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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty the ones

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Speaker 1: with worldwide connections that perform not a promise on the Huddle.

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Speaker 2: Tim Wilson of the Maximum Institute and Josephcganney, CEO of

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Speaker 2: Child Fund. Hi, you guys, Hello, Hey there, Tim you

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Speaker 2: are Yeah, I reckon you're the most prominent Catholic on

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Speaker 2: our show. So tell me what did you think of

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Speaker 2: the Pope? Did you think he was a fun time

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Speaker 2: or a bit disappointing.

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Speaker 3: I thought it was.

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Speaker 4: Look, I'm pretty sure that he was a very devout

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Speaker 4: and humble man. You know, he used to they used

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Speaker 4: to have to prize his shoes off him because they're

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Speaker 4: full of holes. So no question he was put himself.

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Speaker 4: Actually stayed in the Vatican guest house. He didn't want

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Speaker 4: to stay in the swanky apartments. So in that sense,

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Speaker 4: very very devout and humble. I was interested in your

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Speaker 4: discussion with Sir David Moxton talking about you know, it

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Speaker 4: was all based on the assumption that changes God, whereas

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure, you know, if you've got a message

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Speaker 4: of love and forgiveness, why do you want to change that?

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Speaker 3: And I think you know, well I'll push back on that,

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Speaker 3: Tim because you can have a message of love, but

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Speaker 3: if you exclude women from the clergy, if you don't

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Speaker 3: want to deal with divorce people, and if you don't

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Speaker 3: want to embrace gay people, then there's not a lot

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Speaker 3: of love.

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Speaker 4: Well love, love has shown all kinds of different ways.

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Speaker 4: But love is also expressed through truth. And so if

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Speaker 4: this is what you believe to be the truth, then

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Speaker 4: then that's I think that's that's fine. And I'm just

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Speaker 4: I'm just saying that, you know, the love for tradition

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Speaker 4: and the immutability of the church. What was it last

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Speaker 4: Easter Sunday, the St. Patrick's in Auckland City baptized three

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Speaker 4: hundred and fifty people. The Angler I'm not don't want

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Speaker 4: to play, you know, teams against teams, but the Anglicans

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Speaker 4: got that in one year. So there's there's there's an

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Speaker 4: attraction here that's actually happening.

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Speaker 2: You do it, you're shameless.

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Speaker 4: Well, you're going to have comparisons. You've got to have

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Speaker 4: a comparison here.

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Speaker 3: They come up.

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Speaker 2: Josie. I found him disappointing because I come from a

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Speaker 2: much more liberal perspective and so I wanted it what

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Speaker 2: he did was he did just a lot of talking

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Speaker 2: about it, right, and never actually changed anything about the

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Speaker 2: way that the Catholic Church approached these people.

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Speaker 5: Well, my family is is a classic microcosm of the

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Speaker 5: Catholic Church. So my other, who was a very naughty

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Speaker 5: boy in his twenties, is a very very orthodox Catholic

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Speaker 5: now and I'm a much more obviously liberal, not obviously,

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Speaker 5: but I'm very liberal Catholic. And he would call me

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Speaker 5: a cafe Catholic. You know, I picked the best is

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Speaker 5: that like a Catholic, Yes, Champagne Champagne, but well I'm

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Speaker 5: a Champagne socialist in it and a cafe Catholics. So yeah,

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Speaker 5: basically very nutritious around. But look, I do think I

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Speaker 5: know what you mean, Heather, because a lot of people

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Speaker 5: have said this that he didn't change enough. But I

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Speaker 5: think you have to understand. And both Tim and I Catholics,

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Speaker 5: and you know, and we and we share a faith,

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Speaker 5: but the church is so divided and Francis, Pope Francis

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Speaker 5: didn't want a civil war, so he set about to

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Speaker 5: try and avoid that, to avoid the culture wars. So

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Speaker 5: what he did was go and he's got a lovely

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Speaker 5: phrase where he said to the bishops and priests, go

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Speaker 5: and smell the sheep, which you know has something means

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Speaker 5: something likely different in New Zealand. But what he meant

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Speaker 5: by that was stay close to the people that the

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Speaker 5: church serves, you know. And that's Tim was just saying that,

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Speaker 5: And that was something where he just wanted to say

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Speaker 5: the church is open to everybody. Now he did. You're right, Heather.

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Speaker 5: He didn't change the doctrine on gay marriage, he didn't

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Speaker 5: change woman priests, all of the things that sort of

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Speaker 5: liberal Catholics like me would go, well, we're ready for that.

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Speaker 5: But his main his main goal was to change the

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Speaker 5: tone and the style of the Catholic Church and then

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Speaker 5: to have the conversation at least, but not to start

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Speaker 5: a civil war. And people like my brother, who I

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Speaker 5: adore and love dearly, was itching for a fight, so

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Speaker 5: he was trying to avoid that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair enough.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it all the huddle with New Zealand Southeby's

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Speaker 2: Right back of the huddle, Tim Wilson, Joe SPEGANI, Josie,

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Speaker 2: what are we going to do with met service?

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Speaker 5: Well, there is some personal responsibility here, there isn't it?

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Speaker 5: Like if I think of my family, my son who

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Speaker 5: shall remain nameless. Carlo decided to go tramping this weekend, right,

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Speaker 5: And I found out about this afterwards, and I was like, well,

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Speaker 5: when a bloody idiot you went tramping when there was

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Speaker 5: a cyclone and a storm predicted a met service, so

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Speaker 5: that there's something about you know, Dulwini.

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Speaker 2: And no, no, no, no, no, Josey, don't be unfair.

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Speaker 2: He looked at it and he was like, no, he.

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Speaker 4: Looked at it and he said, this is the perfect

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Speaker 4: perfect time for me to go out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because he was like, the meat services, the weather's

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Speaker 2: going to be bad, therefore it's probably going to be

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Speaker 2: good because they suck at their jobs. This is what

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Speaker 2: happens when you suck at your job when you're at

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Speaker 2: the met service staffer.

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Speaker 5: Isn't it also also McDonald's burger?

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Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, exactly. That's all that. We can summarize

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Speaker 4: this in one word, testosterone. Get used to it, guys.

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Speaker 4: It's awesome.

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Speaker 2: And though there is something there is a problem here

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Speaker 2: right where we've got we don't get the warnings when

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Speaker 2: we should get the warnings and then we get the

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Speaker 2: warnings when there's actually nothing to be warned about.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and as as I think you pointed out, the

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Speaker 4: more this happens, the more we discounted, we go, oh

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Speaker 4: is this a real warning? You know? I got I

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Speaker 4: got one what was a two o three on Saturday

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Speaker 4: and and it said this is up till twoint fifteen,

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Speaker 4: and it's like, oh, come on, are you kidding me?

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Speaker 4: And nothing was happening, and so and so. I guess

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Speaker 4: the bigger question here is what do we expect from government?

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Speaker 4: Do we actually expect the government to tell it? We

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Speaker 4: can search out the weather ourselves on the Internet and

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Speaker 4: determine our behavior on that basis. I don't need some

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Speaker 4: Clackson in the supermarket telling me that China may or

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Speaker 4: may not be bombing on Oh it's just a fake thunderstorm.

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Speaker 5: Well that's the point is that you do have some

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Speaker 5: personal response. But I mean I checked the weather and

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Speaker 5: I wasn't going tramping. I was flying in a little plane.

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Speaker 5: But I checked the weather and couldn't see that there

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Speaker 5: was a whole bunch of rain coming. So you know

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Speaker 5: you are able to actually check the weather yourself.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, all right, Yeah, I like this. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: like you guys are going with this in which.

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Speaker 4: Well, he don't expect the state to feed you, to

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Speaker 4: drip feed you everything.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, don't give me anything. Don't tell me

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Speaker 2: that we're either in this or we're not right. We're

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Speaker 2: either going to ignore them or we're going to listen

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Speaker 2: to their warnings. And if they're going to give us warnings,

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Speaker 2: and they're better be good at it. Otherwise I suppose

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Speaker 2: we're back to exactly where we started. Listen, Tim, tell me,

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Speaker 2: do the notifications on your phone overwhelming?

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Speaker 4: Well they don't look they're from limit service. No, No,

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Speaker 4: I mean I thought what was really interesting about this

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Speaker 4: is we defined it in terms of anxiety, and actually

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Speaker 4: anxiety is not a bad thing because you know, you

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Speaker 4: think about your work. Anxiety that's sort of meaningful. It

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Speaker 4: actually helps you get stuff done. So you need to

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Speaker 4: actually have you know, you need to have this unmeaningful

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Speaker 4: anxiety or this sort of needless anxiety. Just as your

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Speaker 4: guest said, select your notifications and if you if you

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Speaker 4: guess them all, you can actually pretend to ignore people

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Speaker 4: and actually ghost them. And it's not your fault. Sorry,

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Speaker 4: I turned off my notifications.

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Speaker 5: That's any once again, it is personal responsibility. So you

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Speaker 5: can actually go through and get rid of the risko's

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Speaker 5: notifications because in the reto no fail.

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Speaker 1: You'll miss out point.

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Speaker 2: You're missing an important point, which is the kids. Well,

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Speaker 2: everybody wants the note. We want the notifications there because

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Speaker 2: then we can get that little dopamine head and people

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Speaker 2: love us blah blah blah. But then the counter of

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Speaker 2: that is that the constant, that constant thing makes us

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Speaker 2: makes us feel bad in the long term.

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Speaker 5: Oh and a bottle of wis skin and McDonald's and

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Speaker 5: you know yourself.

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Speaker 4: Back and given there and given given also personal responsibility.

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Speaker 4: I understand there's an unbaptized child in your house, Heather.

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Speaker 4: I could actually have a Jesuit Special Ops team around

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Speaker 4: there in twenty minutes and we could take care of

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Speaker 4: that too.

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Speaker 2: Do you want because you have been trying the longest

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Speaker 2: time out like I was. I was leaning towards the

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Speaker 2: Anglicans for a minute and you freaked out. And now

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Speaker 2: you're trying to get me to become a Catholic, aren't you.

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Speaker 4: The waters come on, the waters of the Tiber are

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Speaker 4: warm and rising, Heather, Come on, come on close me.

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Speaker 5: And Tim so look, you've got exactly have it.

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Speaker 2: If I can be there, if I can be a

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Speaker 2: Josie type of Catholic, I well, guys, thank you very much,

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Speaker 2: really appreciated. Tim Wilson, Joseph GANI.

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