1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,280 Speaker 1: Listen. The Miniesterfa Children has just put all on a 2 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: tamadiki on a performance plan. She's written to the Chief 3 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: Executive laying out five new measures that she expects to 4 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: be reported on every single quarter. Karen Shaw, obviously is 5 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:15,239 Speaker 1: the Minister for Children. Hey Karen, Hi, how's it going good? 6 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: Thank you? 7 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 2: Now. 8 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: The first thing that you want to know is what 9 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: percentage of children in care have been checked on by 10 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: their social worker at least once in the last two months? 11 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: Is this not happening to one hundred percent of them? 12 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:31,479 Speaker 2: What we'd gather from the Independent Children's Monitor reports is 13 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 2: this has not been happening. Unfortunately, those reports only come 14 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 2: out yearly, and we're actually being reactive instead of proactive. 15 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 2: So I'm going to make sure that we get these 16 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 2: quarterly reports so we can see it in real time 17 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 2: and actually make sure we're improving things. 18 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: So what percentage of kids are actually getting checked on 19 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: every couple of months? 20 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 2: From what I can remember, it was a very low number. Sorry, 21 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 2: I don't have that right in front of me, but 22 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 2: it was an unacceptable number. I brought it up quite 23 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 2: a lot while I was an opposition and it never improved. 24 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 2: So I want to make sure that we're actually citing 25 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 2: these young people and making sure they're safe. 26 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: I mean, is this not exactly the kind of thing 27 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 1: that should be done to make sure that kids who 28 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: are in care are not being abused and mistreated in 29 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: the way that we've just found out through the inquiry. 30 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 2: Absolutely, and that's why I am making sure that this 31 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 2: is one of my number one priorities, citing young people 32 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 2: and making sure that they're safe. 33 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, So what's OT's problem? Do they just not want 34 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 1: to do it? Or are they under resource they don't 35 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 1: think it's important? What's up? 36 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 2: I think it's a bit of a bit of each 37 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 2: of what you've spoken about, and that's why I'm making 38 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 2: sure that we're resourcing the front line better so that 39 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 2: they are able to do these basic things that should 40 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 2: be getting done. 41 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: Okay, Now, the second thing you want to know is 42 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: around reports of concern, Right, you want to know how 43 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: many critical reports are handled within twenty four hours? What 44 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: do you reckon that number? 45 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 2: Is? There are thousands of reports of concern, but we 46 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 2: have not been meeting the expectation of the time frames. 47 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 2: And this also bleeds into are we actually citing the 48 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:15,919 Speaker 2: young people with critical reports? Of concern, So those two 49 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 2: numbers will be very critical to make sure that we 50 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 2: are making sure that these young people are safe in 51 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 2: the homes that we are putting them in as well. 52 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, now the critical are we talking when we talk 53 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: about critical reports of concern? Are we talking about the 54 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 1: kind of report that you did before a child is 55 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: bashed to death by its parents? Is that what we're 56 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 1: talking about here? 57 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 2: Yeah? Critical would be a situation or we're a young 58 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 2: person we know would be an immediate danger. Would that 59 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 2: be through a domestic violence call out from police? It 60 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 2: could be from neighbors who have stated that they're seeing 61 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 2: something really really wrong in that place. That is critical 62 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 2: where we know a young person is an immediate danger. 63 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 1: And again OT is getting this and not the deal 64 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: with the critical things, not not everything, but not with 65 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: the critical things within a day. 66 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 2: I don't think we actually have the true data on that. 67 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 2: We have bits and pieces, but not the true data. 68 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 2: And that's why I want to see the true, real 69 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:18,679 Speaker 2: data to make sure that we're actually getting that right. 70 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: I see that you've said that there are some charities 71 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,119 Speaker 1: who are dealers who are treating OT as a cash cow. 72 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: Which charities are you talking about. 73 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 2: If you refer to the press release from Autonotomiki, there 74 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 2: are a couple in there where the bundles delivered, but 75 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 2: there's also some where we're still negotiating around clawbacks and 76 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 2: making sure that we do get that money back. I'm 77 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 2: not going to be naming and shaming different organizations, but 78 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 2: what I am going to be saying is this will 79 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 2: no longer be happening. If you don't provide a service, 80 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 2: you don't get to keep the money. You give the 81 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 2: money back. 82 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: Does this press release actually name and shame. 83 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 2: Responds to some who have been in the media and 84 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:07,839 Speaker 2: gives an explanation of why their funding may have been 85 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 2: been decreased, or just because when you go out to 86 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 2: the media and you talk about something and we need 87 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 2: to make sure that the facts are correct. 88 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: Okay, So, Karen, are you telling me that if I 89 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: go and look at that press release, it's going to 90 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: have some names in there, and those names are in 91 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: some cases treating it like a cash. 92 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 2: Cow, or not specifically those organizations treating it like a 93 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 2: cash cow. But what I mean is if you're under 94 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 2: delivering and you're not providing a service. In the past, 95 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 2: you have not had to give that madeback. We are 96 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 2: now making sure that that money comes back. 97 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 1: Say these people, I mean these people. You are getting 98 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: absolute grief at the moment from these charities and they 99 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 1: are heaping all kinds of criticism on OT. Why don't 100 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 1: you just name. 101 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 2: Them the some of the decisions that have made made 102 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 2: for modern Atomidiki. There are many, many organizations. I don't 103 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 2: specifically know the names of each individual organization. Those are 104 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 2: operational matters. But what I have been told is that 105 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 2: there is a group of organizations that have been growing 106 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 2: big surpluses of savings from army and now we're asking 107 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 2: for it back. 108 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: All right, Hey, Karen, thank you very much. I'm gonna 109 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 1: dig out that press release as soon as soon as 110 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 1: we possibly can. 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