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Speaker 1: In Italy. Joe mckinna, very good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Mike.

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Speaker 1: What's been like these last couple of days.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's been crazy and not a lot of sleep.

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Speaker 2: Incredible scenes at the Vatican. I'm still here right now,

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Speaker 2: and I can tell you there are thousands of people

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Speaker 2: lining up to go in and see Pope Francis lying

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Speaker 2: in state inside Saint Peter's Basilica. Around twenty thousand people

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Speaker 2: have already been in today, and the Vatican is looking

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Speaker 2: at keeping that the doors open past midnight tonight because

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Speaker 2: there are so many people who want to go in

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Speaker 2: there and have a look.

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Speaker 1: I'm assuming it's a well oiled machine.

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Speaker 2: Well we're hoping, I mean I live in hope that

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Speaker 2: it's a well oiled machine. There are some minor things

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Speaker 2: that need to be worked out, like working out how

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Speaker 2: he's going to be moved, because his desire is to

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Speaker 2: be buried at Saint Mary Major, the basilica on the

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Speaker 2: other side of the city. And tonight the Vatican said

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Speaker 2: they're working out the security arrangements. Incredible security arrangements, as

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Speaker 2: you can imagine, Mike, with his President Donald Trump coming

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Speaker 2: in and the other world leaders.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, I'll come back to that in a moment.

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Speaker 1: His actual movement, how far I've seen the matt but

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Speaker 1: I meant at the pace they'll go and the rids.

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Speaker 1: How long would that take?

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Speaker 2: Only a few kilometers? I think four or five kilometers,

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Speaker 2: they said tonight he will be moving very slowly to

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Speaker 2: give people an opportunity to really farewell him. So I

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Speaker 2: would expect the streets of Rome to be lined with

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Speaker 2: thousands of people as his body has moved from the

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Speaker 2: basilica here at Saint Peter's across the other side of town.

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Speaker 1: I'm reading one of the British papers eight hour cues.

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Speaker 1: Would that be fair?

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Speaker 2: Someone said to me tonight four hours, and they said

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Speaker 2: it was worth every minute. It changed their lives seeing

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Speaker 2: the pope lying in state, and the scenes inside the

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Speaker 2: basilica are also very dramatic because it looks so beautiful

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Speaker 2: in there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it does not to diminish what's going on, of course,

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Speaker 1: but we're the wise. It's out, okay, hasn't it. I

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Speaker 1: mean weather I've been following that. I mean it's not

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Speaker 1: middle winter.

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Speaker 2: In other words, No, it's quite quite beautiful spring weather.

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Speaker 2: We've got some signs of rain tomorrow. It's chili at night,

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Speaker 2: your trench code at night. But you can hear people

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Speaker 2: around me just lining up. The cues are stretching down

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Speaker 2: Via de la Conca CHILIAI in front of the Basilica.

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Speaker 1: Now wow, So as regards Trump and Macron and Prince

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Speaker 1: William and all, they locked the place down.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I've never seen the sort of security

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Speaker 2: measures they're talking about. Dog squads are already in action.

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Speaker 2: They're going to put police on the river, sharpshooters on

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Speaker 2: the buildings, which we have seen before. But incidentally, they're

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Speaker 2: going to have firefighters that specialize in terrorism, nuclear attacks,

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Speaker 2: and chemical warfare. So that tells you the level of

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Speaker 2: security that's going on.

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Speaker 1: And what does that mean to the average person in Rome?

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Speaker 1: You just you stay at home. You can't get it,

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Speaker 1: You're going nowhere.

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Speaker 2: Well, the funny thing is this week using whole week

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Speaker 2: here because we've had Easter Monday, which is a huge

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Speaker 2: holiday in Italy, and then April twenty five is also

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Speaker 2: the day when they remember Liberation Day World War two,

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Speaker 2: so it's really a holiday week and many locals are

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Speaker 2: out of town, but we expect them to come back

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Speaker 2: at the end of the week. And around two hundred

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Speaker 2: and fifty thousand are expected for the funeral.

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Speaker 1: And with all due reverence once again to the event,

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Speaker 1: given who you have in town. Is business going to

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Speaker 1: be talked about? Are we talking cariiffs doing deals?

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Speaker 2: Well, diplomats have told me off the record they don't

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Speaker 2: think there's going to be much time for that. But

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Speaker 2: I think it's really an interesting juxtaposition, isn't it. We're

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Speaker 2: going to have Trump here, We're going to have him

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Speaker 2: meeting once again with Italian Prime Minister Maloney. Ursula Vonderline

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Speaker 2: from the European Commission's going to be here, Macron. So

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Speaker 2: will they have time to talk? Well, that's hard to say,

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Speaker 2: but I think most of the leaders will be in

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Speaker 2: and out. But it's certainly an interesting juxtaposition, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't go well, Joe, I appreciate cover Joe mckinna,

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Speaker 1: who is in Saint Peter's Square in Rome on a

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