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Speaker 2: News Talk said, b.

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Speaker 3: A, he just overcooked it, just slightly overcooked it. Good morning,

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Speaker 3: New Zealand, welcome to news Talks. He'd be Jack Taye

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Speaker 3: with you through the midday. Got as got my eyes

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Speaker 3: on the Formula one sprint qualifying in Miami, and yeah,

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Speaker 3: Liam Lawson has just made a little mistake in sprint

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Speaker 3: qualifying to this morning, so he's been eliminated basically going

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Speaker 3: into a corner slightly too hot. Just had to do

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Speaker 3: the thing where slammed on the brakes, went too wide

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Speaker 3: I think in sprint qualifying. So he made it through

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Speaker 3: the second round of sprint qualifying, ah, but won't be

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Speaker 3: progressing any further for the sprint race in Miami this weekend.

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Speaker 3: So a bit of a shame there. Looks like his

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Speaker 3: teammatee Isaac Hadjar did just qualify. He's currently sitting in

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Speaker 3: tenth going into sprint qualifying three. Anyway, I'll keep you

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Speaker 3: up to speed. Ha see what I did. There were

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Speaker 3: the very latest out of Miami, as Formula one continues

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Speaker 3: this morning, and we have a big show for you.

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Speaker 3: So nineteen eighty was the you might remember this that

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Speaker 3: six men stormed the Iranian embassy in London. They took

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Speaker 3: twenty six people hostage, and the whole thing played out

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Speaker 3: in front of the world. There were extraordinary scenes as

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Speaker 3: the British Sas stormed the embassy and attempted to free

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Speaker 3: the hostages. After ten o'clock this morning, our feature interview

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Speaker 3: is an author who usually focuses on spy novels, so

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Speaker 3: writing fiction. His name is Ben McIntyre and he's written

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Speaker 3: this increase compelling story and a piece of nonfiction journalism

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Speaker 3: about the Iranian embassy Seed. She's going to be with

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Speaker 3: us after ten to give us all of the details,

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Speaker 3: so many little bits of information that have never been

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Speaker 3: those with you before ten o'clock. If you are looking

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Speaker 3: for a bit of a sweet treat this weekend, a

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Speaker 3: best names in the business. Drunken bananas hmm, boozy Drunken

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Speaker 3: Bananas is our recipe of the week that we will

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Speaker 3: easy to make if you haven't been to the supermarket lately.

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Speaker 3: You just got a few bits and bobs lying around

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Speaker 3: the house, So we'll give you it to you very shortly.

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Speaker 3: Right now, it's nine minutes past.

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Speaker 1: Nine, Jack Team.

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Speaker 3: Honestly, I was kind of I was taken aback by

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Speaker 3: It's amazing how time creeps up on you like that.

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Speaker 3: You know, one minute you're at Grandma and Granddad's place

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Speaker 3: you're going through Granddad's draws picking him a bag of

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Speaker 3: his most precious possessions, and the next you realize it's

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Speaker 3: three years since you even drove down his street. State

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Speaker 3: Highway One was an absolute shocker, a shocker. I was

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Speaker 3: Rolliston Dunsandal, Rakaiah. The storm was fierce. There was surface

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Speaker 3: a lot of prosperity to mid Canterbury, but not so

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Speaker 3: much on Grandad's street. His place was an old state

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Speaker 3: At home, our parents didn't really put salt in our food,

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Speaker 3: in that house for fifty five years. He raised his

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Speaker 3: I came round the corner, the rain was pelting the windscreen.

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Speaker 3: It took just a moment to get my bearings. The

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Speaker 3: the flowers at the front had all been ripped out.

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Speaker 3: but the us was still there. Tired, yeah, but still there.

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Speaker 3: Nothing lasts forever. I can't say with certainty when I'll

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Speaker 3: come around that corner and Granddad's place will be gone too.

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Speaker 3: Jack Team, it's ninety two, ninety two. If you want

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Speaker 3: standard text cost supply. You know that we're going to

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Speaker 3: catch up with our sport. I very shortly get his

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Speaker 3: thoughts on that Blues performance last night, the Warriors chances

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Speaker 3: this evening as the A League regular season comes to

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Speaker 3: an end. Next up, though, Kevin Milner is here with

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Speaker 3: his thoughts and memories of Sir Bob Jones. Right now,

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Speaker 3: it's fourteen minutes past nine, It's Saturday morning. I'm Jack Tame.

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Speaker 3: This is news Dog's Edby.

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Speaker 1: It's no better way to kick off your weekend then

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Speaker 3: Hey if your message, Jack, so many memories for us,

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Speaker 3: All of news Yland had its finest Cislin. Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: mean it is. It's always funny. You get kind of nostalgic,

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Speaker 3: don't you looking back. I mean just look just look

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Speaker 3: just remember as the kid, it was fast like Grandad's section.

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Speaker 3: Just felt so big. Yeah, you can kind of get lost.

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Speaker 3: It just meant that Hide and Seek was always so

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Speaker 3: much better, you know. Anyway, ninety ninety two, if you

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Speaker 3: tell me if you drive that stretches stay I one

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Speaker 3: more regularly than I do between ash Vegas and christ Church,

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Speaker 3: tell me, please assure me that the potholes aren't usually

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Speaker 3: obviously there's been so much rain, right so those potholes

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Speaker 3: Kevin Milne is with us this morning, Kelder Kevin Jack.

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Speaker 4: I've got very warm memories of Asberton as well. My

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Speaker 3: Wow, really was that?

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Speaker 4: They were playing some Canterbury side with the MCC side

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Speaker 4: with glittering names. Yes, touring New Zealand and Ashburton was

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah four day game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, how good. The Eshburton Domain A, it's a

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Speaker 3: that probably wouldn't pass the health and safety laws these days.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Jack, As you know, when you work in television,

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Speaker 4: who died yesterday. One review of a Fairgo story i'd done,

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Speaker 4: I've kept. It's a bit of a classic. It refers

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Speaker 4: up to the Court of Appeal and Fairgo won it

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Speaker 4: that Bob didn't like it. Bob's review was lengthy, and

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Speaker 4: here is just some of the lines from it. It

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Speaker 4: appeared in Wellington's Dominion newspaper headlined would you buy a

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Speaker 4: Fairgo used car? Story? It begins one of the worst

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Speaker 4: examples of defamatory television journalism abuse I have ever heard,

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Speaker 4: shamelessly ignorant and grossly unfair. According to the smug mediocrates

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Speaker 4: who present this show, this was an example of moral

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Speaker 4: Fairgo knows nothing about commercial practice. According to these buffoons,

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Speaker 4: this was a one off revelation.

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Speaker 2: That they discovered.

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Speaker 4: It was a disgrace. It was unjust, ignorant, unbalanced, defamatory

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Speaker 4: in one word, sleazy. The program has a lack of

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Speaker 4: It's garbage. This program should be closed down smartly. Anyway,

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Speaker 4: that was way back in nineteen eighty eight and Fairgo

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Speaker 4: to know and quite enjoyed so, but I had some months.

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Speaker 4: If you remembered the review, he said he didn't, but

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Speaker 4: Bob Jones will be remembered as a terrific writer. Jack

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Speaker 4: Wellington already feels all the more gray for its Patsy.

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Speaker 3: I can tell you that similarly, Bob Jones was no

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Speaker 3: great fan of mine. However, I actually had I actually

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much for your messages this morning, Peter says, Hi, Jack,

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Speaker 3: Few messes, Jack, regarding potholes, Sorry, but there's absolutely nothing new.

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Speaker 3: Oh ah, that's gorgeous, isn't it? That voice? My goodness,

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Speaker 3: Cold to Francisca, good on. You have been to see

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Speaker 11: You know, I don't want that, but she kind of

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Speaker 11: recognized that probably, you know, for artists, it's really interesting

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Speaker 11: watching the creative process.

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Speaker 7: But if you want to engage people in a film

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Speaker 7: and a broad audience in.

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Speaker 11: A film, it has to be there has to be

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Speaker 11: an element of kind of entertainment there. So she's done

435
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Speaker 11: this really amazing job.

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Speaker 7: I think of.

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Speaker 11: At first putting Malon Williams into context. So at the

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Speaker 11: beginning of the film we kind of cover off his

439
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Speaker 11: career to date, his personal journey.

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Speaker 7: But along the way we.

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Speaker 11: Return to see his family home and hear about his upbringing,

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Speaker 11: and hear about his parents and he was very close to.

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Speaker 7: And the influence that they had on him.

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Speaker 11: And then he's kind of in his early thirties and

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Speaker 11: he talks a lot about the fact that touring has

446
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Speaker 11: already taken a toll on him, and the nature of

447
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Speaker 11: life is very transient, and I think in a way

448
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Speaker 11: he wanted to ground himself, even though he knows that

449
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Speaker 11: his life may not lead him to sort of, you know,

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Speaker 11: living a very grounded life.

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Speaker 7: That's kind of where.

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Speaker 11: He goes on this journey. I think the music is

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Speaker 11: wonderful in this film. The cinematography gives this journey gravitas

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Speaker 11: and beauty.

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Speaker 7: The editing, though, I think is really excellent. You know, they've.

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Speaker 11: Created a very pacy, engaging film. They keep the energy up,

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Speaker 11: they get the right amount of music and heard the

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Speaker 11: right amount of talk, the right amount of just observation

459
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Speaker 11: and things. So I think it's a very thoughtful, beautiful

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Speaker 11: film that's going to really appeal to fans. And as

461
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Speaker 11: you know, I'm a huge fan of Marlon's beautiful voice.

462
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Speaker 11: But he's got this massive international audience, so I think

463
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Speaker 11: we'll be fascinated to learn a lot more about him,

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Speaker 11: and then then there's all these people who are going

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Speaker 11: to be introduced to him as well.

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Speaker 7: So yeah, no, I was. I thought I found a

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Speaker 7: really moving experience.

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Speaker 5: What did film?

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Speaker 3: Oh great? I cannot wait to see it. It sounds fantastic. Okay,

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Speaker 3: So it's Marlon Williams a which means two worlds. Next up,

471
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Speaker 3: something commletely different, a new all star Marvel movie. Let's

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Speaker 3: have a little bit of a listen to Thunderbolts.

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Speaker 12: Let's talk facts.

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Speaker 1: The Avengers are not cunning?

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Speaker 3: Who will keep the American people?

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Speaker 2: See? Ay, you got some pleasing to me. I love

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Speaker 2: that guy.

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Speaker 3: Okay, there its Thunderbolts. Since Marl tell us about it,

479
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Speaker 3: Reggie's good.

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Speaker 11: So this is another film in the Phase five sort

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Speaker 11: of period of Marvel cinematic universe. So these are films

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Speaker 11: and TV shows that have been released between twenty twenty

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Speaker 11: three and twenty twenty five middle of this year.

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Speaker 7: But to be honest with you, it's kind of been

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Speaker 7: a bit of a mixed bunch. There's been The Ant

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Speaker 7: Man and the Wasp, Quantum Mania, there was The Gardians

487
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Speaker 7: of the Galaxy.

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Speaker 11: There was a Captain America film, Brave New World that

489
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Speaker 11: was released in mid February that no one knows about.

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Speaker 11: They didn't screen it. There was doesn't seem to be

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Speaker 11: any hype about it. No one really knew about it.

492
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Speaker 11: I don't know how well it's doing it at the cinemas.

493
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Speaker 11: I'm sure that you know, there's been a bit of

494
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Speaker 11: word abouth around it. But it's really interesting at the

495
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Speaker 11: moment with Marvel that they're not making any huge efforts

496
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Speaker 11: to show these films, to screen them to you know,

497
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Speaker 11: to promote them in that way. Normally they would have

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Speaker 11: a screening for us. It might only be a couple

499
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Speaker 11: of days before, but they'd be building the hype.

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Speaker 7: They want people to promote it, talk about it.

501
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Speaker 11: And Thunderbolts kind of came out of the blue as well.

502
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Speaker 11: It's like, oh, here's another Marvel film, but no one's

503
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Speaker 11: talking about that.

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Speaker 7: They're not promoting it. Really, there's not a lot of

505
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Speaker 7: hyphen It's like, why not because this one isn't too bad?

506
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Speaker 11: Because because when they don't do screenings, Jack immediately you go, oh,

507
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Speaker 11: it's no good, and that's generally in the past why

508
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Speaker 11: studios don't do screenings.

509
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Speaker 7: But look, this one's okay.

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Speaker 11: It as dressed up as a breath of free share

511
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Speaker 11: but turns out to be a pretty predictable Marvel flick

512
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Speaker 11: I did enjoy that.

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Speaker 7: It's a bit edgy, there's a darkness to it. There's

514
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Speaker 7: an existential crisis.

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Speaker 11: They are trying to put some substance into this film.

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Speaker 11: I don't know where the younger audience is already going

517
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Speaker 11: to watch all their heroes have existential crisis, but you know,

518
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Speaker 11: maybe it will appeal. We've got a bunch of heroes

519
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Speaker 11: who are actually anti heroes. They're kind of like failed

520
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Speaker 11: heroes who clean up the messes in the background. They're

521
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Speaker 11: not front facing, as they say in the film. They're

522
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Speaker 11: the kind of hugely disposable ones in the background who

523
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Speaker 11: are very talented at what they do, but they don't

524
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Speaker 11: have the kind of the glory roles and things. And

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Speaker 11: Florence Pugh leads the bunch here, and she's absolutely excellent.

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Speaker 11: She's fantastic. She really drives us. She plays Jelena, who

527
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Speaker 11: is the black widow's sister. You've got White Russell in there,

528
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Speaker 11: who's John Walker. David Harbor plays her father, a Lexi.

529
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Speaker 7: He's in there as well.

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Speaker 11: They're drained by the ghost Taskmaster and also Sebastian stands

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Speaker 11: Bucky and they all kind of come together. They find

532
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Speaker 11: themselves in this room. They're all sent on missions to

533
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Speaker 11: annihilate each other. They realize that their boss, Valentina, is

534
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Speaker 11: trying to get rid of them all. So they all

535
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Speaker 11: team up together kind of come back to the real

536
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Speaker 11: world and realize that Valentina has most accidentally created this

537
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Speaker 11: godlike superhero who has the potential to take over the world.

538
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Speaker 11: But it's a very lonely, not very stable, unhappy man

539
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Speaker 11: who actually becomes a bit of a baddie, and so

540
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Speaker 11: they all sort.

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Speaker 7: Of come together to try and prevent him.

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Speaker 5: The story in the world.

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Speaker 11: So it starts off really interesting, Jack, and you're going, oh,

544
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Speaker 11: I love this, Yeah, I love the fact that they're

545
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Speaker 11: all a bit different in it, and they're not you know,

546
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Speaker 11: call them perfect and everything. But then it kind of

547
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Speaker 11: folds into the second half. It kind of action wise

548
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Speaker 11: and story wise, it kind of becomes a pretty predictable

549
00:29:19,093 --> 00:29:21,213
Speaker 11: Marvel flick, not as funny as it could have been.

550
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Speaker 11: I think there was actually too much banter between the cast.

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Speaker 11: It really wasn't needed. You do become fond of them

552
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Speaker 11: by the end of the film. I mean, I think

553
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Speaker 11: there'll be another one, and if they can keep surrounding

554
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Speaker 11: Florence Pugh with some good people and maybe just shorten

555
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Speaker 11: out and sharpen up the script a bit, then actually

556
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Speaker 11: this this particular branch of the franchise might fly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, well, yeah, it's not for me if I'm

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Speaker 3: on a hundred percent of a franchise, But you know what,

559
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Speaker 3: I'm sure it will still do all right at the

560
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Speaker 3: box office. They don't usually lose a whole lot of

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Speaker 3: money these Marvel films, which tells us why there are

562
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Speaker 3: so many Thank you. So that's Thunderbolts and Marlon Williams

563
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Speaker 3: our or is the first film franchise could hold us

564
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Speaker 3: about two worlds. Desiree just flip me not to say Jack,

565
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Speaker 3: I saw the Malam Williams docco yesterday, absolutely stunning. His

566
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Speaker 3: voice is perfect for singing Interdi or Maudi. What a

567
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Speaker 3: beautiful soul. And then Desiree uswe wrote this, she said, swoon.

568
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Speaker 3: I'm sure you're not the only one feeling that way, Jack.

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Speaker 3: Marlon can sound very Elvis, like when Elvis is singing ballads. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: there is something the richness of his voice that has

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Speaker 3: that quality. A ninety two ninety two If you want

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Speaker 3: to send us a message this morning, right now, it's

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Speaker 3: sixteen to.

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Speaker 1: Ten Saturday mornings with Jack Day keeping the conversation going

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Speaker 2: News Talk sa'd be I.

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Speaker 3: Tell you what if that Marlon Williams film has kind

579
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Speaker 3: of got you in the mood for New Zealand musical

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Speaker 3: documentaries good news. After ten o'clock this morning, in our

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Speaker 3: screen time segment, we're going to tell you a bit

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Speaker 3: about this new TV show called Choir Games that follows

583
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Speaker 3: two different choirs right competing in the Choir Games, two

584
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Speaker 3: very different choirs, people from very different lives, So one

585
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Speaker 3: is from New York City, the other is from Kaitaia,

586
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Speaker 3: and the whole series kind of plots the characters in

587
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Speaker 3: these two choirs and the worlds that they come from

588
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Speaker 3: coming together to compete in the Choir Games. It's such

589
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Speaker 3: a lovely idea. So anyway, we're going to tell you

590
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Speaker 3: about that show after ten o'clock in our screen time

591
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Speaker 3: segment this morning right now, though it is thirteen minutes

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Speaker 3: to ten. Very much looking forward to this week's recipe,

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Speaker 3: Nikki Wax reckons that this is one of the easiest

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Speaker 3: recipes possible. It's a perfect recipe for when you don't

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Speaker 3: have much or anything in the house, and it has

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Speaker 3: one of the best names in the game drunken bananas,

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Speaker 3: Nikki drunken bananas. Yes, I just love this.

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Speaker 13: I have been making this dessert since I reckon I

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Speaker 13: was about fourteen and babysitting, and when you were babysitting,

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Speaker 13: people always had sugar butter bananas in the house and

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Speaker 13: perhaps a little bit of booze. Now I didn't drink

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Speaker 13: booze at that age, but I would put a little

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Speaker 13: splash of their brandy or rum in these because I'd

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Speaker 13: seen Mum do it with crapesyzets, etc. And it is

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Speaker 13: just the ball. It is one of those things that

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Speaker 13: you know if you don't have. So The background to

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Speaker 13: me bringing you this recipe this week is I was

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Speaker 13: up in Kaitaia last week, or actually just out of

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Speaker 13: there at a hipata, hence my absence on the show,

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Speaker 13: and I was cooking for a bunch of wonderful surfing

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Speaker 13: women and I hadn't planned to do boozy bananas. But

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Speaker 13: on the way to the venue there was Honestly, I

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Speaker 13: felt like maybe I'd gotten lost and ended up in

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Speaker 13: Thailand or somewhere, because there was this roadside stool selling

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Speaker 13: bananas and I was like, excuse me.

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Speaker 2: Where I mean?

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Speaker 3: I just think it is the only part of the

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Speaker 3: country where they can grow bananas. Yeah, it is.

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Speaker 13: It is because it's warm and subtropical enough. So I

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Speaker 13: brought some bananas. But not only did I do it,

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Speaker 13: but the other nine people on the retreat also all

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Speaker 13: did the same because as they came past the so

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Speaker 13: we had a lot of bananas. So I decided, okay,

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Speaker 13: self sourcing, putting no caramelized, boozy, drunken bananas years and

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Speaker 13: everybody loved it. And this is why, because within ten

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Speaker 13: minutes you have got this on the table from start

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Speaker 13: to finish. So look, I peel and slice the bananas

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Speaker 13: into about two to three six slices. You kind of

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Speaker 13: want them to stay quite big so they don't get

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Speaker 13: too mushy, and you want probably a banana and a.

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Speaker 7: Bit for each person.

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Speaker 13: So four people, four large bananas. These were little, kind

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Speaker 13: of lady fingers, so we did a few more. You

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Speaker 13: want to melt say three tablespoons of butter and four

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Speaker 13: tablespoons of brown sugar in a pan, and just do

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Speaker 13: that until it starts to bubble, which is just a

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Speaker 13: few minutes, and you don't want to let it go

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Speaker 13: too far. Squeeze in the juice of a lemon. It

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Speaker 13: kind of just tempers that kind of sugariness. Jack like,

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Speaker 13: we want these to be carameized, but sometimes it can

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Speaker 13: be a bit cloying, and a little pinch of salt

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Speaker 13: is great bringing in that kind of salted caramel element.

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Speaker 13: I suppose throw your bananas in the pan after that

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Speaker 13: sauce is kind of bubbling away, and then cook it

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Speaker 13: until they are softened but definitely not mushy. And these

646
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Speaker 13: particular little lady fingers from up in Northland were just

647
00:34:03,173 --> 00:34:06,013
Speaker 13: perfect because they tend to be just a little bit

648
00:34:06,133 --> 00:34:09,853
Speaker 13: hard in the middle, which was perfect for this dish.

649
00:34:10,053 --> 00:34:13,333
Speaker 13: You can add three tablespoons or a splash or whatever

650
00:34:13,413 --> 00:34:17,293
Speaker 13: of brandy or rum or the host. For us it

651
00:34:17,373 --> 00:34:21,533
Speaker 13: had macedamia rum, which was absolutely amazing. I don't know

652
00:34:21,573 --> 00:34:24,053
Speaker 13: how that worked, but it was amazing, and let the

653
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Speaker 13: sauce bubble away fro another one to two minutes. Essentially

654
00:34:26,293 --> 00:34:29,013
Speaker 13: you're cooking off the alcohol to that so it's safe

655
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Speaker 13: for kids, et cetera. Safe serve these caramelized bananas and

656
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Speaker 13: little bowls or glasses. I put a dollop of either

657
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Speaker 13: softly whipped cream, although that tends to disappear quite quickly.

658
00:34:40,413 --> 00:34:43,453
Speaker 13: You can have a ball of ice cream, or sour

659
00:34:43,573 --> 00:34:46,173
Speaker 13: cream is a really great one. Again, you don't often

660
00:34:46,213 --> 00:34:48,013
Speaker 13: have fresh cream, or you might not have fresh cream

661
00:34:48,053 --> 00:34:51,053
Speaker 13: in the house, but sour cream with just maybe a

662
00:34:51,093 --> 00:34:53,573
Speaker 13: teaspoon of brown sugar in it is just the most

663
00:34:53,613 --> 00:34:57,333
Speaker 13: amazing flavor. And you'll find that that doesn't kind of

664
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Speaker 13: disappear so quickly with the heat of the bananas, and

665
00:35:00,213 --> 00:35:02,853
Speaker 13: it's it's just divide. Yeah, And it's one of those

666
00:35:02,853 --> 00:35:04,773
Speaker 13: desserts Jack where people think you've got.

667
00:35:04,613 --> 00:35:06,893
Speaker 7: To an awful lot of trouble Heavens.

668
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Speaker 3: Yeah, everybody loves that. It just looks amazing. I reckon

669
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Speaker 3: not I reckon serving this with a little scoop of

670
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Speaker 3: hokey pokey ice cream. Actually, you know, just because the

671
00:35:16,013 --> 00:35:18,253
Speaker 3: hockey poke it ward would work with the kind of caramelization,

672
00:35:18,373 --> 00:35:20,613
Speaker 3: don't you think, just as a little and it gives

673
00:35:20,653 --> 00:35:22,853
Speaker 3: you a little crunch as well, just a little crunch

674
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Speaker 3: going off with the softness of the bananas.

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Speaker 14: Oh.

676
00:35:25,333 --> 00:35:27,093
Speaker 13: I love that ideas.

677
00:35:27,733 --> 00:35:28,853
Speaker 7: Or maybe some little you.

678
00:35:28,813 --> 00:35:30,773
Speaker 13: Know, toffee nuts or something like that.

679
00:35:31,373 --> 00:35:32,893
Speaker 7: And hey, look, I've got a sister.

680
00:35:32,693 --> 00:35:35,613
Speaker 13: In law who's from Martinique and she does the same thing,

681
00:35:35,653 --> 00:35:38,053
Speaker 13: but with pineapple, and she puts a little bit of

682
00:35:38,053 --> 00:35:40,573
Speaker 13: all spice and cinnamon in it as well. She flaes

683
00:35:40,613 --> 00:35:43,413
Speaker 13: off little slices of pineapple exactly the same sort of

684
00:35:43,453 --> 00:35:47,493
Speaker 13: other ingredients. And it's also really amazing. So it's very tropical,

685
00:35:47,493 --> 00:35:50,933
Speaker 13: it's very yummy. It's very warming for winter, these kind

686
00:35:50,933 --> 00:35:52,253
Speaker 13: of cooler nights we're started to get.

687
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Speaker 3: So, you know, you got a sister in law from Martinique.

688
00:35:55,373 --> 00:35:57,213
Speaker 13: I've got a sister in law from Martinique, you know.

689
00:35:58,933 --> 00:36:00,973
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, that's she.

690
00:36:00,933 --> 00:36:04,253
Speaker 13: Went Martinique, France, New Zealand met my sister and there

691
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Speaker 13: you go, Mary Heaven.

692
00:36:06,653 --> 00:36:08,293
Speaker 3: That's amazing. Okay, yeah, so.

693
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Speaker 7: She lives there.

694
00:36:10,733 --> 00:36:11,533
Speaker 2: They live in New Zealand.

695
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Speaker 13: And when when she made this with pineapple, I was

696
00:36:14,253 --> 00:36:16,653
Speaker 13: a bit like pineapple as you did that. It was

697
00:36:16,693 --> 00:36:19,373
Speaker 13: amazing and great with a little bit of all spice

698
00:36:19,413 --> 00:36:22,093
Speaker 13: and cinnamon. It's now one of my dad's favorite desserts too,

699
00:36:22,093 --> 00:36:22,853
Speaker 13: with the pineapples.

700
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they do, you know if they speak, they still

701
00:36:26,253 --> 00:36:29,173
Speaker 3: still speak French and Martinique or is it oh.

702
00:36:29,133 --> 00:36:29,853
Speaker 7: I could ask you that.

703
00:36:29,893 --> 00:36:32,653
Speaker 2: I mean and French of course, obviously.

704
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Speaker 3: I think they use the Euro. I feel like they

705
00:36:35,973 --> 00:36:38,133
Speaker 3: use the Europe because it's like a yeah, it's always

706
00:36:38,133 --> 00:36:40,053
Speaker 3: hard to keep up with exactly what the status of

707
00:36:40,093 --> 00:36:42,973
Speaker 3: the you know, you know, because what they called the

708
00:36:43,013 --> 00:36:45,973
Speaker 3: French antils, right yeah, yeah.

709
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Speaker 13: Yeah, absolutely.

710
00:36:47,373 --> 00:36:49,253
Speaker 3: Oh look I'm going to ask some of those questions.

711
00:36:49,973 --> 00:36:51,013
Speaker 13: I should know those things.

712
00:36:51,093 --> 00:36:54,133
Speaker 3: Okay, very good, Well, yeah, thank you so much. We'll

713
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Speaker 3: make sure that amazing sounding recipe for drunken bananas is up.

714
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Speaker 3: On the news talks, he'd be website, the easiest place

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Speaker 1: Giving you the inside scoop on all you need to

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Speaker 1: us Saturday Mornings with Jack Tam and Bepure dot co

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Speaker 2: That'd be Jack.

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Speaker 3: You haven't seen potholes until you drive these secondary roads

722
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Speaker 3: in Australia, says Ian on the text machine. Look, that's

723
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Speaker 3: probably true. And the problem was I mean, look, I

724
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Speaker 3: just I don't want to overblow it too much because

725
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Speaker 3: it was like a really bad storm. I think what

726
00:37:28,253 --> 00:37:29,853
Speaker 3: did they say christ Church had that it was the

727
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Speaker 3: fourth most rain recorded in a twenty four hour period

728
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Speaker 3: in christ Church ever in recorded history, Right, and obviously

729
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Speaker 3: in Selwyn, kind of just south of christ Church, I

730
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Speaker 3: think it was a whole lot worse. So clearly that's

731
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Speaker 3: going to have some impact. But my point was that

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Speaker 3: with the potholes that I was driving along on State

733
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Speaker 3: Hoe one, some of them had to have already been

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Speaker 3: there for a while. That was so that was so

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Speaker 3: big and so deep. Perhaps I'm being unreasonable there, but

736
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Speaker 3: thank you for that. Ian. After ten o'clock, right after

737
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Speaker 3: the ten o'clock news, we're going to catch up with

738
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Speaker 3: British author Ben McIntyre. He's written all sorts of spy

739
00:38:03,053 --> 00:38:06,293
Speaker 3: stories over the years, but his latest work focuses on

740
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Speaker 3: the nineteen eighty siege at the Iranian embassy in London.

741
00:38:11,853 --> 00:38:14,693
Speaker 3: So six guys took twenty six people hostage. They were

742
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Speaker 3: in there for six days until the British sas with

743
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Speaker 3: the eyes of the world on them, went and broke

744
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Speaker 3: it all up. You had guys repelling from various things,

745
00:38:22,893 --> 00:38:25,453
Speaker 3: breaking through windows, arms drawn of course, so he's going

746
00:38:25,533 --> 00:38:28,853
Speaker 3: to give us the inside story of the Iranian embassy siege.

747
00:38:28,853 --> 00:38:30,973
Speaker 3: It really was an extraordinary event, and he'll be with

748
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Speaker 3: us right after the ten o'clock news as well as

749
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Speaker 3: that if you're looking for something good to watch this weekend,

750
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Speaker 3: you just think you're gonna collapse into the couch put

751
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Speaker 3: your feet up for a few hours. We have three

752
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Speaker 3: shows to recommend in our screen time segment that we

753
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Speaker 3: reckon you will enjoy. News is Next. Though it is

754
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Speaker 3: almost ten o'clock, you're with Jack Tame Saturday Morning. This

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Speaker 5: How bad do you want?

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Speaker 3: Dude, Morning you were Jack Tame on Newstalks EDB. Ben

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Speaker 3: McIntyre is an author who captivates readers with true stories.

762
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Speaker 3: He expertly unravels complex historical events, explaining sharp subplots and

763
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Speaker 3: side characters, while artfully deploying dry humor to make the

764
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Speaker 3: stories he tells come to life. His most recent nonfiction

765
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Speaker 3: work is The Siege. It's a story of how in

766
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Speaker 3: April nineteen eighty six men stormed the Iranian embassy in

767
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Speaker 3: London and took twenty six hostages for six days. Ben

768
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Speaker 3: is coming to New Zealand for the Auckland Writers' Festival,

769
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Speaker 3: and it's joining us this morning. Kaldo, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 14: It's delightful to be here. Thank you.

771
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Speaker 3: We are just so thrilled that you are going to

772
00:40:14,973 --> 00:40:17,653
Speaker 3: be here for the Writer's Festival very soon. But I

773
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Speaker 3: wondered if we could start by talking about your latest work, Besiege.

774
00:40:21,013 --> 00:40:24,013
Speaker 3: You have written about all sorts of interesting subjects over

775
00:40:24,013 --> 00:40:27,573
Speaker 3: the years, from Kim Philby to the to the rogue heroes.

776
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Speaker 3: How do you settle upon a subject like this?

777
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Speaker 15: Well, this is one I've always wanted to write because

778
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Speaker 15: I was seventeen when this happened, and it was the

779
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Speaker 15: most dramatic thing I've ever seen on television. It was

780
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Speaker 15: an incredible sort of dramatic, real life performance. It broke

781
00:40:45,493 --> 00:40:48,173
Speaker 15: into the snooker, which we were all glued to, you know,

782
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Speaker 15: it was an incredible moment, and so I've always wanted

783
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Speaker 15: to write about it because it's one of those stories

784
00:40:53,453 --> 00:40:57,133
Speaker 15: that entered mythology very quickly. It became a sort of

785
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Speaker 15: story of sort of sas daring do and kind of

786
00:41:00,653 --> 00:41:04,053
Speaker 15: you know, fighting against the odds. And you know, actually

787
00:41:04,133 --> 00:41:06,933
Speaker 15: that the story itself is much more complicated that it's

788
00:41:07,013 --> 00:41:11,333
Speaker 15: much more interesting. It's a much more dense and conflicted

789
00:41:11,453 --> 00:41:15,213
Speaker 15: story about individuals really and about characters and personality.

790
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Speaker 14: So I've really enjoyed writing this one. It's been great fun.

791
00:41:17,733 --> 00:41:21,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a remarkable the amount of detail you're able

792
00:41:21,373 --> 00:41:25,933
Speaker 3: to extract from all sides of you know, of the crisis.

793
00:41:26,093 --> 00:41:28,093
Speaker 3: But just to remind our listeners, can you just give

794
00:41:28,173 --> 00:41:31,693
Speaker 3: us the basic outlines of the hostage crisis? What happened?

795
00:41:32,493 --> 00:41:33,373
Speaker 14: Absolutely so.

796
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Speaker 15: This was in April nineteen eighty, the US Embassy hostage

797
00:41:39,653 --> 00:41:43,373
Speaker 15: crisis was still going on in Tehran, and six armed

798
00:41:43,493 --> 00:41:47,573
Speaker 15: gunmen burst into the Iranian embassy in London and took

799
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Speaker 15: twenty seven hostages. They were young Arabs from a part

800
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Speaker 15: of Iran. They were actually deeply opposed to the Ayatola's regime.

801
00:41:57,173 --> 00:42:01,773
Speaker 15: They were bankrolled by Saddam Hussein. This was an Iraqi plot,

802
00:42:02,093 --> 00:42:06,053
Speaker 15: a deliberate attempt to destabilize the Ayatola and the Iranian regime,

803
00:42:06,413 --> 00:42:11,693
Speaker 15: and it led to this astonishing six days standoff between

804
00:42:12,013 --> 00:42:17,053
Speaker 15: the gunmen inside that building and the police and eventually

805
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Speaker 15: the essays on the outside. I don't want to give

806
00:42:20,213 --> 00:42:23,893
Speaker 15: it away for your readers, but the final denumr moment

807
00:42:23,973 --> 00:42:28,613
Speaker 15: of this story is extraordinary. When the essays end up

808
00:42:28,733 --> 00:42:33,653
Speaker 15: assaulting the building in a full scale, full military.

809
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Speaker 3: Assault as cameras watch on. I suppose is one of

810
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Speaker 3: the kind of critical moments, right, This is one of

811
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Speaker 3: those moments when you know the full capacity of the

812
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Speaker 3: essays is there for the world to see.

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Speaker 15: That's right, And you know, the ESAs had never really

814
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Speaker 15: been heard of before this.

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00:42:50,053 --> 00:42:51,013
Speaker 14: I mean, it was still.

816
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Speaker 15: A very secretive organization at this point. And of course

817
00:42:54,173 --> 00:42:55,813
Speaker 15: we're kind of used to this now it's a live

818
00:42:55,973 --> 00:42:59,693
Speaker 15: rolling news to seeing things happen in real time. This

819
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Speaker 15: was filmed by the television cameras as it took place,

820
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Speaker 15: and in nineteen eighty that was completely unprecedented.

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Speaker 14: I want to ever see news relayed this way before.

822
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Speaker 15: I remember it as a seventeen year old watching these

823
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Speaker 15: kind of black clad figures ab sailing down the outside

824
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Speaker 15: of this building, throwingly explosive inside, armed with machine guns

825
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Speaker 15: and then attacking the building. I thought it was a film.

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Speaker 15: I thought that accidentally they'd moved across from the Nigga

827
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Speaker 15: to a film. But so it's a very significant moment

828
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Speaker 15: and it had a dramatic impact on Margaret Thatcher's premiership.

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Speaker 15: You know, in a way it set the tones she'd

830
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Speaker 15: only been in power for a year by this point,

831
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Speaker 15: and it set the tone for the rest of her

832
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Speaker 15: premiership in many ways, her relationship with the military at

833
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Speaker 15: the Falkland Islands conflict, all of this in a way

834
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Speaker 15: starts from this event.

835
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Speaker 3: I was gonna say, is there an argument to be

836
00:43:52,853 --> 00:43:56,133
Speaker 3: made that the Falkland's conflict might have been avoided, or

837
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Speaker 3: at the very least that missus Etcher might have had

838
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Speaker 3: a different approach to that conflict had this not happened.

839
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Speaker 14: Yes, I think you can make that point.

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Speaker 15: Many in the Essays do I mean she believed that

841
00:44:07,373 --> 00:44:11,413
Speaker 15: she had forged a particular relationship with the military, and

842
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Speaker 15: the Essays played a very important role in the Falklands

843
00:44:15,373 --> 00:44:17,333
Speaker 15: and so yes, I mean, I think some of her

844
00:44:17,533 --> 00:44:19,893
Speaker 15: kind of you can see it now these days there's

845
00:44:19,933 --> 00:44:24,173
Speaker 15: rather gung ho attitude towards both terrorism and indeed towards

846
00:44:24,453 --> 00:44:29,373
Speaker 15: international conflict was born on this day in May.

847
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Speaker 14: It was for May when this thing really came down.

848
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Speaker 15: So it was very important for her, I think, and

849
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Speaker 15: she alluded to it throughout her premiership with great pride.

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Speaker 3: It's some more broadly being I mean, your subjects in

851
00:44:43,413 --> 00:44:46,293
Speaker 3: your various different roles and with various different heads. Your

852
00:44:46,333 --> 00:44:50,293
Speaker 3: subjects have always had a kind of boy's own quality

853
00:44:50,333 --> 00:44:55,533
Speaker 3: to them, you know, whether it's the British Intelligence services

854
00:44:55,653 --> 00:44:57,453
Speaker 3: or the likes of the essas. What do you think

855
00:44:57,493 --> 00:45:02,093
Speaker 3: has driven your personal interest in and in conflict, in

856
00:45:02,093 --> 00:45:04,573
Speaker 3: intelligence services and spying and that kind of thing.

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Speaker 14: Well, I love those kind of stories.

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Speaker 15: I mean they are, yes, they're boys' own paper in

859
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Speaker 15: a way, they're kind of you know, they're incredibly exciting

860
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Speaker 15: and adventurous and all of.

861
00:45:13,933 --> 00:45:15,933
Speaker 14: That is wonderful. But actually when you dig.

862
00:45:15,733 --> 00:45:22,053
Speaker 15: Into those stories, they're often much more fascinating than simply

863
00:45:22,173 --> 00:45:26,093
Speaker 15: stories of daring do because these are really stories about

864
00:45:26,133 --> 00:45:30,453
Speaker 15: what ordinary people do in extraordinary situations. And that is

865
00:45:30,493 --> 00:45:33,493
Speaker 15: absolutely true of the Iranian embassy seeds. There were twenty

866
00:45:33,533 --> 00:45:37,133
Speaker 15: six people inside that building. None of them got up

867
00:45:37,173 --> 00:45:39,893
Speaker 15: that morning expecting they were going to be thrust into

868
00:45:39,893 --> 00:45:43,053
Speaker 15: this terrifying drama. And a lot of the story is

869
00:45:43,093 --> 00:45:48,413
Speaker 15: really about how different people respond to terrifying situations they

870
00:45:48,453 --> 00:45:52,093
Speaker 15: can't control. And in that is the story of war,

871
00:45:52,173 --> 00:45:54,373
Speaker 15: that is the story of espionage. That is, in a

872
00:45:54,413 --> 00:45:58,573
Speaker 15: way the sort of secret story behind all conflicts is

873
00:45:58,653 --> 00:46:02,773
Speaker 15: how do individuals react when it really comes down to

874
00:46:02,813 --> 00:46:05,573
Speaker 15: the wire, and I think that's probably what has always

875
00:46:05,573 --> 00:46:06,213
Speaker 15: interested me.

876
00:46:07,093 --> 00:46:09,773
Speaker 3: One of the individuals who doesn't necessarily cover themselves in

877
00:46:09,773 --> 00:46:13,533
Speaker 3: Gloria and not for the first time in the siege

878
00:46:13,653 --> 00:46:17,693
Speaker 3: is Prince Andrew, who rushed down to the embassy almost immediately.

879
00:46:18,573 --> 00:46:21,173
Speaker 15: This is one of the more absurd aspects of this

880
00:46:21,253 --> 00:46:23,973
Speaker 15: story that I knew nothing about before I started writing it. Yes,

881
00:46:24,053 --> 00:46:27,333
Speaker 15: I mean, but the one moment when the police commissioner,

882
00:46:27,333 --> 00:46:29,893
Speaker 15: who was in charge of the whole operation actually lost

883
00:46:29,933 --> 00:46:32,933
Speaker 15: his temper was when Prince Andrew, then the kind of

884
00:46:33,013 --> 00:46:38,173
Speaker 15: young helicopter pilot, demanded Nate, insisted that he'd be allowed

885
00:46:38,293 --> 00:46:42,093
Speaker 15: to come down to police headquarters and witness the siege

886
00:46:42,213 --> 00:46:45,613
Speaker 15: in operation. He was told in no uncertain terms, and

887
00:46:45,733 --> 00:46:48,653
Speaker 15: indeed in terms that one didn't usually use towards royalty,

888
00:46:48,853 --> 00:46:50,373
Speaker 15: that that was not going to happen.

889
00:46:51,053 --> 00:46:57,653
Speaker 3: Yeah. You obviously have forwards really strong and trusting relationships

890
00:46:58,173 --> 00:47:02,213
Speaker 3: with people who either have been or are still in

891
00:47:02,253 --> 00:47:05,933
Speaker 3: pretty secretive worlds. So how do you go about nurturing

892
00:47:05,973 --> 00:47:09,093
Speaker 3: those relationships, whether it's in the intelligence agencies or with

893
00:47:09,173 --> 00:47:10,653
Speaker 3: special force and soldiers in the like.

894
00:47:11,773 --> 00:47:12,733
Speaker 14: Well, it's difficult.

895
00:47:12,973 --> 00:47:16,853
Speaker 15: But that said, everyone in the world wants to tell

896
00:47:16,893 --> 00:47:20,093
Speaker 15: their story, and that goes for people in the secret

897
00:47:20,133 --> 00:47:22,813
Speaker 15: world as much as anyone else. Really, they may be

898
00:47:23,093 --> 00:47:25,333
Speaker 15: kind of prevented in a way by convention and in

899
00:47:25,333 --> 00:47:31,093
Speaker 15: some cases by law, but they're basically human interest in instinct.

900
00:47:30,693 --> 00:47:33,693
Speaker 14: I think, to tell our own narratives.

901
00:47:33,333 --> 00:47:36,093
Speaker 15: So I've been very lucky over the last thirty years

902
00:47:36,133 --> 00:47:38,053
Speaker 15: I've met lots of people from this world. I could

903
00:47:38,093 --> 00:47:41,933
Speaker 15: not have written this book without the cooperation of the

904
00:47:41,933 --> 00:47:45,133
Speaker 15: Ministry of Defense in the UK. The SAS is not

905
00:47:45,213 --> 00:47:49,293
Speaker 15: supposed to talk about operations. Ever, that's a kind of

906
00:47:49,373 --> 00:47:53,493
Speaker 15: a firm rule. In this occasion, After a certain amount

907
00:47:53,493 --> 00:47:57,333
Speaker 15: of badgering from me, they agreed to allow the people

908
00:47:57,613 --> 00:48:01,853
Speaker 15: directly involved in this operation to talk about what had happened.

909
00:48:01,893 --> 00:48:04,173
Speaker 15: And that's really never happened before, and so I was

910
00:48:04,533 --> 00:48:05,533
Speaker 15: hugely grateful for that.

911
00:48:05,613 --> 00:48:08,213
Speaker 14: It allowed me to talk to these people who.

912
00:48:08,173 --> 00:48:11,333
Speaker 15: And there aren't that many of them still alive, who

913
00:48:11,373 --> 00:48:14,933
Speaker 15: had actually witnessed at first hand what happened in the

914
00:48:15,053 --> 00:48:18,973
Speaker 15: closing eleven minutes of Operation Nimrod, And without that, I

915
00:48:18,973 --> 00:48:20,933
Speaker 15: think this book would have been impossible to write, because

916
00:48:20,973 --> 00:48:24,453
Speaker 15: that really gave me the kind of warp and weft

917
00:48:24,613 --> 00:48:27,653
Speaker 15: of what that experience felt like. So yes, I mean

918
00:48:27,693 --> 00:48:32,413
Speaker 15: those personal relationships are absolutely crucial to writing narrative nonfiction

919
00:48:32,653 --> 00:48:32,893
Speaker 15: like this.

920
00:48:33,133 --> 00:48:35,813
Speaker 3: Do you ever worry that, you know, people in those

921
00:48:35,893 --> 00:48:41,373
Speaker 3: kind of positions of secrecy but also power are trying

922
00:48:41,413 --> 00:48:43,453
Speaker 3: to you know, they're put up the facad and say, oh,

923
00:48:43,493 --> 00:48:45,693
Speaker 3: you know, we never tell our stories, never tell us stories. Okay,

924
00:48:45,973 --> 00:48:47,693
Speaker 3: all right, Bean, will tell you our story, and it

925
00:48:47,773 --> 00:48:50,053
Speaker 3: just so happens that we look fantastic out of us.

926
00:48:50,813 --> 00:48:52,173
Speaker 14: Well, you make a very good point.

927
00:48:52,253 --> 00:48:54,933
Speaker 15: I mean, you know, spies and special operations people like

928
00:48:55,013 --> 00:48:58,253
Speaker 15: to tell those stories. When those stories reflect well on them,

929
00:48:58,613 --> 00:49:00,053
Speaker 15: they're much less willing to do.

930
00:49:00,173 --> 00:49:00,333
Speaker 9: So.

931
00:49:00,693 --> 00:49:03,173
Speaker 15: You know, if Operation Nimrod had failed, I don't think

932
00:49:03,173 --> 00:49:05,693
Speaker 15: the Ministry of Defense would be anything like as Keen.

933
00:49:06,453 --> 00:49:07,693
Speaker 14: It wasn't that Keen anyway.

934
00:49:07,773 --> 00:49:09,853
Speaker 15: But you know, to to sort of share the story,

935
00:49:10,053 --> 00:49:12,013
Speaker 15: one has to be a bit careful of that. I mean,

936
00:49:12,053 --> 00:49:15,733
Speaker 15: I'm always a bit nervous and a bit tentative about

937
00:49:15,813 --> 00:49:19,533
Speaker 15: dealing with sort of official bodies, because you know, this

938
00:49:19,613 --> 00:49:22,453
Speaker 15: is not an authorized book. I mean, it's different from

939
00:49:22,573 --> 00:49:24,893
Speaker 15: Sas Rogue Heroes, which I wrote before, which was an

940
00:49:24,933 --> 00:49:28,973
Speaker 15: authorized history of the SAS, and when I started that project,

941
00:49:29,013 --> 00:49:32,173
Speaker 15: I made it absolutely clear that while the SAS was

942
00:49:32,213 --> 00:49:35,533
Speaker 15: allowed to have an opinion about the manuscript, it did

943
00:49:35,533 --> 00:49:36,933
Speaker 15: not have editorial control.

944
00:49:37,493 --> 00:49:39,173
Speaker 14: In this case, it's even firmer.

945
00:49:39,253 --> 00:49:42,653
Speaker 15: They had no control over what I wrote in the

946
00:49:42,693 --> 00:49:45,453
Speaker 15: end at all, and to their credit, they really didn't

947
00:49:45,493 --> 00:49:48,013
Speaker 15: try to. There was only one or two elements of

948
00:49:48,373 --> 00:49:53,133
Speaker 15: what they call contemporary capability. I thinks that would still

949
00:49:53,173 --> 00:49:55,373
Speaker 15: be done today that were done in nineteen eighty and

950
00:49:55,413 --> 00:49:57,653
Speaker 15: as your listeners can imagine, there are a precious few

951
00:49:57,653 --> 00:49:58,013
Speaker 15: of those.

952
00:49:58,933 --> 00:50:00,373
Speaker 14: There were a few of those.

953
00:50:00,213 --> 00:50:02,773
Speaker 15: Where they said, look, please don't put that in the book,

954
00:50:02,813 --> 00:50:04,933
Speaker 15: because you know you don't want to, you don't want

955
00:50:04,973 --> 00:50:06,813
Speaker 15: to enable the other side. And look, I'm not in

956
00:50:06,813 --> 00:50:09,253
Speaker 15: the business of helping terrorists do anything.

957
00:50:09,293 --> 00:50:11,373
Speaker 14: So I was perfectly happy to do that.

958
00:50:11,573 --> 00:50:15,453
Speaker 15: But it's surprising in a way how little control really

959
00:50:16,253 --> 00:50:19,333
Speaker 15: they both have and can have over a project like this.

960
00:50:19,973 --> 00:50:21,693
Speaker 3: You know, am I right and thinking? When you were

961
00:50:21,733 --> 00:50:25,813
Speaker 3: a student you were approached about potentially joining the intelligence citizens.

962
00:50:26,813 --> 00:50:28,373
Speaker 15: Yes, this is one of the reasons why I've made

963
00:50:28,373 --> 00:50:32,693
Speaker 15: a hopeless spy. Is I've kind of revealed this supposed suit. Yes,

964
00:50:32,733 --> 00:50:36,533
Speaker 15: I was approached by by six and I went through

965
00:50:36,733 --> 00:50:40,693
Speaker 15: just the initial stages of recruitment. It became pretty clear

966
00:50:40,693 --> 00:50:43,053
Speaker 15: pretty quickly to both sides. I think that I was

967
00:50:43,133 --> 00:50:45,613
Speaker 15: really not I was not the type to make a

968
00:50:45,653 --> 00:50:49,573
Speaker 15: good spy. I like to reveal secrets. I don't really

969
00:50:49,613 --> 00:50:52,333
Speaker 15: like to keep them. That's why I've had that's a

970
00:50:52,373 --> 00:50:54,173
Speaker 15: only time, you know, as a journalist and as a

971
00:50:54,173 --> 00:50:57,813
Speaker 15: book writer, kind of digging into the secret past. So yeah,

972
00:50:57,813 --> 00:51:00,973
Speaker 15: I was briefly touched and or tapped up, as they

973
00:51:01,013 --> 00:51:02,453
Speaker 15: say in the UK parlance.

974
00:51:02,533 --> 00:51:04,773
Speaker 14: But it was clearly never going to go anywhere.

975
00:51:04,773 --> 00:51:07,013
Speaker 15: But I think it did leave me with is a

976
00:51:07,253 --> 00:51:11,133
Speaker 15: kind of residual fascination with the secret world. I think

977
00:51:11,173 --> 00:51:13,333
Speaker 15: there's a there's a story to be told about the

978
00:51:13,373 --> 00:51:16,933
Speaker 15: secret world in which a non fiction writer can write

979
00:51:16,973 --> 00:51:20,613
Speaker 15: about true stories in a way that nonetheless feels like fiction,

980
00:51:20,733 --> 00:51:23,453
Speaker 15: and that's almost unique to the spy world.

981
00:51:23,213 --> 00:51:27,213
Speaker 3: The narrative nonfiction. Right, it's a yeah, yeah, how does

982
00:51:27,213 --> 00:51:30,013
Speaker 3: the approach work? Do someone just look? You call it tepic?

983
00:51:30,093 --> 00:51:30,253
Speaker 6: Is it?

984
00:51:30,453 --> 00:51:32,893
Speaker 14: I mean, it's it was literally the old fashioned way.

985
00:51:32,933 --> 00:51:36,213
Speaker 15: It was my last university in Cambridge a nest of spies,

986
00:51:36,973 --> 00:51:39,133
Speaker 15: they say, and I was just approached by one of

987
00:51:39,173 --> 00:51:43,173
Speaker 15: my lecturers who said, you know, there are certain people

988
00:51:43,213 --> 00:51:44,013
Speaker 15: I think you ought to meet.

989
00:51:44,093 --> 00:51:44,653
Speaker 14: I mean he never.

990
00:51:44,573 --> 00:51:46,133
Speaker 15: Actually said what it was I was going to do,

991
00:51:46,253 --> 00:51:48,653
Speaker 15: but I was perfectly clear what was going to happen.

992
00:51:48,653 --> 00:51:49,973
Speaker 14: And I went through a couple of interviews.

993
00:51:49,973 --> 00:51:52,733
Speaker 15: But but and I did it more really out of

994
00:51:52,773 --> 00:51:53,813
Speaker 15: sort of curiosity.

995
00:51:53,893 --> 00:51:57,813
Speaker 14: I think I slightly wasted their time. But it's you know,

996
00:51:57,893 --> 00:51:58,413
Speaker 14: it's I.

997
00:51:58,373 --> 00:52:02,573
Speaker 15: Mean, my contacts in that world are always quite amusing

998
00:52:02,693 --> 00:52:05,733
Speaker 15: about They all know that I that was sort of

999
00:52:05,773 --> 00:52:06,533
Speaker 15: at one point.

1000
00:52:06,653 --> 00:52:09,573
Speaker 14: Briefly kind of mentioned as a possibility.

1001
00:52:10,293 --> 00:52:12,853
Speaker 3: What do you think, I mean, your fascination is shared

1002
00:52:12,893 --> 00:52:16,093
Speaker 3: by so many people, including me. But you know, obviously

1003
00:52:16,133 --> 00:52:19,773
Speaker 3: the nature of espionage in the secret world, as you

1004
00:52:19,893 --> 00:52:23,453
Speaker 3: term that has massively changed and continues to change as

1005
00:52:23,493 --> 00:52:26,293
Speaker 3: technology evolves in that sort of thing. What do you

1006
00:52:26,373 --> 00:52:32,253
Speaker 3: think is something that people misunderstand about the operations or

1007
00:52:32,293 --> 00:52:35,213
Speaker 3: capacity of intelligence services.

1008
00:52:36,013 --> 00:52:36,893
Speaker 14: It's a very good question.

1009
00:52:36,933 --> 00:52:39,133
Speaker 15: I mean, I think a lot of people assume today

1010
00:52:39,253 --> 00:52:44,013
Speaker 15: that the whole of intelligence takes place digitally, that really

1011
00:52:44,053 --> 00:52:49,653
Speaker 15: this is now a story about intercepting telephone messages, texts, emails,

1012
00:52:49,693 --> 00:52:52,213
Speaker 15: that it's all taking place in a kind of cyber world,

1013
00:52:52,453 --> 00:52:55,093
Speaker 15: and to a considered extent, that is the great development

1014
00:52:55,133 --> 00:52:58,573
Speaker 15: of modern espiona. You know, it does take place up

1015
00:52:58,573 --> 00:53:00,813
Speaker 15: there and needs a lot of it, but not all

1016
00:53:00,893 --> 00:53:05,613
Speaker 15: of it, because human intelligence is as important today as

1017
00:53:05,653 --> 00:53:08,933
Speaker 15: it ever was, in fact arguably even more important.

1018
00:53:09,053 --> 00:53:11,893
Speaker 14: You know, knowing.

1019
00:53:11,773 --> 00:53:14,733
Speaker 15: Who your enemy is, being able to put a face

1020
00:53:14,813 --> 00:53:18,293
Speaker 15: to him or her, being able to talk to people

1021
00:53:18,333 --> 00:53:21,853
Speaker 15: in crowded bars and work out whether they are telling

1022
00:53:21,853 --> 00:53:22,533
Speaker 15: you the truth.

1023
00:53:23,413 --> 00:53:25,653
Speaker 14: That is still, I would say.

1024
00:53:25,453 --> 00:53:30,013
Speaker 15: The essence of all espionage, and without it, cyber espionage

1025
00:53:30,053 --> 00:53:30,653
Speaker 15: doesn't work.

1026
00:53:30,893 --> 00:53:31,453
Speaker 13: Yeah.

1027
00:53:31,533 --> 00:53:35,533
Speaker 3: Well, being we love your work. We love all of

1028
00:53:35,533 --> 00:53:37,613
Speaker 3: your work, including the stuff that we've also seen on

1029
00:53:37,653 --> 00:53:41,293
Speaker 3: TV and at the cinema. We're delighted that you are

1030
00:53:41,333 --> 00:53:43,693
Speaker 3: going to be appearing at the Auckland Riders Festival and

1031
00:53:43,733 --> 00:53:45,173
Speaker 3: AOK forward to hearing from me very soon.

1032
00:53:46,053 --> 00:53:48,213
Speaker 15: Well, I'm thoroughly looking forward to it, and indeed I

1033
00:53:48,253 --> 00:53:52,213
Speaker 15: have a special guest in Auckland, which is one of

1034
00:53:52,253 --> 00:53:56,893
Speaker 15: the participants in the Sas Embassy Siege and New Zealander

1035
00:53:56,973 --> 00:53:59,413
Speaker 15: will be joining me on stage for that event, which

1036
00:53:59,453 --> 00:54:00,773
Speaker 15: I'm thoroughly looking forward to.

1037
00:54:01,213 --> 00:54:03,253
Speaker 3: That's going to be so special. Thank you being so.

1038
00:54:03,333 --> 00:54:05,133
Speaker 3: Bean's going to be in New Zealand speaking at the

1039
00:54:05,133 --> 00:54:08,373
Speaker 3: Auckland Writers Festival, which begins on the thirteenth of May,

1040
00:54:08,413 --> 00:54:11,453
Speaker 3: and of course there's more information and tickets available at

1041
00:54:11,453 --> 00:54:16,493
Speaker 3: writers Festival dot co dot nz. Before eleven o'clock on

1042
00:54:16,573 --> 00:54:18,813
Speaker 3: News Talk ZB, we're going to take a closer look

1043
00:54:18,893 --> 00:54:21,613
Speaker 3: at what the tariffs in the US are going to

1044
00:54:21,693 --> 00:54:23,733
Speaker 3: mean for Apple. This has sort of been a bit

1045
00:54:23,773 --> 00:54:25,533
Speaker 3: of a back and forth, but now that things have

1046
00:54:25,613 --> 00:54:28,213
Speaker 3: settled at least for a week or so, like Donald

1047
00:54:28,213 --> 00:54:31,333
Speaker 3: Trump hasn't changed the tariff policy in a few days,

1048
00:54:31,613 --> 00:54:33,453
Speaker 3: we've got a bit of a better steer on what

1049
00:54:33,493 --> 00:54:35,893
Speaker 3: it's going to mean for what has been the world's

1050
00:54:35,893 --> 00:54:39,493
Speaker 3: most popular smartphone maker. Apple reckons it's still going to

1051
00:54:39,533 --> 00:54:42,333
Speaker 3: cost them more than a billion dollars, but our Textbert

1052
00:54:42,413 --> 00:54:44,453
Speaker 3: might give us a few insights on what it could

1053
00:54:44,493 --> 00:54:46,533
Speaker 3: mean for New Zealand, so he'll be with us very shortly.

1054
00:54:46,853 --> 00:54:50,413
Speaker 3: Next up, though, your screen time picks for this weekend.

1055
00:54:50,413 --> 00:54:51,973
Speaker 3: If you're looking for a good show to watch your

1056
00:54:52,013 --> 00:54:55,733
Speaker 3: stream at home, three fantastic shows to recommend. It's twenty

1057
00:54:55,733 --> 00:54:56,413
Speaker 3: two pas ten.

1058
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Speaker 1: Start your weekend off in style. Saturday mornings with JAFTA

1059
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Speaker 1: and vpewer dot co dot inz for high quality supplements.

1060
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Speaker 3: US Talk said, Lynn has locked us a note to

1061
00:55:08,453 --> 00:55:11,933
Speaker 3: say she remembers the whole siege really well and remembers

1062
00:55:11,933 --> 00:55:14,533
Speaker 3: PC Yvonne Fletcher, who was the police officer who was

1063
00:55:14,573 --> 00:55:21,173
Speaker 3: sadly killed in that extraordinary event. Thanks that text, Lynn,

1064
00:55:21,213 --> 00:55:22,733
Speaker 3: ninety two ninety two. If you want to send us

1065
00:55:22,733 --> 00:55:24,973
Speaker 3: an message this morning, Jacket new Stalk dB dot cot

1066
00:55:25,053 --> 00:55:27,733
Speaker 3: On indeed is the email address. It's twenty five past ten,

1067
00:55:28,573 --> 00:55:32,213
Speaker 3: which means it's screen time time. Tara Ward is our

1068
00:55:32,253 --> 00:55:34,773
Speaker 3: screen time experted as her job to give us three

1069
00:55:34,813 --> 00:55:37,453
Speaker 3: shows each weekend to watch your stream at home. Hey Tara,

1070
00:55:38,173 --> 00:55:42,133
Speaker 3: good morning. Okay, you got three cracking recommendations I reckon

1071
00:55:42,133 --> 00:55:44,773
Speaker 3: this morning. So let's begin with the show streaming on

1072
00:55:44,933 --> 00:55:47,533
Speaker 3: Neon tell us about Choir Games.

1073
00:55:48,093 --> 00:55:51,613
Speaker 12: Yeah, this is a really heartwarming new four part documentary

1074
00:55:51,613 --> 00:55:54,693
Speaker 12: series that drops on Neon from tomorrow, and it's about

1075
00:55:54,693 --> 00:55:58,013
Speaker 12: two choirs as they prepare for the World Choir Games,

1076
00:55:58,013 --> 00:56:00,613
Speaker 12: which were held in Auckland last year. One of the

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Speaker 12: choirs is a youth choir from New York City which

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Speaker 12: is made up of teenagers who have had a tough

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Speaker 12: life or who are struggling a bit. And the other

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Speaker 12: choir is from Katya and as much smaller and very

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Speaker 12: much a local community choir. So it's following two very

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Speaker 12: different groups on their journey to the games. But what's

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00:56:19,053 --> 00:56:22,013
Speaker 12: wonderful about this series is that you see the similarities

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00:56:22,053 --> 00:56:25,493
Speaker 12: between the two groups and the way that singing gives

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00:56:25,533 --> 00:56:28,733
Speaker 12: people in the choir a purpose and belonging in a

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00:56:28,813 --> 00:56:32,213
Speaker 12: sense of pride. We watch them practice, we get to

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00:56:32,213 --> 00:56:35,093
Speaker 12: know the singers, we see them compete, and you get

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00:56:35,133 --> 00:56:38,253
Speaker 12: to understand why singing and why the choir is so

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Speaker 12: important to them. And there's something about watching people sing

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00:56:41,333 --> 00:56:44,973
Speaker 12: together that always makes me feel emotional, and this documentary

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00:56:44,973 --> 00:56:48,893
Speaker 12: series is channeling that. It captures that emotional power of

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00:56:49,733 --> 00:56:52,493
Speaker 12: people coming together from all walks of life, all corners

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00:56:52,493 --> 00:56:55,573
Speaker 12: of the globe. It's directed by Leanne Pauley, who also

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Speaker 12: made the Top Twins Untouchable Girls documentary. She made the

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Speaker 12: Valerie Adams documentary. So we're in really good hands here,

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Speaker 12: and I think because it's got those links to us

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Speaker 12: here in New Zealand with that wonderful choir from Tire,

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Speaker 12: that just makes this even more special and relatable. It's

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Speaker 12: just a really lovely, uplifting series.

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Speaker 3: Great. I cannot wait to see that. So that's quiet Game.

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Speaker 3: That's on Neon from tomorrow, streaming on Netflix. Tell Us

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Speaker 3: about the Four Seasons.

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00:57:22,173 --> 00:57:25,773
Speaker 12: This is a new comedy starring Tina Fey and Steve Carrell.

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00:57:25,813 --> 00:57:28,613
Speaker 12: It's a remake of an old film by Alan Alder,

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00:57:28,733 --> 00:57:31,293
Speaker 12: and Tina Fey has remade it and written it with

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00:57:32,093 --> 00:57:34,733
Speaker 12: a couple of other writers from thirty Rock, So you've

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00:57:34,733 --> 00:57:37,133
Speaker 12: got some really good comedy bones here. And the show

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00:57:37,213 --> 00:57:41,173
Speaker 12: is about three married couples who have been friends for

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00:57:41,213 --> 00:57:44,013
Speaker 12: a long time for instance, college, and who meet up

1110
00:57:44,053 --> 00:57:46,293
Speaker 12: four times a year for a weeknd a way together.

1111
00:57:47,293 --> 00:57:49,973
Speaker 12: One of the couples decides to divorce after twenty five

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00:57:50,053 --> 00:57:52,693
Speaker 12: years of marriage, and the series is about the fallout

1113
00:57:52,893 --> 00:57:56,573
Speaker 12: fallout from that separation as the dynamics and the group

1114
00:57:56,613 --> 00:57:59,853
Speaker 12: shift between the friends and family and lives change and

1115
00:57:59,853 --> 00:58:04,653
Speaker 12: those sort of long howled, unshakable relationships and friendships begin

1116
00:58:04,733 --> 00:58:07,653
Speaker 12: to change over the next twelve months. It's a very

1117
00:58:07,773 --> 00:58:11,053
Speaker 12: gentle warm kind of comedy, not necessarily that laugh out

1118
00:58:11,093 --> 00:58:14,853
Speaker 12: loud kind of humor, but it's more sort of about

1119
00:58:14,853 --> 00:58:20,253
Speaker 12: the rye observations about getting older and relationships changing and

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Speaker 12: trying not to have a mid life crisis but having one. Anyway,

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Speaker 12: eight half hour episodes, this would be kind of a

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Speaker 12: very pleasant binge watch on a Sunday afternoon kind of show.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Nice, Okay, cool, that's the four seasons. That's on

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Speaker 3: Netflix and on Apple TV plus Currem.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, this is a very lively, opulent French drama. That's

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00:58:39,413 --> 00:58:41,773
Speaker 12: just that on Apple TV Plus. It's about a real

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00:58:41,813 --> 00:58:45,493
Speaker 12: life figure called Antonine Karame, who was effectively the world's

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Speaker 12: first celebrity chef back in the early eighteen hundreds.

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Speaker 2: He was French.

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Speaker 12: He was born into poverty, but adopted by a baker

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00:58:53,653 --> 00:58:58,293
Speaker 12: and became a talented pastry chef. He made these incredible

1132
00:58:58,373 --> 00:59:02,213
Speaker 12: architectural cakes and desserts and wrote these best selling cookbooks.

1133
00:59:03,053 --> 00:59:05,373
Speaker 12: He became very famous in a demand and ended up

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Speaker 12: cooking for Napoleon and so in the show, Karame is

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Speaker 12: a bit of a rock star. He's got swagger, he's

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Speaker 12: got sex appeal, he's a bit of a rebel. The

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Speaker 12: show does take a few historical liberties. He ends up

1138
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Speaker 12: being a spy for Napoleon and the show but you

1139
00:59:19,933 --> 00:59:21,773
Speaker 12: kind of just go along with it because it's that

1140
00:59:21,893 --> 00:59:24,253
Speaker 12: kind of show. It's it's set in the eighteen hundreds.

1141
00:59:24,253 --> 00:59:28,013
Speaker 12: It feels very modern. It's very sumptuous and beautiful. You know,

1142
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Speaker 12: it's a bit of a romp. It's a bit of fun.

1143
00:59:30,653 --> 00:59:33,013
Speaker 12: If you love food and cooking and the stress of

1144
00:59:33,013 --> 00:59:35,413
Speaker 12: a big kitchen, this has got all of that. If

1145
00:59:35,453 --> 00:59:38,173
Speaker 12: you ever wish the beer was set in revolutionary fronts,

1146
00:59:38,293 --> 00:59:40,453
Speaker 12: you know, this is all your dreams come true. It's

1147
00:59:40,613 --> 00:59:42,933
Speaker 12: over the top but kind of wonderfully.

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Speaker 3: So okay, Well, you're very generous, Tara, because I called

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Speaker 3: it karem, and you've immediately called it karame and you've

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00:59:50,733 --> 00:59:53,133
Speaker 3: very quietly not corrected there, which is generous of you.

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Speaker 12: Well, I too called it kareem until I watched the show,

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Speaker 12: and then that's how they pronounce. I'm with you on

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00:59:59,093 --> 00:59:59,413
Speaker 12: that one.

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Speaker 3: I'm just hope this with French as the trick. Yeah,

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01:00:02,413 --> 01:00:04,333
Speaker 3: they can be. They can be even when you're in

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Speaker 3: the broadcasting business. Hey, thank you. It does sound great.

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Speaker 3: The show sounds interesting, so thank you for that. Karra

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Speaker 3: May is streaming on Apple TV plus, the four seasons

1159
01:00:13,053 --> 01:00:17,133
Speaker 3: is on Netflix, and Choir Games is on Neon from tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: It's ten thirty you with Newstalks.

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Speaker 1: EDB, Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday Morning with Jack

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Speaker 1: Team on Newstalks EDB.

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Speaker 3: He is one of our most treasured musicians, Sir Dave Dobbin.

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01:00:55,133 --> 01:00:57,053
Speaker 3: I probably don't need to tell you that he has

1165
01:00:57,053 --> 01:01:00,333
Speaker 3: always basically won every single thing possible from countless New

1166
01:01:00,373 --> 01:01:04,853
Speaker 3: Zealand Music Awards, Opera and Aria Awards, Lifetime Achievement War Awards.

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Speaker 3: He's been knighted as well. Yesterday he released this it

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01:01:08,613 --> 01:01:12,613
Speaker 3: is Slice of Heaven Paradise version. He released it to

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Speaker 3: coincide with the fiftieth anniversary of New Zealand's official music charts,

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01:01:16,733 --> 01:01:20,893
Speaker 3: but it is also funny enough coinciding with the announcement

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Speaker 3: that he will get the band back together, The Dudes,

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Speaker 3: that is, for a very special one off performance at

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Speaker 3: Auckland's Town Hall as part of the Winter series. I

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Speaker 3: could believe this. Dave Dobbin has never played at the

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Speaker 3: Auckland Town Hall before. What anyway, He's going into a

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Speaker 3: bit of a deep dive into his extraordinary back catalog

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Speaker 3: for the show. So our music correspondent the Stelle Clifford

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Speaker 3: is going to join us perform midday with more details,

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Speaker 3: and we're going to take a cheeky guess at what

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01:01:49,013 --> 01:01:51,933
Speaker 3: Deep Cuts might be on the set list when he

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Speaker 3: performs at Auckland's town Hall. Here's the funny thing, A

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01:01:55,853 --> 01:01:59,053
Speaker 3: funny relationship I have with this song back in the day.

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01:01:59,213 --> 01:02:02,133
Speaker 3: I mean obviously a classic, right if not the classic

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Speaker 3: in New Zealand. So back in the day, I was

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Speaker 3: for a brief and glorious window of my life, a

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Speaker 3: weddings and twenty first DJ. So when I was about

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Speaker 3: I think I started when I was about seventeen or so.

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Speaker 3: It was kind of one of my first gigs and

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Speaker 3: literally gigs. So I would go round in Canterbury and

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01:02:24,533 --> 01:02:27,173
Speaker 3: I had this kind of speaker setup that just squeezed

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01:02:27,173 --> 01:02:29,853
Speaker 3: into the back of my Honda City, my first car.

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01:02:30,173 --> 01:02:32,093
Speaker 3: You had to pack it just the right way otherwise

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01:02:32,093 --> 01:02:33,813
Speaker 3: I couldn't get the speakers and the lights in there.

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Speaker 3: And anyway, I go off to usually twenty firsts around

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Speaker 3: the place, sometimes school disc goes, sometimes weddings as well,

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Speaker 3: and no matter what the event was, I always ended

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Speaker 3: the night. The last song of the night was always

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Speaker 3: Slice of Heaven because I always knew you, I mean,

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Speaker 3: you'd have people up on the dance for way, then

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Speaker 3: I would be partying away and I always finish things

1201
01:02:52,253 --> 01:02:54,733
Speaker 3: with Slice of Heaven. And to this day, twenty years on,

1202
01:02:54,893 --> 01:02:57,613
Speaker 3: anytime I hear that song, it takes me back right

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Speaker 3: twenty five to eleven. Our texpert is the next you

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01:03:00,453 --> 01:03:02,093
Speaker 3: with Jack Tayman. This is news talks.

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Speaker 2: 'd be.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the news bakers. The mic

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Speaker 1: asking breakfast.

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Speaker 5: Back to this business of our economy.

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Speaker 16: As a chief economy Sharon Solna is back with all

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Speaker 16: these companies that are abandoneding guidance now because they have

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01:03:15,373 --> 01:03:16,373
Speaker 16: no idea what's going on?

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Speaker 5: Does that make life more difficult for us?

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Speaker 17: All?

1214
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Speaker 16: Well, it does make it more difficult for them in case,

1215
01:03:20,973 --> 01:03:23,213
Speaker 16: I mean the actual direct tariff on our ten percent

1216
01:03:23,333 --> 01:03:26,093
Speaker 16: on twelve percent of very exports really of their goods experts.

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01:03:26,173 --> 01:03:27,973
Speaker 16: It's not a game change of the economy, but for

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01:03:28,053 --> 01:03:31,093
Speaker 16: some individual companies, of course it's a very big deal.

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01:03:31,253 --> 01:03:33,413
Speaker 16: But the main channel through which you could be effected

1220
01:03:33,613 --> 01:03:37,653
Speaker 16: the slower growth, including in China, support partners and texting,

1221
01:03:37,653 --> 01:03:40,613
Speaker 16: our commology classes and exports more generally, but also that

1222
01:03:40,773 --> 01:03:41,773
Speaker 16: confidence channel.

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Speaker 9: Back Monday from six am, the mic asking Breakfast with

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Speaker 9: a Vida News Talk z.

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Speaker 3: B twenty two to eleven. Paul Stenhouse is our texpert

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Speaker 3: end is here this morning, Hey, Paul, So, Apple has

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Speaker 3: given a few more details on the US tariffs and

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01:03:58,013 --> 01:04:02,173
Speaker 3: its strategy to try and keep iPhones and macbox and

1229
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Speaker 3: that kind of thing as cheap as possible.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Well, remember they filled up a plane jack to try

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01:04:07,213 --> 01:04:09,933
Speaker 6: to get as many iPhones into the United States as

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01:04:09,933 --> 01:04:14,413
Speaker 6: possible when these tariffs were first talked about, and they've

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01:04:14,453 --> 01:04:17,973
Speaker 6: now said in their latest earnings call that basically your iPhone,

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Speaker 6: if you're buying it in the United States in the

1236
01:04:20,893 --> 01:04:23,933
Speaker 6: next couple of months, will be coming from India, right,

1237
01:04:24,213 --> 01:04:27,933
Speaker 6: while your iPad, mac Apple Watch AirPods they're going to

1238
01:04:27,973 --> 01:04:31,773
Speaker 6: be coming from Vietnam, right. And so basically the rest

1239
01:04:31,813 --> 01:04:34,173
Speaker 6: of the world is going to be getting the output

1240
01:04:34,333 --> 01:04:37,733
Speaker 6: of the China factory. Right, So they're going to take

1241
01:04:37,773 --> 01:04:39,853
Speaker 6: all that product that they typically make in China, send

1242
01:04:39,893 --> 01:04:42,253
Speaker 6: that around the world, and in the USA it's going

1243
01:04:42,293 --> 01:04:42,773
Speaker 6: to get its.

1244
01:04:42,693 --> 01:04:44,013
Speaker 2: Own special products.

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01:04:44,773 --> 01:04:47,733
Speaker 6: But it's really interesting to note though, right they say

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01:04:47,733 --> 01:04:51,493
Speaker 6: that if nothing else about these tariffs change, because who

1247
01:04:51,493 --> 01:04:55,893
Speaker 6: knows they could change. They seem to change daily. The

1248
01:04:56,053 --> 01:04:58,893
Speaker 6: current estimate is that it will cost them just for

1249
01:04:58,933 --> 01:05:02,853
Speaker 6: this one quarter nine hundred million US dollars.

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01:05:03,133 --> 01:05:07,653
Speaker 3: Whoa, okay, so yeah, crazy, like one point New Zealand's yeah,

1251
01:05:07,653 --> 01:05:09,653
Speaker 3: my gosh billion, yeah billion.

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01:05:10,013 --> 01:05:10,253
Speaker 5: Yeah.

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01:05:10,333 --> 01:05:12,133
Speaker 6: And so you know, they also are putting out their

1254
01:05:12,133 --> 01:05:17,013
Speaker 6: guidance their investors saying that because again nothing changing, Yeah,

1255
01:05:17,293 --> 01:05:21,413
Speaker 6: imports going forward will actually be exempt from the tariffs

1256
01:05:21,453 --> 01:05:24,853
Speaker 6: because Trump put in that that carve out for semiconductors

1257
01:05:24,893 --> 01:05:27,493
Speaker 6: and electronic goods and things like that. So this is

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Speaker 6: sort of like the one quarter where Apple is going

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Speaker 6: to have to eat it at nine hundred million US dollars.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's amazing. I just imagined logistically, because obviously all

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01:05:37,853 --> 01:05:41,013
Speaker 3: those companies are pretty advanced and their you know, production

1262
01:05:41,133 --> 01:05:43,213
Speaker 3: strategies and all that kind of thing. Just imagine trying

1263
01:05:43,253 --> 01:05:46,093
Speaker 3: to change all of the logistics for your production and

1264
01:05:46,173 --> 01:05:49,653
Speaker 3: exports effectively overnight as they've had to do. So, Yeah,

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01:05:49,653 --> 01:05:52,133
Speaker 3: it'd be very interesting to see how things unfold, be it,

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01:05:52,293 --> 01:05:57,773
Speaker 3: and I suppose for the time being, unless you know, unless,

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01:05:57,853 --> 01:06:01,333
Speaker 3: unless there are other big changes and changes between our relationship,

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Speaker 3: New Zealand's relationship with China trading relationship then basically ies

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Speaker 3: and MacBooks and everything is still going to be the

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01:06:09,253 --> 01:06:11,813
Speaker 3: same price, just as expensive as they've always been in

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01:06:11,853 --> 01:06:14,853
Speaker 3: New Zealand. And whether or not they're cheaper or expensive

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01:06:15,133 --> 01:06:18,773
Speaker 3: relative to products bought in the US, I suppose depends

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01:06:18,773 --> 01:06:22,173
Speaker 3: on whether or not those policies change. So yeah, hey,

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Speaker 3: Meta is working to make WhatsApp AI chats a little

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01:06:25,413 --> 01:06:26,253
Speaker 3: bit more private.

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01:06:26,933 --> 01:06:30,413
Speaker 6: Yeah, Privacy obviously front and center when it comes to

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01:06:30,533 --> 01:06:33,653
Speaker 6: just you know, sending information up to the cloud, right,

1278
01:06:33,733 --> 01:06:36,733
Speaker 6: and so as you're sending more and more personal data

1279
01:06:37,213 --> 01:06:41,493
Speaker 6: and having conversations with your AI agent, obviously that's important too.

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Speaker 6: And so Meta is basically calling what creating what they

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01:06:45,293 --> 01:06:49,133
Speaker 6: call private processing. So what effectively is is that when

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01:06:49,213 --> 01:06:51,733
Speaker 6: you start having your chat with your AI agent, it's

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01:06:51,773 --> 01:06:56,053
Speaker 6: working in your own little say Jack Tame bubble right. Effectively,

1284
01:06:56,053 --> 01:06:58,373
Speaker 6: it's running like you know, it's own software in the cloud.

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01:06:58,813 --> 01:07:01,413
Speaker 6: You know, it's not doing it in something that shared.

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01:07:02,213 --> 01:07:05,773
Speaker 6: Thus saying that Meta what'sapp. Because Meta obviously owns WhatsApp

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01:07:06,053 --> 01:07:07,933
Speaker 6: or any of their third parties, they can't see what's

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Speaker 6: going on, So that's going to stay completely private to you.

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Speaker 6: It is optional though it's in the process of being

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Speaker 6: rolled out, and when it does get rolled out for you.

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Speaker 6: You'll actually have to go in and select to use

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Speaker 6: private processing private mode. But it's interesting because Apple's doing

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Speaker 6: this too. Apples strategy is a little bit different. They're

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Speaker 6: going to try and do as much processing as they

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Speaker 6: can on your device, which is why your new iPhone

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Speaker 6: has these, you know, especially design AI chips, and then

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Speaker 6: they go to the cloud and go into private mode

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Speaker 6: only when they need to where Metas strategy is, we're

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Speaker 6: going to do everything in the cloud, but hey, we're

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Speaker 6: going to try to keep this private where we can.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very good, Okay, Hey, thanks, Paul, appreciate your time.

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Speaker 3: That is our texpert, Paul Steenhouse. We're in the garden

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Speaker 3: before eleven o'clock right now, though it's eighteen minutes to eleven.

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Speaker 2: A little bit of way to kick off your weekend.

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Speaker 1: Then with Jack Saturday Mornings with Jack Tam and bepwured

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Speaker 3: It to eleven on your Saturday morning, and we're talking

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Speaker 3: personal finance with Ed McKnight from Opie's Partners this morning

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Speaker 3: and has this thing called an economists pay Routine and

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Speaker 3: alternative to budgeting that will help you budget, which seems

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Speaker 3: counterintuitive that he's here this morning.

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Speaker 18: Hey, ed, great to talk Peter Jack.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, great to speak with you. So run us through

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Speaker 3: your steps here, because this is really cunning. Basically that's

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Speaker 3: fair right, a way to budget without budgeting.

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Speaker 18: Well, the trouble is, if you ask pretty much any

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Speaker 18: New Zealander how do you get better with money? Everybody

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Speaker 18: would say got to do a budget, and probably ninety

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Speaker 18: nine percent of your your listeners, except for the accountants

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Speaker 18: out there, would probably be saying, yeah, we should budget.

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Speaker 18: But most people don't except for those accountants. And so

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Speaker 18: despite the fact that we all know we probably should

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Speaker 18: be keeping better track of where our money's going, most

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Speaker 18: people don't. And so I think, rather than telling you

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Speaker 18: to do something that you're probably not going to do,

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Speaker 18: just start automating your money. And what I mean by

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Speaker 18: that is put it into some buckets. And probably the

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Speaker 18: best system I've seen comes from Australian guy called the

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Speaker 18: Barefoot Investor. And what he basically says is take sixty

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Speaker 18: percent of your pay. It doesn't matter how much you

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Speaker 18: get paid. Everybody can do the sixty percent of the

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Speaker 18: pay that's going to be on what he calls your

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Speaker 18: blove account. So just every day standard living, your rates

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Speaker 18: and all of that stuff you've just got to pay for.

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Speaker 18: Right then we take a small amount of it, call

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Speaker 18: it ten percent. That's just for your little splurges, and

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Speaker 18: you should just automatically transfer it. And you can set

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Speaker 18: this up automatic transfer across to an account called your

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Speaker 18: splurge account. That's for your coffees or your movie tickets,

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Speaker 18: anything fun you want to do over the weekend. We

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Speaker 18: can have a little allowance as well that he calls smile,

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Speaker 18: that'll be ten percent. That's for your holiday savings. Will

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Speaker 18: say that it's to birthday presents. But here's the really

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Speaker 18: important one. We want to also be automatically transferring twenty

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01:09:47,213 --> 01:09:50,413
Speaker 18: percent of our pay whatever's left over, that's going to

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Speaker 18: be our fire extinguisher. Now we can use that to either.

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Speaker 3: Well are you there ed? Oh sorry here, yeah, we

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01:10:00,933 --> 01:10:03,333
Speaker 3: lost you for just a second. How so go It's

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Speaker 3: called a fire extinguisher account.

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Speaker 18: The fire extinguisher. So we can take twenty percent of

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Speaker 18: our pay. We're going to put that against credit cards

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01:10:09,693 --> 01:10:13,453
Speaker 18: or personal loans any high interest here or also savings

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01:10:13,493 --> 01:10:16,853
Speaker 18: and or property or investments or shares whatever it happens

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Speaker 18: to be, and that's how we're going to get ahead financially.

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Speaker 18: And the main thing I encourage people to do is

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01:10:22,413 --> 01:10:25,013
Speaker 18: automate their money so they don't have to think about it.

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Speaker 18: Because if you've got to think about a can need

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01:10:27,413 --> 01:10:30,773
Speaker 18: to transfer this amount of money into into a movie budget,

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Speaker 18: orm coffee account, and I've got to transfer twenty percent

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Speaker 18: into savings and investments. You have to make that decision

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Speaker 18: every single week or fortnite or month that you get paid,

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Speaker 18: and it's really important if you automate it, you only

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Speaker 18: have to make that decision once. So I often encourage people,

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Speaker 18: whether you want to invest in shares, whether you want

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Speaker 18: to invest in property, set up that account and just

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Speaker 18: make it an automatic habit so you don't have to

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Speaker 18: think about it every single time. Now I do this

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Speaker 18: myself my accounts, and if I logged into an ASB

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Speaker 18: account and showed you today, Jack, they are called blow,

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Speaker 18: they are called smile, they called spillurgs, they called fire extentisher.

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Speaker 18: And this has changed my money life. I used to

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Speaker 18: be horredic with money, and as soon as I started

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Speaker 18: using a system like this, that has completely changed. Because

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Speaker 18: I'm not one of those people who is going to

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Speaker 18: have a spreadsheet and account for every single dollar of

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01:11:20,973 --> 01:11:21,773
Speaker 18: where it's going to go.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're really onto something here. My sister

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Speaker 3: does exactly this. Her and my brother in law have

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Speaker 3: this where they have the different accounts and just everything's

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Speaker 3: automated and so, like you said, they're able to kind

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Speaker 3: of keep on top of things and they engage with

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Speaker 3: their money, but it's all automated, so they're not at

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Speaker 3: the start of every month kind of meticulously going through everything.

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Speaker 3: And it just seems like it's a really kind of

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Speaker 3: effective mechanism. And also there's a simple way of just

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Speaker 3: taking advantage of the benefits of, you know, banking in

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Speaker 3: a digital world day, Like it's easy to set up

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Speaker 3: an account called a splurge account, it's easy to set

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Speaker 3: up an account called a fire extinguisher account. This isn't

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Speaker 3: too complex.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, And the thing is, you get some funny looks

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01:11:58,693 --> 01:12:01,333
Speaker 18: when you go and apply to get a mortgage. But

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Speaker 18: it's really interesting the people who do this. They give

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01:12:05,053 --> 01:12:07,133
Speaker 18: you a little smile when they they look at what

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01:12:07,133 --> 01:12:09,093
Speaker 18: your accounts are called and they go, oh, I know

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Speaker 18: what you're doing here. And one other fascinating thing there

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Speaker 18: was A really great study I always talk about comes

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Speaker 18: from the University of Chicago and what a guy called

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Speaker 18: Richard Saylor came out with this idea that mental accounting matters.

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Speaker 18: And what he basically said is, look, you could come

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Speaker 18: up with a spreadsheet, you could particulously decide where every

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01:12:26,733 --> 01:12:31,413
Speaker 18: cent and dollar goes. But what works almost exactly as

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01:12:31,413 --> 01:12:34,733
Speaker 18: well is just having these little mental rules of thumb.

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01:12:34,813 --> 01:12:36,413
Speaker 18: Now you don't have to use the one that our

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01:12:36,653 --> 01:12:41,253
Speaker 18: I outlined today. Another common one is fifty thirty twenty,

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01:12:41,293 --> 01:12:43,733
Speaker 18: Fifty percent of your money goes to needs, thirty percent

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Speaker 18: goes to once, twenty percent goes to long term savings

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01:12:47,253 --> 01:12:51,213
Speaker 18: or paying down debt, whatever the numbers work out for you.

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Speaker 18: I encourage people to speak to their partner or to

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Speaker 18: themselves if that single, and just be like, okay, what

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Speaker 18: are those percentages going to be? Set up? Those three

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01:12:58,453 --> 01:13:01,453
Speaker 18: or four accounts have some different cards for them potentially,

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01:13:01,733 --> 01:13:04,293
Speaker 18: and just automate that money so you can start keeping

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01:13:04,333 --> 01:13:05,853
Speaker 18: it on top of it. Now, if you want to

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01:13:05,893 --> 01:13:08,093
Speaker 18: go whole hog and come up with a spreadsheet and

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Speaker 18: budget it to your as far as you can to

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01:13:10,813 --> 01:13:13,733
Speaker 18: your heart's content, that's perfectly fine. But this is a

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Speaker 18: really practical easy way that people can get get started

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Speaker 18: and five or ten minutes logging into their banking app.

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Speaker 3: Love your work here, fantastic, Thank you so much. That's

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Speaker 3: Ed McKnight from Opie's Partners with us. This morning. We'll

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Speaker 3: put all of his advice up on the website. Of course.

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Speaker 3: Right now it is ten to eleven. We're in the garden.

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01:13:30,373 --> 01:13:35,013
Speaker 1: Next gardening with steel shaft free autumn upgrades on Still's

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Speaker 1: best sellers.

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Speaker 3: Rude Climb pass is here with us this morning.

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Speaker 5: Kilder, Good morning, Jack. I'm not in the garden today.

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01:13:41,973 --> 01:13:44,853
Speaker 5: I'm at coh Order Perk in Perpetoytoy. What do you

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01:13:44,893 --> 01:13:45,413
Speaker 5: think about that?

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01:13:45,573 --> 01:13:45,733
Speaker 2: Oh?

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01:13:45,853 --> 01:13:46,853
Speaker 3: Very good? What are you doing there?

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01:13:47,653 --> 01:13:50,293
Speaker 5: Well, when you get sowing people and kids coming for

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01:13:50,493 --> 01:13:55,573
Speaker 5: walks and doing all sorts of stuff, we're going to.

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Speaker 3: Just once in my life. I'm not hoping for this

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01:13:58,373 --> 01:13:59,853
Speaker 3: to happen, but we're going to call you and we're

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01:13:59,893 --> 01:14:01,693
Speaker 3: going to say, rude climb passes in the garden and

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01:14:01,773 --> 01:14:03,533
Speaker 3: you say you're going to say, no, I'm in a

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01:14:03,613 --> 01:14:06,613
Speaker 3: large I'm in a multi story concrete car park or

1440
01:14:06,653 --> 01:14:07,373
Speaker 3: something like that.

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01:14:08,653 --> 01:14:17,213
Speaker 5: I think that's happened once. Remember, Yeah, No, it wasn't anyway.

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01:14:17,173 --> 01:14:20,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, been a bit of a wild week nation wide

1443
01:14:20,293 --> 01:14:21,853
Speaker 3: with the weather. But it is this time of year,

1444
01:14:21,893 --> 01:14:24,693
Speaker 3: of course, that we need to start getting organized for

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01:14:24,773 --> 01:14:28,013
Speaker 3: a few bits and pieces in a few months time.

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01:14:28,173 --> 01:14:29,373
Speaker 3: And you're just going to run us through some of

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01:14:29,413 --> 01:14:30,933
Speaker 3: those things we should be prioritizing.

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01:14:31,693 --> 01:14:33,613
Speaker 5: Well, that's one of the things. And we talked about

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01:14:33,613 --> 01:14:36,533
Speaker 5: it yesterday last week, and that was the peach leaf curl,

1450
01:14:36,573 --> 01:14:39,613
Speaker 5: and we talked about the fact that that becomes obvious

1451
01:14:39,693 --> 01:14:42,573
Speaker 5: in spring that six months away, and now is the

1452
01:14:42,653 --> 01:14:44,333
Speaker 5: time that you have to do something to get that

1453
01:14:44,453 --> 01:14:47,613
Speaker 5: peach leaf curl under control or do it stop it

1454
01:14:47,733 --> 01:14:51,413
Speaker 5: from doing anything nasty to your pitches at the moment.

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01:14:51,653 --> 01:14:54,213
Speaker 5: And we talked about it last week, the double gloss

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01:14:54,293 --> 01:14:56,933
Speaker 5: of copper right now when the leads are starting to

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01:14:56,933 --> 01:15:00,133
Speaker 5: fall off, because what you're doing is you're actually getting

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01:15:00,253 --> 01:15:03,733
Speaker 5: rid of the spores that are causing the trouble in

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01:15:03,813 --> 01:15:06,013
Speaker 5: sprint time. And you do it once and then three

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01:15:06,053 --> 01:15:08,173
Speaker 5: weeks you do the second time. In the way you go.

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01:15:08,333 --> 01:15:11,013
Speaker 5: But the question I got after our talk last week

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01:15:11,133 --> 01:15:15,373
Speaker 5: is does the copper spray debilitate the peaches and the nectarines,

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01:15:15,453 --> 01:15:18,093
Speaker 5: but as well and I said, no, they're not. They

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01:15:18,133 --> 01:15:23,253
Speaker 5: don't because it has no hassle. If you spray copper

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01:15:23,333 --> 01:15:26,733
Speaker 5: on an established leaf of a pitch, you have trouble

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01:15:26,773 --> 01:15:32,493
Speaker 5: because the leaf usually basically burns today not because now

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01:15:33,013 --> 01:15:40,213
Speaker 5: just before they drop the leaves, who cares, they're going anyway, right,

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01:15:40,973 --> 01:15:43,933
Speaker 5: And that's it. So here's another thing, and this is

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01:15:43,973 --> 01:15:46,773
Speaker 5: the thing that especially in the North Island, people are

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01:15:46,853 --> 01:15:50,093
Speaker 5: really peeved off about, and that is that the wonderful

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01:15:50,133 --> 01:15:54,133
Speaker 5: creature that is that each your citrus or actually bores

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Speaker 5: into your citrus. It's called the lemon tree borer. Yeah,

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01:16:00,093 --> 01:16:02,133
Speaker 5: it can do quite a bit of damage to your images,

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01:16:02,173 --> 01:16:05,093
Speaker 5: to be quite honest. And as I said, Nelson Glenn

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01:16:05,093 --> 01:16:07,653
Speaker 5: and North, let's up stuff. But here comes to thing

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01:16:07,733 --> 01:16:10,853
Speaker 5: a lot of people don't realize with the name lemon

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01:16:10,893 --> 01:16:14,493
Speaker 5: tree borer that it is not an introduced species of

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01:16:14,613 --> 01:16:17,213
Speaker 5: beetle of a long warn peotle. It has been near

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01:16:17,293 --> 01:16:21,413
Speaker 5: all its loft. And I reckon that creature was eating

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01:16:21,813 --> 01:16:24,493
Speaker 5: all sorts of native trees at this station, boring into

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01:16:24,573 --> 01:16:28,893
Speaker 5: native trees and still does. But I reckon when the

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01:16:28,893 --> 01:16:33,613
Speaker 5: citrus was literally taken into a museum by Sharmock Kemp

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01:16:34,013 --> 01:16:37,653
Speaker 5: Charlotte Kemp and keedry Kenny in eighteen nineteen. I reckon

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01:16:37,733 --> 01:16:41,813
Speaker 5: all the lementary borers were literally applauding on the stone

1485
01:16:41,853 --> 01:16:45,293
Speaker 5: storn wall because they had finally something decent to eat,

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01:16:46,773 --> 01:16:50,893
Speaker 5: and honestly they did. They got right into it. This

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01:16:51,053 --> 01:16:55,573
Speaker 5: is the thing because they love to lay their eggs

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01:16:55,653 --> 01:16:59,533
Speaker 5: on naked one that has been proved. For instance, you

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01:16:59,653 --> 01:17:02,373
Speaker 5: can do that in the spring and summertime when the

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01:17:02,413 --> 01:17:03,493
Speaker 5: borer are around.

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Speaker 8: But no, there are no borers at the moment because

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01:17:07,493 --> 01:17:11,253
Speaker 8: it's in autumn time. Now it's the time to literally

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01:17:11,413 --> 01:17:16,533
Speaker 8: prune your lemon trees, your sitters trees without that extra

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01:17:16,813 --> 01:17:20,173
Speaker 8: and so so this is the adventure tifting prune.

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01:17:20,253 --> 01:17:22,653
Speaker 5: And now that's means said, you don't have to deal

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Speaker 5: with later on and get all these rubbish things going on.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very good, Hey, thank you so much. Enjoy your

1498
01:17:28,093 --> 01:17:28,853
Speaker 3: time in Papaty.

1499
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Speaker 5: I might certainly do this.

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Speaker 3: Get you soon, Yeah, catch you very soon. That is

1501
01:17:33,173 --> 01:17:35,493
Speaker 3: rouge climb pass. Not quite in the garden for us,

1502
01:17:35,533 --> 01:17:38,373
Speaker 3: but the next best thing. This morning, right, it is

1503
01:17:38,373 --> 01:17:40,813
Speaker 3: just coming up to eleven o'clock on news talks, he'd

1504
01:17:40,853 --> 01:17:44,653
Speaker 3: be after eleven. Our travel correspondents. Well, he's been enjoying

1505
01:17:44,693 --> 01:17:48,733
Speaker 3: all sorts of exotic locations of late. He's going to

1506
01:17:48,733 --> 01:17:51,253
Speaker 3: take us all on a trip to Buddhapest, which is

1507
01:17:51,613 --> 01:17:54,213
Speaker 3: a very very interesting part of the world at the moment. Well,

1508
01:17:54,253 --> 01:17:56,013
Speaker 3: Hungary is very interesting part of the world. So yeah,

1509
01:17:56,053 --> 01:17:59,253
Speaker 3: looking forward to hearing about that. Our music reviewer is

1510
01:17:59,293 --> 01:18:02,853
Speaker 3: here as well with her thoughts on Dave Dobbin's upcoming

1511
01:18:02,893 --> 01:18:07,333
Speaker 3: show at Auckland's Town Hall and what tracks might dig

1512
01:18:07,373 --> 01:18:10,053
Speaker 3: out of the archive. He just has such an incredible

1513
01:18:10,053 --> 01:18:12,413
Speaker 3: back catalog to choose from away. I wonder if we'll

1514
01:18:12,413 --> 01:18:14,533
Speaker 3: put a few surprises in there, so she'll give us

1515
01:18:14,573 --> 01:18:16,893
Speaker 3: her thoughts on that. It's almost eleven o'clock. Don't use

1516
01:18:16,933 --> 01:18:19,253
Speaker 3: its Next you're reject Tame on News Talks, he'd be.

1517
01:18:22,053 --> 01:18:25,773
Speaker 1: Saturday mornings with Jack Tam keeping the conversation going through

1518
01:18:25,813 --> 01:18:28,693
Speaker 1: the weekend with bpure Dot cot on in here for

1519
01:18:28,853 --> 01:18:30,173
Speaker 1: high quality supplements.

1520
01:18:30,293 --> 01:18:31,133
Speaker 2: Used Talks, he'd be.

1521
01:18:54,293 --> 01:18:56,293
Speaker 3: More you know, if you're just turning on the radio

1522
01:18:56,373 --> 01:18:59,013
Speaker 3: this morning with Jack Tame through the twelve o'clock on

1523
01:18:59,093 --> 01:19:02,373
Speaker 3: News Talks, he'd be Election Day in Australia today, Oh

1524
01:19:02,653 --> 01:19:05,453
Speaker 3: too hot. The like politics in New Zealand can be dramatic,

1525
01:19:05,533 --> 01:19:08,813
Speaker 3: with politics in Australia is tic. It's going to be

1526
01:19:08,933 --> 01:19:11,293
Speaker 3: very interesting to see how things unfold today. So obviously,

1527
01:19:11,333 --> 01:19:14,893
Speaker 3: the polls are suggesting that Anthony Albert Easy and his

1528
01:19:15,013 --> 01:19:17,733
Speaker 3: Labor Party are in a stronger position than they have

1529
01:19:17,853 --> 01:19:19,613
Speaker 3: been for quite some time. I mean a lot of

1530
01:19:19,653 --> 01:19:21,453
Speaker 3: people are putting this down to the kind of Trump

1531
01:19:21,613 --> 01:19:25,773
Speaker 3: phenomenon that seems to be benefiting center left politicians that

1532
01:19:25,773 --> 01:19:27,933
Speaker 3: are currently in government. Anyway, you can look at Canada

1533
01:19:27,933 --> 01:19:29,693
Speaker 3: and you can look at Australia and say that both

1534
01:19:30,413 --> 01:19:34,693
Speaker 3: Mark Carney in Canada and Albanese's Labor have probably benefited

1535
01:19:34,733 --> 01:19:37,093
Speaker 3: from the Trump presidency so far. I think they've probably

1536
01:19:37,093 --> 01:19:41,413
Speaker 3: also benefited from what's been a pretty poor campaign from

1537
01:19:41,493 --> 01:19:44,213
Speaker 3: the Liberals and from Peter Dutton in Australia so far.

1538
01:19:44,653 --> 01:19:47,013
Speaker 3: So how things likely to do unfold today, Well, the

1539
01:19:47,053 --> 01:19:51,613
Speaker 3: polls close at six pm Eastern Time in Australia. That's

1540
01:19:51,613 --> 01:19:55,213
Speaker 3: when they begin closing, and obviously they remain open for

1541
01:19:55,253 --> 01:19:58,973
Speaker 3: a few hours after that to allow for the West

1542
01:19:58,973 --> 01:20:02,013
Speaker 3: Coast for voters in Western Australia to cast their ballots.

1543
01:20:02,413 --> 01:20:05,013
Speaker 3: They have had early voting open for some time in

1544
01:20:05,013 --> 01:20:08,933
Speaker 3: Australia so far. However, for whatever reason, the rules in

1545
01:20:08,973 --> 01:20:12,533
Speaker 3: Australia mean that they can't count those early votes until

1546
01:20:12,573 --> 01:20:16,413
Speaker 3: the polls close. They are, however, allowed to prepare some

1547
01:20:16,453 --> 01:20:19,653
Speaker 3: of those votes, so the polling workers can go and

1548
01:20:19,693 --> 01:20:22,453
Speaker 3: get the millions of early votes that have already been cast.

1549
01:20:22,973 --> 01:20:25,853
Speaker 3: They can prepare them like they can unfold them, but

1550
01:20:25,933 --> 01:20:29,373
Speaker 3: they can't start counting them until the polls close. So

1551
01:20:29,573 --> 01:20:33,573
Speaker 3: there's that little curiosities about election election rules and election

1552
01:20:33,653 --> 01:20:36,413
Speaker 3: laws in Australia. So they can start unfolding them at

1553
01:20:36,413 --> 01:20:38,453
Speaker 3: four o'clock. It means that they will be able to

1554
01:20:38,493 --> 01:20:41,853
Speaker 3: process the votes faster than the votes that have been

1555
01:20:41,893 --> 01:20:44,413
Speaker 3: cast today or the ballots that have been cast today,

1556
01:20:44,413 --> 01:20:46,973
Speaker 3: but it's still it's not like, you know, six oh

1557
01:20:47,093 --> 01:20:50,933
Speaker 3: one Australian Eastern time. They're immediately going to have immediately

1558
01:20:50,973 --> 01:20:52,973
Speaker 3: going to have the results. Of course. The other thing,

1559
01:20:53,453 --> 01:20:56,293
Speaker 3: the other kind of dynamic at play in Australia is

1560
01:20:56,293 --> 01:20:59,773
Speaker 3: that they have a preferential voting system. So you come

1561
01:20:59,773 --> 01:21:01,533
Speaker 3: in and you say, you kind of list your candidate.

1562
01:21:01,573 --> 01:21:03,253
Speaker 3: It's one by one. You say, this's my favorite, there's

1563
01:21:03,253 --> 01:21:05,773
Speaker 3: my second favorite, there's my third favorite, and they have

1564
01:21:05,773 --> 01:21:10,293
Speaker 3: compulsory in Australia, which also means the results are a

1565
01:21:10,293 --> 01:21:12,653
Speaker 3: little bit different than you might expect in other countries

1566
01:21:12,693 --> 01:21:16,893
Speaker 3: where there are bigger demographic qualities at play. So you

1567
01:21:16,893 --> 01:21:19,253
Speaker 3: can say, for example that oh, well, this politician or

1568
01:21:19,293 --> 01:21:22,373
Speaker 3: this party, this platform might be popular with younger voters,

1569
01:21:22,693 --> 01:21:25,533
Speaker 3: but then younger voters don't necessarily vote in the same

1570
01:21:25,613 --> 01:21:30,373
Speaker 3: numbers as older voters. The non voting factor isn't quite

1571
01:21:30,373 --> 01:21:32,653
Speaker 3: the issue in Australia than it might be in other countries.

1572
01:21:32,773 --> 01:21:35,053
Speaker 3: So anyway, all of that is to say, fascinating day

1573
01:21:35,333 --> 01:21:37,013
Speaker 3: in Australia today. I got lots of mates over there

1574
01:21:37,053 --> 01:21:40,173
Speaker 3: who are very very keenly watching those results and they

1575
01:21:40,213 --> 01:21:42,533
Speaker 3: sort of turn it into an event. You know, they

1576
01:21:42,533 --> 01:21:44,413
Speaker 3: have a sausage. You know, everyone goes and cast their

1577
01:21:44,453 --> 01:21:47,173
Speaker 3: ballot and then gets a sausage to celebrate election day

1578
01:21:47,173 --> 01:21:49,893
Speaker 3: and celebrate democracy. So yeah, looking forward to the results

1579
01:21:49,933 --> 01:21:53,533
Speaker 3: coming in tonight. It seems pretty likely more likely than

1580
01:21:53,573 --> 01:21:55,733
Speaker 3: not that we would have a result by midnight New

1581
01:21:55,813 --> 01:21:59,453
Speaker 3: Zealand time, but it might be tomorrow until the exact

1582
01:21:59,493 --> 01:22:01,973
Speaker 3: shape of the government becomes clear, especially if they need

1583
01:22:02,013 --> 01:22:04,293
Speaker 3: to form a coalition or it's a minority government or

1584
01:22:04,293 --> 01:22:07,853
Speaker 3: something like that. Anyway, coming up before a day on

1585
01:22:07,893 --> 01:22:09,493
Speaker 3: news talks, he'd be We're going to catch up with

1586
01:22:09,493 --> 01:22:12,653
Speaker 3: our music reviewer Stell Clifford, who is looking at Dave

1587
01:22:12,693 --> 01:22:16,053
Speaker 3: Dobbin's back catalog and trying to pick what the master

1588
01:22:16,213 --> 01:22:18,693
Speaker 3: is going to be playing when he plays this one

1589
01:22:18,733 --> 01:22:21,893
Speaker 3: off show at Auckland's town Hall next month. Cannot wait

1590
01:22:21,933 --> 01:22:24,373
Speaker 3: for that as well as that. Our travel correspondent is

1591
01:22:24,413 --> 01:22:27,173
Speaker 3: taking us to Hungary and a few of his highlights

1592
01:22:27,213 --> 01:22:30,253
Speaker 3: in Buddapest this hour. Right now, though it is ten

1593
01:22:30,333 --> 01:22:33,613
Speaker 3: past eleven, Jack Team time to catch up with our

1594
01:22:33,613 --> 01:22:37,853
Speaker 3: sustainability commentator Kate Hall is with us this morning looking

1595
01:22:37,893 --> 01:22:41,133
Speaker 3: at her top tips for a sustainable Mother's Day. Gelder Kate,

1596
01:22:42,013 --> 01:22:44,373
Speaker 3: good morning. It's always a bit tricky. I you know,

1597
01:22:44,493 --> 01:22:47,013
Speaker 3: my well, mom says she never wants us to spend

1598
01:22:47,013 --> 01:22:49,293
Speaker 3: crazy amounts of money on her. Everyone says that, don't

1599
01:22:49,293 --> 01:22:51,453
Speaker 3: they But nah, I think I think Mum's legit about that.

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01:22:51,493 --> 01:22:54,453
Speaker 3: But actually coming up with a few sustainable options for

1601
01:22:54,533 --> 01:22:57,373
Speaker 3: Mother's Day is you know, a nice way to mark

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01:22:57,413 --> 01:23:00,093
Speaker 3: the day, show mum you love her, remember her on

1603
01:23:00,133 --> 01:23:03,453
Speaker 3: a special day, but also, you know, do what's maybe

1604
01:23:03,573 --> 01:23:05,693
Speaker 3: right by your bank account and right by the earth.

1605
01:23:05,693 --> 01:23:07,373
Speaker 3: And you've got a few little top tips for us

1606
01:23:07,413 --> 01:23:09,893
Speaker 3: this morning. So let's start off with your eco friendly gifts.

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01:23:10,933 --> 01:23:14,253
Speaker 19: Yeah, so if you're I'm all about experiences and time

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01:23:14,333 --> 01:23:17,293
Speaker 19: because I think actually mums do actually mean it, you

1609
01:23:17,333 --> 01:23:19,973
Speaker 19: know when they say don't spend money, because time is

1610
01:23:20,053 --> 01:23:22,853
Speaker 19: usually the most scarce resource for us. You know, they

1611
01:23:22,933 --> 01:23:25,973
Speaker 19: literally they miss us. They want to spend time and

1612
01:23:26,293 --> 01:23:30,613
Speaker 19: do something together rather than be thrown another scented candle.

1613
01:23:31,373 --> 01:23:35,093
Speaker 19: But if your mum is someone who does like things,

1614
01:23:35,093 --> 01:23:38,813
Speaker 19: well maybe there's something that she particularly needs. Three of

1615
01:23:38,853 --> 01:23:41,533
Speaker 19: my kind of favorite sustainable gifts that I've seen around

1616
01:23:41,573 --> 01:23:45,813
Speaker 19: the place. There's washbags made from well here in New

1617
01:23:45,893 --> 01:23:49,053
Speaker 19: Zealand by Honest Wolf, and you get them even embroidered

1618
01:23:49,173 --> 01:23:52,333
Speaker 19: with that your mum's names and it's pretty, that's pretty lovely.

1619
01:23:53,053 --> 01:23:56,253
Speaker 19: Nuin socks so they're possum socks. They're so my favorite

1620
01:23:56,373 --> 01:23:59,453
Speaker 19: during winter, I know that my mum loves a cozy

1621
01:23:59,453 --> 01:24:03,053
Speaker 19: pair of socks and a loyal workshop. Leather wallets made

1622
01:24:03,053 --> 01:24:05,653
Speaker 19: by women who are taken out of the sex traffick

1623
01:24:05,733 --> 01:24:10,933
Speaker 19: king district in India and have great jobs making all

1624
01:24:10,973 --> 01:24:14,293
Speaker 19: these wonderful leather goods. So those are three kind of

1625
01:24:14,573 --> 01:24:16,813
Speaker 19: main items that for me. When I was looking around,

1626
01:24:16,853 --> 01:24:19,773
Speaker 19: I was like, yeah, these are these are handy, they're useful,

1627
01:24:20,133 --> 01:24:23,453
Speaker 19: they're personable, they're made sustainably. But I do have a

1628
01:24:23,533 --> 01:24:26,733
Speaker 19: directory ethically Kate dot com where there's like all of

1629
01:24:26,773 --> 01:24:28,773
Speaker 19: these different I was just looking through it this morning,

1630
01:24:29,053 --> 01:24:34,213
Speaker 19: inspiring myself with gifts to think, yeah, like what these

1631
01:24:34,253 --> 01:24:37,093
Speaker 19: are all the sustainable brands in New Zealand that most

1632
01:24:37,133 --> 01:24:39,573
Speaker 19: of them have like different Mother's Day kind of sales

1633
01:24:39,613 --> 01:24:41,813
Speaker 19: and stuff too. So if you if you're going for

1634
01:24:41,853 --> 01:24:45,013
Speaker 19: a physical gift, think about those types of things and

1635
01:24:45,053 --> 01:24:46,973
Speaker 19: then don't you don't need to wrap them or get

1636
01:24:46,973 --> 01:24:50,813
Speaker 19: wrapping paper anything. Just use a there's so many beautiful

1637
01:24:50,813 --> 01:24:54,133
Speaker 19: scarfs at second hand shops, or if you have kids,

1638
01:24:54,573 --> 01:24:57,853
Speaker 19: use their old kind of paintings that they bring home

1639
01:24:57,933 --> 01:25:01,013
Speaker 19: from from kindy or whatever, or get them to you know,

1640
01:25:01,453 --> 01:25:03,613
Speaker 19: scribble on a scrap piece of paper and it can

1641
01:25:03,653 --> 01:25:04,893
Speaker 19: look pretty beautiful.

1642
01:25:05,653 --> 01:25:06,173
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1643
01:25:07,053 --> 01:25:09,653
Speaker 3: I'm always a fan of you know specially I mean,

1644
01:25:09,693 --> 01:25:12,933
Speaker 3: my mum is such a keen gardener. But like flowers

1645
01:25:13,053 --> 01:25:15,973
Speaker 3: or plants are quite a quite a nice little option too.

1646
01:25:16,733 --> 01:25:20,933
Speaker 19: Totally and I love that you say like plants, because

1647
01:25:21,453 --> 01:25:24,013
Speaker 19: you know, flowers and a bundle that's really lovely and

1648
01:25:24,093 --> 01:25:26,253
Speaker 19: especially if you get it from somewhere it's locally grown,

1649
01:25:26,333 --> 01:25:29,053
Speaker 19: but it's also not you know, it's kind of not

1650
01:25:29,093 --> 01:25:30,133
Speaker 19: going to last super.

1651
01:25:29,933 --> 01:25:33,613
Speaker 3: Long, so very extensive, yeah, can I know.

1652
01:25:33,653 --> 01:25:36,453
Speaker 19: And a pot plant can actually sometimes be cheaper, you know,

1653
01:25:36,613 --> 01:25:39,693
Speaker 19: like if you went to a local kind of nursery

1654
01:25:39,813 --> 01:25:43,213
Speaker 19: and got a plant and I just added something special

1655
01:25:43,213 --> 01:25:47,533
Speaker 19: to it, like an little woven thing around the part ure,

1656
01:25:48,013 --> 01:25:50,933
Speaker 19: just just something that's probably actually cheaper than you know,

1657
01:25:51,013 --> 01:25:54,173
Speaker 19: like an eighty dollars bunch of flowers that may last

1658
01:25:54,253 --> 01:25:57,173
Speaker 19: seven days. So that's yeah, that's a great one too.

1659
01:25:57,213 --> 01:26:00,653
Speaker 19: But like for me, my mum, she really is about

1660
01:26:01,013 --> 01:26:03,533
Speaker 19: the outdoors and would love to be outside and doing

1661
01:26:03,533 --> 01:26:07,813
Speaker 19: stuff with her family. So that's more about like, hey mom,

1662
01:26:07,893 --> 01:26:10,893
Speaker 19: for Mother's Day, we'll take you on a bushwalk, make

1663
01:26:10,933 --> 01:26:12,933
Speaker 19: a picnic. You know, maybe that's where you spend your

1664
01:26:12,933 --> 01:26:16,053
Speaker 19: money is on like the lovely food, and you're putting

1665
01:26:16,093 --> 01:26:18,733
Speaker 19: time and thought into it. And I think these days, especially,

1666
01:26:19,373 --> 01:26:21,853
Speaker 19: you know, people just throwing money at it, buy a

1667
01:26:21,893 --> 01:26:26,013
Speaker 19: nice card and like move on. But actually mothers there's

1668
01:26:26,053 --> 01:26:29,773
Speaker 19: such a and mother figures in our lives. Yeah, they

1669
01:26:30,133 --> 01:26:33,413
Speaker 19: deserve to just if you can prioritize them and prioritize

1670
01:26:33,413 --> 01:26:35,933
Speaker 19: your time, that can mean just the entire world.

1671
01:26:36,093 --> 01:26:38,893
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And like you say, like it's an experience,

1672
01:26:38,933 --> 01:26:40,733
Speaker 3: you're kind of creating a memory there as well, which

1673
01:26:40,973 --> 01:26:44,733
Speaker 3: as always so special. If you are getting together and

1674
01:26:44,773 --> 01:26:48,773
Speaker 3: doing the kind of bushwalking picnic thing, you would obviously

1675
01:26:48,773 --> 01:26:51,933
Speaker 3: want us to be using, you know, not avoiding plastic

1676
01:26:51,933 --> 01:26:53,613
Speaker 3: pates and heaps of rubbish and that kind of thing.

1677
01:26:54,213 --> 01:26:56,613
Speaker 19: Totally. Yeah, it would be ironic if you were to

1678
01:26:56,653 --> 01:26:58,373
Speaker 19: sit out in a bush walk on a picnic and

1679
01:26:58,413 --> 01:27:00,613
Speaker 19: then have a whole lot of rubbish around you have

1680
01:27:00,653 --> 01:27:03,173
Speaker 19: to take home, So it is easier and also lighter

1681
01:27:03,253 --> 01:27:07,293
Speaker 19: if you are walking through a bush to Yeah, some

1682
01:27:08,173 --> 01:27:13,893
Speaker 19: simple containers reuse if you're reusing a reasonable plastic bags,

1683
01:27:13,893 --> 01:27:15,733
Speaker 19: a plot bag, those can be really great. They're really

1684
01:27:15,773 --> 01:27:18,773
Speaker 19: light and you can wash them use them again. So yeah,

1685
01:27:18,813 --> 01:27:23,053
Speaker 19: think about what you're taking or your items. And reasonable nepkins,

1686
01:27:23,293 --> 01:27:25,333
Speaker 19: which I just love. I think they're so much more

1687
01:27:25,333 --> 01:27:27,733
Speaker 19: classy as well. That's what I'll be doing for my

1688
01:27:27,853 --> 01:27:32,413
Speaker 19: mum is having a brunch and yeah, reasonable netkins, just

1689
01:27:32,733 --> 01:27:34,933
Speaker 19: normal plates and all sorts of things. But if you

1690
01:27:34,933 --> 01:27:37,493
Speaker 19: are having a bigger gathering I know some people do

1691
01:27:37,613 --> 01:27:40,493
Speaker 19: for Mother's Day, get together with a whole bunch of family,

1692
01:27:40,973 --> 01:27:44,173
Speaker 19: then yeah, think about that as well. I you know,

1693
01:27:44,253 --> 01:27:47,413
Speaker 19: you can get knives and forks and plates and all

1694
01:27:47,453 --> 01:27:50,453
Speaker 19: sorts for you know, fifty cents at up stops if

1695
01:27:50,493 --> 01:27:53,413
Speaker 19: you do need to cater for a bigger range of people,

1696
01:27:53,573 --> 01:27:55,533
Speaker 19: And that can actually save your money in the long

1697
01:27:55,613 --> 01:27:57,933
Speaker 19: term too. If you just have that stash of things,

1698
01:27:57,973 --> 01:28:00,013
Speaker 19: you're not having to buy disposals all the time for

1699
01:28:00,013 --> 01:28:00,613
Speaker 19: big events.

1700
01:28:00,693 --> 01:28:02,813
Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes sense. And like if you are seeing

1701
01:28:02,893 --> 01:28:05,133
Speaker 3: mama car even just doing something digitally or seeing like

1702
01:28:05,133 --> 01:28:08,573
Speaker 3: a video message or something be quite nicely totally. Yeah.

1703
01:28:08,613 --> 01:28:11,533
Speaker 19: I love it when you know people maybe overseas, right

1704
01:28:11,693 --> 01:28:15,693
Speaker 19: or maybe mums in another country and actually, yeah, creating

1705
01:28:15,733 --> 01:28:18,133
Speaker 19: and thinking about a clever video to put together maybe

1706
01:28:18,173 --> 01:28:21,053
Speaker 19: with your siblings or like the rest of your family,

1707
01:28:21,173 --> 01:28:24,413
Speaker 19: that could be such a laugh and something that she

1708
01:28:24,493 --> 01:28:27,293
Speaker 19: can keep and keep looking at rather than a card

1709
01:28:27,333 --> 01:28:32,493
Speaker 19: that just says something like happy Mother's Day, move on it. Yeah,

1710
01:28:32,573 --> 01:28:34,973
Speaker 19: it can show again, it's showing that time and thought

1711
01:28:35,373 --> 01:28:38,693
Speaker 19: and I think ye, especially these days people are just

1712
01:28:38,973 --> 01:28:42,853
Speaker 19: running around so kind of busy that that really, yeah,

1713
01:28:42,933 --> 01:28:44,253
Speaker 19: shows how much you love your mum.

1714
01:28:44,413 --> 01:28:46,813
Speaker 3: Ah so good, Hey, thank you very much. Kay, appreciate that.

1715
01:28:46,893 --> 01:28:48,693
Speaker 3: We'll put all of your tips there up on the

1716
01:28:48,693 --> 01:28:51,533
Speaker 3: newstalksz'd be websites so people who are scrambling for Mother's

1717
01:28:51,613 --> 01:28:54,733
Speaker 3: Day next weekend can get themselves sorted. And of course

1718
01:28:54,773 --> 01:28:57,093
Speaker 3: you can find Kate on the social media platforms. Just

1719
01:28:57,173 --> 01:28:59,613
Speaker 3: look up ethically Kate and you'll be able to track

1720
01:28:59,653 --> 01:29:02,173
Speaker 3: her down. Jose took me an interesting email to say, Jack.

1721
01:29:02,213 --> 01:29:04,453
Speaker 3: I was a volunteer worker for the family Christmas Lunch

1722
01:29:04,453 --> 01:29:06,253
Speaker 3: that Auckland City Mission used to do at the Auckland

1723
01:29:06,493 --> 01:29:09,013
Speaker 3: Town Hall. One year, I reckon it was about nineteen

1724
01:29:09,053 --> 01:29:12,453
Speaker 3: ninety five. Dave Dobbin performed on stage while lunch was

1725
01:29:12,493 --> 01:29:15,013
Speaker 3: being served. I think Big Wronger was another performer at

1726
01:29:15,013 --> 01:29:17,693
Speaker 3: the time, so not quite a paid concert performance, but

1727
01:29:17,813 --> 01:29:21,093
Speaker 3: close enough. Dave also came to Puck, a tour island

1728
01:29:21,093 --> 01:29:24,173
Speaker 3: resort with the Dudes and performed the weekend that the

1729
01:29:24,173 --> 01:29:27,213
Speaker 3: island hosted the Auckland Boat Show in nineteen eighty eight,

1730
01:29:27,213 --> 01:29:31,453
Speaker 3: which was a memorable concert by the Master So Okay,

1731
01:29:31,493 --> 01:29:34,933
Speaker 3: So we thought Joseph that Dave Dobbin had never played

1732
01:29:34,933 --> 01:29:37,693
Speaker 3: the Auckland Town Hall. So I wonder how never that

1733
01:29:37,733 --> 01:29:40,053
Speaker 3: never is. You know, maybe there are a couple of exceptions.

1734
01:29:40,093 --> 01:29:42,853
Speaker 3: Maybe it's like never played the Auckland Town Hall in

1735
01:29:42,893 --> 01:29:45,333
Speaker 3: a paid concert, or never headlined a concert at the

1736
01:29:45,333 --> 01:29:47,853
Speaker 3: Auckland Tatle or something like that. We'll have to double check,

1737
01:29:47,893 --> 01:29:50,613
Speaker 3: but thank you very much for those memories. Ninety two

1738
01:29:50,733 --> 01:29:52,533
Speaker 3: ninety two is our text number if you want to

1739
01:29:52,573 --> 01:29:54,253
Speaker 3: send me a message to this hour, or you can

1740
01:29:54,293 --> 01:29:57,493
Speaker 3: email me like Joseph did Jacket Newstalks. He'd beat dot

1741
01:29:57,493 --> 01:30:00,853
Speaker 3: co dot nzied a travel correspondent that's taking us to

1742
01:30:00,893 --> 01:30:05,293
Speaker 3: Europe next put a pest in his eyeline eighteen past

1743
01:30:05,333 --> 01:30:07,733
Speaker 3: eleven Travel.

1744
01:30:07,453 --> 01:30:09,173
Speaker 14: With Windy Woo Tours Where the.

1745
01:30:09,133 --> 01:30:13,333
Speaker 3: World is yours for Mike Hadley's our travel corresponding. He's

1746
01:30:13,413 --> 01:30:15,013
Speaker 3: here this morning, killder, Mike.

1747
01:30:16,693 --> 01:30:18,653
Speaker 2: You know what a jack. I'm gazing out at Mount

1748
01:30:18,773 --> 01:30:21,373
Speaker 2: Haut through my window at the moment, and you would

1749
01:30:21,533 --> 01:30:25,773
Speaker 2: think mister Whoopy has gone berserk, because the whole spine

1750
01:30:25,813 --> 01:30:28,453
Speaker 2: of the Southern Alps has got quite the snow coat.

1751
01:30:28,773 --> 01:30:30,973
Speaker 2: But the well, are we the food of May for

1752
01:30:31,013 --> 01:30:31,853
Speaker 2: God's sair. Yeah.

1753
01:30:32,813 --> 01:30:35,053
Speaker 3: I was going to say very early for first, you know,

1754
01:30:35,333 --> 01:30:38,613
Speaker 3: for heavy snow, but I'm not surprised after this week.

1755
01:30:38,653 --> 01:30:40,093
Speaker 3: So I was sort of in your neck of the

1756
01:30:40,133 --> 01:30:45,093
Speaker 3: woods on Thursday and you know, you know, yeah, well no,

1757
01:30:45,133 --> 01:30:47,533
Speaker 3: I mean it was actually I was, I mean, always

1758
01:30:47,533 --> 01:30:49,453
Speaker 3: delighted to be in Canterbury, but I was driving. I

1759
01:30:49,493 --> 01:30:52,133
Speaker 3: was driving the stretch from a state hiow one from

1760
01:30:52,213 --> 01:30:55,013
Speaker 3: christ Rich south and you know, when you're usually heading south,

1761
01:30:55,053 --> 01:30:58,093
Speaker 3: you've kind of got nothing really on your left hand side,

1762
01:30:58,093 --> 01:30:59,653
Speaker 3: but on the right hand side, like you say, you've

1763
01:30:59,653 --> 01:31:02,133
Speaker 3: got the spine of the Southern Alps there. Yes, of course,

1764
01:31:02,173 --> 01:31:04,533
Speaker 3: on Thursday, in the throes of the storm, I couldn't

1765
01:31:04,533 --> 01:31:07,253
Speaker 3: see anything, get loads to see out of the window,

1766
01:31:08,013 --> 01:31:11,013
Speaker 3: but it was, according to the car thermometer, six degrees

1767
01:31:11,213 --> 01:31:13,733
Speaker 3: and the rain was falling very heavily. So I was

1768
01:31:14,053 --> 01:31:16,693
Speaker 3: looking out that right hand driver's side and thinking, you

1769
01:31:16,773 --> 01:31:19,813
Speaker 3: know what, Okay, maybe I can't see the Alps right now,

1770
01:31:19,853 --> 01:31:21,933
Speaker 3: but something tells me they're getting to be getting a

1771
01:31:21,933 --> 01:31:26,213
Speaker 3: fair bit of snow in this storm. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1772
01:31:26,333 --> 01:31:30,253
Speaker 3: that's particular. Please hear there are some upsides given what

1773
01:31:30,773 --> 01:31:33,533
Speaker 3: have been over the last few days. Anyway, we are

1774
01:31:33,573 --> 01:31:37,493
Speaker 3: turning our attentions slightly further afield this morning to put

1775
01:31:37,493 --> 01:31:40,453
Speaker 3: a pest in Hungary. And it is a very very

1776
01:31:40,493 --> 01:31:43,653
Speaker 3: interesting place to be right now, not only for historical

1777
01:31:43,733 --> 01:31:48,413
Speaker 3: reasons but for modern political reasons. Is Victor Auburn's influence noticeable?

1778
01:31:49,653 --> 01:31:52,613
Speaker 2: It's unmistakable. Yeah, it's been over a decade since I

1779
01:31:52,693 --> 01:31:55,853
Speaker 2: was last and brought a pesta, and all Ben's nationalist

1780
01:31:56,093 --> 01:31:59,093
Speaker 2: stripes are just ever present in the city. So the

1781
01:31:59,173 --> 01:32:02,013
Speaker 2: thing I really noticed a couple of weeks ago the flags.

1782
01:32:02,053 --> 01:32:08,013
Speaker 2: There's just these huge Hungarian flags at every turn, choose monuments,

1783
01:32:08,253 --> 01:32:13,613
Speaker 2: all sorts of splashy patriotism, just pervading Buddha pest. The

1784
01:32:13,733 --> 01:32:18,813
Speaker 2: money spent check on lighting up every landmark building in bridge,

1785
01:32:19,133 --> 01:32:23,053
Speaker 2: edging and crossing the Danube is astonishing. It's like Disneyland

1786
01:32:23,093 --> 01:32:27,493
Speaker 2: after dark. And Budapest. He's Europe's longest serving prime minister.

1787
01:32:27,893 --> 01:32:31,853
Speaker 2: He cleared Bapest of beggars. They are persona on grata.

1788
01:32:32,733 --> 01:32:36,493
Speaker 2: But I think his most extravagant splash has been on

1789
01:32:36,613 --> 01:32:40,453
Speaker 2: rebuilding the historic power base of Hungary, the Castle District,

1790
01:32:40,733 --> 01:32:44,093
Speaker 2: which is on the hills of Buddha. All of that, well,

1791
01:32:44,133 --> 01:32:46,253
Speaker 2: a lot of it was destroyed in World War Two,

1792
01:32:46,293 --> 01:32:51,613
Speaker 2: but it's now one of Europe's biggest historic reconstruction zones.

1793
01:32:51,653 --> 01:32:52,853
Speaker 2: It is just epic.

1794
01:32:53,013 --> 01:32:56,893
Speaker 3: How much is he spending on the restorations.

1795
01:32:56,413 --> 01:32:59,173
Speaker 2: Then, such a good question. No one really seems to know.

1796
01:32:59,373 --> 01:33:04,653
Speaker 2: It's a closely guarded secret. The total price tag, well

1797
01:33:04,813 --> 01:33:08,413
Speaker 2: you just just pick a number. But currently the building's

1798
01:33:08,493 --> 01:33:12,213
Speaker 2: currently being worked on. They come with a cost of

1799
01:33:12,293 --> 01:33:16,453
Speaker 2: three billion dollars, so I mean you can you can double, triple,

1800
01:33:16,733 --> 01:33:19,813
Speaker 2: quadruple that figure for the total price tag. But it's

1801
01:33:19,973 --> 01:33:24,053
Speaker 2: just extraordinary. So this castle district, it was previously like

1802
01:33:24,133 --> 01:33:28,133
Speaker 2: the power base of the the Habsburgs when Austria and

1803
01:33:28,213 --> 01:33:32,853
Speaker 2: Hungary got together. My guide, I think my guide summed

1804
01:33:32,893 --> 01:33:35,293
Speaker 2: it up best. As we sort of walked along all

1805
01:33:35,293 --> 01:33:39,173
Speaker 2: of these buildings being stored and reconstructed. My guide said,

1806
01:33:39,413 --> 01:33:43,973
Speaker 2: Auburn has an edifice complex, which it was such a

1807
01:33:44,013 --> 01:33:48,813
Speaker 2: great term. But yeah, under under the Habsburg monarchy, Jack,

1808
01:33:49,253 --> 01:33:55,293
Speaker 2: many of these castle fountains actually frothed with wine. No

1809
01:33:55,453 --> 01:33:57,453
Speaker 2: word as to whether that's been reinstated.

1810
01:33:59,693 --> 01:34:02,173
Speaker 3: I guess we'll find out. My goodness, Yeah, that's amazing.

1811
01:34:02,853 --> 01:34:05,973
Speaker 3: I mean, this is you know, an extraordinary Yeah, that's

1812
01:34:06,013 --> 01:34:08,293
Speaker 3: part of the has an extraordinary recent history, and there

1813
01:34:08,293 --> 01:34:10,333
Speaker 3: are some pretty sobering World War iiO history on the

1814
01:34:10,373 --> 01:34:11,533
Speaker 3: banks of the Danube.

1815
01:34:13,013 --> 01:34:17,173
Speaker 2: Yes, Hungary was a Nazi puppet before the Soviets called

1816
01:34:17,173 --> 01:34:20,093
Speaker 2: the shots post war. But just down from the Hungary Parliament,

1817
01:34:20,133 --> 01:34:24,493
Speaker 2: which is another beautiful building from the nineteenth century, the

1818
01:34:24,533 --> 01:34:29,413
Speaker 2: Schue Memorial man alive sixty pairs of bronze shoes and

1819
01:34:29,453 --> 01:34:31,533
Speaker 2: they're all in different shapes and sizes, and they just

1820
01:34:31,653 --> 01:34:34,613
Speaker 2: scattered along the edge of the river as if the

1821
01:34:34,613 --> 01:34:36,693
Speaker 2: owners of these shoes have just stepped out of them.

1822
01:34:36,733 --> 01:34:40,573
Speaker 2: It's in honor of the thousands of Hungarian Jews who

1823
01:34:40,573 --> 01:34:45,013
Speaker 2: were forced to remove their shoes before being shot on

1824
01:34:45,093 --> 01:34:48,413
Speaker 2: that site, and the reason being the shoes were actually

1825
01:34:48,413 --> 01:34:51,773
Speaker 2: a really valuable commodity during the war, so as their

1826
01:34:51,813 --> 01:34:55,413
Speaker 2: bodies floated away in the river, their shoes were being sold.

1827
01:34:55,693 --> 01:35:00,253
Speaker 2: And the simplicity of the Schu Memorial, it is profoundly moving.

1828
01:35:00,453 --> 01:35:03,853
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember seeing it there, and you know, I've seen,

1829
01:35:04,093 --> 01:35:06,173
Speaker 3: you know a few kind of memorials and things around Europe.

1830
01:35:06,453 --> 01:35:09,693
Speaker 3: I reckon that stands out as one of, if not

1831
01:35:09,693 --> 01:35:12,853
Speaker 3: the most kind of affecting memorials today. I can think

1832
01:35:12,893 --> 01:35:16,133
Speaker 3: of degree throughout that part. Yeah, it really is, you know,

1833
01:35:16,173 --> 01:35:20,093
Speaker 3: it really is affecting and moving. So yeah, totally your

1834
01:35:20,253 --> 01:35:23,653
Speaker 3: suggestion there. Did you try Hungary's locallysterol pork.

1835
01:35:25,173 --> 01:35:27,693
Speaker 2: Well, it sounds like a contradiction in tombs, doesn't it.

1836
01:35:28,133 --> 01:35:32,013
Speaker 2: Locally stroll porky pig and very high on Omega three,

1837
01:35:32,253 --> 01:35:35,733
Speaker 2: this one in Hungary. So yes, autra Felgutu went out

1838
01:35:35,733 --> 01:35:39,413
Speaker 2: to a place called Sheeeesel Winery on the outskirts of

1839
01:35:39,413 --> 01:35:43,413
Speaker 2: the city and their specialty dish is munga Litzer pig.

1840
01:35:43,813 --> 01:35:47,053
Speaker 2: So this is a locally strolled pork from a heritage

1841
01:35:47,093 --> 01:35:50,293
Speaker 2: breed of Hungarian pigs. And I've become the toast of

1842
01:35:50,333 --> 01:35:52,973
Speaker 2: a lot of gourmet restaurants in Europe. But the most

1843
01:35:53,053 --> 01:35:59,813
Speaker 2: unusual pigs they have really wally coolly here they look

1844
01:35:59,933 --> 01:36:05,133
Speaker 2: more like overgrown sheep than than pigs. And the mungo

1845
01:36:05,213 --> 01:36:08,813
Speaker 2: litzer is a lot darker than regular pork. It looks

1846
01:36:08,813 --> 01:36:12,733
Speaker 2: and tastes more like beef. It's cured and smoked and

1847
01:36:12,973 --> 01:36:14,733
Speaker 2: super tasty and very good for you.

1848
01:36:14,813 --> 01:36:18,573
Speaker 3: Apparently it is that he is not you know, it's

1849
01:36:18,613 --> 01:36:19,133
Speaker 3: not lacking.

1850
01:36:20,413 --> 01:36:22,213
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no at all. He just put a bit

1851
01:36:22,253 --> 01:36:24,053
Speaker 2: of paprika on it and life.

1852
01:36:23,973 --> 01:36:26,333
Speaker 3: Is good on how old. That's the one.

1853
01:36:27,773 --> 01:36:30,973
Speaker 2: Well I loved this one. Reject. She's was started by

1854
01:36:31,013 --> 01:36:34,893
Speaker 2: a German migrant family in the nineteenth century and the

1855
01:36:34,973 --> 01:36:38,053
Speaker 2: great grandson, Conrad she still he runs it today. But

1856
01:36:38,093 --> 01:36:41,053
Speaker 2: he told me this great story about how during World

1857
01:36:41,053 --> 01:36:44,653
Speaker 2: War Two his grandfather had his best friend who was Jewish,

1858
01:36:44,973 --> 01:36:49,133
Speaker 2: and his whole family in giant oak barrels at that

1859
01:36:49,253 --> 01:36:52,893
Speaker 2: winery to save their lives from the essays. And then

1860
01:36:52,973 --> 01:36:57,613
Speaker 2: about twelve years later, after the Communists took power, the

1861
01:36:57,653 --> 01:37:01,653
Speaker 2: winery was nationalized, but the Jewish friend's son had become

1862
01:37:01,693 --> 01:37:06,413
Speaker 2: a lawyer and actually convinced Hungary's leader to return the

1863
01:37:06,453 --> 01:37:10,973
Speaker 2: winery to the Shecheesel family. Isn't it the most amazing story? Yeah?

1864
01:37:11,053 --> 01:37:13,613
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, So what else is or where else is

1865
01:37:13,653 --> 01:37:16,573
Speaker 3: good for some sort of quintessential tastes and buta pests.

1866
01:37:17,293 --> 01:37:20,933
Speaker 2: Well, you may recall the big central market in town,

1867
01:37:21,053 --> 01:37:24,813
Speaker 2: so this is like grazing heaven, and it's still just

1868
01:37:25,053 --> 01:37:28,293
Speaker 2: the go to for a taste of budapests. So there

1869
01:37:28,293 --> 01:37:31,613
Speaker 2: are still hundreds of food stalls. Most of them are

1870
01:37:31,653 --> 01:37:34,453
Speaker 2: actually selling peasant dishes as they call it. You know,

1871
01:37:34,533 --> 01:37:39,413
Speaker 2: your goulesh soup and your langos, those fried flat breads,

1872
01:37:39,453 --> 01:37:42,773
Speaker 2: which probably is actually Hungary's best known street food. I

1873
01:37:42,813 --> 01:37:46,813
Speaker 2: reckon around the world Paprika, the spicy anca to all

1874
01:37:46,893 --> 01:37:50,213
Speaker 2: Hungarian cuisine. You will find it everywhere. I do love

1875
01:37:50,213 --> 01:37:53,213
Speaker 2: those paprika sauces, and I was very impressed to see

1876
01:37:53,253 --> 01:37:55,693
Speaker 2: despite the cost of living around the world, you can

1877
01:37:55,773 --> 01:37:59,653
Speaker 2: still get bangers and a beer combo at the Central

1878
01:37:59,733 --> 01:38:02,733
Speaker 2: Market for about three New Zealand dollars. Oh yeah, that's good.

1879
01:38:02,773 --> 01:38:05,373
Speaker 3: The price is right nice. What about the ruin bars?

1880
01:38:05,373 --> 01:38:06,093
Speaker 3: Are those sort of thing?

1881
01:38:07,373 --> 01:38:10,813
Speaker 2: They are a Budapeste signature, so basically they're making use

1882
01:38:10,853 --> 01:38:13,653
Speaker 2: of derelict buildings and there are still a lot of them.

1883
01:38:13,693 --> 01:38:16,573
Speaker 2: Just a few blocks back from the Danube, I went

1884
01:38:16,613 --> 01:38:21,413
Speaker 2: to Taqueria, which was formerly the storage depot for Hungarian railways.

1885
01:38:21,733 --> 01:38:24,693
Speaker 2: I tried a pinky jack, which is a grape fruit

1886
01:38:24,853 --> 01:38:27,453
Speaker 2: vodka shot, and then I had one of the highly

1887
01:38:27,533 --> 01:38:32,373
Speaker 2: flammable plumper linkers, which weighed in forty four percent alcohol.

1888
01:38:32,653 --> 01:38:33,973
Speaker 2: Just the one did the trick.

1889
01:38:34,333 --> 01:38:38,173
Speaker 3: Yes, my goodness, was there any sweetness in.

1890
01:38:38,213 --> 01:38:45,053
Speaker 10: That No, no, no, really, yeah, very totally.

1891
01:38:45,653 --> 01:38:48,093
Speaker 3: It sounds like an adventure though, thank you. And yeah,

1892
01:38:48,173 --> 01:38:49,813
Speaker 3: like I said, i'd love to go there. You know,

1893
01:38:50,053 --> 01:38:51,933
Speaker 3: this moment in time, I think it's more than a decade,

1894
01:38:51,973 --> 01:38:54,773
Speaker 3: it's but yeah, I would absolutely love to go right

1895
01:38:54,813 --> 01:38:57,893
Speaker 3: now because it's a very interesting place. Thanks so much, Mike.

1896
01:38:57,973 --> 01:39:00,373
Speaker 3: We'll make sure all of Mike's tips for trekking through

1897
01:39:00,413 --> 01:39:02,133
Speaker 3: but a pestra up on the News Talks, he'd be

1898
01:39:02,213 --> 01:39:06,733
Speaker 3: website before midday, some music and some picks from our

1899
01:39:06,813 --> 01:39:10,013
Speaker 3: music reviewer as to what Dave Dobbin might choose when

1900
01:39:10,053 --> 01:39:12,253
Speaker 3: he performs his one off show at Auklands Town Hall

1901
01:39:12,853 --> 01:39:14,493
Speaker 3: coming up shortly. We'll have your book picks for the

1902
01:39:14,493 --> 01:39:16,493
Speaker 3: weekend as well. Right now, it's eleven.

1903
01:39:16,253 --> 01:39:24,893
Speaker 1: Thirty, getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack Team.

1904
01:39:25,373 --> 01:39:27,173
Speaker 1: On News Talks, it'd be cheers.

1905
01:39:27,213 --> 01:39:29,693
Speaker 14: We're in a sandstorm in and knocks me out.

1906
01:39:30,053 --> 01:39:35,093
Speaker 19: A's in Northern It's never be enough for since seventeen,

1907
01:39:35,733 --> 01:39:38,973
Speaker 19: I'll leave you everything now we wake up from a dream.

1908
01:39:39,013 --> 01:39:41,493
Speaker 3: We'll baby whats.

1909
01:39:40,933 --> 01:39:48,093
Speaker 2: That B.

1910
01:39:50,373 --> 01:39:52,493
Speaker 3: Twenty seven and twelve. On News Talks, he'd be Jason

1911
01:39:52,533 --> 01:39:55,453
Speaker 3: pineer Is behind the mic this afternoon with Weekends Sport.

1912
01:39:55,573 --> 01:39:58,573
Speaker 3: He's with us now, Hey, Piney Killer Jack, I'm Rix

1913
01:39:58,613 --> 01:40:00,853
Speaker 3: and I f C. Hey how a the Hi?

1914
01:40:01,293 --> 01:40:04,493
Speaker 10: Oh my goodness, aga into Wellington on private jets probably

1915
01:40:05,293 --> 01:40:08,813
Speaker 10: new July. Yeah, let's this is quite cool. Look, Wellington

1916
01:40:08,853 --> 01:40:11,853
Speaker 10: Phoenix have had a forgettable season. I'll wrap it tomorrow yep.

1917
01:40:11,893 --> 01:40:14,333
Speaker 10: But yeah, if we've got Wrexham to look forward to

1918
01:40:14,653 --> 01:40:17,693
Speaker 10: in July, that's a nice little boost for fans of

1919
01:40:17,693 --> 01:40:19,453
Speaker 10: football in the Capitol. Yeah, very much so.

1920
01:40:19,773 --> 01:40:22,653
Speaker 3: Aukland FC have their last game of the regular season

1921
01:40:23,213 --> 01:40:27,053
Speaker 3: this evening. So just talk us through the playoff kind

1922
01:40:27,093 --> 01:40:29,813
Speaker 3: of process, because I mean, I know the Phoenix have

1923
01:40:29,853 --> 01:40:32,413
Speaker 3: made to the playoffs a couple of times before, but just

1924
01:40:32,413 --> 01:40:34,053
Speaker 3: just run us through how things are like you to

1925
01:40:34,093 --> 01:40:36,293
Speaker 3: go for the next couple of weeks. Obviously things are

1926
01:40:36,293 --> 01:40:38,893
Speaker 3: a bit result dependent in terms of opponents and that

1927
01:40:38,973 --> 01:40:39,373
Speaker 3: kind of thing.

1928
01:40:39,693 --> 01:40:41,493
Speaker 10: Indeed they are. Yeah, we don't yet know who Auckland

1929
01:40:41,533 --> 01:40:43,693
Speaker 10: will play, so by finishing in the top two, which

1930
01:40:43,693 --> 01:40:45,933
Speaker 10: they are guaranteed to do now, they will skip the

1931
01:40:45,973 --> 01:40:48,253
Speaker 10: first week of the playoffs, that is next weekend. When

1932
01:40:48,613 --> 01:40:51,493
Speaker 10: three plays six and four plays five, those are straight

1933
01:40:51,573 --> 01:40:53,733
Speaker 10: knockouts and the winners go through to the semi finals

1934
01:40:53,733 --> 01:40:57,493
Speaker 10: to play Auckland FC and whoever finishes second. Now in

1935
01:40:57,533 --> 01:41:01,053
Speaker 10: the semi finals they are home and away, so Auckland

1936
01:41:01,133 --> 01:41:04,013
Speaker 10: FC will travel away to whoever it is and then

1937
01:41:04,093 --> 01:41:06,613
Speaker 10: host them back at home on Saturday, the twenty fourth

1938
01:41:06,653 --> 01:41:09,453
Speaker 10: of May. It's an aggregate across the two legs. When

1939
01:41:09,533 --> 01:41:11,973
Speaker 10: that and you're into a one off grand final, which,

1940
01:41:12,053 --> 01:41:15,253
Speaker 10: if Auckland make Auckland will host. We don't quite know

1941
01:41:15,293 --> 01:41:17,853
Speaker 10: where yet, could be Eden Park, could be going media.

1942
01:41:18,053 --> 01:41:21,893
Speaker 10: But so basically they are three games away from lifting

1943
01:41:21,973 --> 01:41:25,453
Speaker 10: the A League Championship to go with the A League Premiership.

1944
01:41:25,573 --> 01:41:28,453
Speaker 3: Yes, right, So regardless of what happens tonight in their

1945
01:41:28,533 --> 01:41:30,893
Speaker 3: last regular season game, they will definitely have a home

1946
01:41:30,933 --> 01:41:34,653
Speaker 3: and away semi final and they'll be playing the winner

1947
01:41:34,813 --> 01:41:38,613
Speaker 3: of the what of the fourth of the fifth sixth playoff?

1948
01:41:38,933 --> 01:41:42,333
Speaker 10: Well, it all depends on who comes through in the

1949
01:41:42,453 --> 01:41:45,053
Speaker 10: Yeah three play six and four places five? Okay, three

1950
01:41:45,293 --> 01:41:48,373
Speaker 10: six and four passe five So the lowest yeah, the

1951
01:41:48,453 --> 01:41:52,213
Speaker 10: lowest ranked advancer. So let's just say for arguments, take

1952
01:41:52,253 --> 01:41:55,213
Speaker 10: three beat six and four beats five. Then Auckland would

1953
01:41:55,213 --> 01:41:58,653
Speaker 10: play whoever the fourth place team is the lowest of

1954
01:41:58,693 --> 01:42:00,533
Speaker 10: the ones who advanced to the semi finals.

1955
01:42:00,613 --> 01:42:03,693
Speaker 3: Right, Okay, but if yes, okay, that makes sense, it

1956
01:42:04,253 --> 01:42:05,653
Speaker 3: is somewhat confusing.

1957
01:42:06,613 --> 01:42:08,653
Speaker 10: It is, and I think we probably because there are

1958
01:42:08,693 --> 01:42:12,893
Speaker 10: still see positions two, three, four and five are still

1959
01:42:13,213 --> 01:42:15,373
Speaker 10: up in the air, as our positions and pretty six

1960
01:42:15,493 --> 01:42:17,853
Speaker 10: and seven. So yeah, I mean we could go down

1961
01:42:18,013 --> 01:42:20,973
Speaker 10: a very hypothetical rabbit hole. Jack, I reckon we wait till.

1962
01:42:23,933 --> 01:42:26,333
Speaker 3: There. I think there might be a bit more sensible.

1963
01:42:26,453 --> 01:42:29,173
Speaker 10: How do you feel about the Chiefs, Gaines, I'm feeling

1964
01:42:29,293 --> 01:42:32,733
Speaker 10: excited about it. We've had a terrible week in Wellington

1965
01:42:32,773 --> 01:42:36,013
Speaker 10: weather wise, as you've probably seen, but today has dawn's

1966
01:42:36,213 --> 01:42:39,133
Speaker 10: really nice and fine, and the forecast is good for tonight.

1967
01:42:39,373 --> 01:42:41,533
Speaker 10: I think it's a season of finding game for the

1968
01:42:41,573 --> 01:42:44,893
Speaker 10: Hurricanes the Chiefs. Look, I think we can probably quite

1969
01:42:44,893 --> 01:42:47,493
Speaker 10: safely lock them into the top six. The Hurricanes are

1970
01:42:47,533 --> 01:42:49,533
Speaker 10: in a group of teams who still have some work

1971
01:42:49,573 --> 01:42:52,813
Speaker 10: to do. Look, I'm really excited about some of these

1972
01:42:52,853 --> 01:42:55,933
Speaker 10: matchups tonight. The Chiefs have been excellent all season. Even

1973
01:42:55,933 --> 01:42:59,893
Speaker 10: without Damien McKenzie tonight and Antonin Lennart Brown, they're still

1974
01:42:59,893 --> 01:43:03,373
Speaker 10: a pretty formidable rugby team and Wallace a Titi of course,

1975
01:43:03,413 --> 01:43:05,293
Speaker 10: making his return last week off the benches. Off the

1976
01:43:05,293 --> 01:43:09,053
Speaker 10: bench again tonight, Urricanes, though beating the Brumbies and Canberra

1977
01:43:09,173 --> 01:43:12,173
Speaker 10: last weekend for the first time since twenty seventeen. They've

1978
01:43:12,173 --> 01:43:14,653
Speaker 10: got a couple of good players back to Billy Proctor

1979
01:43:14,893 --> 01:43:17,773
Speaker 10: and others. So look, I think you know, game of

1980
01:43:17,813 --> 01:43:20,333
Speaker 10: the round for sure, looking forward to seeing how it

1981
01:43:20,333 --> 01:43:21,173
Speaker 10: plays out to nice.

1982
01:43:21,173 --> 01:43:24,493
Speaker 3: What do you got for us this afternoon? Rugby League Royalty.

1983
01:43:24,653 --> 01:43:27,253
Speaker 10: Jonathan Thurston's on the show this afternoon, looking forward to

1984
01:43:27,333 --> 01:43:29,613
Speaker 10: Jennida about the Warrior heads over here.

1985
01:43:29,933 --> 01:43:33,013
Speaker 3: Oh he's here already. That's that's really on the Warriors.

1986
01:43:33,093 --> 01:43:36,253
Speaker 10: Are they taking notice of the Warriors on the other

1987
01:43:36,333 --> 01:43:38,813
Speaker 10: side of the Tasman? I mean they're five and two,

1988
01:43:38,893 --> 01:43:41,333
Speaker 10: it's their joint best ever start they take on Actually,

1989
01:43:41,373 --> 01:43:45,013
Speaker 10: ironically enough, Jonathan Thurston's former team, the North Queensland Cowboys.

1990
01:43:45,053 --> 01:43:48,213
Speaker 3: Tonight. Yeah, magic round. So JT's on the show.

1991
01:43:48,213 --> 01:43:51,373
Speaker 10: Speaking of Australia, they've made a decision around Wallaby's coach.

1992
01:43:51,773 --> 01:43:55,133
Speaker 10: Lea's Kiss will take the job, but not until after

1993
01:43:55,333 --> 01:43:59,133
Speaker 10: next season. Super Raking finishers, so is fourteen month is

1994
01:43:59,133 --> 01:44:01,413
Speaker 10: going to be enough time for lez Kiss to get

1995
01:44:01,413 --> 01:44:03,573
Speaker 10: the team ready for the home World Cup Drew Mitchell

1996
01:44:03,613 --> 01:44:05,293
Speaker 10: on that and after midday to day, I want to

1997
01:44:05,293 --> 01:44:07,613
Speaker 10: try and unpack what's been a pretty unfortunate week for

1998
01:44:08,133 --> 01:44:12,213
Speaker 10: New Zealand's National Basketball League with the Indian Panthers situation.

1999
01:44:13,173 --> 01:44:15,173
Speaker 10: Where does the blame lie, if there is any blame,

2000
01:44:15,213 --> 01:44:20,253
Speaker 10: and will this, perhaps, you know, deter you organizations like

2001
01:44:20,293 --> 01:44:23,213
Speaker 10: New Zealand Basketball and others from innovating in the future.

2002
01:44:23,333 --> 01:44:25,253
Speaker 10: I hope it doesn't. I hope they just say, look,

2003
01:44:25,293 --> 01:44:27,893
Speaker 10: this one didn't work. But we're going to unpack all

2004
01:44:27,893 --> 01:44:29,253
Speaker 10: that after midday as well.

2005
01:44:29,333 --> 01:44:31,533
Speaker 3: Jack, nice, looking forward to it. Thank you, sir. Jason

2006
01:44:31,573 --> 01:44:34,213
Speaker 3: Jen with us right after the twelve o'clock news on

2007
01:44:34,253 --> 01:44:36,133
Speaker 3: News Talk ZB. We've got some Dave Dobbin for you

2008
01:44:36,173 --> 01:44:38,533
Speaker 3: before then, and next up your book picks for this

2009
01:44:38,573 --> 01:44:40,693
Speaker 3: weekend twenty two to twelve.

2010
01:44:41,213 --> 01:44:45,493
Speaker 1: Saturday Morning with Jack Team Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio

2011
01:44:45,733 --> 01:44:47,093
Speaker 1: powered by News Talks.

2012
01:44:46,893 --> 01:44:50,933
Speaker 3: EDB twenty to twelve on News Talks EDB. Katherine Rains,

2013
01:44:50,933 --> 01:44:53,813
Speaker 3: our book reviewer, has two pecks for us this weekend.

2014
01:44:53,813 --> 01:44:56,653
Speaker 3: Two great reads. Get a Catherine, Good morning Jack. Okay,

2015
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Speaker 3: let's begin with the Good Mistress and Tannin.

2016
01:45:00,133 --> 01:45:03,253
Speaker 17: So this story centers around three women and they're at

2017
01:45:04,093 --> 01:45:07,813
Speaker 17: a man called War's funeral, and Juliette sort of never

2018
01:45:07,853 --> 01:45:10,533
Speaker 17: planned to be Rory's mistress, but she fell in love

2019
01:45:10,573 --> 01:45:13,933
Speaker 17: with him and then he died and she always thought

2020
01:45:14,053 --> 01:45:17,813
Speaker 17: that he would leave his wife, and so at the funeral,

2021
01:45:17,853 --> 01:45:20,733
Speaker 17: she's standing at the back and not really quite sure

2022
01:45:20,773 --> 01:45:23,453
Speaker 17: where she should be. And then there's May. She's this

2023
01:45:23,493 --> 01:45:27,093
Speaker 17: incredibly celebrated novelist and life looks to be really perfect

2024
01:45:27,133 --> 01:45:29,733
Speaker 17: for her, except that she has this very passive, aggressive

2025
01:45:29,773 --> 01:45:33,813
Speaker 17: husband and two teenage sons and her mother's ailing, and

2026
01:45:33,973 --> 01:45:36,773
Speaker 17: so her success to her starts to feel really hollow,

2027
01:45:36,813 --> 01:45:38,893
Speaker 17: and she doesn't quite know where she's at. And then

2028
01:45:38,933 --> 01:45:41,493
Speaker 17: she has an affair and she discovers the secret and

2029
01:45:41,613 --> 01:45:45,653
Speaker 17: her life starts to unravel. And then there's Erica, who's

2030
01:45:45,693 --> 01:45:48,133
Speaker 17: Rory's wife, and Rory knew things about her that no

2031
01:45:48,173 --> 01:45:51,413
Speaker 17: one else knew, and so she's got these questions that

2032
01:45:51,453 --> 01:45:54,653
Speaker 17: she doesn't really want to know the answers to. And

2033
01:45:54,693 --> 01:45:56,573
Speaker 17: the weird thing is is that she ends up being

2034
01:45:56,613 --> 01:46:00,333
Speaker 17: friends with Juliette, who's not who she expected. And so

2035
01:46:00,373 --> 01:46:03,053
Speaker 17: you've got these set of characters who are really messy,

2036
01:46:03,133 --> 01:46:06,533
Speaker 17: who make these choices and decisions, but they're interesting and

2037
01:46:06,533 --> 01:46:09,453
Speaker 17: they're quite vulnerable as well, and their secrets and misunderstandings

2038
01:46:09,453 --> 01:46:12,213
Speaker 17: and how their past decisions have influenced their lives now.

2039
01:46:12,253 --> 01:46:14,973
Speaker 17: And yeah, it's an interesting read, not a heart and

2040
01:46:14,973 --> 01:46:16,333
Speaker 17: soul in it, interestingly.

2041
01:46:16,013 --> 01:46:18,973
Speaker 3: Enough, Yeah okay, yeah, right, So that's The Good Mistress

2042
01:46:18,973 --> 01:46:22,213
Speaker 3: by Antien And you've also read The Other People by C. B. Everett.

2043
01:46:22,933 --> 01:46:26,693
Speaker 17: So this story has some really unique characters and voices,

2044
01:46:26,733 --> 01:46:29,293
Speaker 17: and it really moves quickly, so after each shep you

2045
01:46:29,453 --> 01:46:31,613
Speaker 17: really want to know what's happened next. And it's quite

2046
01:46:31,733 --> 01:46:33,573
Speaker 17: dark and quite twisty, and one of these sort of

2047
01:46:33,933 --> 01:46:36,853
Speaker 17: locked room thrillers, a bit Agatha Christie like. So ten

2048
01:46:36,893 --> 01:46:40,693
Speaker 17: people wake in this mansion surrounded by things from their homes,

2049
01:46:40,933 --> 01:46:42,973
Speaker 17: and then their doors are unlocked and they go down

2050
01:46:43,013 --> 01:46:45,573
Speaker 17: to the dining room and they meet other people and

2051
01:46:45,613 --> 01:46:48,173
Speaker 17: they're suspicious and they're confused, and they don't know why

2052
01:46:48,173 --> 01:46:49,773
Speaker 17: they're there, and they don't know how they got there,

2053
01:46:49,813 --> 01:46:51,973
Speaker 17: and they don't know what they have in common. And

2054
01:46:52,013 --> 01:46:53,773
Speaker 17: then they're told by this woman that a girl's been

2055
01:46:53,773 --> 01:46:56,173
Speaker 17: abducted and they've got to find her in the next

2056
01:46:56,293 --> 01:46:59,653
Speaker 17: twelve hours, and then they all start dying one by one,

2057
01:46:59,773 --> 01:47:03,093
Speaker 17: and so everybody's a suspect, no one's safe, no one

2058
01:47:03,133 --> 01:47:05,173
Speaker 17: can work out why they were chosen. And so you

2059
01:47:05,213 --> 01:47:09,373
Speaker 17: get these different characters telling their stories and alternating chapters,

2060
01:47:09,533 --> 01:47:12,693
Speaker 17: and so you get this really atmosphere that's quite dark

2061
01:47:12,733 --> 01:47:15,213
Speaker 17: and claustrophoe because the characters move around the house and

2062
01:47:15,253 --> 01:47:17,613
Speaker 17: they encounter sort of dark rooms and trap doors and

2063
01:47:17,653 --> 01:47:21,013
Speaker 17: heaving corners, and it's quite strange as they encounter things

2064
01:47:21,053 --> 01:47:24,373
Speaker 17: from their homes and they begin to forget life outside

2065
01:47:24,373 --> 01:47:26,413
Speaker 17: the house and they lose that sort of sense of

2066
01:47:26,453 --> 01:47:29,053
Speaker 17: time and reality, and as a reader you're finding that

2067
01:47:29,133 --> 01:47:31,573
Speaker 17: really unsettling as well. So there's a twist at the end,

2068
01:47:31,653 --> 01:47:33,693
Speaker 17: but yeah, it has that quite creepy darkness along with

2069
01:47:33,773 --> 01:47:34,133
Speaker 17: him as well.

2070
01:47:34,493 --> 01:47:35,573
Speaker 7: It's psychological thriller.

2071
01:47:35,733 --> 01:47:37,933
Speaker 3: Yeah right, It does sound like an interesting little journey.

2072
01:47:37,973 --> 01:47:41,133
Speaker 3: So that's The Other People by C. B. Everett. Catherine's

2073
01:47:41,133 --> 01:47:44,773
Speaker 3: first book again was The Good Mistress by Ann Tiernan,

2074
01:47:45,053 --> 01:47:47,053
Speaker 3: and we'll put both of those book titled up on

2075
01:47:47,093 --> 01:47:49,693
Speaker 3: the Newstalks He'd Be website. So Dave Dobbin has announced

2076
01:47:49,733 --> 01:47:52,613
Speaker 3: he is doing a one off show. We think it's

2077
01:47:52,653 --> 01:47:55,253
Speaker 3: the only show he's officially ever done in Awkands town Hall,

2078
01:47:55,333 --> 01:47:58,093
Speaker 3: but that maybe up for debate. Might have to get

2079
01:47:58,093 --> 01:48:00,013
Speaker 3: the lawyers onto that one. Anyway, It's a one off

2080
01:48:00,013 --> 01:48:01,773
Speaker 3: show in which he's going to be delving into his

2081
01:48:03,533 --> 01:48:06,253
Speaker 3: some classics from a part from the past, all sorts

2082
01:48:06,293 --> 01:48:10,373
Speaker 3: of different musical eras. As he comes up with the setlist.

2083
01:48:10,493 --> 01:48:11,653
Speaker 3: We're going to tell you a bit more about the

2084
01:48:11,653 --> 01:48:13,533
Speaker 3: show in a couple of minutes, and our music reviewer

2085
01:48:13,573 --> 01:48:15,053
Speaker 3: is going to have a guest as to what he

2086
01:48:15,133 --> 01:48:17,453
Speaker 3: might choose to play. It is this coming up to

2087
01:48:17,533 --> 01:48:17,893
Speaker 3: quarter to.

2088
01:48:17,893 --> 01:48:21,373
Speaker 1: Twelve, giving you the inside scoop on all you need

2089
01:48:21,453 --> 01:48:24,613
Speaker 1: to Know Saturday Mornings with Jack Dame and bpuwre dot

2090
01:48:24,613 --> 01:48:27,773
Speaker 1: co dots for high quality supplements, use talks.

2091
01:48:27,773 --> 01:48:30,293
Speaker 3: I'd be while waiting.

2092
01:48:30,933 --> 01:48:34,613
Speaker 2: You're waiting for mister some.

2093
01:48:36,493 --> 01:48:36,813
Speaker 8: Calm.

2094
01:48:44,933 --> 01:48:45,533
Speaker 3: Oh you.

2095
01:48:49,933 --> 01:48:53,893
Speaker 2: Know call me.

2096
01:48:55,693 --> 01:48:57,373
Speaker 3: You don't need me to tell you who this is.

2097
01:48:59,853 --> 01:49:04,173
Speaker 3: Sir Dave Down of course, has announced he's going to

2098
01:49:04,173 --> 01:49:05,853
Speaker 3: be playing a one off show with his band at

2099
01:49:05,853 --> 01:49:08,053
Speaker 3: All Constant Hall and just over a month is here

2100
01:49:08,053 --> 01:49:10,653
Speaker 3: happening very soon actually as part of the part of

2101
01:49:10,653 --> 01:49:12,933
Speaker 3: the Winter Series, and he's promising to go into his

2102
01:49:13,013 --> 01:49:16,173
Speaker 3: back catalog to find out some old favorites of his

2103
01:49:16,693 --> 01:49:20,453
Speaker 3: alongside all the anthems such as Loyal music of via

2104
01:49:20,533 --> 01:49:22,813
Speaker 3: Stelle Clifford is here with us this morning. Hey is

2105
01:49:22,853 --> 01:49:26,053
Speaker 3: Stelle embracing the Dave Rave?

2106
01:49:26,333 --> 01:49:26,533
Speaker 13: Yeah?

2107
01:49:26,693 --> 01:49:29,373
Speaker 3: Oh I love that. Yeah, no, I know it is great.

2108
01:49:29,373 --> 01:49:30,653
Speaker 3: It's fantastic news.

2109
01:49:31,813 --> 01:49:35,293
Speaker 20: As and I'm like, he's called it selected songs for

2110
01:49:35,333 --> 01:49:38,493
Speaker 20: this gig and I'm like, how yeah, you even go

2111
01:49:38,573 --> 01:49:39,453
Speaker 20: through his catalog.

2112
01:49:39,613 --> 01:49:41,333
Speaker 21: But if Loyal isn't on there, I mean that's an

2113
01:49:41,333 --> 01:49:42,333
Speaker 21: absolute crowd pleaser.

2114
01:49:42,413 --> 01:49:43,813
Speaker 3: I feel like it's going to be on there. I

2115
01:49:43,853 --> 01:49:46,173
Speaker 3: feel like it might be on therell. I think he's

2116
01:49:46,213 --> 01:49:47,613
Speaker 3: going to mix things up, right, He's going to do

2117
01:49:47,653 --> 01:49:49,493
Speaker 3: the back catalog stuff, but as well as some of

2118
01:49:49,493 --> 01:49:50,733
Speaker 3: the anthems, yeah.

2119
01:49:50,613 --> 01:49:52,893
Speaker 20: Yeah, and and town Hall. He's never played in the

2120
01:49:52,893 --> 01:49:55,133
Speaker 20: town hall before. It is also the thing where you're like,

2121
01:49:55,213 --> 01:49:58,053
Speaker 20: he's played outside it, yeah, helps stir.

2122
01:49:57,933 --> 01:50:01,413
Speaker 21: Up riots and it's true being inside.

2123
01:50:01,613 --> 01:50:05,653
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, well yeah, there has there has been

2124
01:50:05,693 --> 01:50:08,333
Speaker 3: some debate this morning, so so one of our listeners

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Speaker 3: wereecons that Dave might have played a song there as

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Speaker 3: part of like the the Orkan City Mission and knowing

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Speaker 3: only five or something like that. Anyway, I'm sure they've

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Speaker 3: been inside the building before. It's not like he's been banished.

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Speaker 3: But anyway, yeah, yes, yeah, So.

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Speaker 20: Loyal comes off his So that was released in eighty eight.

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Speaker 20: That was off the album of the same name, Loyal,

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Speaker 20: which was actually his debut solo album, even though he'd

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Speaker 20: been in music for over a decade by that stage.

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Speaker 20: Because remember the back catalog that kind of is his,

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Speaker 20: but also some other people's as Originally he was.

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Speaker 3: In the Dudes, Yeah, of course, and then he was yeah.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, and then some of those songs are quite still

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Speaker 20: synonymous with him, I think, you know, because he's then

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Speaker 20: performed them as a solo artist. So he had a

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Speaker 20: huge bit head log before it even started doing his

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Speaker 20: own material. But Love You Like I Should was on

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Speaker 20: that Loyal album, Oh yeah, duge, and those were the

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Speaker 20: ones that were really getting him on the music charts too,

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Speaker 20: So Slice a Heaven of course, from a Dog's Tail,

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Speaker 20: Foot Rot Flats, those were like in the charts for weeks.

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Speaker 21: And weeks and weeks weeks.

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Speaker 20: He was one of those artists where he had three

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Speaker 20: top ten songs on the New Zealand Charts Wow for

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Speaker 20: a period of time in the late eighties, so he

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Speaker 20: was kind of like everywhere a is doing his own thing.

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Speaker 20: I went on a real I went back onto one

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Speaker 20: of my absolute favorite album albums of his, which is Twist.

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Speaker 21: Okay, so that was like mid nineties.

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Speaker 20: He actually wrote some of those songs alongside Neil Finn. Yes,

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Speaker 20: and I'm pretty sure he's mentioned it a few times

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Speaker 20: before that. That was a real good game changer for

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Speaker 20: him and helping make what that album was. Yeah right,

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Speaker 20: I'm just gonna put it out there that I actually,

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Speaker 20: now that I've re listened to Twist, I actually think

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Speaker 20: that's one of my all time favorite albums. Really, like

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Speaker 20: not just Dave doncon In albums, just such a great album.

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Speaker 20: Emma Puckey was one of the guest vocalists on that.

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Speaker 20: She did heaps of the harmonies for him, and she's

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Speaker 20: just their voices just go together so beautifully. But I

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Speaker 20: think his voice was.

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Speaker 21: Really good on that. Yeah. Yeah, his writing and his

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Speaker 21: lyrics are just so good.

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Speaker 20: Naked Flame dawned on me and then this one, which

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Speaker 20: everybody knows language.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, good fine, I'll just played this for a

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Speaker 3: little bit just yea.

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Speaker 18: When I needed I couldn't same time.

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Speaker 21: So it's a classic.

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Speaker 3: It is such a classic. It's called a moving song

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Speaker 3: that day, and.

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Speaker 20: That whole album is if you if you sit with that,

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Speaker 20: like if you want an album this weekend to really

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Speaker 20: just blast loud and sit with the lyrics, is a

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Speaker 20: fantastic album for that any Crimer of course a diversion.

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Speaker 20: He then did that tour like a year or so later,

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Speaker 20: maybe it was a couple of years later where he

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Speaker 20: had Bitgronger and Tim Fern on the road.

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Speaker 3: Do you know that was my first even live show?

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Speaker 2: Was it?

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Speaker 3: It was yep, together in concert live was my first

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Speaker 3: even live show. I was thirteen. Yeah, I think I

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Speaker 3: got tickets for my birthday. I think my parents have

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Speaker 3: got me tickets for my birthday. Went with my dad. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: they're like.

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Speaker 21: Jeah, you need to play guitar and on your skills.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty much.

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Speaker 20: So, I mean even just colabs like there and then

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Speaker 20: the albums that have come out from him, This is

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Speaker 20: a huge catalog for him to go back into and

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Speaker 20: just so.

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Speaker 21: Many that actually when you hear again, like they.

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Speaker 20: Might not be the ones that got the main mainstream

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Speaker 20: play but there's those songs that you're like, that's right,

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Speaker 20: because you can sit with the whole album of Dave's

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Speaker 20: quite easily, you know, I just really enjoy it. And

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Speaker 20: then people have taken and done their own versions of

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Speaker 20: those albums. So yeah, I can't even imagine how he's

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Speaker 20: putting the set list together, but I think it's Yeah.

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Speaker 21: Also on the album.

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Speaker 20: Welcome Home, I mean, oh yeah, album on the on

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Speaker 20: the tour surely has to be the show.

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Speaker 21: He might do it in the Mary yeah stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he.

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Speaker 21: Might do that as well.

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Speaker 20: If you want to jump forward it, I need to

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Speaker 20: have some twist stuff. I need to have some foot

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Speaker 20: rot flats music.

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Speaker 3: P Yeah. Yeah, I think that'll be there. I feel

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Speaker 3: of courtiously optimistic. You'll be satisfied in there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 20: Pre sales right now, so Live Nation pre sales are

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Speaker 20: on until Monday and then around eleven am on Monday

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Speaker 20: mornings when general ticket sales go on. I know this

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Speaker 20: CenTra because it's on the Auckland Town Hall. But it

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Speaker 20: is worth catching up with your best daies in.

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Speaker 21: Auckland for sure. A weekend, yeah, make this.

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Speaker 3: Your not a weekend. It's a midweek concert, I think, right.

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Speaker 3: Some of it. It's on the Wednesday. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's curious Wednesday, Yeah, Friday. Okay, So tickets general tickets

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Speaker 3: are so pre sales are now Monday tickets going south

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Speaker 3: for everyone. And it's for June fourth, which is a Wednesday.

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Speaker 3: It is definitely going to sell out. Yeah yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: you'd be lucky if they're ey tickets left by Monday.

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Speaker 3: I reckon, Hey, thank you so much to stell you

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Speaker 3: get a rigg along and yeah, I think I think

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Speaker 3: if he's struggling to whittle down the list, then maybe

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Speaker 3: he can employ you for your advice on that front,

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Speaker 3: because I reckon, you get the blend just right. Steale Clifford,

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Speaker 3: our music reviewer, will pick out a good Day song

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Speaker 3: and play it for you in a couple of minutes

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Speaker 3: as we continue the Dave Dobbin Rave This Morning seven

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Speaker 3: to twelve.

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Speaker 1: A cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday mornings with

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Speaker 3: Oh that is us for our time together this Saturday morning.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much for all of your text and

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Speaker 3: emails throughout the morning. On Newstalk's EDB Jason Byen is

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Speaker 3: going to be with you this afternoon for weekend sport.

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Speaker 3: You're counting down to that very exciting Cain's Chiefs match

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Speaker 3: this evening. Thanks to my wonderful producer Libby for doing

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Speaker 3: everything difficult for me this morning, holding my hand, guiding

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Speaker 3: us through morning together as she always does. Newstalks EDB

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Speaker 3: dot Code on n ZED Forward Slash Jack has everything

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Speaker 3: from our show. You can find us on Facebook too.

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Speaker 3: For now, though, we are going to leave you with

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Speaker 3: Sir Dave Dobbin ahead of his concert at the Auckland

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Speaker 3: Town Hall next month. This well, I reckon, This might

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Speaker 3: just make the cut. You ought to be in love.

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Speaker 8: Consul pay and the.

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Speaker 14: Woman girade Me.

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Speaker 3: Consult pay.

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Speaker 14: M Girad and the all consult pay.

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Speaker 3: Grade a.

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Speaker 1: Shortage for more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame. Listen

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