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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Fine

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Speaker 1: from News Talks EDB.

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Speaker 2: It's in eighty one.

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Speaker 3: Let me just tell you what I think about it.

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Speaker 3: I think it was a disgraceful performance from a captain

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Speaker 3: who got his sums wrong today and I think it

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Speaker 3: should never be permitted to happen again. We keep reading

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Speaker 3: and hearing that the players are under a lot of pressure,

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Speaker 3: and that they're tired and jaded and perhaps their judgment

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Speaker 3: and their skill is blunted. Well, perhaps they might advance

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Speaker 3: that is an excuse for what happened out there today.

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Speaker 4: Not with me, they don't. I think it was a very.

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Speaker 3: Poor performance, one of the worst things I have ever

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Speaker 3: seen done on a cricket field.

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Speaker 4: Good Night.

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Speaker 2: My favorite part of that is after he's given Australian

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Speaker 2: absolute serve, he still manages a cherry good night at

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Speaker 2: the end of it. The late Great Richie Beno. I'm

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Speaker 2: Jason Pine, Andy McDonald sharp producer, So we're with you

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Speaker 2: until three o'clock. New Zealand Rugby CEO Mark Robinson on

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Speaker 2: the show after one talking the range of issues are

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Speaker 2: a weakened French touring side coming here next year reportedly

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Speaker 2: the possibility of an ANZAC Dave Bledisloe Cup Test, the

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Speaker 2: All Blacks touring South Africa, among other things. Leading us

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Speaker 2: off today though Sir John Kerwin standing by to talk

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Speaker 2: a couple of selection conundrums for All Blacks coach Scott

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Speaker 2: Robertson as he prepares to unveil his squad to tour

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Speaker 2: the Northern Hemisphere. That squad is announced at two o'clock tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Will Sam Kine and or TJ Peanada be on the plane? So,

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Speaker 2: John Kerwin on that and other aspects of the selection.

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Speaker 2: Your thoughts are absolutely welcome and in fact encouraged on

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Speaker 2: this as well other matters around today. Massive night coming

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Speaker 2: up at a Core Stadium in Sydney the NRL Grand Final,

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Speaker 2: Melbourne Storm, Penrith Panthers, former Storm and kiwi's forward Tawada,

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Speaker 2: Nico and Penrith double centurion and NRL winner Ryan Girdler

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Speaker 2: after two. Of course, Tawoda also won the NRL with

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Speaker 2: the Melbourne Storm, so a very good look at this

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Speaker 2: NRL Grand Final for you after two. All White striker

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Speaker 2: Ben Wain's on the show ahead of New Zielland's World

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Speaker 2: Cup qualifiers over the next few weeks and James mcconey

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Speaker 2: checking in his regular slot around one forty five Live

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Speaker 2: Sport this afternoon ran Furley Shield Rugby Tasman defending the

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Speaker 2: log against the Amber and Blacks of Tallanaki from five

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Speaker 2: past two in Nelson. A win for Tasman would see

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Speaker 2: them lock up the Shield for the summer and secure

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Speaker 2: top spot going into the NPC playoffs. Tallanaki don't have

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Speaker 2: a pretty good shield pedigree. I'll be going to Nelson

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Speaker 2: with one thing on their minds, and that's resting away

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Speaker 2: the log of wood, which they would then hold for

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Speaker 2: the summer with no more challenges to come. In twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four. We'll have a preview of that game around

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Speaker 2: one thirty. Keep you up that on progress once it

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Speaker 2: kicks off. Round two Action and the Men's and Women's

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Speaker 2: National Football League to keep an eye on as well.

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Speaker 2: Please get involved in the show if you would like

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Speaker 2: to anything that catches your ear or anything you like

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Speaker 2: emails into Jason at Newstalk SEDB dot co dot NZ

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Speaker 2: on eleven past midday.

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Speaker 1: Analyzing every view from every angle in the sporting world.

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Speaker 1: Weekends for it with Jason Hill, news Talks, mb.

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Speaker 5: Fine's Mackenzie text it over the touch line, the Capital

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Speaker 5: Pairs ends and the All Blacks when Sampagne's one hundredths

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Speaker 5: final on home soil, TJ Penanas Final on home soil

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Speaker 5: thirty three point thirteen over the Wallabies at sky Stadium.

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Speaker 2: The final test on home soil for Sam Cain and

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Speaker 2: for TJ Peninada. But will that be their final test?

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Speaker 2: Full Stop Your Black squad for the end of season

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Speaker 2: two revealed at two o'clock tomorrow for test matches against Japan, England, Ireland,

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Speaker 2: France and Italy. It's a tough tour. Scott Robertson will

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Speaker 2: name a thirty six man touring party, while a twenty

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Speaker 2: nine man All Blacks fifteen squad will also be named

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Speaker 2: for matches against Munster and Georgia. That side to be

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Speaker 2: coached by Clayton McMillan. There has also been word and

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Speaker 2: Scott Robertson confirmed this that there may well be movement

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Speaker 2: of players between the two squads. So what are we

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Speaker 2: sixty five players? There are going to be announced in

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Speaker 2: one of those two squads tomorrow afternoon. Let's bring in

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Speaker 2: sir John Kerwin, ninety six match All Black, former international coach,

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Speaker 2: now a major part of sky Sports coverage of the

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Speaker 2: All Blacks through commentary, analysis and his role on the breakdown. JK,

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Speaker 2: thanks for joining. What's going to start with the halfbacks?

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Speaker 2: Do you think TJ Petinata will go on this Northern Tour?

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Speaker 6: No? I don't. I think that With Rougard coming back,

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Speaker 6: I believe that it's time possibly to take some risks.

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Speaker 6: TJ's been amazing signed with Japan. I put him in

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Speaker 6: the same category as Sam Kane at some stage, I

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Speaker 6: think we've got to give some of these younger guys

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Speaker 6: both Sam Kin and TJ perrinard Us might miss out

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Speaker 6: and might be time to move on.

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Speaker 2: So is that that that's your view? What do you

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Speaker 2: think Razor will do? Because if he doesn't take TJ,

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Speaker 2: he's got camera Guard five test matches, Cortez eight test matches. No,

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Speaker 2: I hope in one game off the bench. Does he

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Speaker 2: leave himself a little bit light at half back?

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Speaker 6: Yeah? Totally. I don't think he leaves himself light. He

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Speaker 6: leaves himself light on experience. So you know, I think

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Speaker 6: it's a massive question if he decides to take them.

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Speaker 6: I get that as well, because what he's trying to

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Speaker 6: this is an incredibly difficult northern tour. You know, you

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Speaker 6: start with Japan, which they're not going to take some

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Speaker 6: if he took them. But then, so you know what

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Speaker 6: did you mention roy Guard five? Yeah?

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Speaker 6: So when they get back from Europe, what do you

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Speaker 6: that to win World Cups you need to have sort

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Speaker 6: to understand what it's all about. So, you know, I

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Speaker 6: think it's a massive call. I think it's the most

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Speaker 6: what's he going to do with Locke? You know, I

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Speaker 6: I don't know what happened to Dalton. I watched Counties

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Speaker 6: are we going to are going to stick with Sam Kaine?

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Speaker 6: So I think it's time, mate, I think it's time.

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Speaker 6: You know where two years away from a World Cup,

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Speaker 6: so that's what I'd be doing, all right.

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Speaker 2: So Sam Kine's an interesting one to me. With halfback,

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Speaker 2: you've got Roy Garder up to my hope theme. So

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Speaker 6: I think it's Dalton. I think it's Dalton because of

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Speaker 6: how we used to have our traditional seven.

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Speaker 7: Has now changed.

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Speaker 6: Our seven is now playing like a six, like when

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Speaker 6: I think Dalton is best suited if that's the role

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Speaker 6: these these young guys coming through loc I your sir,

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Speaker 6: guys like that that are probably more multi talented, you know,

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Speaker 6: they can play in many positions. But I think the

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Speaker 2: What's happened to Matt Telaya this year?

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Speaker 6: I just think he's tired. I just think he's I

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Speaker 6: real interesting position out wide.

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Speaker 2: So Damien McKenzie goes, Boden Barrett goes. I want to

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Speaker 2: who goes out of Stephen Petefetta and Harry Plummer.

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Speaker 6: I think Stephen Pedofetta will probably go. I mean, Plumber

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Speaker 2: Who do you think we'll start at first five against

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Speaker 2: England in four weeks time?

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Speaker 6: I think it depends on what style of rugby you

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Speaker 6: want to play. I think that Damien's done an amazing job.

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Speaker 6: I think Damien's been really really good. Does he need

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Speaker 6: to learn to control the last twenty probably yes, you know,

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Speaker 6: and he'll learn that. But I also loved him coming

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Speaker 6: against England. What sort of ten do you want versus Ireland?

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Speaker 2: And just to finish ja kay, let's assume the all

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Speaker 6: Oh look, I think I think for me it's coming

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Speaker 2: two and also to my own number from friends of

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Speaker 2: mine have said, hey, don't forget TJ. I didn't never

427
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Speaker 2: a good game against Australia and Wellington. Correct by his

428
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Speaker 2: own admission, he didn't. But I still think he's in

429
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Speaker 2: the top three halfbacks. Nothing really has changed since the

430
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Speaker 2: Rugby Championship squad was named. The only thing that will

431
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Speaker 2: change is if Razor decides now is the time to

432
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Speaker 2: look to the future. Murray. I think we spoke yesterday.

433
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Speaker 2: Did we hash your health well?

434
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Speaker 11: And look, I want to say to you that if

435
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Speaker 11: the girls had taking that shot at goal, they would

436
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Speaker 11: have won.

437
00:22:16,107 --> 00:22:22,667
Speaker 2: Which shot? Oh right? Oh yes, yes, yes, yes it

438
00:22:22,667 --> 00:22:26,827
Speaker 2: would have been Were your boys did the right last night?

439
00:22:26,867 --> 00:22:29,627
Speaker 2: I quite I quite enjoyed watching them beat the way

440
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Speaker 2: odo side last night. Murray, you would have enjoyed that too.

441
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Speaker 12: I always enjoyed a blank or a black and white

442
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Speaker 12: one isn't one of the Oh now I want to

443
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Speaker 12: put a bulky an. It's player plaid one.

444
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Speaker 2: Murray, Murray is gonna have to sort your phone out,

445
00:22:50,467 --> 00:22:51,947
Speaker 2: making I don't want to miss your bowl. Take get

446
00:22:51,987 --> 00:22:53,747
Speaker 2: your phone up to your mouth, mate, I need to

447
00:22:53,747 --> 00:22:54,587
Speaker 2: hear who your bolt was.

448
00:22:55,947 --> 00:23:00,507
Speaker 11: Okay, one one, one game or one test for the

449
00:23:00,547 --> 00:23:04,427
Speaker 11: All Blacks? Do you know who he is?

450
00:23:04,427 --> 00:23:05,107
Speaker 2: Is he your first fight?

451
00:23:05,187 --> 00:23:05,787
Speaker 11: Still playing?

452
00:23:06,867 --> 00:23:10,187
Speaker 2: Yes, still playing, and he's played one test for the

453
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Speaker 2: All Blacks at first five.

454
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Speaker 11: I'll make it easier for you. I'll give you another clue.

455
00:23:16,187 --> 00:23:17,067
Speaker 11: X Crusader.

456
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Speaker 2: Ex crusader has played one, has played one to Bret Cameron.

457
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Speaker 13: Exactly right, mate, he's my boulder because he'll play full

458
00:23:29,027 --> 00:23:37,107
Speaker 13: back too. He'll be adding one of those two squads.

459
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Speaker 2: Okay, Look, I hadn't thought of Brett Cameron in my

460
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Speaker 2: in my thoughts around the first five position. I guess

461
00:23:43,787 --> 00:23:47,067
Speaker 2: I just assumed that we've moved on from Brett Cameron. Yes,

462
00:23:47,067 --> 00:23:50,387
Speaker 2: he had a serviceable Super Rugby campaign for the Hurricanes

463
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Speaker 2: who went all the way to the semi finals, and

464
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Speaker 2: I think at times he was very good. I just

465
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Speaker 2: I don't know that he's got the triple threat that

466
00:23:55,947 --> 00:23:59,547
Speaker 2: they're after kicking game good, passing game good. Doesn't take

467
00:23:59,547 --> 00:24:02,467
Speaker 2: it the line on much. Maybe that's not important. I

468
00:24:02,507 --> 00:24:04,427
Speaker 2: look around the other first fives and I think, okay,

469
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Speaker 2: if they take three up to the on the All

470
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Speaker 2: Blacks tour, so Boden Barrett, Damien McKenzie plus one. Maybe

471
00:24:11,827 --> 00:24:15,027
Speaker 2: that's Perefetta, Harry Plummer maybe goes on the All Blacks fifteen.

472
00:24:15,267 --> 00:24:18,587
Speaker 2: Perhaps there's room for one more. Maybe brit Cameron snakes

473
00:24:18,627 --> 00:24:23,267
Speaker 2: in there. Potentially. Good to chat to your Murray. Thanks

474
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Speaker 2: for taking the time, Dallas.

475
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Speaker 14: How are you money? I agree with you. I think

476
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Speaker 14: we need experience. You know what it's like in playing

477
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Speaker 14: the Northern Hemisphere. There'll be tight games, there'll be for

478
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Speaker 14: brutal ford exchanges in the mad paths positively and the

479
00:24:42,987 --> 00:24:47,707
Speaker 14: crowds were there against us. We need experience. I think

480
00:24:47,787 --> 00:24:51,107
Speaker 14: that last team that went out at Wellington was our blueprint.

481
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Speaker 14: We need Anton at Sema. I think we've found our

482
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Speaker 14: center at Santon. Stick with him. He's a playmaker, and

483
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Speaker 14: I agree with you that TJ. He's tough as he's

484
00:25:03,427 --> 00:25:05,787
Speaker 14: but the reason they like TJ, he's like an next

485
00:25:05,787 --> 00:25:09,867
Speaker 14: to lose four he's so strong, but we need his

486
00:25:09,987 --> 00:25:10,867
Speaker 14: experience too.

487
00:25:11,147 --> 00:25:11,467
Speaker 6: On too.

488
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Speaker 14: He has to has to shove of the mouth a

489
00:25:13,987 --> 00:25:16,587
Speaker 14: bit because otherways to get whistled off the park up

490
00:25:16,627 --> 00:25:20,387
Speaker 14: in the little of the heatersphere. So cain Kine as well.

491
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Speaker 14: It's just good to have these guys with experience on

492
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Speaker 14: the northern two, you know what it's like.

493
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Speaker 2: I'm there, Dellas, I totally agree, and that's why I

494
00:25:27,907 --> 00:25:30,507
Speaker 2: have him. I think I think we all agree. Royguard

495
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Speaker 2: and Latima and Hotham probably as well are the future

496
00:25:33,907 --> 00:25:35,667
Speaker 2: and those three are gonna are going to battle it

497
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Speaker 2: out over this World Cup cycle. I mean I think

498
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Speaker 2: roy Guard, you know, all things being equal, is probably

499
00:25:40,507 --> 00:25:43,547
Speaker 2: your number nine moving forward with Ratama and Hotham. But

500
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Speaker 2: between them, as I said to JK, eight tests for Ratima,

501
00:25:46,667 --> 00:25:48,467
Speaker 2: five for roy Guard, just the one for Hope them

502
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Speaker 2: off the bench. And that was only when he was

503
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Speaker 2: brought in as an injury replacement for TJ. Actually, so

504
00:25:54,427 --> 00:25:56,827
Speaker 2: I'd have TJ up there, even if it's just to

505
00:25:56,827 --> 00:25:59,947
Speaker 2: look after these guys in a in a mentoring capacity.

506
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Speaker 2: And yeah, I think the experience is vital.

507
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Speaker 7: He's worth his weight in gold.

508
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Speaker 14: And the other thing is is qustion mark over Roy. God,

509
00:26:07,667 --> 00:26:11,107
Speaker 14: he's just come back and you know we shouldn't put

510
00:26:11,147 --> 00:26:13,707
Speaker 14: too much weight on his shoulders. He's come back from

511
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Speaker 14: a massive injury, so you know it's another reason to

512
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Speaker 14: take t J.

513
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Speaker 2: I think, did you see Cameroy guard play for Counties yesterday?

514
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Speaker 6: No?

515
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Speaker 15: How did he go?

516
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Speaker 2: Oh, Dellas, he was terrific man, he was, oh straight away,

517
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Speaker 2: you've got a couple of tries. I got to try

518
00:26:29,107 --> 00:26:30,787
Speaker 2: this first touch and then he's then he's picked one

519
00:26:30,827 --> 00:26:32,787
Speaker 2: up on a halfway and he's stepped a couple of guys.

520
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Speaker 2: I thought, if you, if you've got if you, if

521
00:26:34,867 --> 00:26:36,547
Speaker 2: you're worried about your knee, you're not doing a big

522
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Speaker 2: messive of side steps. But he didn't seem to care.

523
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Speaker 2: He looked really good, Dellais. I think you'll enjoy watching

524
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Speaker 2: him back in a black jersey.

525
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Speaker 14: Mate, excellent, excellent, Good on your Dellas.

526
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Speaker 2: Great to Chetty mate, thanks for calling him. Oh eight

527
00:26:47,307 --> 00:26:49,907
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty is our number, all right?

528
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Speaker 2: Phil sam Kine, TJ Peranada. What are you doing with

529
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Speaker 2: those two? But they on your plane?

530
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Speaker 16: Ah well they weren't for a start, pointy, but I

531
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Speaker 16: think you've changed my mind.

532
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Speaker 2: Have I convinced you have? I convinced you have I

533
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Speaker 2: have I swayed your view?

534
00:27:05,027 --> 00:27:06,667
Speaker 16: I think you might have brought me over to the

535
00:27:06,747 --> 00:27:10,987
Speaker 16: dark side, as the fighters said over your father.

536
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Speaker 2: I thought that over here. Look, I just think I

537
00:27:15,227 --> 00:27:16,907
Speaker 2: think the experience of the both of them will be

538
00:27:16,947 --> 00:27:20,067
Speaker 2: invaluable on this tour, which is a tough tour England Island,

539
00:27:20,067 --> 00:27:23,107
Speaker 2: France and consecutive weeks fell Eric, and you need some

540
00:27:23,107 --> 00:27:27,467
Speaker 2: some some experience and you know, and some leadership that

541
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Speaker 2: both of those two will provide.

542
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Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, Because initially I was thinking, and I just

543
00:27:34,027 --> 00:27:36,667
Speaker 16: want to touch on a call call yesterday tour. If

544
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Speaker 16: we've got time, we'll get through this. But initially I

545
00:27:39,507 --> 00:27:41,427
Speaker 16: was thinking sort of like j K I was in

546
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Speaker 16: Jakay's camp, because I was initially thinking, now I'd be

547
00:27:45,187 --> 00:27:47,267
Speaker 16: starting to look to build towards the World Cup. But

548
00:27:47,307 --> 00:27:49,187
Speaker 16: then when you started talking about it, you said, oh,

549
00:27:49,227 --> 00:27:51,107
Speaker 16: it's still three years out now and that, and I

550
00:27:51,107 --> 00:27:54,947
Speaker 16: started thinking, well, ye, still plenty of time. So maybe

551
00:27:54,987 --> 00:27:57,387
Speaker 16: you're right, because they have earned their place as far

552
00:27:57,427 --> 00:27:59,747
Speaker 16: as I'm concerned to go on the tour. I just

553
00:27:59,907 --> 00:28:02,627
Speaker 16: was starting to think about building for that future. But

554
00:28:03,267 --> 00:28:05,667
Speaker 16: like I say you, I think you've changed my mind,

555
00:28:05,707 --> 00:28:09,347
Speaker 16: and they both I think deserve to be on that tour.

556
00:28:09,427 --> 00:28:12,707
Speaker 16: It's not like they haven't earthed their place like you said.

557
00:28:13,347 --> 00:28:16,867
Speaker 16: So yeah, maybe we will take him, and we've still

558
00:28:16,867 --> 00:28:19,867
Speaker 16: got plenty of time to build for the younger players

559
00:28:19,907 --> 00:28:21,787
Speaker 16: coming up towards that World Cup team.

560
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Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, fell, because there's obviously opinion

561
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Speaker 2: of what we would do if we're in charge, and

562
00:28:27,867 --> 00:28:30,547
Speaker 2: that's always a lot of fun playing selector. But the

563
00:28:30,587 --> 00:28:33,267
Speaker 2: points being made that that Razor obviously has to try

564
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Speaker 2: and win these test matches as well, maybe even more

565
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Speaker 2: so given the fact that of the nine so far

566
00:28:38,787 --> 00:28:41,667
Speaker 2: he's had three losses England. I mean, let's say they

567
00:28:41,707 --> 00:28:44,707
Speaker 2: beat Japan and Italy, that should be okay, but England, Island,

568
00:28:44,747 --> 00:28:48,427
Speaker 2: France though all three of those tests are losable for

569
00:28:48,467 --> 00:28:50,667
Speaker 2: the All Blacks. So you wouldn't want to lose six

570
00:28:51,387 --> 00:28:54,747
Speaker 2: of your fourteen test matches in your first year as

571
00:28:54,747 --> 00:28:57,827
Speaker 2: All Blacks coach. So you know whether whether that that

572
00:28:58,307 --> 00:29:00,147
Speaker 2: I guess I'll ask you, would that be would raise

573
00:29:00,187 --> 00:29:02,587
Speaker 2: it be more likely to take guys like Caanaan Peranada

574
00:29:03,067 --> 00:29:05,267
Speaker 2: just to just to ensure that he has the best

575
00:29:05,347 --> 00:29:06,267
Speaker 2: chance of winning these tests.

576
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Speaker 16: Well, it's hard to say with Raiser, because I think

577
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Speaker 16: he probably I don't know if he would worry so

578
00:29:15,267 --> 00:29:20,667
Speaker 16: much about the court of popular opinion as they say,

579
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Speaker 16: and what is when record, how that would go down

580
00:29:25,627 --> 00:29:29,307
Speaker 16: and what it would look like. But then but then yeah,

581
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Speaker 16: maybe as a confidence boost, you know, get the New

582
00:29:32,267 --> 00:29:36,787
Speaker 16: Zealand public behind him that because he's regardless of his records,

583
00:29:36,827 --> 00:29:39,067
Speaker 16: he's always going to have people that didn't want him there,

584
00:29:39,147 --> 00:29:41,427
Speaker 16: you know, that didn't want him there and don't like

585
00:29:41,507 --> 00:29:43,907
Speaker 16: him sort of thing. But yeah, yeah, there could be

586
00:29:43,907 --> 00:29:45,667
Speaker 16: a factor. He might be wanting to play a bit

587
00:29:45,747 --> 00:29:48,987
Speaker 16: safe and give himself the best chance because like you say,

588
00:29:49,107 --> 00:29:51,707
Speaker 16: we should beat Japan, and we should beat Italy in

589
00:29:51,787 --> 00:29:54,707
Speaker 16: the Big three is England, France and Ireland, and like

590
00:29:54,827 --> 00:29:57,467
Speaker 16: you say, we have every chance of losing any one

591
00:29:57,507 --> 00:30:00,747
Speaker 16: of those matches because they are three great teams. So yeah,

592
00:30:00,827 --> 00:30:03,187
Speaker 16: maybe he might play it safe and think, oh well,

593
00:30:03,187 --> 00:30:05,867
Speaker 16: when I say plant safe, not plat safe. But he

594
00:30:05,947 --> 00:30:09,347
Speaker 16: might think I'll give myself the best chance of putting

595
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Speaker 16: the best winning team on there, and I'll take those

596
00:30:12,307 --> 00:30:16,267
Speaker 16: players with the experience like TJ. And Sam Kanu are

597
00:30:16,307 --> 00:30:20,307
Speaker 16: still playing well and we'll give me the best chance

598
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Speaker 16: of winning those big type matches because they will be

599
00:30:22,947 --> 00:30:25,067
Speaker 16: the big type matches. You know, the other guys should

600
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Speaker 16: be able to beat the Japan and Italy type thing.

601
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Speaker 16: But can I also say Piney just quickly want to touch.

602
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Speaker 16: Yesterday there was a cooler set about, a really interesting

603
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Speaker 16: cool about New Zealand teams in general, a trend coming

604
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Speaker 16: through with the netball cricketers and that of not having

605
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Speaker 16: the ability to put the foot on the throat, so

606
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Speaker 16: to speak. And I thought that was quite good because

607
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Speaker 16: I think you might have had on something there because

608
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Speaker 16: you look at the Aussie cricket team, they've always had

609
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Speaker 16: that ability to put the foot on the throat, you know,

610
00:30:56,947 --> 00:30:59,187
Speaker 16: we might call it have the money in them. And

611
00:30:59,227 --> 00:31:04,627
Speaker 16: the same with their netballers, the Aussie netballers. And I think,

612
00:31:04,787 --> 00:31:07,507
Speaker 16: like you look at the netboard, think Air Netbull girl,

613
00:31:07,547 --> 00:31:10,267
Speaker 16: he's taken over the Kiwi's. I think she's trying to

614
00:31:10,307 --> 00:31:12,627
Speaker 16: install that somehow. I don't know how you teach it,

615
00:31:12,667 --> 00:31:15,027
Speaker 16: but you know you're getting beaten by one or two

616
00:31:15,067 --> 00:31:18,627
Speaker 16: points and trying to teach that ability to put the

617
00:31:18,627 --> 00:31:21,827
Speaker 16: foot on the throat when it really need to bring

618
00:31:21,867 --> 00:31:24,667
Speaker 16: it home with the wind, because like I think, Kiwis

619
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Speaker 16: are a bit, like you said, we're a bit too

620
00:31:27,147 --> 00:31:28,707
Speaker 16: soft for our own good. And you look at that

621
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Speaker 16: America's Cup that time, and we lost it to spit

622
00:31:31,907 --> 00:31:34,587
Speaker 16: all when we sort of shot ourselves in the foot

623
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Speaker 16: because we made a time you know, you can make

624
00:31:36,547 --> 00:31:38,627
Speaker 16: the rules when you're the challenger, and we put a

625
00:31:38,667 --> 00:31:41,587
Speaker 16: time limit on that race that we lost, whereas if

626
00:31:41,627 --> 00:31:43,987
Speaker 16: we held out it might have taken a while, but

627
00:31:44,067 --> 00:31:45,627
Speaker 16: we were in the lead and we probably would have

628
00:31:45,627 --> 00:31:47,427
Speaker 16: won that and we would have won that America's Cup.

629
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Speaker 16: And then we also gave them a rest day, allowed

630
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Speaker 16: them a rest day, and they brought the English spell

631
00:31:52,507 --> 00:31:54,267
Speaker 16: of the best sailer in the world at the time,

632
00:31:54,347 --> 00:31:57,227
Speaker 16: and then they offered their boat and again, you know,

633
00:31:57,267 --> 00:32:01,347
Speaker 16: it all towards beating us. So I thought, yeah, I

634
00:32:01,387 --> 00:32:05,547
Speaker 16: think somehow we're too we're a bit too good, too

635
00:32:05,627 --> 00:32:08,467
Speaker 16: kind for our own good, and somehow we need to

636
00:32:10,187 --> 00:32:13,667
Speaker 16: learn how to like the Aussie teams and there put

637
00:32:13,707 --> 00:32:17,267
Speaker 16: their foot on the scrow and yeah.

638
00:32:16,787 --> 00:32:19,907
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, yeah, we spoke about it. I think the

639
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Speaker 2: word I used was too nice. I'm not sure soft

640
00:32:22,267 --> 00:32:24,507
Speaker 2: is right. I think too nice was what I said.

641
00:32:24,507 --> 00:32:27,827
Speaker 2: But yeah, they're they're they're clearly is a there's a

642
00:32:28,907 --> 00:32:30,587
Speaker 2: there's a school of thought that yeah, just as a

643
00:32:30,667 --> 00:32:33,067
Speaker 2: nation where you know, and I think in general terms,

644
00:32:33,107 --> 00:32:34,987
Speaker 2: it's probably not a bad way to be labeled that

645
00:32:35,067 --> 00:32:37,707
Speaker 2: were you know, we're we're we're generally nice to people.

646
00:32:37,747 --> 00:32:39,907
Speaker 2: But yeah, on the sporting field, maybe something has to

647
00:32:39,987 --> 00:32:42,907
Speaker 2: change around our our mongrel as you call it. Good

648
00:32:42,907 --> 00:32:44,547
Speaker 2: to chatter you as always, oh eight hundred and eighty

649
00:32:44,627 --> 00:32:46,747
Speaker 2: ten eighty, just take a text before we go to

650
00:32:47,307 --> 00:32:49,547
Speaker 2: go to a break, Collins is why not ask both

651
00:32:50,147 --> 00:32:52,907
Speaker 2: TJ and Cain to go on the second team tour?

652
00:32:52,947 --> 00:32:55,627
Speaker 2: They could teach the youngsters how to become class players

653
00:32:55,627 --> 00:33:00,627
Speaker 2: and people. So yeah, look, I think it's a it's

654
00:33:00,667 --> 00:33:03,427
Speaker 2: a good point. So where is their best use for

655
00:33:03,547 --> 00:33:07,307
Speaker 2: building for the future? I feel like do that next year? Right,

656
00:33:07,947 --> 00:33:10,307
Speaker 2: France are going to send an understrength team here in June,

657
00:33:10,587 --> 00:33:13,587
Speaker 2: so why don't we built for the future then England

658
00:33:13,627 --> 00:33:16,467
Speaker 2: Island France and consecutive weeks are three tough test matches,

659
00:33:16,587 --> 00:33:21,107
Speaker 2: all losible, all losible. Give yourself the best chance of winning,

660
00:33:21,227 --> 00:33:24,107
Speaker 2: especially when you've had three losses from nine already sixteen

661
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Speaker 2: to one back with more calls after this Don't.

662
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Speaker 1: Get caught Offside call eight hundred and eighty ten Weekends

663
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Speaker 1: for US with Jason Paine and GJ. Gardner Homes New

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665
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Speaker 2: NB thirteen to one. On text from Baker, I think

666
00:33:38,067 --> 00:33:39,987
Speaker 2: it's time to bring Peter Larkeye through to the All Blacks.

667
00:33:39,987 --> 00:33:41,867
Speaker 2: I watched the Wellington game yesterday and while he played

668
00:33:41,947 --> 00:33:44,787
Speaker 2: number eight, his form was becoming irresistible. One hundred percent

669
00:33:44,827 --> 00:33:46,587
Speaker 2: will be the starting seven at the Rugby World Cup

670
00:33:46,627 --> 00:33:49,627
Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven. Imagine, says b K. Larkey. So Titty

671
00:33:49,747 --> 00:33:53,907
Speaker 2: and ARTI in the back crow. It's a Philly mouthwatering prospect,

672
00:33:53,867 --> 00:33:55,707
Speaker 2: doesn't it. Let's go back to the Lions, Adam.

673
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Speaker 17: High heday mate. So based off upon the word experience,

674
00:33:59,787 --> 00:34:01,667
Speaker 17: Peter Larks I won't get in no.

675
00:34:01,867 --> 00:34:04,027
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I guess you can mix it up, right,

676
00:34:04,067 --> 00:34:06,867
Speaker 2: but if you if it's a choice between Cain and

677
00:34:06,947 --> 00:34:10,027
Speaker 2: Larkeye and you're picking on experience, then year clearly Kine

678
00:34:10,027 --> 00:34:10,827
Speaker 2: is the guy they take.

679
00:34:12,187 --> 00:34:14,267
Speaker 17: Yeah, this is how I see it. So in sport,

680
00:34:14,347 --> 00:34:17,507
Speaker 17: if you let's say you're in the top three of

681
00:34:17,547 --> 00:34:21,787
Speaker 17: a position regardless of experience, don't you deserve to be chosen?

682
00:34:22,187 --> 00:34:23,787
Speaker 11: Yep, yep, yeah.

683
00:34:24,547 --> 00:34:28,187
Speaker 17: I don't think experience means much. We've already lost three

684
00:34:28,107 --> 00:34:30,427
Speaker 17: Test matches this year based on experience.

685
00:34:32,067 --> 00:34:34,787
Speaker 2: Do you say, yeah, yeah, okay, well let's let's talk

686
00:34:34,827 --> 00:34:38,107
Speaker 2: specifics then. So, and this is a very opinion based

687
00:34:38,107 --> 00:34:42,307
Speaker 2: but for you, as TJ one of the top three halfbacks.

688
00:34:42,267 --> 00:34:45,147
Speaker 17: No, not anymore. And that's fine. He's you know, he

689
00:34:45,147 --> 00:34:48,707
Speaker 17: gets older, he's slowed down. That it's just reality what

690
00:34:48,787 --> 00:34:52,147
Speaker 17: happens in sport. At some point you're just not good enough.

691
00:34:52,707 --> 00:34:55,347
Speaker 17: You were good, you're just not quite there anymore. I'd

692
00:34:55,347 --> 00:34:58,107
Speaker 17: be I'd be dragging three young guys and cam Roy Guard.

693
00:34:59,147 --> 00:35:00,827
Speaker 17: I mean, the guy was just saying, oh, he's only

694
00:35:00,867 --> 00:35:03,587
Speaker 17: just got back into it. He was phenomenal yesterday the

695
00:35:03,787 --> 00:35:04,307
Speaker 17: one game.

696
00:35:04,907 --> 00:35:06,107
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was amazing.

697
00:35:06,907 --> 00:35:09,027
Speaker 17: Yeah, he's already the first staff back in New Zealand

698
00:35:09,027 --> 00:35:09,827
Speaker 17: after one game.

699
00:35:10,707 --> 00:35:12,387
Speaker 2: That's the crazy thing as well, Adham. I was thinking

700
00:35:12,387 --> 00:35:14,827
Speaker 2: about this yesterday when I was when after a chantut

701
00:35:14,867 --> 00:35:17,427
Speaker 2: to Cameroy Guard and think to myself, has there ever

702
00:35:17,507 --> 00:35:21,227
Speaker 2: been a player with so few Test matches under his

703
00:35:21,307 --> 00:35:23,467
Speaker 2: belt and last year of the World Cup, you remember,

704
00:35:23,507 --> 00:35:25,507
Speaker 2: I didn't even play the big games, didn't play beyond

705
00:35:25,507 --> 00:35:28,067
Speaker 2: the group stages. He's had five Test matches, but off

706
00:35:28,067 --> 00:35:30,627
Speaker 2: the back of a super rugby form this year. Has

707
00:35:30,667 --> 00:35:33,307
Speaker 2: there ever been any player who's only played less than

708
00:35:33,347 --> 00:35:35,947
Speaker 2: half a dozen Tests who's been such a red hot

709
00:35:35,987 --> 00:35:36,787
Speaker 2: first choice?

710
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Speaker 17: Yeah, and I absolutely agree. I mean he's X factory

711
00:35:41,707 --> 00:35:44,267
Speaker 17: and he may be the missing link in that back line.

712
00:35:45,147 --> 00:35:49,547
Speaker 17: The other thing is i'd be changing Stenter. I don't

713
00:35:49,587 --> 00:35:52,827
Speaker 17: necessarily agree with Anton Lett Brown. I'd be putting Billy

714
00:35:52,827 --> 00:35:54,787
Speaker 17: Procter there. What's wrong with Billy Proctor?

715
00:35:55,147 --> 00:35:58,507
Speaker 2: No, you won't get an argument from me. You will

716
00:35:58,547 --> 00:36:00,867
Speaker 2: not get an argument for me. Yeah, I think I

717
00:36:00,867 --> 00:36:02,907
Speaker 2: think moving forward, and we don't know about Jordi yet.

718
00:36:02,947 --> 00:36:05,907
Speaker 2: Anton Leonard Brown can cover twelve and thirteen obviously, and

719
00:36:05,947 --> 00:36:08,507
Speaker 2: he played twelve against the Wallabies with Rico at thirteen.

720
00:36:08,867 --> 00:36:11,507
Speaker 2: I think moving forward, you've got to give Jordi. Barrett

721
00:36:11,507 --> 00:36:14,187
Speaker 2: and Billy Proctor are cracked together in midfield for the

722
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Speaker 2: All Blacks.

723
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Speaker 17: I think Billy Proctor is too creative to leave out.

724
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Speaker 17: And I just don't understand why we persist with Rico

725
00:36:22,387 --> 00:36:24,827
Speaker 17: Wani at center, given that he was an absolute world

726
00:36:24,827 --> 00:36:27,427
Speaker 17: class wing who was scoring effectively what one and a

727
00:36:27,467 --> 00:36:31,547
Speaker 17: half tries per test there for a while. Just madness

728
00:36:31,587 --> 00:36:34,827
Speaker 17: that he's been pushed into center. I mean I heard

729
00:36:34,827 --> 00:36:37,307
Speaker 17: a comment from I mean, we do things like that

730
00:36:37,347 --> 00:36:39,947
Speaker 17: a lot. It turned him into a center. Maybe he

731
00:36:39,987 --> 00:36:42,747
Speaker 17: wanted to go there. That's fine, but you've got to

732
00:36:42,787 --> 00:36:45,147
Speaker 17: be good enough. I'm not sure he is. I think

733
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Speaker 17: there are better created players. He's quite a big body,

734
00:36:48,747 --> 00:36:50,547
Speaker 17: but he's got sheer pace. You put him on the

735
00:36:50,547 --> 00:36:54,427
Speaker 17: outside and let someone create for him. Who was saying

736
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Speaker 17: was it Isaac Both? Yeah, he was saying that cam

737
00:36:59,027 --> 00:37:01,187
Speaker 17: Roy guards can play first five. Did you know that?

738
00:37:01,747 --> 00:37:04,267
Speaker 2: Yeah, I heard him say that as well. Yeah he's

739
00:37:04,347 --> 00:37:07,507
Speaker 2: I think he played a bit of first five growing up. Yeah,

740
00:37:07,747 --> 00:37:12,027
Speaker 2: and yeah, look I mean he's he's Yeah, what a freak.

741
00:37:12,187 --> 00:37:14,067
Speaker 2: He's probably good at golf as well. At him, If

742
00:37:14,227 --> 00:37:15,627
Speaker 2: if you gave him a golf club, he'd probably be

743
00:37:15,627 --> 00:37:17,267
Speaker 2: good at that as well. It's one of these annoying

744
00:37:17,667 --> 00:37:18,747
Speaker 2: guys who's good at everything.

745
00:37:19,547 --> 00:37:21,227
Speaker 17: Just put him at crop maybe.

746
00:37:22,227 --> 00:37:25,107
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure that would be necessarily the right choice,

747
00:37:25,107 --> 00:37:27,867
Speaker 2: but good points, mate, Adam. Thanks mate, will be interesting

748
00:37:27,867 --> 00:37:29,387
Speaker 2: to see what Razor does. This is, this is I

749
00:37:29,427 --> 00:37:31,947
Speaker 2: think the big talking point tomorrow is what he does

750
00:37:31,987 --> 00:37:34,627
Speaker 2: in the half back spot with because he's only going

751
00:37:34,707 --> 00:37:37,427
Speaker 2: to take three. And look, the All Blacks fifteen is

752
00:37:37,467 --> 00:37:40,067
Speaker 2: there as well, so TJ will be going north. It's

753
00:37:40,107 --> 00:37:42,707
Speaker 2: just a matter of which plane he'll be on. For me,

754
00:37:43,067 --> 00:37:44,587
Speaker 2: I'd have him at the All Blacks, others would have

755
00:37:44,667 --> 00:37:48,387
Speaker 2: him in the All Blacks fifteen Raisers Viewers, really all

756
00:37:48,427 --> 00:37:51,067
Speaker 2: that matters. Grant, thanks for holding on, mate, what's on

757
00:37:51,107 --> 00:37:51,467
Speaker 2: your mind?

758
00:37:52,267 --> 00:37:54,747
Speaker 9: He yeah, Piney one hundred percent agree with you and

759
00:37:54,827 --> 00:37:57,987
Speaker 9: disagree with the last score about TJ's form. But I mean,

760
00:37:58,027 --> 00:38:00,907
Speaker 9: the World Cup is three years away, not next year,

761
00:38:01,187 --> 00:38:03,947
Speaker 9: so plenty of time for build up, and to my mind,

762
00:38:04,027 --> 00:38:06,587
Speaker 9: the best way to build up this year for the

763
00:38:06,587 --> 00:38:09,667
Speaker 9: World Cup is to play the best team possible in

764
00:38:09,707 --> 00:38:12,267
Speaker 9: the big test matches and win as many of those

765
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Speaker 9: as possible. And although Sam and TJ have had the

766
00:38:15,347 --> 00:38:17,747
Speaker 9: odd game where they haven't been at their best, I

767
00:38:17,787 --> 00:38:21,307
Speaker 9: think overall both of them are the number one at

768
00:38:21,307 --> 00:38:23,987
Speaker 9: the moment in their position and so not only would

769
00:38:23,987 --> 00:38:26,867
Speaker 9: I take Sam and TJ on the All Blacks or

770
00:38:26,867 --> 00:38:29,547
Speaker 9: in Neill Black squad. I would start them in the

771
00:38:29,587 --> 00:38:31,627
Speaker 9: games against Ireland, England and France.

772
00:38:32,027 --> 00:38:34,747
Speaker 2: So this is why opinion is so great. Grant. You know,

773
00:38:34,827 --> 00:38:40,387
Speaker 2: compared to the previous caller, Adam, you would have TJ starting.

774
00:38:40,667 --> 00:38:43,187
Speaker 2: He hasn't got TJ in his first three half backs.

775
00:38:43,387 --> 00:38:46,147
Speaker 2: So that's what it's all. That's what it's That's what

776
00:38:46,227 --> 00:38:49,787
Speaker 2: it's all about some opinions. And as I say, Raisers

777
00:38:49,907 --> 00:38:52,387
Speaker 2: is rarely the only one that counts. And we'll find

778
00:38:52,387 --> 00:38:55,267
Speaker 2: out what's on his mind tomorrow afternoon at two o'clock

779
00:38:55,267 --> 00:40:48,787
Speaker 2: when these squads are named seven to one stalksp what's

780
00:40:48,787 --> 00:40:51,147
Speaker 2: part of our commentary team on Gold Sport and Nightheart Radio.

781
00:40:51,467 --> 00:40:53,787
Speaker 18: He's going to have a chat to us.

782
00:40:53,787 --> 00:40:56,467
Speaker 2: Mark Robinson, New Zealand, Rugby City. I'm just sick. I

783
00:40:56,507 --> 00:40:57,587
Speaker 2: just want to get through a couple of teks I

784
00:40:57,587 --> 00:41:01,947
Speaker 2: didn't get to last hour. Regarding All Black selection, antony

785
00:41:02,067 --> 00:41:03,347
Speaker 2: Le Brown has to be in the midfield for the

786
00:41:03,387 --> 00:41:06,307
Speaker 2: All Blacks either at twelve or thirteen. He a twe

787
00:41:06,867 --> 00:41:09,747
Speaker 2: Billy Procter at thirteen. If he's at thirteen, Jordy Barrett

788
00:41:09,787 --> 00:41:14,667
Speaker 2: at twelve, He's like a key who unlocks us outsides.

789
00:41:14,747 --> 00:41:18,827
Speaker 2: He's like a more skilled version of Conrad Smith. Goodness

790
00:41:18,907 --> 00:41:22,827
Speaker 2: me a more skilled version than Conrad Smith. He's like

791
00:41:22,947 --> 00:41:26,107
Speaker 2: glue holding the back line together. Thank you for that text,

792
00:41:27,747 --> 00:41:29,707
Speaker 2: Steve says, Piney, think another position. We need to look

793
00:41:29,707 --> 00:41:33,747
Speaker 2: at his hooker. Cody Taylor's been brilliant, but other than him,

794
00:41:33,827 --> 00:41:38,507
Speaker 2: questions need to be asked. See I wonder what they'll

795
00:41:38,507 --> 00:41:41,387
Speaker 2: do with the third hooker, whether George Bell is your

796
00:41:41,427 --> 00:41:43,867
Speaker 2: man Summer saun he talk Yahoo out till next season.

797
00:41:44,547 --> 00:41:46,267
Speaker 2: I don't know whether I've said enough from George Bell

798
00:41:46,347 --> 00:41:49,307
Speaker 2: this year to suggest that he is the third All

799
00:41:49,307 --> 00:41:51,587
Speaker 2: Blacks hooker. If Cody Taylor was to be in jeed

800
00:41:51,627 --> 00:41:54,307
Speaker 2: a suffer, one more presumably would start. Would George Bell

801
00:41:54,387 --> 00:41:59,227
Speaker 2: be your man Ricky Ricertelly Kurt Ecklund but more experienced.

802
00:41:59,227 --> 00:42:02,947
Speaker 2: There's that word again. So again the All Blacks fifteen

803
00:42:03,787 --> 00:42:06,427
Speaker 2: hookers and the All Blacks hookers will be interesting. Have

804
00:42:06,467 --> 00:42:09,827
Speaker 2: a look at tomorrow races, Pineyer. I hope Plumber plays

805
00:42:09,827 --> 00:42:13,787
Speaker 2: out of his skin today and shows what he's got

806
00:42:14,467 --> 00:42:16,387
Speaker 2: and what he could do on this tour. Thanks Ray

807
00:42:16,867 --> 00:42:18,987
Speaker 2: from Alex, I can see per Andarra going on the tour.

808
00:42:19,107 --> 00:42:21,427
Speaker 2: It's easy to accommodate a veter in his third half back.

809
00:42:21,867 --> 00:42:23,987
Speaker 2: Hotham and Roy Guard both need game time, so I

810
00:42:23,987 --> 00:42:25,227
Speaker 2: can see one of them being picked for the All

811
00:42:25,267 --> 00:42:28,147
Speaker 2: Blacks fifteen instead of just running drinks. Yea, that's likely

812
00:42:28,187 --> 00:42:30,427
Speaker 2: to be Noah Hotham, I would say. And Noah Hotham

813
00:42:30,467 --> 00:42:32,027
Speaker 2: if he goes on the All Blacks fifteen too, we'll

814
00:42:32,027 --> 00:42:37,387
Speaker 2: probably start both tests against or both games. Georgia and

815
00:42:37,467 --> 00:42:42,067
Speaker 2: Munster text lines open all afternoon nine two nine two

816
00:42:42,187 --> 00:42:44,627
Speaker 2: oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty gets you through

817
00:42:44,747 --> 00:42:47,987
Speaker 2: on the phone approaching eleven past one. Every couple of

818
00:42:48,027 --> 00:42:49,947
Speaker 2: months we shared you in a chat with New Zealand

819
00:42:50,027 --> 00:42:54,147
Speaker 2: Rugby CEO Mark Robinson on various rugby issues, and there

820
00:42:54,187 --> 00:42:56,867
Speaker 2: are a few around Today's that day. Thanks for your time, Mark,

821
00:42:57,387 --> 00:43:00,627
Speaker 2: fresh chat this week, let's start with this that France

822
00:43:01,467 --> 00:43:04,467
Speaker 2: may send an under strength side here next year for

823
00:43:04,507 --> 00:43:08,987
Speaker 2: three test matches. Us with your French counterparts. I know

824
00:43:09,027 --> 00:43:10,787
Speaker 2: you've been chatting to them over the last couple of days.

825
00:43:10,787 --> 00:43:13,347
Speaker 2: Have you been able to get any more clarity on this?

826
00:43:14,827 --> 00:43:17,987
Speaker 15: We got good as fine and hide all the listeners. Yeah,

827
00:43:17,987 --> 00:43:19,667
Speaker 15: we were, as we said in a statement through the week.

828
00:43:19,667 --> 00:43:23,867
Speaker 15: We were a little bit surprised to find this out

829
00:43:24,347 --> 00:43:27,707
Speaker 15: earlier in the week, and so initially there's a conversation

830
00:43:27,747 --> 00:43:33,547
Speaker 15: with World Rugby around what's you know what what was

831
00:43:33,587 --> 00:43:35,907
Speaker 15: happening with regards to this and checking in on some

832
00:43:35,947 --> 00:43:39,427
Speaker 15: of the some of the regulations, and then as you said,

833
00:43:39,467 --> 00:43:43,747
Speaker 15: had a chat with my French counterfait yesterday. Look, they're

834
00:43:43,787 --> 00:43:45,507
Speaker 15: going to have a think about where things are at

835
00:43:45,507 --> 00:43:49,787
Speaker 15: in relation to their position. But you know, I think

836
00:43:50,027 --> 00:43:51,747
Speaker 15: the key thing out of this is to recognize that,

837
00:43:51,827 --> 00:43:56,627
Speaker 15: regardless of what happens through this process, is a massive

838
00:43:56,627 --> 00:43:58,387
Speaker 15: amount to look forward to for the fans for next

839
00:43:58,427 --> 00:44:01,147
Speaker 15: year in terms of the quality of position we're going

840
00:44:01,147 --> 00:44:05,427
Speaker 15: to face. France will still send, you know, incredibly strong

841
00:44:05,547 --> 00:44:08,267
Speaker 15: side of had great success in under twenty eleven in

842
00:44:08,307 --> 00:44:10,227
Speaker 15: recent years and clearly they're one of the top teams

843
00:44:10,227 --> 00:44:12,827
Speaker 15: in the world. So that combined with South Africa at

844
00:44:12,827 --> 00:44:14,987
Speaker 15: home and Australia at home means that you know, we're

845
00:44:14,987 --> 00:44:17,067
Speaker 15: going to have an incredible series. But yeah, we've got

846
00:44:17,067 --> 00:44:18,587
Speaker 15: a little bit more work to do, Piney to start

847
00:44:18,667 --> 00:44:21,347
Speaker 15: to stand the options here and let France come back

848
00:44:21,347 --> 00:44:23,947
Speaker 15: to us after only probably a fifteen to twenty minute

849
00:44:24,027 --> 00:44:26,187
Speaker 15: chat yesterday morning with their CEO.

850
00:44:26,987 --> 00:44:28,747
Speaker 2: I think we all would love to see Antoine de

851
00:44:28,827 --> 00:44:30,507
Speaker 2: Pond here, right, We'd all love to see, you know,

852
00:44:30,587 --> 00:44:32,707
Speaker 2: a player of his caliber and others in that French

853
00:44:32,707 --> 00:44:36,107
Speaker 2: team come down. Do World Rugby have any rules around

854
00:44:36,747 --> 00:44:40,307
Speaker 2: making yourself available at certain times for national tours?

855
00:44:40,947 --> 00:44:45,307
Speaker 15: The regulation nine, you know, sets out the windows where

856
00:44:47,187 --> 00:44:52,267
Speaker 15: we hope that all national unions treat with respect in

857
00:44:52,347 --> 00:44:54,947
Speaker 15: terms of making sure that teams are at full strength

858
00:44:55,747 --> 00:44:59,827
Speaker 15: when they tour different destinations. So that's obviously one and

859
00:44:59,867 --> 00:45:01,627
Speaker 15: a few other things that we just need to check

860
00:45:01,667 --> 00:45:06,147
Speaker 15: in and to understand here before we have further discussions.

861
00:45:06,187 --> 00:45:08,667
Speaker 15: But you know, I think by and large we've all

862
00:45:08,707 --> 00:45:10,747
Speaker 15: got to respect that when we look at Ireland here

863
00:45:10,747 --> 00:45:13,987
Speaker 15: in twenty twenty two, we look at England here this year,

864
00:45:14,147 --> 00:45:17,707
Speaker 15: both you know, took fantastic approaches to touring with full

865
00:45:17,747 --> 00:45:21,387
Speaker 15: strength sides. Certainly the Nation's Cup, which have been working

866
00:45:21,427 --> 00:45:25,067
Speaker 15: on one of the way, as you mentioned, sets up

867
00:45:25,067 --> 00:45:29,267
Speaker 15: a competition in July and November where you know, every

868
00:45:29,347 --> 00:45:32,187
Speaker 15: international team will be encouraged to be sending their best

869
00:45:32,187 --> 00:45:35,147
Speaker 15: teams to compete for what's going to be a highly

870
00:45:35,187 --> 00:45:38,547
Speaker 15: regarded and highly contested competition. So so yeah, there are

871
00:45:38,547 --> 00:45:40,987
Speaker 15: some things and play around that. But like a lot

872
00:45:41,027 --> 00:45:43,187
Speaker 15: of things on the international game and in the different

873
00:45:43,227 --> 00:45:45,987
Speaker 15: forums were work and you know, there are processes and

874
00:45:46,027 --> 00:45:47,147
Speaker 15: compromises to work through.

875
00:45:47,707 --> 00:45:50,707
Speaker 2: All right, let's hope for some clarity and some positivity

876
00:45:50,747 --> 00:45:54,587
Speaker 2: around that when discussions continue. Sounds like you're also close

877
00:45:54,627 --> 00:45:57,947
Speaker 2: to signing off on a three test eight match tour

878
00:45:58,027 --> 00:46:00,267
Speaker 2: of South Africa twenty twenty six. Can you give us

879
00:46:00,467 --> 00:46:01,307
Speaker 2: any update there?

880
00:46:02,307 --> 00:46:02,747
Speaker 12: Yeah, we are.

881
00:46:02,747 --> 00:46:06,867
Speaker 15: We're making really good proviss Piney. We obviously had I

882
00:46:06,907 --> 00:46:09,347
Speaker 15: was in South Ara, South Africa for about ten days

883
00:46:09,947 --> 00:46:14,507
Speaker 15: around the two test matches and definitely there's been some

884
00:46:14,667 --> 00:46:17,907
Speaker 15: really good advancement with that. There's just a few things

885
00:46:17,907 --> 00:46:20,667
Speaker 15: to work for around you know, the commercial arrangements and

886
00:46:20,747 --> 00:46:23,747
Speaker 15: the final schedule. But i'd like to think, you know,

887
00:46:23,787 --> 00:46:26,587
Speaker 15: we're getting closer closer to that in the coming weeks

888
00:46:26,627 --> 00:46:28,627
Speaker 15: and you know, maybe up to six to eight weeks

889
00:46:28,627 --> 00:46:29,027
Speaker 15: sort of thing.

890
00:46:29,227 --> 00:46:31,627
Speaker 2: How about that a fake the Rugby Championship.

891
00:46:31,987 --> 00:46:35,227
Speaker 15: Well, we're working on different models for that with with

892
00:46:35,347 --> 00:46:38,707
Speaker 15: Australia and Argentina at the moment, and that's in time.

893
00:46:38,747 --> 00:46:43,027
Speaker 15: That will probably be more for Sandsada comment on you know,

894
00:46:43,067 --> 00:46:47,267
Speaker 15: when when everything's finalized. But we certainly, you know, want

895
00:46:47,307 --> 00:46:49,387
Speaker 15: to make sure that our partners in the Sands r

896
00:46:49,467 --> 00:46:53,787
Speaker 15: JV have great schedules and great competition, and there's a

897
00:46:53,787 --> 00:46:56,587
Speaker 15: whole range of different things being talked about about there

898
00:46:57,027 --> 00:47:00,867
Speaker 15: in twenty six and twenty thirty. Obviously twenty six or

899
00:47:00,907 --> 00:47:04,707
Speaker 15: in twenty thirty will obviously be you know, more change

900
00:47:04,707 --> 00:47:07,307
Speaker 15: than maybe some of those intervening years where some of

901
00:47:07,307 --> 00:47:09,107
Speaker 15: the previous models are being looked at, as well as

902
00:47:09,107 --> 00:47:12,867
Speaker 15: some other concepts around touring, and you know, we just

903
00:47:12,907 --> 00:47:14,467
Speaker 15: need a little bit more time on that. In twenty

904
00:47:14,467 --> 00:47:16,787
Speaker 15: twenty six and twenty thirty, maybe there's a possibility to

905
00:47:18,267 --> 00:47:21,347
Speaker 15: include other nations, a lot of the likes of you know,

906
00:47:21,387 --> 00:47:25,347
Speaker 15: maybe Fiji in Japan, and also the possibilities of us

907
00:47:25,387 --> 00:47:26,867
Speaker 15: still playing regular.

908
00:47:26,547 --> 00:47:27,987
Speaker 6: Fictures, specially like the Letterslows.

909
00:47:28,027 --> 00:47:31,227
Speaker 15: So there's in our mind when you combine, you know,

910
00:47:31,307 --> 00:47:34,267
Speaker 15: those tour concepts what we're looking to finalize with the

911
00:47:34,627 --> 00:47:39,107
Speaker 15: Rugby Championship as well as the two lines tours, a

912
00:47:39,187 --> 00:47:42,067
Speaker 15: World Cup in this part of the world and in

913
00:47:42,187 --> 00:47:43,907
Speaker 15: the Club World Cup that we're working on for twenty

914
00:47:43,947 --> 00:47:46,347
Speaker 15: twenty eight, there's still a massive amount of opportunity for

915
00:47:47,147 --> 00:47:49,627
Speaker 15: fans and a lot of excitement for people in this

916
00:47:49,667 --> 00:47:50,867
Speaker 15: part of the world to follow rugby.

917
00:47:50,947 --> 00:47:53,427
Speaker 2: Are you suggesting that Japan or Fiji might replace the

918
00:47:53,427 --> 00:47:54,947
Speaker 2: All Blacks in the Rugby Championship?

919
00:47:55,787 --> 00:47:57,547
Speaker 15: No, no, no, not at all. I'm just saying that

920
00:47:57,587 --> 00:48:02,187
Speaker 15: in some of those weeks where we are where in

921
00:48:02,187 --> 00:48:05,147
Speaker 15: twenty six and twenty thirty, there might be the possibilities

922
00:48:05,147 --> 00:48:06,707
Speaker 15: for them to be involved in extras.

923
00:48:06,707 --> 00:48:07,827
Speaker 19: That's to be works for I guess.

924
00:48:07,907 --> 00:48:11,307
Speaker 15: I mean, you've got to realize that in twenty twenty

925
00:48:11,347 --> 00:48:15,307
Speaker 15: six of the Nation's Cup begins, the possibility that countries

926
00:48:15,467 --> 00:48:19,627
Speaker 15: like fig in Japan will be involved at international, top

927
00:48:19,667 --> 00:48:23,267
Speaker 15: tier international level already, so you know, a natural extension

928
00:48:23,307 --> 00:48:27,187
Speaker 15: of that in years such as South Africa All Blacks tours,

929
00:48:27,227 --> 00:48:28,587
Speaker 15: they might be other opportunities as well.

930
00:48:29,027 --> 00:48:31,347
Speaker 2: Are we going to see an Anzac day Bledisloe Cup

931
00:48:31,387 --> 00:48:32,307
Speaker 2: test moving forward?

932
00:48:33,427 --> 00:48:35,747
Speaker 15: Look, we're you know, we remain open minded on it.

933
00:48:35,787 --> 00:48:41,827
Speaker 15: We you know, we certainly had a lot of good

934
00:48:41,827 --> 00:48:45,347
Speaker 15: time in Australia when I was in Sydney for the

935
00:48:45,347 --> 00:48:47,627
Speaker 15: Bledisloe one this year to talk through some of those

936
00:48:47,627 --> 00:48:49,067
Speaker 15: things and we just need a little bit more time

937
00:48:49,107 --> 00:48:52,947
Speaker 15: with it. There's there's obviously some potential impacts to think

938
00:48:52,947 --> 00:48:57,867
Speaker 15: about as it relates to Super Rugby, and we just

939
00:48:57,907 --> 00:48:59,787
Speaker 15: need to understand like a lot of these things, the

940
00:49:00,147 --> 00:49:05,827
Speaker 15: commercial model, the player wellfare considerations and how it fits

941
00:49:05,867 --> 00:49:08,467
Speaker 15: into the over or calendar. So we had a really

942
00:49:08,467 --> 00:49:12,107
Speaker 15: good discussion about it. There seems to be certainly some

943
00:49:12,427 --> 00:49:16,187
Speaker 15: fan interest and following, you know, things like social media

944
00:49:16,227 --> 00:49:17,867
Speaker 15: and media and that sort of thing. So so we

945
00:49:17,947 --> 00:49:19,027
Speaker 15: just need a little bit more time on that.

946
00:49:19,107 --> 00:49:23,867
Speaker 2: Pinting is this is this in a way plicating Australia

947
00:49:23,907 --> 00:49:25,707
Speaker 2: given the fact you might be touring South Africa by

948
00:49:25,747 --> 00:49:28,707
Speaker 2: the looks of it, so you know, maybe less Rugby

949
00:49:28,787 --> 00:49:31,387
Speaker 2: Championship content for example. Is this the way of applicating

950
00:49:31,707 --> 00:49:34,507
Speaker 2: the Australians by saying, okay, we'll play a Bledisloe Cup

951
00:49:34,507 --> 00:49:37,467
Speaker 2: test on ENZGG day as a as a quid pro

952
00:49:37,627 --> 00:49:40,067
Speaker 2: quoil or similar No.

953
00:49:40,307 --> 00:49:43,587
Speaker 15: I don't think so. I mean we're we're working through

954
00:49:43,627 --> 00:49:47,187
Speaker 15: an arrangement in the current work with Santa that we

955
00:49:47,227 --> 00:49:50,067
Speaker 15: would continue to play the two Bloodstone matches that we

956
00:49:50,107 --> 00:49:53,187
Speaker 15: do at present, you know, going forward, the two matches

957
00:49:53,227 --> 00:49:59,507
Speaker 15: we play currently around the Rugby Championship. I think, you know,

958
00:49:59,587 --> 00:50:03,107
Speaker 15: this is something new and interesting that clearly is is

959
00:50:03,187 --> 00:50:06,747
Speaker 15: resonated with fans. It's a it's a really important you

960
00:50:06,787 --> 00:50:09,947
Speaker 15: know date in both the New Zealand and Australian calendars,

961
00:50:09,987 --> 00:50:14,347
Speaker 15: and it's it's something that is certainly worth consideration of

962
00:50:14,347 --> 00:50:15,227
Speaker 15: its own merits.

963
00:50:15,587 --> 00:50:17,787
Speaker 2: What have you made of the All Blacks first nine

964
00:50:17,827 --> 00:50:19,387
Speaker 2: Test matches under Scott Robertson.

965
00:50:21,307 --> 00:50:25,187
Speaker 15: I look overall the direction of Trevor we're really encouraged by.

966
00:50:25,307 --> 00:50:28,347
Speaker 15: But you know, as a team as a razor and

967
00:50:28,827 --> 00:50:32,307
Speaker 15: teams acknowledge, you know, no one around the All Blacks

968
00:50:32,307 --> 00:50:35,667
Speaker 15: are in and the organization likes to lose, and so

969
00:50:35,707 --> 00:50:38,427
Speaker 15: there's clearly some disappointment there. But overall, when you think

970
00:50:38,427 --> 00:50:40,467
Speaker 15: of the you know, the change you've had in management

971
00:50:40,507 --> 00:50:44,547
Speaker 15: and the playing group, and you combine that with an

972
00:50:44,547 --> 00:50:46,747
Speaker 15: extremely tough schedule when you look at you know where

973
00:50:46,747 --> 00:50:49,707
Speaker 15: we're where we've toured in terms of South Africa, England

974
00:50:49,747 --> 00:50:53,827
Speaker 15: at home, a top sort of five team, a team

975
00:50:53,827 --> 00:50:55,707
Speaker 15: in the world as well, and then the kind of

976
00:50:55,747 --> 00:50:58,667
Speaker 15: end of years two we've got. Overall, we're really encouraged by,

977
00:50:58,867 --> 00:51:03,947
Speaker 15: Like the unknowthing of some really really great young talent.

978
00:51:05,027 --> 00:51:06,987
Speaker 15: Definitely some you know, I think everyone can see the

979
00:51:06,987 --> 00:51:09,987
Speaker 15: progression in the in the game of the team, so so.

980
00:51:09,987 --> 00:51:11,267
Speaker 6: Overall we're pretty happy.

981
00:51:11,307 --> 00:51:13,907
Speaker 15: But always as there are in all of our teams,

982
00:51:13,907 --> 00:51:15,627
Speaker 15: and Black Environce has always work to do and they're

983
00:51:15,627 --> 00:51:18,387
Speaker 15: always really demanding, so we'll just keep supporting them all

984
00:51:18,427 --> 00:51:20,907
Speaker 15: we can. But you know, absolutely we think it's been

985
00:51:20,947 --> 00:51:22,267
Speaker 15: a pretty solid start a.

986
00:51:22,347 --> 00:51:24,787
Speaker 2: Year out from their World Cup. How worried should we

987
00:51:24,827 --> 00:51:26,107
Speaker 2: be about the Black Foods?

988
00:51:27,707 --> 00:51:27,867
Speaker 12: Oh?

989
00:51:27,907 --> 00:51:30,187
Speaker 15: Look, I think you know when we when we saw

990
00:51:30,187 --> 00:51:32,827
Speaker 15: the game, I was up twicking them for the game

991
00:51:32,827 --> 00:51:35,747
Speaker 15: against England, and there were some really encouraging signs here

992
00:51:35,787 --> 00:51:37,547
Speaker 15: as well. I think everyone would acknowledge she had been

993
00:51:37,547 --> 00:51:41,307
Speaker 15: some really positive shifts in large, you know, many aspects

994
00:51:41,307 --> 00:51:44,867
Speaker 15: of the of the player of the team. And clearly

995
00:51:45,547 --> 00:51:48,387
Speaker 15: the game against Ireland was a disappointment again the senior

996
00:51:48,387 --> 00:51:52,587
Speaker 15: players and Allen clearly frustrated by that. But I think

997
00:51:52,627 --> 00:51:56,827
Speaker 15: again the overall trajectory were still you know, twelve months

998
00:51:56,947 --> 00:51:59,707
Speaker 15: or so to go again, emergence of a lot of

999
00:51:59,747 --> 00:52:02,587
Speaker 15: good young talent, a full Super Rugby o picking season

1000
00:52:03,907 --> 00:52:05,947
Speaker 15: in front of us, and two more tough tough tests

1001
00:52:05,987 --> 00:52:10,067
Speaker 15: and coming days. We still think that preparing well, but yeah,

1002
00:52:10,067 --> 00:52:11,907
Speaker 15: there'll be you know, when the team gets home, we

1003
00:52:12,027 --> 00:52:14,787
Speaker 15: will have to take the time to review those you know,

1004
00:52:14,827 --> 00:52:17,027
Speaker 15: this campaign and understand how we can help them to

1005
00:52:17,387 --> 00:52:18,547
Speaker 15: improve going into next year.

1006
00:52:18,627 --> 00:52:20,787
Speaker 2: All right, a couple of water issues. Where are we

1007
00:52:20,907 --> 00:52:24,667
Speaker 2: with the twenty minute red card and international rugby.

1008
00:52:26,547 --> 00:52:30,227
Speaker 15: We hope that'll go back to council with World Rugby

1009
00:52:30,307 --> 00:52:34,947
Speaker 15: in mid November for a vote. At that stage, you know,

1010
00:52:35,187 --> 00:52:38,107
Speaker 15: I think there's been there's been some countries and in

1011
00:52:38,147 --> 00:52:40,747
Speaker 15: one in particular in France obviously, who are very clear

1012
00:52:40,747 --> 00:52:44,187
Speaker 15: in the aviews. But I think overall there seems to

1013
00:52:44,227 --> 00:52:46,347
Speaker 15: be an acknowledgment that would be a good thing for

1014
00:52:46,347 --> 00:52:49,147
Speaker 15: the game, and there's a couple actually sort of small

1015
00:52:49,187 --> 00:52:53,587
Speaker 15: alterations being looked at to give confidence to more nations

1016
00:52:53,587 --> 00:52:55,187
Speaker 15: around the world. That's the right thing for the game.

1017
00:52:55,227 --> 00:52:57,987
Speaker 15: But again we just we just have to work through

1018
00:52:57,987 --> 00:53:00,467
Speaker 15: that when we get up into the Northern Hemisphere in November.

1019
00:53:01,547 --> 00:53:04,307
Speaker 2: The process for the appointment of the new New Zealand

1020
00:53:04,347 --> 00:53:06,787
Speaker 2: Rugby Board, I say there were some updates on that today,

1021
00:53:06,787 --> 00:53:10,587
Speaker 2: with Dame Patsy already confirming she won't restand we have

1022
00:53:11,067 --> 00:53:14,027
Speaker 2: a process for the appointment of a new board, hopefully

1023
00:53:14,067 --> 00:53:16,387
Speaker 2: before the end of the year. Is this something you

1024
00:53:16,467 --> 00:53:19,347
Speaker 2: just keep an eye on you work in the operational space,

1025
00:53:19,347 --> 00:53:22,347
Speaker 2: obviously this is a board thing. Do you have any

1026
00:53:22,507 --> 00:53:23,907
Speaker 2: involvement in this at all?

1027
00:53:24,907 --> 00:53:31,187
Speaker 15: No, No, I don't. Yeah, there's a governance and stakeholder

1028
00:53:31,187 --> 00:53:36,747
Speaker 15: panel set up to help support the appointment of a

1029
00:53:36,787 --> 00:53:43,547
Speaker 15: appointments and remuneration to me which sort of selects the

1030
00:53:43,547 --> 00:53:46,187
Speaker 15: the board, and I'm not involved in any of those discussions.

1031
00:53:46,347 --> 00:53:50,307
Speaker 2: Have you read Johnny Sexton's book, No, I haven't.

1032
00:53:50,347 --> 00:53:52,947
Speaker 15: I there's a bit of noise about that through the week.

1033
00:53:52,947 --> 00:53:56,547
Speaker 15: I'm sure he's sold a few more more versions of

1034
00:53:56,547 --> 00:53:59,467
Speaker 15: it as a result of the you know, the going

1035
00:53:59,467 --> 00:54:02,107
Speaker 15: between him and him and Rico. But oh, look, you know,

1036
00:54:02,587 --> 00:54:04,467
Speaker 15: I think to the media early in the week where

1037
00:54:04,667 --> 00:54:07,307
Speaker 15: I just said this is this is being rightly or wrongly.

1038
00:54:07,347 --> 00:54:09,427
Speaker 15: It's been part of the game for a long time,

1039
00:54:09,587 --> 00:54:12,787
Speaker 15: and I think, you know, normally it's certainly left on

1040
00:54:12,827 --> 00:54:16,227
Speaker 15: the field. Clearly you know that's not the case this

1041
00:54:16,347 --> 00:54:19,027
Speaker 15: time around. But you know, we don't really get involved

1042
00:54:19,027 --> 00:54:20,467
Speaker 15: in it too much. It's certainly been great for the

1043
00:54:20,467 --> 00:54:22,627
Speaker 15: fans to sort of speculate on and have your views on.

1044
00:54:22,707 --> 00:54:25,747
Speaker 15: And it's just another one of the interesting stories going

1045
00:54:25,747 --> 00:54:26,667
Speaker 15: on around the game at present.

1046
00:54:26,787 --> 00:54:28,827
Speaker 2: All right, and you're Amber and Black should beloved. Amber

1047
00:54:28,867 --> 00:54:30,947
Speaker 2: and Black's have a crack at winning the logeroolf Tasman.

1048
00:54:31,107 --> 00:54:32,867
Speaker 2: I think most people want it to stay in Tasman,

1049
00:54:32,947 --> 00:54:33,347
Speaker 2: don't they.

1050
00:54:33,507 --> 00:54:37,307
Speaker 15: Mar Well, yeah, I've had a couple of people tip

1051
00:54:37,387 --> 00:54:39,107
Speaker 15: me away through the week about why the Barrett Boys

1052
00:54:39,187 --> 00:54:40,947
Speaker 15: up playing, and I've sort of said I'm a little

1053
00:54:40,947 --> 00:54:42,547
Speaker 15: bit more removed it from that. Go and go and

1054
00:54:42,547 --> 00:54:45,427
Speaker 15: talk to raisers. So look, it's great, isn't There's been

1055
00:54:45,427 --> 00:54:47,867
Speaker 15: some amazing scenes down in the in the top of

1056
00:54:47,907 --> 00:54:52,067
Speaker 15: the South through the year, and you know, we're delighted

1057
00:54:52,067 --> 00:54:54,387
Speaker 15: to see so much passion around the competition as we

1058
00:54:54,467 --> 00:54:56,987
Speaker 15: always here. It's got very pivotal part in the in

1059
00:54:57,027 --> 00:54:58,867
Speaker 15: the game in New Zealand, and it's just great to

1060
00:54:58,867 --> 00:55:02,187
Speaker 15: see so much good coverage around it in great provincial

1061
00:55:02,267 --> 00:55:05,627
Speaker 15: rivalries and some of those histories being brought to bought

1062
00:55:05,667 --> 00:55:07,907
Speaker 15: twyphon any community. So it's all good stuff.

1063
00:55:08,427 --> 00:55:11,387
Speaker 2: Always appreciate your availability to me and to our audience. Mark,

1064
00:55:11,467 --> 00:55:12,427
Speaker 2: enjoy the rest of your weekend.

1065
00:55:12,627 --> 00:55:14,107
Speaker 15: Thanks buddy, take you.

1066
00:55:13,907 --> 00:55:16,387
Speaker 2: Take care to Mark Mark Robinson, then CEO of New

1067
00:55:16,467 --> 00:55:18,907
Speaker 2: Zealand Rugby, you might have some views on some of

1068
00:55:18,907 --> 00:55:21,507
Speaker 2: the stuff that was talked about there. Eight hundred and

1069
00:55:21,547 --> 00:55:25,027
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty is our number. ANZAC Day Test, this

1070
00:55:25,107 --> 00:55:27,507
Speaker 2: has been talked about. I think this will happen. It

1071
00:55:27,547 --> 00:55:29,227
Speaker 2: feels as though it will. What will it mean for

1072
00:55:29,267 --> 00:55:32,347
Speaker 2: Super Rugby. It'll have a major impact ANZAC DAR of

1073
00:55:32,427 --> 00:55:35,667
Speaker 2: course being in April, which is kind of in the heart,

1074
00:55:35,867 --> 00:55:38,387
Speaker 2: right in the heart of Super rugby. And it won't

1075
00:55:38,427 --> 00:55:41,787
Speaker 2: just be players coming out for a weekend, It'll be

1076
00:55:42,267 --> 00:55:45,547
Speaker 2: the week leading in the week after for recovery, that

1077
00:55:45,627 --> 00:55:48,387
Speaker 2: sort of thing. There's all sorts of protocols around this

1078
00:55:48,427 --> 00:55:51,387
Speaker 2: sort of thing. So an ANZAC day Test, like I say,

1079
00:55:51,387 --> 00:55:52,907
Speaker 2: it just feels to me as though it's something that

1080
00:55:52,947 --> 00:55:55,627
Speaker 2: New Zealand Rugby have thrown to Rugby Australia as a

1081
00:55:55,627 --> 00:55:58,507
Speaker 2: bit of a bone. Throw them a bone because here

1082
00:55:58,547 --> 00:56:03,467
Speaker 2: we are New Zealand Rugby and South African Rugby planning

1083
00:56:03,467 --> 00:56:06,947
Speaker 2: for these tours in twenty twenty six, all Blacks to

1084
00:56:06,987 --> 00:56:12,147
Speaker 2: go there presumably the other way in twenty thirty and

1085
00:56:12,587 --> 00:56:14,587
Speaker 2: Australia are kind of on the outside of that looking in,

1086
00:56:14,947 --> 00:56:17,707
Speaker 2: so I feel as though the Anzac Day Test is

1087
00:56:17,747 --> 00:56:20,267
Speaker 2: a way to plicate them, give them because the biggest,

1088
00:56:20,627 --> 00:56:23,067
Speaker 2: the biggest draw card for the Wallabies is playing against

1089
00:56:23,067 --> 00:56:26,947
Speaker 2: the All Blacks, no question about it. It's the biggest

1090
00:56:27,627 --> 00:56:30,107
Speaker 2: draw card for fans, for broadcasters, for sponsors, all that

1091
00:56:30,147 --> 00:56:32,267
Speaker 2: sort of thing. So I feel as though that's been

1092
00:56:33,227 --> 00:56:36,187
Speaker 2: put in there so that there's something for them. While

1093
00:56:36,707 --> 00:56:39,347
Speaker 2: the All Blacks in South African rugby plan for this tour,

1094
00:56:40,267 --> 00:56:42,347
Speaker 2: which by the sounds of it is three test matches

1095
00:56:42,347 --> 00:56:46,747
Speaker 2: and five midweek games, or or maybe a Saturday three

1096
00:56:46,827 --> 00:56:49,187
Speaker 2: Test matches in mid week games, whatever however they stack

1097
00:56:49,227 --> 00:56:52,067
Speaker 2: it up. Looking forward to it, a lot of us

1098
00:56:52,107 --> 00:56:56,627
Speaker 2: have missed the days of tours, old fashioned tours, and

1099
00:56:56,667 --> 00:56:58,467
Speaker 2: that looks like it's going to be. It's going to

1100
00:56:58,467 --> 00:57:06,587
Speaker 2: be locked in and France next year sending a we

1101
00:57:06,707 --> 00:57:08,667
Speaker 2: can side down here. I think this is new either.

1102
00:57:08,707 --> 00:57:11,067
Speaker 2: This was reported a few months ago that this may

1103
00:57:11,147 --> 00:57:14,787
Speaker 2: well happen. Compare it to the way that Ireland sent

1104
00:57:14,867 --> 00:57:16,747
Speaker 2: a team down here in twenty twenty two. England sent

1105
00:57:16,787 --> 00:57:18,627
Speaker 2: a team down here this year. The problem is the

1106
00:57:18,627 --> 00:57:21,547
Speaker 2: French clubs have far too much power, far too much power.

1107
00:57:22,667 --> 00:57:28,387
Speaker 2: That's the issue here. They you know, they they rolled

1108
00:57:28,387 --> 00:57:30,787
Speaker 2: the roost over there. I think the what I read

1109
00:57:30,907 --> 00:57:35,467
Speaker 2: or saw was that whoever or any players who are

1110
00:57:35,467 --> 00:57:37,507
Speaker 2: playing in the Top fourteen final for any of those

1111
00:57:37,507 --> 00:57:42,387
Speaker 2: French clubs won't come. Andy told me yesterday, producer Andy,

1112
00:57:42,427 --> 00:57:46,227
Speaker 2: that Antoine DuPont has only played I think, he said.

1113
00:57:46,267 --> 00:57:47,827
Speaker 2: And I'm like, he's just on the phone at the moment.

1114
00:57:47,947 --> 00:57:51,787
Speaker 2: I might get him to clarify this. Andy, you told

1115
00:57:51,787 --> 00:57:56,027
Speaker 2: me yesterday Antoine DuPont has played very few test matches

1116
00:57:56,067 --> 00:58:00,027
Speaker 2: outside of Europe? Was it one or two? Correct?

1117
00:57:59,867 --> 00:58:02,827
Speaker 20: But well not as four as According to my calculation,

1118
00:58:02,947 --> 00:58:06,107
Speaker 20: he played one of his first few tests in twenty

1119
00:58:06,107 --> 00:58:09,507
Speaker 20: seven against South Africa and then he played three tests

1120
00:58:09,627 --> 00:58:11,547
Speaker 20: in Japan in the twenty nineteen Rugby World Cup. And

1121
00:58:11,587 --> 00:58:14,107
Speaker 20: I think that's it outside of Europe.

1122
00:58:14,787 --> 00:58:15,067
Speaker 18: Wow.

1123
00:58:15,667 --> 00:58:18,027
Speaker 20: And this goes along with all of his clubs, club

1124
00:58:18,107 --> 00:58:21,067
Speaker 20: games and whatnot. So he's probably played over two hundred

1125
00:58:21,107 --> 00:58:24,107
Speaker 20: professional games of rugby faster has a yest in Europe

1126
00:58:24,147 --> 00:58:25,547
Speaker 20: and four outside of it.

1127
00:58:26,027 --> 00:58:28,947
Speaker 2: That's mental. That is crazy, what a crazy stat. Was

1128
00:58:28,987 --> 00:58:29,827
Speaker 2: he afraid of flying?

1129
00:58:31,587 --> 00:58:34,347
Speaker 20: I Mentionine, not of what he does on the rugby field.

1130
00:58:34,347 --> 00:58:36,227
Speaker 20: I don't think he has any fear, to be honest,

1131
00:58:36,267 --> 00:58:39,347
Speaker 20: but you can't. I mean, I rate him as probably

1132
00:58:39,427 --> 00:58:41,547
Speaker 20: the best player in the world, but there's still that

1133
00:58:41,587 --> 00:58:42,787
Speaker 20: shadow hanging over thee.

1134
00:58:42,947 --> 00:58:44,547
Speaker 2: If you're the best, you you've.

1135
00:58:44,347 --> 00:58:46,387
Speaker 20: Got to be able to go away from home a

1136
00:58:46,467 --> 00:58:48,867
Speaker 20: long way and one and if you think about that

1137
00:58:48,907 --> 00:58:51,427
Speaker 20: South Africa Test as well, that's not even in a

1138
00:58:51,427 --> 00:58:53,627
Speaker 20: different time zone. So he's really only had three tests

1139
00:58:53,627 --> 00:58:58,067
Speaker 20: where he's had to travel and do the body clock

1140
00:58:58,147 --> 00:59:01,787
Speaker 20: stuff that a lot of the All Blacks and a

1141
00:59:01,787 --> 00:59:03,907
Speaker 20: lot of other rugby players actually have to do when

1142
00:59:03,907 --> 00:59:04,627
Speaker 20: they go on tour.

1143
00:59:06,387 --> 00:59:07,787
Speaker 2: To see him, he wouldn't. I think we all want

1144
00:59:07,827 --> 00:59:09,547
Speaker 2: to see him here. We want to see a full

1145
00:59:09,587 --> 00:59:12,627
Speaker 2: strength French side, just like you know when Ireland came here,

1146
00:59:12,947 --> 00:59:14,747
Speaker 2: when England came here early this year for two really

1147
00:59:14,787 --> 00:59:16,587
Speaker 2: good test matchers. We'd love to see a full strength

1148
00:59:16,907 --> 00:59:18,467
Speaker 2: French side here, but by the sound of it, there's

1149
00:59:18,507 --> 00:59:21,667
Speaker 2: no hope of it unfortunately, Thanks mate. That is a

1150
00:59:21,827 --> 00:59:25,027
Speaker 2: that is quite the glaring gap though. In Antoine du

1151
00:59:25,027 --> 00:59:26,027
Speaker 2: Pont's c V.

1152
00:59:26,227 --> 00:59:30,227
Speaker 14: Hello Caine, that's why you would be the coat I

1153
00:59:30,267 --> 00:59:34,027
Speaker 14: recon Yeah, I reckon.

1154
00:59:34,507 --> 00:59:37,467
Speaker 7: When I listened to ras on his interviews, he reminds

1155
00:59:37,507 --> 00:59:41,307
Speaker 7: me of doc mad scientists from Back to the Future

1156
00:59:41,947 --> 00:59:48,227
Speaker 7: and anything like, Well, it'd be great for Raise somehow

1157
00:59:48,267 --> 00:59:51,187
Speaker 7: try and plan for Rico. I need be to be

1158
00:59:51,267 --> 00:59:54,187
Speaker 7: their five scorer of the first Test. How good woul

1159
00:59:54,187 --> 00:59:54,627
Speaker 7: that'd be.

1160
00:59:56,667 --> 00:59:59,947
Speaker 2: Against against against Ireland? Yeah, well there's already a great

1161
00:59:59,947 --> 01:00:03,027
Speaker 2: storyliners in there around around that. I mean, you can

1162
01:00:03,027 --> 01:00:05,627
Speaker 2: you imagine the reception Rico Yan is going to get

1163
01:00:05,667 --> 01:00:07,547
Speaker 2: in Dublin in the odd lags play Island.

1164
01:00:08,867 --> 01:00:10,507
Speaker 7: I would feel it all the way back here, and

1165
01:00:10,547 --> 01:00:12,667
Speaker 7: a mate, we would, we would feel it all the

1166
01:00:12,667 --> 01:00:16,267
Speaker 7: way back here. And Ulothy also if we could somehow

1167
01:00:16,467 --> 01:00:19,547
Speaker 7: work we go into the first try of the Irish

1168
01:00:19,587 --> 01:00:23,147
Speaker 7: states of the first day and they'll just be right

1169
01:00:23,227 --> 01:00:25,947
Speaker 7: out the ruin out of the block. So they were

1170
01:00:25,987 --> 01:00:30,347
Speaker 7: really everybody but older one seeing the other one's playing

1171
01:00:30,427 --> 01:00:34,547
Speaker 7: actually against the big three because no bigger tastes you

1172
01:00:34,627 --> 01:00:36,387
Speaker 7: know then the big three really because they are the

1173
01:00:36,427 --> 01:00:40,507
Speaker 7: big three of Europe. So seeing the likes of you know,

1174
01:00:40,867 --> 01:00:42,987
Speaker 7: but I mean saving I mean, if the same kind

1175
01:00:43,027 --> 01:00:44,987
Speaker 7: of story and he's still the same in the same kin.

1176
01:00:45,107 --> 01:00:48,627
Speaker 7: So got sort of denying him, you know, and t

1177
01:00:48,827 --> 01:00:52,347
Speaker 7: J may be pretty much on his way out, so yeah,

1178
01:00:52,427 --> 01:00:54,787
Speaker 7: I mean I I would have one seeing proper and

1179
01:00:55,027 --> 01:00:57,787
Speaker 7: Kowani actually Georg a bit of a break.

1180
01:00:58,987 --> 01:01:01,347
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess, yeah, I guess the issue the kind

1181
01:01:01,387 --> 01:01:03,107
Speaker 2: of Yeah, I guess the issue there is that that

1182
01:01:03,307 --> 01:01:06,107
Speaker 2: neither of them is a second five eight both centers,

1183
01:01:07,107 --> 01:01:12,027
Speaker 2: So yeah, that would be problematic. I think moving forward,

1184
01:01:12,307 --> 01:01:15,987
Speaker 2: Billy Proctor is going to put massive pressure on Riki

1185
01:01:16,067 --> 01:01:18,667
Speaker 2: Yuwani for that thirteen Jersey. I watched him play yesterday

1186
01:01:18,667 --> 01:01:20,267
Speaker 2: for Wellington, the first time he's played a game of

1187
01:01:20,307 --> 01:01:23,587
Speaker 2: rugby for a long time. He played in that Test

1188
01:01:23,627 --> 01:01:27,787
Speaker 2: match against Fiji up in San Diego. That was on

1189
01:01:27,827 --> 01:01:32,427
Speaker 2: the twentieth of July. What's that three months ago? Nearly

1190
01:01:33,987 --> 01:01:35,867
Speaker 2: he might have played the odd game for Wellington. I

1191
01:01:35,907 --> 01:01:38,027
Speaker 2: think I remember him playing one or two games, but

1192
01:01:38,427 --> 01:01:41,147
Speaker 2: the way he played yesterday, and I know it's a

1193
01:01:41,227 --> 01:01:45,147
Speaker 2: step down to the NPC, but he's a terrific player,

1194
01:01:45,187 --> 01:01:47,987
Speaker 2: Billy Proctor. I feel like he has to get one

1195
01:01:47,987 --> 01:01:51,227
Speaker 2: of those big test matches he'll play against Japan. I

1196
01:01:51,307 --> 01:01:53,747
Speaker 2: would say, I get the feeling the team that plays

1197
01:01:53,747 --> 01:01:56,347
Speaker 2: against Japan will be very similar to the team that

1198
01:01:56,387 --> 01:01:59,387
Speaker 2: played against Fiji in San Diego, and they're going to

1199
01:01:59,467 --> 01:02:01,307
Speaker 2: send a bunch of players on to get ready for

1200
01:02:01,307 --> 01:02:03,827
Speaker 2: the England Test. But I feel like Billy Proctor is

1201
01:02:03,827 --> 01:02:06,027
Speaker 2: one of those players who hasn't had a lot of

1202
01:02:06,067 --> 01:02:11,667
Speaker 2: open tunity this year who should be putting real pressure

1203
01:02:12,507 --> 01:02:16,587
Speaker 2: on on Rico Yoanni and on Scott robertson to you know,

1204
01:02:16,627 --> 01:02:20,507
Speaker 2: to pick him one point thirty shares, says Pinety. You

1205
01:02:20,507 --> 01:02:22,627
Speaker 2: obviously didn't see George Bell playing for Canterby last night.

1206
01:02:23,547 --> 01:02:26,907
Speaker 2: I didn't, actually, I watched the back end of that game.

1207
01:02:27,067 --> 01:02:30,667
Speaker 2: I tell you who I did like was that Isaac Hutchinson.

1208
01:02:30,707 --> 01:02:34,987
Speaker 2: Did you see him, the Canterbury fullback. He looks like

1209
01:02:35,027 --> 01:02:37,467
Speaker 2: a player, doesn't he. I don't think he's even I

1210
01:02:37,507 --> 01:02:40,987
Speaker 2: think he is. He twenty. He looked really good, Isaac Hutchinson.

1211
01:02:41,747 --> 01:02:44,867
Speaker 2: But no, I didn't watch George Bell play, Shares By

1212
01:02:44,867 --> 01:02:46,147
Speaker 2: the sounds of it from your text, he had a

1213
01:02:46,147 --> 01:02:48,227
Speaker 2: good game, so that's good to hear. He'll clearly be

1214
01:02:48,307 --> 01:02:49,947
Speaker 2: on in one of these squads tomorrow as well. We

1215
01:02:49,987 --> 01:02:51,427
Speaker 2: don't have a heck of a lot of hookers really,

1216
01:02:52,587 --> 01:02:55,827
Speaker 2: with Tokyaho and adjured, and you know others who I

1217
01:02:55,827 --> 01:02:57,347
Speaker 2: don't think are in the frame at all. I think

1218
01:02:58,027 --> 01:02:59,947
Speaker 2: George Bell will be on one of those two planes.

1219
01:03:00,227 --> 01:03:03,307
Speaker 2: It's just a matter of which one. Twenty nine to

1220
01:03:03,307 --> 01:03:06,147
Speaker 2: two we're back in a moment. Renfielly shield on the

1221
01:03:06,187 --> 01:03:07,867
Speaker 2: line for the last time in twenty twenty four at

1222
01:03:07,867 --> 01:03:11,467
Speaker 2: Trafalgar Park and Nelson. This afternoon, Tasman we'll try and

1223
01:03:11,507 --> 01:03:14,747
Speaker 2: see off a defense from Tartanuki. Well have we preview

1224
01:03:14,747 --> 01:03:17,107
Speaker 2: of this game coming up shortly in the rat and

1225
01:03:17,147 --> 01:03:19,667
Speaker 2: Ferly shields the mighty old log of wood.

1226
01:03:19,787 --> 01:03:19,947
Speaker 21: Yeah.

1227
01:03:19,947 --> 01:03:23,187
Speaker 2: That was Tasman's first successful defense against Wellington on Wednesday

1228
01:03:23,267 --> 01:03:26,267
Speaker 2: night in the rain. They also repelled Auckland's challenge. Their

1229
01:03:26,587 --> 01:03:29,027
Speaker 2: third defense and the last one of the year, is

1230
01:03:29,067 --> 01:03:32,827
Speaker 2: this afternoon against Tartanucky in Nelson. It'll also be the

1231
01:03:32,867 --> 01:03:35,787
Speaker 2: final match for both sides in the NPC round robin

1232
01:03:35,827 --> 01:03:38,747
Speaker 2: before the playoffs. They'll both be there as things stand,

1233
01:03:38,787 --> 01:03:42,707
Speaker 2: Wellington forty points from ten games, Tasman thirty seven from nine,

1234
01:03:42,827 --> 01:03:46,267
Speaker 2: Tartanuky thirty five from nine. Bay of plenty thirty three

1235
01:03:46,347 --> 01:03:49,187
Speaker 2: from nine. They play Auckland this afternoon. All of those

1236
01:03:49,227 --> 01:03:51,787
Speaker 2: four Wellington Tasman Taranucky and Bay of Plenty will host

1237
01:03:51,827 --> 01:03:54,747
Speaker 2: a quarter final. It's just which order the'll finish in

1238
01:03:55,147 --> 01:03:57,427
Speaker 2: and who they'll play against. Five, six, seven and eight

1239
01:03:57,467 --> 01:04:00,867
Speaker 2: are seat Hawks, Bay, Canterbury, White, Cuttle Counties Manico in

1240
01:04:00,987 --> 01:04:05,307
Speaker 2: that order. Live commentary of Tasman Taranuky Goldsport and iHeartRadio

1241
01:04:05,347 --> 01:04:08,387
Speaker 2: from five past two this afternoon. Malcolm Jordan has to

1242
01:04:08,467 --> 01:04:12,027
Speaker 2: call with long time rugby coach and analyst Sam Ward.

1243
01:04:12,187 --> 01:04:15,587
Speaker 2: Alongside Sam, it feels like Tasman a favorites. Is that

1244
01:04:15,667 --> 01:04:16,627
Speaker 2: how you see it?

1245
01:04:17,227 --> 01:04:17,547
Speaker 11: Oh?

1246
01:04:17,747 --> 01:04:20,187
Speaker 21: I think Pony they have to be based on the

1247
01:04:20,267 --> 01:04:23,147
Speaker 21: rugby that they're playing this season. Obviously they've lost a

1248
01:04:23,147 --> 01:04:26,347
Speaker 21: few guys in the form of Strange and Hicks up

1249
01:04:26,347 --> 01:04:28,867
Speaker 21: front in their lineout, but I think that the way

1250
01:04:28,907 --> 01:04:31,467
Speaker 21: that they all seem to be on the same page,

1251
01:04:31,707 --> 01:04:34,307
Speaker 21: they're really clear around how they want to play. I

1252
01:04:34,347 --> 01:04:36,867
Speaker 21: think there's balance to their game. They know when to

1253
01:04:37,227 --> 01:04:38,827
Speaker 21: kick the door and through the middle of the park

1254
01:04:39,107 --> 01:04:42,987
Speaker 21: and they know when to I suppose unleash cover and

1255
01:04:43,227 --> 01:04:45,027
Speaker 21: I think the ballot of their game is really nice

1256
01:04:45,027 --> 01:04:45,507
Speaker 21: at the moment.

1257
01:04:46,267 --> 01:04:48,027
Speaker 2: Having the red Fairy shild on the line has to

1258
01:04:48,027 --> 01:04:49,027
Speaker 2: be a factor too, doesn't it.

1259
01:04:49,067 --> 01:04:49,227
Speaker 7: Sam.

1260
01:04:49,267 --> 01:04:51,467
Speaker 2: I mean, of course, if they win, they also finish top,

1261
01:04:51,587 --> 01:04:53,467
Speaker 2: so it's a bit of a double punch. But that

1262
01:04:53,507 --> 01:04:56,707
Speaker 2: log award just adds something, doesn't it.

1263
01:04:56,707 --> 01:04:59,347
Speaker 21: It certainly does. I think it's certainly heightened their focus,

1264
01:04:59,907 --> 01:05:03,267
Speaker 21: which isn't a bad thing heading into finals footy. It'll

1265
01:05:03,307 --> 01:05:06,067
Speaker 21: be easy to be worried about placings, et cetera. But

1266
01:05:06,107 --> 01:05:07,907
Speaker 21: I think I think today just needs to be a

1267
01:05:07,947 --> 01:05:10,467
Speaker 21: first job's first focus and make sure they hold.

1268
01:05:10,227 --> 01:05:11,987
Speaker 15: Onto that log Paraak.

1269
01:05:11,987 --> 01:05:13,627
Speaker 2: You could win, though, couldn't. They're not a bad side

1270
01:05:13,627 --> 01:05:14,707
Speaker 2: of the Amber and Blacks.

1271
01:05:15,067 --> 01:05:17,827
Speaker 21: They're a very good side. Neil Barnes has done an

1272
01:05:17,827 --> 01:05:19,427
Speaker 21: awesome job getting that pack.

1273
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Speaker 11: Up and running.

1274
01:05:20,067 --> 01:05:22,707
Speaker 21: They obviously won it last year and while they haven't

1275
01:05:22,747 --> 01:05:24,987
Speaker 21: been I suppose at the top for the whole of

1276
01:05:25,027 --> 01:05:27,427
Speaker 21: this year, they're warming into their work nicely. They'd be

1277
01:05:27,427 --> 01:05:30,027
Speaker 21: good to see Slater come in to the front row.

1278
01:05:30,027 --> 01:05:32,307
Speaker 21: Obviously they've made a few changes up front, and they've

1279
01:05:32,307 --> 01:05:35,707
Speaker 21: got an unbelievably exciting back line with Jacob obviously running

1280
01:05:35,747 --> 01:05:37,667
Speaker 21: the cutter and the three feet ends at the back

1281
01:05:37,707 --> 01:05:39,067
Speaker 21: in space it could be deadly.

1282
01:05:39,747 --> 01:05:41,387
Speaker 2: What about the All Blacks who are coming back and

1283
01:05:41,507 --> 01:05:43,787
Speaker 2: do you expect them to have a large impact on this.

1284
01:05:45,907 --> 01:05:46,347
Speaker 2: Yes and no.

1285
01:05:46,547 --> 01:05:49,707
Speaker 21: I mean yesterday we saw Royguard and Papoli coming in

1286
01:05:49,787 --> 01:05:53,747
Speaker 21: for counties. Both scored and obviously there'll be a big

1287
01:05:53,787 --> 01:05:57,587
Speaker 21: lift to the local boys. But I mean teams have

1288
01:05:57,667 --> 01:06:00,707
Speaker 21: been I suppose working hard for ten close to ten

1289
01:06:00,707 --> 01:06:03,347
Speaker 21: weeks now nine ten weeks including a pre season, so

1290
01:06:03,867 --> 01:06:06,027
Speaker 21: they found their rhythm and their cohesion. So as long

1291
01:06:06,067 --> 01:06:07,747
Speaker 21: as the All Blacks can add to what they're doing

1292
01:06:07,787 --> 01:06:10,307
Speaker 21: and not shaking up too much, then obviously they'll be

1293
01:06:10,307 --> 01:06:10,907
Speaker 21: in a good space.

1294
01:06:11,187 --> 01:06:11,387
Speaker 18: Yeah.

1295
01:06:11,387 --> 01:06:13,387
Speaker 2: You look at it and you say Ethan Blackett A Noah,

1296
01:06:13,387 --> 01:06:15,667
Speaker 2: hope them. David HARVILLI that's some pretty good cattle coming

1297
01:06:15,707 --> 01:06:17,587
Speaker 2: back for Tasman. I don't think no Hopem's in the

1298
01:06:17,667 --> 01:06:19,467
Speaker 2: starting is he? I think he's I think Hopem's on

1299
01:06:19,507 --> 01:06:21,707
Speaker 2: the benches and with Christie starting again, which is probably

1300
01:06:21,747 --> 01:06:22,267
Speaker 2: fair enough.

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01:06:23,067 --> 01:06:25,667
Speaker 21: Yeah, and that's probably just a sign of that cohesion

1302
01:06:25,707 --> 01:06:29,467
Speaker 21: that that thereafter. It's obviously been working with them. How

1303
01:06:29,547 --> 01:06:31,867
Speaker 21: Zilly the young has been searing the ship really well

1304
01:06:31,867 --> 01:06:33,787
Speaker 21: and obviously having his brother outside him's going to be

1305
01:06:33,867 --> 01:06:34,827
Speaker 21: teriostictive for them.

1306
01:06:35,587 --> 01:06:37,187
Speaker 2: Who do you reckon? Whin's the whole thing. I know

1307
01:06:37,227 --> 01:06:39,067
Speaker 2: this is probably a difficult question to ask before we

1308
01:06:39,147 --> 01:06:40,787
Speaker 2: even get to quarter finals, but who do you I mean,

1309
01:06:40,827 --> 01:06:43,227
Speaker 2: Tasman are clearly going to be there or thereabouts Tallerannaky,

1310
01:06:43,267 --> 01:06:45,747
Speaker 2: We've talked about what about Welling? What about my Wellington?

1311
01:06:45,787 --> 01:06:45,987
Speaker 22: Sam?

1312
01:06:46,067 --> 01:06:48,147
Speaker 2: Can you give us any optimism there? Because well they

1313
01:06:48,147 --> 01:06:50,587
Speaker 2: were twenty one kneeled down after quarter of an hour yesterday,

1314
01:06:50,747 --> 01:06:52,787
Speaker 2: I've eentually got up and won it. Could Wellington sort

1315
01:06:52,787 --> 01:06:55,427
Speaker 2: of be there or thereabouts when the Grand Final rolls around?

1316
01:06:56,387 --> 01:06:59,747
Speaker 21: I think Wellington has got that typical Hurricanes Wellington power.

1317
01:07:00,187 --> 01:07:02,827
Speaker 21: There are obviously a big side who can absolutely light

1318
01:07:02,867 --> 01:07:04,867
Speaker 21: it up. They love going through the front door and

1319
01:07:05,267 --> 01:07:09,027
Speaker 21: not around the side, and I think has done a

1320
01:07:09,107 --> 01:07:11,547
Speaker 21: really good job with him. He's got them looking pretty

1321
01:07:11,547 --> 01:07:15,067
Speaker 21: well organized. But obviously couplus care if he is a

1322
01:07:15,107 --> 01:07:18,467
Speaker 21: massive influence for them. When they're pails up there, really

1323
01:07:18,547 --> 01:07:20,507
Speaker 21: dangerous team and they say they're a bit there about

1324
01:07:20,547 --> 01:07:22,827
Speaker 21: to come finals time, then they're going to give themselves

1325
01:07:22,867 --> 01:07:24,667
Speaker 21: every opportunity. They just need to get it right.

1326
01:07:24,707 --> 01:07:27,187
Speaker 2: On the day you mentioned cam Roy Guard yesterday. I'm

1327
01:07:27,187 --> 01:07:29,187
Speaker 2: not suggesting counties are going to win the whole thing.

1328
01:07:29,227 --> 01:07:31,787
Speaker 2: But wasn't it so good to seek him back out

1329
01:07:31,787 --> 01:07:34,067
Speaker 2: there yesterday. It's like he'd never left. You know, those

1330
01:07:34,107 --> 01:07:36,587
Speaker 2: side steps are on, you know, on what are clearly

1331
01:07:36,787 --> 01:07:41,107
Speaker 2: fully functioning knees. Now he looked good, didn't he fantastic?

1332
01:07:41,187 --> 01:07:43,427
Speaker 21: And obviously with a big injury like that, you're never

1333
01:07:43,467 --> 01:07:45,827
Speaker 21: sure how gods are going to come back, and obviously

1334
01:07:45,827 --> 01:07:48,187
Speaker 21: be a bit achey for him through, but he's obviously

1335
01:07:48,347 --> 01:07:51,067
Speaker 21: put together a really strong return to play plan and

1336
01:07:51,547 --> 01:07:55,387
Speaker 21: is as the call mentioned, he went a left side

1337
01:07:55,587 --> 01:07:57,627
Speaker 21: to score that try and he looked pretty strong.

1338
01:07:58,627 --> 01:08:00,427
Speaker 2: Good man, Sam, So who you got this afternoon? You

1339
01:08:00,507 --> 01:08:00,987
Speaker 2: got Tasman.

1340
01:08:02,427 --> 01:08:06,267
Speaker 23: Ah, it's going to be it's going to be a

1341
01:08:06,427 --> 01:08:09,587
Speaker 23: beer knuckles scraped and I reckon Tatsman will turn the

1342
01:08:09,627 --> 01:08:12,467
Speaker 23: corner with about twelve minutes ago and get the job done.

1343
01:08:12,947 --> 01:08:15,187
Speaker 2: Good man, Sam, look forward to you call alongside Malcolm Jordan.

1344
01:08:15,187 --> 01:08:16,347
Speaker 2: Thanks for your time this afternoon.

1345
01:08:16,907 --> 01:08:17,427
Speaker 11: Appreciate it.

1346
01:08:17,507 --> 01:08:19,987
Speaker 2: Chests Bonnick Well the best Bete. That's Sam Ward. You

1347
01:08:19,987 --> 01:08:23,307
Speaker 2: can hear them on Gold Sport and iHeartRadio alongside Malcolm Jordan.

1348
01:08:23,347 --> 01:08:25,267
Speaker 2: I'll have the call for you from just after two

1349
01:08:25,307 --> 01:08:27,267
Speaker 2: o'clock this afternoon. I will keep an eye on it

1350
01:08:27,307 --> 01:08:30,427
Speaker 2: for you as well. Trafalgar Park and Nelson Final a

1351
01:08:30,467 --> 01:08:32,547
Speaker 2: game of the round robin. For these two sides, they

1352
01:08:32,587 --> 01:08:35,547
Speaker 2: will both, as I say, be involved in quarter final action.

1353
01:08:35,627 --> 01:08:38,507
Speaker 2: They will both host a quarter final. You look at

1354
01:08:38,547 --> 01:08:41,667
Speaker 2: the table and let's say if Tasman win, they go top,

1355
01:08:41,787 --> 01:08:45,387
Speaker 2: they will have hosting rights all the way through the

1356
01:08:45,427 --> 01:08:48,147
Speaker 2: final series. They'd go to forty one points, where a

1357
01:08:48,187 --> 01:08:52,067
Speaker 2: win forty two with a bonus point. Wellington currently on forty.

1358
01:08:52,787 --> 01:08:55,827
Speaker 2: If Taranaki were to win, they would go above Tasman

1359
01:08:56,147 --> 01:08:59,987
Speaker 2: into second place. They're on thirty five points at the moment.

1360
01:09:00,027 --> 01:09:02,907
Speaker 2: They would go above Tasman into second if they got

1361
01:09:02,987 --> 01:09:05,187
Speaker 2: a bonus point, they'd go to forty, which would be

1362
01:09:05,227 --> 01:09:09,547
Speaker 2: equal with Wellington. However, the first separator of sides that

1363
01:09:09,627 --> 01:09:12,187
Speaker 2: are equal on points as the head to head result,

1364
01:09:12,667 --> 01:09:16,547
Speaker 2: and Wellington beat Taranaki in round robin, so Tlanachi cannot

1365
01:09:16,547 --> 01:09:19,507
Speaker 2: finish top. They can, however, finish in the top two,

1366
01:09:19,627 --> 01:09:22,387
Speaker 2: and of course if they win this afternoon they have

1367
01:09:22,427 --> 01:09:24,747
Speaker 2: the Ramfilly Shield to take home with them. Bay of

1368
01:09:24,827 --> 01:09:29,427
Speaker 2: Plenty are on thirty three points. They face Auckland this afternoon,

1369
01:09:29,507 --> 01:09:32,867
Speaker 2: who cannot make the top four. This game is being

1370
01:09:32,867 --> 01:09:35,507
Speaker 2: played at Auckland Grammar School, which is something a bit interesting.

1371
01:09:35,947 --> 01:09:38,467
Speaker 2: But if Bay of Plenty were to win this afternoon,

1372
01:09:38,747 --> 01:09:41,387
Speaker 2: they would go to at least thirty seven and potentially

1373
01:09:41,427 --> 01:09:45,867
Speaker 2: thirty eight points, so they would jump over. Unless it's

1374
01:09:45,907 --> 01:09:48,147
Speaker 2: a draw between Tasman and Taranaki, they would jump over

1375
01:09:48,187 --> 01:09:50,507
Speaker 2: one of the two of them, so they could get

1376
01:09:50,547 --> 01:09:54,267
Speaker 2: themselves up unto the top three. Again, though I'm not

1377
01:09:54,347 --> 01:09:56,787
Speaker 2: sure that Bay of Plenty could finish in the top two.

1378
01:09:58,507 --> 01:10:00,507
Speaker 2: I don't think there's a way that that can happen

1379
01:10:01,067 --> 01:10:03,387
Speaker 2: because even if they were to get to thirty eight

1380
01:10:03,387 --> 01:10:05,987
Speaker 2: points and Tasman stayed on thirty seven with a loss,

1381
01:10:06,347 --> 01:10:07,627
Speaker 2: I make you would go past them, So your Bay

1382
01:10:07,667 --> 01:10:11,747
Speaker 2: Penny can't finish top two. So the quarterfinal matchups will

1383
01:10:11,747 --> 01:10:16,827
Speaker 2: be confirmed at around six thirty seven o'clock tonight, but Wellington, Tasman,

1384
01:10:17,107 --> 01:10:19,827
Speaker 2: Taranaki and Bay of Plenty will host a quarterfinal next

1385
01:10:19,867 --> 01:10:24,347
Speaker 2: weekend and they'll play against one of Hawks Bay, Canterbury,

1386
01:10:24,387 --> 01:10:28,147
Speaker 2: White Cuttle Counties. Manico, those are your top eight confirmed

1387
01:10:28,187 --> 01:10:31,587
Speaker 2: in the Bunnings MPC nineteen to two. Let's get a breakaway.

1388
01:10:31,627 --> 01:10:33,547
Speaker 2: James mcconey on the other side.

1389
01:10:34,747 --> 01:10:38,547
Speaker 1: The big issues on and after Fields Call eight hundred

1390
01:10:38,627 --> 01:10:41,307
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty Weekends Forward with Jason.

1391
01:10:40,987 --> 01:10:42,067
Speaker 2: Paine and GJ.

1392
01:10:42,187 --> 01:10:46,467
Speaker 1: Gunnerhomes New Zealand's most trusted home, Milder News, talks a baby.

1393
01:10:46,507 --> 01:10:49,187
Speaker 2: And coming up quarter to two. Let's get to James

1394
01:10:49,267 --> 01:10:51,947
Speaker 2: mcconey in his regular Sunday slot. How are you mate?

1395
01:10:52,547 --> 01:10:53,587
Speaker 19: I'm good, Thanks, Finny.

1396
01:10:53,627 --> 01:10:54,347
Speaker 23: How's things with you?

1397
01:10:54,947 --> 01:10:56,627
Speaker 2: Very good? Very good. I want to start with the

1398
01:10:56,627 --> 01:11:00,107
Speaker 2: Farah Palmer Cup final. I thought White Cutter were firm favorites.

1399
01:11:00,147 --> 01:11:02,947
Speaker 2: In fact, I know they were Canterbury Random pretty close

1400
01:11:03,027 --> 01:11:04,387
Speaker 2: yesterday in Hamilton.

1401
01:11:04,987 --> 01:11:07,387
Speaker 19: See they did it was very those two points in it.

1402
01:11:07,827 --> 01:11:10,547
Speaker 19: White Cuts are winning twenty seven to twenty five. But

1403
01:11:10,627 --> 01:11:13,467
Speaker 19: the thing about this rivalry is it's one for the ages.

1404
01:11:13,627 --> 01:11:18,267
Speaker 19: Every game is a classic and no different yesterday in Hamilton.

1405
01:11:18,427 --> 01:11:21,987
Speaker 19: So Whye Cuts all year they were you know, they

1406
01:11:21,987 --> 01:11:24,827
Speaker 19: were a stacked team this year. But what happens is

1407
01:11:24,867 --> 01:11:27,827
Speaker 19: you see the intensity and the physicality and immediately it

1408
01:11:27,867 --> 01:11:30,067
Speaker 19: passes the eye test. You know that this game is

1409
01:11:30,827 --> 01:11:33,067
Speaker 19: something special, with something. But it's a bit like when

1410
01:11:33,107 --> 01:11:34,907
Speaker 19: you watch Origin and you go okay, there's a bit

1411
01:11:34,947 --> 01:11:37,307
Speaker 19: more feeling in this and what they've got though with

1412
01:11:37,427 --> 01:11:40,547
Speaker 19: that rivalry is something to really I mean for rugby

1413
01:11:40,627 --> 01:11:44,227
Speaker 19: as well as to sell. You think that that that's

1414
01:11:44,227 --> 01:11:47,747
Speaker 19: something you could probably turn into a series. Why not

1415
01:11:47,787 --> 01:11:51,707
Speaker 19: turn it into a Bara Palmer State of Origin type thing?

1416
01:11:51,907 --> 01:11:52,107
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1417
01:11:52,107 --> 01:11:54,147
Speaker 2: Why not? Because I think earlier in the season it

1418
01:11:54,187 --> 01:11:55,627
Speaker 2: was a pretty tight game. I think Canby might have

1419
01:11:55,667 --> 01:11:57,387
Speaker 2: even beaten White Cut It was at ten to seven

1420
01:11:57,707 --> 01:12:00,227
Speaker 2: earlier in the season. So they're clearly pretty eavenly matched,

1421
01:12:00,347 --> 01:12:02,747
Speaker 2: and so in hindsight, I think why kind of were

1422
01:12:02,787 --> 01:12:04,947
Speaker 2: paying a dollar team to win that game yesterday? Six

1423
01:12:05,027 --> 01:12:06,307
Speaker 2: dollars for Canterbury.

1424
01:12:07,387 --> 01:12:10,707
Speaker 19: Yeah, Well, Canterbury have nullified them so many times. It's

1425
01:12:10,747 --> 01:12:14,627
Speaker 19: always a heartbreak, it's always a one score game and

1426
01:12:14,707 --> 01:12:17,507
Speaker 19: at the end there's always people players on their knees.

1427
01:12:17,587 --> 01:12:20,707
Speaker 19: It just means so much. So, I mean, you're just

1428
01:12:20,747 --> 01:12:24,827
Speaker 19: going to congratulate the team and the competition for having

1429
01:12:24,987 --> 01:12:27,827
Speaker 19: an occasion like that as a final just I mean,

1430
01:12:28,067 --> 01:12:30,987
Speaker 19: can you remember when Victoria Edwards was White Attil captain

1431
01:12:31,027 --> 01:12:33,187
Speaker 19: the last time they won and she dropped an F

1432
01:12:33,187 --> 01:12:36,347
Speaker 19: bomb on TV, probably the greatest F bomb in New

1433
01:12:36,427 --> 01:12:38,867
Speaker 19: Zealand TV history. I'd say, all right.

1434
01:12:38,787 --> 01:12:43,467
Speaker 2: Well, there's something to aspire to for future generations. Perhaps

1435
01:12:44,307 --> 01:12:46,227
Speaker 2: now the All Blacks will name their team or the

1436
01:12:46,267 --> 01:12:49,467
Speaker 2: squad tomorrow for the Northern Tour. Chatted about this last hour.

1437
01:12:49,587 --> 01:12:54,067
Speaker 2: What's your view, James on Weather, TJ Petnada and Sam

1438
01:12:54,147 --> 01:12:56,787
Speaker 2: Kaine will be among the All Black squad.

1439
01:12:57,467 --> 01:13:00,627
Speaker 19: I well, it all changes when you see Cam Ruger

1440
01:13:00,707 --> 01:13:01,787
Speaker 19: playing yesterday, doesn't it.

1441
01:13:02,107 --> 01:13:03,827
Speaker 7: Oh wowsive wow.

1442
01:13:04,187 --> 01:13:04,627
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1443
01:13:04,987 --> 01:13:07,347
Speaker 19: Just if you can go and look at the highlights

1444
01:13:07,347 --> 01:13:09,547
Speaker 19: on the sky Sport now and or YouTube and you

1445
01:13:09,627 --> 01:13:14,187
Speaker 19: just go, okay, this this guy Royguard just looks so

1446
01:13:14,347 --> 01:13:18,027
Speaker 19: impressive and he is shot out of a cannon. He's

1447
01:13:18,067 --> 01:13:21,587
Speaker 19: so quick. Now he's got the legs of a velociraptor.

1448
01:13:22,107 --> 01:13:25,707
Speaker 19: It's just it's unfair really, But if they if they're

1449
01:13:25,707 --> 01:13:29,387
Speaker 19: true to giving him more time, then you'd take him

1450
01:13:29,387 --> 01:13:32,587
Speaker 19: on the on the All Blacks fifteen tour and let

1451
01:13:32,627 --> 01:13:35,987
Speaker 19: TJ stay in that role that he's had which is

1452
01:13:36,507 --> 01:13:39,667
Speaker 19: mainly off the bench. Well it's become that really with

1453
01:13:40,227 --> 01:13:45,347
Speaker 19: of course he's an emerging and having that the insurance,

1454
01:13:45,387 --> 01:13:47,547
Speaker 19: so I would still take TJ Pet and Arda. I

1455
01:13:47,667 --> 01:13:51,027
Speaker 19: just know that Dan Royguard needs those extra few games

1456
01:13:51,027 --> 01:13:53,627
Speaker 19: on the Northern tour and then bang he's in and

1457
01:13:53,667 --> 01:13:55,427
Speaker 19: he might even leap frog them.

1458
01:13:55,427 --> 01:13:58,387
Speaker 2: All right, Oh, I think he just seems like the one,

1459
01:13:58,467 --> 01:14:01,467
Speaker 2: doesn't he And I heard him say during the week

1460
01:14:01,467 --> 01:14:04,707
Speaker 2: that he feels exactly the same as he did before.

1461
01:14:04,747 --> 01:14:07,267
Speaker 2: He you know, the injury happened, didn't seem to be

1462
01:14:07,307 --> 01:14:10,307
Speaker 2: any trepidation and stepping off the injured knee a couple

1463
01:14:10,307 --> 01:14:12,387
Speaker 2: of times when he scored that second try did there?

1464
01:14:12,427 --> 01:14:14,827
Speaker 2: So yeah, looking forward to seeing what he can produce.

1465
01:14:14,947 --> 01:14:17,587
Speaker 2: Whichever jersey he's wearing at the back end of the year,

1466
01:14:18,027 --> 01:14:19,347
Speaker 2: he'll no doubt be a big part of the All

1467
01:14:19,347 --> 01:14:21,107
Speaker 2: Blacks next year. By the sounds of it, though, France

1468
01:14:21,147 --> 01:14:23,627
Speaker 2: are sending a week inside down here. What do you

1469
01:14:23,667 --> 01:14:23,987
Speaker 2: make of this?

1470
01:14:25,027 --> 01:14:27,707
Speaker 19: Look France? Clearly they don't care. They shrugged their shoulders

1471
01:14:27,707 --> 01:14:31,347
Speaker 19: a lot. That's what they do. They go like that.

1472
01:14:32,107 --> 01:14:35,427
Speaker 19: It's not really a word. But and remember in the

1473
01:14:35,467 --> 01:14:39,867
Speaker 19: past they've sent experimental teams. I think it totaled over

1474
01:14:39,947 --> 01:14:43,267
Speaker 19: forty players when they sent one experimental team that came

1475
01:14:43,347 --> 01:14:46,147
Speaker 19: close to breaking the Eden Park Hudu. Then they brought

1476
01:14:46,187 --> 01:14:49,187
Speaker 19: the reinforcements for game two and they were absolutely terrible.

1477
01:14:49,507 --> 01:14:51,867
Speaker 19: Clearly enjoying business class a bit too much on the

1478
01:14:51,907 --> 01:14:56,187
Speaker 19: way down. But that's got about Antoine DuPont. Only playing

1479
01:14:56,307 --> 01:14:57,707
Speaker 19: is at fortest away from home?

1480
01:14:57,787 --> 01:14:58,187
Speaker 15: Is that right?

1481
01:14:58,267 --> 01:15:01,707
Speaker 2: Crazy? Yeah, crazy, just unbelievable.

1482
01:15:01,987 --> 01:15:04,947
Speaker 19: Yeah yeah, that times up. We've never seen them at

1483
01:15:04,947 --> 01:15:08,387
Speaker 19: full strength here. They just messing around and they don't care,

1484
01:15:08,427 --> 01:15:11,147
Speaker 19: they care about their club competition. I think we should

1485
01:15:11,147 --> 01:15:14,907
Speaker 19: invite another European team as well, invite Scotland. I've looked

1486
01:15:14,907 --> 01:15:16,747
Speaker 19: this up on the All Black's website and the last

1487
01:15:16,747 --> 01:15:19,507
Speaker 19: time they toured here is the year two thousand, pinty.

1488
01:15:19,747 --> 01:15:21,667
Speaker 19: What's crazyn How good they are?

1489
01:15:22,107 --> 01:15:26,547
Speaker 2: Absolutely and the fans that bring a Scottish you know,

1490
01:15:26,587 --> 01:15:30,347
Speaker 2: the Scottish fans spending time down here, that'll be brilliant.

1491
01:15:30,907 --> 01:15:33,067
Speaker 19: I know, I just couldn't believe. I'm on the All

1492
01:15:33,067 --> 01:15:35,907
Speaker 19: Black stats website and I've had to sort of double

1493
01:15:35,947 --> 01:15:38,947
Speaker 19: take it, but that is incredible. Really half the players

1494
01:15:38,947 --> 01:15:42,347
Speaker 19: are even born then, So this is something that needs

1495
01:15:42,387 --> 01:15:44,947
Speaker 19: to be rectified immediately. But I think that's actually not

1496
01:15:44,987 --> 01:15:47,467
Speaker 19: a bad way if World Rugby allows it. So they

1497
01:15:47,467 --> 01:15:51,667
Speaker 19: will send two teams to Northern Hemisphere teams down because

1498
01:15:52,107 --> 01:15:54,667
Speaker 19: you know, we can do the same and play our

1499
01:15:54,947 --> 01:15:58,947
Speaker 19: experimental players against France and then and give Scotland top billing,

1500
01:16:00,307 --> 01:16:02,867
Speaker 19: you know when they come down. So that's something that

1501
01:16:02,947 --> 01:16:05,667
Speaker 19: needs to be sorted out straight away. And just while

1502
01:16:05,667 --> 01:16:07,187
Speaker 19: we're on the All Black before we move on, I

1503
01:16:07,227 --> 01:16:09,787
Speaker 19: was going to say, in the hooker position, it's so

1504
01:16:10,027 --> 01:16:13,027
Speaker 19: tough working out who plays. And even though Ricky Ricky

1505
01:16:13,107 --> 01:16:18,667
Speaker 19: Tully probably deserves a nudge at All Blacks level, I

1506
01:16:18,747 --> 01:16:20,547
Speaker 19: just don't want him to become a player who goes

1507
01:16:20,587 --> 01:16:22,827
Speaker 19: in and then goes out and doesn't get a chance

1508
01:16:22,907 --> 01:16:26,307
Speaker 19: to play international rugby. He qualifies for three nations, Piney,

1509
01:16:26,427 --> 01:16:32,467
Speaker 19: New Zealand, Italy obviously and then USA as well, so

1510
01:16:33,067 --> 01:16:35,387
Speaker 19: I feel like he should maybe just choose Italy and

1511
01:16:35,427 --> 01:16:36,787
Speaker 19: just play fifty tests.

1512
01:16:36,987 --> 01:16:40,227
Speaker 2: Yeah, i'd look, yeah, and why wouldn't he. I think

1513
01:16:40,227 --> 01:16:41,707
Speaker 2: a lot of people thought he might get the NOD

1514
01:16:41,707 --> 01:16:45,427
Speaker 2: this year as the third hooker, but that clearly hasn't happened.

1515
01:16:45,427 --> 01:16:47,867
Speaker 2: So yeah, we wait to see what lies in his future. Hey,

1516
01:16:47,987 --> 01:16:50,067
Speaker 2: just before you go in a couple of weeks, it's

1517
01:16:50,107 --> 01:16:52,467
Speaker 2: only two weeks away, in fact, less than two weeks

1518
01:16:52,787 --> 01:16:57,107
Speaker 2: until Auckland FC's debut in the A League. Reports this

1519
01:16:57,147 --> 01:16:59,427
Speaker 2: week that they might be looking at building a purpose

1520
01:16:59,427 --> 01:17:01,547
Speaker 2: built stadium at what at Western Springs.

1521
01:17:02,587 --> 01:17:04,667
Speaker 19: Yeah, that would be massive. I mean there's been so

1522
01:17:04,827 --> 01:17:07,747
Speaker 19: much back and forth about Western Brings currently the home

1523
01:17:07,787 --> 01:17:12,747
Speaker 19: of podsomb Rugby and also Speedway, but that apparently expires

1524
01:17:12,867 --> 01:17:17,507
Speaker 19: next year, so both those leases and now I mean

1525
01:17:17,507 --> 01:17:19,947
Speaker 19: it's been talked about as a test cricket ground as well.

1526
01:17:20,307 --> 01:17:24,627
Speaker 19: But clearly they thought that the waterfront stadium was a

1527
01:17:24,627 --> 01:17:27,667
Speaker 19: good option until they saw how dysfunctional that process was.

1528
01:17:28,027 --> 01:17:30,387
Speaker 19: So I think that scared off the billionaire owner Bill

1529
01:17:30,427 --> 01:17:34,107
Speaker 19: Foley and his thoughts along with the other owners. How

1530
01:17:34,107 --> 01:17:36,747
Speaker 19: can we actually just control this and do our own thing?

1531
01:17:37,187 --> 01:17:40,147
Speaker 19: And this looks to be the easiest, cost effective way

1532
01:17:40,427 --> 01:17:43,507
Speaker 19: to get an eight thousand see that. I'm all for this, Parney.

1533
01:17:43,907 --> 01:17:47,387
Speaker 19: This actually might work because if you can make it

1534
01:17:47,427 --> 01:17:49,307
Speaker 19: probably needs to be a bit more than eight thousand,

1535
01:17:49,627 --> 01:17:52,067
Speaker 19: but if you can, if you can find a home there,

1536
01:17:52,627 --> 01:17:55,867
Speaker 19: then it just solves that all those problems that you

1537
01:17:55,907 --> 01:17:59,947
Speaker 19: have with those empty seats and just having your own

1538
01:17:59,947 --> 01:18:01,347
Speaker 19: boutique stadium in the heart.

1539
01:18:01,187 --> 01:18:04,307
Speaker 2: Of absolutely like, I feel like ten to twelve might

1540
01:18:04,347 --> 01:18:06,867
Speaker 2: be more what you'd be after, but you's so right

1541
01:18:06,907 --> 01:18:11,547
Speaker 2: A rectangular, purpose built boutique stadium. Yeah, I mean it's

1542
01:18:11,587 --> 01:18:14,747
Speaker 2: what I mean. You remember the Phoenix owners, you know,

1543
01:18:15,307 --> 01:18:16,987
Speaker 2: sort of toyed with the idea of doing it a

1544
01:18:17,067 --> 01:18:19,747
Speaker 2: Patoni and even had some plans drawn up, but that

1545
01:18:19,747 --> 01:18:22,707
Speaker 2: didn't come to anything. So hopefully the owners of Auckland

1546
01:18:22,787 --> 01:18:25,147
Speaker 2: FC can make it happen. Hey, thanks James, always good

1547
01:18:25,147 --> 01:18:27,267
Speaker 2: to chat. I hope you have an enjoyable rest of

1548
01:18:27,307 --> 01:18:29,947
Speaker 2: you Sunday, and we'll chat again next week, shall we?

1549
01:18:30,667 --> 01:18:33,307
Speaker 19: Cheers Plony go to Panthers, the.

1550
01:18:33,107 --> 01:18:36,827
Speaker 2: Panthers, why not? Why not ate away from two news talks?

1551
01:18:36,827 --> 01:21:34,347
Speaker 18: He'd beat.

1552
01:20:58,427 --> 01:21:03,707
Speaker 1: Legally cleefully, my dear God shows and it's taken eight minutes.

1553
01:21:04,227 --> 01:21:07,107
Speaker 2: Deletely it is destroyed and that's all I one nil

1554
01:21:07,147 --> 01:21:09,667
Speaker 2: lover fall over Crystal Palace, nipping at their heels.

1555
01:21:09,827 --> 01:21:12,547
Speaker 15: Arsenal shuss Up prints it forward here for Arsenal as

1556
01:21:12,587 --> 01:21:15,027
Speaker 15: Martinelli to his left so.

1557
01:21:19,347 --> 01:21:21,067
Speaker 6: Much so take care of that.

1558
01:21:21,427 --> 01:21:24,067
Speaker 2: He had three one winners over Southampton were the Gunners

1559
01:21:24,267 --> 01:21:28,027
Speaker 2: defending champions Manchester City? There too, options gathering in the

1560
01:21:28,027 --> 01:21:34,987
Speaker 2: middle efanties itself. Oh that is fantastic. Probably Seat of

1561
01:21:35,147 --> 01:21:38,507
Speaker 2: Philip City worth three two winners over Fulham to rugby.

1562
01:21:38,627 --> 01:21:40,627
Speaker 2: A happy return yesterday for cam Roy Guard.

1563
01:21:40,787 --> 01:21:43,147
Speaker 24: Yeah they're on the half flight pricking guy Probabian off

1564
01:21:43,187 --> 01:21:48,307
Speaker 24: lad and the tackle for Papally and now Roy Guard

1565
01:21:48,547 --> 01:21:53,547
Speaker 24: for the sick work, the class and the finish beautifully

1566
01:21:53,587 --> 01:21:56,667
Speaker 24: done by doctor Papa Lee. A water finish from Roy

1567
01:21:56,707 --> 01:21:59,347
Speaker 24: Guard who looks like he hasn't mister minute.

1568
01:21:59,467 --> 01:22:03,387
Speaker 2: Yeah, County's forty five two twenty six Wellington. Meantime he

1569
01:22:03,387 --> 01:22:06,787
Speaker 2: had to come from twenty one nil down after fifteen

1570
01:22:06,827 --> 01:22:09,587
Speaker 2: minutes to eventually beat Hawks Bay. First receiver up towards

1571
01:22:09,627 --> 01:22:11,907
Speaker 2: the five minute line. Jillian somebody at busting awards the

1572
01:22:11,987 --> 01:22:12,827
Speaker 2: try lined over.

1573
01:22:13,507 --> 01:22:14,827
Speaker 24: What a good try by.

1574
01:22:14,787 --> 01:22:18,227
Speaker 2: Julian Savia Wellington forty six, Hawks Bay twenty eight and

1575
01:22:18,467 --> 01:22:22,947
Speaker 2: Southland had an absolute field day against North Harbor down South.

1576
01:22:23,067 --> 01:22:26,827
Speaker 24: It was twenty one milk after about ten minutes.

1577
01:22:27,667 --> 01:22:29,867
Speaker 2: As the Boors is going to bounce up and.

1578
01:22:29,907 --> 01:22:32,467
Speaker 24: It's going to be a try to Jake Shan.

1579
01:22:32,787 --> 01:22:35,867
Speaker 5: It has been that kind of afternoon for the South and.

1580
01:22:35,947 --> 01:22:40,027
Speaker 2: Stag fifty nine thirty five they won yesterday. The Stags

1581
01:22:40,067 --> 01:22:44,187
Speaker 2: in Canterbury very impressive against way Cutt a boy yer peet.

1582
01:22:44,067 --> 01:22:44,827
Speaker 4: Cross your check.

1583
01:22:45,107 --> 01:22:47,707
Speaker 2: Oh the spit back six.

1584
01:22:48,347 --> 01:22:51,507
Speaker 25: He's got himself a hat trick that'll.

1585
01:22:51,227 --> 01:22:54,227
Speaker 2: Do it for Canterbury thirty six nineteen to Canterbury in

1586
01:22:54,267 --> 01:22:58,027
Speaker 2: the NPC. But the fortunes were flipped when way Cuttle

1587
01:22:58,147 --> 01:23:01,227
Speaker 2: and Canterbury met in the Fara Palmer Cup Premiership Final.

1588
01:23:01,427 --> 01:23:05,467
Speaker 26: Balls there, it's gonna go, and it's gonna be Canipia

1589
01:23:06,587 --> 01:23:09,947
Speaker 26: kicks it out and the game is over. Wait Gadow

1590
01:23:10,347 --> 01:23:16,067
Speaker 26: Hovey FVC Champions twenty seven points to twenty five. OHI,

1591
01:23:16,307 --> 01:23:19,747
Speaker 26: everybody's going on fire down on the sideline.

1592
01:23:19,587 --> 01:23:21,867
Speaker 1: When it's down to the line. You made a call

1593
01:23:22,027 --> 01:23:26,947
Speaker 1: on eight eighty Weekend Sport with Jason Hine News Talk.

1594
01:23:26,867 --> 01:23:31,467
Speaker 2: Zib eleven pass to a mouth watering NRL Grand Final

1595
01:23:31,547 --> 01:23:35,107
Speaker 2: and prospect. Tonight Minor premieer is the Melbourne Storm the forty.

1596
01:23:34,907 --> 01:23:37,547
Speaker 22: Two and away in is a bolt stunt bat of

1597
01:23:37,787 --> 01:23:39,427
Speaker 22: Botsta again.

1598
01:23:40,827 --> 01:23:42,827
Speaker 6: No Votster's get another.

1599
01:23:44,427 --> 01:23:52,427
Speaker 5: Melburn Road finalists Melbourne are they premiership favorites based.

1600
01:23:52,107 --> 01:23:55,187
Speaker 2: On this and they'll take on three time defending champions

1601
01:23:55,227 --> 01:23:56,107
Speaker 2: the Penrith Panthers.

1602
01:23:56,427 --> 01:23:57,867
Speaker 6: Is re why the right foot.

1603
01:23:57,707 --> 01:24:03,267
Speaker 5: Kick Martius and exclamation mark for the Panthers as they.

1604
01:24:03,307 --> 01:24:07,267
Speaker 2: Marched on to the first Sunday hit up. What a

1605
01:24:07,307 --> 01:24:10,187
Speaker 2: game in prospect, tarwar Nico was one of our best

1606
01:24:10,307 --> 01:24:13,947
Speaker 2: ever rugby league players. After time with Canterbury Bankstown, he

1607
01:24:14,027 --> 01:24:16,787
Speaker 2: spent several years in the UK before coming back to

1608
01:24:16,867 --> 01:24:20,107
Speaker 2: the NRL with Cronulla in nineteen ninety eight. He joined

1609
01:24:20,147 --> 01:24:23,787
Speaker 2: the Melbourne Storm in the club's inaugural year, helping them

1610
01:24:23,827 --> 01:24:26,107
Speaker 2: to a third place finish in the Minor Premiership and

1611
01:24:26,187 --> 01:24:28,947
Speaker 2: a place in the finals before they lost eventually to

1612
01:24:29,187 --> 01:24:33,427
Speaker 2: the premiers Brisbane Broncos. The following year, nineteen ninety nine,

1613
01:24:33,467 --> 01:24:36,027
Speaker 2: the Storm finished third again, this time went on to

1614
01:24:36,147 --> 01:24:39,587
Speaker 2: win the Grand Final twenty eighteen over the Saint George

1615
01:24:39,667 --> 01:24:43,627
Speaker 2: Illawarra Dragons to claim their first championship. Among his many

1616
01:24:43,707 --> 01:24:46,987
Speaker 2: other awards and accolades, tawad Nico was last year inducted

1617
01:24:47,347 --> 01:24:50,027
Speaker 2: as a life member of the Melbourne Storm. He joins

1618
01:24:50,107 --> 01:24:53,627
Speaker 2: us now Tawda, Let's go back to nineteen ninety eight.

1619
01:24:53,707 --> 01:24:56,627
Speaker 2: How fondly do you remember your time with the Storm.

1620
01:24:57,587 --> 01:25:01,107
Speaker 22: Oh, it was a great time. They really enjoyed being

1621
01:25:01,147 --> 01:25:03,467
Speaker 22: part of the Storm in the inaugural team going down

1622
01:25:03,587 --> 01:25:06,587
Speaker 22: neilwaypak in twenty five years ago. In now Pint it's

1623
01:25:06,587 --> 01:25:08,507
Speaker 22: a long time mate, so still living off that wasn't

1624
01:25:08,507 --> 01:25:12,747
Speaker 22: from the Wondering Final, but it was a great time

1625
01:25:12,827 --> 01:25:15,227
Speaker 22: in regular league and a great opportunity, so you know

1626
01:25:15,387 --> 01:25:19,347
Speaker 22: going over there, going down to Melbourne, you know, the

1627
01:25:19,427 --> 01:25:22,467
Speaker 22: new frontier I suppose, and being very successful in a

1628
01:25:22,507 --> 01:25:24,867
Speaker 22: short amount of time. So it was absolutely fantastic.

1629
01:25:25,107 --> 01:25:27,307
Speaker 2: What was it like at the very start of this

1630
01:25:27,507 --> 01:25:29,547
Speaker 2: club that has become something pretty special.

1631
01:25:30,827 --> 01:25:33,507
Speaker 22: We were very lucky and finally we had you know

1632
01:25:34,027 --> 01:25:36,987
Speaker 22: a CEO guy called John Reebo Reeves. You know, it

1633
01:25:37,107 --> 01:25:40,027
Speaker 22: was really instrumental and setting up the club in a

1634
01:25:40,107 --> 01:25:43,667
Speaker 22: great fashion. You know, Chris Anderson the coach, you know,

1635
01:25:43,827 --> 01:25:48,547
Speaker 22: really really strong coach, really family orientated coach, and we're

1636
01:25:48,667 --> 01:25:50,347
Speaker 22: very proud of the history and the culture that we

1637
01:25:50,467 --> 01:25:53,227
Speaker 22: initiated in those early days and it's something that's under

1638
01:25:53,267 --> 01:25:55,907
Speaker 22: Craig Bellamy's gone to a whole new level. So you know,

1639
01:25:56,107 --> 01:26:00,347
Speaker 22: really outstanding, but great with the administrators but also the

1640
01:26:00,427 --> 01:26:03,467
Speaker 22: players and the end players that came for an opportunity

1641
01:26:03,547 --> 01:26:06,747
Speaker 22: and really made a great effort over the those first

1642
01:26:06,787 --> 01:26:07,467
Speaker 22: couple of seasons.

1643
01:26:07,947 --> 01:26:11,467
Speaker 2: That ninety nine Grand Final what stands out most vividly

1644
01:26:11,507 --> 01:26:13,787
Speaker 2: when you think back why did you say twenty five

1645
01:26:13,947 --> 01:26:14,307
Speaker 2: years now?

1646
01:26:14,387 --> 01:26:18,907
Speaker 22: Goodnessman, Well, I think finally one of the main things

1647
01:26:18,947 --> 01:26:23,147
Speaker 22: about that was, you know, the crowd. I think that

1648
01:26:23,267 --> 01:26:25,067
Speaker 22: was the biggest rugby league crowd because it was just

1649
01:26:25,107 --> 01:26:28,427
Speaker 22: before the Olympics. We played nineteen ninety nine at the

1650
01:26:28,627 --> 01:26:31,667
Speaker 22: Away cour Stadium and now, but I think it was

1651
01:26:31,707 --> 01:26:34,947
Speaker 22: one hundred and seven thousand people did and I played

1652
01:26:34,987 --> 01:26:36,907
Speaker 22: at Wembley earlier in my career, but it was about

1653
01:26:37,027 --> 01:26:41,467
Speaker 22: ninety ninety nine thousand there. But just the noise, the crowd.

1654
01:26:41,587 --> 01:26:44,347
Speaker 22: But the real camaraderie that the boys built up in

1655
01:26:44,427 --> 01:26:46,187
Speaker 22: those first couple of seasons was fantastic.

1656
01:26:46,667 --> 01:26:46,827
Speaker 6: You know.

1657
01:26:46,907 --> 01:26:49,547
Speaker 22: The second year ninety ninety nine, we had Steve Kearney

1658
01:26:49,587 --> 01:26:52,227
Speaker 22: came from the Warriors, really added some five power to

1659
01:26:52,307 --> 01:26:54,627
Speaker 22: our forward pack and then you know that sort of

1660
01:26:54,627 --> 01:26:56,747
Speaker 22: gave us a lot of impetus and momentum into that

1661
01:26:56,907 --> 01:26:58,667
Speaker 22: first Grand Final win against Saint George.

1662
01:26:59,147 --> 01:27:01,707
Speaker 2: You were down the way fourteen at halftime, you were down.

1663
01:27:02,347 --> 01:27:04,667
Speaker 2: You are widely credited along with a couple of others,

1664
01:27:04,707 --> 01:27:07,507
Speaker 2: for sparking the second half comeback. What was said at

1665
01:27:07,547 --> 01:27:09,587
Speaker 2: half time and what changed in the second half.

1666
01:27:10,907 --> 01:27:12,867
Speaker 22: Yeah, we had the funny thing is we hadn't beaten

1667
01:27:12,947 --> 01:27:15,467
Speaker 22: San George all year. You know, they were one of

1668
01:27:15,507 --> 01:27:19,107
Speaker 22: those teams. They had some amazing players, Nathan Blacklock, you know,

1669
01:27:19,147 --> 01:27:22,947
Speaker 22: Anthony Mundine, Jamie ains co. They just had this realist

1670
01:27:23,027 --> 01:27:25,867
Speaker 22: strike and we struggled to play them because they used

1671
01:27:25,867 --> 01:27:27,067
Speaker 22: to come down the middle of the rock and we

1672
01:27:27,147 --> 01:27:28,987
Speaker 22: had a big forward pack. But I think one of

1673
01:27:29,027 --> 01:27:31,067
Speaker 22: the good things about you know, just having that self

1674
01:27:31,107 --> 01:27:33,227
Speaker 22: belief that we had in ourselves because nobody gave us

1675
01:27:33,227 --> 01:27:35,987
Speaker 22: a chance in the first couple of years. They said

1676
01:27:35,987 --> 01:27:37,627
Speaker 22: we're going to fail, we weren't going to be any good,

1677
01:27:38,547 --> 01:27:40,267
Speaker 22: and even when we got to the finals, they were

1678
01:27:40,267 --> 01:27:42,427
Speaker 22: writing us off anyway. So you know, we had nothing

1679
01:27:42,467 --> 01:27:45,027
Speaker 22: to lose. We just said we had some great leadership

1680
01:27:45,067 --> 01:27:47,627
Speaker 22: in the organization from our coach Chris Anderson and our

1681
01:27:47,667 --> 01:27:51,347
Speaker 22: captain Glen Lazarus. You know, it was outstanding leadership and

1682
01:27:51,467 --> 01:27:54,427
Speaker 22: part of that. But I think in the second half,

1683
01:27:54,427 --> 01:27:57,227
Speaker 22: I remember going into the changing sheds at halftime and

1684
01:27:57,387 --> 01:28:01,387
Speaker 22: me and Steve Kearney and I said, Steve, mate, we've

1685
01:28:01,387 --> 01:28:03,267
Speaker 22: got forty minutes left. Let's just get out there and

1686
01:28:03,387 --> 01:28:05,267
Speaker 22: rip him to these guys, and we sort of came

1687
01:28:05,307 --> 01:28:07,507
Speaker 22: out changed the momentum, we got on a bit of

1688
01:28:07,507 --> 01:28:09,107
Speaker 22: a role, we scored a couple of tries and then

1689
01:28:09,547 --> 01:28:11,147
Speaker 22: you know we came home with it. We'd sales. So

1690
01:28:11,787 --> 01:28:14,267
Speaker 22: you know, that's all folk law and history now pinting,

1691
01:28:14,347 --> 01:28:17,227
Speaker 22: but you know it stands as the first ever premiership

1692
01:28:17,547 --> 01:28:21,707
Speaker 22: premiership for the Melbourne Storm final. So yeah, let's itched

1693
01:28:21,747 --> 01:28:22,627
Speaker 22: in folklore.

1694
01:28:23,467 --> 01:28:25,627
Speaker 2: Indeed it is even now and will be for many

1695
01:28:25,667 --> 01:28:27,627
Speaker 2: many more years. But let's fast forward to now to

1696
01:28:27,707 --> 01:28:30,467
Speaker 2: the present day. The Storm won the minor premiership this year,

1697
01:28:30,587 --> 01:28:32,787
Speaker 2: nineteen wins from their twenty four games. They got rid

1698
01:28:32,827 --> 01:28:35,747
Speaker 2: of the Sharks and the Roosters fairly comfortably in their

1699
01:28:35,827 --> 01:28:39,307
Speaker 2: finals matches. Would you have them as favorites against the

1700
01:28:39,387 --> 01:28:40,867
Speaker 2: Panthers tonight the Storm.

1701
01:28:41,987 --> 01:28:42,867
Speaker 22: Well, it's a tough one.

1702
01:28:43,307 --> 01:28:43,467
Speaker 6: You know.

1703
01:28:43,747 --> 01:28:46,387
Speaker 22: The last the Panthers have been in the last five

1704
01:28:46,427 --> 01:28:48,147
Speaker 22: Grand finals, the last team to beat them in the

1705
01:28:48,187 --> 01:28:50,747
Speaker 22: Grand Final is the Melbourne Storm, so it all aug

1706
01:28:50,827 --> 01:28:53,107
Speaker 22: as well. But if you look back, you know this

1707
01:28:53,347 --> 01:28:56,747
Speaker 22: year they've been the best two teams. I think the

1708
01:28:56,867 --> 01:29:00,307
Speaker 22: Storm have probably gone to you know, and it's a

1709
01:29:00,347 --> 01:29:03,507
Speaker 22: tough one because Nathan Cleary hasn't played too much of them.

1710
01:29:04,427 --> 01:29:06,267
Speaker 22: I watched the game last week with the Sharks and

1711
01:29:06,387 --> 01:29:08,747
Speaker 22: there was a couple of little cracks here for Penrith,

1712
01:29:09,747 --> 01:29:12,307
Speaker 22: which you know, usually they're very, very clinical, they don't

1713
01:29:12,307 --> 01:29:14,027
Speaker 22: make too many years, but they made a few years.

1714
01:29:14,107 --> 01:29:15,947
Speaker 22: So you know, it's going to be a tough game.

1715
01:29:16,027 --> 01:29:18,427
Speaker 22: But I just think with the spine that the Melbourne

1716
01:29:18,467 --> 01:29:22,387
Speaker 22: Storm have in the form that Jerome Hughes, Harry Grant,

1717
01:29:22,747 --> 01:29:27,707
Speaker 22: Ryan Pepperhousen and also Caaron Munster in it's going to

1718
01:29:27,747 --> 01:29:29,747
Speaker 22: be a tough game, could go anyway, but I'm tipping

1719
01:29:29,827 --> 01:29:31,267
Speaker 22: the Storm to win this one tonight.

1720
01:29:31,507 --> 01:29:31,707
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1721
01:29:31,907 --> 01:29:35,867
Speaker 2: Jerome Hughes delim won a popular winner two during the week.

1722
01:29:35,947 --> 01:29:39,867
Speaker 2: How important How integral is he to the Storm side?

1723
01:29:40,907 --> 01:29:42,867
Speaker 22: Yeah, it's really interesting And I don't know if you

1724
01:29:42,907 --> 01:29:45,747
Speaker 22: saw the daily speech and he talked about you know

1725
01:29:45,827 --> 01:29:48,227
Speaker 22: how he's sort of grown into their role and done

1726
01:29:48,307 --> 01:29:51,867
Speaker 22: really well. But he credits Craig Bellamy's given him some confidence.

1727
01:29:51,907 --> 01:29:53,987
Speaker 22: He credits been part of the New Zealand Kiwi team

1728
01:29:54,067 --> 01:29:56,507
Speaker 22: last year. You know, he's really grown into this role

1729
01:29:56,507 --> 01:29:59,747
Speaker 22: as a leader and he's really got their confidence now

1730
01:29:59,827 --> 01:30:01,627
Speaker 22: to lead from the front. So I think, you know,

1731
01:30:01,747 --> 01:30:03,627
Speaker 22: with Monthster, there over the last couple of years he

1732
01:30:03,747 --> 01:30:07,307
Speaker 22: was just sitting back. He's quite shy in terms of that,

1733
01:30:07,427 --> 01:30:09,307
Speaker 22: but you know he's really stepped that up and I

1734
01:30:09,387 --> 01:30:11,987
Speaker 22: think and I heard Craig Bellamy talk to him earlier

1735
01:30:12,027 --> 01:30:14,947
Speaker 22: in the year about him taking the leadership role, on

1736
01:30:15,147 --> 01:30:17,507
Speaker 22: him owning the games, and you know he's just thrived

1737
01:30:17,907 --> 01:30:19,827
Speaker 22: in that this year and gone to another level. So

1738
01:30:20,347 --> 01:30:22,387
Speaker 22: when you think about you know, Ivan Carey has been

1739
01:30:22,427 --> 01:30:25,307
Speaker 22: probably the best player Ivan, I mean Nathan Carey the

1740
01:30:25,387 --> 01:30:27,987
Speaker 22: last two or three seasons. You know, Jerome's on a

1741
01:30:28,067 --> 01:30:31,787
Speaker 22: part probably this season is probably you know, edged out

1742
01:30:31,827 --> 01:30:34,387
Speaker 22: in front of him, but it's hard to beat Penriff.

1743
01:30:34,507 --> 01:30:36,507
Speaker 22: You know, they've been there the last there's the fifth

1744
01:30:36,547 --> 01:30:38,387
Speaker 22: Green Final in the row, so you know, I've got

1745
01:30:38,427 --> 01:30:40,627
Speaker 22: some experience, but they've lost a bit of experience too,

1746
01:30:40,707 --> 01:30:42,827
Speaker 22: So you know, these things catch up with you when

1747
01:30:42,827 --> 01:30:45,387
Speaker 22: you're playing finals, when the pressure comes on. You know,

1748
01:30:45,507 --> 01:30:47,747
Speaker 22: you've just got to keep in the grind. And I

1749
01:30:47,827 --> 01:30:50,267
Speaker 22: think with Melbourne and you've seen that over the last

1750
01:30:50,307 --> 01:30:52,787
Speaker 22: two you know, the final series, they've gone about their

1751
01:30:52,827 --> 01:30:55,987
Speaker 22: business very very well. Melbourn don't really beat themselves. You've

1752
01:30:55,987 --> 01:30:58,187
Speaker 22: got to do something extraordinary to beat them because they're

1753
01:30:58,187 --> 01:31:01,267
Speaker 22: defensively they're really good, and they're fit. They're very fit,

1754
01:31:01,347 --> 01:31:03,347
Speaker 22: so they can manage that hang in the contest for

1755
01:31:03,867 --> 01:31:07,227
Speaker 22: big minutes. I think the game against the Shark they completed,

1756
01:31:07,827 --> 01:31:10,307
Speaker 22: was it fifty six out of fifty eight sets or

1757
01:31:10,347 --> 01:31:13,227
Speaker 22: something ninety five percent something like that account It was

1758
01:31:13,267 --> 01:31:17,147
Speaker 22: something some astronomical number in terms of that. So and

1759
01:31:17,267 --> 01:31:19,907
Speaker 22: now they expect that they have as Craig Bellamy, you know,

1760
01:31:20,787 --> 01:31:24,187
Speaker 22: he just continues to evolve and adapt and you know,

1761
01:31:24,347 --> 01:31:28,467
Speaker 22: give these players and I think Poney, if you look

1762
01:31:28,507 --> 01:31:31,707
Speaker 22: at a couple of their back rows, Sean Blaw played

1763
01:31:31,987 --> 01:31:34,227
Speaker 22: two years at the Tigers and was a wooden spoon

1764
01:31:34,387 --> 01:31:37,067
Speaker 22: Ali kator now the last couple of years came from

1765
01:31:37,067 --> 01:31:38,827
Speaker 22: the Warriors. Yeah, he had a bit of talent, but

1766
01:31:39,067 --> 01:31:41,747
Speaker 22: they'd both gone to another level. So you know, when

1767
01:31:41,787 --> 01:31:44,747
Speaker 22: you think about players in what they can do in

1768
01:31:45,107 --> 01:31:48,067
Speaker 22: the environment that they create, you know, Craig Bellamy's and

1769
01:31:48,107 --> 01:31:49,827
Speaker 22: master at doing that.

1770
01:31:50,227 --> 01:31:52,627
Speaker 2: Yeah, fascinating Grand final and prospect and I could be

1771
01:31:52,667 --> 01:31:54,227
Speaker 2: one of the best ever to what a great chatting

1772
01:31:54,267 --> 01:31:56,027
Speaker 2: ragby league with you mate, Thanks for taking the time.

1773
01:31:56,827 --> 01:31:58,587
Speaker 22: Why is it privileged Pinty? No, worries and go the

1774
01:31:58,667 --> 01:31:59,227
Speaker 22: mighty Storm.

1775
01:31:59,347 --> 01:32:01,267
Speaker 2: We go the storm are right you? I suppose there's

1776
01:32:01,307 --> 01:32:02,827
Speaker 2: your old team, Isn't that That's fair enough? Good on

1777
01:32:02,867 --> 01:32:05,947
Speaker 2: your tower. Thanks indeed, Talta Nico Ryan Girdler with a

1778
01:32:05,987 --> 01:32:09,067
Speaker 2: panther point of view in just a moment to Trafalgar

1779
01:32:09,187 --> 01:32:11,107
Speaker 2: Park and Nelson courtesy of gold Sport.

1780
01:32:11,507 --> 01:32:14,747
Speaker 27: It's pick and go from the Taranucky Fords looking to

1781
01:32:14,867 --> 01:32:17,987
Speaker 27: use their mite. They're under advantage again as they swing

1782
01:32:18,067 --> 01:32:18,467
Speaker 27: it wide.

1783
01:32:18,587 --> 01:32:24,107
Speaker 28: Daniel Rona to Josh setto right running ball and it's

1784
01:32:24,227 --> 01:32:26,427
Speaker 28: under the crossbar for Taranucky.

1785
01:32:26,787 --> 01:32:26,947
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1786
01:32:27,027 --> 01:32:31,267
Speaker 2: Daniel Rona the try scorer Josh Jacob converting seven nil

1787
01:32:31,387 --> 01:32:34,987
Speaker 2: to Taranaky after seven minutes. But then William Harvelly kicked

1788
01:32:34,987 --> 01:32:38,467
Speaker 2: a penalty for Tasman seven to three after eleven minutes.

1789
01:32:39,027 --> 01:32:41,987
Speaker 2: But just in the last minute or so Josh Jacob

1790
01:32:42,027 --> 01:32:45,187
Speaker 2: has converted another penalty. So with fifteen minutes gone at

1791
01:32:45,187 --> 01:32:50,187
Speaker 2: Trafalgar Parker Nelson Tasman three, Taranuky ten. In this ran

1792
01:32:50,267 --> 01:32:53,347
Speaker 2: Fury Shield Challenge and also the final match in the

1793
01:32:53,427 --> 01:32:56,147
Speaker 2: round robin of the Bunnings NPC, we will keep you

1794
01:32:56,267 --> 01:32:59,667
Speaker 2: right up today two twenty Ryan Girdler on the NRL

1795
01:32:59,707 --> 01:33:02,307
Speaker 2: Grand Final when we come back Melbourne Storm v Penrith

1796
01:33:02,347 --> 01:33:05,947
Speaker 2: Panthers nine point thirty kickoff at a Core Stadium. Please

1797
01:33:05,947 --> 01:33:09,267
Speaker 2: you to wellman Ryan Girdler, New South Wales, state of

1798
01:33:09,307 --> 01:33:13,507
Speaker 2: origin and Australia international representative, over two hundred games for

1799
01:33:13,587 --> 01:33:17,947
Speaker 2: the Penrith Panthers and winner in the side that picked

1800
01:33:17,987 --> 01:33:20,947
Speaker 2: up the two thousand and three NRL Premiership beating the

1801
01:33:21,027 --> 01:33:24,587
Speaker 2: Roosters eighteen points to six in the final. Ryan, thanks

1802
01:33:24,627 --> 01:33:26,667
Speaker 2: for joining us across New Zealand on News Talk ZB.

1803
01:33:27,027 --> 01:33:29,107
Speaker 2: Can we start in two thousand and three? Can you

1804
01:33:29,147 --> 01:33:32,147
Speaker 2: remember your emotions heading into that Grand Final?

1805
01:33:32,987 --> 01:33:33,147
Speaker 11: Oh?

1806
01:33:33,347 --> 01:33:35,667
Speaker 29: Look, yeah, absolutely. It was the first Grand Final that

1807
01:33:35,787 --> 01:33:38,907
Speaker 29: the club had been in for some years. Obviously ninety

1808
01:33:38,947 --> 01:33:42,627
Speaker 29: one was our last premiership before that. So you know,

1809
01:33:42,827 --> 01:33:44,827
Speaker 29: like at the community, you've just been spoiled, haven't they

1810
01:33:44,867 --> 01:33:47,787
Speaker 29: the last five or so years on this on this

1811
01:33:48,027 --> 01:33:50,067
Speaker 29: brilliant run that they've had. But back then, you know,

1812
01:33:50,147 --> 01:33:53,507
Speaker 29: it was slim pickings for Panthers fans and we kind

1813
01:33:53,507 --> 01:33:56,347
Speaker 29: of sort of came from nowhere, finished out of the

1814
01:33:56,427 --> 01:33:59,987
Speaker 29: eight in two thousand and two and had some sort

1815
01:33:59,987 --> 01:34:04,107
Speaker 29: of junior pathway development players come through the Luke Lewis's

1816
01:34:04,187 --> 01:34:06,947
Speaker 29: and the Rooneys and the Waterhouses and the Rodney's, and

1817
01:34:08,027 --> 01:34:11,307
Speaker 29: then we had a trial game. We played your boys

1818
01:34:11,347 --> 01:34:15,627
Speaker 29: actually over there and I don't know where it was,

1819
01:34:15,707 --> 01:34:18,667
Speaker 29: it might have been on the South Island are as,

1820
01:34:18,707 --> 01:34:21,187
Speaker 29: an exhibition game early on in the season. Had a

1821
01:34:21,267 --> 01:34:24,347
Speaker 29: good result and your guys were sort of obviously in

1822
01:34:24,387 --> 01:34:27,067
Speaker 29: the Grand Final of the year before, so got a

1823
01:34:27,107 --> 01:34:29,027
Speaker 29: little bit of confidence out of that. Then went in

1824
01:34:29,267 --> 01:34:32,307
Speaker 29: and started the season. I went too, and thought here

1825
01:34:32,347 --> 01:34:34,507
Speaker 29: we go again, and then yeah, just found some form

1826
01:34:34,587 --> 01:34:38,267
Speaker 29: and then sort of was able to maintain that that

1827
01:34:38,427 --> 01:34:41,387
Speaker 29: momentum throughout the season and then ended up in you know,

1828
01:34:41,547 --> 01:34:44,067
Speaker 29: being minor premiers and going into the finals in good

1829
01:34:44,187 --> 01:34:48,467
Speaker 29: touch and won our major like the first semi against

1830
01:34:48,467 --> 01:34:51,787
Speaker 29: the Broncos and then beat the you know for Warriors

1831
01:34:52,307 --> 01:34:53,827
Speaker 29: in the pre limp and we were able to go

1832
01:34:53,907 --> 01:34:56,707
Speaker 29: on and get the Ruses in the GF. So it was, yeah,

1833
01:34:56,947 --> 01:34:59,307
Speaker 29: it's obviously a while ago, but it was the back

1834
01:34:59,427 --> 01:35:01,107
Speaker 29: end of my career, so I was old enough to

1835
01:35:01,187 --> 01:35:04,507
Speaker 29: kind of know how important that experience was and how

1836
01:35:04,667 --> 01:35:10,587
Speaker 29: rare it was, you know, chief premiership glory in a

1837
01:35:10,667 --> 01:35:13,587
Speaker 29: club that wasn't used to having that sort of success.

1838
01:35:13,667 --> 01:35:16,867
Speaker 2: And ahead of such a big occasion, Ryan, how did

1839
01:35:16,947 --> 01:35:19,827
Speaker 2: you and the other players keep the emotions and the

1840
01:35:19,907 --> 01:35:22,547
Speaker 2: excitement and check? How do you just try and approach

1841
01:35:22,587 --> 01:35:25,027
Speaker 2: it like any other game, if that's possible.

1842
01:35:25,587 --> 01:35:26,267
Speaker 29: It was interesting.

1843
01:35:26,347 --> 01:35:26,467
Speaker 4: You know.

1844
01:35:26,747 --> 01:35:29,747
Speaker 29: We had a few guys like myself that had a

1845
01:35:29,787 --> 01:35:32,667
Speaker 29: fair bit of experience in bigger games, in origins and

1846
01:35:33,027 --> 01:35:36,787
Speaker 29: test matches and World Cup, so we kind of knew

1847
01:35:36,827 --> 01:35:39,547
Speaker 29: what it was about and what it represented. But as

1848
01:35:39,587 --> 01:35:41,147
Speaker 29: I said, you know, we had all these young guys

1849
01:35:41,227 --> 01:35:44,427
Speaker 29: coming in that had really no expectations. We're just going

1850
01:35:44,507 --> 01:35:48,667
Speaker 29: out there bringing lots of energy and just taking it literally,

1851
01:35:49,147 --> 01:35:51,387
Speaker 29: you know, each week at the time. So as we

1852
01:35:51,467 --> 01:35:54,227
Speaker 29: got into the finals, there was still a lot of people,

1853
01:35:54,507 --> 01:35:57,587
Speaker 29: you know, writing us off. We played a Broncos side

1854
01:35:57,627 --> 01:36:00,507
Speaker 29: in that first final that had like Talis and Lockier

1855
01:36:00,627 --> 01:36:03,587
Speaker 29: and Sailor and Webke and Thorn, and it was like,

1856
01:36:04,347 --> 01:36:06,267
Speaker 29: you know, like we didn't even go into that game

1857
01:36:06,427 --> 01:36:09,027
Speaker 29: the favorite after being minor Premierships, and after winning that,

1858
01:36:09,107 --> 01:36:11,267
Speaker 29: we went straight through and met your boys again. You know,

1859
01:36:11,427 --> 01:36:14,467
Speaker 29: expectation was, well, can they continue on this run? And

1860
01:36:14,547 --> 01:36:16,387
Speaker 29: then you know we met the Roosters who won the

1861
01:36:16,387 --> 01:36:18,947
Speaker 29: company year before in the Grand Final, and again all

1862
01:36:18,987 --> 01:36:20,867
Speaker 29: the pressure seemed to be on them because no one

1863
01:36:20,947 --> 01:36:24,467
Speaker 29: really expected us to be where we were. So, you know,

1864
01:36:24,547 --> 01:36:27,147
Speaker 29: there was a couple of the older guys that knew

1865
01:36:27,307 --> 01:36:30,867
Speaker 29: how rare this opportunity was because you know, I played

1866
01:36:30,907 --> 01:36:33,547
Speaker 29: fourteen years at the club before we had any sort

1867
01:36:33,547 --> 01:36:35,507
Speaker 29: of success, so I kind of knew that this was,

1868
01:36:35,987 --> 01:36:38,027
Speaker 29: you know, an opportunity that need to be taken. But

1869
01:36:38,107 --> 01:36:40,027
Speaker 29: the young guys probably just thought, well, this is what

1870
01:36:40,107 --> 01:36:42,627
Speaker 29: happens every year, and how good was playing. You know,

1871
01:36:42,707 --> 01:36:45,707
Speaker 29: the NRL had the dream run, So I think it

1872
01:36:45,867 --> 01:36:48,187
Speaker 29: was a combination of all that allows us to contain

1873
01:36:48,227 --> 01:36:51,307
Speaker 29: all those emotions and not get overwhelmed. And then I

1874
01:36:51,347 --> 01:36:54,187
Speaker 29: guess it was you know, all the outside noise about

1875
01:36:54,347 --> 01:36:57,307
Speaker 29: you know, the Roosters and the Warriors and these other

1876
01:36:57,387 --> 01:36:58,987
Speaker 29: teams that were going to beat us and end up

1877
01:36:59,067 --> 01:37:01,507
Speaker 29: not being able to and and that was kind of

1878
01:37:01,667 --> 01:37:03,307
Speaker 29: like the story of our run that year.

1879
01:37:03,707 --> 01:37:05,787
Speaker 2: Well let's bring it to the present day. This is

1880
01:37:05,907 --> 01:37:10,267
Speaker 2: already you buy any measure a great penrith side. What

1881
01:37:10,307 --> 01:37:13,747
Speaker 2: would a fourth straight title do to further solidify one

1882
01:37:13,787 --> 01:37:15,387
Speaker 2: of the great NRAL dynasties.

1883
01:37:15,787 --> 01:37:18,147
Speaker 29: Yeah, well, I mean, you know, sometimes you've just got

1884
01:37:18,187 --> 01:37:21,467
Speaker 29: these these clubs that have these brilliant individual players that

1885
01:37:21,547 --> 01:37:23,747
Speaker 29: play a lot of origin and rep football and are

1886
01:37:23,827 --> 01:37:26,067
Speaker 29: just dominant, you know, like as I spoke about that

1887
01:37:26,347 --> 01:37:29,707
Speaker 29: that that Bronco side in the late nineties, early two thousands,

1888
01:37:29,787 --> 01:37:31,627
Speaker 29: you know, with those names that I just mentioned, you know,

1889
01:37:31,747 --> 01:37:34,987
Speaker 29: individual wise, and you'd have to say that, you know,

1890
01:37:35,147 --> 01:37:38,827
Speaker 29: those guys are probably a better side of individuals. And

1891
01:37:38,867 --> 01:37:41,267
Speaker 29: then you have just this this group at the moment

1892
01:37:41,347 --> 01:37:43,347
Speaker 29: that are just a great team. You know, like they're

1893
01:37:43,427 --> 01:37:47,187
Speaker 29: just a fantastic, fantastic team that work really hard and

1894
01:37:47,467 --> 01:37:49,747
Speaker 29: have found that you don't need to be a whole

1895
01:37:50,747 --> 01:37:55,267
Speaker 29: team full of individual stars to have success, sustained success.

1896
01:37:55,307 --> 01:37:58,467
Speaker 29: They've got the secret, you know, they obviously each year

1897
01:37:58,547 --> 01:38:01,307
Speaker 29: for me, the surprise is the fact that they've already

1898
01:38:01,467 --> 01:38:03,747
Speaker 29: got two or three rings and they find a way

1899
01:38:03,787 --> 01:38:06,227
Speaker 29: to have more desire than everyone else that's chasing them,

1900
01:38:06,427 --> 01:38:09,067
Speaker 29: and they they're the hunted every year, and they seem

1901
01:38:09,107 --> 01:38:11,987
Speaker 29: to kind of like it. They seem to you know,

1902
01:38:12,107 --> 01:38:16,187
Speaker 29: continually outwork other teams and the model that they've used

1903
01:38:16,227 --> 01:38:18,827
Speaker 29: to had all that success, which is really hard to maintain,

1904
01:38:18,947 --> 01:38:21,107
Speaker 29: which is the standards in which they keep a training

1905
01:38:21,227 --> 01:38:24,907
Speaker 29: and in their preparation. They've just got those sort of

1906
01:38:25,027 --> 01:38:28,587
Speaker 29: characteristics individually that you know, just put them in that

1907
01:38:28,667 --> 01:38:31,947
Speaker 29: position every year and they just find a way continually

1908
01:38:32,027 --> 01:38:35,267
Speaker 29: even after you know, losing the quality of players. And

1909
01:38:35,667 --> 01:38:39,187
Speaker 29: everyone mentions the kickours and the chorus ours and the critons,

1910
01:38:39,227 --> 01:38:41,907
Speaker 29: but you know they're losing guys at pathways as well.

1911
01:38:41,947 --> 01:38:43,547
Speaker 29: You've got guys that haven't even played a lot of

1912
01:38:43,627 --> 01:38:48,587
Speaker 29: first grade, like the lock forward that went over to

1913
01:38:49,067 --> 01:38:51,347
Speaker 29: Paramatta Is year and end up playing Origin, you know,

1914
01:38:51,547 --> 01:38:54,467
Speaker 29: like he came he came out of the system, you know.

1915
01:38:54,627 --> 01:38:56,747
Speaker 29: So and then there's the Cape Wells and the other

1916
01:38:56,787 --> 01:38:59,947
Speaker 29: guys that people forget about that you see what sort

1917
01:38:59,987 --> 01:39:02,587
Speaker 29: of impact he had when he left the Broncos as well.

1918
01:39:02,707 --> 01:39:10,067
Speaker 29: So it's just an incredible story in history. Given cap

1919
01:39:10,147 --> 01:39:12,747
Speaker 29: in place, you'd have to credit the whole organization for

1920
01:39:13,747 --> 01:39:17,227
Speaker 29: recruitment and retention and the whole other side of the

1921
01:39:17,267 --> 01:39:19,227
Speaker 29: business that a lot of people don't really think about.

1922
01:39:19,307 --> 01:39:22,107
Speaker 29: But the whole club has just done a wonderful job

1923
01:39:22,187 --> 01:39:24,507
Speaker 29: and given that community so much joy over the last

1924
01:39:24,547 --> 01:39:26,267
Speaker 29: five or six years. I've just love watching it.

1925
01:39:26,787 --> 01:39:31,587
Speaker 2: The Clearies coach Ivan playmaker Nathan such an important player,

1926
01:39:31,827 --> 01:39:34,907
Speaker 2: such an important coach. Are you able to articulate Ryan,

1927
01:39:34,987 --> 01:39:37,827
Speaker 2: how integral the Clearies are to this club?

1928
01:39:38,987 --> 01:39:41,867
Speaker 29: Well, I think what people really respect like they know

1929
01:39:41,987 --> 01:39:44,427
Speaker 29: that they're not paying a juniors, although you know Nathan

1930
01:39:44,507 --> 01:39:45,987
Speaker 29: spent a fair bit of time out there, because I

1931
01:39:45,987 --> 01:39:48,547
Speaker 29: haven't been out there, and obviously I haven't spent a

1932
01:39:48,587 --> 01:39:50,387
Speaker 29: lot of time over your way as well, and Nathan

1933
01:39:50,507 --> 01:39:53,787
Speaker 29: was over there, So I feel like, you know, what

1934
01:39:53,947 --> 01:39:57,427
Speaker 29: the people really respect is how they've embraced the community

1935
01:39:57,507 --> 01:40:01,747
Speaker 29: and how even though they might live there or you know,

1936
01:40:01,867 --> 01:40:04,547
Speaker 29: they might have spent a lot of time out there

1937
01:40:04,627 --> 01:40:07,987
Speaker 29: in the past, while they're out there, they've really embraced

1938
01:40:08,027 --> 01:40:10,627
Speaker 29: their connection with the community and with the people out there,

1939
01:40:10,667 --> 01:40:14,707
Speaker 29: and I think that's been really why the fans have responded.

1940
01:40:14,787 --> 01:40:17,467
Speaker 29: And then obviously on the back of their success. You know,

1941
01:40:17,587 --> 01:40:19,827
Speaker 29: as easy as you know to be a supporter when

1942
01:40:20,227 --> 01:40:22,947
Speaker 29: you know things are going well, it's easy to spend

1943
01:40:22,987 --> 01:40:24,667
Speaker 29: your heart earned when you're going down there on a

1944
01:40:24,707 --> 01:40:27,187
Speaker 29: Sunday or a Saturday night and you know that the

1945
01:40:27,307 --> 01:40:29,667
Speaker 29: team's going to make you and your family feel good

1946
01:40:29,707 --> 01:40:32,987
Speaker 29: and there's going to be plenty to celebrate. So yeah,

1947
01:40:33,027 --> 01:40:35,227
Speaker 29: I just think and people respect it. You know, it's

1948
01:40:35,227 --> 01:40:38,787
Speaker 29: a hard working community. People respect hard work and they

1949
01:40:38,907 --> 01:40:41,107
Speaker 29: see the hard work that those guys put in to

1950
01:40:41,147 --> 01:40:44,787
Speaker 29: be able to maintain the levels that they do and

1951
01:40:44,947 --> 01:40:47,987
Speaker 29: for long distance and long periods of time. So they

1952
01:40:48,107 --> 01:40:50,707
Speaker 29: just fit in in so many different ways. They seem

1953
01:40:50,827 --> 01:40:51,347
Speaker 29: very humble.

1954
01:40:51,547 --> 01:40:51,707
Speaker 6: You know.

1955
01:40:51,787 --> 01:40:54,387
Speaker 29: The way that they communicate through the media to their

1956
01:40:54,467 --> 01:40:58,787
Speaker 29: fans is always I believe, done in a manner in

1957
01:40:58,827 --> 01:41:02,867
Speaker 29: which the fans respect it. And even though they can

1958
01:41:03,107 --> 01:41:04,947
Speaker 29: have a little bit of swagger and they can be

1959
01:41:05,027 --> 01:41:08,667
Speaker 29: a little bit cocky on the field, you know, they've

1960
01:41:08,867 --> 01:41:11,947
Speaker 29: they've been in the last five Grand Finals, so they're

1961
01:41:12,107 --> 01:41:14,347
Speaker 29: walking in the walk, they're talking the talk, and the

1962
01:41:14,427 --> 01:41:15,547
Speaker 29: people out there just love them.

1963
01:41:15,787 --> 01:41:17,787
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the Melbourne Storm then, how do you

1964
01:41:17,867 --> 01:41:20,387
Speaker 2: write their chances of stopping this Panthers machine tonight.

1965
01:41:21,347 --> 01:41:23,747
Speaker 29: Yeah, Look, you know, I think they are a really

1966
01:41:23,787 --> 01:41:25,627
Speaker 29: good chance. I thought the Broncos were a really good

1967
01:41:25,707 --> 01:41:27,747
Speaker 29: chance last year and they did go really close, and

1968
01:41:28,507 --> 01:41:30,307
Speaker 29: you know, I think the Melbourne Storm go in in

1969
01:41:30,387 --> 01:41:33,227
Speaker 29: probably better form. Their finals form has probably been a

1970
01:41:33,227 --> 01:41:37,507
Speaker 29: little bit better than Penis you know they've got you know,

1971
01:41:37,587 --> 01:41:41,427
Speaker 29: their key personnel in those key positions are all in

1972
01:41:41,547 --> 01:41:45,547
Speaker 29: great form that they've got a really the way that

1973
01:41:45,627 --> 01:41:49,307
Speaker 29: they play really threatened Penrith defensively, you know, with running

1974
01:41:49,387 --> 01:41:52,947
Speaker 29: halves and a fullback that you know has so much

1975
01:41:53,827 --> 01:41:56,667
Speaker 29: variation and speak to his game as well, and probably

1976
01:41:56,707 --> 01:41:59,747
Speaker 29: the most creative dummy half in the league. So they're

1977
01:41:59,787 --> 01:42:04,107
Speaker 29: certainly going to be a handful for Penrith. And this

1978
01:42:04,387 --> 01:42:07,387
Speaker 29: kind of like to me, looks more like an origin

1979
01:42:07,827 --> 01:42:10,667
Speaker 29: than it does like an NRL game. When you've got

1980
01:42:11,147 --> 01:42:13,667
Speaker 29: you know, all these key players and all these representative

1981
01:42:13,707 --> 01:42:16,027
Speaker 29: players from both teams that have had so much success

1982
01:42:16,307 --> 01:42:18,787
Speaker 29: at all different levels. They go out and usually it's

1983
01:42:18,867 --> 01:42:21,947
Speaker 29: one in a couple of moments because they both have

1984
01:42:22,107 --> 01:42:25,747
Speaker 29: the same sort of attributes. They play at high intensity

1985
01:42:25,827 --> 01:42:27,867
Speaker 29: for long periods of time, which is I think what

1986
01:42:28,107 --> 01:42:30,547
Speaker 29: sort of stood them above from everyone else in the

1987
01:42:30,587 --> 01:42:33,027
Speaker 29: competition this year. You know, people teams just couldn't go

1988
01:42:33,107 --> 01:42:35,107
Speaker 29: with them. They would just literally get them in the

1989
01:42:35,187 --> 01:42:39,067
Speaker 29: cycle and just like you know, just burn them out

1990
01:42:39,187 --> 01:42:43,587
Speaker 29: and you know, just be relentless, and other sides just

1991
01:42:43,667 --> 01:42:46,267
Speaker 29: couldn't go with them for long periods. And these two

1992
01:42:46,347 --> 01:42:48,587
Speaker 29: sides are the best of that. So if they both

1993
01:42:48,667 --> 01:42:50,947
Speaker 29: go out there with that mentality, which I'd imagine they will,

1994
01:42:50,987 --> 01:42:53,627
Speaker 29: it's going to come down hopefully not referee decisions, but

1995
01:42:54,147 --> 01:42:57,667
Speaker 29: big moments owned by you guys like Clearing and Munster

1996
01:42:58,187 --> 01:43:01,867
Speaker 29: and Grant and Edwards and Yo. So it's a top

1997
01:43:01,907 --> 01:43:04,067
Speaker 29: of a coin. To be fair, I really have no

1998
01:43:04,147 --> 01:43:05,547
Speaker 29: idea who's going to get the job done, but I

1999
01:43:05,587 --> 01:43:07,107
Speaker 29: think it's going to be one hell of a content.

2000
01:43:07,667 --> 01:43:10,107
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I totally agree. Just to finish Ryan, it

2001
01:43:10,147 --> 01:43:12,187
Speaker 2: always felt like we were hitting for a storm Panther's

2002
01:43:12,227 --> 01:43:15,307
Speaker 2: Grand Final. Even from a long way out during the

2003
01:43:15,387 --> 01:43:18,067
Speaker 2: regular season, these two felt like they were the best

2004
01:43:18,067 --> 01:43:20,987
Speaker 2: two teams by some distance. Has that taken away any

2005
01:43:21,027 --> 01:43:24,227
Speaker 2: of the jeopardy, any of the excitement, the interest in

2006
01:43:24,307 --> 01:43:26,227
Speaker 2: the regular season in the final series?

2007
01:43:27,787 --> 01:43:29,587
Speaker 29: Oh look, I think the NRL, if you look at

2008
01:43:29,587 --> 01:43:32,227
Speaker 29: the numbers, you know, the gate that you know, bums

2009
01:43:32,267 --> 01:43:35,667
Speaker 29: on seats and also through their broadcasters, you know, you know,

2010
01:43:35,747 --> 01:43:37,547
Speaker 29: the game has just gone to another level. I think,

2011
01:43:37,667 --> 01:43:41,987
Speaker 29: you know, with how they're the administration, the premission to

2012
01:43:41,987 --> 01:43:45,267
Speaker 29: Baker the last couple of years has been exceptional, and yeah,

2013
01:43:45,507 --> 01:43:48,707
Speaker 29: you know, it's it's more popular than ever over here. Obviously,

2014
01:43:49,467 --> 01:43:52,027
Speaker 29: no one really mentions the Wallabies anymore because of you know,

2015
01:43:52,067 --> 01:43:56,267
Speaker 29: where they're at in their cycle of development. So and

2016
01:43:56,347 --> 01:43:59,387
Speaker 29: the AFL has sort of finished last week. So yeah,

2017
01:43:59,467 --> 01:44:02,147
Speaker 29: I think the RLS NRL is more popular than ever.

2018
01:44:02,307 --> 01:44:05,747
Speaker 29: With different social media platforms and so many different broadcast

2019
01:44:05,747 --> 01:44:09,347
Speaker 29: there's so much much information, you know, coming out about

2020
01:44:09,387 --> 01:44:12,387
Speaker 29: the game and the players. You know, there's lots of

2021
01:44:12,507 --> 01:44:14,987
Speaker 29: characters in the game at the moment, and yeah, I

2022
01:44:15,027 --> 01:44:16,747
Speaker 29: think there's a lot of interest. As you said, this

2023
01:44:16,867 --> 01:44:19,107
Speaker 29: has been the game that I think everyone's been waiting

2024
01:44:19,187 --> 01:44:23,707
Speaker 29: to see, especially since probably you know, later around in

2025
01:44:23,707 --> 01:44:27,267
Speaker 29: the competition. I think any everyone forecasted this Grand Final

2026
01:44:27,307 --> 01:44:30,227
Speaker 29: at the beginning, you know, when the finals started, and

2027
01:44:30,987 --> 01:44:32,947
Speaker 29: I think it would have been disappointing to see, you know,

2028
01:44:33,107 --> 01:44:38,107
Speaker 29: anyone else get there. So there's yeah, even though Penrith

2029
01:44:38,427 --> 01:44:42,027
Speaker 29: have sort of had that run. And I think people appreciate,

2030
01:44:42,227 --> 01:44:45,387
Speaker 29: you know, when they're alive to witness greatness and that's

2031
01:44:45,387 --> 01:44:47,867
Speaker 29: what they're seeing and they might might be another fifty

2032
01:44:47,987 --> 01:44:51,307
Speaker 29: years before we see another team go through like a

2033
01:44:51,467 --> 01:44:54,947
Speaker 29: cycle like this, So I think everyone's just enjoying it.

2034
01:44:55,067 --> 01:44:58,587
Speaker 29: You know, it's hard not to respect and and honor

2035
01:44:58,667 --> 01:45:00,667
Speaker 29: what they've done as a as a footy club. And

2036
01:45:01,867 --> 01:45:04,867
Speaker 29: obviously everyone you know likes, you know, some of those

2037
01:45:04,907 --> 01:45:07,707
Speaker 29: Melbourne guys. There's a lot of characters in their side

2038
01:45:07,787 --> 01:45:11,347
Speaker 29: and they're well respected for what they do on a

2039
01:45:11,427 --> 01:45:13,987
Speaker 29: weekly basis. So yeah, I think there's a hell of

2040
01:45:14,027 --> 01:45:17,427
Speaker 29: a lot of interest in this game on the weekend,

2041
01:45:17,547 --> 01:45:19,507
Speaker 29: and I don't think too many people will be too

2042
01:45:19,547 --> 01:45:21,667
Speaker 29: worried about which way the result goes either. As long

2043
01:45:21,707 --> 01:45:25,027
Speaker 29: as it's a good contest and the players decide who

2044
01:45:25,107 --> 01:45:27,107
Speaker 29: gets the cup, I think everyone will be happy.

2045
01:45:27,227 --> 01:45:28,187
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're probably right.

2046
01:45:28,267 --> 01:45:28,387
Speaker 6: Ryan.

2047
01:45:28,427 --> 01:45:31,147
Speaker 2: Hey, great to get your expertise and your memories as well.

2048
01:45:31,187 --> 01:45:35,227
Speaker 2: Thanks mate, Ryan Girdler Premiership winner with Penrith in two

2049
01:45:35,267 --> 01:45:38,347
Speaker 2: thousand and three over two hundred games for the Panthers.

2050
01:45:38,427 --> 01:45:41,427
Speaker 2: Panthers Storm tonight. I don't think there's any way separating

2051
01:45:41,467 --> 01:45:44,747
Speaker 2: these two. You can make arguments for both sides, you

2052
01:45:44,787 --> 01:45:48,667
Speaker 2: can look at the odds that have the Storm slightly favored,

2053
01:45:49,067 --> 01:45:53,267
Speaker 2: but really it's just a clash of two absolute powerhouses

2054
01:45:53,947 --> 01:45:56,267
Speaker 2: of modern day rugby league going out it tonight from

2055
01:45:56,307 --> 01:45:59,027
Speaker 2: nine point thirty. Let's just hope that the contest lives

2056
01:45:59,107 --> 01:46:01,747
Speaker 2: up to all of the hype tonight it is twenty

2057
01:46:01,787 --> 01:46:04,107
Speaker 2: four away from three. Let's get you back to Trafalgar

2058
01:46:04,187 --> 01:46:06,307
Speaker 2: Park courtesy of gold Sport.

2059
01:46:06,507 --> 01:46:09,067
Speaker 27: Only seven eight meters from their own try line. Tasman

2060
01:46:09,627 --> 01:46:11,747
Speaker 27: I may want to find touch shortly to get out

2061
01:46:11,867 --> 01:46:15,307
Speaker 27: of the red zone because there's danger of footsolds on

2062
01:46:15,507 --> 01:46:19,467
Speaker 27: with Taranaki, who's attacking heart at the moment for Lake Christie,

2063
01:46:20,187 --> 01:46:21,107
Speaker 27: they go away.

2064
01:46:20,867 --> 01:46:21,267
Speaker 11: To the right.

2065
01:46:21,347 --> 01:46:22,267
Speaker 27: Has that been knocked one?

2066
01:46:22,307 --> 01:46:26,827
Speaker 28: It's loose ball and it's a try Michael left.

2067
01:46:26,907 --> 01:46:31,267
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's Tananaky scoring their second try of the contest.

2068
01:46:31,387 --> 01:46:34,667
Speaker 2: It was converted by Josh Jacob who has also kicked

2069
01:46:34,667 --> 01:46:39,227
Speaker 2: a penalty. So with what have we got about? Thirty

2070
01:46:39,387 --> 01:46:42,907
Speaker 2: four minutes gone now as Tasman just about scored their

2071
01:46:42,907 --> 01:46:46,227
Speaker 2: first try but held up over the line. Taranaky twenty

2072
01:46:46,387 --> 01:46:51,507
Speaker 2: points to three ahead of Tasman. Sorry, thirty one minutes gone.

2073
01:46:51,587 --> 01:46:54,307
Speaker 2: Thirty one minutes gone at Trafalgar Park, but certainly not

2074
01:46:54,427 --> 01:46:57,587
Speaker 2: the score line that well sery. Tasman fans weren't after

2075
01:46:57,667 --> 01:47:00,667
Speaker 2: and I don't think many expected, but Taranuky the Amber

2076
01:47:00,787 --> 01:47:05,467
Speaker 2: and Blacks twenty points to three, ahead of the of

2077
01:47:05,547 --> 01:47:08,747
Speaker 2: the Tasman muck. Not only the Ranfilly Shield on the line,

2078
01:47:08,747 --> 01:47:11,827
Speaker 2: but also Tasman could relinquish top spot on the playoffs

2079
01:47:11,867 --> 01:47:14,827
Speaker 2: if they don't win this one, Wellington would finish top

2080
01:47:15,227 --> 01:47:17,627
Speaker 2: and take hosting rights through There's a long way to go.

2081
01:47:18,307 --> 01:47:21,827
Speaker 2: Thirty one and a half minutes gone, tutanlucky twenty Tasman three.

2082
01:47:21,947 --> 01:47:25,227
Speaker 2: We will keep you updated. Twenty two and a half

2083
01:47:25,267 --> 01:47:27,347
Speaker 2: away from three. Will take a break, come back, change

2084
01:47:27,347 --> 01:47:29,747
Speaker 2: the shape of the ball to football. Ben Wayne, part

2085
01:47:29,787 --> 01:47:32,147
Speaker 2: of the All White squad for upcoming World Cup qualifiers,

2086
01:47:32,427 --> 01:47:34,107
Speaker 2: about to hop on a plane in the UK and

2087
01:47:34,147 --> 01:47:35,787
Speaker 2: head back this way. They'll have a chat to us

2088
01:47:35,827 --> 01:47:36,227
Speaker 2: right after this.

2089
01:47:37,747 --> 01:47:38,787
Speaker 3: You be the TMO.

2090
01:47:39,067 --> 01:47:41,427
Speaker 1: Have your say on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

2091
01:47:41,627 --> 01:47:46,307
Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Paine and GJ. Guvnerholmes, New Zealand's

2092
01:47:46,347 --> 01:47:48,107
Speaker 1: most trusted home builder news Dogs.

2093
01:47:48,107 --> 01:47:51,107
Speaker 2: They'd be nineteen away from three to thirty five minutes

2094
01:47:51,107 --> 01:47:53,987
Speaker 2: gone and Nelson Tartanucky still lead twenty points to three

2095
01:47:54,067 --> 01:47:57,547
Speaker 2: to make matters worse for Tasman. Timothy Tavatava Nahway, who's

2096
01:47:57,587 --> 01:48:01,187
Speaker 2: been one of their standouts during this NPC campaign is

2097
01:48:01,227 --> 01:48:03,307
Speaker 2: not playing, and in fact I was just seen a

2098
01:48:03,347 --> 01:48:08,227
Speaker 2: photo which shows Timothy Tavatava Nahway sitting watching the game

2099
01:48:08,267 --> 01:48:10,827
Speaker 2: with his league in a brace. So I'm not sure

2100
01:48:10,867 --> 01:48:13,427
Speaker 2: what that does for his chances of a call up

2101
01:48:13,507 --> 01:48:15,387
Speaker 2: perhaps to the All Blacks fifteen. I think he's well

2102
01:48:15,427 --> 01:48:16,947
Speaker 2: and truly in the frame for that, if not the

2103
01:48:17,027 --> 01:48:21,587
Speaker 2: All Blacks Tavataranahway after the NPC campaign he's had. We'll

2104
01:48:21,587 --> 01:48:25,587
Speaker 2: wait for more clarity around that. The All Whites begin

2105
01:48:25,707 --> 01:48:28,587
Speaker 2: their World Cup qualifying campaign this week to try and

2106
01:48:28,627 --> 01:48:30,907
Speaker 2: make it to the twenty twenty six Football World Cup.

2107
01:48:30,987 --> 01:48:34,787
Speaker 2: They play Tahiti this coming Friday. That game is in Vanawatu,

2108
01:48:35,227 --> 01:48:38,187
Speaker 2: and then on Monday they play a friendly against Malaysia

2109
01:48:38,747 --> 01:48:42,587
Speaker 2: at North Harber Stadium, Albany. In November, it's van Watu

2110
01:48:42,747 --> 01:48:46,507
Speaker 2: in Hamilton and Samoa in Auckland and New Zella Football

2111
01:48:46,507 --> 01:48:48,947
Speaker 2: have made the tickets really cheap for these games, so

2112
01:48:49,027 --> 01:48:52,347
Speaker 2: they should be hopefully accessible to just about everybody. Adults

2113
01:48:52,427 --> 01:48:55,547
Speaker 2: twenty dollars kids just five plus ticketing fees for the

2114
01:48:55,867 --> 01:49:01,067
Speaker 2: games here in New Zealand. Malaysia a week tomorrow at Albany,

2115
01:49:01,307 --> 01:49:03,387
Speaker 2: then Van no whah To in Hamilton and Samoa in

2116
01:49:03,467 --> 01:49:07,347
Speaker 2: Auckland in November. All Whites striker in Wayne, of course,

2117
01:49:07,467 --> 01:49:08,587
Speaker 2: is a big part of this side.

2118
01:49:09,107 --> 01:49:11,547
Speaker 30: He's getting backs and x with Mackenzy has to get

2119
01:49:11,587 --> 01:49:14,187
Speaker 30: a shot to over to keep one out in New

2120
01:49:14,267 --> 01:49:22,547
Speaker 30: Zealand of levels the Church's goal, Ben Wayne, the substitute

2121
01:49:22,907 --> 01:49:25,947
Speaker 30: takes advantage and it's one one.

2122
01:49:26,027 --> 01:49:28,067
Speaker 2: We're two minutes left to play. Yeah, that was the

2123
01:49:28,147 --> 01:49:29,907
Speaker 2: last time the All White's played a one all draw

2124
01:49:30,107 --> 01:49:32,387
Speaker 2: against the United States. I want to ask you about

2125
01:49:32,427 --> 01:49:34,027
Speaker 2: that goal in a minute, Ben, actually, but thanks for

2126
01:49:34,147 --> 01:49:37,667
Speaker 2: joining us. So you're currently on loan at Mansfield Town

2127
01:49:37,907 --> 01:49:41,187
Speaker 2: from your parent club Plymouth Argyle. So how's it going

2128
01:49:41,227 --> 01:49:42,067
Speaker 2: at Mansfield Town.

2129
01:49:42,947 --> 01:49:43,867
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's really good.

2130
01:49:44,467 --> 01:49:48,427
Speaker 25: The last couple of weeks have been been really easy,

2131
01:49:48,507 --> 01:49:50,947
Speaker 25: to be fair, getting into a new team and everyone's

2132
01:49:50,987 --> 01:49:53,107
Speaker 25: been friendly and to get off to mark the other

2133
01:49:53,187 --> 01:49:57,387
Speaker 25: day and then we had another two nil wind this afternoon.

2134
01:49:58,067 --> 01:49:59,867
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're flying at the moment. So it's awesome.

2135
01:49:59,947 --> 01:50:00,147
Speaker 6: Yeah.

2136
01:50:00,147 --> 01:50:03,107
Speaker 2: I so you scored your first goal against Crawley midweek.

2137
01:50:03,627 --> 01:50:05,387
Speaker 2: Does that take the weight off your shoulders at all

2138
01:50:05,427 --> 01:50:07,467
Speaker 2: at a new club getting the mark with your first.

2139
01:50:07,267 --> 01:50:10,387
Speaker 4: Goal, Yeah, yeah, big time. No, I've been.

2140
01:50:10,427 --> 01:50:12,347
Speaker 25: I've been working hard with the with the time I've

2141
01:50:12,387 --> 01:50:15,107
Speaker 25: had and to be able to come on and score

2142
01:50:15,147 --> 01:50:17,307
Speaker 25: the other day was it was really special and like

2143
01:50:17,387 --> 01:50:19,587
Speaker 25: you said, massive, massive weight off the shoulders.

2144
01:50:19,867 --> 01:50:22,707
Speaker 2: Your manager at Mansfield is Nigel Cloth, who was a

2145
01:50:22,747 --> 01:50:25,147
Speaker 2: fairly handy striker in his day. How helpful has he

2146
01:50:25,267 --> 01:50:27,347
Speaker 2: been to you as a as a fellow striker?

2147
01:50:27,987 --> 01:50:29,267
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, hugely.

2148
01:50:30,427 --> 01:50:32,827
Speaker 25: I'd say he's definitely a bit more old school for

2149
01:50:32,867 --> 01:50:35,027
Speaker 25: his coaching, but it's to be honest, it's really refreshing

2150
01:50:36,107 --> 01:50:38,267
Speaker 25: some of the tips and stuff he's been given me.

2151
01:50:38,787 --> 01:50:42,107
Speaker 25: The information has been just really straightforward and it's stuff

2152
01:50:42,107 --> 01:50:45,267
Speaker 25: they haven't really thought about as well before. So it's no,

2153
01:50:45,387 --> 01:50:46,787
Speaker 25: it's been it's been really really good.

2154
01:50:46,947 --> 01:50:50,307
Speaker 2: So you're on loan at Mansfield. What's the situation around

2155
01:50:50,667 --> 01:50:53,827
Speaker 2: Plymouth Ardgle your parent club. How much contact do you

2156
01:50:53,947 --> 01:50:55,947
Speaker 2: retain with them and what's the nature of that content?

2157
01:50:57,147 --> 01:50:57,347
Speaker 12: Yeah?

2158
01:50:57,467 --> 01:51:00,827
Speaker 25: No, very good contact to be fair. The one of

2159
01:51:00,827 --> 01:51:02,427
Speaker 25: the physios will always stay in touch with me just

2160
01:51:02,467 --> 01:51:05,467
Speaker 25: to make sure everythink's okay. And there's a there's a

2161
01:51:05,707 --> 01:51:08,147
Speaker 25: one of the coaches called Nance who's Plymouth our goal

2162
01:51:08,227 --> 01:51:10,187
Speaker 25: through and through and he he keeps in touch with

2163
01:51:10,267 --> 01:51:13,227
Speaker 25: me as well, So no, the relationships I'm still really strong.

2164
01:51:13,827 --> 01:51:16,467
Speaker 25: Everyone agreed me going on loan was the best thing

2165
01:51:16,547 --> 01:51:19,667
Speaker 25: for me and then hopefully it can potentially benefit Plymouth

2166
01:51:20,027 --> 01:51:20,987
Speaker 25: in the future.

2167
01:51:21,067 --> 01:51:23,147
Speaker 2: So yeah, so you've been playing in the UK for

2168
01:51:23,227 --> 01:51:24,667
Speaker 2: a while now, I've been there a couple of years.

2169
01:51:25,267 --> 01:51:29,107
Speaker 2: Is playing in the United Kingdom playing for Plymouth, Aurgal

2170
01:51:29,187 --> 01:51:31,427
Speaker 2: and Mansfield Town? Is it what you expect that it

2171
01:51:31,467 --> 01:51:31,747
Speaker 2: would be?

2172
01:51:33,067 --> 01:51:35,587
Speaker 25: Yeah, and and a lot more as well. I knew

2173
01:51:35,627 --> 01:51:37,547
Speaker 25: it was going to be absolute cardadge coming over here.

2174
01:51:38,027 --> 01:51:41,947
Speaker 25: The amount of games and and the level as well,

2175
01:51:42,027 --> 01:51:45,707
Speaker 25: it's it's different. The intensity is extremely high and sometimes

2176
01:51:45,747 --> 01:51:47,107
Speaker 25: it can be a bit like pimball as well.

2177
01:51:47,227 --> 01:51:50,467
Speaker 4: So getting used to that, I'm not gonna lie, it

2178
01:51:50,587 --> 01:51:50,867
Speaker 4: took me.

2179
01:51:51,227 --> 01:51:53,547
Speaker 25: It took me probably over a over a season and

2180
01:51:53,667 --> 01:51:55,427
Speaker 25: a bit to even get used to that, and then

2181
01:51:55,467 --> 01:51:59,787
Speaker 25: we jumped leagues, so it's it's been My whole time

2182
01:51:59,827 --> 01:52:02,507
Speaker 25: has been spent adapting and adapting. So now I feel

2183
01:52:02,547 --> 01:52:04,747
Speaker 25: like I'm at a place where I've learned some vital

2184
01:52:04,867 --> 01:52:07,227
Speaker 25: lessons in terms of how to adapt and what are

2185
01:52:07,267 --> 01:52:09,027
Speaker 25: the best things to do in these situations.

2186
01:52:09,107 --> 01:52:11,267
Speaker 4: So I think it's going to pay off.

2187
01:52:11,547 --> 01:52:13,987
Speaker 2: Good to hear back in with the national team now

2188
01:52:14,067 --> 01:52:16,347
Speaker 2: though for the next seven to ten days. I know

2189
01:52:16,427 --> 01:52:18,067
Speaker 2: you're looking forward to that. What's it like when you

2190
01:52:18,187 --> 01:52:20,907
Speaker 2: all get back together. You're all spread far and wide, now,

2191
01:52:20,987 --> 01:52:22,387
Speaker 2: what is it like when you come together in the

2192
01:52:22,467 --> 01:52:23,027
Speaker 2: national team.

2193
01:52:23,747 --> 01:52:27,067
Speaker 25: Oh, it's amazing. It's really really good as well, because

2194
01:52:27,707 --> 01:52:30,347
Speaker 25: you know, you've got points from the Phoenix that we've

2195
01:52:30,387 --> 01:52:32,587
Speaker 25: all gone our super ways now, you know. But I've

2196
01:52:32,707 --> 01:52:35,707
Speaker 25: played with those lads for a decent amount of time

2197
01:52:36,187 --> 01:52:37,707
Speaker 25: and to be able to see what they're doing and

2198
01:52:37,747 --> 01:52:41,027
Speaker 25: then come back together and play together again as special

2199
01:52:41,067 --> 01:52:44,667
Speaker 25: And yeah, I'm driving out tonight to go stay at

2200
01:52:44,707 --> 01:52:47,827
Speaker 25: their hotels. I'm looking forward to, looking forward to catching

2201
01:52:47,867 --> 01:52:49,107
Speaker 25: up with you run and when.

2202
01:52:49,027 --> 01:52:51,707
Speaker 2: You do get together, i'd imagine it's similar to any

2203
01:52:51,707 --> 01:52:53,507
Speaker 2: bunch of guys getting together who haven't seen each other

2204
01:52:53,547 --> 01:52:55,667
Speaker 2: for a while but spend time together. In a situation

2205
01:52:55,827 --> 01:52:57,187
Speaker 2: like this, do you just sort of slip back into

2206
01:52:57,227 --> 01:52:59,267
Speaker 2: the old the old banter, the old ways.

2207
01:53:00,067 --> 01:53:03,227
Speaker 25: Yeah, under saying, I think that's down to Sam Sun

2208
01:53:03,347 --> 01:53:07,267
Speaker 25: as well. He's straight on as soon as we're back together.

2209
01:53:08,587 --> 01:53:10,707
Speaker 25: So yeah, it's it's really good. That it's like that,

2210
01:53:11,107 --> 01:53:12,987
Speaker 25: you know, it's like we haven't been apart, so it's

2211
01:53:13,027 --> 01:53:13,387
Speaker 25: really good.

2212
01:53:13,627 --> 01:53:16,867
Speaker 2: So the last time was quite recently, actually a window

2213
01:53:16,947 --> 01:53:19,827
Speaker 2: which involved games against Mexico and the United States. The

2214
01:53:19,907 --> 01:53:23,067
Speaker 2: drawer against the US your goal later on talk us

2215
01:53:23,067 --> 01:53:23,387
Speaker 2: Throb It.

2216
01:53:25,467 --> 01:53:26,467
Speaker 4: Just a classy goal.

2217
01:53:26,547 --> 01:53:26,787
Speaker 12: Really.

2218
01:53:28,907 --> 01:53:32,427
Speaker 25: It was one of those ones that you're probably never

2219
01:53:32,507 --> 01:53:35,347
Speaker 25: ever going to score again, but just a result of

2220
01:53:35,827 --> 01:53:38,747
Speaker 25: putting players under pressure and a little bit of hard work,

2221
01:53:38,827 --> 01:53:40,587
Speaker 25: and you know sometimes you get those rewards. And the

2222
01:53:40,627 --> 01:53:42,787
Speaker 25: funny thing is, as soon as the defender kicked it

2223
01:53:42,827 --> 01:53:44,987
Speaker 25: into my chest, I just knew. I think you can

2224
01:53:44,987 --> 01:53:46,587
Speaker 25: see the video. I've run off with my hand up.

2225
01:53:46,907 --> 01:53:48,187
Speaker 25: As soon as it sent my chests, I've gone.

2226
01:53:49,187 --> 01:53:50,387
Speaker 4: But that's going in.

2227
01:53:50,587 --> 01:53:52,667
Speaker 25: And do you score some of those throughout a career

2228
01:53:52,707 --> 01:53:54,867
Speaker 25: and you take them one hundred percent? But I like

2229
01:53:54,907 --> 01:53:58,907
Speaker 25: to think it's also a result of grafting art results.

2230
01:53:59,147 --> 01:54:02,347
Speaker 2: Absolutely, but also all joking aside, do you take pride

2231
01:54:02,627 --> 01:54:04,987
Speaker 2: in having to be there because you know ninety nine

2232
01:54:04,987 --> 01:54:06,787
Speaker 2: times had one hundred You make that run and put

2233
01:54:06,827 --> 01:54:09,187
Speaker 2: pressure on the defender and nothing happens, right, they clear it,

2234
01:54:09,307 --> 01:54:11,947
Speaker 2: But thee hundredth of time it does so do you

2235
01:54:12,027 --> 01:54:15,067
Speaker 2: take pride in being in the right place and putting

2236
01:54:15,067 --> 01:54:16,547
Speaker 2: pressure on the opposition defenders?

2237
01:54:17,307 --> 01:54:21,227
Speaker 25: Yeah, exactly, And I think, to be fair, it's something

2238
01:54:21,307 --> 01:54:23,147
Speaker 25: that Chris Greenecker used to always tell me.

2239
01:54:23,307 --> 01:54:25,147
Speaker 4: It's not necessarily in that situation.

2240
01:54:25,267 --> 01:54:28,067
Speaker 25: He did not coach me in that situation, but more

2241
01:54:28,227 --> 01:54:30,867
Speaker 25: so just receiving the ball off across or whatever.

2242
01:54:31,947 --> 01:54:33,387
Speaker 4: Nine times out of ten, the ball's not going to

2243
01:54:33,427 --> 01:54:33,707
Speaker 4: come to you.

2244
01:54:33,827 --> 01:54:35,427
Speaker 25: But the time you don't make the movement or you

2245
01:54:35,787 --> 01:54:39,067
Speaker 25: do that action, you guarantee the ball's going to be there.

2246
01:54:39,147 --> 01:54:42,627
Speaker 25: So it's you know, it's just a matter of repetition

2247
01:54:42,747 --> 01:54:46,507
Speaker 25: and numbers and constantly doing it. And yeah, law of averages,

2248
01:54:46,547 --> 01:54:47,587
Speaker 25: I guess is the best way to put it.

2249
01:54:47,787 --> 01:54:50,667
Speaker 2: Indeed, when you're inside ther Whites camp in how much

2250
01:54:50,987 --> 01:54:53,227
Speaker 2: help and assistance and guidance and advice do you get

2251
01:54:53,267 --> 01:54:53,947
Speaker 2: from Chris Wood?

2252
01:54:55,307 --> 01:54:59,667
Speaker 25: Yeah, I get a decent amount, to be fair, He's

2253
01:54:59,747 --> 01:55:02,467
Speaker 25: just really open person in terms of, you know, you

2254
01:55:02,547 --> 01:55:05,267
Speaker 25: can feel comfortable to go and ask him about certain situations,

2255
01:55:05,987 --> 01:55:07,747
Speaker 25: which I do. I don't piss him all the time,

2256
01:55:07,867 --> 01:55:10,587
Speaker 25: don't get me wrong, but if something comes to mind

2257
01:55:10,707 --> 01:55:13,587
Speaker 25: or he sees something, then he will say it, But yeah,

2258
01:55:13,907 --> 01:55:16,147
Speaker 25: I like to have that relationship with him where I

2259
01:55:16,227 --> 01:55:19,067
Speaker 25: know I can ask him for advice when I need

2260
01:55:19,107 --> 01:55:21,347
Speaker 25: it and he keeps in contact as well, which is

2261
01:55:21,427 --> 01:55:21,947
Speaker 25: really nice.

2262
01:55:22,387 --> 01:55:25,227
Speaker 2: So the path to the next World Cup is, on

2263
01:55:25,347 --> 01:55:27,267
Speaker 2: the face of the things anyway, a lot more straightforward

2264
01:55:27,387 --> 01:55:31,307
Speaker 2: for New Zealand a direct entry for Oceania or the

2265
01:55:31,387 --> 01:55:33,827
Speaker 2: winner of the Oceania competition into the next World Cup

2266
01:55:34,187 --> 01:55:36,187
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty six. So as I say, that seems

2267
01:55:36,187 --> 01:55:39,947
Speaker 2: a lot more straightforward. And you know, I guess most

2268
01:55:39,987 --> 01:55:43,027
Speaker 2: people would expect you to account for the other Oceanian

2269
01:55:43,107 --> 01:55:46,387
Speaker 2: nations fairly comfortably. How do you avoid complacency though, you know,

2270
01:55:46,507 --> 01:55:48,427
Speaker 2: not just expecting to turn up and win these games.

2271
01:55:48,667 --> 01:55:51,747
Speaker 25: Yeah, that's a very good question and I think the

2272
01:55:51,787 --> 01:55:53,587
Speaker 25: best way to look at it is what we did

2273
01:55:53,667 --> 01:55:54,667
Speaker 25: at the Nation's Cup.

2274
01:55:56,027 --> 01:55:56,987
Speaker 4: You could have seen it as well.

2275
01:55:57,107 --> 01:56:00,387
Speaker 25: There wasn't other than a trophy, There was no qualifying

2276
01:56:00,507 --> 01:56:02,147
Speaker 25: or anything off the back of that. But I think

2277
01:56:02,187 --> 01:56:05,187
Speaker 25: the way we handled ourselves in terms of every game,

2278
01:56:05,267 --> 01:56:07,147
Speaker 25: we try to keep ours standards as high as we could,

2279
01:56:08,307 --> 01:56:10,427
Speaker 25: never let up and just continued to go and go

2280
01:56:10,547 --> 01:56:13,067
Speaker 25: and go, and just made sure that we held ourselves accountable.

2281
01:56:14,427 --> 01:56:16,507
Speaker 4: I think that was the biggest thing, and you saw

2282
01:56:16,547 --> 01:56:17,067
Speaker 4: what happened.

2283
01:56:17,107 --> 01:56:18,467
Speaker 25: So look, I'm not going to say it's going to

2284
01:56:18,507 --> 01:56:22,587
Speaker 25: be easy and we're going to go and we're gonna win,

2285
01:56:22,747 --> 01:56:25,347
Speaker 25: but obviously you would like to think so. But the

2286
01:56:25,387 --> 01:56:27,667
Speaker 25: biggest thing is we've we've done it before and we

2287
01:56:27,787 --> 01:56:30,387
Speaker 25: know what what we have to do. I think that, Yeah,

2288
01:56:30,427 --> 01:56:31,787
Speaker 25: I think that's probably the biggest point.

2289
01:56:32,067 --> 01:56:33,707
Speaker 2: Of course, you're beating in the Olympic Games as well.

2290
01:56:33,787 --> 01:56:35,507
Speaker 2: You played for New Zealand at the recent Olympics and

2291
01:56:35,587 --> 01:56:38,147
Speaker 2: Paris scored the winner against Guinea. That was a goal

2292
01:56:38,227 --> 01:56:40,707
Speaker 2: that was much more your your own work. How do

2293
01:56:40,747 --> 01:56:42,947
Speaker 2: you reflect back on the Olympic campaign with New Zealand.

2294
01:56:43,747 --> 01:56:46,547
Speaker 25: Yeah, it was it was awesome and a great start.

2295
01:56:46,627 --> 01:56:49,227
Speaker 25: I mean, obviously the score is always amazing. There was

2296
01:56:49,267 --> 01:56:52,067
Speaker 25: something I really wanted to take off a goal at

2297
01:56:52,067 --> 01:56:54,267
Speaker 25: the Olympics. But obviously a bit of a shame in

2298
01:56:54,427 --> 01:56:56,667
Speaker 25: terms of we couldn't get out of the group. But

2299
01:56:56,787 --> 01:56:59,667
Speaker 25: we came up against some really really good opposition. But

2300
01:56:59,947 --> 01:57:01,347
Speaker 25: at the end of the day it wasn't meant to be.

2301
01:57:01,707 --> 01:57:03,787
Speaker 25: But it was just nice to also have that have

2302
01:57:03,907 --> 01:57:07,227
Speaker 25: that responsibility to be that strike that's leading the line

2303
01:57:07,227 --> 01:57:10,067
Speaker 25: as well. I think I really enjoyed having that kind of.

2304
01:57:10,107 --> 01:57:10,667
Speaker 4: Role on the team.

2305
01:57:10,947 --> 01:57:13,667
Speaker 2: Fantastic. Well, it's an exciting time ahead for fans of

2306
01:57:13,667 --> 01:57:15,667
Speaker 2: New Zealand football and for the players i'm sure as well,

2307
01:57:15,707 --> 01:57:19,867
Speaker 2: with the World Cup qualification path to begin this coming Friday. Ben,

2308
01:57:19,907 --> 01:57:23,507
Speaker 2: travel safe to more the side of the world. Look

2309
01:57:23,507 --> 01:57:24,907
Speaker 2: forward to seeing you over here. Thanks for taking the

2310
01:57:24,947 --> 01:57:27,307
Speaker 2: time for a chat. Awesome, Thanks plady, Thanks Ben, Ben

2311
01:57:27,347 --> 01:57:31,307
Speaker 2: waying there from the All Whites game on Friday against

2312
01:57:31,587 --> 01:57:35,827
Speaker 2: Tahiti in Vanuatu and then the friendly against Malaysia in

2313
01:57:35,867 --> 01:57:38,747
Speaker 2: Auckland on Monday, and then games in November and Hamilton

2314
01:57:38,827 --> 01:57:42,147
Speaker 2: and Auckland against Vanowa to and some more respectively. Ticket

2315
01:57:42,187 --> 01:57:44,627
Speaker 2: price is yeah, pretty cheap twenty bucks for adults, five

2316
01:57:44,707 --> 01:57:48,547
Speaker 2: for kids plus ticketing fees so pretty accessible really nine

2317
01:57:48,587 --> 01:57:51,347
Speaker 2: to three Back to Trafalgar Park on gold Sport.

2318
01:57:51,227 --> 01:57:53,947
Speaker 27: Molly, no throz and sale down near the back of

2319
01:57:54,027 --> 01:57:57,307
Speaker 27: the line. Out takes it rolling more. It's been smuggled

2320
01:57:57,347 --> 01:58:00,307
Speaker 27: back to Molly a couple of tries this season. Now,

2321
01:58:00,467 --> 01:58:03,147
Speaker 27: Christy's got it rolling well, going nowhere right running ball

2322
01:58:03,267 --> 01:58:06,107
Speaker 27: David Harveli to William harvellly puts the cross kick in.

2323
01:58:06,467 --> 01:58:07,867
Speaker 27: It's taken by the right wing.

2324
01:58:07,987 --> 01:58:10,387
Speaker 30: It great, who's gonna score.

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Speaker 2: In the right wing corner?

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Speaker 24: Jack Gray try number six?

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Speaker 2: Friends up mate, Yeah, So finally Tasman are into the

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Speaker 2: game well with a try anyway, their first try of

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Speaker 2: the contest. That was after thirty seven minutes. Josh Jacob though,

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Speaker 2: did kick a penalty just before halftime, so at the

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Speaker 2: break it's Taranaki twenty three Tasman eight. So I better

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Speaker 2: work to do for the Tasman muckel in the second

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Speaker 2: half if they had to hold onto the ran Furley

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