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Speaker 1: The Greens have met again, Darline Tanner will be waker

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Speaker 1: jumped out of Parliament. The official side of that decision,

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Speaker 1: which is by the way, was unanimous, goes to the

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Speaker 1: Speaker of the House of course. Now co leader Chloe

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Speaker 1: Swarbrook is with us. Very good morning to you. Do

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Speaker 1: you have any sense of whether there's a problem with

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Speaker 1: Brownley at all or he will simply tick the box.

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Speaker 2: So I don't want to speak on behalf of the speaker.

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Speaker 2: I think that'd be entirely remisses me. But I think

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Speaker 2: that he will consider yes, the legislation properly. And look,

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Speaker 2: we're feeling pretty confident about how things are in terms

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Speaker 2: of the effect on proportionality here.

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Speaker 1: How big a hurdle was it for you guys to

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Speaker 1: get past your dislike of the law.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, I think it's been aired pretty publicly over

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Speaker 2: the last several months that we've been working through this.

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Speaker 2: We do have a vex history on this legislation, and

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Speaker 2: there's statements from former party co leaders and there's a

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Speaker 2: lot of reckons out there in the ether. But this

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Speaker 2: is what deliberate of democracy looks like. You know. I

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Speaker 2: feel really proud of the fact that last night, one

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Speaker 2: hundred and eighty five delegates representing all of our membership,

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Speaker 2: our thousands of members all across the country, having had

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Speaker 2: their own sorah and deliberative processes, and their local branches

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Speaker 2: and provinces and networks, all came to this conclusion. And

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Speaker 2: the fact that it was this kind of unanimous or

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Speaker 2: rather resounding or consensus, I think yeah, really demonstrates that

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Speaker 2: we as a party and moving forward together on this issue.

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Speaker 1: Is it possible you were wrong on the law given

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Speaker 1: you've now used it and seen its benefits.

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Speaker 2: I'll be the first person to say that everybody should

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Speaker 2: be open to changing their mind when confronted with complexity

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Speaker 2: or new evidence or information. That's humanity, That is what

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Speaker 2: evolution is supposed to look like, Mike. So you know,

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Speaker 2: we even had some old wiseheads from our party reflecting

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Speaker 2: on that on the call last night, and we also

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Speaker 2: made the points that all of those former statements by

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Speaker 2: former CO leaders, especially our founding former CO leaders, need

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Speaker 2: to be taken in light of the context at the time.

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Speaker 1: Indeed, so can we now say your position on the

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Speaker 1: law has changed as a party, Well.

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Speaker 2: Our position on the law has historically really boiled down

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Speaker 2: to Turkey's things which I think we've and our conversations

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Speaker 2: on this in the past. The first is and of

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Speaker 2: that concentration of power. So the law itself prescribes effectively

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Speaker 2: that it goes to party leadership to work this through

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Speaker 2: with their caucus, and that if there is a seventy

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Speaker 2: five percent vote in favor of that caucus, then you

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Speaker 2: can move ahead with things. Here, I think we went

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Speaker 2: a lot further than that, and obviously going out to

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Speaker 2: our full membership. So I think everybody needs to understand

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Speaker 2: that that is the key caviat here. We haven't just

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Speaker 2: operated as the law prescribed. We've gone far above and beyond,

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Speaker 2: and obviously also ed all of this in the public debate.

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Speaker 2: And the second thing is real concern about how, for example,

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Speaker 2: a member could be ejected for standing on a matter

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Speaker 2: of principle. And that's why we work so hard to

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Speaker 2: kick this executive summary out there into the public arena

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Speaker 2: so that everybody who can see these facts can see

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Speaker 2: that Unfortunately, in this case of Alan Kana, this is

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Speaker 2: not a matter of a principled stance. It's since that

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Speaker 2: quite the opposite. So I think with those two key

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Speaker 2: principles kind of steps net sure in certain circumstances. Of course,

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Speaker 2: you can say that we would take these steps because

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Speaker 2: we've taken them. As a yes.

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Speaker 1: Say good stuff, Go forward with a Chloe Swelbrick, Green

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