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Speaker 3: One five three?

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Speaker 4: Hello?

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Speaker 3: Are you great new Zellers And welcome to Matt and

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Speaker 3: Tyler Full Show Podcast number one five three for Thursday,

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Speaker 3: the twenty sixth of June twenty twenty five. What a

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Speaker 3: fantastic show it was today, terrifying Graham chat about nuclear war. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but a surprising amount of people don't think that there

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Speaker 3: is a high risk of it, and that kind of

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Speaker 3: maybe that's a naive of them, I think so, but

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Speaker 3: the fact, but I'm willing to hang my hat on

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Speaker 3: that and say, sure, maybe they won't be. Yeah, but

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Speaker 3: if there is one in the Northern Hemisphere, by all accounts,

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Speaker 3: not great for.

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Speaker 2: US, no, but better than other countries. But soon. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's a year apart from the apart from the fact.

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Speaker 2: And you mentioned this during the era, and I'm not

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Speaker 2: going to give much away, but there was an element

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Speaker 2: you mentioned there that there's not too much we can

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Speaker 2: do do about if a nuclear war happens, We're in

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Speaker 2: for hell of a time.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I'm annoyed because the last chat of the

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Speaker 3: show was on hoarders, and there was so many good calls.

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Speaker 3: We could have done that for a lot longer. Maybe

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Speaker 3: we bring hoarders back at some point as a chat

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Speaker 3: because it's a serious issue, and you know, a lot

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Speaker 3: of people wanted to share their stories of members of

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Speaker 3: their family that are suffering from hoarding, both the hoarders

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Speaker 3: and the family members of the hoarders, and of course

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Speaker 3: ref abuse.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a great chat, A lot of good

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Speaker 3: I don't know why. I like people, wait five seconds,

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Speaker 3: we'll tell them what we're going to talk about. Well,

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Speaker 3: what we need to remember to do is tell people

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Speaker 3: what we didn't talk about, what.

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Speaker 2: Didn't we talk about. I think we put it all

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Speaker 3: A tease, got a very unpopular text from someone, Yes,

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Speaker 3: and then I abused the texture and got some abuse

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Speaker 3: for abusing the texture. So I think that's something to

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Speaker 3: look forward to if you listen to the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, abuse inception right, download, subscribe, give us a review.

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Speaker 2: All that good stuff. You're just drinking your man shake there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is a bit of man shake. Give the taste.

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Speaker 6: Keek love you, big stories, the issues, the big trends,

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Speaker 6: and everything in between Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon to you. Welcome into Thursday's show. Really really

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Speaker 2: good to have your company as always. Get a mets

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Speaker 2: yead a Tyler.

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Speaker 3: Good everyone, thanks for so much for tuning in today. Hey,

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Speaker 3: you before you were talking about whether you should let

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Speaker 3: a trade into your house, right, Yeah, well you're away, yes,

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Speaker 3: and look so many, so many people are tix in

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Speaker 3: saying God, I'm a trade just about to jump on

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Speaker 3: a roof. But I personally don't have a problem working

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Speaker 3: on customer sites when they are not around. I protect

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Speaker 3: myself by taking before and after photos of the work,

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Speaker 3: So Tom, there you go. He's running a full target

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Speaker 3: operation on himself to make sure you kin't accuse him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can trust that trading term, that's for sure. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: a lot of people going back to target. It ruins

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Speaker 3: PARTI it's better when you're not there. The job takes

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Speaker 2: Out when they they certainly were.

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Speaker 3: I talked to someone who was done for they made

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Speaker 2: Was a messive honey trap sometimes as well, let's be honest.

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Speaker 3: Wow, yeah, I mean obviously you don't want people sniffing

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Speaker 2: No, no, absolutely, we all remember that, fella and don't

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Speaker 3: I mean, you can sniff mine if you want, tradies,

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Speaker 3: I mean, if the job gets done and the toilet

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Speaker 3: say you go. You're welcome to my boxer shorts.

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Speaker 2: That's a hell of an offer. But before we go

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Speaker 3: Look, no, no, I won't bother with that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well that one we'll hold on to that one.

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Speaker 3: No, I don't want to talk about that.

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Speaker 2: No, No, that's a hell of a tease.

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Speaker 3: All ready to share everything in my life. Okay, well

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Speaker 3: that was just for you, Tyler.

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Speaker 2: We'll consider that one and maybe come back to it,

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Speaker 2: or maybe not to today's show. What a tease? After

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Speaker 2: three o'clock nineteen complaints were made in one year about

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Speaker 2: But we want to take it wider than that. We

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Speaker 3: Why, yeah, that's right. Do you know a hoarder? Are

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Speaker 3: seems it's very very hard hoarders become almost that they

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Speaker 3: But I'd like to hear from hoarders and get your

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of layers to this. If you're a

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Speaker 2: they've said, it's gone too far and this particular incident

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so have you seen ref abuses? They are more

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Speaker 3: Should this just be the standard that you know? It's

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Speaker 2: Happen sends a message, that's for sure. That is after

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Speaker 3: So do you think that nuclear conflict is likely? Does

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Speaker 3: But that's not where the pain stops. And look, you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Really keen to

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Speaker 2: I eight hundred eighty ten eighty. I mean there's plenty there.

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Speaker 3: Or do you think it's just hype and that that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I eight one hundred eighty ten eighty. Do you

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Speaker 3: There will be a full nuclear strike on the z

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Speaker 2: The text machines just lit up, absolutely furious again, So apologies,

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Speaker 2: but it's going to keep happening in forty past one.

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Speaker 2: Be sixteen past one. So we're talking about a report

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Speaker 3: That is what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: They always come through, I reckon, these are your family

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Speaker 3: Defeata Throb, Well, that's one of the things to worry about,

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent? Oh, one hundred and eighteen eighty is

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Speaker 2: the number to call James. You're skeptical that in nuclear

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Speaker 7: Yes, I am, Yes, I think that nuclear bombs have

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Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, fair enough if he was the sole person responsible.

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Speaker 2: So, putting your skepticism of that scenario aside, James, you

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Speaker 7: No, I think the opposite. I think we spend too

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Speaker 3: So you think what percentage chants do you think? Do

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Speaker 3: Well, this is a this is an example of five

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Speaker 7: Historically, if you look at World War Two and then

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Speaker 3: Well, what about you know, mistakes, miscalculations, you know, accidents.

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Speaker 3: I think if you call James, yeah, I mean I

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a very very unpredictable world. And I envy

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Speaker 3: Not a silly idea, Yeah, exactly, because we need to

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Speaker 3: Earthquakes seem to happen in New Zealand quite a lot,

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Speaker 2: I would agree with that. Yeah, oh on one hundred

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Speaker 2: It is twenty five past.

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Speaker 1: One, putting the tough questions to the newspeakers. The mic

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Speaker 3: Here we go again.

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Speaker 9: The Finance Minister's written smalling another letter to the supermarket's

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Speaker 3: Well as are you the Finance minister who cried wolf.

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Speaker 10: No, I have the same basic expectation that every key

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Speaker 9: Make back Monday from six am, the mic asking breakfast

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Speaker 2: Very good afternoon. So we're talking about a report that

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Speaker 11: With five hundred bombs going off, how far south will

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Speaker 11: the electromagnetic pulse reach?

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Speaker 7: Wow?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, miss.

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Speaker 11: This country is based on electronics Cviillian Great electronics are

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Speaker 12: To the people's.

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Speaker 7: Failed.

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Speaker 11: We're going to have mass starvation. We're going to lose

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Speaker 11: a book One second after one month later and one

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Speaker 3: You can you can just before, just before we go on,

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Speaker 11: The electro magnetic pulse fries electronics and kill them dead.

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Speaker 11: So anything that's got an electronic controller in it, which

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Speaker 10: Is that?

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Speaker 3: Is that why when you see in those you know,

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Speaker 11: Yes, if you have a pacemaker and electromagnetic pulse hits

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Speaker 7: Bang, you're dead.

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Speaker 11: Your hearing aids same thing, so does.

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Speaker 3: That electric pulse. You know, so you've got five hundred

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Speaker 3: bombs they go off, they're all firing off. This electromagnetic pulse.

438
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Speaker 3: Does that rock through and might blow out a few things.

439
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Speaker 3: But then after it's gone through, can you you know,

440
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Speaker 3: if you can you fix your your your whatever electronics

441
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Speaker 3: you need to and get them back online.

442
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Speaker 11: No, if the electronics are alive when the electromagnetic pulse hits.

443
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Speaker 7: It's dead.

444
00:21:59,173 --> 00:21:59,493
Speaker 13: That's it.

445
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Speaker 11: You've got to replace it and as then sort of

446
00:22:04,293 --> 00:22:06,973
Speaker 11: recycle it, bury it, whatever. But it's no good to

447
00:22:07,013 --> 00:22:08,133
Speaker 11: you after it's been fried.

448
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Speaker 2: So how do you protect against that, Duncan? What do

449
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Speaker 2: you do to build resilience in that sort of network?

450
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Speaker 11: I'm not sure about. I've only a reason to discover that.

451
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Speaker 11: So I'm still beginning to look at things.

452
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Speaker 2: Well, I'll just reach out what they said in the

453
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Speaker 2: report on digital communications, So they said nearly all of

454
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Speaker 2: New Zealand's digital communications and transferring of data goes via

455
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Speaker 2: submarine fiber optic cables, and if these are severed, some

456
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Speaker 2: of the services they provide, like internet connectivity and cloud

457
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Speaker 2: computing services, a lot of that is controlled in the

458
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Speaker 2: US and therefore potentially more at risk. And they also

459
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Speaker 2: mentioned to your point, satellite networks might be harmed by

460
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Speaker 2: electromagnetic pulses, which would impact GPS and Internet services. So yeah,

461
00:22:49,613 --> 00:22:50,493
Speaker 2: that is a bit of a worry.

462
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

463
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Speaker 11: Next thing, if anybody goes out there and prepares this

464
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Speaker 11: guy force Chen made the point papers will think in

465
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Speaker 11: terms of weeks of a month. How many have asked

466
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Speaker 11: the question what happens next?

467
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Speaker 14: Year.

468
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Speaker 11: What happens in five years? Just about guarantee anybody who's

469
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Speaker 11: got a generator set to ensure they've got their own power,

470
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Speaker 11: there's enough fuel for a month, and have they got

471
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Speaker 11: a fuel for next year or the year after. I

472
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Speaker 11: don't think many people do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and I mean absolutely. And you know,

474
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Speaker 3: you talk about electronics, what about fuel? We import all

475
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Speaker 3: our fuel, We import all our aviation fuel, our diesel,

476
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Speaker 3: our petrol. So your electronics are down, and then you

477
00:23:38,933 --> 00:23:41,213
Speaker 3: pretty quickly won't run out of the very things you

478
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Speaker 3: need to keep food production going. So you know, how

479
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Speaker 3: much food have you stored will better be enough to

480
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Speaker 3: last all the nuclear window goes away, because pretty soon

481
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Speaker 3: we're not going to be able to, you know, bring

482
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Speaker 3: even fertilizer into the country. Duncan excuse me.

483
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Speaker 11: Next point is especially had what you just said is this,

484
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Speaker 11: every classic vehicle pre electronic suddenly becomes worth killing people

485
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Speaker 11: over all. Right, You're going to have a load of

486
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Speaker 11: trouble going on there as theeves try to get the

487
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Speaker 11: few remaining classic working vehicles and steal them for their uses,

488
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Speaker 11: or your people would be playing desperate and then then

489
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Speaker 11: they'll steal the vehicle.

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Speaker 3: Well that's the thing, society, civil order breaking down where

491
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Speaker 3: it's got to be a major thing because you go

492
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Speaker 3: back to the digital thoat of things as well, dunking

493
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Speaker 3: visa master card. That sounds pretty tried, but visa MasterCard,

494
00:24:36,653 --> 00:24:38,173
Speaker 3: all that stuff goes down.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yep.

496
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Speaker 11: Well you I had a warning of it when Gabriel

497
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Speaker 11: hit Grisbane.

498
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and same after the youthquakes in christ You know

499
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Speaker 2: when all those systems went down and cash was king

500
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Speaker 2: and nobody had any cash. How quickly things started to

501
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Speaker 2: go a bit sideways and trying to get food, trying

502
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Speaker 2: to get goods. Yeah, happens very very quickly.

503
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Speaker 11: Yeah, because just there there won't be enough classic vehicles

504
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Speaker 11: around to get the food. Even if you're resurrected every

505
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Speaker 11: old truck next star truck, there's not enough practice to

506
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Speaker 11: who actually plant the food and harvest it.

507
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but beach beach holiday houses will be ransacked for

508
00:25:15,933 --> 00:25:18,693
Speaker 3: their cool old tractors exactly.

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Speaker 2: Duncan, thank you very much. You've done a very deep

510
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Speaker 2: dive into that, but really keen to get your thoughts on, oh,

511
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Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty ten eighty what parts of New

512
00:25:26,853 --> 00:25:30,293
Speaker 2: Zealand society are vulnerable that need to be strengthened in

513
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Speaker 2: the event of one of these unpredictable international events are

514
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Speaker 2: like the one this report has proposed.

515
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Speaker 3: The sex says, stop it. This is scare mongering and

516
00:25:39,093 --> 00:25:44,333
Speaker 3: crazy speculative assumptions. Yeah, but you have to look at risks.

517
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Speaker 3: That's what you have to do as a country and

518
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Speaker 3: a people, and go We're asking two questions. One, do

519
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Speaker 3: you think it's likely? Secondly, if you think it's likely,

520
00:25:53,293 --> 00:25:56,253
Speaker 3: what will be the effects on our country? And thirdly,

521
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Speaker 3: if you think it's likely, and you've listed the effects

522
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Speaker 3: that will have on our country, then should we be preparing?

523
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Speaker 3: Exactly nicely said, and I think it's a problem to

524
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Speaker 3: ask the question. I think it's probably a pretty good

525
00:26:07,093 --> 00:26:07,773
Speaker 3: question to be asking.

526
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Speaker 2: Bang on Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is

527
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Speaker 2: a number to call up to you your thoughts on this.

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Speaker 2: Twenty five to two.

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Speaker 5: To wow.

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Speaker 1: US talks at the headlines with.

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Speaker 15: Blue bubble taxis it's no trouble with a blue bubble.

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Speaker 15: Tapatu Mahdi says Tamaqui Makodo MP, Takutai tash Kemp, who

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Speaker 15: has died, was a daily loved sister who devoted every

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Speaker 15: breath to the Mahdi Liberation movement. The house will mark

535
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Speaker 15: her death at two o'clock and then adjourned for the day.

536
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Speaker 15: Police are asking for footage of an attack at Auckland's

537
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Speaker 15: Pakuranga night markets on Saturday that left two people in

538
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Speaker 15: a critical condition. The ipca's ruled an aggressive and intoxicated

539
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Speaker 15: man's death after he overbalanced and failed during an engagement

540
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Speaker 15: with an officer at Auckland City Mission last year was accidental.

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Speaker 15: website this year in favor of an AI service. Outrage

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Speaker 15: solace in the after life in the arms of Ringo

547
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Speaker 15: star Danny Birkman puts plane that crash landed fifty years

548
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Speaker 15: ago back in the year sort of. You can see

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Speaker 15: the story at Enzen Herald Premium. Back to matt Ethan

550
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Speaker 15: Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Rayleen, and we're talking about this

552
00:27:33,413 --> 00:27:35,853
Speaker 2: report at paints a scenario or what would happen to

553
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Speaker 2: New Zealand in the event of five hundred nuclear bombs

554
00:27:38,533 --> 00:27:41,613
Speaker 2: being detonated in the northern hemisphere this year, and the

555
00:27:41,693 --> 00:27:44,373
Speaker 2: findings are pretty grim. A lot of recommendations in the

556
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Speaker 2: report about what we can or could do to strengthen

557
00:27:46,773 --> 00:27:48,733
Speaker 2: our resilience. But what do you think, oh, eight hundred

558
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Speaker 2: and eighty ten eighty, it looks.

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Speaker 3: Like an emp that we were talking about for might

560
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Speaker 3: not blast us too badly down here at twenty five

561
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Speaker 3: miles up. This analysis says the area of the Earth

562
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Speaker 3: service within the line of sight of the blast, and

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Speaker 3: I guess this depends on the strength of bas An

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Speaker 3: E one pulse would have a radius about four hundred

565
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Speaker 3: and forty miles. So, you know, this is five hundred nukes.

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Speaker 3: Always feels so grim to say yukes. It seems so flippant,

567
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Speaker 3: pretty depressing idea. But five hundred nukes going off then,

568
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Speaker 3: and even if they're you know, high altitude, then that

569
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Speaker 3: might not affect New Zealand. Yeah, I mean a long

570
00:28:29,333 --> 00:28:31,173
Speaker 3: way await, it will affect us and that all the

571
00:28:31,213 --> 00:28:34,933
Speaker 3: electronics that we connect with overseas will be knocked out. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: so it would be pretty hard to go on Amazon

573
00:28:37,293 --> 00:28:38,133
Speaker 3: and use your credit card.

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Speaker 2: H it certainly would do. Yeah, there's a great text

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Speaker 2: here after good afternoon, guys. I was born in nineteen

576
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Speaker 2: forty two, so I have lived under the threat of

577
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Speaker 2: nuclear disaster most of my life. Is nuclear winter still

578
00:28:49,533 --> 00:28:52,213
Speaker 2: a thing. I've just simply given up stressing about it.

579
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Speaker 2: If it happens, it happens. Our visitors coming, so brought

580
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Speaker 2: a pack of toilet rolls.

581
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Speaker 3: Just to make sure.

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Speaker 2: Does that count?

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Speaker 3: From Jenny, it sounds like that great movie, one of

584
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Speaker 3: the grass movies ever made, Doctor Strangelove, or How I

585
00:29:01,853 --> 00:29:04,933
Speaker 3: Learned to Stop worrying and love the bomb situation. Well,

586
00:29:04,973 --> 00:29:06,533
Speaker 3: they are saying that the nuclear winter here in the

587
00:29:06,573 --> 00:29:10,773
Speaker 3: studio would be a various thing. Said the temperatures were

588
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Speaker 3: dropped by four degrees and trigger and nuclear winter. So

589
00:29:14,773 --> 00:29:17,573
Speaker 3: this is interesting. So you know this is going to

590
00:29:17,613 --> 00:29:22,173
Speaker 3: sound pretty I don't know how Look I felt okay

591
00:29:22,253 --> 00:29:25,493
Speaker 3: with this. For New Zealand, twenty two thousand dead on,

592
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Speaker 3: one hundred and ninety five thousand injured or sick, twenty

593
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Speaker 3: five billion in asset losses, thirty one percent of land

594
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Speaker 3: ecosystems damage, two hundred and forty billion hit to a

595
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Speaker 3: GDP that's with five hundred five hundred bomb nuclear conflict

596
00:29:39,133 --> 00:29:43,133
Speaker 3: in the northern Hemisphere. Yeah, I'll take twenty two thousand dead.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's bad, but we can maybe recover from that

598
00:29:47,333 --> 00:29:49,173
Speaker 2: that a five million, Yeah, I.

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Speaker 3: Mean it means that. I mean I think it might

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Speaker 3: get worse over time, as our food infrastructure collapses and

601
00:29:55,253 --> 00:29:58,253
Speaker 3: society disintegrates, and we all turn on each other and

602
00:29:58,773 --> 00:30:01,733
Speaker 3: rusty boats from around the world of armed mutants turn up,

603
00:30:02,373 --> 00:30:06,253
Speaker 3: or the entire the entire navies of major companies go. Oh,

604
00:30:06,333 --> 00:30:07,733
Speaker 3: our country is not in a good shape. Let's go

605
00:30:07,733 --> 00:30:09,373
Speaker 3: down to New Zealand. Yeah, I mean, why that might

606
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Speaker 3: change things. I don't think I'm lasting to that point.

607
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Speaker 3: I'm long gone before that happens. Oh eight one hundred

608
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Speaker 3: the six is, Yes, EMP kills you your fuel injected car,

609
00:30:17,053 --> 00:30:19,253
Speaker 3: My old landrove will be fine. I'll have lots of

610
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Speaker 3: free gas to siphon out of your abandoned recks. Don't

611
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Speaker 3: need internet, reload my own AMMO live way up in

612
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Speaker 3: the hills, firewood to keep warm, and coock on horse

613
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Speaker 3: for transport. May issue was thousands of you city people

614
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Speaker 3: desperate and invading my space to steal and kill me

615
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Speaker 3: for my stuff.

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Speaker 2: This is it's yeah, well good Text. Tho O eight

617
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Speaker 2: one hundred eighty to eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 2: We've got full lines. If you can't get through, keep trying.

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Speaker 2: It is eighteen to two.

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Speaker 3: I got to say, you know, good for you, Warret, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: good for you, Wret.

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Speaker 2: I'm coming to your place.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

624
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Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

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Speaker 2: It'd be very good afternoon to you. It is a

626
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Speaker 2: quarter to two and we're talking about a report that

627
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Speaker 2: was presented recently that shows what would happen in the

628
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Speaker 2: event of five hundred nuclear weapons detonated in the Northern

629
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Speaker 2: Hemisphere and what we need to do here in New

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Speaker 2: Zealand to strengthen our resilience.

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Speaker 3: This Texas Theirs Again. A lot of people are saying

632
00:31:13,173 --> 00:31:16,973
Speaker 3: this Fowlers, stop this alarmist rubbish. This will never happen. Well,

633
00:31:17,093 --> 00:31:21,133
Speaker 3: the New Zealand Catastrophe Resilience Project in their study they

634
00:31:21,213 --> 00:31:23,133
Speaker 3: think it's it is a possibility, and they've done a

635
00:31:23,133 --> 00:31:25,453
Speaker 3: lot more research into it than you have, dear Text,

636
00:31:26,053 --> 00:31:28,773
Speaker 3: or we have, and they say that we should start

637
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Speaker 3: preparing because look, a fuel crisis because all our petrol,

638
00:31:31,973 --> 00:31:34,133
Speaker 3: diesel and jet fuel are imported. So if there's a

639
00:31:34,213 --> 00:31:37,213
Speaker 3: huge nuclear war over seas, then what are we going

640
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Speaker 3: to do about that? You know, renewable electricity output would

641
00:31:40,573 --> 00:31:44,693
Speaker 3: fall as sunlight and wind and rainfall decline. Road, rail,

642
00:31:44,853 --> 00:31:47,253
Speaker 3: sea and air transport would be crippled by fuel and

643
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Speaker 3: parts shortages. Coastal shipping fleets would fail. Food production could

644
00:31:51,013 --> 00:31:54,613
Speaker 3: fall by sixty one percent in New Zealand, yet inputs

645
00:31:54,613 --> 00:31:58,773
Speaker 3: such a seed, fertilizer and diesel are imported, risking shortages.

646
00:31:59,253 --> 00:32:02,133
Speaker 3: There's the submarine cables and satellite connection that we that

647
00:32:02,293 --> 00:32:04,693
Speaker 3: we that we operate with the rest of the world.

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Speaker 3: I think it's worth talking about, even if it's a

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Speaker 3: one percent charts.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But the idea that we somehow buriate heids in

651
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Speaker 2: the sanders, that's never going to happen and we don't

652
00:32:14,493 --> 00:32:18,173
Speaker 2: need to do anything about it. Clearly, these are authors

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Speaker 2: who are highly esteemed academics and they've spent their careers

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Speaker 2: working on this stuff. In their report, they recommended a

655
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Speaker 2: recommended recommendation was for the government to prioritize the development

656
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Speaker 2: of the strategy to prepare for these global catastrophes, and.

657
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Speaker 3: I pushed back on the accusation that we're fear mongering

658
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Speaker 3: or exaggerating. I mean, look at this text here from

659
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Speaker 3: Nico kill all the dogs after a nuclear war. You

660
00:32:40,253 --> 00:32:43,853
Speaker 3: don't want zombie dogs, ravaging babies and cats. Wow. Yeah,

661
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Speaker 3: So I pushed back on the accusations that there's any

662
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Speaker 3: ever do that, Shane, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 7: Hi.

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Speaker 16: Now, I read a really interesting book written by someone

665
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Speaker 16: hype in the American government about three or four months ago,

666
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Speaker 16: called nuclear war a scenario, and they basically say it

667
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Speaker 16: the most likely would be it starts in North Korea

668
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Speaker 16: because North Korea absolutely hates America, and so in this

669
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Speaker 16: particular scenario, they send over a couple of ICBMs, which

670
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Speaker 16: only take twenty minutes to get to the States. Now,

671
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Speaker 16: the States have a policy of so.

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Speaker 3: What was that was that intercontinental ballistic missiles?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you go sow.

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Speaker 16: The States have very little power to shoot them down.

675
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Speaker 16: But it also said that America has a launch on

676
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Speaker 16: warning scenario where because the times are so short, you

677
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Speaker 16: have to launch your nukes now to get back to

678
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Speaker 16: North Korea, those nukes have to fly over over Russia.

679
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Speaker 16: And their radar systems are as sophisticated, and they get confused,

680
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Speaker 16: and then they launch an attack on the United States.

681
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Speaker 16: But there's which basically means total world distruction. But if

682
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Speaker 16: there's already evidence that the North Koreans have got a

683
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Speaker 16: satellite in space which is maneuverable that could launch an

684
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Speaker 16: EMP three hundred miles above North America, which would wipe

685
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Speaker 16: out their entire electricity grid, which would reduce America's population

686
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Speaker 16: by ninety percent within one month. Because there's five hundred

687
00:34:30,213 --> 00:34:33,733
Speaker 16: million guns and three hundred million people and they basically

688
00:34:33,813 --> 00:34:37,293
Speaker 16: are now fighting over scarce resources and killing each other.

689
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Speaker 16: Plus the fact that you don't have without the technology,

690
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Speaker 16: you've got no food or water or anything else. So

691
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Speaker 16: it just becomes an apocalypse social unrest, and so that

692
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Speaker 16: would affect the entire world.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you think that effect would be on

694
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Speaker 3: New Zealand? Do you think we could isolate ourselves become

695
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Speaker 3: self sufficient?

696
00:35:00,413 --> 00:35:00,573
Speaker 7: You know?

697
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Speaker 16: And well, I already am like I'm off Gred. I've

698
00:35:06,333 --> 00:35:09,853
Speaker 16: been off Gred for twenty five years. I've got generator,

699
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Speaker 16: I've got We've got enough animals in the in the

700
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Speaker 16: planet or in New Zealand for us to survive food wise,

701
00:35:17,533 --> 00:35:21,973
Speaker 16: easy to get water. We could have vegetables and grara

702
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Speaker 16: own stuff. But there could be a nuclear winter, which

703
00:35:25,853 --> 00:35:29,333
Speaker 16: will basically make everything die because all the all the

704
00:35:29,813 --> 00:35:33,093
Speaker 16: plants die, then the animals starve, and then we've got

705
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Speaker 16: nothing to eat. So it's a we just have to

706
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Speaker 16: hope this never happens. But when you get lunatics like

707
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Speaker 16: the leader of North Korea, I won't mention any names.

708
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Speaker 16: They they're very unstable.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Or I would argue religious fanatics that are in

710
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Speaker 3: charge of countries such as Iran.

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Speaker 16: Well that's true because if you're a martyr, if you

712
00:36:00,693 --> 00:36:04,453
Speaker 16: die in the you know, during the war, well then

713
00:36:04,773 --> 00:36:06,893
Speaker 16: you get rewarded exactly.

714
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Speaker 3: And it sounds like you've got some pretty you know,

715
00:36:11,293 --> 00:36:14,212
Speaker 3: you've got a decent situation where you are. So could

716
00:36:14,253 --> 00:36:17,093
Speaker 3: you just send me your GPS coordinates and I'll see

717
00:36:17,133 --> 00:36:19,893
Speaker 3: I think, if things go down, I'll see you. I'll

718
00:36:19,893 --> 00:36:21,733
Speaker 3: come up. I'll get some groceries and come and see you.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, you're invited, but but i'll eve them saying you

720
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Speaker 16: my PIN number, because it won't be any use.

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Speaker 2: It'll be a real pain in the r show. I'm

722
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Speaker 2: telling you, you don't know what you've done here.

723
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Speaker 3: Thank you you call shame.

724
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Speaker 2: It is nine to two back very shortly with more

725
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Speaker 2: of your calls. But one hundred and eighty ten eighty

726
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Speaker 2: is the number to call love to get your thoughts.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean this is you know, an important question

728
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Speaker 3: that we need to ask in New Zealand because of

729
00:36:46,013 --> 00:36:48,973
Speaker 3: our importing all our fuel situation, you know, and we

730
00:36:49,093 --> 00:36:52,493
Speaker 3: have to import process full now because we don't even

731
00:36:52,533 --> 00:36:55,413
Speaker 3: have the oil refinery anymore, but so we have to

732
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Speaker 3: have our fuel. So is this this Texas says asking

733
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Speaker 3: what his generator runs on, because that's you know, And

734
00:37:00,213 --> 00:37:03,133
Speaker 3: how many poster of Boclet movies does the main resource

735
00:37:03,173 --> 00:37:05,133
Speaker 3: everyone's finding for become oil?

736
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a massive weakness of New Zealand, that's for sure.

737
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Speaker 2: Nine to two.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

739
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Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty. It's mad Heathen Tyler Adams. Afternoons

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Speaker 1: news Dogs.

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Speaker 2: B news Dogs. There'd b six to two Andrew, how

742
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Speaker 2: are you this afternoon?

743
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Speaker 13: I'm very well.

744
00:37:24,413 --> 00:37:24,693
Speaker 7: Thank you.

745
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Speaker 17: I'll add to this cheery conversation, don't mind.

746
00:37:27,813 --> 00:37:29,733
Speaker 7: Thank you inspired me to go out and buy.

747
00:37:29,653 --> 00:37:32,973
Speaker 17: Some analog bicycles and because my late model, my late

748
00:37:33,253 --> 00:37:35,373
Speaker 17: late model Sabari might become a chicken coop.

749
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Speaker 15: Yeah.

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Speaker 17: But anyway, Hey, talking about close calls, the Cuban missile

751
00:37:40,613 --> 00:37:43,172
Speaker 17: crisis of nineteen sixty two was the world's closest call

752
00:37:43,333 --> 00:37:46,573
Speaker 17: during the Cold War, and you guys might know something

753
00:37:46,613 --> 00:37:49,373
Speaker 17: about that, but it's the story of the submarine that

754
00:37:49,533 --> 00:37:52,213
Speaker 17: got me was the fact that a one of the

755
00:37:52,293 --> 00:37:56,613
Speaker 17: officers on the submarine, Acupov, refused to launch their weapons

756
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Speaker 17: when they when they thought that the submarine was under

757
00:37:59,533 --> 00:38:02,653
Speaker 17: attack because the Americans were busy dropping depth charges on

758
00:38:02,773 --> 00:38:05,053
Speaker 17: it and they assumed that they that World War II

759
00:38:05,173 --> 00:38:08,853
Speaker 17: had broken out. So the officer, Akipov was his name,

760
00:38:08,933 --> 00:38:12,373
Speaker 17: refused to tune the key because the top three of them,

761
00:38:12,493 --> 00:38:16,853
Speaker 17: thank goodness, to watch the nuclear weapons. And he's was

762
00:38:17,133 --> 00:38:19,173
Speaker 17: credited as the man that saved the world during the

763
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Speaker 17: Cuban Missile crisis. So that's how close it can come.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's the black Swan event that I was

765
00:38:24,733 --> 00:38:26,653
Speaker 2: talking about a little bit earlier, that those are the

766
00:38:27,173 --> 00:38:31,493
Speaker 2: unpredictable events that carry significant impact that right now might

767
00:38:31,573 --> 00:38:34,093
Speaker 2: be hard to predict. But that's the whole point on

768
00:38:34,213 --> 00:38:35,133
Speaker 2: that one event I.

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Speaker 3: Find it's so odd that so many people are texting

770
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Speaker 3: through and saying there's absolutely no chance of it happening.

771
00:38:40,293 --> 00:38:43,173
Speaker 3: We've got very very close before, and so all the

772
00:38:43,253 --> 00:38:45,772
Speaker 3: authors of the study are really saying is well, they're

773
00:38:45,773 --> 00:38:48,973
Speaker 3: asking for a Parliamentary Commissioner for Extreme Risks to look

774
00:38:49,013 --> 00:38:51,413
Speaker 3: into it, and maybe we do a little bit of

775
00:38:51,493 --> 00:38:54,493
Speaker 3: work and prep of how we might react under this

776
00:38:54,613 --> 00:38:57,533
Speaker 3: kind of situation, because you know, for me, one of

777
00:38:57,573 --> 00:38:59,732
Speaker 3: the big things is just all the boats that would

778
00:38:59,733 --> 00:39:02,933
Speaker 3: turn up from navies whose countries had gone down. I

779
00:39:02,973 --> 00:39:04,693
Speaker 3: don't even know if we could protect ourselves from a

780
00:39:04,733 --> 00:39:07,693
Speaker 3: cruise ship that was how it's I don't think so.

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00:39:07,893 --> 00:39:09,813
Speaker 17: I think I think the amount of refugees that all

782
00:39:09,893 --> 00:39:12,493
Speaker 17: rock up here will just completely overwhelm it. Well must

783
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Speaker 17: and swamp us. Yeah, and that's a scary. That's scary.

784
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Speaker 2: Yep, certainly is. Andrew will let you say your sabara

785
00:39:17,973 --> 00:39:20,053
Speaker 2: and go buy some analog pikes. Thank you very much

786
00:39:20,093 --> 00:39:22,453
Speaker 2: for giving us a call. Plenty of texts coming through

787
00:39:22,613 --> 00:39:24,933
Speaker 2: on nine two nine two, but ken to have a

788
00:39:25,053 --> 00:39:27,093
Speaker 2: chat with you. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

789
00:39:27,333 --> 00:39:30,253
Speaker 2: is the number to call, News, sport and weather. Is

790
00:39:30,453 --> 00:39:32,893
Speaker 2: on its way. Really great to get your I have

791
00:39:33,013 --> 00:39:35,413
Speaker 2: your company this afternoon. You're listening to Matt and Tyler.

792
00:39:35,573 --> 00:39:37,093
Speaker 2: Very good afternoon to you.

793
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Speaker 1: Talking with you all afternoon it's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams

794
00:39:48,293 --> 00:39:50,093
Speaker 1: Afternoons US Talks.

795
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Speaker 2: They'd be good afternoon to you. Welcome back into the

796
00:39:54,653 --> 00:39:56,973
Speaker 2: show now, this is going to be a great discussion.

797
00:39:57,253 --> 00:40:00,692
Speaker 2: Orda Fenawa Company Rugby Union chief executive Corey Kennedy says

798
00:40:00,733 --> 00:40:02,533
Speaker 2: he's drawing the line in the sand by cannon or

799
00:40:02,613 --> 00:40:06,773
Speaker 2: rugby matches this weekend after referee was so seriously abused

800
00:40:06,853 --> 00:40:09,333
Speaker 2: he had to be escorted to his car over safety fears.

801
00:40:09,693 --> 00:40:11,333
Speaker 2: We're going to play a little bit of what he

802
00:40:11,693 --> 00:40:15,573
Speaker 2: said to Darcy water Grave last night very shortly. But

803
00:40:15,733 --> 00:40:17,373
Speaker 2: that's what we want to have a chat about, is

804
00:40:17,533 --> 00:40:20,333
Speaker 2: abuse against referees up and down the country. It's got

805
00:40:20,453 --> 00:40:22,493
Speaker 2: so bad in this part of the country and for

806
00:40:22,573 --> 00:40:25,133
Speaker 2: this rugby club that they've said no to any rugby

807
00:40:25,293 --> 00:40:27,933
Speaker 2: this weekend. And they've been banging on about this for

808
00:40:27,973 --> 00:40:30,213
Speaker 2: the last couple of months. It has been quite significant

809
00:40:30,213 --> 00:40:30,933
Speaker 2: in Houta Fenawa.

810
00:40:31,453 --> 00:40:33,853
Speaker 3: Is there more abuse now, because that's the assumption that

811
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Speaker 3: there's more abuse of reefs around the country at the

812
00:40:36,213 --> 00:40:39,133
Speaker 3: moment of So why have you seen ref abuse? Do

813
00:40:39,293 --> 00:40:42,133
Speaker 3: parents need to step up? As you know, if there

814
00:40:42,213 --> 00:40:46,093
Speaker 3: is one parent abusing the ref sure that you know,

815
00:40:46,293 --> 00:40:50,333
Speaker 3: the rugby district can you shut things down? You know,

816
00:40:50,373 --> 00:40:52,573
Speaker 3: the rugby local rugby union can shut things down. But

817
00:40:53,533 --> 00:40:55,973
Speaker 3: are parents stepping up and raining in the people that

818
00:40:56,013 --> 00:40:57,093
Speaker 3: are abusing refs?

819
00:40:57,893 --> 00:40:58,093
Speaker 8: You know?

820
00:40:58,413 --> 00:41:03,093
Speaker 3: And look, should that just be the blanket situation? If

821
00:41:03,133 --> 00:41:07,853
Speaker 3: there is serious abuse and a referee who's volunteering their

822
00:41:07,933 --> 00:41:10,973
Speaker 3: time has to be led to a car or I'm

823
00:41:11,053 --> 00:41:13,653
Speaker 3: not sure what the threshold should be. Any kind of

824
00:41:13,653 --> 00:41:17,573
Speaker 3: threatening behavior might be the threshold. Then that just means

825
00:41:17,693 --> 00:41:20,373
Speaker 3: all the rugby union in that area just shuts down

826
00:41:21,013 --> 00:41:23,333
Speaker 3: all rugby for the next weekend. So it's just a

827
00:41:23,413 --> 00:41:26,373
Speaker 3: blanket sort of for a want of a better word.

828
00:41:26,453 --> 00:41:30,933
Speaker 3: Considering the last hours chat, it's the nuclear solution. Yeah, yeah,

829
00:41:31,173 --> 00:41:34,013
Speaker 3: you shut it all down and then and then there's

830
00:41:34,053 --> 00:41:39,213
Speaker 3: a huge surely social cost or for anyone that behaves

831
00:41:39,293 --> 00:41:41,652
Speaker 3: like that, because you are responsible for the whole next week,

832
00:41:42,133 --> 00:41:44,813
Speaker 3: every game, every junior rugby game, every game of every

833
00:41:44,893 --> 00:41:46,172
Speaker 3: level being shut down the next week.

834
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Speaker 2: But at this point I can't see any other option

835
00:41:48,413 --> 00:41:50,413
Speaker 2: then to having that sort of option, you know the

836
00:41:50,493 --> 00:41:52,373
Speaker 2: scenario where the reff has to make that call, and

837
00:41:52,453 --> 00:41:54,213
Speaker 2: that's tough for the ref to say. The abuse has

838
00:41:54,253 --> 00:41:56,453
Speaker 2: got so bad, I'm blind my whistle and the game

839
00:41:56,693 --> 00:41:58,333
Speaker 2: is all over. But what do you say, Oh, eight

840
00:41:58,453 --> 00:42:00,933
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty, here's a little bit about

841
00:42:01,053 --> 00:42:04,493
Speaker 2: what a finnerwork company. Rugby Union chief executive Corey Kennet

842
00:42:04,533 --> 00:42:06,093
Speaker 2: said to Darcy Watergrave last night.

843
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Speaker 18: The abuse was from multi poor layers. We're talking about

844
00:42:11,733 --> 00:42:17,773
Speaker 18: people that are at games, spectators, players, team team management,

845
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Speaker 18: to the point that at the end of the game,

846
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Speaker 18: the referee, the end of the good individuals, good public individuals.

847
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Speaker 18: We're so concerned about the referee safety that he was

848
00:42:31,373 --> 00:42:35,933
Speaker 18: escorted to his car. This is a nationwide epidemic and

849
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Speaker 18: what we've had since we made our statement is is

850
00:42:39,413 --> 00:42:43,213
Speaker 18: innumerable amount of calls telling us, hey, this is happening

851
00:42:43,253 --> 00:42:46,693
Speaker 18: in our space, This is happening, that is happening. Some

852
00:42:46,933 --> 00:42:48,933
Speaker 18: people that go to the games have just lost their

853
00:42:49,533 --> 00:42:53,493
Speaker 18: their their standards, their respect, their you know, just their

854
00:42:53,573 --> 00:42:57,253
Speaker 18: humanity to what these people are trying to do, these individuals,

855
00:42:57,333 --> 00:43:00,213
Speaker 18: to these volunteers. The time they've given up, you know,

856
00:43:00,333 --> 00:43:02,653
Speaker 18: their service, just genuine service.

857
00:43:03,213 --> 00:43:06,373
Speaker 2: So is he right? He says this is a nationwide problem.

858
00:43:06,413 --> 00:43:08,853
Speaker 2: They've been having a particular problem in in a word,

859
00:43:08,933 --> 00:43:11,292
Speaker 2: but many people who have been down to sports games

860
00:43:11,333 --> 00:43:14,053
Speaker 2: at all levels would have seen the abuse on the sideline.

861
00:43:14,093 --> 00:43:18,533
Speaker 3: Who doesn't know that that's not something you can do.

862
00:43:19,693 --> 00:43:22,573
Speaker 3: Everyone knows that you're an absolute piece of crap if

863
00:43:22,613 --> 00:43:26,172
Speaker 3: you behave like that, absolute piece of crap. I mean,

864
00:43:26,333 --> 00:43:28,093
Speaker 3: what are there just a bunch of messed up people

865
00:43:28,173 --> 00:43:30,533
Speaker 3: turning up that are forgetting where they are, You're drunk,

866
00:43:30,693 --> 00:43:35,173
Speaker 3: you're on p What is it? Because surely every parent

867
00:43:35,413 --> 00:43:39,133
Speaker 3: and every coach knows that that for sport in New

868
00:43:39,213 --> 00:43:43,413
Speaker 3: Zealand to continue at the lower levels, grassroots levels, it

869
00:43:43,573 --> 00:43:45,373
Speaker 3: needs refs that volunteer to do it.

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Speaker 2: Where do you draw the line though, because there'd be

871
00:43:47,173 --> 00:43:49,653
Speaker 2: a lot of people on the sideline's parents, passionate pearance

872
00:43:49,693 --> 00:43:52,613
Speaker 2: and they might scream out, oh, come on, ref and

873
00:43:52,733 --> 00:43:55,653
Speaker 2: whether you're don't see that as abuse or not, but

874
00:43:55,813 --> 00:43:58,453
Speaker 2: then it starts to escalate, right and as you say,

875
00:43:58,493 --> 00:44:00,413
Speaker 2: the people on the sidelines who may be having a

876
00:44:00,453 --> 00:44:03,213
Speaker 2: few beers. I've certainly seen that down it's sports fields

877
00:44:03,213 --> 00:44:04,733
Speaker 2: where they do have a few beers and they get

878
00:44:04,773 --> 00:44:06,853
Speaker 2: in a bit rowdy, and that's when you starts to

879
00:44:06,973 --> 00:44:07,333
Speaker 2: rack up.

880
00:44:07,493 --> 00:44:09,293
Speaker 3: Nothing wrong with heavy a few beers, what you watch

881
00:44:09,373 --> 00:44:11,373
Speaker 3: the game. I'm not against that as long as you

882
00:44:11,453 --> 00:44:14,773
Speaker 3: don't then go crazy. But you know, anacdontally I've heard

883
00:44:14,813 --> 00:44:17,853
Speaker 3: there is there has been a few. There's some meth

884
00:44:17,893 --> 00:44:20,133
Speaker 3: issues going around in some of the more rural areas

885
00:44:20,173 --> 00:44:22,413
Speaker 3: when it comes to this kind of thing, or just

886
00:44:22,533 --> 00:44:24,973
Speaker 3: to throw the other side of this out, have people

887
00:44:25,093 --> 00:44:27,373
Speaker 3: just got too precious? And if it doesn't get physical,

888
00:44:27,453 --> 00:44:30,493
Speaker 3: does it really matter? Is it just words? And who cares?

889
00:44:30,533 --> 00:44:32,093
Speaker 3: As long as you know, as long as as long

890
00:44:32,173 --> 00:44:35,252
Speaker 3: as you know. Is there a line where it's okay

891
00:44:35,453 --> 00:44:38,093
Speaker 3: to yell your opinion at the reef if you think

892
00:44:38,173 --> 00:44:41,133
Speaker 3: that they're wrong or is it just no you just

893
00:44:41,253 --> 00:44:45,493
Speaker 3: accept what the ref says you You just you don't

894
00:44:45,533 --> 00:44:49,853
Speaker 3: even give any feedback, you know? Is that the line?

895
00:44:50,053 --> 00:44:52,493
Speaker 3: Or is the line a bit of yelling but no intimidation?

896
00:44:53,253 --> 00:44:55,453
Speaker 2: Yeah? Really keen on your views on oh, eight hundred

897
00:44:55,573 --> 00:44:58,493
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty. What are you seeing down outside the

898
00:44:58,533 --> 00:45:00,573
Speaker 2: sports fields when it comes to yelling at the reef

899
00:45:00,653 --> 00:45:03,652
Speaker 2: and where is the line between giving some what might

900
00:45:03,733 --> 00:45:07,413
Speaker 2: be considered somewhat polite feedback versus no noise at all. Oh,

901
00:45:07,453 --> 00:45:09,733
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten is the number to call.

902
00:45:09,773 --> 00:45:10,973
Speaker 2: It is twelve past two.

903
00:45:14,373 --> 00:45:18,853
Speaker 1: Wow your home of afternoon talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams

904
00:45:19,013 --> 00:45:22,933
Speaker 1: Afternoons call eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk said, be.

905
00:45:25,333 --> 00:45:27,693
Speaker 2: It is a quarter past two, and we're talking about abuse,

906
00:45:27,933 --> 00:45:32,013
Speaker 2: abuse directed towards referees on the sports fields. Quarterfenewa company

907
00:45:32,093 --> 00:45:35,693
Speaker 2: rugby union, has decided to can all rugby matches this

908
00:45:35,813 --> 00:45:39,053
Speaker 2: weekend after a referee was so seriously abused they say

909
00:45:39,253 --> 00:45:41,613
Speaker 2: he had to be escorted to his car over safety fare.

910
00:45:41,693 --> 00:45:44,253
Speaker 2: So keen to get your experiences on the football fields.

911
00:45:44,333 --> 00:45:46,253
Speaker 3: I just said to Tyler in the break. It's interesting

912
00:45:46,333 --> 00:45:49,533
Speaker 3: because of cross most of society, people seem to be

913
00:45:50,173 --> 00:45:53,813
Speaker 3: getting more and more polite and more easily offended. Like

914
00:45:53,933 --> 00:45:56,933
Speaker 3: I couldn't just scream and abuse you, Tyler if you

915
00:45:56,973 --> 00:45:59,573
Speaker 3: did something wrong that I disagreed without that you going

916
00:45:59,613 --> 00:46:03,933
Speaker 3: to HR. Yeah. So in one area of the world,

917
00:46:04,013 --> 00:46:07,253
Speaker 3: the office and on site, people seem to be becoming

918
00:46:07,293 --> 00:46:09,453
Speaker 3: more chill. Yes, but it would appear that on the

919
00:46:09,533 --> 00:46:13,453
Speaker 3: sidelines of rugby and league games. People are getting more

920
00:46:13,533 --> 00:46:16,453
Speaker 3: and more agros. It's interesting the six is fellow hasn't

921
00:46:16,533 --> 00:46:19,373
Speaker 3: fellows hasn't p used increased significantly in the last year.

922
00:46:19,653 --> 00:46:22,053
Speaker 3: That might alone explain increased verbal abuse.

923
00:46:22,613 --> 00:46:25,653
Speaker 2: Yeah, good point, Matts. How are you this afternoon?

924
00:46:26,773 --> 00:46:32,053
Speaker 13: Yeah, good mate, not too bad. So firstly, I've sort

925
00:46:32,053 --> 00:46:36,213
Speaker 13: of refereed all grades except for Super Rugby upwards and

926
00:46:36,973 --> 00:46:39,773
Speaker 13: done it for a number of years now, and I

927
00:46:39,893 --> 00:46:44,373
Speaker 13: accept the level of magoosa. I would accept is basically

928
00:46:44,533 --> 00:46:46,933
Speaker 13: if they oh, come on, rare, if that's a sort

929
00:46:46,973 --> 00:46:49,613
Speaker 13: of stuff that was where's it's holding lines that sort

930
00:46:49,613 --> 00:46:52,813
Speaker 13: of stuff. But it's once it gets personal or starts

931
00:46:52,893 --> 00:46:57,212
Speaker 13: to get threatening as we draw the line. And I've

932
00:46:57,333 --> 00:46:59,373
Speaker 13: noticed in the last three or four years that's where

933
00:46:59,413 --> 00:47:01,813
Speaker 13: it's sort of going to now. But last year I

934
00:47:01,893 --> 00:47:04,172
Speaker 13: had one that was extremely bad where if I ordered

935
00:47:04,253 --> 00:47:08,573
Speaker 13: to try the team that got scored against two has

936
00:47:08,613 --> 00:47:11,613
Speaker 13: come over threatening to kill me, trying to charge me,

937
00:47:11,693 --> 00:47:13,933
Speaker 13: and they were getting tackled by their own teammates, and

938
00:47:14,133 --> 00:47:17,252
Speaker 13: their wives came on trying to stop them and trying

939
00:47:17,293 --> 00:47:19,613
Speaker 13: to get to me. And there's a couple of people

940
00:47:19,693 --> 00:47:24,533
Speaker 13: on the sideline there got my fatality. They're going to

941
00:47:24,573 --> 00:47:28,773
Speaker 13: put it on Facebook and they'll get me eventually, and

942
00:47:29,933 --> 00:47:32,333
Speaker 13: so I called the game off. I got esquartered off

943
00:47:32,373 --> 00:47:37,333
Speaker 13: the field and as I didn't even really get changed

944
00:47:37,333 --> 00:47:39,252
Speaker 13: to hop from my motorbike and we began, they pushed

945
00:47:39,293 --> 00:47:42,013
Speaker 13: me off my motorbike and try to follow me on

946
00:47:42,133 --> 00:47:48,893
Speaker 13: the road. So it went to judiciary and the union

947
00:47:49,013 --> 00:47:52,733
Speaker 13: involved didn't even turn up at the judiciary to support me.

948
00:47:53,613 --> 00:47:56,652
Speaker 13: And the guy had he had been carried pretty much

949
00:47:56,693 --> 00:48:00,093
Speaker 13: every year, got red card for violence and punching and

950
00:48:00,213 --> 00:48:04,013
Speaker 13: stuff like that. He got three weeks for that. So

951
00:48:04,173 --> 00:48:08,293
Speaker 13: as a consequence, I had no longer referee and pretty

952
00:48:08,453 --> 00:48:11,692
Speaker 13: much don't even follow rugby. Exit for my own boy,

953
00:48:12,573 --> 00:48:14,813
Speaker 13: I'll go and watch this game, but other than never,

954
00:48:14,893 --> 00:48:15,853
Speaker 13: don't even watch rugby.

955
00:48:15,893 --> 00:48:21,893
Speaker 3: Now that must feel That would make me extremely angry, Matt,

956
00:48:21,973 --> 00:48:24,813
Speaker 3: because you're doing something because you love the game. You're

957
00:48:24,813 --> 00:48:27,373
Speaker 3: giving back to the community, You're putting yourself out there.

958
00:48:27,413 --> 00:48:30,133
Speaker 3: You don't need to be there, You're putting yourself out there,

959
00:48:30,253 --> 00:48:33,253
Speaker 3: and that's the way you get treated, even if the

960
00:48:33,333 --> 00:48:37,933
Speaker 3: decision is wrong. You know you're doing your very best.

961
00:48:38,133 --> 00:48:40,733
Speaker 3: It seems absolutely insane that was only three week ban.

962
00:48:42,053 --> 00:48:44,373
Speaker 13: And the worst thing was it was caught on camera,

963
00:48:45,213 --> 00:48:47,493
Speaker 13: the whole because someone videod the whole game, so the

964
00:48:47,533 --> 00:48:49,853
Speaker 13: whole thing was caught on camera and sent to the union.

965
00:48:51,853 --> 00:48:56,733
Speaker 13: And yes, and abuse didn't just stop there, even in

966
00:48:56,813 --> 00:49:01,013
Speaker 13: the even in the judicial hearing. I was copying them

967
00:49:01,093 --> 00:49:05,493
Speaker 13: there from from the player and his club captain.

968
00:49:05,733 --> 00:49:06,693
Speaker 3: What a mum.

969
00:49:09,973 --> 00:49:10,692
Speaker 8: And all that sort of thing.

970
00:49:10,813 --> 00:49:15,933
Speaker 3: What an absolute loser that player is, What an absolute loser?

971
00:49:16,093 --> 00:49:18,373
Speaker 3: That just makes that makes me angry. What what level

972
00:49:18,493 --> 00:49:22,652
Speaker 3: was this at, Matt? This was senior level, senior level.

973
00:49:23,213 --> 00:49:25,453
Speaker 2: The wrong person left the game of rugby, Matt, We're

974
00:49:25,453 --> 00:49:26,773
Speaker 2: going to say, and we can all see that. But

975
00:49:26,893 --> 00:49:30,093
Speaker 2: the fact that the local association didn't turn up so

976
00:49:30,213 --> 00:49:34,093
Speaker 2: effectively is that part of the problem that sometimes these

977
00:49:34,133 --> 00:49:39,533
Speaker 2: associations are protecting these players when they've been absolute dirt baggs.

978
00:49:40,693 --> 00:49:44,573
Speaker 13: Yes, I think so. And that was the threat. Thereat

979
00:49:44,653 --> 00:49:48,053
Speaker 13: threat was one thing, but not getting a support from

980
00:49:48,093 --> 00:49:51,093
Speaker 13: my union and my fears was the worst part of it,

981
00:49:52,293 --> 00:49:57,013
Speaker 13: and which has made made my decision to quit. That

982
00:49:57,333 --> 00:50:01,253
Speaker 13: was the worst, the worst part of it. And because

983
00:50:01,253 --> 00:50:02,693
Speaker 13: at the start of the year they said they're going

984
00:50:02,733 --> 00:50:06,293
Speaker 13: to stemp down on sideline abuse and get rid of it.

985
00:50:08,453 --> 00:50:12,013
Speaker 13: And then that happened, and it was like it wasn't

986
00:50:12,053 --> 00:50:15,373
Speaker 13: the first occasion during the year that someone had been threatened,

987
00:50:16,173 --> 00:50:20,173
Speaker 13: and very similar circumstances are not quite as bad, but

988
00:50:20,733 --> 00:50:26,212
Speaker 13: nothing happened there. But yeah, and I do find two

989
00:50:26,413 --> 00:50:31,333
Speaker 13: also parents on the sideline at kids games probably amongst

990
00:50:31,373 --> 00:50:38,692
Speaker 13: the worst of the abuses towards referees. And I sort

991
00:50:38,733 --> 00:50:40,453
Speaker 13: of think we might need to go to where some

992
00:50:40,613 --> 00:50:43,172
Speaker 13: side basketball goes is where you're only allowed to clap,

993
00:50:43,933 --> 00:50:46,373
Speaker 13: you're not allowed to yell out because the kids are

994
00:50:46,413 --> 00:50:49,213
Speaker 13: trying to play a game. And you'll notice that if

995
00:50:49,453 --> 00:50:53,172
Speaker 13: the parents start yelling out, the kids start getting out

996
00:50:53,213 --> 00:50:55,652
Speaker 13: of control, and then it's harder for the referee there too.

997
00:50:55,893 --> 00:50:59,533
Speaker 3: But you're absolutely rubbish parent. I mean, part of the

998
00:50:59,573 --> 00:51:01,973
Speaker 3: reason why your kids are playing sport is to teach

999
00:51:02,053 --> 00:51:04,652
Speaker 3: them sportsmanship and teach them how to behave. I mean

1000
00:51:04,813 --> 00:51:08,853
Speaker 3: that's a big part of it, you know, teamwork and

1001
00:51:08,973 --> 00:51:11,732
Speaker 3: how you behave in the wild, society, fairness, all those

1002
00:51:11,853 --> 00:51:13,253
Speaker 3: kind of things. So if you're a parent and you're

1003
00:51:13,253 --> 00:51:15,133
Speaker 3: taking your kid along and you're acting like a complete

1004
00:51:15,173 --> 00:51:17,933
Speaker 3: dickhead like that, then you're just a rubbish parent.

1005
00:51:18,973 --> 00:51:21,093
Speaker 13: Yeah, well, yeah, that's right, and then taking the wins

1006
00:51:21,133 --> 00:51:24,773
Speaker 13: with the losses and also taking you know, like, yeah,

1007
00:51:25,493 --> 00:51:28,252
Speaker 13: from a referees point of view, you're out there, there's

1008
00:51:28,293 --> 00:51:30,813
Speaker 13: one person out there. If you haven't got as, you're

1009
00:51:30,853 --> 00:51:33,293
Speaker 13: out there by yourself. You've got thirty players on the field,

1010
00:51:33,733 --> 00:51:35,613
Speaker 13: and it just takes one person to run in front

1011
00:51:35,653 --> 00:51:36,653
Speaker 13: of you and you've missed a knock on.

1012
00:51:37,053 --> 00:51:38,413
Speaker 3: Yeah. And do you think do you think that might

1013
00:51:38,453 --> 00:51:41,133
Speaker 3: be part of it, Matt, that people watch sport at

1014
00:51:41,173 --> 00:51:44,693
Speaker 3: home and there's so much video officiating going on, and

1015
00:51:45,013 --> 00:51:47,173
Speaker 3: we go right down to the minutie that you that

1016
00:51:47,293 --> 00:51:50,693
Speaker 3: people think that that refs are able to get the

1017
00:51:50,813 --> 00:51:53,053
Speaker 3: exact answer. Do you think that might be part of

1018
00:51:53,093 --> 00:51:55,973
Speaker 3: it that people are bringing this this sort of unrealistic

1019
00:51:56,613 --> 00:51:59,013
Speaker 3: expectation on what a ref can do to the game.

1020
00:52:00,373 --> 00:52:03,293
Speaker 19: Yeah, absolutely they do. Here there because they see them

1021
00:52:03,373 --> 00:52:04,333
Speaker 19: going up to the TV.

1022
00:52:04,453 --> 00:52:06,772
Speaker 13: They see the TV official.

1023
00:52:06,493 --> 00:52:09,853
Speaker 19: Coming in and saying, no, this foil play behind We're

1024
00:52:10,813 --> 00:52:13,773
Speaker 19: in a club game. You may have referre as if

1025
00:52:13,773 --> 00:52:16,772
Speaker 19: you're lucky, but most often you don't and you can't

1026
00:52:16,773 --> 00:52:21,253
Speaker 19: see what's behind you. And also when they watch it,

1027
00:52:21,373 --> 00:52:26,373
Speaker 19: on TV too. Now, Unfortunately there's more and more.

1028
00:52:26,533 --> 00:52:27,893
Speaker 13: They want the game to flow for.

1029
00:52:28,013 --> 00:52:31,493
Speaker 19: TV audience, so there is stuff that is not picked

1030
00:52:31,573 --> 00:52:34,493
Speaker 19: up purposely so that the game can flow, and they're

1031
00:52:34,493 --> 00:52:35,652
Speaker 19: not blowing the whistle too often.

1032
00:52:36,973 --> 00:52:39,893
Speaker 3: Now, Matt as haven't been involved in TV games.

1033
00:52:39,933 --> 00:52:42,013
Speaker 13: I know that's a fact because we told that before

1034
00:52:42,013 --> 00:52:42,652
Speaker 13: we go out there.

1035
00:52:42,893 --> 00:52:45,333
Speaker 3: Now, Matt as a referee that's left the game because

1036
00:52:45,373 --> 00:52:48,253
Speaker 3: of this. Do you think that what Hirafenawa Capiti Rugby

1037
00:52:48,373 --> 00:52:51,853
Speaker 3: Unions has done canceling all matches on June twenty eighth

1038
00:52:51,933 --> 00:52:53,733
Speaker 3: due to the serious referee abuse? Do you do you

1039
00:52:53,813 --> 00:52:56,013
Speaker 3: support that? And do you think that that is the

1040
00:52:56,173 --> 00:52:58,293
Speaker 3: kind of thing that might stamp out this kind of behavior.

1041
00:53:00,413 --> 00:53:04,853
Speaker 13: I see what they're doing, but it's sort of you're

1042
00:53:04,933 --> 00:53:09,493
Speaker 13: punishing the majority for the minority. I would have been

1043
00:53:09,573 --> 00:53:12,453
Speaker 13: more inclined to think that the two teams involved, or

1044
00:53:12,653 --> 00:53:15,652
Speaker 13: if it was just one team involved, take them out

1045
00:53:15,653 --> 00:53:17,893
Speaker 13: of the competition for the season all of their teams.

1046
00:53:18,973 --> 00:53:21,533
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for your call, Matt and those insights.

1047
00:53:21,613 --> 00:53:22,652
Speaker 3: It makes my blood boil.

1048
00:53:22,773 --> 00:53:25,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does make you anger. Hearing Matt's story and

1049
00:53:25,133 --> 00:53:27,732
Speaker 2: the fact that he can't even watch rugby anymore because

1050
00:53:27,733 --> 00:53:29,733
Speaker 2: of how he is treated. Oh eight hundred eighty ten

1051
00:53:29,773 --> 00:53:32,053
Speaker 2: eighty is the number to call if you were reffing

1052
00:53:32,173 --> 00:53:34,772
Speaker 2: sports games? Did you have to leave as well because

1053
00:53:34,813 --> 00:53:36,973
Speaker 2: of the abuse that you've faced. Really keen to get

1054
00:53:37,013 --> 00:53:38,853
Speaker 2: your views. And if you're appearing on the sideline and

1055
00:53:38,933 --> 00:53:41,693
Speaker 2: you see some other idiot pear at screaming abuse, what

1056
00:53:41,813 --> 00:53:42,173
Speaker 2: do you do?

1057
00:53:42,533 --> 00:53:44,333
Speaker 3: Or if you're appearing on the sideline and you think

1058
00:53:44,413 --> 00:53:46,293
Speaker 3: it's a good idea to be screaming abuse at the

1059
00:53:46,413 --> 00:53:49,013
Speaker 3: reef yep, then I'd be interested to hear from you.

1060
00:53:49,213 --> 00:53:50,813
Speaker 2: Come on in I eight one hundred eighty ten eighty

1061
00:53:50,853 --> 00:53:52,493
Speaker 2: is the number to call twenty three past.

1062
00:53:52,333 --> 00:53:59,893
Speaker 1: Two Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred

1063
00:53:59,973 --> 00:54:02,253
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on News Talk zby.

1064
00:54:02,293 --> 00:54:05,813
Speaker 2: Twenty six past two, and we're talking about referee abuse.

1065
00:54:05,893 --> 00:54:08,732
Speaker 2: This is on the back of horror Fenoa carpety rug union.

1066
00:54:08,773 --> 00:54:12,213
Speaker 2: I've canceled all rugby games this weekend after a referee

1067
00:54:12,333 --> 00:54:14,573
Speaker 2: was so seriously abused They say he had to be

1068
00:54:14,693 --> 00:54:17,613
Speaker 2: escorted to his car over safety fears. Really keen to

1069
00:54:17,733 --> 00:54:20,533
Speaker 2: hear your experiences on the sidelines. What are you seeing

1070
00:54:20,613 --> 00:54:23,373
Speaker 2: if you have been a referee, is the abuse getting worse?

1071
00:54:23,533 --> 00:54:23,613
Speaker 10: Oh?

1072
00:54:23,653 --> 00:54:25,173
Speaker 2: Eight hundred and eighty ten eighties the number to.

1073
00:54:25,213 --> 00:54:28,053
Speaker 3: Call Kate, Welcome to the show. You've been a ref

1074
00:54:28,173 --> 00:54:28,772
Speaker 3: for thirty years?

1075
00:54:29,813 --> 00:54:33,813
Speaker 8: Yes, yes, I have referee football women and men's and

1076
00:54:34,173 --> 00:54:36,533
Speaker 8: I don't believe it's got worse. I think it's always

1077
00:54:36,573 --> 00:54:40,093
Speaker 8: been there and what horror for ir have done. I

1078
00:54:40,293 --> 00:54:43,933
Speaker 8: frutly agree with people really really need to know that

1079
00:54:44,333 --> 00:54:47,013
Speaker 8: you have You've got to have a referee. You've got

1080
00:54:47,093 --> 00:54:49,373
Speaker 8: to have a referee because if you think it's bad

1081
00:54:49,573 --> 00:54:53,733
Speaker 8: they're tracking one individual because of decisions, try playing again

1082
00:54:54,093 --> 00:54:55,653
Speaker 8: without one exactly.

1083
00:54:56,693 --> 00:55:00,453
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you think that so that's your referee football?

1084
00:55:01,093 --> 00:55:05,613
Speaker 3: Do you think football fans and players or football parents

1085
00:55:05,693 --> 00:55:12,493
Speaker 3: and supporters he's better than the rugby or league? No,

1086
00:55:13,933 --> 00:55:14,293
Speaker 3: you don't know.

1087
00:55:14,413 --> 00:55:16,453
Speaker 8: I think they're I think they're all the stay right

1088
00:55:17,133 --> 00:55:17,493
Speaker 8: because I.

1089
00:55:17,493 --> 00:55:19,893
Speaker 3: Mean there's I mean there's less of a physical element

1090
00:55:20,013 --> 00:55:22,493
Speaker 3: to it, though you don't think that. Maybe people, I

1091
00:55:22,693 --> 00:55:26,293
Speaker 3: know more get up by the fact people are smashing

1092
00:55:26,333 --> 00:55:29,653
Speaker 3: people on field, that that that creates a more aggressive atmosphere.

1093
00:55:33,133 --> 00:55:35,453
Speaker 8: I've got friends who are rugby referees and you know,

1094
00:55:36,173 --> 00:55:39,213
Speaker 8: talked to them and you know I don't believe so

1095
00:55:40,413 --> 00:55:45,733
Speaker 8: obviously everybody's experience is different. Yeah, you know my experiences.

1096
00:55:45,973 --> 00:55:48,893
Speaker 8: You know, I've been threatened. I had a guy help

1097
00:55:48,973 --> 00:55:51,493
Speaker 8: me down with just you know, a few inches from

1098
00:55:51,533 --> 00:55:54,133
Speaker 8: my face and I said, I looked up at him

1099
00:55:54,293 --> 00:55:55,812
Speaker 8: and I said, you'll never play again.

1100
00:55:57,013 --> 00:55:57,893
Speaker 2: And what did he say to that?

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00:55:59,373 --> 00:56:01,613
Speaker 8: Well, I sent him off. I didn't care what he said.

1102
00:56:01,773 --> 00:56:03,013
Speaker 2: Did he play again? I hope not.

1103
00:56:04,173 --> 00:56:04,373
Speaker 12: Well.

1104
00:56:04,573 --> 00:56:08,093
Speaker 8: I think he was stayed for a while. He didn't

1105
00:56:08,093 --> 00:56:11,373
Speaker 8: actual physically hit me. But I told you what. There

1106
00:56:11,453 --> 00:56:15,053
Speaker 8: have been occasions since football where referee has been struck

1107
00:56:15,493 --> 00:56:17,252
Speaker 8: and they have been banned for life.

1108
00:56:17,293 --> 00:56:18,373
Speaker 16: Whoever did it good?

1109
00:56:18,693 --> 00:56:21,293
Speaker 2: But clearly an incident like that, Kate, that is not

1110
00:56:21,493 --> 00:56:24,253
Speaker 2: okay at any level. And the very fact that that

1111
00:56:24,413 --> 00:56:27,053
Speaker 2: can happen to someone like you, refereeing, going out of

1112
00:56:27,093 --> 00:56:29,573
Speaker 2: your way, volunteering for something that you love, and you're

1113
00:56:29,613 --> 00:56:32,773
Speaker 2: still doing it thirty years later, that to me is

1114
00:56:32,853 --> 00:56:33,893
Speaker 2: insentive anymore.

1115
00:56:34,333 --> 00:56:36,253
Speaker 8: I'm seventy five now I'm not doing it anymore.

1116
00:56:36,973 --> 00:56:40,933
Speaker 2: Well, yes, yes, sound forty cages, sound very chipper, But

1117
00:56:41,293 --> 00:56:43,773
Speaker 2: thank you. But you know, just just hearing you speaking

1118
00:56:43,853 --> 00:56:46,413
Speaker 2: and say, that's just the way it is and take

1119
00:56:46,453 --> 00:56:48,293
Speaker 2: my head off to you for the what you've given

1120
00:56:48,333 --> 00:56:50,413
Speaker 2: to your community. But it shouldn't be that's the way

1121
00:56:50,453 --> 00:56:50,653
Speaker 2: it is.

1122
00:56:51,613 --> 00:56:54,133
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's it. What does it take does it take

1123
00:56:54,213 --> 00:56:58,813
Speaker 8: for every sporting code have to shut down for a

1124
00:56:58,893 --> 00:57:00,893
Speaker 8: whole week so no one can play?

1125
00:57:02,813 --> 00:57:02,853
Speaker 7: What?

1126
00:57:03,133 --> 00:57:03,293
Speaker 14: You know?

1127
00:57:03,573 --> 00:57:05,093
Speaker 8: Would that bring it tone? Would it?

1128
00:57:05,413 --> 00:57:05,613
Speaker 1: Well?

1129
00:57:05,853 --> 00:57:09,013
Speaker 2: I agree with what Cordefenawa has done here by canceling

1130
00:57:09,133 --> 00:57:11,293
Speaker 2: or rugby. Whether that will make a stick a difference,

1131
00:57:11,373 --> 00:57:14,413
Speaker 2: that's a different question that that abuse may still happen

1132
00:57:14,453 --> 00:57:16,893
Speaker 2: out in the community. But what else do you do, Kate,

1133
00:57:17,013 --> 00:57:19,213
Speaker 2: to say this is not acceptable anymore?

1134
00:57:20,253 --> 00:57:20,413
Speaker 20: You know?

1135
00:57:20,533 --> 00:57:23,093
Speaker 2: Do we do you stop games in the middle and

1136
00:57:23,213 --> 00:57:25,933
Speaker 2: say it's all over? Or do you cancel the whole weekend?

1137
00:57:27,253 --> 00:57:30,373
Speaker 8: I've done that. One player spat in my ear, jeez.

1138
00:57:32,253 --> 00:57:34,333
Speaker 3: And what was the response was that a male or

1139
00:57:34,373 --> 00:57:35,733
Speaker 3: female player? Kate?

1140
00:57:35,973 --> 00:57:37,253
Speaker 8: That was a male player?

1141
00:57:37,373 --> 00:57:41,773
Speaker 3: What kind of male player spits in a female referees ear?

1142
00:57:42,133 --> 00:57:42,853
Speaker 3: I mean, or anyone?

1143
00:57:43,253 --> 00:57:43,413
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1144
00:57:44,133 --> 00:57:44,613
Speaker 3: Did you that?

1145
00:57:45,413 --> 00:57:49,213
Speaker 8: That was the indoor and the management stopped the whole

1146
00:57:49,333 --> 00:57:52,653
Speaker 8: cop everybody and he said to them, you need to

1147
00:57:52,773 --> 00:57:55,893
Speaker 8: understand that I can get players every day of the week.

1148
00:57:56,293 --> 00:57:57,613
Speaker 8: I can't get referees.

1149
00:57:57,813 --> 00:58:01,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it is with this the way they're doing it,

1150
00:58:01,333 --> 00:58:04,373
Speaker 3: with the horror Fenua compedy rugby union. It is a

1151
00:58:04,413 --> 00:58:07,093
Speaker 3: bit like I know this is probably an extreme example,

1152
00:58:07,213 --> 00:58:09,373
Speaker 3: but you know the pun of in the village because

1153
00:58:09,493 --> 00:58:12,573
Speaker 3: some rebels have blown up a bridge, you know, you

1154
00:58:12,653 --> 00:58:14,573
Speaker 3: know in a military situation where you go in and

1155
00:58:14,653 --> 00:58:16,813
Speaker 3: you just line up everyone against the wall and shoot them.

1156
00:58:17,453 --> 00:58:20,493
Speaker 3: Because there's this, I mean across this this rugby union.

1157
00:58:20,533 --> 00:58:23,453
Speaker 3: There's a whole lot of people have absolutely nothing to

1158
00:58:23,493 --> 00:58:27,213
Speaker 3: do with it, and you're going, okay, but I'm well behaved.

1159
00:58:27,253 --> 00:58:29,493
Speaker 3: Why am I getting punished? Because this is absolute loser

1160
00:58:29,533 --> 00:58:30,173
Speaker 3: at this other game?

1161
00:58:31,133 --> 00:58:34,133
Speaker 8: But if you compare rugby referees and football, if you

1162
00:58:34,253 --> 00:58:39,093
Speaker 8: watch football, the referee is often surrounded by players. They

1163
00:58:39,173 --> 00:58:41,933
Speaker 8: don't do that in rugby. So I think as a

1164
00:58:42,053 --> 00:58:45,853
Speaker 8: general rule of thumb, and I know people have played

1165
00:58:45,933 --> 00:58:48,333
Speaker 8: the game and they say, you just don't speak to

1166
00:58:48,413 --> 00:58:53,733
Speaker 8: the referee. And football, you know they still surround the

1167
00:58:53,813 --> 00:58:55,773
Speaker 8: referee and give them their opinion.

1168
00:58:56,813 --> 00:58:59,093
Speaker 3: How many how many times is how many times as

1169
00:58:59,693 --> 00:59:02,733
Speaker 3: a decision being overturned you run up scream in the

1170
00:59:02,773 --> 00:59:05,613
Speaker 3: referee space and he goes, oh yeah, okay, it's not

1171
00:59:05,653 --> 00:59:08,813
Speaker 3: a penalty, we'll reverse it, discuss.

1172
00:59:09,853 --> 00:59:12,013
Speaker 8: No no, no, no, that doesn't happen. They just run

1173
00:59:12,093 --> 00:59:12,973
Speaker 8: away with their head down.

1174
00:59:14,333 --> 00:59:17,853
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly. But kay, I suppose that one of

1175
00:59:17,893 --> 00:59:20,933
Speaker 2: the reasons why I like what Horde Fenawa has done

1176
00:59:21,133 --> 00:59:24,253
Speaker 2: is because for people that have done no wrong and

1177
00:59:24,333 --> 00:59:26,333
Speaker 2: they don't get to play footy at the weekend. Now

1178
00:59:27,053 --> 00:59:30,973
Speaker 2: there hopefully their anger and discuss is directed towards the

1179
00:59:31,053 --> 00:59:33,893
Speaker 2: people that did this on this particular game, that abuse

1180
00:59:33,973 --> 00:59:36,413
Speaker 2: the ref to this level. So then as a community,

1181
00:59:36,493 --> 00:59:38,653
Speaker 2: as a rugby community in that part of the country,

1182
00:59:38,973 --> 00:59:41,813
Speaker 2: you wre all together as one to say I'm sick

1183
00:59:41,853 --> 00:59:45,613
Speaker 2: of these numdies who are threatening referees and they've stopped

1184
00:59:45,613 --> 00:59:48,653
Speaker 2: the whole week in rugby for everybody. So let's actually

1185
00:59:48,693 --> 00:59:50,493
Speaker 2: as a community come down on these numties.

1186
00:59:51,533 --> 00:59:56,053
Speaker 8: But it has to come from the top. It's not gone.

1187
00:59:56,213 --> 00:59:59,853
Speaker 8: But the community can't do it, it's too fragmented. It

1188
00:59:59,973 --> 01:00:02,293
Speaker 8: has to come from the top. So what Hurap and

1189
01:00:02,293 --> 01:00:05,453
Speaker 8: who are doing will bring it home loud and clear.

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01:00:06,013 --> 01:00:08,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, But when you say coming from the top, when

1191
01:00:08,173 --> 01:00:09,893
Speaker 3: it can so this situation, shouldn't it come from New

1192
01:00:09,933 --> 01:00:12,293
Speaker 3: Zealand Rugby that there's a break blanket roll across the

1193
01:00:12,493 --> 01:00:17,293
Speaker 3: entire country. And look what about this? What about I mean,

1194
01:00:17,493 --> 01:00:21,853
Speaker 3: you know, budgets are stretch, you know, but but does

1195
01:00:21,893 --> 01:00:23,773
Speaker 3: it need to get to the situation where there's security.

1196
01:00:23,773 --> 01:00:27,373
Speaker 3: There's security people there to protect the ref. If that's

1197
01:00:27,413 --> 01:00:29,053
Speaker 3: the case, then there just won't happen because you're not

1198
01:00:29,093 --> 01:00:31,173
Speaker 3: paying the ref. Odd when you're not paying the ref

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01:00:31,253 --> 01:00:33,213
Speaker 3: but you're paying the ref security, it would never work.

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01:00:33,333 --> 01:00:36,373
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's right. But I mean it is a really

1201
01:00:36,453 --> 01:00:40,733
Speaker 8: sticky situation. And I think, I know, I wish it

1202
01:00:40,813 --> 01:00:43,173
Speaker 8: was different, but I think it will all go on forever.

1203
01:00:43,333 --> 01:00:44,613
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks to you call Kate.

1204
01:00:44,693 --> 01:00:48,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, very interesting. Give reefs tases, Yeah, that would go

1205
01:00:48,413 --> 01:00:50,373
Speaker 2: a long way. Actually, oh eight one hundred and eighty

1206
01:00:50,413 --> 01:00:52,173
Speaker 2: ten eighties the number to call love to hear your

1207
01:00:52,213 --> 01:00:56,013
Speaker 2: experiences as a reef or as appearent on the sidelines

1208
01:00:56,013 --> 01:00:58,173
Speaker 2: of sport fields up and down the country. It is

1209
01:00:58,413 --> 01:01:00,133
Speaker 2: twenty seven to three.

1210
01:01:02,973 --> 01:01:03,493
Speaker 3: US talks.

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Speaker 15: There'd be headlines with blue bubble taxis. It's no trouble

1212
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Speaker 15: with a blue bubble. The House is adjourning early today

1213
01:01:10,653 --> 01:01:14,413
Speaker 15: after holding a special session where MPs are marking the

1214
01:01:14,533 --> 01:01:18,493
Speaker 15: death of the pat Maris Tokutai tash Camp overnight and

1215
01:01:18,613 --> 01:01:22,493
Speaker 15: flags will fly half masted at Parliament for coming days,

1216
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Speaker 15: a prediction it could take ten years for housing to

1217
01:01:26,373 --> 01:01:31,253
Speaker 15: intensify around Auckland's new CRL train stations, despite the government

1218
01:01:31,373 --> 01:01:35,333
Speaker 15: requiring apartments as high as ten or fifteen stories close

1219
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Speaker 15: to terminals. One person's in custody and christ Church after

1220
01:01:39,693 --> 01:01:42,173
Speaker 15: an armed police stand off that lasted more than four

1221
01:01:42,293 --> 01:01:46,613
Speaker 15: hours on Saint Martin's Wilson's Road, demands due and court

1222
01:01:46,693 --> 01:01:50,053
Speaker 15: accused of fleeing police in East Auckland this morning after

1223
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Speaker 15: a pursuit triggered by a barking dog alerting a person

1224
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1230
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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Raylan, And we're talking about abuse

1233
01:02:29,133 --> 01:02:33,133
Speaker 2: directed towards referees of Fenowa Company Rugby Union. They have

1234
01:02:33,253 --> 01:02:36,493
Speaker 2: canceled all rugby games this weekend after quite a significant

1235
01:02:36,573 --> 01:02:39,533
Speaker 2: case of referee abuse to the point where he had

1236
01:02:39,533 --> 01:02:41,693
Speaker 2: to be escorted to his car over safety fares.

1237
01:02:41,853 --> 01:02:44,333
Speaker 3: Horo Fena have done the exactly the right things. This

1238
01:02:44,413 --> 01:02:46,533
Speaker 3: is text. The next time an idiot starts lamb besting

1239
01:02:46,613 --> 01:02:48,973
Speaker 3: the ref the spectators have a legitimate reason to tell

1240
01:02:49,053 --> 01:02:50,733
Speaker 3: him or her to shut the heck up, and they

1241
01:02:50,773 --> 01:02:53,653
Speaker 3: will do that. Cheers Pat. Yeah, I mean that would

1242
01:02:53,653 --> 01:02:55,613
Speaker 3: be the idea that there's a huge social cost to

1243
01:02:55,653 --> 01:02:58,493
Speaker 3: pay for it. If you start being an absolute dickhead

1244
01:02:58,573 --> 01:03:01,693
Speaker 3: like this person was, then you know everyone's going, well,

1245
01:03:01,733 --> 01:03:04,013
Speaker 3: you're going to take rugby away from everyone if you

1246
01:03:04,333 --> 01:03:06,253
Speaker 3: do this. That'd be the idea, Yeah, of it. It

1247
01:03:06,333 --> 01:03:08,253
Speaker 3: does feel a little bit like lining up the villages

1248
01:03:08,653 --> 01:03:12,133
Speaker 3: and shooting all of them because the rebels have blown

1249
01:03:12,213 --> 01:03:14,493
Speaker 3: up a tank, But yeah, I get your analogy. Yeah,

1250
01:03:14,773 --> 01:03:18,133
Speaker 3: Now you've got to say that generally, the the texts

1251
01:03:18,173 --> 01:03:22,053
Speaker 3: have been massively in support of horror Fenua Company Rugby

1252
01:03:22,133 --> 01:03:24,853
Speaker 3: Union and their decision, and also of reefs in general.

1253
01:03:24,933 --> 01:03:28,653
Speaker 3: But this text here which surprised me. If you are

1254
01:03:28,693 --> 01:03:31,253
Speaker 3: a crap ref, you get what you deserve. Do a

1255
01:03:31,293 --> 01:03:33,933
Speaker 3: good job, no problems. If you are too soft a

1256
01:03:34,053 --> 01:03:35,853
Speaker 3: ref and take a bit of abuse, don't do it.

1257
01:03:36,893 --> 01:03:40,533
Speaker 3: These reefs aren't heroes. They are just trying to move

1258
01:03:40,733 --> 01:03:44,853
Speaker 3: up to make get famous, to make to get famous,

1259
01:03:44,893 --> 01:03:48,053
Speaker 3: I guess, make get famous and make money doing international games.

1260
01:03:48,053 --> 01:03:51,213
Speaker 3: I guarantee that was a shit call that got that

1261
01:03:51,333 --> 01:03:51,973
Speaker 3: reef in trouble.

1262
01:03:52,253 --> 01:03:55,213
Speaker 2: Oh, cheapers, you'd love to be next to that fella

1263
01:03:55,213 --> 01:03:56,253
Speaker 2: at the sports heal, wouldn't you.

1264
01:03:57,013 --> 01:04:02,653
Speaker 3: Well, that isn't you idiots? Texter. Most refs in this

1265
01:04:02,773 --> 01:04:06,853
Speaker 3: country are not expecting to become an international ref. They

1266
01:04:07,053 --> 01:04:10,053
Speaker 3: just love the sport and think that and want to

1267
01:04:10,053 --> 01:04:13,013
Speaker 3: help out the community and going out and volunteering their

1268
01:04:13,053 --> 01:04:16,933
Speaker 3: own time so a game can happen. As Kate said before,

1269
01:04:17,293 --> 01:04:18,853
Speaker 3: no referee, no game.

1270
01:04:19,013 --> 01:04:21,773
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, exactly. If you're a referee, what do you

1271
01:04:21,853 --> 01:04:24,013
Speaker 2: say to a text like that, because clearly that's a

1272
01:04:24,093 --> 01:04:25,933
Speaker 2: mentality that is out there in the community.

1273
01:04:26,133 --> 01:04:28,933
Speaker 3: But how dumb are you, Texter? So you think that

1274
01:04:29,093 --> 01:04:30,893
Speaker 3: every ref is trying to become famous?

1275
01:04:31,973 --> 01:04:34,293
Speaker 2: Reefs are non heroes. Cheepause, that's a hell of a

1276
01:04:34,373 --> 01:04:35,853
Speaker 2: line for that text to throw out there.

1277
01:04:35,853 --> 01:04:37,813
Speaker 3: I'd like to know what that textter does in their

1278
01:04:37,893 --> 01:04:40,853
Speaker 3: life to help the community. What an incredible person they

1279
01:04:40,933 --> 01:04:44,413
Speaker 3: are that they can be saying things like that, Just amazing,

1280
01:04:44,653 --> 01:04:47,333
Speaker 3: amazing person doing amazing things every day for your community.

1281
01:04:47,693 --> 01:04:48,493
Speaker 3: Be you're a real hero.

1282
01:04:48,773 --> 01:04:50,773
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you want to respond to that text though,

1283
01:04:50,773 --> 01:04:52,133
Speaker 2: eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

1284
01:04:53,653 --> 01:04:55,373
Speaker 3: Paul, welcome to the show.

1285
01:04:56,653 --> 01:04:57,013
Speaker 7: There we go.

1286
01:04:57,373 --> 01:04:58,013
Speaker 3: Yeah, very good.

1287
01:04:58,053 --> 01:04:58,893
Speaker 2: I'll watch your view.

1288
01:05:00,413 --> 01:05:01,893
Speaker 13: By Actually.

1289
01:05:03,173 --> 01:05:05,933
Speaker 4: I didn't even start reffing until I was in my

1290
01:05:06,493 --> 01:05:10,493
Speaker 4: forty the ice think eleven years.

1291
01:05:12,213 --> 01:05:12,413
Speaker 8: Flat.

1292
01:05:12,493 --> 01:05:16,653
Speaker 7: For four hundred games, I had two really bad experiences

1293
01:05:16,693 --> 01:05:17,933
Speaker 7: and the rest of the pretty good.

1294
01:05:17,973 --> 01:05:18,173
Speaker 13: Really.

1295
01:05:18,293 --> 01:05:22,173
Speaker 4: I mean, you get the odd clown who probably the

1296
01:05:22,293 --> 01:05:25,213
Speaker 4: vocalizes what he should have kept in his head, but

1297
01:05:25,653 --> 01:05:26,573
Speaker 4: generally people.

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01:05:26,413 --> 01:05:27,893
Speaker 7: Are pretty good. So they have one.

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01:05:29,253 --> 01:05:30,413
Speaker 8: In a very.

1300
01:05:32,133 --> 01:05:36,693
Speaker 7: Rural area of the Union, and we've had a head

1301
01:05:36,733 --> 01:05:39,973
Speaker 7: high tackle. I was right above it. Blue. The whistle.

1302
01:05:41,253 --> 01:05:44,893
Speaker 4: Said leave us, leave us anyway. The boys with in

1303
01:05:44,893 --> 01:05:47,253
Speaker 4: all Russian, which was good, and that the guy who's

1304
01:05:47,293 --> 01:05:49,853
Speaker 4: been tackled gets up and needs the other boat right

1305
01:05:49,893 --> 01:05:53,893
Speaker 4: in the face. So there were only three minutes to go,

1306
01:05:54,133 --> 01:05:54,373
Speaker 4: and I.

1307
01:05:54,373 --> 01:05:56,693
Speaker 7: Said, I really want to have a red card here,

1308
01:05:56,773 --> 01:05:58,053
Speaker 7: and I thought, oh, Taylor.

1309
01:05:58,773 --> 01:06:01,373
Speaker 4: So I called out the guy who had made the tackles,

1310
01:06:01,893 --> 01:06:04,413
Speaker 4: I said, and I'd rest them for years, and I said,

1311
01:06:04,453 --> 01:06:07,693
Speaker 4: this is what happens when you do stupid crap like that.

1312
01:06:07,853 --> 01:06:11,013
Speaker 4: There was no need for him to do it, and

1313
01:06:11,813 --> 01:06:14,253
Speaker 4: I said, right, so pemp to head high tackle back

1314
01:06:14,293 --> 01:06:16,093
Speaker 4: pen He basically laughed at me because.

1315
01:06:15,853 --> 01:06:19,053
Speaker 7: He knew what was coming. Called the other guy up.

1316
01:06:19,133 --> 01:06:21,613
Speaker 7: He said, right, you were tackled high. You heard me,

1317
01:06:23,173 --> 01:06:25,893
Speaker 7: so leave it. I've got this. You're elective with our play.

1318
01:06:26,013 --> 01:06:28,053
Speaker 4: So you're going in the bin and the penalty has

1319
01:06:28,093 --> 01:06:32,853
Speaker 4: been reversed. And he just spared exist and he says,

1320
01:06:32,893 --> 01:06:34,493
Speaker 4: how would you like it if you got tackled?

1321
01:06:35,213 --> 01:06:36,053
Speaker 7: I would like it at all.

1322
01:06:36,133 --> 01:06:38,533
Speaker 4: But you have to trust me to arbitrate the game.

1323
01:06:38,613 --> 01:06:42,093
Speaker 4: It's not your job. And he had again sign here

1324
01:06:42,173 --> 01:06:44,053
Speaker 4: tattooed up his neck and other kind of lab we're

1325
01:06:44,053 --> 01:06:47,773
Speaker 4: talking about, and he was carrying on anyway. I said,

1326
01:06:47,813 --> 01:06:49,733
Speaker 4: so you're in the bin and he turned around and

1327
01:06:49,853 --> 01:06:52,493
Speaker 4: he said to me, you're dead after the game.

1328
01:06:52,613 --> 01:07:00,133
Speaker 7: Ballhead wo and he meant it and so I pushed

1329
01:07:00,133 --> 01:07:03,373
Speaker 7: the game straight away. The captain gave me a false

1330
01:07:03,493 --> 01:07:06,893
Speaker 7: name for him, and then the manager came on and

1331
01:07:07,053 --> 01:07:11,413
Speaker 7: he was brilliant and he said, look, they gave me

1332
01:07:11,493 --> 01:07:13,693
Speaker 7: all the details. Said that guy'll never pay the stub again.

1333
01:07:14,773 --> 01:07:18,173
Speaker 7: He said, please do your showering and out changing rooms.

1334
01:07:18,973 --> 01:07:20,453
Speaker 7: We want to on air.

1335
01:07:20,533 --> 01:07:23,013
Speaker 4: And so I went in, just went in there and

1336
01:07:23,093 --> 01:07:26,253
Speaker 4: they did the hacker and they were brought it and

1337
01:07:26,813 --> 01:07:28,773
Speaker 4: you know it wasn't the resting style.

1338
01:07:28,813 --> 01:07:30,373
Speaker 7: It was one guyline.

1339
01:07:31,693 --> 01:07:35,173
Speaker 4: And they anyway, I stilled in my car the other

1340
01:07:35,293 --> 01:07:38,693
Speaker 4: day and he got ten weeks, but they kicked him out.

1341
01:07:38,533 --> 01:07:38,893
Speaker 7: Of the club.

1342
01:07:39,693 --> 01:07:43,573
Speaker 4: And then the union also organized. We had a psychiatrist

1343
01:07:43,773 --> 01:07:47,933
Speaker 4: who was also referee, so they got him to do

1344
01:07:48,133 --> 01:07:51,653
Speaker 4: some me some calls just at the therapy and make

1345
01:07:51,693 --> 01:07:54,493
Speaker 4: sure I was okay, which was I really really appreciate it.

1346
01:07:55,373 --> 01:07:57,813
Speaker 4: The only real negative out of it was the very

1347
01:07:57,893 --> 01:07:59,293
Speaker 4: next week they appointed.

1348
01:07:58,933 --> 01:07:59,813
Speaker 7: Me to the same club.

1349
01:08:00,773 --> 01:08:05,013
Speaker 3: Oh there was that an It was that there must

1350
01:08:05,013 --> 01:08:09,053
Speaker 3: have been an Edmund mess up with it, you would.

1351
01:08:08,813 --> 01:08:13,733
Speaker 7: Assume that time. And then I had one other and

1352
01:08:13,813 --> 01:08:15,453
Speaker 7: so that was the scene game. I had one other

1353
01:08:15,533 --> 01:08:16,173
Speaker 7: in another.

1354
01:08:16,013 --> 01:08:19,133
Speaker 4: Twelve game that I did and I had the senior

1355
01:08:19,173 --> 01:08:20,973
Speaker 4: game straight after it. They just wanted to do a

1356
01:08:21,053 --> 01:08:24,412
Speaker 4: curtain raiser. Referees hate doing two games back to back

1357
01:08:24,492 --> 01:08:27,212
Speaker 4: because the game you need to be at your physical

1358
01:08:27,253 --> 01:08:29,452
Speaker 4: best and at the end of the game you're exhausted.

1359
01:08:29,853 --> 01:08:33,893
Speaker 7: Yes, but anyway this game.

1360
01:08:35,492 --> 01:08:37,293
Speaker 4: Are going to care for what I say. But basically

1361
01:08:38,173 --> 01:08:40,612
Speaker 4: all players have to have them out guard. They had

1362
01:08:40,652 --> 01:08:43,372
Speaker 4: about four. Luckily, I've been to a game in a

1363
01:08:43,532 --> 01:08:45,532
Speaker 4: very rural area before, and then you take a whole

1364
01:08:45,572 --> 01:08:48,932
Speaker 4: lot with there for them. One of them had about

1365
01:08:48,973 --> 01:08:51,013
Speaker 4: two studs of the boats and I said, look, I'll

1366
01:08:51,053 --> 01:08:52,412
Speaker 4: let it go to day, but he's got to have

1367
01:08:52,652 --> 01:08:53,692
Speaker 4: a full set next week.

1368
01:08:54,013 --> 01:08:56,492
Speaker 7: Another and he's calling me a little hitler.

1369
01:08:56,893 --> 01:09:02,492
Speaker 4: In our union, the coaches must stay in a in

1370
01:09:02,572 --> 01:09:05,772
Speaker 4: a technical area. They can't come out of it. And

1371
01:09:07,173 --> 01:09:08,253
Speaker 4: he was coming out.

1372
01:09:08,492 --> 01:09:10,532
Speaker 7: Into the game. He abused me. He was telling his

1373
01:09:10,612 --> 01:09:14,653
Speaker 7: players and head off. He was calling.

1374
01:09:15,812 --> 01:09:18,812
Speaker 4: He there was a player got was a twelve year

1375
01:09:18,853 --> 01:09:21,892
Speaker 4: old an injury at his knee, and I just ran

1376
01:09:21,973 --> 01:09:24,933
Speaker 4: over to him and said, I fell, you know, like,

1377
01:09:25,333 --> 01:09:27,612
Speaker 4: is it a contact intry or is it twisted? Done

1378
01:09:28,013 --> 01:09:30,452
Speaker 4: was just trying to get his vine talking rather than

1379
01:09:30,572 --> 01:09:35,333
Speaker 4: just crying and this guy ran into off and the

1380
01:09:35,412 --> 01:09:37,732
Speaker 4: other coach came over and said, hang out, walk up

1381
01:09:37,732 --> 01:09:38,293
Speaker 4: your hand you can.

1382
01:09:40,492 --> 01:09:42,932
Speaker 7: It was just out the gate. And after the game,

1383
01:09:42,973 --> 01:09:45,012
Speaker 7: I went to the changing rooms to change my jersey

1384
01:09:45,093 --> 01:09:46,692
Speaker 7: and a couple of the mothers came out to this

1385
01:09:46,732 --> 01:09:52,213
Speaker 7: sat day around there he's waiting with a bottle. You know,

1386
01:09:52,372 --> 01:09:55,293
Speaker 7: all it was solely on him.

1387
01:09:55,293 --> 01:09:59,492
Speaker 4: I've done nothing wrong, So I got a thing about

1388
01:09:59,532 --> 01:10:03,973
Speaker 4: that and the judiciary. That was the first time and

1389
01:10:04,093 --> 01:10:06,652
Speaker 4: only time I had to appear it su Normally with

1390
01:10:06,732 --> 01:10:07,692
Speaker 4: the red card, you ride a.

1391
01:10:07,732 --> 01:10:09,772
Speaker 7: Report and and be available by phones.

1392
01:10:11,093 --> 01:10:15,412
Speaker 4: I go to Judiciary and he's there, His managers, team

1393
01:10:15,452 --> 01:10:21,492
Speaker 4: manager and the president were there with him. The three

1394
01:10:21,612 --> 01:10:25,253
Speaker 4: judiciary panel members said they never said a word of

1395
01:10:25,372 --> 01:10:26,053
Speaker 4: support for him.

1396
01:10:26,333 --> 01:10:26,852
Speaker 7: For him.

1397
01:10:30,612 --> 01:10:33,652
Speaker 4: And he sort of gave his opinion of it, and

1398
01:10:33,772 --> 01:10:36,053
Speaker 4: then I gave Barton and their first words to me,

1399
01:10:36,213 --> 01:10:37,532
Speaker 4: don't let a pissant.

1400
01:10:37,293 --> 01:10:40,492
Speaker 7: Like that in your refereeing career. But I've had that.

1401
01:10:40,973 --> 01:10:42,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh fair enough.

1402
01:10:43,372 --> 01:10:49,412
Speaker 7: And then just as I was walking out, five guys

1403
01:10:49,492 --> 01:10:55,572
Speaker 7: from the club where I was resting that game, so

1404
01:10:55,772 --> 01:10:59,013
Speaker 7: they were the home team. They all came in to

1405
01:10:59,093 --> 01:11:01,532
Speaker 7: support me, which eight o'clock at night are all very time.

1406
01:11:01,612 --> 01:11:03,333
Speaker 7: I was pretty dan impressed for that.

1407
01:11:03,853 --> 01:11:06,852
Speaker 4: And the guy got game for twelve months from any

1408
01:11:06,893 --> 01:11:08,052
Speaker 4: rugby ground in New Zealand.

1409
01:11:09,572 --> 01:11:12,452
Speaker 7: Just appalling behavior and he had to have been on drugs.

1410
01:11:13,333 --> 01:11:15,812
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, thank you for sharing those stories, Paul. It

1411
01:11:16,093 --> 01:11:19,732
Speaker 3: sucks that that happened to you. But one question, when

1412
01:11:19,933 --> 01:11:21,452
Speaker 3: does it move to the point where it's not a

1413
01:11:21,532 --> 01:11:23,612
Speaker 3: judiciary and it's not within the world of rugby, but

1414
01:11:23,732 --> 01:11:26,852
Speaker 3: you just if someone's threatening to kill you, when do

1415
01:11:26,933 --> 01:11:29,013
Speaker 3: you just call one one one and say, look, this

1416
01:11:29,213 --> 01:11:33,093
Speaker 3: is this is basically this is a police issue. This

1417
01:11:33,293 --> 01:11:33,892
Speaker 3: is a death threat.

1418
01:11:35,013 --> 01:11:35,253
Speaker 7: Yep.

1419
01:11:37,973 --> 01:11:41,732
Speaker 4: I think people get their threats in that area pretty regularly. Yeah,

1420
01:11:42,213 --> 01:11:47,133
Speaker 4: but yeah, and you know you do it for nothing.

1421
01:11:47,173 --> 01:11:49,133
Speaker 7: You've got You've got it for the love of the game.

1422
01:11:50,133 --> 01:11:52,772
Speaker 7: And and as some wise coach.

1423
01:11:52,893 --> 01:11:57,333
Speaker 4: Said to me, yeah, the reason we do this is

1424
01:11:57,412 --> 01:12:00,612
Speaker 4: we're growing good young men and rugby is just a vehicle.

1425
01:12:01,213 --> 01:12:05,412
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And that's the whole idea of sport exactly.

1426
01:12:05,652 --> 01:12:07,932
Speaker 2: And it's so sad that Paul is Paul Is now

1427
01:12:08,452 --> 01:12:10,692
Speaker 2: said I've had enough of riffing because I can't deal

1428
01:12:10,732 --> 01:12:12,213
Speaker 2: with that sort of Pavie and no one can blame

1429
01:12:12,293 --> 01:12:14,133
Speaker 2: him but cheaper. I mean, Paul was there for the

1430
01:12:14,173 --> 01:12:14,692
Speaker 2: passion and the.

1431
01:12:14,732 --> 01:12:16,053
Speaker 3: Good of the game. What would have been out with

1432
01:12:16,173 --> 01:12:16,972
Speaker 3: the first death thread?

1433
01:12:17,213 --> 01:12:20,372
Speaker 2: Yeah, me too, exactly thirteen to three back for you, surely.

1434
01:12:21,973 --> 01:12:25,572
Speaker 1: Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

1435
01:12:25,572 --> 01:12:28,092
Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams

1436
01:12:28,253 --> 01:12:29,652
Speaker 1: Afternoons News Talks.

1437
01:12:30,333 --> 01:12:32,452
Speaker 2: Very good afternoon. She It is eleven to three, and

1438
01:12:32,492 --> 01:12:35,213
Speaker 2: we're geting a lot of correspondence from people who have

1439
01:12:35,492 --> 01:12:37,772
Speaker 2: reffed or got out of the reffing game because of

1440
01:12:37,812 --> 01:12:39,412
Speaker 2: the abuse of the faced of that you have to

1441
01:12:39,452 --> 01:12:42,772
Speaker 2: hear from you on our eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Peter,

1442
01:12:43,213 --> 01:12:44,933
Speaker 2: you used to ref in the eighties.

1443
01:12:46,572 --> 01:12:50,772
Speaker 16: Yes through yes, and that time and.

1444
01:12:52,333 --> 01:12:52,492
Speaker 19: Right.

1445
01:12:52,853 --> 01:12:55,732
Speaker 14: What happened to me? The worst thing was that I

1446
01:12:55,893 --> 01:13:00,133
Speaker 14: had a senior game. But all this rubbish was even

1447
01:13:00,692 --> 01:13:04,612
Speaker 14: going on way back then. But I had two teams

1448
01:13:05,093 --> 01:13:10,133
Speaker 14: and I penalized one team, you know, the hangout free

1449
01:13:10,213 --> 01:13:15,532
Speaker 14: trip mixing one of the powers that were awarded the penalty.

1450
01:13:15,532 --> 01:13:18,932
Speaker 14: He said to me, look out too late, this big

1451
01:13:19,412 --> 01:13:23,333
Speaker 14: I won't give me nationality because it's still cool, righteous,

1452
01:13:24,133 --> 01:13:28,013
Speaker 14: But this fellow banged me one and it hit me

1453
01:13:28,133 --> 01:13:33,213
Speaker 14: in the neck, but it it decked me and starting

1454
01:13:33,213 --> 01:13:36,333
Speaker 14: to make a long story short. He came up on

1455
01:13:36,412 --> 01:13:41,412
Speaker 14: the Monday night at a judiciary and he got banned

1456
01:13:41,532 --> 01:13:44,532
Speaker 14: for life. But I understand he went back to the

1457
01:13:44,692 --> 01:13:46,333
Speaker 14: North Island and changed his name.

1458
01:13:46,933 --> 01:13:49,093
Speaker 16: But I also and the.

1459
01:13:49,133 --> 01:13:52,893
Speaker 14: Kenemy Rugby League did not like me doing it. But

1460
01:13:53,213 --> 01:13:59,852
Speaker 14: I put him on the charge of assault, yes, and

1461
01:14:00,093 --> 01:14:05,093
Speaker 14: he got fined. I think it's about fifteen hundred dollars. Yeah,

1462
01:14:05,133 --> 01:14:07,133
Speaker 14: fifteen hundred dollars, something pretty big.

1463
01:14:07,253 --> 01:14:10,532
Speaker 2: Anyway, Well that is good, I mean banned for life.

1464
01:14:10,612 --> 01:14:12,452
Speaker 2: That's exactly what you want. Thank you very much better.

1465
01:14:12,692 --> 01:14:15,572
Speaker 3: This Texas is our adult sun Reffs has teenage kids

1466
01:14:15,612 --> 01:14:19,372
Speaker 3: football matches and cops a bit of sideline abuse at times.

1467
01:14:19,452 --> 01:14:22,612
Speaker 3: I can assure you tech your Texter. He's not after

1468
01:14:22,652 --> 01:14:26,253
Speaker 3: international honors. He's being a good dad like thousands of

1469
01:14:26,333 --> 01:14:28,892
Speaker 3: others across New Zealand. That's from Joanne.

1470
01:14:28,973 --> 01:14:31,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, fantastic, All right, Oh eight one hundred and eighty

1471
01:14:31,372 --> 01:14:33,812
Speaker 2: ten eighty is the number to call. It is nine

1472
01:14:33,933 --> 01:14:37,013
Speaker 2: to three. Bag very shortly. You're listening to Matt and

1473
01:14:37,053 --> 01:14:37,973
Speaker 2: Tyler good afternoon't you.

1474
01:14:39,253 --> 01:14:41,612
Speaker 1: The issues that affect you and a bit of fun

1475
01:14:41,692 --> 01:14:46,492
Speaker 1: along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News TALKSB.

1476
01:14:47,013 --> 01:14:48,652
Speaker 2: News Talks HEB. We're going to carry this on for

1477
01:14:48,692 --> 01:14:50,293
Speaker 2: a bit after three o'clock, so I'd love to hear

1478
01:14:50,372 --> 01:14:54,092
Speaker 2: your thoughts and experiences on the side of football fields

1479
01:14:54,173 --> 01:14:56,492
Speaker 2: or sports fields, but also as a referee and man

1480
01:14:56,572 --> 01:14:58,892
Speaker 2: oh man, we're getting a lot of text coming through.

1481
01:14:59,732 --> 01:15:01,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel kind of bad about it because you

1482
01:15:01,333 --> 01:15:03,492
Speaker 3: don't want to put refs off. We need refs out there.

1483
01:15:04,253 --> 01:15:06,372
Speaker 3: What we need, you know, with the sport always cos

1484
01:15:06,412 --> 01:15:09,053
Speaker 3: better with billionaires, you know, you look at the We

1485
01:15:09,213 --> 01:15:11,933
Speaker 3: need some billionaire that just loves loves sport in New

1486
01:15:12,013 --> 01:15:14,532
Speaker 3: Zealand and goes I'm just going to blanket pay all

1487
01:15:14,572 --> 01:15:16,492
Speaker 3: the refs in the country and pay security for them.

1488
01:15:16,853 --> 01:15:19,812
Speaker 2: We need a Foley bell if you're listening, give us

1489
01:15:19,812 --> 01:15:21,892
Speaker 2: some of that sweet sweet cash for security at our

1490
01:15:22,173 --> 01:15:24,732
Speaker 2: rugby clubs. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

1491
01:15:24,933 --> 01:15:27,293
Speaker 2: number to call. This is a good text here that

1492
01:15:27,412 --> 01:15:30,852
Speaker 2: sees guys. I can't believe the stories I'm hearing. It's

1493
01:15:30,933 --> 01:15:33,532
Speaker 2: just total madness, no wonder people walk away and don't

1494
01:15:33,532 --> 01:15:35,293
Speaker 2: want to do it. Just crazy. I had no idea

1495
01:15:35,372 --> 01:15:37,612
Speaker 2: it was this bad. I don't blame the union for

1496
01:15:37,692 --> 01:15:39,772
Speaker 2: taking the action they have. That's from Phil.

1497
01:15:40,973 --> 01:15:43,892
Speaker 3: Guys. This has turned me off going to games as

1498
01:15:43,933 --> 01:15:46,333
Speaker 3: the buffied parents and supporters behavior ruined the game in

1499
01:15:46,452 --> 01:15:49,093
Speaker 3: overall enjoyment for the players. Yeah, I mean it does.

1500
01:15:49,293 --> 01:15:52,852
Speaker 3: And you know, when there's someone on your team that's

1501
01:15:53,293 --> 01:15:56,053
Speaker 3: yelling at the ref and yelling at players, it's so

1502
01:15:56,293 --> 01:15:59,333
Speaker 3: awkward and it makes us so fun for their kid,

1503
01:16:00,053 --> 01:16:03,372
Speaker 3: you the parent before it even gets to violence. Just

1504
01:16:03,532 --> 01:16:04,892
Speaker 3: some deckhead that won't shut up.

1505
01:16:05,013 --> 01:16:08,252
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's got to shame those people out of existence.

1506
01:16:09,492 --> 01:16:09,652
Speaker 20: Right.

1507
01:16:09,853 --> 01:16:12,612
Speaker 2: News is on its way, but really keen to get

1508
01:16:12,652 --> 01:16:14,173
Speaker 2: your views on this as we say, we're going to

1509
01:16:14,213 --> 01:16:16,932
Speaker 2: carry this on after three o'clock. If you can't get

1510
01:16:17,013 --> 01:16:20,132
Speaker 2: through on the phone lines, keep trying. Full boards bets

1511
01:16:20,293 --> 01:16:23,213
Speaker 2: the text number nine two for your stories as well.

1512
01:16:23,652 --> 01:16:25,933
Speaker 2: New Sport and Weather on its way. You're listening to

1513
01:16:26,093 --> 01:16:29,293
Speaker 2: matt and Tyler. Very good to have your company. As always,

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Speaker 2: we'll see you on the other side.

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Speaker 1: Your new home are insateful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie

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01:17:16,372 --> 01:17:20,293
Speaker 1: and Taylor Adams afternoons on news Talk Sebby.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon to you. Welcome back to the program. Seven

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01:17:23,213 --> 01:17:25,932
Speaker 2: past three, and we were having a great discussion about

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01:17:26,492 --> 01:17:30,012
Speaker 2: referee abuse. Hot Offenowa Company rugby union. They have canceled

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01:17:30,013 --> 01:17:33,612
Speaker 2: all rugby games this weekend after a particularly serious case

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01:17:33,652 --> 01:17:36,852
Speaker 2: of referee abuse. But we're hearing from a lot of

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01:17:36,973 --> 01:17:40,172
Speaker 2: people involved in sports around the country and referees themselves

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01:17:40,213 --> 01:17:42,013
Speaker 2: saying that they've had to deal with abuse for a

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Speaker 2: long time.

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01:17:42,732 --> 01:17:44,772
Speaker 3: This text says, I challenged this huge dude and his

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01:17:44,893 --> 01:17:47,572
Speaker 3: wife who were abusing the poor ref at school rugby

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01:17:47,772 --> 01:17:50,812
Speaker 3: match in Parmi versus a hot Offenoit team. By the way,

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01:17:51,612 --> 01:17:54,052
Speaker 3: was told in no uncertain terms where he could stick

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01:17:54,133 --> 01:17:56,652
Speaker 3: my head after ripping it off. Where he would stick

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01:17:56,732 --> 01:17:59,692
Speaker 3: my head after ripping it off. Interesting, his wife was

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01:17:59,772 --> 01:18:03,173
Speaker 3: equally abusive. That's nice. I stood my ground and nothing happened.

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01:18:03,933 --> 01:18:06,772
Speaker 3: But afterwards, all the other parents from our team who

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01:18:06,853 --> 01:18:09,173
Speaker 3: had disappeared when I challenged the du sidled up to

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01:18:09,253 --> 01:18:11,892
Speaker 3: me and thank me. I was cracking myself while standing

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01:18:11,973 --> 01:18:15,133
Speaker 3: my ground. But there's no room for those types with

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01:18:15,253 --> 01:18:18,892
Speaker 3: their abuse. How about when the child registers, they get

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01:18:18,933 --> 01:18:21,732
Speaker 3: a code of contact which includes their parents. Abuse from

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01:18:21,812 --> 01:18:24,972
Speaker 3: either or on a rear or anyone else gets yellow

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01:18:25,013 --> 01:18:27,852
Speaker 3: carded and then the red card gets carried off. Yeah,

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01:18:27,893 --> 01:18:30,972
Speaker 3: carried on. It's a good idea red card the parents.

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01:18:31,093 --> 01:18:33,852
Speaker 2: Yeah, something needs to happen, that's for sure.

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01:18:34,732 --> 01:18:37,573
Speaker 3: Now we got this text before. That's scored some controversy

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01:18:37,893 --> 01:18:40,652
Speaker 3: some people, So can this TEXTA says, can you read

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01:18:40,692 --> 01:18:43,333
Speaker 3: out that text again and abuse that person? Some more

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01:18:43,532 --> 01:18:46,213
Speaker 3: enjoyed you abusing them? Yep, that was this text before

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01:18:46,293 --> 01:18:48,093
Speaker 3: read that out. Someone else says, Matt, you are telling

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01:18:48,133 --> 01:18:50,732
Speaker 3: people not to abuse people such as refs, and then

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01:18:50,772 --> 01:18:52,732
Speaker 3: you call a text or a dickhead and a muppet

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01:18:52,772 --> 01:18:55,213
Speaker 3: and not a hero. That is a pretty mixed message.

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01:18:55,452 --> 01:18:57,093
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think it's a bit different. It's

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01:18:57,093 --> 01:19:00,412
Speaker 3: a bit different. A radio host abusing a absolute dickhead.

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01:19:00,452 --> 01:19:03,412
Speaker 3: That texts in right, So this is the text in

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01:19:03,452 --> 01:19:04,372
Speaker 3: case you mix must it?

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01:19:05,612 --> 01:19:05,692
Speaker 20: Oh?

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01:19:05,812 --> 01:19:08,572
Speaker 3: This person said, actually this heads? Can you make that

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01:19:08,692 --> 01:19:10,852
Speaker 3: text a dickhead of the week. So there's mixed reports

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01:19:10,853 --> 01:19:12,532
Speaker 3: on my abuse of this person. But here's the text

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01:19:12,612 --> 01:19:15,093
Speaker 3: that came in on this on this issue. If you

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01:19:15,213 --> 01:19:17,333
Speaker 3: are a crap ref, you get what you deserve. Do

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01:19:17,452 --> 01:19:19,652
Speaker 3: a good job, no problems. If you are too soft

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01:19:19,692 --> 01:19:21,893
Speaker 3: to reft and take a bit of abuse, don't do it.

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01:19:22,213 --> 01:19:24,372
Speaker 3: These reefs aren't heroes. They are just trying to move

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01:19:24,492 --> 01:19:28,372
Speaker 3: up to make get famous and make money doing international games.

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01:19:28,412 --> 01:19:30,652
Speaker 3: I guarantee that was a shit call and the ref

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01:19:30,732 --> 01:19:34,012
Speaker 3: got that got the ref in trouble got what they deserved.

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01:19:34,893 --> 01:19:36,132
Speaker 3: You are a muppet, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: You can absolutely call that person a dick and then

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Speaker 2: abuse the abusers.

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01:19:39,572 --> 01:19:42,213
Speaker 3: You're a dickhead and a muppet texture and a knob.

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01:19:42,612 --> 01:19:44,732
Speaker 2: If you want to ring up and abuse this particular texture,

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01:19:44,732 --> 01:19:45,412
Speaker 2: you're more than welcome.

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01:19:45,532 --> 01:19:48,572
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that's very different me pointing out the

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01:19:48,652 --> 01:19:50,213
Speaker 3: fact that that person that texts that and is a

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01:19:50,293 --> 01:19:53,572
Speaker 3: complete and utter spoon and an egg and a muppet

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01:19:54,293 --> 01:19:59,173
Speaker 3: and got their eyes for Christmas? Then is that the

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01:19:59,213 --> 01:20:02,213
Speaker 3: saying you say, it's very different from someone that someone

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01:20:02,253 --> 01:20:03,372
Speaker 3: abusing a ref exactly?

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01:20:03,412 --> 01:20:07,213
Speaker 2: I think absolutely you can abuse abusers, surely, But keen

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01:20:07,253 --> 01:20:08,972
Speaker 2: you get your views on this. One hundred and eighty

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Speaker 2: ten eighty Haiti, how are you this afternoon?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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01:20:12,293 --> 01:20:13,333
Speaker 21: Good things? How are you guys?

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01:20:13,772 --> 01:20:14,293
Speaker 3: Very good?

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01:20:14,692 --> 01:20:17,372
Speaker 2: Now? What's your thoughts about referee abuse? Now we know

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01:20:17,452 --> 01:20:19,652
Speaker 2: who you are, Haiti? You've been involved in sport in

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01:20:19,692 --> 01:20:20,692
Speaker 2: Canterbury for some time.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, yeah, just yeah recently, I suppose.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah. So Hadi Stratford, for those listening right now,

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01:20:28,492 --> 01:20:31,132
Speaker 2: was the GM at the Tactics and has been involved

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01:20:31,173 --> 01:20:33,053
Speaker 2: in sport for a long time. So your kids both

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01:20:33,093 --> 01:20:37,133
Speaker 2: play rugby currently, Haiti, what's the level of abuse that

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01:20:37,293 --> 01:20:40,333
Speaker 2: you see on the sidelines of any Yeah, our.

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01:20:40,293 --> 01:20:43,293
Speaker 21: Kids are young, so we're still in that stage where

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01:20:43,732 --> 01:20:47,532
Speaker 21: every match one team does half and the other team

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01:20:47,612 --> 01:20:50,372
Speaker 21: does half. So to be honest, I and all the

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01:20:50,452 --> 01:20:53,053
Speaker 21: years I've been watching my kids play Rapier, I really

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01:20:53,093 --> 01:20:56,532
Speaker 21: actually haven't seen anything bad, which I suppose is a

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01:20:56,572 --> 01:20:59,213
Speaker 21: really great thing, and I do wonder if that's because

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01:20:59,293 --> 01:21:01,732
Speaker 21: sort of like you know, your your coach is doing

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01:21:01,772 --> 01:21:03,732
Speaker 21: one half and the other coaches doing one half, so

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01:21:03,812 --> 01:21:06,812
Speaker 21: there's a bit more sort of familiarity with it. But

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01:21:06,933 --> 01:21:09,012
Speaker 21: one thing I was going to say is that sort

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01:21:09,013 --> 01:21:10,972
Speaker 21: of one element that's been left out of the chat

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01:21:11,093 --> 01:21:13,093
Speaker 21: quite a lot that I've seen that works really really

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01:21:13,133 --> 01:21:16,572
Speaker 21: well was actually like needs to come from the coach

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01:21:16,652 --> 01:21:19,293
Speaker 21: in terms of setting the culture. So one of the

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01:21:19,412 --> 01:21:22,893
Speaker 21: things my oldest boys coach in his club used to

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Speaker 21: do and it was brilliant, and before the start of

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Speaker 21: every single game, especially the games that were sort of

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01:21:28,973 --> 01:21:30,852
Speaker 21: a bit tighter, he would come down the line to

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Speaker 21: all the parents and in his like sort of gruff

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01:21:33,692 --> 01:21:35,732
Speaker 21: but kind of funny way, so I don't want to

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01:21:35,732 --> 01:21:37,852
Speaker 21: hear from any of you guys during the game. I

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01:21:37,893 --> 01:21:40,253
Speaker 21: don't want to hear your abuse. Ref and if I

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01:21:40,372 --> 01:21:42,612
Speaker 21: hear anything from you guys, as in our own parents,

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01:21:43,412 --> 01:21:44,892
Speaker 21: you'll be talking to me at the end of the game.

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01:21:45,173 --> 01:21:46,732
Speaker 21: And it was set in a way that was sort

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01:21:46,732 --> 01:21:50,532
Speaker 21: of like, I'm serious, was kind of joking, but actually like,

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01:21:50,933 --> 01:21:54,093
Speaker 21: you're on this team too, and so I suppose as

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Speaker 21: a parent, I always thought, well, totally, you know, like

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Speaker 21: if I'm not going to let him down, and I'm

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01:21:59,213 --> 01:22:01,173
Speaker 21: not going to let the team down because I'm part

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01:22:01,213 --> 01:22:04,852
Speaker 21: of the team. So I feel like coaches could, especially

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01:22:04,933 --> 01:22:07,012
Speaker 21: in a lot of the chat these referees are saying

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01:22:07,053 --> 01:22:10,492
Speaker 21: about the CTEAM, coaches could do a lot more to

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Speaker 21: stop behavior, you know, like pool players off the field

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01:22:14,933 --> 01:22:17,452
Speaker 21: and talk to them, stand them down for again themselves.

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01:22:17,532 --> 01:22:20,772
Speaker 21: Why are they waiting until the union does something? Why

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Speaker 21: not set the culture yourself?

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Speaker 3: I wondered though, if some referee. Some coaches, you know,

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01:22:26,732 --> 01:22:30,532
Speaker 3: they're VOLTI volunteering their time as well. They aren't really

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01:22:30,612 --> 01:22:32,732
Speaker 3: an authority figure a lot of them, a lot of

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01:22:32,772 --> 01:22:35,333
Speaker 3: them might potentially be scared themselves.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that it's not for the other team.

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Speaker 21: I'm supposed you don't go and sort of speak to

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Speaker 21: the other team. You're speaking to your own people. So

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Speaker 21: there's sort of like a level of you know, t

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01:22:45,293 --> 01:22:46,933
Speaker 21: among guys. We're a team, we're all part of it.

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01:22:46,933 --> 01:22:49,053
Speaker 21: And I suppose getting a culture takes a while, doesn't it.

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01:22:49,412 --> 01:22:51,333
Speaker 21: You know, you build the trust up from your parents

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01:22:51,372 --> 01:22:54,213
Speaker 21: and all that kind of thing. I'm not saying it's

1642
01:22:54,293 --> 01:22:57,532
Speaker 21: the it's the golden nugget, but it's something that I've

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01:22:57,652 --> 01:23:01,093
Speaker 21: seen that works really really well, and I think it's

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01:23:01,173 --> 01:23:03,173
Speaker 21: something that teams could try if stuff seen.

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01:23:03,333 --> 01:23:05,933
Speaker 3: There's so many amazing coaches out there that you just

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01:23:06,013 --> 01:23:08,812
Speaker 3: feel so incredibly grateful when your kids are on teams

1647
01:23:08,853 --> 01:23:10,293
Speaker 3: with them, and that if they put it in the

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01:23:10,333 --> 01:23:12,812
Speaker 3: time they take out of their life and the example

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01:23:12,893 --> 01:23:16,333
Speaker 3: they set. I've just felt so incredibly lucky with that

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01:23:16,612 --> 01:23:18,372
Speaker 3: people would take that much time out of their life.

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01:23:18,492 --> 01:23:21,253
Speaker 3: I mean, I've coached teams, but I've got to say

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01:23:21,372 --> 01:23:24,532
Speaker 3: of pretty average coach and maybe a terrible role model.

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01:23:24,532 --> 01:23:28,772
Speaker 3: But I've just I felt so grateful for coaches that

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01:23:28,853 --> 01:23:30,492
Speaker 3: have stepped up and done that for my kids. You

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01:23:30,612 --> 01:23:33,412
Speaker 3: just can't believe that the difference they've made.

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01:23:34,133 --> 01:23:36,293
Speaker 21: Probably to that note, I think one thing we don't

1657
01:23:36,333 --> 01:23:38,772
Speaker 21: do very well in New Zealand is actually, like when

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01:23:38,772 --> 01:23:42,372
Speaker 21: you see an example of good referenging. Our kids were

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01:23:42,452 --> 01:23:44,772
Speaker 21: playing down in a Stevens tournament a couple of months ago,

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01:23:44,893 --> 01:23:47,213
Speaker 21: and this one way they had was just brilliant, Like

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01:23:47,293 --> 01:23:50,293
Speaker 21: he was communicated with the kids, he was just he

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01:23:50,452 --> 01:23:52,772
Speaker 21: was just fantastic. And so I went up to the

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01:23:52,853 --> 01:23:55,173
Speaker 21: end of the tournament just mate, like you're really good

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01:23:55,213 --> 01:23:57,932
Speaker 21: at refereeing. You should keep it up, like doing great jobs.

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01:23:58,253 --> 01:24:00,612
Speaker 21: And the smile on his face was just like awesome,

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01:24:00,652 --> 01:24:02,572
Speaker 21: and the organizer was beside him. So I think people

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01:24:02,652 --> 01:24:04,772
Speaker 21: don't do that enough as well, like when you see

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01:24:05,333 --> 01:24:07,572
Speaker 21: great stuff, like just actually acknowledge it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely yeah.

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01:24:09,893 --> 01:24:12,452
Speaker 2: Haiti for the refs, And I know there's associations and

1671
01:24:12,492 --> 01:24:16,173
Speaker 2: local associations for volunteer refs, but do you think they

1672
01:24:16,333 --> 01:24:18,932
Speaker 2: need maybe a bit more power at the judiciary level

1673
01:24:18,933 --> 01:24:21,972
Speaker 2: when there is bad behavior when there's complaints made about

1674
01:24:22,173 --> 01:24:26,652
Speaker 2: threats that that association can come in with that support

1675
01:24:26,812 --> 01:24:31,372
Speaker 2: to potentially you know, have stronger bands or trying you know,

1676
01:24:31,612 --> 01:24:33,772
Speaker 2: a bit more teeth on this sort of behavior.

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01:24:34,492 --> 01:24:36,492
Speaker 21: Yeah, I think there's probably a few steps that that

1678
01:24:36,652 --> 01:24:40,013
Speaker 21: could happen before you get to sort of the severity

1679
01:24:40,053 --> 01:24:44,293
Speaker 21: of a judiciary. Like, for example, an idea of often

1680
01:24:44,372 --> 01:24:47,293
Speaker 21: thought about, like you know, in the age of technology

1681
01:24:47,372 --> 01:24:49,732
Speaker 21: these days, is there any way that unions could have

1682
01:24:49,812 --> 01:24:52,812
Speaker 21: an internal app with their referees where they rate the

1683
01:24:52,893 --> 01:24:56,652
Speaker 21: sportsmanship of a particular team week every team they referee

1684
01:24:56,692 --> 01:24:58,852
Speaker 21: week in and week out. And let's say it's one

1685
01:24:58,933 --> 01:25:03,293
Speaker 21: to five, a team gets and fives brilliant ones awful.

1686
01:25:03,492 --> 01:25:06,293
Speaker 21: Let's see a team gets two ones in a row. Well,

1687
01:25:06,372 --> 01:25:09,013
Speaker 21: then that then sort of sends an alert to the

1688
01:25:09,133 --> 01:25:10,893
Speaker 21: union to go, actually, we've got a problem with this

1689
01:25:11,053 --> 01:25:12,972
Speaker 21: team and we need to go and address it. Because

1690
01:25:12,973 --> 01:25:15,732
Speaker 21: one of the biggest problems for unions and all sports

1691
01:25:15,772 --> 01:25:18,932
Speaker 21: across the entire country is they don't have the staff

1692
01:25:19,013 --> 01:25:21,852
Speaker 21: to be dealing with these kinds of issues and they're

1693
01:25:21,893 --> 01:25:25,693
Speaker 21: already volunteer poor, right, So how can we use technology

1694
01:25:25,812 --> 01:25:28,053
Speaker 21: to kind of help us and give the reefs a

1695
01:25:28,093 --> 01:25:30,372
Speaker 21: little bit more power as well. So it wouldn't be

1696
01:25:30,492 --> 01:25:32,452
Speaker 21: something that was sort of open to the public because

1697
01:25:32,452 --> 01:25:36,053
Speaker 21: that would be an absolute nightmare, but something internal that

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01:25:36,173 --> 01:25:37,612
Speaker 21: could go to the union and sort of be like,

1699
01:25:37,652 --> 01:25:38,333
Speaker 21: we've actually.

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01:25:38,093 --> 01:25:38,932
Speaker 7: Got a problem with this team.

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01:25:39,053 --> 01:25:41,173
Speaker 21: Let's go and talk to them, sit down and have

1702
01:25:41,253 --> 01:25:43,812
Speaker 21: a beer maybe and kind of talk about the problems

1703
01:25:43,853 --> 01:25:46,452
Speaker 21: that we're seeing and let's try and fix it before

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01:25:46,492 --> 01:25:48,293
Speaker 21: we just go straight to the judiciary.

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01:25:49,013 --> 01:25:52,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, Haiti, great to chat with you. Thank you very

1706
01:25:52,333 --> 01:25:53,732
Speaker 2: much for giving us a bus. We're going to play

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01:25:53,732 --> 01:25:56,732
Speaker 2: some messages. It is quarter past three listening to Matt

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01:25:56,732 --> 01:25:57,532
Speaker 2: and Tyler. Good afternoon.

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01:25:57,612 --> 01:25:59,612
Speaker 3: Yet I'm getting a bit of abuse from my abuse

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01:25:59,692 --> 01:26:01,492
Speaker 3: of this text that I'd like to address when we

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01:26:01,612 --> 01:26:03,892
Speaker 3: come back, probably with some more abuse. With that extent,

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01:26:03,973 --> 01:26:04,732
Speaker 3: this is going to be good.

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01:26:07,013 --> 01:26:10,892
Speaker 2: Eighteen pass three. Now, before we went to the break,

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01:26:11,013 --> 01:26:14,253
Speaker 2: you mentioned that you've got some correspondence again on this

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01:26:14,692 --> 01:26:15,213
Speaker 2: one text.

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01:26:16,093 --> 01:26:17,492
Speaker 3: I mean, do we want to share the text again?

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01:26:18,692 --> 01:26:20,213
Speaker 2: You got to read it out. You got to read

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01:26:20,213 --> 01:26:20,492
Speaker 2: it out.

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01:26:21,333 --> 01:26:23,532
Speaker 3: If you are a crap reef, you get what you deserve,

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01:26:23,772 --> 01:26:25,772
Speaker 3: do a good job, no problems. If you are too

1721
01:26:25,853 --> 01:26:28,532
Speaker 3: soft to ref and take a bit of abuse. Don't

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01:26:28,612 --> 01:26:31,852
Speaker 3: do it. There are refs. These reefs aren't heroes. They

1723
01:26:31,893 --> 01:26:35,012
Speaker 3: are just trying to move up to make get famous.

1724
01:26:35,053 --> 01:26:37,812
Speaker 3: I've got every time I've read that out making get

1725
01:26:37,853 --> 01:26:41,772
Speaker 3: together and make money doing international games. I guarantee that

1726
01:26:42,093 --> 01:26:45,932
Speaker 3: was a shit call that got that reef and trouble.

1727
01:26:46,253 --> 01:26:48,732
Speaker 3: And I laid into that person saying that they were

1728
01:26:48,853 --> 01:26:52,133
Speaker 3: an idiot and a muppet and stupid and dumb and

1729
01:26:53,812 --> 01:26:57,812
Speaker 3: a massive example of what's wrong with thinking across the country.

1730
01:26:58,053 --> 01:26:59,932
Speaker 3: And that's helt fair when it came for that issue.

1731
01:27:01,213 --> 01:27:04,213
Speaker 3: And this business says, you can't just go abusing Texas

1732
01:27:04,333 --> 01:27:06,052
Speaker 3: met you don't know what is happening in their life.

1733
01:27:07,053 --> 01:27:09,173
Speaker 3: And this person is totally agree with those textings saying

1734
01:27:09,213 --> 01:27:11,732
Speaker 3: that you should be abusing a text while talking about

1735
01:27:11,772 --> 01:27:14,812
Speaker 3: people abusing refs. It's hypocritical. You need to grow up

1736
01:27:14,853 --> 01:27:17,013
Speaker 3: and stop abusing people, even if they are abusing you

1737
01:27:17,213 --> 01:27:19,572
Speaker 3: or refs. Well, I just want to say to all

1738
01:27:19,652 --> 01:27:22,053
Speaker 3: those texts, what you've just said is one of the

1739
01:27:22,093 --> 01:27:25,093
Speaker 3: most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no

1740
01:27:25,253 --> 01:27:28,732
Speaker 3: point in your rambling incoherent text were you even close

1741
01:27:28,812 --> 01:27:32,052
Speaker 3: to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone

1742
01:27:32,173 --> 01:27:34,492
Speaker 3: listening to the show is now dumber for having listened

1743
01:27:34,492 --> 01:27:37,652
Speaker 3: to your text. Okay, and then I'll just leave it at.

1744
01:27:37,532 --> 01:27:39,532
Speaker 2: That, Okay, yeah, yeah, nicely said. That's a good place

1745
01:27:39,572 --> 01:27:41,013
Speaker 2: to leave it. Tanya, how are you?

1746
01:27:41,853 --> 01:27:42,053
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1747
01:27:42,133 --> 01:27:44,093
Speaker 22: You know, hey, look, I don't support that text that

1748
01:27:44,253 --> 01:27:47,213
Speaker 22: came in that you read out. I've been watching my

1749
01:27:47,372 --> 01:27:49,892
Speaker 22: son ref He started repping when he was fifteen up

1750
01:27:49,933 --> 01:27:52,452
Speaker 22: in Auckland, actually, you know, and he's been repping for

1751
01:27:52,572 --> 01:27:55,253
Speaker 22: twenty five years. He's still repping now, and we've got

1752
01:27:55,293 --> 01:27:58,372
Speaker 22: to look after these reefs. I've watched him get abuse,

1753
01:27:58,812 --> 01:28:03,093
Speaker 22: fat on, people swearing at him, but he's continued on

1754
01:28:03,213 --> 01:28:05,452
Speaker 22: for the love of the game. And I just take

1755
01:28:05,492 --> 01:28:07,333
Speaker 22: my hat off to her. I mean, we're in the

1756
01:28:07,372 --> 01:28:09,692
Speaker 22: Hawk Spain now, and he was reffing as a fifteen

1757
01:28:09,772 --> 01:28:12,293
Speaker 22: year old. He went to King's College up there there

1758
01:28:12,293 --> 01:28:14,892
Speaker 22: and they supported them reffing at that age. And he's

1759
01:28:14,933 --> 01:28:18,492
Speaker 22: come right through. He's done super rugby. Now he's forty.

1760
01:28:18,652 --> 01:28:21,972
Speaker 22: He's doing club rugby here in Hawks Bay. He's copped

1761
01:28:22,013 --> 01:28:24,173
Speaker 22: a lot over the years and I've watched it, and

1762
01:28:24,333 --> 01:28:27,013
Speaker 22: you know, I have to walk away sometimes because of

1763
01:28:27,053 --> 01:28:30,732
Speaker 22: the people on the side. Parents. I've watched them ref

1764
01:28:31,293 --> 01:28:35,452
Speaker 22: schoolboy rugby right up to Super rugby and they cop

1765
01:28:35,492 --> 01:28:37,772
Speaker 22: a lot these refs and without the rest there would

1766
01:28:37,812 --> 01:28:39,852
Speaker 22: be no game. So we've got to look after them.

1767
01:28:40,293 --> 01:28:40,812
Speaker 14: And I've just.

1768
01:28:40,893 --> 01:28:43,932
Speaker 22: Watched it year after year, and even now I've watched

1769
01:28:43,973 --> 01:28:48,093
Speaker 22: my son. He's a volunteer for the Hawks bay he

1770
01:28:48,253 --> 01:28:50,852
Speaker 22: drives down to danny Burt, which is two hours away.

1771
01:28:50,933 --> 01:28:54,372
Speaker 22: They don't get any support until the end of the year.

1772
01:28:54,732 --> 01:28:56,692
Speaker 22: I think they've been you know, they've given such a

1773
01:28:56,732 --> 01:28:59,293
Speaker 22: bit of petrol money, but that's it, you know, And

1774
01:29:00,013 --> 01:29:02,893
Speaker 22: I just take my head off to the referees, you know,

1775
01:29:03,093 --> 01:29:05,972
Speaker 22: of the day and just seeing the abuse sy cop

1776
01:29:06,053 --> 01:29:08,812
Speaker 22: and I think now someone said it on the caller

1777
01:29:08,893 --> 01:29:11,973
Speaker 22: said our unions have to step up support the referees.

1778
01:29:13,372 --> 01:29:17,532
Speaker 22: I like the idea of red carding those that play

1779
01:29:17,612 --> 01:29:21,532
Speaker 22: up on the side, but yeah, I think coaches, managers,

1780
01:29:21,772 --> 01:29:25,652
Speaker 22: rugby unions and you set it yourself. New Zealand Rugby

1781
01:29:25,732 --> 01:29:28,133
Speaker 22: Union have to step up otherwise there won't be a game.

1782
01:29:28,333 --> 01:29:31,013
Speaker 22: And good on hood of for Noa for doing what

1783
01:29:31,133 --> 01:29:33,772
Speaker 22: they're doing. And I think we'll be seeing a lot

1784
01:29:33,853 --> 01:29:35,932
Speaker 22: more of that around the country. Because I mean here

1785
01:29:35,973 --> 01:29:39,372
Speaker 22: in the Hawk's Bay we had a firearm incident at

1786
01:29:39,412 --> 01:29:43,372
Speaker 22: one of the games last year. I know we're you

1787
01:29:43,452 --> 01:29:47,293
Speaker 22: know their firearm views, and I mean that's just ridiculous.

1788
01:29:47,452 --> 01:29:48,972
Speaker 22: We can't let it get out of control.

1789
01:29:49,293 --> 01:29:52,093
Speaker 3: Well, what a great call to end this subject on again.

1790
01:29:52,213 --> 01:29:54,733
Speaker 3: I just say good on your son. That is phenomenal

1791
01:29:55,013 --> 01:29:58,333
Speaker 3: and what he's done has helped so many people over

1792
01:29:58,412 --> 01:30:02,013
Speaker 3: the years, and you know, helped young people grow up

1793
01:30:02,093 --> 01:30:04,013
Speaker 3: and learn sports and ship and all that kind of

1794
01:30:04,013 --> 01:30:06,372
Speaker 3: stuff and without refs that that stuff doesn't happen. So

1795
01:30:06,412 --> 01:30:09,532
Speaker 3: you should be very very proud and and our nation

1796
01:30:09,572 --> 01:30:11,492
Speaker 3: should be really really thankful to people like your son

1797
01:30:11,572 --> 01:30:13,612
Speaker 3: that step up and go out of their way and sack.

1798
01:30:13,492 --> 01:30:14,612
Speaker 13: Flow street time crowd.

1799
01:30:14,812 --> 01:30:15,012
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1800
01:30:15,093 --> 01:30:18,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're great New Zealanders. Your son's a great New Zealander.

1801
01:30:18,492 --> 01:30:19,412
Speaker 3: Thank you for calling.

1802
01:30:19,572 --> 01:30:23,213
Speaker 2: Thanks Daranya. A couple of texts to the break. What

1803
01:30:23,333 --> 01:30:25,333
Speaker 2: about a dobb and knob website where you can send

1804
01:30:25,372 --> 01:30:27,652
Speaker 2: any recording of abuse from the sidelines and they get

1805
01:30:27,732 --> 01:30:28,692
Speaker 2: recarded for the season.

1806
01:30:29,093 --> 01:30:31,612
Speaker 3: Dobbin Nobin, dobyin Noben, Yeah, Dobin Owen, I like it.

1807
01:30:31,692 --> 01:30:33,333
Speaker 3: It's got a good ring to it. Dave Dobbin nowen,

1808
01:30:34,412 --> 01:30:35,572
Speaker 3: Sir Dave Dobbin, nomen.

1809
01:30:37,213 --> 01:30:37,372
Speaker 19: Right.

1810
01:30:37,652 --> 01:30:40,213
Speaker 2: I think that's where we'll leave it, because coming up,

1811
01:30:40,452 --> 01:30:42,452
Speaker 2: we've been talking about this for a couple of days

1812
01:30:42,532 --> 01:30:45,093
Speaker 2: and we're really keen to chat about it. Hoarders. If

1813
01:30:45,133 --> 01:30:47,492
Speaker 2: you're a hoarder, you've got a hoarder in your family, why,

1814
01:30:48,053 --> 01:30:49,972
Speaker 2: why do you do it? And how did you deal

1815
01:30:50,013 --> 01:30:51,812
Speaker 2: with it? Really keen Teava chat with you on OH

1816
01:30:51,853 --> 01:30:53,973
Speaker 2: eight hundred eighty ten eighty. There's been a lot of

1817
01:30:54,013 --> 01:30:56,412
Speaker 2: tips come through on hoarders already. We'll get to some

1818
01:30:56,492 --> 01:30:58,732
Speaker 2: of those very shortly. Twenty three past three.

1819
01:31:02,812 --> 01:31:06,492
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call OH eight hundred eighty

1820
01:31:06,572 --> 01:31:07,932
Speaker 1: ten eighty on news Talk.

1821
01:31:07,893 --> 01:31:10,253
Speaker 3: ZB twenty five past three.

1822
01:31:10,492 --> 01:31:13,293
Speaker 2: Thank you to everybody who called and and text us

1823
01:31:13,372 --> 01:31:16,293
Speaker 2: on the refrobuse discussion. Really enjoyed that. But this is

1824
01:31:16,372 --> 01:31:19,372
Speaker 2: going to be a great discussion hoarders. Nineteen complaints were

1825
01:31:19,372 --> 01:31:22,372
Speaker 2: made in one year about a house surrounded by hoarded

1826
01:31:22,412 --> 01:31:25,212
Speaker 2: goods before it caught fire at the weekend. So neighbors

1827
01:31:25,253 --> 01:31:28,853
Speaker 2: have been claiming sorry neighbors and locals have been complaining

1828
01:31:28,893 --> 01:31:32,532
Speaker 2: about this particular house and yard for the last few years,

1829
01:31:32,532 --> 01:31:35,213
Speaker 2: and they say that the council has done nothing to

1830
01:31:35,532 --> 01:31:39,093
Speaker 2: stop this particular person hoarding various things on their lawn

1831
01:31:39,572 --> 01:31:42,173
Speaker 2: and sadly it went up in fire. But we want

1832
01:31:42,213 --> 01:31:43,772
Speaker 2: to take it a bit wider than that and talk

1833
01:31:43,853 --> 01:31:46,412
Speaker 2: to you about hoarding yourself. If you are a hoarder,

1834
01:31:46,532 --> 01:31:49,372
Speaker 2: or you've got a hoarder in your family, why.

1835
01:31:50,013 --> 01:31:52,092
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you know a hoarder? Are you a hoarder?

1836
01:31:52,772 --> 01:31:54,612
Speaker 3: I'd like to talk to a hoarder, someone that will

1837
01:31:54,612 --> 01:31:57,173
Speaker 3: admit they are hoarder, or someone who was a hoarder,

1838
01:31:57,772 --> 01:31:59,892
Speaker 3: and if so, how do you stopped or how did

1839
01:32:00,013 --> 01:32:02,732
Speaker 3: you stop a friend or a family member, because hoarding

1840
01:32:02,812 --> 01:32:04,612
Speaker 3: does a lot of damage not just to the person

1841
01:32:04,812 --> 01:32:09,532
Speaker 3: that's hoarding, but to their family. If you've got parents

1842
01:32:09,612 --> 01:32:11,412
Speaker 3: that hoard and then the kids are embarrassed to bring

1843
01:32:11,452 --> 01:32:13,932
Speaker 3: people around to their house. I think hoarding isolates people

1844
01:32:13,933 --> 01:32:15,812
Speaker 3: as well. People to get embarrassed about their house. It's

1845
01:32:15,812 --> 01:32:17,692
Speaker 3: harder to get into their house, it's hard to find

1846
01:32:17,772 --> 01:32:20,452
Speaker 3: spaces about you. When you get to the point of

1847
01:32:20,772 --> 01:32:23,012
Speaker 3: really serious hoarding, like we've seen in those TV shows,

1848
01:32:23,053 --> 01:32:25,492
Speaker 3: you can't have friends around for dinner. Yeah, there's so

1849
01:32:25,652 --> 01:32:28,253
Speaker 3: much you can't do and then you know you might

1850
01:32:28,452 --> 01:32:30,732
Speaker 3: something might happen to you, and then you're your family

1851
01:32:30,812 --> 01:32:33,652
Speaker 3: and friends are expected to clean up the mess. Yeah,

1852
01:32:34,893 --> 01:32:36,892
Speaker 3: but what do you think people called tyler?

1853
01:32:37,333 --> 01:32:39,333
Speaker 2: What do you think it is even at the lower level.

1854
01:32:39,692 --> 01:32:44,213
Speaker 2: And I think sometimes I'm a borderline hoarder. But there's

1855
01:32:44,612 --> 01:32:47,572
Speaker 2: just some things that I can't bear to throw away

1856
01:32:47,652 --> 01:32:50,052
Speaker 2: because I think they will be useful in the future.

1857
01:32:50,213 --> 01:32:52,893
Speaker 2: Oh no, good, Yeah, we've got a hoarder here. So

1858
01:32:52,933 --> 01:32:54,812
Speaker 2: we've already talked about bits of wood, and you agree

1859
01:32:54,853 --> 01:32:56,293
Speaker 2: that bits of wood, you've got to have bits of word.

1860
01:32:56,333 --> 01:32:58,133
Speaker 2: You can't throw that away because that actually might come

1861
01:32:58,213 --> 01:33:00,772
Speaker 2: in handy. But just in the garage in general, if

1862
01:33:00,853 --> 01:33:04,572
Speaker 2: I've purchased something and I haven't used the rest of it,

1863
01:33:04,692 --> 01:33:09,012
Speaker 2: or there's little bits of plastin something. If I've purchased

1864
01:33:09,053 --> 01:33:11,652
Speaker 2: something and I haven't used the whole lot of it,

1865
01:33:11,732 --> 01:33:13,452
Speaker 2: then I'll keep it there. If there's little bits of

1866
01:33:13,492 --> 01:33:16,532
Speaker 2: plastic that have come and packaging cardboard boxes, I really

1867
01:33:16,572 --> 01:33:19,173
Speaker 2: want to keep ahold of those because they come and useful.

1868
01:33:19,333 --> 01:33:21,932
Speaker 2: I think eventually I've got about twenty boxes just sitting there.

1869
01:33:22,093 --> 01:33:23,852
Speaker 3: Well, we were talking about this earlier in the weekend,

1870
01:33:24,053 --> 01:33:26,652
Speaker 3: Carrie sent through that great video we should put it

1871
01:33:26,732 --> 01:33:30,933
Speaker 3: up on our Facebook page. So she sent through this

1872
01:33:31,053 --> 01:33:36,253
Speaker 3: video of just a father fight a son finally finds

1873
01:33:36,293 --> 01:33:38,133
Speaker 3: a need for something, a piece of wood that the

1874
01:33:38,173 --> 01:33:42,292
Speaker 3: father has hoarded for years. It's a great, absolute celebration

1875
01:33:42,412 --> 01:33:45,013
Speaker 3: about it. But you know, you've got to look as

1876
01:33:46,333 --> 01:33:49,853
Speaker 3: our friends the Buddhist steech. You know, if your positions

1877
01:33:50,093 --> 01:33:53,133
Speaker 3: own you. Yeah, your positions will start to own you.

1878
01:33:53,372 --> 01:33:55,893
Speaker 2: You're a minimalist, ye as they would say, mate, you

1879
01:33:56,013 --> 01:33:57,972
Speaker 2: love chucking things out clean?

1880
01:33:58,293 --> 01:34:00,093
Speaker 3: I love I will keep some bits of wood down

1881
01:34:00,133 --> 01:34:00,692
Speaker 3: the side of the house.

1882
01:34:00,692 --> 01:34:01,012
Speaker 5: I would.

1883
01:34:01,652 --> 01:34:03,532
Speaker 3: We can agree on that. From there. Everything I don't

1884
01:34:03,532 --> 01:34:05,253
Speaker 3: believe in keeping. I don't.

1885
01:34:05,293 --> 01:34:05,652
Speaker 7: You know, you.

1886
01:34:07,652 --> 01:34:10,772
Speaker 3: Put together a flat pack and then you know, some

1887
01:34:10,853 --> 01:34:13,812
Speaker 3: people keep the extra screws, the extra little bit. They'll

1888
01:34:13,893 --> 01:34:15,892
Speaker 3: keep the allen Keys. Yeah, I've got a full allo

1889
01:34:16,772 --> 01:34:19,572
Speaker 3: allen Key set. It just grows and grows and grows.

1890
01:34:19,612 --> 01:34:21,412
Speaker 3: You've just got to cut it off. You've got to

1891
01:34:21,532 --> 01:34:23,652
Speaker 3: cut the octopus's head off and throw it all out.

1892
01:34:24,013 --> 01:34:26,973
Speaker 2: The one thing that people think is quite weird is

1893
01:34:27,053 --> 01:34:29,253
Speaker 2: I haven't chucked out a pair of shoes for probably

1894
01:34:29,333 --> 01:34:31,652
Speaker 2: fifteen years. So they're just sitting there in a basket now.

1895
01:34:31,652 --> 01:34:33,213
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you why. It's almost like a Forest

1896
01:34:33,253 --> 01:34:36,612
Speaker 2: Gump situation. Is I like to think that those shoes

1897
01:34:36,732 --> 01:34:38,732
Speaker 2: they have been on journeys with me, and I just

1898
01:34:38,812 --> 01:34:41,852
Speaker 2: couldn't be that. They have stories to tell, those shoes

1899
01:34:41,933 --> 01:34:44,412
Speaker 2: and I couldn't bear to throw those shoes out. So

1900
01:34:44,412 --> 01:34:45,852
Speaker 2: I get a lot of stick about that, but I

1901
01:34:45,933 --> 01:34:47,893
Speaker 2: don't care. You know, They've been a part of my

1902
01:34:48,053 --> 01:34:50,213
Speaker 2: life for a long time. Each and every one of

1903
01:34:50,253 --> 01:34:51,092
Speaker 2: those pairs of shoes.

1904
01:34:51,213 --> 01:34:54,372
Speaker 3: They do not have personalities. They are not sentient, they

1905
01:34:54,412 --> 01:34:58,492
Speaker 3: don't mean anything. They are inanimate objects. You know, don't

1906
01:34:58,612 --> 01:35:01,412
Speaker 3: personify inanimate objects. They don't like it.

1907
01:35:01,933 --> 01:35:04,213
Speaker 2: But some of those shoes, man, they've got stories to tell.

1908
01:35:04,213 --> 01:35:06,253
Speaker 2: If they could speak, right, keen to hear from you

1909
01:35:06,372 --> 01:35:08,772
Speaker 2: on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you're horder,

1910
01:35:08,812 --> 01:35:10,173
Speaker 2: why are you doing? And if you've got one in

1911
01:35:10,253 --> 01:35:11,852
Speaker 2: your family, what were they hoarding?

1912
01:35:11,973 --> 01:35:12,173
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1913
01:35:12,173 --> 01:35:14,812
Speaker 3: And this Texas is from our good friend Mars Matt

1914
01:35:14,893 --> 01:35:17,372
Speaker 3: Definer hoarder. I'm a trader and I buy tools I

1915
01:35:17,492 --> 01:35:19,852
Speaker 3: might not ever use, or I can't throw materials away

1916
01:35:19,853 --> 01:35:24,093
Speaker 3: because it's surprising when you might one day need them. Yeah,

1917
01:35:24,173 --> 01:35:26,692
Speaker 3: look that's a good point. We'll define a hoarder next.

1918
01:35:26,853 --> 01:35:28,133
Speaker 3: What we think what a hoarder has? I got to

1919
01:35:28,133 --> 01:35:28,972
Speaker 3: think about it exactly.

1920
01:35:29,372 --> 01:35:31,452
Speaker 2: Hit headlines with railing coming up, then we'll take your

1921
01:35:31,532 --> 01:35:33,132
Speaker 2: callse on O one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

1922
01:35:35,652 --> 01:35:39,293
Speaker 15: Us talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxis it's

1923
01:35:39,452 --> 01:35:43,092
Speaker 15: no trouble with a blue bubble. MPs are sharing grief,

1924
01:35:43,412 --> 01:35:47,412
Speaker 15: memories and praise in Parliament now over the sudden death

1925
01:35:47,452 --> 01:35:51,172
Speaker 15: of the part de Mardi MP Takutai tash Camp overnight.

1926
01:35:51,692 --> 01:35:54,812
Speaker 15: The House will then adjourn for the day. Kemp's death

1927
01:35:55,053 --> 01:35:59,892
Speaker 15: triggers a by election in her Thomachimikodo seat. Stone Homeway

1928
01:35:59,933 --> 01:36:03,133
Speaker 15: twenty two is closed at Kartaka, south of Auckland after

1929
01:36:03,173 --> 01:36:06,333
Speaker 15: a two car crash that's critically injured one person and

1930
01:36:06,532 --> 01:36:11,173
Speaker 15: trap two were commercial Southland fishes and a cellar have

1931
01:36:11,293 --> 01:36:14,492
Speaker 15: been fined just under thirty seven thousand dollars for illegally

1932
01:36:14,612 --> 01:36:19,173
Speaker 15: selling large amounts of kinner power and blue cod Navy

1933
01:36:19,293 --> 01:36:23,293
Speaker 15: divers have successfully neutralized five World War II mines found

1934
01:36:23,333 --> 01:36:26,333
Speaker 15: on the floor of the Hodarchy golf in mart by

1935
01:36:26,412 --> 01:36:30,173
Speaker 15: flooding them with seawater weight loss drug we Go V

1936
01:36:30,412 --> 01:36:33,213
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1937
01:36:33,253 --> 01:36:38,333
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1938
01:36:38,452 --> 01:36:41,572
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1939
01:36:41,612 --> 01:36:44,412
Speaker 15: Herald Premium. Now back to Matteathan Tyler Adams.

1940
01:36:44,572 --> 01:36:47,692
Speaker 2: Thank you very much railing. An apology to you are Raylan,

1941
01:36:47,772 --> 01:36:49,692
Speaker 2: because I know you're ready to go as the traffic

1942
01:36:49,772 --> 01:36:52,772
Speaker 2: department that was out of action, So thank you very much.

1943
01:36:53,053 --> 01:36:56,052
Speaker 2: That is not a problem. We're always here to help Lucky.

1944
01:36:56,133 --> 01:36:56,492
Speaker 16: We have you.

1945
01:36:57,013 --> 01:36:58,412
Speaker 2: Right, we are talking about.

1946
01:36:58,293 --> 01:37:00,053
Speaker 3: I never said anything. I didn't blame you. That was

1947
01:37:00,093 --> 01:37:02,253
Speaker 3: Tyler that blamed you. I knew that you were in

1948
01:37:02,333 --> 01:37:02,692
Speaker 3: the right.

1949
01:37:02,973 --> 01:37:05,933
Speaker 2: Mid mea culpa. Thanks, Raylean, I love you. Right, we

1950
01:37:06,013 --> 01:37:09,412
Speaker 2: are talking about hoarders eighty ten eighties and umber to

1951
01:37:09,452 --> 01:37:10,092
Speaker 2: call four lines.

1952
01:37:10,173 --> 01:37:13,852
Speaker 3: And before the news I promised a definition of what

1953
01:37:13,973 --> 01:37:16,852
Speaker 3: we mean by hoarding, because it's not just keeping a

1954
01:37:16,893 --> 01:37:19,972
Speaker 3: few screws, you know, because you might need them later.

1955
01:37:20,173 --> 01:37:24,812
Speaker 3: Yeah different, It's not having multiple roles of saloitate that

1956
01:37:24,933 --> 01:37:25,692
Speaker 3: are half finished.

1957
01:37:25,973 --> 01:37:26,093
Speaker 8: You know.

1958
01:37:26,293 --> 01:37:29,372
Speaker 3: What it is is hoarding is might marked by an

1959
01:37:29,933 --> 01:37:33,412
Speaker 3: overwhelming desire to collect items and an inability to discard

1960
01:37:33,532 --> 01:37:36,013
Speaker 3: things that may seem useless to such a point that

1961
01:37:36,133 --> 01:37:39,253
Speaker 3: the collections call stress and start impacting a person's health,

1962
01:37:39,412 --> 01:37:43,092
Speaker 3: career or relationships there are. It all happens on a spectrum,

1963
01:37:43,133 --> 01:37:45,092
Speaker 3: you know, from Tyler who can't throw out his shoes,

1964
01:37:45,492 --> 01:37:46,693
Speaker 3: which is insane.

1965
01:37:46,933 --> 01:37:48,132
Speaker 2: That's close to that definition.

1966
01:37:48,293 --> 01:37:50,893
Speaker 3: But it's not quite damaging your life yet, is it?

1967
01:37:51,532 --> 01:37:51,572
Speaker 15: No?

1968
01:37:51,973 --> 01:37:52,333
Speaker 5: Not yet?

1969
01:37:52,532 --> 01:37:53,652
Speaker 2: Give it another fifteen years.

1970
01:37:54,933 --> 01:37:55,572
Speaker 3: Who you aren't.

1971
01:37:55,612 --> 01:37:58,972
Speaker 15: First of all, you're not even low lights gone talking, Megan,

1972
01:37:59,253 --> 01:38:00,452
Speaker 15: get your Bagia on.

1973
01:38:00,492 --> 01:38:03,572
Speaker 2: The But you're in your army now well Forest as

1974
01:38:03,652 --> 01:38:06,812
Speaker 2: far as Cump and his love of shoes, Hello, Matt,

1975
01:38:06,973 --> 01:38:07,692
Speaker 2: Welcome to the show.

1976
01:38:09,692 --> 01:38:09,892
Speaker 3: Matt.

1977
01:38:10,213 --> 01:38:11,652
Speaker 7: Yeah, ayday, guys, Yeah today.

1978
01:38:11,772 --> 01:38:12,933
Speaker 12: Hey, I've got a.

1979
01:38:12,973 --> 01:38:14,173
Speaker 13: Mother in law that's a hoarder.

1980
01:38:14,732 --> 01:38:17,012
Speaker 3: Oh how bad is it, Matt?

1981
01:38:18,973 --> 01:38:22,173
Speaker 12: I'd say she's a pretty bona fide hoarder. So lovely lady,

1982
01:38:22,253 --> 01:38:24,253
Speaker 12: of course, But she's been living on her own in

1983
01:38:24,293 --> 01:38:26,612
Speaker 12: a small house for the better part of forty years,

1984
01:38:26,732 --> 01:38:30,933
Speaker 12: and over the years she's accumulated all manner of magazines

1985
01:38:31,093 --> 01:38:34,772
Speaker 12: tell us sorry, newspapers, nick knacks, bits bobs, everything else

1986
01:38:34,812 --> 01:38:38,012
Speaker 12: that can sort of reach the ceiling. And my partner

1987
01:38:38,053 --> 01:38:40,612
Speaker 12: and I have spoken to her multiple times about letting

1988
01:38:40,692 --> 01:38:42,652
Speaker 12: us come in and help her clean a few things up.

1989
01:38:42,732 --> 01:38:45,772
Speaker 12: But we've come to the realization that all the stuff

1990
01:38:45,853 --> 01:38:48,253
Speaker 12: that to us appears to be just junk and rubbish

1991
01:38:48,253 --> 01:38:51,053
Speaker 12: actually gives her a great deal of comfort, and we

1992
01:38:51,173 --> 01:38:53,612
Speaker 12: sort of had to come to the just just sort

1993
01:38:53,612 --> 01:38:55,732
Speaker 12: of accept that. You know, if we were to take

1994
01:38:55,772 --> 01:38:58,372
Speaker 12: stuff away from her and remove it from her house,

1995
01:38:58,412 --> 01:39:00,772
Speaker 12: it would actually affect her mental health of it. And

1996
01:39:00,973 --> 01:39:03,452
Speaker 12: so she did allow us once to go in and

1997
01:39:03,492 --> 01:39:06,372
Speaker 12: clean up her kitchen, which was quite a quite an experience.

1998
01:39:07,053 --> 01:39:09,732
Speaker 12: There were all manner of things sort of expired up

1999
01:39:09,772 --> 01:39:12,612
Speaker 12: to about fifteen years, soy sauce and all sorts, so

2000
01:39:13,093 --> 01:39:14,892
Speaker 12: you don't even want to know about some of the smells.

2001
01:39:14,973 --> 01:39:18,692
Speaker 12: But everything else will just have to come and accept it, because, yeah,

2002
01:39:18,772 --> 01:39:21,532
Speaker 12: she just likes having this stuff there and she doesn't

2003
01:39:21,532 --> 01:39:23,173
Speaker 12: want it moved, and if it does get moved, she

2004
01:39:23,253 --> 01:39:24,052
Speaker 12: gets very upset.

2005
01:39:24,213 --> 01:39:26,253
Speaker 7: So I guess someone has different reasons.

2006
01:39:26,612 --> 01:39:31,452
Speaker 3: Is it affecting her life? Is it damaging her her life?

2007
01:39:32,652 --> 01:39:34,452
Speaker 12: It is a bit it's a double edged sword, mate,

2008
01:39:34,532 --> 01:39:37,412
Speaker 12: because as I said, she's been living by herself for

2009
01:39:37,412 --> 01:39:39,333
Speaker 12: a bitter part of forty years. I think she suffers

2010
01:39:39,372 --> 01:39:42,293
Speaker 12: from a bit of mild depression. But at the same time,

2011
01:39:42,333 --> 01:39:43,892
Speaker 12: because of all the stuff that she has in her house,

2012
01:39:43,933 --> 01:39:45,933
Speaker 12: she's reluctant to have people over, so it is a

2013
01:39:45,973 --> 01:39:49,692
Speaker 12: bit isolating. But again, when we've tried to approach her

2014
01:39:49,732 --> 01:39:54,692
Speaker 12: about helping her, she's absolutely staunchly against it. She just

2015
01:39:54,812 --> 01:39:57,772
Speaker 12: wants her things where they are and she doesn't want

2016
01:39:57,772 --> 01:39:59,253
Speaker 12: anyone to touch it. So it's a bit of an

2017
01:39:59,293 --> 01:39:59,892
Speaker 12: interesting one.

2018
01:40:00,133 --> 01:40:02,333
Speaker 3: Do you think if you just went in Matt and

2019
01:40:03,133 --> 01:40:06,333
Speaker 3: she was out or something, and you just cleared everything

2020
01:40:06,412 --> 01:40:10,492
Speaker 3: out so the house was nice, in pristine, all the

2021
01:40:10,532 --> 01:40:14,532
Speaker 3: smells were gone, she would have a breakdown, But you think,

2022
01:40:14,853 --> 01:40:17,013
Speaker 3: I don't know, would she come back? This is what

2023
01:40:17,133 --> 01:40:19,333
Speaker 3: I wonder. If you just did it, if they're there,

2024
01:40:19,412 --> 01:40:21,692
Speaker 3: it would hurt. But if you just did it, then

2025
01:40:21,853 --> 01:40:24,933
Speaker 3: once it's gone, she would rebuild her life in her

2026
01:40:24,973 --> 01:40:27,452
Speaker 3: life would be better. Maybe she'd be twenty four hours

2027
01:40:27,452 --> 01:40:30,293
Speaker 3: of pain, but you know, months and months and years.

2028
01:40:31,532 --> 01:40:31,812
Speaker 5: Mate.

2029
01:40:31,893 --> 01:40:34,933
Speaker 12: Look, we've talked about this, believe me, we certainly have,

2030
01:40:35,253 --> 01:40:37,293
Speaker 12: and we've been quite close to doing it a couple

2031
01:40:37,333 --> 01:40:40,492
Speaker 12: of times. But honestly, I think that she's just one

2032
01:40:40,532 --> 01:40:42,572
Speaker 12: of those people, and maybe a lot of other hoarders

2033
01:40:42,612 --> 01:40:45,173
Speaker 12: are that they just they're so accustomed to having all

2034
01:40:45,253 --> 01:40:47,652
Speaker 12: these things. Even though they might really add up to

2035
01:40:47,772 --> 01:40:50,053
Speaker 12: nothing and mean nothing, they mean something to her. And

2036
01:40:50,812 --> 01:40:53,812
Speaker 12: so we've decided against it because we think the fallout

2037
01:40:53,853 --> 01:40:56,812
Speaker 12: would be probably worse than what the benefit might be.

2038
01:40:57,772 --> 01:41:03,093
Speaker 3: Is it genetic as your wife exhibiting any hoarding tendencies.

2039
01:41:03,893 --> 01:41:06,052
Speaker 12: Minor tendencies which I'm trying to keep.

2040
01:41:05,933 --> 01:41:08,732
Speaker 3: In checks, get on top of it one, because I

2041
01:41:08,812 --> 01:41:10,972
Speaker 3: think you do have to live it in the bud

2042
01:41:11,133 --> 01:41:15,572
Speaker 3: because in my experience with hoarders, it becomes almost like

2043
01:41:15,772 --> 01:41:18,692
Speaker 3: the stuff. They personify it. As I was saying before,

2044
01:41:19,173 --> 01:41:21,612
Speaker 3: they feel they feel throwing it out. It's like throwing

2045
01:41:21,652 --> 01:41:22,933
Speaker 3: out It's like you know, when you're a kid and

2046
01:41:23,293 --> 01:41:25,053
Speaker 3: you think a teddy bear is real, and so if

2047
01:41:25,053 --> 01:41:27,412
Speaker 3: your parents took your parents took the teddy bear off

2048
01:41:27,452 --> 01:41:29,213
Speaker 3: you and throw it the rubbish, it would be like

2049
01:41:29,333 --> 01:41:33,372
Speaker 3: they were taking a real entity off you, a real person,

2050
01:41:33,452 --> 01:41:34,692
Speaker 3: if you will. And I think they do that with

2051
01:41:35,133 --> 01:41:37,972
Speaker 3: newspapers and even toilet rolls.

2052
01:41:38,572 --> 01:41:41,253
Speaker 12: Oh absolutely, Look, I mean yeah, without going into too

2053
01:41:41,333 --> 01:41:44,092
Speaker 12: much detail, you know, some of the really kind of pointless.

2054
01:41:44,213 --> 01:41:46,412
Speaker 12: You know, like items that you find for some reason,

2055
01:41:46,492 --> 01:41:48,213
Speaker 12: like I say, bring her a great deal of comfort

2056
01:41:48,372 --> 01:41:51,213
Speaker 12: knowing that they are there. So whether she's personified them

2057
01:41:51,532 --> 01:41:53,732
Speaker 12: or she puts extra value on them, not sure, but

2058
01:41:54,093 --> 01:41:56,133
Speaker 12: I think that's the root of why she does it.

2059
01:41:56,213 --> 01:41:57,772
Speaker 12: It just gives her comfort, you know.

2060
01:41:58,253 --> 01:41:58,492
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2061
01:41:59,093 --> 01:42:02,093
Speaker 3: Oh, well, good luck with that. I mean, it's the

2062
01:42:02,173 --> 01:42:04,092
Speaker 3: thing that you have to spend your time worrying about

2063
01:42:04,133 --> 01:42:07,333
Speaker 3: and what you should do about it is kind of

2064
01:42:07,372 --> 01:42:09,333
Speaker 3: even though it's not making a heavy toll on you,

2065
01:42:09,492 --> 01:42:12,452
Speaker 3: that does weigh on family members' minds. So there is

2066
01:42:12,812 --> 01:42:15,692
Speaker 3: Oh it does. Yeah, yeah, thank you so much for

2067
01:42:15,732 --> 01:42:16,812
Speaker 3: your call, Matt. Thanks for sharing.

2068
01:42:16,893 --> 01:42:18,932
Speaker 2: But it seems like Matt's picked the right balance there

2069
01:42:19,372 --> 01:42:23,052
Speaker 2: of if it brings her comfort and if they clean

2070
01:42:23,093 --> 01:42:25,652
Speaker 2: it all up and make the house smell beautiful and

2071
01:42:25,772 --> 01:42:28,772
Speaker 2: the mother in law has a breakdown, yeah, then the easiest,

2072
01:42:28,893 --> 01:42:31,173
Speaker 2: the path of least resistance is just let a hoard,

2073
01:42:31,452 --> 01:42:32,492
Speaker 2: Just let it keep the newspaper.

2074
01:42:32,572 --> 01:42:35,253
Speaker 3: But it can be unhealthy. It can be a fire risk,

2075
01:42:35,293 --> 01:42:37,692
Speaker 3: and it isolates people. People can't come around to the house.

2076
01:42:37,732 --> 01:42:39,932
Speaker 3: There is a serious risk of it. If there's bad smells,

2077
01:42:39,933 --> 01:42:43,093
Speaker 3: it can be stuff that's rotting there. You know, there

2078
01:42:43,133 --> 01:42:45,253
Speaker 3: can be a bad side to it. It's not just

2079
01:42:45,692 --> 01:42:50,412
Speaker 3: they love their stuff. Yeah, it shrinks their world. Speaking

2080
01:42:50,452 --> 01:42:52,492
Speaker 3: of which, shrinking the world, I'm annoyed at you, Tyler,

2081
01:42:52,492 --> 01:42:53,893
Speaker 3: because I made quite a good joke for and you

2082
01:42:53,933 --> 01:42:55,093
Speaker 3: didn't even notice it. Will laugh?

2083
01:42:55,612 --> 01:42:58,452
Speaker 2: Tell me again, I see it. This happens often, folks.

2084
01:42:58,772 --> 01:43:01,452
Speaker 2: This is my day and life.

2085
01:43:01,973 --> 01:43:06,293
Speaker 3: I'll share it next. Okay, I'm feeling emotionally under pressure

2086
01:43:06,333 --> 01:43:07,372
Speaker 3: for you're not laughing at my joke.

2087
01:43:07,372 --> 01:43:12,013
Speaker 1: It's twenty to four, your home of afternoon talk, Mad

2088
01:43:12,093 --> 01:43:15,852
Speaker 1: Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons call, Oh eight hundred eighty ten

2089
01:43:15,933 --> 01:43:17,372
Speaker 1: eighty news Talk said.

2090
01:43:17,213 --> 01:43:19,652
Speaker 2: Be seventeen to four.

2091
01:43:20,253 --> 01:43:23,772
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm sitting it's basically workplace of bullying. Bullying. You're

2092
01:43:23,772 --> 01:43:24,612
Speaker 3: not laughing at my jokes?

2093
01:43:24,612 --> 01:43:24,852
Speaker 16: Title?

2094
01:43:24,933 --> 01:43:26,412
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know you've put on a note with HR.

2095
01:43:26,452 --> 01:43:27,892
Speaker 2: So I've got a meeting after the show to talk

2096
01:43:27,893 --> 01:43:28,213
Speaker 2: about this.

2097
01:43:28,372 --> 01:43:31,492
Speaker 3: Okay, So I'll have to deliver my joke again. Yeah, right,

2098
01:43:31,532 --> 01:43:33,452
Speaker 3: here we go, and if you don't laughs time, then

2099
01:43:33,772 --> 01:43:34,732
Speaker 3: I'm taking it upstairs.

2100
01:43:34,812 --> 01:43:35,092
Speaker 2: Okay.

2101
01:43:35,173 --> 01:43:38,812
Speaker 3: Okay, you were talking about your shoes, yes, and I said,

2102
01:43:39,732 --> 01:43:43,213
Speaker 3: don't personify your shoes, Tyler. They don't like it.

2103
01:43:44,692 --> 01:43:46,532
Speaker 2: Well, see the reason I didn't laugh and it went

2104
01:43:46,572 --> 01:43:48,213
Speaker 2: over my head. That's quite a lad joke, you know.

2105
01:43:48,333 --> 01:43:51,333
Speaker 2: There's there's there's some elements to that joke, and it

2106
01:43:51,412 --> 01:43:51,972
Speaker 2: was quite clever.

2107
01:43:52,213 --> 01:43:55,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, because they don't like it means that I'm personifying

2108
01:43:55,893 --> 01:43:58,133
Speaker 3: it's a real crack up. Welcome to the show, Greg.

2109
01:43:59,452 --> 01:44:02,333
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't know if you remember. I'm handing in

2110
01:44:02,372 --> 01:44:04,133
Speaker 7: a run around it. And I was employed one day

2111
01:44:04,253 --> 01:44:07,652
Speaker 7: by the children to go round to the months and

2112
01:44:07,692 --> 01:44:10,532
Speaker 7: the mum was about eighty to try and, in their words,

2113
01:44:10,612 --> 01:44:14,012
Speaker 7: clean some stuff out. And I went into this house

2114
01:44:14,412 --> 01:44:17,333
Speaker 7: and the foire was immaculate in the kitchen and the

2115
01:44:17,372 --> 01:44:19,013
Speaker 7: lounge was an accident. And I talked to him and

2116
01:44:19,093 --> 01:44:22,652
Speaker 7: she was really upset that the kids have employed me

2117
01:44:22,772 --> 01:44:25,293
Speaker 7: to sort of help clean some stuff out, you know,

2118
01:44:25,452 --> 01:44:29,372
Speaker 7: and she was it was obviously a massive problem in

2119
01:44:29,452 --> 01:44:31,532
Speaker 7: the family, you know, and she wouldn't talk to the

2120
01:44:31,612 --> 01:44:34,452
Speaker 7: kids anymore. But I sort of couldn't really understand what

2121
01:44:34,612 --> 01:44:36,452
Speaker 7: was going on. I said, okay, well let's let's have

2122
01:44:36,492 --> 01:44:38,692
Speaker 7: a quick look around the house and we'll start to

2123
01:44:38,732 --> 01:44:42,213
Speaker 7: want to clean some stuff out. And the first bedroom

2124
01:44:42,253 --> 01:44:45,532
Speaker 7: I couldn't open the door because it was piled to

2125
01:44:45,732 --> 01:44:49,492
Speaker 7: the ceiling of stuff that she's been collected. And then

2126
01:44:49,532 --> 01:44:52,732
Speaker 7: the next bedroom piled to the ceilings, a third bedroom.

2127
01:44:52,973 --> 01:44:55,173
Speaker 7: And this is a really nice house in Lower Heart

2128
01:44:57,013 --> 01:45:00,092
Speaker 7: I'm not going to say exactly where, but multimillion dollar house.

2129
01:45:02,173 --> 01:45:05,013
Speaker 7: She she there was obviously a serious musical problem. I

2130
01:45:05,053 --> 01:45:06,812
Speaker 7: felt so sorry for her, but it was it was

2131
01:45:06,893 --> 01:45:12,893
Speaker 7: a real fire hazard. The lounge under the lounge, the

2132
01:45:12,973 --> 01:45:15,412
Speaker 7: garret would have been about six meters like eight meters,

2133
01:45:15,612 --> 01:45:19,572
Speaker 7: so the burg almost a triple sized garage. And that

2134
01:45:19,893 --> 01:45:23,253
Speaker 7: was except for the little walkways around where you could walk,

2135
01:45:23,652 --> 01:45:26,452
Speaker 7: was full to the ceiling of stuff. I pulled out

2136
01:45:26,532 --> 01:45:29,212
Speaker 7: fifteen brand new toasters in their boxes.

2137
01:45:29,933 --> 01:45:30,572
Speaker 8: Woh, you know.

2138
01:45:31,812 --> 01:45:34,173
Speaker 7: You know there was a massive pile of soft toys

2139
01:45:34,213 --> 01:45:36,173
Speaker 7: that she was buying things with her brand kids, and

2140
01:45:36,253 --> 01:45:39,572
Speaker 7: all her grandkids were sort of fifteen to twenty five

2141
01:45:39,692 --> 01:45:42,053
Speaker 7: years old, I found from that, you know, but she's

2142
01:45:42,093 --> 01:45:43,293
Speaker 7: still buying soft toys to.

2143
01:45:43,333 --> 01:45:47,572
Speaker 3: The It was one, one, two toasters. Sure, how do

2144
01:45:47,652 --> 01:45:51,173
Speaker 3: you get up to fifteen toasters without around toaster? Seven?

2145
01:45:51,333 --> 01:45:51,572
Speaker 5: Going?

2146
01:45:51,732 --> 01:45:53,652
Speaker 3: We've already got another sex you know, you know what

2147
01:45:53,692 --> 01:45:54,093
Speaker 3: I'm saying.

2148
01:45:55,372 --> 01:45:57,532
Speaker 7: Almost All the stuff that I saw was brand new,

2149
01:45:57,853 --> 01:46:01,452
Speaker 7: you know, it was on special. Yeah, and so she'd

2150
01:46:01,492 --> 01:46:04,532
Speaker 7: see a bargain. Yeah, well that's a cheap closer. I'm

2151
01:46:04,572 --> 01:46:06,372
Speaker 7: buying that. And then she just put it on the

2152
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Speaker 7: pile somewhere and they were talk together, all just scattered

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Speaker 7: all through this garret. There was a there was a

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Speaker 7: brand new barbecue, and the and the guest one that

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01:46:14,173 --> 01:46:16,973
Speaker 7: had expired fifteen years before. But the barbieul had never

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01:46:17,093 --> 01:46:20,093
Speaker 7: been used. Wow, And I said, you can't. You can't

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Speaker 7: keep this full guest bottom here. It's it's a bomb,

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Speaker 7: you know, it's never been used. It's good. We'll sell it,

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Speaker 7: will sell it, you know. And I did my best

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Speaker 7: for about three or four hours when outside, had a

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Speaker 7: quick cup of coffee in the van, and while I

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01:46:34,253 --> 01:46:36,013
Speaker 7: was so, I've been throwing stuff in a skip that

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01:46:36,093 --> 01:46:38,612
Speaker 7: the kids had organized. And when I went came back,

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01:46:38,812 --> 01:46:40,852
Speaker 7: she was in the skip throwing stuff back out into

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Speaker 7: the garrete.

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Speaker 3: Oh god, you know.

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Speaker 7: Yeah it was and it was obviously a massive problem

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Speaker 7: for the family. So I did the best I could. Yeah,

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01:46:51,013 --> 01:46:53,173
Speaker 7: this this and obviously something.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, not quite right.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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01:46:56,173 --> 01:46:58,372
Speaker 3: It's a sort of some kind of sort of almost

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01:46:58,372 --> 01:47:01,852
Speaker 3: suicidal empathy you have that you your empathy gets just

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01:47:01,933 --> 01:47:04,852
Speaker 3: spread around all these objects that you need to keep.

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01:47:05,412 --> 01:47:08,173
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think you and then your identity gets

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01:47:08,372 --> 01:47:09,013
Speaker 3: attached to them.

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Speaker 2: It's it's a super MPF path almost, isn't it.

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Speaker 7: But what do you do?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I feel for But the weird thing is

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01:47:14,612 --> 01:47:17,812
Speaker 3: that often so your your love of these objects and

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01:47:17,853 --> 01:47:20,253
Speaker 3: you need to keep these objects pushes your family away,

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01:47:20,333 --> 01:47:25,173
Speaker 3: the real people. It's crazy. Yeah, crazy situation. I had this,

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Speaker 3: you know. The sale thing's an interesting one. I had

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Speaker 3: someone in my life who turned up with a toilet

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01:47:32,652 --> 01:47:35,293
Speaker 3: that that was they bought for one dollar and it

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Speaker 3: was just on our deck and there's a toilet and

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01:47:38,532 --> 01:47:40,652
Speaker 3: I was like, there was I got it? Why because

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Speaker 3: it's a dollar? And I was like, but we don't

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01:47:42,452 --> 01:47:44,772
Speaker 3: need a toilet. That is a good toilet, and it's

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01:47:44,812 --> 01:47:46,492
Speaker 3: a good deal. But if you don't need a toilet,

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01:47:46,532 --> 01:47:47,772
Speaker 3: then it's not a good deal because now you've got

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Speaker 3: a toilet sitting here on your deck that you didn't need.

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Speaker 2: If you know what I'm saying, I'd buy a toilet

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01:47:50,853 --> 01:47:52,972
Speaker 2: for a dollar. Go on, how often do you see

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01:47:52,973 --> 01:47:55,133
Speaker 2: a toilet for a dollar? Maybe this is more about

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01:47:55,173 --> 01:47:58,093
Speaker 2: me right, Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is

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01:47:58,133 --> 01:47:59,572
Speaker 2: the number to call if you ought to say to

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01:47:59,612 --> 01:48:01,452
Speaker 2: teach you more than welcome. Nine to nine two are

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Speaker 2: you a hoarder? Or do you have a hoarder and

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01:48:03,452 --> 01:48:04,812
Speaker 2: your family love to hear from you?

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Speaker 3: It is thirteen to four.

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Speaker 1: The big stories are big issues, to the big trends

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01:48:10,492 --> 01:48:14,173
Speaker 1: and everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons

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01:48:14,492 --> 01:48:16,733
Speaker 1: used Talk zed B News.

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Speaker 2: Talk zed B. We are talking about hoarders now. Just

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01:48:19,572 --> 01:48:21,532
Speaker 2: before we carry on with some more phone calls. You

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01:48:21,572 --> 01:48:23,612
Speaker 2: mentioned before the joke that I Missmat and it was

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01:48:23,772 --> 01:48:26,572
Speaker 2: very layered joke and very clever, but a text that

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Speaker 2: just came through, and oh we've had so many, but

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01:48:29,532 --> 01:48:30,053
Speaker 2: I've just lost it.

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01:48:30,133 --> 01:48:30,452
Speaker 7: Here it is.

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01:48:31,492 --> 01:48:34,692
Speaker 2: It's Tracy Tyler. I know you're paying if you If

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01:48:34,732 --> 01:48:37,412
Speaker 2: I don't laugh for acknowledge knowledge Matt's shit jokes, he

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01:48:37,492 --> 01:48:40,173
Speaker 2: throws a tanty and that is from none other than

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01:48:40,213 --> 01:48:41,612
Speaker 2: your Tracy, Matt my partner.

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01:48:41,732 --> 01:48:46,692
Speaker 3: Yeah, she texted you that. Yeah, that's the betrayal. That's

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01:48:46,692 --> 01:48:49,772
Speaker 3: also not true. All my jokes are absolute crack up.

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01:48:49,772 --> 01:48:51,852
Speaker 3: But there's never a situation where people aren't laughing at them.

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01:48:52,333 --> 01:48:55,293
Speaker 3: This Texas says, my mother and UK won't throw anything away.

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01:48:56,293 --> 01:48:58,812
Speaker 3: Her garden she had was full, so she got another one.

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01:48:59,053 --> 01:49:02,653
Speaker 3: She now has nine chids. We've told her to start downsizing,

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01:49:02,732 --> 01:49:04,532
Speaker 3: but she laughs and says it will be our problem.

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01:49:06,492 --> 01:49:07,213
Speaker 2: I like his style.

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01:49:07,372 --> 01:49:10,053
Speaker 3: She's not only hoarding stuff, she's hoarding stuff to put

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01:49:10,093 --> 01:49:10,532
Speaker 3: the stuff in.

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01:49:11,452 --> 01:49:14,293
Speaker 2: At his next level day, Dave.

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Speaker 20: Hello there.

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01:49:16,492 --> 01:49:19,492
Speaker 23: Yes, my mum's a hoarder. We had to move her

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01:49:19,532 --> 01:49:22,893
Speaker 23: out of a family home and bring us to a

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01:49:23,133 --> 01:49:26,093
Speaker 23: retirement place. But for example, you know the hearing aid

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01:49:26,133 --> 01:49:28,852
Speaker 23: batches that you have in your hearing aids. We found

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01:49:29,772 --> 01:49:32,452
Speaker 23: probably too jugsful of over I don't know how many

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01:49:32,492 --> 01:49:35,692
Speaker 23: years you've been keeping them. You know, the cable tires

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01:49:35,732 --> 01:49:37,612
Speaker 23: and the twist you have any bread and all that

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01:49:37,652 --> 01:49:40,213
Speaker 23: sort of thing. Donuts, I found over a bucket and

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01:49:40,213 --> 01:49:44,973
Speaker 23: a half. Wow, check books that go back to in

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01:49:45,053 --> 01:49:49,213
Speaker 23: the sixties. I found twenty five passports. You know, it's

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01:49:49,253 --> 01:49:51,372
Speaker 23: just sort of yeah, she just just doesn't get rid

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01:49:51,372 --> 01:49:54,293
Speaker 23: of anything. So cost a lot of money get it

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Speaker 23: atle sorted out in the end. But yeah, we got

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01:49:56,572 --> 01:49:58,852
Speaker 23: to We've got a company and called Elderly As Sisters

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01:49:58,893 --> 01:50:01,173
Speaker 23: that where they called him awkor yeah, but they came in,

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01:50:01,253 --> 01:50:02,893
Speaker 23: but they did a lot of stuff. It was like

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01:50:03,093 --> 01:50:05,572
Speaker 23: it was just here was like forty thousand there, but

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01:50:05,732 --> 01:50:07,412
Speaker 23: that included a lot of stuff outside, Like there was

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01:50:07,732 --> 01:50:11,253
Speaker 23: seven there were seven vanloads of stuff outside that had

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01:50:11,253 --> 01:50:11,772
Speaker 23: to be removed.

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Speaker 2: You know, did you know this about your mother before

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01:50:14,973 --> 01:50:17,093
Speaker 2: you had to sort of clean that stuff up or

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Speaker 2: you had no idea?

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Speaker 23: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, she's she's a widow. So

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01:50:21,933 --> 01:50:24,572
Speaker 23: you know there were magazine poles that everywhere. You couldn't

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01:50:24,572 --> 01:50:27,812
Speaker 23: get anywhere, you know. So we've been saying it for

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01:50:27,893 --> 01:50:30,372
Speaker 23: some time. You know, you've got to downsize, man, You've

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Speaker 23: got to downsize. Then she has had a week and

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01:50:33,053 --> 01:50:34,692
Speaker 23: we've then brought things forward to either hand to go

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01:50:34,772 --> 01:50:38,772
Speaker 23: up there and speed things up. So but yeah, just

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01:50:39,452 --> 01:50:41,293
Speaker 23: and of course, you know, anything she wants to go

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01:50:41,333 --> 01:50:43,253
Speaker 23: to a market or a second hand shop, she comes

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01:50:43,293 --> 01:50:45,852
Speaker 23: back with a bag full of stuff. You know, can't

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01:50:45,853 --> 01:50:46,333
Speaker 23: help herself.

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01:50:46,612 --> 01:50:51,932
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's it seems to be see now nearly

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01:50:51,973 --> 01:50:55,812
Speaker 3: everyone that's that we've heard this hoarding has been older woman,

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01:50:55,893 --> 01:50:58,892
Speaker 3: hasn't it? But is that because the men that are

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01:50:58,933 --> 01:51:01,732
Speaker 3: hoarding think that they're just holding useful stuff like wood

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01:51:01,812 --> 01:51:03,772
Speaker 3: and corrugated and nailed.

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01:51:04,133 --> 01:51:06,612
Speaker 2: That's exactly what's happened. But how do you I mean,

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01:51:06,772 --> 01:51:08,892
Speaker 2: I can see the difficulty in shedding to your parents

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01:51:08,973 --> 01:51:12,652
Speaker 2: or your mother about having a hoarding problem. I wouldn't

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01:51:12,652 --> 01:51:14,333
Speaker 2: know where to start with that conversation. It would be

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01:51:14,412 --> 01:51:17,812
Speaker 2: incredibly difficult. And as a previous caller Matt said with

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01:51:17,893 --> 01:51:20,333
Speaker 2: his mother in law, sometimes the path of least resistance,

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01:51:20,372 --> 01:51:21,733
Speaker 2: if it gives them comfort.

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01:51:21,933 --> 01:51:26,053
Speaker 3: That can be you know, a decision, but it can

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01:51:26,133 --> 01:51:29,492
Speaker 3: be a health risk. Fire risk, can isolate them from people.

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01:51:29,572 --> 01:51:31,253
Speaker 3: They get a shamed to bring people around the house.

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01:51:31,293 --> 01:51:33,492
Speaker 3: So it does have a result. I think you need

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01:51:33,612 --> 01:51:36,053
Speaker 3: to tyler as a potential hoarder. You do the five

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01:51:36,133 --> 01:51:39,852
Speaker 3: second test regularly. You pick things up and you go.

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01:51:39,933 --> 01:51:41,812
Speaker 3: If you can't justify having it in five seconds, you

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01:51:41,893 --> 01:51:42,452
Speaker 3: have to throw it out.

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01:51:42,893 --> 01:51:44,572
Speaker 2: Well, my shoes are easy. They've all got a story.

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01:51:44,612 --> 01:51:48,333
Speaker 2: And I've told you that we got time for one

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01:51:48,372 --> 01:51:50,692
Speaker 2: more caller. Yeah, Phil, you reckon. You're a bit of

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01:51:50,772 --> 01:51:51,812
Speaker 2: a hoarder yourself.

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01:51:53,333 --> 01:51:54,732
Speaker 13: Sure sure, just got it.

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01:51:56,173 --> 01:51:59,572
Speaker 20: Yes, sorry, Matt. That Joe kind of went over my

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01:51:59,732 --> 01:52:01,852
Speaker 20: head as well. I'm not the smartest man in the world.

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01:52:01,933 --> 01:52:04,932
Speaker 2: So sorry, I don't know what that says about me. Well,

2290
01:52:04,973 --> 01:52:05,972
Speaker 2: but anyway, carry.

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01:52:05,732 --> 01:52:10,133
Speaker 20: Home mate, But yeah, yeah, yeah, I'd have to say

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01:52:10,173 --> 01:52:14,852
Speaker 20: I'm a bit of a hoarder, and for for me,

2293
01:52:15,732 --> 01:52:20,013
Speaker 20: it's some of it to do with I'm big on recycling,

2294
01:52:20,053 --> 01:52:23,492
Speaker 20: and I just hate the idea of just throwing something

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01:52:23,572 --> 01:52:26,812
Speaker 20: in the landfall with rather than trying to recycle it

2296
01:52:26,973 --> 01:52:30,492
Speaker 20: or you know, get it broken down and like electronics

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01:52:30,572 --> 01:52:33,772
Speaker 20: and get the parts recycled and just everything. Like even

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01:52:33,933 --> 01:52:36,772
Speaker 20: just so I'll hang on to a lot of rubbish

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01:52:36,853 --> 01:52:38,652
Speaker 20: because I keep thinking I'm going try and find a

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01:52:38,692 --> 01:52:40,652
Speaker 20: way to recycle it. But then of course it starts

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01:52:40,692 --> 01:52:42,772
Speaker 20: building up with a big pile and that sort of thing,

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01:52:42,853 --> 01:52:43,013
Speaker 20: you know.

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01:52:43,452 --> 01:52:44,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's a.

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01:52:44,213 --> 01:52:46,492
Speaker 3: Slippery soap there. Film, Yes, so run out of time.

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01:52:46,532 --> 01:52:48,253
Speaker 3: We could talk about hoarding for ages. There's so many

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01:52:48,293 --> 01:52:50,732
Speaker 3: calls coming through in phones, so sorry to film.

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01:52:50,893 --> 01:52:53,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, we might have to bring that back because we've

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01:52:53,293 --> 01:52:56,012
Speaker 2: had thousands of text and the phone lines you couldn't

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01:52:56,013 --> 01:52:56,372
Speaker 2: get through.

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Speaker 3: But that and also the thing is, Tyler, you can't

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01:52:59,333 --> 01:53:01,492
Speaker 3: throw out shoes because shoes have soles.

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01:53:03,372 --> 01:53:03,532
Speaker 14: There.

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01:53:03,612 --> 01:53:04,492
Speaker 2: I laughed at that one.

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01:53:04,692 --> 01:53:06,812
Speaker 3: Yeah, anyway, I saw that one of a text, Hey,

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01:53:06,973 --> 01:53:08,652
Speaker 3: I thank you so much all your great us for

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01:53:08,692 --> 01:53:10,412
Speaker 3: listening to the show. Thanks so much for all your

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01:53:10,452 --> 01:53:12,093
Speaker 3: calls and texts. We've had a great time chatting. I

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01:53:12,133 --> 01:53:14,173
Speaker 3: hope you have too. The metin Tile Afternoons podcast will

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01:53:14,173 --> 01:53:16,052
Speaker 3: be out in about an hour. So if you missed

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Speaker 3: our chats on whether New Zealander is doing enough to

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01:53:18,093 --> 01:53:22,012
Speaker 3: prepare for a northern hemisphere and nuclear war, ref abuse

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01:53:22,133 --> 01:53:24,932
Speaker 3: or hoarders, then check out our podcast where you get

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01:53:24,933 --> 01:53:27,812
Speaker 3: your podcasts here, The Dupeles the Ellen is up next.

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01:53:27,853 --> 01:53:30,372
Speaker 3: But right now, Tyler, why am I playing this song

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Speaker 3: from Dave.

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01:53:31,133 --> 01:53:34,212
Speaker 2: Dobbin Dave Dobbin Oh, because we were talking about abusive

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01:53:34,253 --> 01:53:40,533
Speaker 2: referees and someone said dobb a dobbin hobbin dobbin nicely.

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Speaker 3: Until tomorrow afternoon, Where have you are? What have you doing?

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Speaker 3: Give a taste of Kei We from us, Love.

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Speaker 5: Yours, Madam Tyler Tyler

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