
Speaker 2: might have been the week before, but I saw the

1605
01:17:47,147 --> 01:17:50,507
Speaker 2: stat overnight about the number of points conceded by Penrith

1606
01:17:50,907 --> 01:17:54,267
Speaker 2: in their first six matches. So twenty twenty one thirty four,

1607
01:17:54,547 --> 01:17:57,867
Speaker 2: they're ninety two, seventy nine and seventy eight. That's in

1608
01:17:57,907 --> 01:18:00,627
Speaker 2: the first six matches of the last four seasons, one

1609
01:18:00,747 --> 01:18:04,587
Speaker 2: hundred and seventy points in their first six matches this season.

1610
01:18:04,667 --> 01:18:06,987
Speaker 2: So from five and a half points match in twenty

1611
01:18:07,027 --> 01:18:10,147
Speaker 2: twenty one to nearly twenty nine points a match this year.

1612
01:18:10,787 --> 01:18:13,787
Speaker 2: It's actually becoming quite concerning, isn't it. For Penrith.

1613
01:18:14,747 --> 01:18:17,027
Speaker 11: Yeah, and the other night was weird because it wasn't

1614
01:18:17,067 --> 01:18:19,227
Speaker 11: as if the Dolphins were camped in their area and

1615
01:18:19,267 --> 01:18:21,587
Speaker 11: then they capitalized on a couple of opportunities they had.

1616
01:18:21,787 --> 01:18:23,507
Speaker 11: It was like, at one stage, I think there was

1617
01:18:24,267 --> 01:18:27,027
Speaker 11: thirty tackles in the opposition, twenty for Penrith and only

1618
01:18:27,067 --> 01:18:29,227
Speaker 11: like six or seven for the Dolphins, but they'd scored

1619
01:18:29,267 --> 01:18:32,987
Speaker 11: three times. So it is weird, and it's systems that

1620
01:18:33,027 --> 01:18:35,227
Speaker 11: I don't quite comprehend when I'm watching the game that

1621
01:18:35,307 --> 01:18:37,787
Speaker 11: obviously Ivan Cleary is seeing things in his coaching staff

1622
01:18:37,787 --> 01:18:40,987
Speaker 11: that needs to be fixed drastically. I mean, overall, I

1623
01:18:41,027 --> 01:18:44,387
Speaker 11: do feel that Penrith they put so much effort into

1624
01:18:44,387 --> 01:18:48,827
Speaker 11: their first three tackles after they kick defensively and at

1625
01:18:48,827 --> 01:18:52,307
Speaker 11: the moment, they're just not getting the ball back where

1626
01:18:52,427 --> 01:18:55,627
Speaker 11: they ordinarily do to hurt the opposition, So it's and

1627
01:18:55,667 --> 01:18:58,027
Speaker 11: then they're getting behind on the scoreboard. And then you

1628
01:18:58,067 --> 01:19:00,707
Speaker 11: see what you saw the other night with decisions by

1629
01:19:00,707 --> 01:19:02,947
Speaker 11: over Nathan Cleary where he chuck on over the sideline.

1630
01:19:02,987 --> 01:19:07,867
Speaker 11: So it's all it's all in a whirlpool, and there's

1631
01:19:07,907 --> 01:19:11,267
Speaker 11: a lot of factors to it, but at the moment

1632
01:19:11,267 --> 01:19:13,427
Speaker 11: they can't get out of that whirlpool and it's going

1633
01:19:13,427 --> 01:19:15,587
Speaker 11: to take come quite extraordinary for them to even make

1634
01:19:15,627 --> 01:19:17,387
Speaker 11: the top four, even top eight at this day is

1635
01:19:17,427 --> 01:19:18,027
Speaker 11: the way they're going.

1636
01:19:19,827 --> 01:19:21,907
Speaker 2: It's crazy, isn't that. Let's go to rugby where Rugby

1637
01:19:21,907 --> 01:19:25,867
Speaker 2: Australia has confirmed the renewal of its broadcast partnership with

1638
01:19:26,107 --> 01:19:29,587
Speaker 2: Channel nineers through to twenty thirty, an uptick in the

1639
01:19:29,627 --> 01:19:34,387
Speaker 2: amount of money that they get from broadcast rights. I'm

1640
01:19:34,427 --> 01:19:36,307
Speaker 2: not quite sure what it means for free to wear though.

1641
01:19:36,467 --> 01:19:37,227
Speaker 2: Is this a good deal?

1642
01:19:38,627 --> 01:19:38,867
Speaker 18: Yeah?

1643
01:19:39,067 --> 01:19:42,107
Speaker 11: I mean a full disclaimer. I work for and sand

1644
01:19:42,147 --> 01:19:44,227
Speaker 11: I've got the right so over here, I did the

1645
01:19:44,307 --> 01:19:48,787
Speaker 11: Champions League before. It has meant that it's filled the

1646
01:19:48,827 --> 01:19:51,547
Speaker 11: pockets more than what you would if you just went

1647
01:19:51,587 --> 01:19:55,667
Speaker 11: with a free Toware deal, Wallabus tests and Wallaro's tests

1648
01:19:55,667 --> 01:19:57,867
Speaker 11: and everything will still be available on freeware, and that

1649
01:19:57,867 --> 01:19:58,467
Speaker 11: that should.

1650
01:19:58,267 --> 01:19:58,787
Speaker 3: Be the case.

1651
01:19:58,827 --> 01:20:02,707
Speaker 11: But Super Rugby I think now goes to stand but there.

1652
01:20:02,987 --> 01:20:05,467
Speaker 11: That's how you get your financial premium and at the

1653
01:20:05,467 --> 01:20:07,907
Speaker 11: moment rugby needs because they've got themselves into a horrible

1654
01:20:07,947 --> 01:20:12,307
Speaker 11: debt position over here, and thankfully they did go to

1655
01:20:12,387 --> 01:20:14,467
Speaker 11: private equity how to look at it and turned away

1656
01:20:14,467 --> 01:20:16,627
Speaker 11: from it because that then would have meant that you're

1657
01:20:16,627 --> 01:20:18,867
Speaker 11: just kicking the problem down the road. And I don't

1658
01:20:18,907 --> 01:20:20,747
Speaker 11: know what the situation is over there in New Zealand

1659
01:20:20,747 --> 01:20:23,067
Speaker 11: and how it's looking over there, but here, at least

1660
01:20:23,067 --> 01:20:25,587
Speaker 11: they don't have that hanging over their head in five

1661
01:20:25,707 --> 01:20:28,467
Speaker 11: six years time. So they're banking on the fact that

1662
01:20:28,947 --> 01:20:30,827
Speaker 11: the Lions two is going to be awesome and the

1663
01:20:30,867 --> 01:20:33,387
Speaker 11: World Cup's going to be awesome, and then after those

1664
01:20:33,427 --> 01:20:35,707
Speaker 11: three years after the World Cup, they're in a financially

1665
01:20:35,787 --> 01:20:38,707
Speaker 11: strong position, which they need to be for the future

1666
01:20:38,747 --> 01:20:40,987
Speaker 11: because the threat of having all their best young players

1667
01:20:41,067 --> 01:20:43,267
Speaker 11: been taken by a rugby league is very real over here.

1668
01:20:43,867 --> 01:20:47,107
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I think all those things will be exciting.

1669
01:20:47,147 --> 01:20:49,547
Speaker 2: The other thing, I think they've probably been negotiating at

1670
01:20:49,587 --> 01:20:51,467
Speaker 2: quite a good time around super rugby because you look

1671
01:20:51,467 --> 01:20:53,467
Speaker 2: at the table and all four of your teams are

1672
01:20:53,467 --> 01:20:55,987
Speaker 2: in the top six, including the Waratahs who beat the

1673
01:20:56,027 --> 01:21:00,547
Speaker 2: previously table topping Chiefs and suddenly last night and.

1674
01:21:00,387 --> 01:21:01,867
Speaker 11: Scored one of the best tries you.

1675
01:21:01,867 --> 01:21:06,787
Speaker 2: Like, I know, oh, I know, yeah.

1676
01:21:05,587 --> 01:21:07,147
Speaker 11: I don't know who. I've only seen it on my

1677
01:21:07,227 --> 01:21:08,987
Speaker 11: phone this morning, but that tap on back on the

1678
01:21:09,067 --> 01:21:10,867
Speaker 11: inside is one of the great players up there. With

1679
01:21:10,867 --> 01:21:12,947
Speaker 11: the Campo against Island in the ninety one World Cup.

1680
01:21:12,987 --> 01:21:13,827
Speaker 3: It's just I.

1681
01:21:13,747 --> 01:21:16,307
Speaker 11: Don't know how he saw and how he thought he'd.

1682
01:21:16,747 --> 01:21:17,667
Speaker 10: It was just magical.

1683
01:21:17,787 --> 01:21:20,027
Speaker 11: So you had moments like that, and you've got sway Lee,

1684
01:21:20,267 --> 01:21:23,067
Speaker 11: who's who've definitely had some cut through with your non

1685
01:21:23,187 --> 01:21:26,947
Speaker 11: rugby types over here. It's hard to put them. Is

1686
01:21:26,987 --> 01:21:29,707
Speaker 11: the valuation right on what you're paying him. It's really

1687
01:21:29,747 --> 01:21:33,427
Speaker 11: hard to line that up, but it's definitely kind of

1688
01:21:34,227 --> 01:21:36,627
Speaker 11: if you're looking at it, if it's a curve, it's

1689
01:21:36,627 --> 01:21:38,547
Speaker 11: going upwards, it's not going downwards.

1690
01:21:38,547 --> 01:21:39,067
Speaker 10: At the moment.

1691
01:21:39,427 --> 01:21:41,907
Speaker 11: Rugby in and over here and yeah, the line till

1692
01:21:42,027 --> 01:21:44,467
Speaker 11: is going to pop off, no doubt, and it's going

1693
01:21:44,467 --> 01:21:45,107
Speaker 11: to help the Sport.

1694
01:21:45,587 --> 01:21:47,987
Speaker 2: Yep, love to see it. Excellent the chat as always mate,

1695
01:21:47,987 --> 01:21:49,627
Speaker 2: you're back to it. Sounds like you're in the nineteenth

1696
01:21:49,627 --> 01:21:50,907
Speaker 2: at the moment. Have you moved on?

1697
01:21:52,027 --> 01:21:56,507
Speaker 11: No, I've come in for I'll just look good now.

1698
01:21:56,507 --> 01:21:58,587
Speaker 11: I'll just start a coffee and I'm going to go.

1699
01:21:58,627 --> 01:22:00,307
Speaker 11: I'm going to go and watch some football this afternoon,

1700
01:22:00,307 --> 01:22:03,467
Speaker 11: as you know, finding my son's playing again, so yeah,

1701
01:22:03,787 --> 01:22:05,747
Speaker 11: it's interesting to sad though my son plays the West

1702
01:22:05,787 --> 01:22:08,267
Speaker 11: and didn't hit it the MPL side and they're playing

1703
01:22:08,267 --> 01:22:10,827
Speaker 11: against the team that I'm on the board of. So yeah,

1704
01:22:11,467 --> 01:22:13,787
Speaker 11: hitting in the corner with a half half scarf, I think.

1705
01:22:15,267 --> 01:22:17,107
Speaker 2: I love it, mate. Always good to ten Adam. We'll

1706
01:22:17,107 --> 01:22:21,507
Speaker 2: do it again next Saturday. Can't lose good on your mates, yeah,

1707
01:22:21,547 --> 01:22:25,027
Speaker 2: Adam Peacock. They're out of Australia, our regular Australian correspondent

1708
01:22:25,067 --> 01:22:26,507
Speaker 2: here on Weekend Sports seven to two.

1709
01:22:27,347 --> 01:22:29,627
Speaker 1: When it's down to the line, you made a call

1710
01:22:29,787 --> 01:22:34,867
Speaker 1: on eighty Weekend Sport with Jason Payne, News Talk ZMP

1711
01:22:35,627 --> 01:22:36,067
Speaker 1: four to two.

1712
01:22:36,107 --> 01:22:38,267
Speaker 2: The check at flag is waved in Race one of

1713
01:22:38,307 --> 01:22:41,387
Speaker 2: Supercars this afternoon in top or Matt Payne, the Kiwi

1714
01:22:41,427 --> 01:22:44,467
Speaker 2: first across the line Ryan Wood also on the podium,

1715
01:22:44,467 --> 01:22:48,187
Speaker 2: finishing third, so a Kiwi won three with Cam Waters

1716
01:22:48,227 --> 01:22:52,147
Speaker 2: the Australian breaking it all up, so pain Waters would

1717
01:22:52,467 --> 01:22:54,907
Speaker 2: in race one in top or fantastic stuff for the

1718
01:22:54,947 --> 01:22:57,467
Speaker 2: Kiwi's nice day there in Topul as well by the

1719
01:22:57,467 --> 01:23:00,627
Speaker 2: looks of things. After two o'clock we'll get to Crusaders

1720
01:23:00,627 --> 01:23:03,307
Speaker 2: Country your top of the table and Super Rugby. How's

1721
01:23:03,347 --> 01:23:05,987
Speaker 2: your coach feeling pretty good? I imagine Rob Penny is

1722
01:23:05,987 --> 01:23:07,227
Speaker 2: our gear after two.

1723
01:23:07,107 --> 01:23:11,907
Speaker 1: O'clock the only place to discuss the biggest sports issues

1724
01:23:12,027 --> 01:23:15,707
Speaker 1: on and after fields. It's all on Wi Jons forward

1725
01:23:15,787 --> 01:23:18,987
Speaker 1: with Jason Jade on your Home of Sport.

1726
01:23:20,107 --> 01:23:20,787
Speaker 15: US Talk.

1727
01:23:22,067 --> 01:23:24,347
Speaker 2: Two Sex. Welcome in all, Welcome back as the case

1728
01:23:24,387 --> 01:23:26,627
Speaker 2: may be. This is Weekend Sport until three. I'm Jason

1729
01:23:26,667 --> 01:23:29,627
Speaker 2: pine Bevan, DWAT show producer today We're here till three

1730
01:23:30,107 --> 01:23:32,667
Speaker 2: and then Tim Peeterbridge will take over with the weekend

1731
01:23:32,707 --> 01:23:36,547
Speaker 2: Collective Saturday edition Beautiful Dame Wellington where I am hope

1732
01:23:36,547 --> 01:23:38,827
Speaker 2: it is where you are too looking at the weather

1733
01:23:38,907 --> 01:23:41,507
Speaker 2: in Topa or where they're just handing out the h

1734
01:23:42,507 --> 01:23:46,627
Speaker 2: the accolades after race won up there and as you

1735
01:23:46,667 --> 01:23:48,627
Speaker 2: heard on our sports news or just before to Matt

1736
01:23:48,707 --> 01:23:52,627
Speaker 2: Payne top of the podium, Cam Waters second, Ryan would third,

1737
01:23:52,707 --> 01:23:56,227
Speaker 2: so KEEWI one and three. There excellent stuff. Another race

1738
01:23:56,227 --> 01:23:58,067
Speaker 2: coming up but later on this afternoon and then one

1739
01:23:58,147 --> 01:24:02,027
Speaker 2: tomorrow as well. Tomorrow at a round about this time. Actually,

1740
01:24:02,067 --> 01:24:04,467
Speaker 2: Mark scaife is going to be on the show from

1741
01:24:04,507 --> 01:24:07,587
Speaker 2: topor to talk a bit about what he saw today

1742
01:24:07,667 --> 01:24:10,187
Speaker 2: and what he expects to see in the big sixty

1743
01:24:10,267 --> 01:24:13,307
Speaker 2: seven lapper. I think the final race tomorrow Mark's cape

1744
01:24:13,827 --> 01:24:17,347
Speaker 2: out of Taupo tomorrow this hour. Rob Penny along shortly

1745
01:24:17,467 --> 01:24:20,387
Speaker 2: from Crusader's Country top of the table after a hard

1746
01:24:20,387 --> 01:24:23,907
Speaker 2: foughtward over the Hurricanes last night Super Rugby opicky final

1747
01:24:23,947 --> 01:24:27,747
Speaker 2: tonight too Blues v Mutter two Eden part Kendrack Cox

1748
01:24:27,747 --> 01:24:29,827
Speaker 2: Sedge is going to preview that one for us and

1749
01:24:29,907 --> 01:24:33,907
Speaker 2: Steve Coriker out of Auckland FC. They take on Sydney FC,

1750
01:24:34,107 --> 01:24:39,787
Speaker 2: his former team for three points tonight, four games to go.

1751
01:24:40,027 --> 01:24:43,827
Speaker 2: They lead by just three points now Auckland FC from

1752
01:24:43,907 --> 01:24:45,947
Speaker 2: Melbourne City who won last night, So as a getting

1753
01:24:46,467 --> 01:24:48,547
Speaker 2: getting a bit tense, getting a bit tight for Auckland

1754
01:24:48,587 --> 01:24:51,067
Speaker 2: f C fans. I doubt the coaches too, concern all

1755
01:24:51,067 --> 01:24:53,307
Speaker 2: he can do is his look at what's in front

1756
01:24:53,347 --> 01:24:55,307
Speaker 2: of them. But I wonder whether Auckland f C fans

1757
01:24:55,307 --> 01:24:57,387
Speaker 2: are starting to get just a little bit nervous about

1758
01:24:57,427 --> 01:25:00,227
Speaker 2: what's going on in the A League at the moment.

1759
01:25:00,267 --> 01:25:00,347
Speaker 12: Now.

1760
01:25:00,387 --> 01:25:02,507
Speaker 2: Wellington Phoenix played this afternoon too, by the way, against

1761
01:25:02,547 --> 01:25:06,027
Speaker 2: Melbourn Victory Sky Stadium at five o'clock. Your causing correspondents

1762
01:25:06,067 --> 01:25:07,747
Speaker 2: can two you to be welcome on oh eight hundred

1763
01:25:07,947 --> 01:25:10,107
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty nine two nine to two on text

1764
01:25:10,187 --> 01:25:13,547
Speaker 2: or Emailster Jason at Newstalk SEDV dot Co dot nz

1765
01:25:13,747 --> 01:25:16,547
Speaker 2: Rodpenny shortly, But as we always do at a round

1766
01:25:16,547 --> 01:25:19,307
Speaker 2: about this time on weekend Sport, it's time to get

1767
01:25:19,307 --> 01:25:22,107
Speaker 2: you up today with the things you may have missed,

1768
01:25:22,507 --> 01:25:24,347
Speaker 2: some of the stuff that might have escaped your attention

1769
01:25:24,467 --> 01:25:26,147
Speaker 2: in case you missed it as the name of the feature,

1770
01:25:26,667 --> 01:25:29,547
Speaker 2: and we start with motorsport and the bar Rain Grand Prix,

1771
01:25:29,547 --> 01:25:32,787
Speaker 2: where the McLarens have once again set the pace in

1772
01:25:32,867 --> 01:25:33,867
Speaker 2: practice too.

1773
01:25:34,267 --> 01:25:38,387
Speaker 19: Coscar Piastri with the fastest time overall from his teammate

1774
01:25:38,507 --> 01:25:42,027
Speaker 19: Lando Norris tenth and a half. Between the two McLaren

1775
01:25:42,147 --> 01:25:46,107
Speaker 19: drivers three tenths faster than George Russell.

1776
01:25:46,267 --> 01:25:49,267
Speaker 2: There were signs though, of improvement from Liam Lawson. He

1777
01:25:49,347 --> 01:25:53,067
Speaker 2: was twelfth fastest in practice, two one point two seconds

1778
01:25:53,107 --> 01:25:56,987
Speaker 2: behind Pastree. He was six places behind his racing balls

1779
01:25:57,027 --> 01:26:01,667
Speaker 2: teammate Isaac Hadjar though Bart six places ahead of Yuki Sonoda,

1780
01:26:01,707 --> 01:26:04,227
Speaker 2: the driver, who of course replaced him at Red Bull

1781
01:26:05,027 --> 01:26:07,267
Speaker 2: In Super Rugby. The Cruse have gone to the top

1782
01:26:07,267 --> 01:26:10,067
Speaker 2: of the table, beating the Hurricanes and Wellington impressive hooker

1783
01:26:10,467 --> 01:26:12,707
Speaker 2: Yo Wannie more than Nune who's scoring a couple of tries.

1784
01:26:13,227 --> 01:26:13,987
Speaker 2: Scotty Barrett.

1785
01:26:13,987 --> 01:26:15,147
Speaker 4: Here come the Crusaders.

1786
01:26:15,147 --> 01:26:17,787
Speaker 20: They're rolling, they are rolling, they are rolling.

1787
01:26:17,867 --> 01:26:20,227
Speaker 4: There was the line, They're over the line. Don't won't

1788
01:26:20,307 --> 01:26:22,227
Speaker 4: get to the position and puts the arm up. They

1789
01:26:22,307 --> 01:26:23,747
Speaker 4: have scored the Crusaders.

1790
01:26:24,187 --> 01:26:26,427
Speaker 18: They have done it again from the line out drive.

1791
01:26:26,747 --> 01:26:27,787
Speaker 5: We'll pick up with us.

1792
01:26:27,827 --> 01:26:29,467
Speaker 4: I think it might be the hooker again at the

1793
01:26:29,547 --> 01:26:32,467
Speaker 4: bat boh and Ant who swings rolls around.

1794
01:26:32,667 --> 01:26:34,147
Speaker 5: The Hooker's got two for the night.

1795
01:26:34,347 --> 01:26:36,947
Speaker 2: And following that the war Tars beat the table topping

1796
01:26:37,067 --> 01:26:39,987
Speaker 2: Chiefs twenty one to fourteen in Sydney and scored a

1797
01:26:40,187 --> 01:26:43,507
Speaker 2: try of the season contender in the process. And the

1798
01:26:43,547 --> 01:26:45,787
Speaker 2: Warranties have got it looking to run it out from

1799
01:26:45,827 --> 01:26:48,467
Speaker 2: inside their own goal line. Challaway's got it up.

1800
01:26:48,467 --> 01:26:49,227
Speaker 14: To the twenty two.

1801
01:26:49,707 --> 01:26:51,787
Speaker 2: Call Away up to the ten leter line.

1802
01:26:52,027 --> 01:26:54,467
Speaker 13: Find Simili over the half way line.

1803
01:26:54,667 --> 01:26:56,307
Speaker 14: Oh, the inside pass.

1804
01:26:56,347 --> 01:26:59,467
Speaker 6: It goes to the first time Credent Cryton gives.

1805
01:26:59,307 --> 01:27:02,307
Speaker 16: It to call Away and they're gonna score, and they're

1806
01:27:02,347 --> 01:27:05,547
Speaker 16: gonna go one hundred laters.

1807
01:27:06,867 --> 01:27:10,747
Speaker 2: Oh that's outrageous, outrageous, indeed, great call. Malcolm Jordan to

1808
01:27:10,827 --> 01:27:13,387
Speaker 2: the NRL. With the topsy turvy nature of this year's

1809
01:27:13,387 --> 01:27:17,147
Speaker 2: competition reaffirmed the Rooster's earning just their second win of

1810
01:27:17,187 --> 01:27:22,027
Speaker 2: the season. What Chris White puta yes, put us in.

1811
01:27:23,547 --> 01:27:29,147
Speaker 19: Roosters are over a massive step closer to a second

1812
01:27:29,987 --> 01:27:31,667
Speaker 19: I'm likely win this year.

1813
01:27:31,947 --> 01:27:34,427
Speaker 2: Here twenty six to sixteen takedown of the third place

1814
01:27:34,507 --> 01:27:37,747
Speaker 2: at Broncos and Brisbane. The Dragons meantime thrashing the Gold

1815
01:27:37,827 --> 01:27:41,667
Speaker 2: Coast Titans and Woolen Gold. Nelius gol Hagen's over.

1816
01:27:42,427 --> 01:27:46,307
Speaker 19: It's what for Jerry Gong thes are on the house.

1817
01:27:46,387 --> 01:27:47,627
Speaker 7: That's for Credit's Club.

1818
01:27:48,987 --> 01:27:51,267
Speaker 2: If I got license to say that, lets you check

1819
01:27:51,347 --> 01:27:52,667
Speaker 2: that Dylan Agan.

1820
01:27:52,427 --> 01:27:57,987
Speaker 4: Has scored a Jerry Gong Lions scoring for Sir Georgeivia Warren.

1821
01:27:57,867 --> 01:28:00,187
Speaker 8: Ye boy want a performance from Jyllan Eagan.

1822
01:28:00,347 --> 01:28:02,947
Speaker 2: Year thirty eight sixteen the final score there and to

1823
01:28:03,227 --> 01:28:06,187
Speaker 2: the A League. Melbourne City have moved to within three

1824
01:28:06,427 --> 01:28:09,947
Speaker 2: points of orpland DEPC with a late winner against Brisbane.

1825
01:28:10,227 --> 01:28:14,107
Speaker 16: Joan's falling the head and it is THEREDDA and the

1826
01:28:14,307 --> 01:28:18,467
Speaker 16: archer time defender not only has a first assist.

1827
01:28:18,587 --> 01:28:19,707
Speaker 5: He has a first goal.

1828
01:28:20,107 --> 01:28:23,027
Speaker 2: It's a decent fall into the new area. Goes unchecked

1829
01:28:23,787 --> 01:28:26,427
Speaker 2: that acting can get an into it but ain't commit

1830
01:28:26,507 --> 01:28:27,467
Speaker 2: into his own nets.

1831
01:28:28,387 --> 01:28:32,027
Speaker 1: A Voice of Sport on your Home of Sport weekends

1832
01:28:32,107 --> 01:28:35,467
Speaker 1: forth with Jason kan News talks in me what are we?

1833
01:28:35,507 --> 01:28:38,947
Speaker 2: Eleven past two The Crusaders are top of the Super

1834
01:28:39,107 --> 01:28:39,867
Speaker 2: Rugby table.

1835
01:28:40,427 --> 01:28:44,147
Speaker 4: Full time at Sky Stadium and the Crusaders have hung

1836
01:28:44,267 --> 01:28:47,547
Speaker 4: on with thirte eight men back to firft eight men

1837
01:28:47,667 --> 01:28:49,347
Speaker 4: with a minute to go on the clock.

1838
01:28:49,627 --> 01:28:51,667
Speaker 7: The Hurricanes were camped down in the corner.

1839
01:28:51,747 --> 01:28:55,067
Speaker 4: They couldn't get there. The Crusaders led by twenty fourteen

1840
01:28:55,187 --> 01:28:58,747
Speaker 4: at halftime. They have won this game. Aphole Sootic Super

1841
01:28:58,827 --> 01:29:02,627
Speaker 4: Rugby Pacific game here at Sky Stadium. The Crusaders take

1842
01:29:02,707 --> 01:29:05,747
Speaker 4: the points they would buy thirty one points.

1843
01:29:05,467 --> 01:29:07,827
Speaker 2: To twenty four. Indeed they did, and that was followed

1844
01:29:07,827 --> 01:29:09,987
Speaker 2: by the Chiefs going down twenty one to fourteen to

1845
01:29:10,067 --> 01:29:14,147
Speaker 2: the Warratas in Sydney. So the Crusaders, our top head coach,

1846
01:29:14,387 --> 01:29:17,627
Speaker 2: Rob Penny is with us having flown back to christ Jitch, Rob,

1847
01:29:17,667 --> 01:29:20,547
Speaker 2: thanks for joining us. Can we start at the end perhaps?

1848
01:29:20,627 --> 01:29:22,867
Speaker 2: How are the nerves in the box at thirty one,

1849
01:29:23,027 --> 01:29:25,947
Speaker 2: twenty four ahead, two men in the bin, five minutes

1850
01:29:26,027 --> 01:29:26,147
Speaker 2: to go.

1851
01:29:28,307 --> 01:29:32,707
Speaker 10: Yeah, good afternoon, Jason. Personally, not too bad. There was

1852
01:29:32,747 --> 01:29:35,867
Speaker 10: a bit of anxiousness amongst some others, but that's all good.

1853
01:29:36,627 --> 01:29:36,787
Speaker 4: You know.

1854
01:29:36,867 --> 01:29:41,747
Speaker 10: It was pretty tense, but just really satisfied. I guess

1855
01:29:41,827 --> 01:29:44,627
Speaker 10: that the players found a way, which is a great

1856
01:29:44,747 --> 01:29:45,427
Speaker 10: tribute to them.

1857
01:29:45,947 --> 01:29:47,427
Speaker 2: I was going to ask that, how proud were you

1858
01:29:47,547 --> 01:29:49,707
Speaker 2: of the thirteen who were out there for the most

1859
01:29:49,747 --> 01:29:52,267
Speaker 2: part in that last ten minutes to keep the Hurricanes

1860
01:29:52,267 --> 01:29:54,347
Speaker 2: at bay as they pretty much camped in your territory.

1861
01:29:56,347 --> 01:29:59,547
Speaker 10: I was kind of a whole group, you know, right across.

1862
01:29:59,667 --> 01:30:02,347
Speaker 10: We had a lot of disruption, you know, losing Davy

1863
01:30:02,387 --> 01:30:06,627
Speaker 10: early in a couple of hias through the middle of

1864
01:30:06,667 --> 01:30:09,747
Speaker 10: the first half, which having to be a bit of

1865
01:30:09,787 --> 01:30:14,147
Speaker 10: a juggling act and then yeah, so you know, we

1866
01:30:14,227 --> 01:30:15,987
Speaker 10: had a lot of disruption and then losing the two

1867
01:30:16,027 --> 01:30:20,107
Speaker 10: boys late for yellow cards. Just proud of the whole group,

1868
01:30:20,387 --> 01:30:23,267
Speaker 10: the resilience they showed and the desperation and the desire

1869
01:30:23,267 --> 01:30:25,627
Speaker 10: I had for each other to get the outcome we did.

1870
01:30:26,387 --> 01:30:28,267
Speaker 2: Do you have an update on David Harvilly for us?

1871
01:30:31,787 --> 01:30:34,307
Speaker 10: The latest one is that he woke up quite good

1872
01:30:34,387 --> 01:30:40,147
Speaker 10: this morning and that's a positive sign. But knowing what

1873
01:30:40,707 --> 01:30:44,067
Speaker 10: you know, just the history of little issues around the

1874
01:30:44,147 --> 01:30:48,267
Speaker 10: lower calf Achilles area that you know, it's probably going

1875
01:30:48,347 --> 01:30:50,027
Speaker 10: to be a week or two. But we haven't given

1876
01:30:50,107 --> 01:30:50,587
Speaker 10: up vote yet.

1877
01:30:51,187 --> 01:30:53,587
Speaker 2: All right, we'll keep eyes on that. The first half

1878
01:30:53,987 --> 01:30:56,787
Speaker 2: and in fact, the first fifty two minutes when you

1879
01:30:56,867 --> 01:30:59,507
Speaker 2: were ahead thirty one to ten, I mean, terrific. How

1880
01:30:59,547 --> 01:31:02,427
Speaker 2: does that compare to other performances you've seen from your

1881
01:31:02,507 --> 01:31:03,227
Speaker 2: side this season?

1882
01:31:05,547 --> 01:31:10,987
Speaker 10: Right up there, Matt Todd, our defense coach, who's you know,

1883
01:31:11,107 --> 01:31:15,267
Speaker 10: getting some really good shifts in the lads, and I

1884
01:31:15,547 --> 01:31:18,667
Speaker 10: was talking about that that's by far the most intense

1885
01:31:20,307 --> 01:31:24,267
Speaker 10: contact area that that he's witnessed. The scare from the

1886
01:31:24,547 --> 01:31:28,027
Speaker 10: from them either group. You know, both teams were hitting

1887
01:31:28,067 --> 01:31:31,507
Speaker 10: them pretty hard. And so that you know that takes

1888
01:31:31,587 --> 01:31:34,267
Speaker 10: its toll, and you know, I think there was some

1889
01:31:34,387 --> 01:31:37,627
Speaker 10: superb pooty played from both sides. It was very challenging conditions.

1890
01:31:37,667 --> 01:31:40,067
Speaker 10: That dusty swirthy win that you can get in Willington

1891
01:31:40,227 --> 01:31:42,667
Speaker 10: was at its best and so the spect Guy I

1892
01:31:42,707 --> 01:31:45,547
Speaker 10: think was was pretty good value given some of those

1893
01:31:45,587 --> 01:31:46,947
Speaker 10: peripheral conditions.

1894
01:31:47,107 --> 01:31:49,427
Speaker 2: Really good value. And you landed on the loose forward

1895
01:31:49,467 --> 01:31:52,787
Speaker 2: battle there, you know, for yourselves Coling gray Sheath and Blackadder,

1896
01:31:52,867 --> 01:31:57,227
Speaker 2: Christian Leo Willy for the Hurricanes, Y'll see Larkeye Kalifi.

1897
01:31:57,667 --> 01:32:00,427
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess there's a former Lucy yourself. You

1898
01:32:00,507 --> 01:32:02,867
Speaker 2: must have enjoyed the battle even though you're obviously wanting

1899
01:32:02,907 --> 01:32:03,707
Speaker 2: your blokes to win it.

1900
01:32:05,747 --> 01:32:06,947
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, of course.

1901
01:32:08,147 --> 01:32:08,307
Speaker 4: You know.

1902
01:32:08,547 --> 01:32:11,747
Speaker 10: I rate the loose portrayer that we've got very very highly,

1903
01:32:11,827 --> 01:32:13,707
Speaker 10: and we've got some you know, in the bank that

1904
01:32:13,747 --> 01:32:16,427
Speaker 10: we're going to be able to introduce over the next

1905
01:32:17,067 --> 01:32:20,267
Speaker 10: few weeks that have added value at times. But I

1906
01:32:20,387 --> 01:32:24,667
Speaker 10: also really admire what Wellington have got and the youthful

1907
01:32:24,707 --> 01:32:30,147
Speaker 10: athleticism is, you know, something to be really respected, and

1908
01:32:30,947 --> 01:32:33,827
Speaker 10: you know they'll go on to produce some great rugby

1909
01:32:34,227 --> 01:32:36,307
Speaker 10: for that frenchise over the years. I've got no doubt

1910
01:32:37,147 --> 01:32:37,387
Speaker 10: but a.

1911
01:32:37,427 --> 01:32:40,067
Speaker 2: Noise around this week about Scott Barrett. Do you think

1912
01:32:40,107 --> 01:32:42,267
Speaker 2: he I'm not sure he needed to, but do you

1913
01:32:42,347 --> 01:32:44,107
Speaker 2: think he proved a few people wrong last night?

1914
01:32:46,347 --> 01:32:50,627
Speaker 10: He certainly didn't need to. I think people are searching

1915
01:32:50,867 --> 01:32:58,587
Speaker 10: for greatness, aren't they, and the realization that like Scott Bout,

1916
01:32:58,707 --> 01:33:01,867
Speaker 10: like all the boys out there, are human and they're

1917
01:33:01,987 --> 01:33:08,827
Speaker 10: susceptible to fluctuations in form. But he certainly, I think

1918
01:33:09,707 --> 01:33:14,707
Speaker 10: quite any detractors. He was outstanding. He got an internal

1919
01:33:15,227 --> 01:33:18,267
Speaker 10: Player of the Day award and got an ovation from

1920
01:33:19,347 --> 01:33:22,507
Speaker 10: the boys who love him dearly and respect him immensely

1921
01:33:22,667 --> 01:33:27,147
Speaker 10: and honored him appropriately with a great performance that he had.

1922
01:33:27,787 --> 01:33:31,827
Speaker 10: And he's such a humble guy. He doesn't embrace that

1923
01:33:32,027 --> 01:33:35,467
Speaker 10: sort of accolade at all, but it was nice for

1924
01:33:35,627 --> 01:33:38,067
Speaker 10: him on the back of that, I guess week to

1925
01:33:38,147 --> 01:33:42,267
Speaker 10: get such a rousing reception from his from his peers.

1926
01:33:43,067 --> 01:33:44,747
Speaker 2: One of your less experienced players I want to ask

1927
01:33:44,787 --> 01:33:48,707
Speaker 2: you about is Yoanni Mwana, who he's probably getting more

1928
01:33:48,787 --> 01:33:50,827
Speaker 2: rugby than he probably thought he would being at a

1929
01:33:50,907 --> 01:33:53,907
Speaker 2: franchise with a couple of all blacks hookers. What have

1930
01:33:53,987 --> 01:33:55,947
Speaker 2: you made of his development.

1931
01:33:58,507 --> 01:34:01,907
Speaker 10: Exceptional and a lot of credit goes to Dan Perrin

1932
01:34:01,947 --> 01:34:03,627
Speaker 10: and the work he's done with him over the last

1933
01:34:03,667 --> 01:34:05,947
Speaker 10: couple of years to set him up. A lot of

1934
01:34:05,987 --> 01:34:10,427
Speaker 10: credit to himself for getting himself into physical shape to

1935
01:34:10,427 --> 01:34:12,467
Speaker 10: be able to perform and do what he's done. He's

1936
01:34:12,467 --> 01:34:16,267
Speaker 10: always had the ability, but often hasn't turned up in

1937
01:34:16,387 --> 01:34:18,467
Speaker 10: the either the greatest shape or with a few niggles,

1938
01:34:18,507 --> 01:34:20,787
Speaker 10: and it's taken him a bit of time to get right.

1939
01:34:21,347 --> 01:34:27,067
Speaker 10: But the yeare you know, even though there's to establish

1940
01:34:27,227 --> 01:34:30,547
Speaker 10: or nearly establish all blacks in our environment at Hokker,

1941
01:34:31,867 --> 01:34:35,947
Speaker 10: you know, it's just a great example of even though

1942
01:34:35,947 --> 01:34:37,627
Speaker 10: you tucked him behind, it doesn't mean you're not going

1943
01:34:37,667 --> 01:34:42,867
Speaker 10: to get opportunity. And we're so pleased with Yoani, not

1944
01:34:42,947 --> 01:34:45,707
Speaker 10: onlybody's bringing to us on the footy field, but him

1945
01:34:45,747 --> 01:34:47,267
Speaker 10: as a bloat and around the environment.

1946
01:34:47,387 --> 01:34:48,427
Speaker 11: He's just a joy to have.

1947
01:34:48,667 --> 01:34:53,147
Speaker 10: And yeah, as I say, between himself working really hard

1948
01:34:53,227 --> 01:34:56,987
Speaker 10: and wanting to prove that he's up to this level

1949
01:34:57,027 --> 01:34:59,427
Speaker 10: and he's proven that beyond doubt, and the work that

1950
01:34:59,587 --> 01:35:03,187
Speaker 10: DP Dan Perrin does with him, it's just a joy

1951
01:35:03,267 --> 01:35:04,067
Speaker 10: to watch the outcome.

1952
01:35:04,147 --> 01:35:06,587
Speaker 2: Now the last part I just wanted to ask about

1953
01:35:06,627 --> 01:35:09,827
Speaker 2: specifically as Will Jordan, who has played every game for

1954
01:35:09,947 --> 01:35:13,747
Speaker 2: you at Fallback, he just seems to be I mean,

1955
01:35:13,787 --> 01:35:17,587
Speaker 2: we know how good he is, but how good is

1956
01:35:17,667 --> 01:35:18,027
Speaker 2: he for you?

1957
01:35:20,547 --> 01:35:20,707
Speaker 7: Oh?

1958
01:35:20,787 --> 01:35:24,307
Speaker 10: He's very special. You know, he's at that age now

1959
01:35:24,427 --> 01:35:31,027
Speaker 10: where he's been I guess allocated a really serious role

1960
01:35:31,067 --> 01:35:34,267
Speaker 10: in tournament in terms of his leadership with David Harvilly

1961
01:35:34,347 --> 01:35:37,667
Speaker 10: as one of the vice captains, and he's given a

1962
01:35:38,267 --> 01:35:43,107
Speaker 10: you know, a portfolio there which he's owned. There's aspects

1963
01:35:43,147 --> 01:35:48,147
Speaker 10: of his game which you know, in some regards there

1964
01:35:48,227 --> 01:35:50,467
Speaker 10: might be the odd credit around some of the breakdown

1965
01:35:50,507 --> 01:35:53,827
Speaker 10: works and his ability to get in there knuckle down

1966
01:35:54,147 --> 01:35:57,347
Speaker 10: at some of the tough moments. But he's really led

1967
01:35:57,427 --> 01:36:00,427
Speaker 10: that for us this year, proving to everybody that you know,

1968
01:36:00,547 --> 01:36:02,067
Speaker 10: he can take that forward now with a lot of

1969
01:36:02,147 --> 01:36:08,227
Speaker 10: confidence and really back himself. And as his rugby brain

1970
01:36:08,347 --> 01:36:13,747
Speaker 10: is exceptional, is wonderful to listen to. He's got the

1971
01:36:13,827 --> 01:36:20,067
Speaker 10: ability to think outside the box and he's also one

1972
01:36:20,147 --> 01:36:21,827
Speaker 10: that will have the confidence to challenge.

1973
01:36:23,027 --> 01:36:23,787
Speaker 3: So we love him.

1974
01:36:24,787 --> 01:36:27,947
Speaker 10: You know, he's a crusader through and through and we

1975
01:36:28,147 --> 01:36:30,987
Speaker 10: just love having him in our environment. And he's as

1976
01:36:31,027 --> 01:36:35,107
Speaker 10: I said that the maturity and his leadership is has

1977
01:36:35,187 --> 01:36:37,547
Speaker 10: been something that's been a wonderful thing to watch.

1978
01:36:38,187 --> 01:36:41,387
Speaker 2: Well said, it's a very different story, rob from this

1979
01:36:41,547 --> 01:36:43,907
Speaker 2: time last year. What a difference a year makes. Is

1980
01:36:43,987 --> 01:36:46,827
Speaker 2: it relevant at all to compare the season to last season?

1981
01:36:49,107 --> 01:36:52,667
Speaker 10: Oh, you can compare. The reality is we're miss thirteen

1982
01:36:52,707 --> 01:36:56,467
Speaker 10: of our frontline players last year for large blocks. That's

1983
01:36:56,587 --> 01:37:00,427
Speaker 10: that's in a nutshell. Of course, there's some bits and

1984
01:37:00,467 --> 01:37:03,347
Speaker 10: pieces we've done behind the scenes to alter the way

1985
01:37:03,427 --> 01:37:07,347
Speaker 10: we did. A few things. Jane Marshall's changed our attack

1986
01:37:07,707 --> 01:37:11,467
Speaker 10: quite substantially and just just probably given it a really

1987
01:37:11,587 --> 01:37:13,747
Speaker 10: nice change up flavor, which are the boys have really

1988
01:37:13,787 --> 01:37:16,507
Speaker 10: embraced and that's always a challenge because it takes time

1989
01:37:16,627 --> 01:37:19,267
Speaker 10: to get that better than Toddy had his first year

1990
01:37:20,027 --> 01:37:23,747
Speaker 10: leading our defense last year. And you know, that consistency

1991
01:37:23,827 --> 01:37:26,787
Speaker 10: of voice and message is starting to bear fruit because

1992
01:37:26,787 --> 01:37:32,067
Speaker 10: that again takes time. So yeah, I've got no issues

1993
01:37:32,147 --> 01:37:37,147
Speaker 10: with the comparisons by chalk and cheese, and there's you know,

1994
01:37:37,227 --> 01:37:39,187
Speaker 10: as I've pighlighted, there's a few reasons, but the main

1995
01:37:39,267 --> 01:37:43,707
Speaker 10: one is the unavailability of the world class players, you know,

1996
01:37:44,627 --> 01:37:49,267
Speaker 10: an irregular context to be able to get the performances

1997
01:37:49,307 --> 01:37:49,587
Speaker 10: you need.

1998
01:37:50,827 --> 01:37:52,627
Speaker 2: Did you get back to the hotel and time to

1999
01:37:52,707 --> 01:37:54,547
Speaker 2: watch the Wartar's Chiefs game or even the.

2000
01:37:54,587 --> 01:37:54,867
Speaker 17: End of it?

2001
01:37:56,307 --> 01:37:59,427
Speaker 10: We did, Actually, yeah, we watched it with a lot

2002
01:37:59,467 --> 01:38:03,147
Speaker 10: of interest because we've got the Chiefs in about three

2003
01:38:03,187 --> 01:38:06,227
Speaker 10: weeks and then we're over to the Wartars.

2004
01:38:05,787 --> 01:38:06,587
Speaker 9: Not long after to that.

2005
01:38:06,867 --> 01:38:11,227
Speaker 10: So yeah, that was a you know, that was an

2006
01:38:11,307 --> 01:38:14,187
Speaker 10: interesting match. It didn't look like the Chiefs were firing

2007
01:38:14,267 --> 01:38:16,747
Speaker 10: on all their cylinders, and the Tars are tough at home,

2008
01:38:16,787 --> 01:38:18,627
Speaker 10: as we found out a couple of times last year.

2009
01:38:18,787 --> 01:38:21,387
Speaker 10: So yeah, credit to them.

2010
01:38:21,987 --> 01:38:24,147
Speaker 2: I look at it because I sort of think, now, okay,

2011
01:38:24,187 --> 01:38:26,147
Speaker 2: you can relax a little bit, but you can't, can you.

2012
01:38:26,227 --> 01:38:29,147
Speaker 2: You've got the Blues at home on Good Friday, then

2013
01:38:29,147 --> 01:38:31,507
Speaker 2: you're down to play the Highlanders in Dunedin. Plenty of

2014
01:38:31,627 --> 01:38:32,547
Speaker 2: work today, rob, isn't there?

2015
01:38:33,827 --> 01:38:37,627
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, lots. No, You're never comfortable in this competition.

2016
01:38:37,787 --> 01:38:38,187
Speaker 18: You know, the.

2017
01:38:39,947 --> 01:38:43,107
Speaker 10: Maana Pacifica has taught us a lesson, you know, only

2018
01:38:43,147 --> 01:38:48,227
Speaker 10: a few weeks ago at home and you know, that

2019
01:38:48,387 --> 01:38:51,307
Speaker 10: wasn't an acceptable performance and the boys were so disappointed,

2020
01:38:51,387 --> 01:38:53,587
Speaker 10: and you know, we've got I guess we've got an

2021
01:38:53,587 --> 01:38:55,867
Speaker 10: opportunity now against a really good Blues team who were

2022
01:38:55,907 --> 01:38:58,867
Speaker 10: desperate to turn up at home on Friday night, as

2023
01:38:58,907 --> 01:39:03,467
Speaker 10: to say, on good Friday, and and just hopefully prove

2024
01:39:03,507 --> 01:39:06,067
Speaker 10: that that was an aberration as opposed to you know,

2025
01:39:06,187 --> 01:39:10,107
Speaker 10: the fluctuation and our performances, which we had had a

2026
01:39:10,187 --> 01:39:12,547
Speaker 10: bit early on. But we've we've put three back to

2027
01:39:12,667 --> 01:39:15,947
Speaker 10: back or consistent performance and hopefully we've got a rhythm now.

2028
01:39:16,707 --> 01:39:18,987
Speaker 2: Good man, rob congrats on last night. Thanks for taking

2029
01:39:19,187 --> 01:39:20,787
Speaker 2: our call this afternoon. Enjoy the rest of your.

2030
01:39:20,707 --> 01:39:24,867
Speaker 10: Week, in mate, Yeah, pleasure, no problem, Thanks, thanks.

2031
01:39:24,707 --> 01:39:26,627
Speaker 2: Mate, Rob. Any that out of cross Church they've landed

2032
01:39:26,707 --> 01:39:30,067
Speaker 2: back in the Garden City with top of the table status.

2033
01:39:30,467 --> 01:39:33,267
Speaker 2: Interesting to hear about about Scott Barrett getting the internal

2034
01:39:33,587 --> 01:39:35,467
Speaker 2: Player of the Day last night Man of the Match.

2035
01:39:35,867 --> 01:39:40,547
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, he was. Wasn't he very very good

2036
01:39:40,627 --> 01:39:42,787
Speaker 2: last night? And I think by his own admission, even

2037
01:39:42,827 --> 01:39:44,907
Speaker 2: when he did media during the week and it was

2038
01:39:44,947 --> 01:39:48,067
Speaker 2: put to him that you know that he hadn't perhaps

2039
01:39:48,187 --> 01:39:53,387
Speaker 2: reached the heights that he, you know, was was known for,

2040
01:39:54,747 --> 01:39:56,747
Speaker 2: and he even agreed, he said, yeah, look, you know,

2041
01:39:56,787 --> 01:39:59,587
Speaker 2: there's probably a little bit of validity to that. He's

2042
01:39:59,667 --> 01:40:02,107
Speaker 2: such a deep thinker, isn't he Scott Barret, A guy

2043
01:40:02,187 --> 01:40:06,227
Speaker 2: doesn't give away a lot, but clearly hugely respected inside

2044
01:40:06,227 --> 01:40:09,027
Speaker 2: that Crusader's environment and the All Blacks environment too. And

2045
01:40:09,147 --> 01:40:10,747
Speaker 2: last night, yeh, I thought he was certainly in the

2046
01:40:10,747 --> 01:40:14,547
Speaker 2: first half best player out there. So what have we

2047
01:40:14,587 --> 01:40:18,507
Speaker 2: got this afternoon in terms of Super Rugby's continuation. Quite

2048
01:40:18,507 --> 01:40:21,587
Speaker 2: a bit, actually quite a bit of interest in what

2049
01:40:21,747 --> 01:40:24,667
Speaker 2: happens at four point thirty five at Eden Park. Blues

2050
01:40:24,747 --> 01:40:28,067
Speaker 2: Mowana PACIFICA cannot wait to see what happens in this game.

2051
01:40:28,467 --> 01:40:30,427
Speaker 2: Maaana Pacific are looking for three wins in a row.

2052
01:40:30,627 --> 01:40:33,107
Speaker 2: They beat the Waratars last weekend. Let's not forget that

2053
01:40:33,307 --> 01:40:36,547
Speaker 2: forty five twenty eight. The Warritars went out last night

2054
01:40:36,587 --> 01:40:41,387
Speaker 2: and beat the Chiefs. The Blues, well, they're not exactly stumbling.

2055
01:40:41,427 --> 01:40:42,907
Speaker 2: I don't think that would be fair. They beat the

2056
01:40:43,027 --> 01:40:48,147
Speaker 2: Hurricanes by a point last time out, but they had

2057
01:40:48,187 --> 01:40:50,627
Speaker 2: the buye before that, and the game before that was

2058
01:40:50,667 --> 01:40:54,707
Speaker 2: that horror up at Eden Park when the Crusaders absolutely

2059
01:40:54,787 --> 01:40:56,907
Speaker 2: dealt to them and one of the worst Blues performances

2060
01:40:57,427 --> 01:41:00,747
Speaker 2: in recent memory forty two nineteen. So I've got that

2061
01:41:00,867 --> 01:41:03,147
Speaker 2: this afternoon. My onea Pacific against the Blues. Then the

2062
01:41:03,267 --> 01:41:07,987
Speaker 2: Highlanders who badly need a win, a desperately seeking a

2063
01:41:08,107 --> 01:41:10,787
Speaker 2: win and should get it. You'd have to think against

2064
01:41:10,787 --> 01:41:14,347
Speaker 2: the Fijian Drewer and Dunedin tonight just after seven o'clock

2065
01:41:14,867 --> 01:41:17,867
Speaker 2: in the last they lost the Force last week. Brumby's

2066
01:41:17,907 --> 01:41:20,987
Speaker 2: before that, reads before that, Hurricans before that. So the Highlanders,

2067
01:41:21,347 --> 01:41:24,547
Speaker 2: you know, four straight losses, need to win and then

2068
01:41:24,627 --> 01:41:27,707
Speaker 2: reads Brumbies later on tonight. See there's intrigue around that too.

2069
01:41:28,587 --> 01:41:31,467
Speaker 2: The Reds are third, the Brumbies are sixth, but the

2070
01:41:31,547 --> 01:41:34,227
Speaker 2: Brumbies could feasibly jump over the top of the Reds

2071
01:41:34,227 --> 01:41:36,587
Speaker 2: if they get a winm with the bonus point. Lots

2072
01:41:36,627 --> 01:41:39,587
Speaker 2: of intrigue around Super Rugby at the moment, heaps of

2073
01:41:39,667 --> 01:41:42,787
Speaker 2: intrigue and rightly so two twenty five it is, let's

2074
01:41:42,787 --> 01:41:44,787
Speaker 2: take a break. When we come back, we'll we'll stay

2075
01:41:44,787 --> 01:41:49,267
Speaker 2: with rugby and preview tonight's Super Rugby Opicky final for you.

2076
01:41:49,787 --> 01:41:52,667
Speaker 2: It is the Blues, the defending champions, up against Matatu

2077
01:41:52,747 --> 01:41:54,987
Speaker 2: who won it in twenty twenty three. So who's going

2078
01:41:55,027 --> 01:41:57,187
Speaker 2: to be the first team to win two Super Rugby

2079
01:41:57,267 --> 01:42:00,827
Speaker 2: Opicky titles? One of our best ever female players. Kendrick

2080
01:42:00,867 --> 01:42:02,907
Speaker 2: cox Edge going to preview the game for us when

2081
01:42:02,907 --> 01:42:03,347
Speaker 2: we come back.

2082
01:42:04,707 --> 01:42:05,707
Speaker 17: You be the TMO.

2083
01:42:05,947 --> 01:42:06,707
Speaker 7: Have you say?

2084
01:42:06,787 --> 01:42:09,787
Speaker 1: On eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Weekends Sport with

2085
01:42:09,987 --> 01:42:14,387
Speaker 1: Jason Hin and GJ. Gardnerholmes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder,

2086
01:42:14,507 --> 01:42:15,307
Speaker 1: News Talks THEB.

2087
01:42:16,267 --> 01:42:19,627
Speaker 2: News Talks THEB. It is two twenty eight double Heaterliden

2088
01:42:19,747 --> 01:42:22,427
Speaker 2: Park this afternoon following the Blues Mona Pacific as Super

2089
01:42:22,507 --> 01:42:25,267
Speaker 2: Rugby Pacific match at four thirty five. It is the

2090
01:42:25,347 --> 01:42:29,187
Speaker 2: Super Rugby OPA Key Final tonight, the defending champion Blues

2091
01:42:29,747 --> 01:42:33,027
Speaker 2: against the twenty twenty three champions Mata to five past

2092
01:42:33,107 --> 01:42:36,387
Speaker 2: seven kickoff at Eden Park. Let's bring in black Fern's

2093
01:42:36,467 --> 01:42:40,427
Speaker 2: legend New Zealand Rugby Women's High Performance Pathways Manager and

2094
01:42:41,267 --> 01:42:43,707
Speaker 2: member of the New Zealand Order of Merit for services

2095
01:42:43,747 --> 01:42:47,227
Speaker 2: to Rugby Kendra Coxedge to preview this one for us. Kendrick,

2096
01:42:47,227 --> 01:42:49,867
Speaker 2: Can we start with the Blues firm favorites? She'd have

2097
01:42:49,947 --> 01:42:53,107
Speaker 2: to say, five wins from six in the regular season

2098
01:42:53,227 --> 01:42:56,107
Speaker 2: home advantage. What have been the main reasons for the

2099
01:42:56,147 --> 01:42:58,467
Speaker 2: Blues success up to this point this season?

2100
01:42:59,667 --> 01:43:02,507
Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean the Blues thorough classic side. You know,

2101
01:43:02,627 --> 01:43:05,587
Speaker 15: they've got really tell us as sleeps across the across

2102
01:43:05,627 --> 01:43:07,627
Speaker 15: the board for A one probably to thirty in terms

2103
01:43:07,667 --> 01:43:10,467
Speaker 15: of their whole squad, the type of footy that they're playing,

2104
01:43:10,507 --> 01:43:14,067
Speaker 15: their attacking style in terms of playing on top, and

2105
01:43:14,427 --> 01:43:17,267
Speaker 15: teams probably allowing them to do that, and then just

2106
01:43:17,347 --> 01:43:19,707
Speaker 15: ability to be able to have someone might push a

2107
01:43:19,747 --> 01:43:22,347
Speaker 15: women out white and bracktion Chionthon mcgah, who's a young

2108
01:43:22,427 --> 01:43:26,227
Speaker 15: girl coming through to be able to finish those opportunities off.

2109
01:43:26,467 --> 01:43:29,147
Speaker 2: A bit further on how integral to their success has

2110
01:43:29,947 --> 01:43:30,787
Speaker 2: Hate Dumont thing.

2111
01:43:32,267 --> 01:43:34,547
Speaker 15: We know what she brains, right like, her leadership and

2112
01:43:34,627 --> 01:43:38,707
Speaker 15: her experience is outstanding, and you know, we've seen what

2113
01:43:38,827 --> 01:43:40,667
Speaker 15: she can do in The Black Jersey two and you

2114
01:43:40,747 --> 01:43:42,187
Speaker 15: know when she's playing and she's on the top of

2115
01:43:42,267 --> 01:43:44,507
Speaker 15: her game and she controls it, but it's women hard

2116
01:43:44,587 --> 01:43:47,747
Speaker 15: to stop. So I think she's in plays an integral part.

2117
01:43:47,827 --> 01:43:50,507
Speaker 15: And I think you know, someone like her tonight has

2118
01:43:50,547 --> 01:43:53,827
Speaker 15: an outstanding game. Must or two will struggle to probably

2119
01:43:53,867 --> 01:43:54,547
Speaker 15: get into the game.

2120
01:43:54,867 --> 01:43:56,987
Speaker 2: MUTA two do know though, don't they that they can

2121
01:43:57,187 --> 01:43:59,907
Speaker 2: and have beaten the Blues, which they did in funk

2122
01:43:59,947 --> 01:44:01,627
Speaker 2: at a just a couple of weeks ago. So how

2123
01:44:01,747 --> 01:44:04,187
Speaker 2: much confidence first of all will they take from that?

2124
01:44:05,387 --> 01:44:06,907
Speaker 15: Yeah, I think we need when you do get a

2125
01:44:06,987 --> 01:44:09,467
Speaker 15: one is are's an element of belief. So I think

2126
01:44:09,507 --> 01:44:11,227
Speaker 15: they'll have a bit of belief now that they can

2127
01:44:11,547 --> 01:44:13,387
Speaker 15: they can beat the Blues and think they can win

2128
01:44:13,427 --> 01:44:15,667
Speaker 15: the competition. And you know, when it gets the final footy,

2129
01:44:15,707 --> 01:44:19,307
Speaker 15: it becomes a whole different, different beast. Yet the Blues

2130
01:44:19,307 --> 01:44:22,387
Speaker 15: are at home, but the must must to a sitting

2131
01:44:22,387 --> 01:44:24,387
Speaker 15: in a position where the underdog, and it's the best

2132
01:44:24,627 --> 01:44:27,227
Speaker 15: the best place that you want to be. And I

2133
01:44:27,347 --> 01:44:31,147
Speaker 15: think you know that Cardinal've progressed throughout the season. I've

2134
01:44:31,147 --> 01:44:33,147
Speaker 15: probably got a team, a team of like rather than

2135
01:44:33,187 --> 01:44:35,947
Speaker 15: the team of individuals, a team of good quality players

2136
01:44:35,987 --> 01:44:38,227
Speaker 15: and it's each each week in week out. It's been

2137
01:44:38,267 --> 01:44:40,227
Speaker 15: really hard to choose our standing player because they're all

2138
01:44:40,307 --> 01:44:43,107
Speaker 15: playing as as a group of players and as a team.

2139
01:44:43,307 --> 01:44:45,267
Speaker 2: I guess when you run your right down the teamless though,

2140
01:44:45,307 --> 01:44:47,227
Speaker 2: and as you say, they are a true team, but

2141
01:44:47,347 --> 01:44:51,547
Speaker 2: you naturally land on the lights of black ferns. Alana Bremner, Amy,

2142
01:44:51,627 --> 01:44:54,387
Speaker 2: do please do you feel as though they will be

2143
01:44:54,827 --> 01:44:56,947
Speaker 2: particularly important tonight for the Matatu.

2144
01:44:57,867 --> 01:44:59,827
Speaker 15: Yeah, and yeah, you know your leaders in the team

2145
01:44:59,867 --> 01:45:01,907
Speaker 15: and your Black fans, they do become important. You know,

2146
01:45:01,987 --> 01:45:04,747
Speaker 15: you need your big players to make big plays and

2147
01:45:04,907 --> 01:45:08,227
Speaker 15: you know, someone like Amy to especially said outstanding season,

2148
01:45:08,947 --> 01:45:10,427
Speaker 15: so I know that she'll want to kind of want

2149
01:45:10,467 --> 01:45:12,387
Speaker 15: to continue to carry that and a line of prom

2150
01:45:12,427 --> 01:45:13,947
Speaker 15: anund the way she kind of leads in the grand

2151
01:45:13,987 --> 01:45:16,427
Speaker 15: she puts in you do kind of you know, probably

2152
01:45:16,667 --> 01:45:18,707
Speaker 15: lean on that a little bit, so you know, and

2153
01:45:18,827 --> 01:45:21,347
Speaker 15: there's a lot of them across both teams. So that's

2154
01:45:21,387 --> 01:45:22,907
Speaker 15: why I think it's going to be an exciting match

2155
01:45:22,987 --> 01:45:26,107
Speaker 15: because it's just the number of Black firms and quality

2156
01:45:26,187 --> 01:45:28,587
Speaker 15: young players that are coming through across both teams is

2157
01:45:28,627 --> 01:45:29,227
Speaker 15: really exciting.

2158
01:45:29,467 --> 01:45:31,987
Speaker 2: And the winner, of course will play Australia's Super do

2159
01:45:32,067 --> 01:45:35,027
Speaker 2: W champion their finals this afternoon in North Sydney. Reds

2160
01:45:35,067 --> 01:45:37,747
Speaker 2: wart Z. How much of an extra carrot will that

2161
01:45:37,907 --> 01:45:38,947
Speaker 2: be for these two teams.

2162
01:45:39,787 --> 01:45:41,707
Speaker 15: Yeah, I think it's a cooler age to caret Obviously,

2163
01:45:41,787 --> 01:45:43,867
Speaker 15: it's it's new, it's the first time being done and

2164
01:45:43,947 --> 01:45:45,547
Speaker 15: it's going to be great to be able to see

2165
01:45:45,547 --> 01:45:48,427
Speaker 15: that crossover match get get played. And I think, you know,

2166
01:45:48,587 --> 01:45:50,747
Speaker 15: like it's going to be a pretty short turnaround from

2167
01:45:50,827 --> 01:45:54,267
Speaker 15: Sunday to Thursday in terms of the kickoff, but I

2168
01:45:54,347 --> 01:45:55,987
Speaker 15: think there'll be a little bit of a carrot there

2169
01:45:56,067 --> 01:45:58,587
Speaker 15: to want. So one, you know when when you know

2170
01:45:58,667 --> 01:46:00,507
Speaker 15: when you're in competition and country and then go and

2171
01:46:00,587 --> 01:46:03,427
Speaker 15: hopefully top of a team from a different country.

2172
01:46:03,827 --> 01:46:06,307
Speaker 2: So this game takes seem to stage at Eaton Park tonight,

2173
01:46:06,547 --> 01:46:09,107
Speaker 2: the Blues against Miner Pacifica in the early game and

2174
01:46:09,187 --> 01:46:12,227
Speaker 2: Super Rugby Pacific. What are you hoping for in terms

2175
01:46:12,267 --> 01:46:15,107
Speaker 2: of a crowd and those who will maybe come along

2176
01:46:15,267 --> 01:46:18,387
Speaker 2: to watch the Blues Minor Pacifica and hang around for

2177
01:46:18,467 --> 01:46:19,787
Speaker 2: the for the five past seven game.

2178
01:46:20,587 --> 01:46:22,747
Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean, what an exciting opportunity right to be

2179
01:46:22,867 --> 01:46:24,827
Speaker 15: on the main stage and then after what is going

2180
01:46:24,867 --> 01:46:26,667
Speaker 15: to be an epic match, help them with Minor and

2181
01:46:26,907 --> 01:46:29,507
Speaker 15: the Blues. And I think, you know, having the prime

2182
01:46:29,587 --> 01:46:31,587
Speaker 15: time is you know, we're usually kind of stuck in

2183
01:46:31,627 --> 01:46:33,987
Speaker 15: that afternoon at the moment and people have club rugby

2184
01:46:34,227 --> 01:46:36,987
Speaker 15: that's all started now, so that's kind of people having

2185
01:46:36,987 --> 01:46:38,747
Speaker 15: to make decisions and you have to go play club

2186
01:46:38,747 --> 01:46:40,907
Speaker 15: footy and missing the action of Opeki. So I think

2187
01:46:41,227 --> 01:46:43,347
Speaker 15: having it on the primetime gives them an opportunity for

2188
01:46:43,427 --> 01:46:45,987
Speaker 15: people to get along and watch it, and I think

2189
01:46:46,227 --> 01:46:48,467
Speaker 15: they know both both the games will be spectacles.

2190
01:46:48,867 --> 01:46:51,627
Speaker 2: What do you see, Kendra as the evolution the natural

2191
01:46:51,747 --> 01:46:54,067
Speaker 2: next bit of evolution for super rugby? Opicky, What have

2192
01:46:54,107 --> 01:46:56,787
Speaker 2: we had? We've had six rounds, so the four teams

2193
01:46:56,827 --> 01:46:59,587
Speaker 2: each play each other three times. What would you like

2194
01:46:59,667 --> 01:47:03,027
Speaker 2: to see in terms of expansion the longest season? What's

2195
01:47:03,067 --> 01:47:04,427
Speaker 2: the ideal in the next few years.

2196
01:47:05,387 --> 01:47:07,427
Speaker 15: Yeah, I think in the next you'd want to have

2197
01:47:07,667 --> 01:47:11,107
Speaker 15: been an expansion and then hopefully as an opportunity for

2198
01:47:11,187 --> 01:47:12,747
Speaker 15: it to be a bit for full time as well

2199
01:47:12,787 --> 01:47:16,067
Speaker 15: for the players, so they're getting more time together and

2200
01:47:16,147 --> 01:47:18,307
Speaker 15: we're seeing it across this year with certain teams. The

2201
01:47:18,347 --> 01:47:19,827
Speaker 15: teams to spend a bit more time to get it

2202
01:47:19,907 --> 01:47:22,267
Speaker 15: tend to yell a bit more so as an expense

2203
01:47:22,547 --> 01:47:25,587
Speaker 15: expanding the competition as well as going full time. I

2204
01:47:25,627 --> 01:47:27,267
Speaker 15: would up to see that down and down the track.

2205
01:47:27,627 --> 01:47:30,107
Speaker 15: I think that'd be a great opportunity for these players

2206
01:47:30,147 --> 01:47:32,107
Speaker 15: to continue to be able to play more rugby at at.

2207
01:47:31,987 --> 01:47:32,507
Speaker 3: A high level.

2208
01:47:32,587 --> 01:47:34,667
Speaker 2: One hundred percent and huge year for the Black Ferns.

2209
01:47:34,707 --> 01:47:38,067
Speaker 2: Of course, the World Cup in August and September. How

2210
01:47:38,147 --> 01:47:41,187
Speaker 2: confident should we be that this team can emulate what

2211
01:47:41,827 --> 01:47:43,627
Speaker 2: what your team did three years ago?

2212
01:47:44,627 --> 01:47:46,707
Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean I'm back in there, you know, because

2213
01:47:46,707 --> 01:47:48,307
Speaker 15: I've been part of a team that's done that. But

2214
01:47:48,747 --> 01:47:51,747
Speaker 15: after watching this OPK, we've definitely got the players to

2215
01:47:51,867 --> 01:47:53,667
Speaker 15: be able to win a World Cup on the world stage.

2216
01:47:54,347 --> 01:47:57,747
Speaker 2: And also just this week you launched New Zealand Rugby

2217
01:47:58,227 --> 01:48:01,427
Speaker 2: Next Ferns nationwide search for new rugby talent in a

2218
01:48:01,467 --> 01:48:04,027
Speaker 2: bid to uncover some future players for the fifteens and

2219
01:48:04,267 --> 01:48:07,547
Speaker 2: sevens programs. How confident are you can uncover a few

2220
01:48:07,667 --> 01:48:09,227
Speaker 2: gems through through this program?

2221
01:48:10,067 --> 01:48:12,507
Speaker 15: Yeah, I'm really excited about this program, and it's such

2222
01:48:12,547 --> 01:48:14,907
Speaker 15: a great opportunity to, you know, to put the feelers

2223
01:48:14,947 --> 01:48:17,267
Speaker 15: out there for athletes, and you know they're not already

2224
01:48:17,267 --> 01:48:19,147
Speaker 15: I guess in our part play and we know the

2225
01:48:19,227 --> 01:48:21,027
Speaker 15: power of it. We don't want it's already done with

2226
01:48:21,107 --> 01:48:23,187
Speaker 15: the lights of a Kada blade. Kayla mckels, who came

2227
01:48:23,227 --> 01:48:25,947
Speaker 15: through poor shortsman. I think even Gail Bortter was kind

2228
01:48:25,987 --> 01:48:27,427
Speaker 15: of ordered in the system in terms of a little

2229
01:48:27,427 --> 01:48:29,907
Speaker 15: bit of ra played in the league and other sports too,

2230
01:48:30,067 --> 01:48:32,227
Speaker 15: so for her, you know, so it has worked in

2231
01:48:32,307 --> 01:48:33,827
Speaker 15: the past, so you know, we wanted to give it

2232
01:48:33,867 --> 01:48:35,867
Speaker 15: a credit span and wanted over a decade since we've

2233
01:48:36,147 --> 01:48:38,387
Speaker 15: We've done it, and I think it's just yeah, it's

2234
01:48:38,387 --> 01:48:40,187
Speaker 15: course want people to come in and give it a go.

2235
01:48:40,307 --> 01:48:41,827
Speaker 15: If you want to be an ex bleacer and you've

2236
01:48:41,827 --> 01:48:44,427
Speaker 15: got a bit of height, you've got some speed, or

2237
01:48:44,507 --> 01:48:47,507
Speaker 15: you offer some real serious power, you know, we want

2238
01:48:47,547 --> 01:48:47,827
Speaker 15: to see that.

2239
01:48:48,147 --> 01:48:50,027
Speaker 2: Yeah, looking forward to seeing the fruits of it. All right,

2240
01:48:50,067 --> 01:48:52,227
Speaker 2: are you willing to call it tonight Blues or matter too.

2241
01:48:53,787 --> 01:48:58,187
Speaker 15: I've actually I've been I've been becking my probably my

2242
01:48:58,267 --> 01:48:59,827
Speaker 15: head the last few weeks, and I'm going to back

2243
01:48:59,907 --> 01:49:01,547
Speaker 15: my heart this week and I'm going to go with

2244
01:49:01,587 --> 01:49:02,867
Speaker 15: the Buster two twelve and under.

2245
01:49:03,107 --> 01:49:05,547
Speaker 2: Wonderful. Thanks Kendor, really appreciate your time this auftern to

2246
01:49:05,627 --> 01:49:07,547
Speaker 2: look forward to a crack game tonight at Eden Park.

2247
01:49:08,347 --> 01:49:10,787
Speaker 2: All right, thank you, No, thank you, Kendrack, Kendrick cox Edge.

2248
01:49:10,787 --> 01:49:14,227
Speaker 2: There so Blues Women Mutter too. Tonight seven five four

2249
01:49:14,347 --> 01:49:16,987
Speaker 2: thirty five is Blues Minor PACIFICA and Super Rugby Pacific,

2250
01:49:17,067 --> 01:49:19,947
Speaker 2: followed by the Super Rugby Opicky Final. The Blues Women

2251
01:49:19,987 --> 01:49:22,747
Speaker 2: are firm favorites at the tab a dollar thirty Master

2252
01:49:22,787 --> 01:49:25,947
Speaker 2: two outside is at three dollars twenty But as mentioned

2253
01:49:25,947 --> 01:49:28,867
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago, they became and were the

2254
01:49:28,947 --> 01:49:31,867
Speaker 2: only team in around robin to beat the Blues. Did

2255
01:49:31,907 --> 01:49:33,387
Speaker 2: that and fun Ad a couple of weeks ago, so

2256
01:49:33,467 --> 01:49:37,627
Speaker 2: they'll take confidence out of that. Twenty five to three

2257
01:49:38,307 --> 01:49:40,827
Speaker 2: when we come back, we'll talk some football. The Wellington

2258
01:49:40,867 --> 01:49:43,867
Speaker 2: Phoenix and Auckland FC, both in A League men's action

2259
01:49:44,547 --> 01:49:47,307
Speaker 2: in the next few hours are Wellington Phoenix Melbourne victory

2260
01:49:47,347 --> 01:49:51,347
Speaker 2: five o'clock at Sky Stadium, then Auckland FC against Sydney

2261
01:49:51,547 --> 01:49:54,067
Speaker 2: FC at Elli and Stadium and Sydney that's a seven

2262
01:49:54,067 --> 01:49:56,827
Speaker 2: o'clock kickoff, so back to back matches for our two

2263
01:49:56,947 --> 01:49:59,107
Speaker 2: men's teams in the A League. We'll get inside both

2264
01:49:59,147 --> 01:50:02,867
Speaker 2: camps here from both coaches before three o'clock here on NEWSTALKSB.

2265
01:50:03,627 --> 01:50:05,467
Speaker 7: It's more than just a game.

2266
01:50:05,827 --> 01:50:10,507
Speaker 1: Weekend sport with Jason Hine and GJ. Garnnerholmes, new Zealand's

2267
01:50:10,507 --> 01:50:11,627
Speaker 1: most trusted home builder.

2268
01:50:11,787 --> 01:50:15,467
Speaker 2: News Talks there B, News Talks there be and weekends

2269
01:50:15,507 --> 01:50:18,067
Speaker 2: Bore twenty one away from three. Auckland FC back in

2270
01:50:18,187 --> 01:50:22,227
Speaker 2: A League men's action tonight, having extended their unbeaten streak

2271
01:50:22,307 --> 01:50:27,907
Speaker 2: to eleven games a week ago at the end of

2272
01:50:28,667 --> 01:50:33,747
Speaker 2: the scowling game of Fort Folk taps eighty on both

2273
01:50:33,867 --> 01:50:38,867
Speaker 2: sites on the FC once Western Sydney Wanderers one. Yeah,

2274
01:50:38,867 --> 01:50:42,987
Speaker 2: so that was last weekend. Tonight, Auckland FC face Sydney

2275
01:50:43,147 --> 01:50:46,307
Speaker 2: FC in Sydney seven o'clock kickoff, New Zealand time. Auckland

2276
01:50:46,387 --> 01:50:48,907
Speaker 2: f C coach is Steve Coricker, who joins us now

2277
01:50:48,987 --> 01:50:53,427
Speaker 2: Steve first time back in Sydney at Sydney FC as

2278
01:50:53,427 --> 01:50:57,467
Speaker 2: an opposition coach. Of course, you won premierships and championships

2279
01:50:57,547 --> 01:51:00,107
Speaker 2: at Sydney FC as a player and as a coach,

2280
01:51:00,707 --> 01:51:02,587
Speaker 2: so how do you expect the emotions to be when

2281
01:51:02,627 --> 01:51:04,507
Speaker 2: you arrive at the ground in a few hours time.

2282
01:51:05,667 --> 01:51:09,227
Speaker 20: It is definitely strange game for me to this weekend,

2283
01:51:09,427 --> 01:51:11,867
Speaker 20: obviously going back to Sydney after a long time. So

2284
01:51:13,427 --> 01:51:15,307
Speaker 20: the main thing obviously it's a big thing for me.

2285
01:51:15,467 --> 01:51:18,907
Speaker 20: But the main thing is that the players remain focused

2286
01:51:18,987 --> 01:51:21,987
Speaker 20: and just get the job done. It's no different for them.

2287
01:51:22,067 --> 01:51:24,947
Speaker 20: It's we know how difficult the season is going to be.

2288
01:51:25,267 --> 01:51:28,347
Speaker 20: The running four games are all difficult, so we treat

2289
01:51:28,387 --> 01:51:30,707
Speaker 20: them as a as a final. Each game, and the

2290
01:51:30,787 --> 01:51:32,787
Speaker 20: songs of the players are focused on that. That's the

2291
01:51:32,907 --> 01:51:33,227
Speaker 20: main thing.

2292
01:51:33,467 --> 01:51:37,147
Speaker 2: So you're eleven games unbeaten, five points clear at the top,

2293
01:51:37,227 --> 01:51:40,467
Speaker 2: with four games to go, but four draws in your

2294
01:51:40,587 --> 01:51:42,707
Speaker 2: last five matches. How do you assess, Steve? Where you

2295
01:51:42,787 --> 01:51:45,667
Speaker 2: are with four games to go before the finals.

2296
01:51:47,227 --> 01:51:49,747
Speaker 20: Five points clear? I think if I would have said

2297
01:51:49,787 --> 01:51:51,187
Speaker 20: that at the start of the year, I think we

2298
01:51:51,227 --> 01:51:54,987
Speaker 20: would have taken it. So I think the last last

2299
01:51:55,027 --> 01:51:57,987
Speaker 20: few games, obviously, the draws, there's a couple of things

2300
01:51:58,027 --> 01:51:59,907
Speaker 20: in that. I think it shows that we're hard to beat,

2301
01:52:01,067 --> 01:52:04,467
Speaker 20: but we just haven't had the cutting edge of late,

2302
01:52:04,587 --> 01:52:07,227
Speaker 20: I think to finish teams off when we've had opportunities.

2303
01:52:07,267 --> 01:52:09,627
Speaker 20: That's the other side of things. So there's obviously two

2304
01:52:09,667 --> 01:52:13,147
Speaker 20: different sides of it. Like you said, eleven unbeaten, I

2305
01:52:13,187 --> 01:52:16,307
Speaker 20: think that's that's pretty pretty good for a team that's

2306
01:52:16,467 --> 01:52:19,667
Speaker 20: just coming to the league and showing what we can do.

2307
01:52:20,147 --> 01:52:23,347
Speaker 2: And apart from the cutting edge, there's also the concession

2308
01:52:23,387 --> 01:52:27,507
Speaker 2: of goals. Are the recent draws in any way frustrating, Steve,

2309
01:52:27,627 --> 01:52:30,987
Speaker 2: especially given the fact that you held leads but gave

2310
01:52:31,107 --> 01:52:33,107
Speaker 2: up leads in three of those.

2311
01:52:33,027 --> 01:52:36,147
Speaker 20: For matches, Yeah, I think that's probably for me, it

2312
01:52:36,347 --> 01:52:38,947
Speaker 20: is anyway, because I think if you see at the

2313
01:52:39,027 --> 01:52:41,027
Speaker 20: start of the year we were doing the opposite, you know,

2314
01:52:41,467 --> 01:52:43,827
Speaker 20: would go up and we would keep a clean sheet

2315
01:52:43,947 --> 01:52:46,747
Speaker 20: or you know, we would get the job done. And

2316
01:52:46,827 --> 01:52:50,147
Speaker 20: I think the last few games obviously Adelaide's Central Coast

2317
01:52:52,307 --> 01:52:57,627
Speaker 20: Wanderers even last week, you know, obviously tough teams to

2318
01:52:57,667 --> 01:53:00,187
Speaker 20: play against. But yeah, I think, you know, that's probably

2319
01:53:00,187 --> 01:53:02,467
Speaker 20: the difference from the start of the season. But you know,

2320
01:53:02,547 --> 01:53:04,867
Speaker 20: towards the end of the season, everyone is, you know,

2321
01:53:05,107 --> 01:53:08,867
Speaker 20: desperate for points and it shows, you know. That's probably

2322
01:53:09,227 --> 01:53:12,267
Speaker 20: the real positive for me is that you know, we

2323
01:53:12,707 --> 01:53:15,307
Speaker 20: haven't been beaten, and that's that's a real positive for

2324
01:53:15,747 --> 01:53:18,507
Speaker 20: you know, we've we've lost two games all season. I

2325
01:53:18,627 --> 01:53:22,147
Speaker 20: know draws obviously not the best thing for us right now,

2326
01:53:22,267 --> 01:53:26,547
Speaker 20: but it's a real positive to going into the finals

2327
01:53:27,107 --> 01:53:28,027
Speaker 20: with that mentality.

2328
01:53:28,627 --> 01:53:31,987
Speaker 2: Formation wise, are you all in on the front two

2329
01:53:32,187 --> 01:53:35,387
Speaker 2: Max mart Gizuomo Mai you've played those two together for

2330
01:53:35,467 --> 01:53:38,267
Speaker 2: the last well quite a few games, or might you

2331
01:53:38,707 --> 01:53:42,107
Speaker 2: consider going back to the slightly different formation you used

2332
01:53:42,107 --> 01:53:45,107
Speaker 2: earlier in the season when you had just Gizmomi and

2333
01:53:45,347 --> 01:53:47,907
Speaker 2: two wingers. A winger either side off from up front.

2334
01:53:49,267 --> 01:53:52,547
Speaker 20: Well, we've still got the wingers with the two up front.

2335
01:53:52,667 --> 01:53:54,787
Speaker 20: But you know, like I said to someone the other day,

2336
01:53:54,947 --> 01:53:58,307
Speaker 20: it looks like is two strikers. But if you look

2337
01:53:58,387 --> 01:54:01,747
Speaker 20: how deep Gemo is dropping, it's more like a ten anyway.

2338
01:54:01,787 --> 01:54:04,627
Speaker 20: He's playing as a ten. So you know, obviously with

2339
01:54:04,907 --> 01:54:08,707
Speaker 20: Max playing it gives us another dimension because of his height,

2340
01:54:09,187 --> 01:54:13,067
Speaker 20: his strength. That's probably the only difference. When Max plays that,

2341
01:54:13,187 --> 01:54:17,187
Speaker 20: he obviously gives us another route a little bit more direct.

2342
01:54:17,547 --> 01:54:19,187
Speaker 20: You know, we can play balls into him that he

2343
01:54:19,267 --> 01:54:21,227
Speaker 20: can hold up. But if you look at Gaugemo, he's

2344
01:54:21,267 --> 01:54:24,147
Speaker 20: playing more deeper and you could plug class him as

2345
01:54:24,187 --> 01:54:25,987
Speaker 20: a as a ten if you really wanted to. But

2346
01:54:26,227 --> 01:54:29,947
Speaker 20: he's also in the box to score goals. Right now,

2347
01:54:30,067 --> 01:54:34,347
Speaker 20: it's working well. You know, we've changed the system a

2348
01:54:34,387 --> 01:54:36,667
Speaker 20: couple of times. You know, we've gone with the back

2349
01:54:36,707 --> 01:54:39,667
Speaker 20: three as well to to try and bring us home

2350
01:54:39,787 --> 01:54:43,307
Speaker 20: towards laden games as well, either to keep a clean

2351
01:54:43,547 --> 01:54:46,587
Speaker 20: clean sheet or to go a little bit more attacking

2352
01:54:46,667 --> 01:54:47,827
Speaker 20: with that system as well.

2353
01:54:47,867 --> 01:54:50,267
Speaker 2: You can do. Can you just give us an availability

2354
01:54:50,347 --> 01:54:52,307
Speaker 2: update on a couple of players who've been missing recently

2355
01:54:52,387 --> 01:54:55,267
Speaker 2: through injury, that you're Colombian important aati I know, and

2356
01:54:55,387 --> 01:54:58,467
Speaker 2: also Liam Gillian who's been out for a bit longer.

2357
01:54:59,587 --> 01:55:06,187
Speaker 20: Yeah, they're both both trained. Liam trained fully this week obviously,

2358
01:55:07,227 --> 01:55:10,347
Speaker 20: you know, he's been out longer than Nada. He's been

2359
01:55:10,387 --> 01:55:13,147
Speaker 20: out for probably six to eight weeks. I think maybe

2360
01:55:13,187 --> 01:55:15,747
Speaker 20: a little bit longer. I'm not too sure exactly how long.

2361
01:55:15,827 --> 01:55:18,227
Speaker 20: It's been quite a while with him, but he was

2362
01:55:18,347 --> 01:55:20,827
Speaker 20: very good at training this week. So's he'll be traveling

2363
01:55:21,987 --> 01:55:24,667
Speaker 20: and Nada also will be traveling. He's he's done less

2364
01:55:24,707 --> 01:55:28,187
Speaker 20: training this week, but he's sticked all the boxes. You know,

2365
01:55:28,467 --> 01:55:30,267
Speaker 20: he's only been out a couple of weeks, so it's

2366
01:55:31,707 --> 01:55:34,427
Speaker 20: you know, his fitness and fitness levels is probably a

2367
01:55:34,467 --> 01:55:36,067
Speaker 20: little bit better than Liam's at the moment.

2368
01:55:36,587 --> 01:55:39,587
Speaker 2: Sydney FC, your opposition tonight. They're in a battle for

2369
01:55:39,707 --> 01:55:43,027
Speaker 2: finals places. It's very very tight in of around sort

2370
01:55:43,027 --> 01:55:45,227
Speaker 2: of five, six, seven on the table, which is where

2371
01:55:45,267 --> 01:55:48,627
Speaker 2: they are. Do you think that'll make them more desperate,

2372
01:55:48,667 --> 01:55:51,427
Speaker 2: perhaps even more dangerous for you tonight.

2373
01:55:52,427 --> 01:55:54,667
Speaker 20: I think all teams are dangerous at this time of year,

2374
01:55:54,787 --> 01:55:57,267
Speaker 20: especially teams that are around the six and trying to

2375
01:55:57,307 --> 01:56:03,787
Speaker 20: get into the six. You know, it's yeah, they definitely

2376
01:56:03,827 --> 01:56:08,747
Speaker 20: will be. They played in the champ League and they've

2377
01:56:08,747 --> 01:56:10,987
Speaker 20: got to play again on next Wednesday, I think after

2378
01:56:11,107 --> 01:56:14,227
Speaker 20: our game in the Champions League games, so they've got

2379
01:56:14,227 --> 01:56:16,867
Speaker 20: a lot of games coming up, probably a lot of

2380
01:56:16,947 --> 01:56:20,827
Speaker 20: travelers well because they've played away on Wednesday. So we'll

2381
01:56:20,907 --> 01:56:23,347
Speaker 20: just try and make the most of what we're trying

2382
01:56:23,387 --> 01:56:26,387
Speaker 20: to achieve and obviously we want to get a win.

2383
01:56:26,587 --> 01:56:29,827
Speaker 20: So our next challenge is obviously sitting at their ground

2384
01:56:29,907 --> 01:56:32,187
Speaker 20: and it would be a great challenge for us all

2385
01:56:32,267 --> 01:56:34,067
Speaker 20: to go there and get three points.

2386
01:56:34,267 --> 01:56:36,587
Speaker 2: And if you look at the threats that they post, Steve,

2387
01:56:36,627 --> 01:56:40,987
Speaker 2: they've got a number of attacking threats. Patrick Klimala ten goals,

2388
01:56:41,387 --> 01:56:44,907
Speaker 2: Adrian Sigacich ten goals, Joe Lollie's got nine, Douglas Costa

2389
01:56:45,347 --> 01:56:47,987
Speaker 2: starting to show what he can do. Do you expect

2390
01:56:47,987 --> 01:56:50,467
Speaker 2: them to come at you at home tonight?

2391
01:56:51,307 --> 01:56:53,187
Speaker 20: I think that's their style of football. They will, I

2392
01:56:53,307 --> 01:56:58,667
Speaker 20: think one. Yeah, So obviously we're prepared for that. We

2393
01:56:59,467 --> 01:57:03,307
Speaker 20: you know, we we know how they play and the

2394
01:57:04,227 --> 01:57:06,267
Speaker 20: areas that we want to try and exploit as well.

2395
01:57:07,187 --> 01:57:09,867
Speaker 20: Very attacking team and they get a lot of bodies forward.

2396
01:57:10,467 --> 01:57:14,347
Speaker 20: Obviously defensively you know, they they've conceded some goals and

2397
01:57:14,427 --> 01:57:16,307
Speaker 20: I think, you know, we if we play really well

2398
01:57:16,387 --> 01:57:18,427
Speaker 20: and we can take our opportunities when they come, that

2399
01:57:18,547 --> 01:57:21,387
Speaker 20: we will have a really good crack and hopefully get

2400
01:57:21,387 --> 01:57:22,027
Speaker 20: the three points.

2401
01:57:22,507 --> 01:57:25,267
Speaker 2: You've been here before, Steve, you have won a league,

2402
01:57:25,347 --> 01:57:29,027
Speaker 2: premierships and championships as a player and as a coach.

2403
01:57:29,307 --> 01:57:31,627
Speaker 2: So as you look to negotiate the back end of

2404
01:57:32,147 --> 01:57:34,947
Speaker 2: this season, you're first at Auckland f C. How much

2405
01:57:34,987 --> 01:57:37,667
Speaker 2: do you draw on your past experiences as a player

2406
01:57:38,227 --> 01:57:39,867
Speaker 2: and I guess more so as a coach.

2407
01:57:41,387 --> 01:57:44,147
Speaker 20: Yeah, it's obviously you know, we're in a great position

2408
01:57:44,227 --> 01:57:47,667
Speaker 20: obviously to do something special in winning trophy first time

2409
01:57:47,747 --> 01:57:50,987
Speaker 20: ever in New Zealand. So you know, obviously there's a

2410
01:57:50,987 --> 01:57:52,907
Speaker 20: lot of pressure, but there's pressure going into every game

2411
01:57:52,987 --> 01:57:55,067
Speaker 20: and you know, maybe we were a little bit unknown

2412
01:57:55,107 --> 01:57:57,187
Speaker 20: at the start of the season, but you know, teams

2413
01:57:57,307 --> 01:58:01,427
Speaker 20: is obviously come quickly and worked out that we're a

2414
01:58:01,547 --> 01:58:03,947
Speaker 20: very good team, hard to beat, and you know teams

2415
01:58:03,987 --> 01:58:06,667
Speaker 20: lifts as well because they're playing you know, the number

2416
01:58:06,667 --> 01:58:09,387
Speaker 20: one team at the moment, so it's always going to

2417
01:58:09,427 --> 01:58:11,547
Speaker 20: be tough running to the end of the season. And

2418
01:58:12,027 --> 01:58:14,267
Speaker 20: you know it doesn't matter whether we you know, we

2419
01:58:14,427 --> 01:58:17,587
Speaker 20: get the get the job done in you know, two

2420
01:58:17,627 --> 01:58:19,387
Speaker 20: weeks to go all the last game of the season.

2421
01:58:19,507 --> 01:58:21,987
Speaker 20: For me, it's important that the boys remain focused and

2422
01:58:22,347 --> 01:58:25,107
Speaker 20: just keep working hard at what we're what we're trying

2423
01:58:25,147 --> 01:58:28,507
Speaker 20: to achieve, and and remain focused on every every game

2424
01:58:28,547 --> 01:58:30,787
Speaker 20: that we play, because there's no use looking too far

2425
01:58:30,907 --> 01:58:32,947
Speaker 20: in front. It's you know, one game at a time

2426
01:58:33,067 --> 01:58:35,507
Speaker 20: right now, and the game is the Sydney and if

2427
01:58:35,507 --> 01:58:38,347
Speaker 20: we can get three points there, we were inching closer

2428
01:58:38,387 --> 01:58:39,707
Speaker 20: to what we're trying to achieve.

2429
01:58:40,227 --> 01:58:43,147
Speaker 2: And this week, another accolade for you personally, for the

2430
01:58:43,267 --> 01:58:47,307
Speaker 2: fifth straight month, you were voted a League manager of

2431
01:58:47,467 --> 01:58:51,107
Speaker 2: the month. You'll need more room on your mental piece.

2432
01:58:51,547 --> 01:58:53,147
Speaker 2: What do accolades like this mean to you?

2433
01:58:54,267 --> 01:58:56,427
Speaker 20: It was very nice obviously to have to have that,

2434
01:58:56,667 --> 01:58:59,507
Speaker 20: But yeah, obviously it wasn't the best month, I don't

2435
01:58:59,507 --> 01:59:01,947
Speaker 20: think for us with all their drawls in there. But

2436
01:59:02,987 --> 01:59:05,267
Speaker 20: obviously we have a lot of fans that vote for that,

2437
01:59:05,427 --> 01:59:08,947
Speaker 20: and I really appreciate than voting. But yeah, obvious, it's

2438
01:59:09,067 --> 01:59:12,307
Speaker 20: nice to have five five five months in a row.

2439
01:59:12,387 --> 01:59:16,827
Speaker 20: That's pretty pretty fantastic. But you know, it's it's at

2440
01:59:16,827 --> 01:59:18,587
Speaker 20: the end of the day, it doesn't really get me

2441
01:59:18,667 --> 01:59:22,147
Speaker 20: three points, so my main focus is getting three points

2442
01:59:22,147 --> 01:59:23,067
Speaker 20: against Sydney.

2443
01:59:22,827 --> 01:59:24,747
Speaker 2: All right, all all the best getting those tonight, Steve,

2444
01:59:24,947 --> 01:59:27,467
Speaker 2: and on towards the back end of a very exciting

2445
01:59:27,507 --> 01:59:29,947
Speaker 2: a league season, the first for Auckland FC. Best I

2446
01:59:30,067 --> 01:59:31,467
Speaker 2: like tonight made and thanks for chatting to us.

2447
01:59:31,867 --> 01:59:33,467
Speaker 20: Cheers Biney, Thanks Mane, Thank you.

2448
01:59:33,467 --> 01:59:35,747
Speaker 2: Steve, Steve Corika. There seven o'clock to night, Auckland f

2449
01:59:35,787 --> 01:59:38,827
Speaker 2: C against Sydney FC, five o'clock this afternoon, Sky Stadium

2450
01:59:38,867 --> 01:59:42,027
Speaker 2: and Wellington Wellington Phoenix against Melbourn Victory. The Phoenix are

2451
01:59:42,027 --> 01:59:44,147
Speaker 2: out of playoff contention but still looking to finish the

2452
01:59:44,227 --> 01:59:47,307
Speaker 2: season strongly. Melbourn Victory is still well and truly in

2453
01:59:47,507 --> 01:59:51,187
Speaker 2: the playoff contention. I spoke briefly yesterday with Wellington Phoenix

2454
01:59:51,267 --> 01:59:53,947
Speaker 2: coach John callow Ataliano and asked him if he could

2455
01:59:53,987 --> 01:59:57,427
Speaker 2: take a degree of confidence from the side's win over

2456
01:59:57,547 --> 01:59:58,707
Speaker 2: Newcastle a week ago.

2457
01:59:59,267 --> 02:00:04,027
Speaker 12: Oh, look, a Pobby had or probably had more confidence

2458
02:00:04,107 --> 02:00:06,707
Speaker 12: coming out of the Sydney game in terms of where

2459
02:00:06,707 --> 02:00:09,987
Speaker 12: we're at. I think Newcastle was definitely a game of

2460
02:00:10,067 --> 02:00:12,867
Speaker 12: two halves. I was disappointed with the second half performance

2461
02:00:12,867 --> 02:00:15,147
Speaker 12: because I felt as though they were there for the taking.

2462
02:00:15,307 --> 02:00:18,027
Speaker 12: They committed more numbers for it, and we just couldn't

2463
02:00:18,107 --> 02:00:20,667
Speaker 12: knock them out. But again, I think if we don't

2464
02:00:20,747 --> 02:00:22,827
Speaker 12: conceive that goal off the corner, which I think was

2465
02:00:22,867 --> 02:00:25,427
Speaker 12: a foul, I don't think that they were going to

2466
02:00:25,467 --> 02:00:28,307
Speaker 12: create any big chances. We kind of played the more

2467
02:00:28,387 --> 02:00:30,587
Speaker 12: the scoreboard and we did the game and that was

2468
02:00:30,627 --> 02:00:32,627
Speaker 12: a disappointing part, but very happy that we picked up

2469
02:00:32,627 --> 02:00:33,107
Speaker 12: three points.

2470
02:00:33,107 --> 02:00:35,307
Speaker 7: I think they merited it. The result.

2471
02:00:35,427 --> 02:00:37,347
Speaker 12: I think, even against Wonders, I think we deserve to

2472
02:00:37,387 --> 02:00:41,507
Speaker 12: win as well. So no, I'm you know, I'm happy

2473
02:00:41,547 --> 02:00:42,467
Speaker 12: with the progress.

2474
02:00:42,427 --> 02:00:44,747
Speaker 2: And you're analysis of the second half. What's come out

2475
02:00:44,787 --> 02:00:46,187
Speaker 2: of that in terms of not being out of land

2476
02:00:46,227 --> 02:00:46,987
Speaker 2: that knockout blow.

2477
02:00:48,387 --> 02:00:52,307
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's a good question. I think definitely the goal

2478
02:00:52,827 --> 02:00:55,467
Speaker 12: was the momentum shifter. I think, yes, we were a

2479
02:00:55,547 --> 02:00:59,507
Speaker 12: little bit, you know, we were regressing back, I think

2480
02:00:59,587 --> 02:01:03,387
Speaker 12: as well making some of the changes. I wasn't getting

2481
02:01:03,427 --> 02:01:08,067
Speaker 12: the impact that I felt that we merited. So it

2482
02:01:08,147 --> 02:01:10,187
Speaker 12: was a combination of those two things. And then you know,

2483
02:01:10,627 --> 02:01:13,827
Speaker 12: when you haven't won for a while, confidence is you know,

2484
02:01:13,987 --> 02:01:15,947
Speaker 12: not where it's supposed to be and sometimes you forget

2485
02:01:15,987 --> 02:01:16,947
Speaker 12: how to close out games.

2486
02:01:17,027 --> 02:01:19,507
Speaker 7: But to be fair, I thought the boys, you know,

2487
02:01:19,707 --> 02:01:20,947
Speaker 7: there was one.

2488
02:01:20,867 --> 02:01:23,507
Speaker 12: Passenger player where they've blocked about maybe I think six

2489
02:01:23,627 --> 02:01:25,707
Speaker 12: seven shots and you know we had all our numbers

2490
02:01:25,707 --> 02:01:28,067
Speaker 12: in the box and we defended quite stoutly and away

2491
02:01:28,107 --> 02:01:30,227
Speaker 12: from home, so against a team that you know, it's

2492
02:01:30,267 --> 02:01:32,507
Speaker 12: been very good, you know, the last two three months.

2493
02:01:32,547 --> 02:01:35,387
Speaker 7: So yeah, again it was positive.

2494
02:01:35,747 --> 02:01:36,227
Speaker 20: What do you make it?

2495
02:01:36,307 --> 02:01:39,867
Speaker 2: The performance of off Kazu and an advanced role and

2496
02:01:39,907 --> 02:01:42,507
Speaker 2: assist flick on hitter and a nice finess for his goal.

2497
02:01:42,867 --> 02:01:43,827
Speaker 7: Yeah, I thought he was great.

2498
02:01:44,027 --> 02:01:46,347
Speaker 12: I think he's actually bringing us into the game quite

2499
02:01:46,427 --> 02:01:48,987
Speaker 12: nicely now as a first point in contact, taking a

2500
02:01:49,027 --> 02:01:50,907
Speaker 12: little bit of pressure off Costa to be the first

2501
02:01:50,947 --> 02:01:55,067
Speaker 12: player engaged on the counter or any transition phase. It's

2502
02:01:55,187 --> 02:01:59,067
Speaker 12: just more about building, you know, that chemistry with the

2503
02:01:59,067 --> 02:02:01,907
Speaker 12: players around him. But I thought he's done a great

2504
02:02:01,987 --> 02:02:03,747
Speaker 12: job for us all season. You know, I've played him

2505
02:02:03,747 --> 02:02:05,787
Speaker 12: as a six, as a ten, you know, I played

2506
02:02:05,867 --> 02:02:08,147
Speaker 12: him as a fall line, so he's been steadily gone.

2507
02:02:08,187 --> 02:02:08,347
Speaker 7: Well.

2508
02:02:08,907 --> 02:02:11,627
Speaker 2: So Melbourne victory. I mean, in your time as head

2509
02:02:11,667 --> 02:02:13,827
Speaker 2: coach and you've had some battles for them and they've

2510
02:02:13,907 --> 02:02:16,867
Speaker 2: always been close. Is that what you're expecting tomorrow?

2511
02:02:17,347 --> 02:02:18,907
Speaker 12: Yeah, I think been no different to the game we

2512
02:02:18,987 --> 02:02:21,707
Speaker 12: played at Amy Park. I think, you know, as much

2513
02:02:21,747 --> 02:02:23,387
Speaker 12: as we did create in that game, I thought that

2514
02:02:23,467 --> 02:02:25,787
Speaker 12: was a really even game up until they had scored,

2515
02:02:25,987 --> 02:02:27,827
Speaker 12: and it was something that we could have prevented, you know.

2516
02:02:27,947 --> 02:02:32,467
Speaker 12: The victory that built on quick transitions with some really

2517
02:02:32,587 --> 02:02:34,547
Speaker 12: really good players, and that's something that we need to

2518
02:02:34,587 --> 02:02:37,147
Speaker 12: be aware of tomorrow. But again, we have a nice

2519
02:02:37,227 --> 02:02:39,347
Speaker 12: rivalry and you know, it will be no different tomorrow.

2520
02:02:39,627 --> 02:02:40,947
Speaker 12: I think the boys are up for it, you know.

2521
02:02:40,987 --> 02:02:43,267
Speaker 12: I think usually mentioned yesterday, boys don't want to go

2522
02:02:43,347 --> 02:02:45,467
Speaker 12: to Darwin, you know for the straight Cup playoff, and

2523
02:02:46,027 --> 02:02:48,467
Speaker 12: I think that's a good incentive. And I think also

2524
02:02:48,587 --> 02:02:49,867
Speaker 12: in the back of the mind of a lot of

2525
02:02:49,907 --> 02:02:52,267
Speaker 12: those care we boys is that they want to impress

2526
02:02:52,307 --> 02:02:53,427
Speaker 12: the national team coach, you know, in.

2527
02:02:53,547 --> 02:02:55,227
Speaker 7: Order to make a case together to World Cup. So

2528
02:02:56,467 --> 02:02:57,387
Speaker 7: motivations there that.

2529
02:02:57,507 --> 02:03:00,347
Speaker 2: Is Jen Calloo taliana head coach at Wellington Phoenix. The

2530
02:03:00,427 --> 02:03:02,787
Speaker 2: mein side up against Melbourne victory from five o'clock this

2531
02:03:02,947 --> 02:03:07,467
Speaker 2: afternoon at Sky Stadium in Wellington. Adaway News Talks ep.

2532
02:03:08,347 --> 02:03:13,307
Speaker 1: Breaking down the Hail Mary's and the epic fails. Weekend

2533
02:03:13,427 --> 02:03:16,667
Speaker 1: Sport with Jason him News Talk ZENB.

2534
02:03:17,107 --> 02:03:19,267
Speaker 2: Five to three. That's us for today. Quickly looking hits

2535
02:03:19,267 --> 02:03:22,147
Speaker 2: to tomorrow, where we'll be looking at whether New Zealand

2536
02:03:22,187 --> 02:03:26,307
Speaker 2: should be bidding again for the Rugby World Cup. Gonna

2537
02:03:26,347 --> 02:03:29,267
Speaker 2: chat to a heavy hitter from last time we were successful,

2538
02:03:29,587 --> 02:03:32,067
Speaker 2: former Prime Minister Helen Clark on the show tomorrow. Your

2539
02:03:32,147 --> 02:03:35,347
Speaker 2: views are welcome to plenty from the Masters, plenty from

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Speaker 2: Super Rugby, plenty from Supercars. The Warriors play tomorrow, will

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Speaker 2: preview that as well, so lots to get stuck into

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Speaker 2: tomorrow on the show. Thanks for listening in today, Huge

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Speaker 2: thanks to Bevan Due for producing the show. Thanks mate,

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Speaker 2: and Bevan's chosen as our exit track. Today's channel is

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Speaker 2: in a bogan with so much murdersport going on at

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Speaker 2: the moment and gone back to June of two thousand

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Speaker 2: and three. American rock super group Audio Slave Chris Cornell

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Speaker 2: on lead vocal show me how to Live. Not a

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Speaker 2: bad song to go, don't be enjoy the rest of

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Speaker 2: the afternoon, Say Tomoric. Thanks everyone, See him dadda ic.

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Speaker 1: For more from weekends Sport with Jason Fine. Listen live

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