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Speaker 2: All the twos Ladies and Gentlemen two two two for

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Speaker 2: the fifteenth of October twenty twenty five. Incredible show, Incredible

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Speaker 2: stories around the DNA issue and adoption. It's just a really, really,

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Speaker 2: really fantastic show. And yesterday we're talking about our anniversary.

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Speaker 2: We missed it. It was last last Wednesday.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we overshot by what is it eleven days?

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Speaker 4: Was that right?

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Speaker 2: It was the seventh so about a week ago. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: about a week ago was our anniversary of doing the show.

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Speaker 2: So we missed it.

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Speaker 3: That's all right, congrats on one yea man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, as I said yesterday, we'll get the tenth.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, make sure we get.

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Speaker 2: The other tenth. That'll be fine.

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Speaker 1: Love you the big stories, the leak issues, the big

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Speaker 1: trends and everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams

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Speaker 3: Talk said me very good afternoon cheer. Welcome into a

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Speaker 3: Wednesday's show. Really good to have your company as always,

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Speaker 3: Thanks for giving us to listen. Hey you do it, Matt.

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Speaker 2: I am doing very well, Thank you, Tyler. Looking forward

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Speaker 2: to three hours of scintillating conversations on one hundred and

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Speaker 3: It's a big show for you. Now, just before we

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Speaker 3: get to that, I've got a very small confession to make.

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Speaker 3: I feel a bit guilty about it, and I don't

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Speaker 3: know if I should, so I'm going to keep it

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Speaker 3: as clean as possible. But it involves this year toilet

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Speaker 3: of the cubicles, and I always do a cursory flush beforehand.

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Speaker 3: It's just my thing, and I don't know why. I

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Speaker 3: So I ended up just doing what I needed to

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Speaker 3: I didn't clog it, by the way, that was already there.

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Speaker 2: Do you think you should have got the plunger out

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Speaker 3: A what I'm thinking, maybe I should off. You know,

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Speaker 3: I feel like a bit of a coward from just

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well maybe you're doing it now. Is anyone that

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Speaker 2: But you already were a coward because we went into

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Speaker 2: Look, someone says some of us are having lunch. You

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Speaker 3: lunch right after three o'clock. Jennifer Hanniston recently revealed in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so she said, I don't want to adopt a

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Speaker 2: So is how important is that? Does it matter if

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is going to be an interesting chat. And

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Speaker 3: So that is after three o'clock, after two o'clock. Medical tourism,

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Speaker 6: grabbing the shared plates. They still want to dine out.

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Speaker 6: Kiwi's love Hospital, and that's why our industry continues to

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Speaker 2: Some subdued, some some dude volume, great eggscent, love it. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Where do you think she's from? Specifically, I think she's

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Speaker 3: Yes, so this is perhaps the best reflection of the

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Speaker 3: Tipping tipping in New Zealand that has dropped a mass

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Speaker 2: As I said before, I'm a big fan of tipping,

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Speaker 2: time to tip. If you've got a bit of money

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Speaker 2: If you love a restaurant and you enjoyed the service

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Speaker 2: pretty good, right, And you know, ideally it goes straight

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Speaker 2: That's that's you know, the person that's actually served you

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Speaker 2: and you've had the relationship with, not the actual relationship

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Speaker 2: Gon on topic here. What I mean is the person

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Speaker 2: you've you've interacted, they've they've given you good service, then

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Speaker 2: what is wrong with that? I think tipping is good generosity,

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Speaker 3: Do you think there is a lot of pushback here

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Speaker 3: just on you know, the point you made about those

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Speaker 3: cafes you love. I think it's a very very fair point,

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Speaker 3: and that's probably where I don't do a lot of tipping.

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Speaker 3: I'll be up front here, but that is where.

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Speaker 2: You're a shockingly stooly guy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So yeah, I mean that's is it all, really,

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Speaker 3: doesn't it? But the place that I would hopefully tip

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Speaker 3: don't want to see them go go under, and I

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Speaker 2: One hundred and eighty ten eighty What do you think

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Speaker 2: Guys in a country that is a minimum has a

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Speaker 2: minimum wage. Why are you only tipping hospitality staff? Example,

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Speaker 2: my wife works at Valentine's department store and gets minimum wage.

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Speaker 2: Why are you not tipping her? Why haven't I haven't

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Speaker 2: been into that department store?

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Speaker 3: It's beautiful.

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Speaker 2: I know security guards are on minium wage. Why are

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Speaker 2: you not tipping them? It's a very interesting point that

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Speaker 2: you raise, Texter, Yeah, come on through. Who should you

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Speaker 2: tip and who shouldn't you tip? In New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: It's a great question. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty

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Speaker 3: tipping culture in New Zealand. Do we need to be

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Speaker 3: a bit more generous when we've had good service? Or

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Speaker 3: does the idea of it make you feel a bit uncomfortable?

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Speaker 2: Love to hear from you this TEXTA guy says, you

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Speaker 3: It'd be eighteen past one. We're talking about tipping in

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Speaker 3: On average, I work in a French cafe and never

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Speaker 2: Go so good. I dropped a tip there, did you. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: You noob ah, I don't know. You know that if

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Speaker 2: I think it could make a difference. Well yeah, I

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Speaker 2: I mean I'm not going to ever be able to

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Speaker 2: a little bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I won't keep the

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Speaker 3: You nob, I do like the word no, I'm not

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 7: Hi there, Hi, Hello.

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Speaker 2: Hi Teresa. So you tip the people to do your names?

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Speaker 7: When they do my hoops, I make it your hoops. Absolutely?

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Speaker 7: Did you never know they might stickle somewhere really really

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Speaker 7: sensitive And I'm like, you know, do the old kickback?

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Speaker 7: But no, I think you know, a little bit of coffee.

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Speaker 7: They're gonna have a coffee with their lunch or something. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: ten bucks on top of a pedicure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And how long are you does it take to

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Speaker 7: Anywhere from twenty to forty five minutes, depending on how

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Speaker 2: So they're spending quite a lot of time with you.

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Speaker 7: I do? And when I do? And when I and

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Speaker 7: I when I walk in, they kind of to me,

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Speaker 7: I'm gonna go I'm going to the kind of fight

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, So do you think you get better service

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Speaker 7: It's it's not the service, it's the consistency.

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Speaker 9: That I like.

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Speaker 2: How so, what do you mean?

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Speaker 7: And I know they don't get I know they don't

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Speaker 7: get a lot of money. I know they don't get

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you mean by the what do you

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Speaker 7: Oh? They always go above and beyond, you know, consistent

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Speaker 7: the persons, Yeah, I'm getting a little bit more than that,

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Speaker 7: a little bit longer the side. The stones are nice,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So and do you have a do you have

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Speaker 2: a conversation, because you know I was talking about before

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Speaker 2: hate you tend to tap people that you have some

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Speaker 2: them you have, are you having a chat about life

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Speaker 7: There's a little bit of a language barrier. Thank god

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Speaker 7: you have those new earbuds now so they can't really

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Speaker 7: what they're saying. You drop on the whole conversation that's

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Speaker 7: going up throughout the salon. And it's pretty funny. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: I'm laughing. I don't think that. Yeah, so I'll apply.

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Speaker 7: I understand what you're saying. That's pretty funny. Those are

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Speaker 2: Have in the wow sal What kind of things are

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Speaker 7: Oh you know, this one doesn't get their feet done enough.

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Speaker 7: This disgusting teenagers are like ignoring their mama no respect.

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Speaker 5: Just laugh.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's cool. And how do you pay the tip?

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Speaker 2: Is it additional thing? You slip cash or you slipt cash? Right, So, as.

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Speaker 7: Soon as I sit down.

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Speaker 2: At the start, that makes sense because then the absolutely

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Speaker 2: so it's you know, it's indicating that that's going to

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Speaker 2: but the tips separate, and so you're getting to get

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Speaker 7: Then I do I love cash. Cash is king. So

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Speaker 7: even when I do have dinner, when I go out

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Speaker 7: and have dinner, and I tip, because I lived in

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Speaker 7: the States for a long time, so that's just the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what we just get.

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Speaker 7: But so if I get a really good service or

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Speaker 7: the food is phenomenal, I'll go to the kitchen and

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Speaker 7: tip the head shift in the kitchen, I'll go to

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Speaker 7: the way way thanks very much. All, you know, just

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Speaker 7: hand it to the actual person that's that I've enjoyed

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Speaker 7: the experience. Is he any whip the kitchen? Yeah, they go,

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Speaker 7: I think, buy yourselves off a beer each or something

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Speaker 7: you know, they're quite shocked.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that's a decent tip. If you're tipping a whole

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Speaker 2: kitchener beer.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, have a drink on me, just the chiefs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the ship, just just the shifts, right.

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Speaker 7: They want to they want to give it to the

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Speaker 7: dishwasher them.

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Speaker 11: That's fine, you know, that's entirely You don't know how

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Speaker 11: well you know, if your dishes didn't have any lipstick

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Speaker 11: marks on them, the place and whoever was, whoever's been

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Speaker 11: cleaning these dishes, they were so clean.

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Speaker 2: I just want to flick your fift feet and how

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Speaker 2: do you think it look? Do? Do you fold it

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Speaker 2: up to me?

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Speaker 12: No?

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Speaker 2: You go sorry, Teresa.

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Speaker 7: You know when like if it's really like when you

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Speaker 7: know that the dishes are just stacked. That why I'm

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Speaker 3: Oh right? Is that awkwards to Theresa?

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Speaker 7: That you know?

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Speaker 3: Do they You mentioned that there's a bit of shock

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Speaker 7: Absolutely?

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Speaker 3: And so what do you do? You just got to

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Speaker 3: not something that's off and done in New Zealand, particularly

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Speaker 3: going to back your house and saying love you work,

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Speaker 3: here's the money.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: No, I'll tell you. The thing is seeing the looks

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Speaker 7: It's an absolute genuine thank you smile. And you don't

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Speaker 7: a lot. But when you go and you make the

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Speaker 7: then just like like ten twenty bucks to go a

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Speaker 2: And it's not just the money either. It's that someone's

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, I just here you go. This is for you.

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Speaker 7: Thanks so much. You have a bear at the end

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Speaker 2: Something good on you, Teresa, and thanks for thanks.

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Speaker 7: I have no problem just going in and I'm thinking

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Speaker 3: You know, we can hear that. Absolutely love it. Teresa,

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Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 3: How would you feel about tipping culture in New Zealand?

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Speaker 3: Do you tip when you get phenomenal service? And do

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Speaker 2: Brendan says. Earbuds translate languages. Yeah, they can. An amazing

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Speaker 2: piece of technology now where you can flick it on

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Speaker 3: Yeah. How a incredible I mean, it's.

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Speaker 2: The Babelfish from from the Hitchhugger's Guide to the Universe,

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Speaker 3: Come real, yea, it is fascinating.

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Speaker 2: So what we're talking about, we're talking about tipping. Are

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Speaker 3: In New Zealand twenty six past one.

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Speaker 1: The headlines and the hard questions, it's the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 13: We have seen those spending increase in hospital for the

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Speaker 2: There's something going on there. Do you know what it is?

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Speaker 13: Is it tourism or is it locals just feed up

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Speaker 13: and they want a sandwich in the beer.

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Speaker 6: From what we're seeing it as an uptake and tourism numbers,

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Speaker 13: Is it the immigrant issue as well, in the sense

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Speaker 13: that are we over hospit?

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Speaker 6: Look, I think, you know, hospitality is a very accessible

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Speaker 6: business model, but I think that's what makes it dynamic.

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Speaker 14: That's why, as a consumer.

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Speaker 6: Of hospitality, I know you're in a great possession. However,

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Speaker 3: B, very good afternoons. You we're talking about tipping in

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Speaker 3: to the Hospitality Association's latest report. What do you say?

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Speaker 2: Teresa just before was a big fan of it. Craig

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Speaker 2: here as not. He says, we don't need tipping here

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Speaker 2: as workers are on minimum wage. They don't get paid

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Speaker 2: low wages like the States. Tipping the dishwasher that is

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Speaker 2: bloody stupid.

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00:19:38,093 --> 00:19:39,453
Speaker 3: Says great, thank you very much for that.

439
00:19:39,493 --> 00:19:45,293
Speaker 2: Teams, what do you think about it? I mean, John, sorry, that's.

440
00:19:45,133 --> 00:19:48,613
Speaker 9: Okay, buddy, I'm all for it. I mean, you know,

441
00:19:49,013 --> 00:19:53,052
Speaker 9: I I pay cash. My beer cost nine dollars ninety

442
00:19:53,693 --> 00:19:55,813
Speaker 9: so I just said, put the ten cent piece in

443
00:19:55,893 --> 00:19:58,773
Speaker 9: the in the jar. Generous wish they did, and you know,

444
00:19:58,933 --> 00:20:01,693
Speaker 9: urst three beers, sorry tours three times a week will

445
00:20:01,733 --> 00:20:04,173
Speaker 9: be in there. And you know, over a period of

446
00:20:04,173 --> 00:20:09,093
Speaker 9: about you know, ten months added up and and the

447
00:20:09,093 --> 00:20:12,213
Speaker 9: beer went to ten dollars. So the end of the night,

448
00:20:12,293 --> 00:20:14,613
Speaker 9: I just gave him five backs, you know, in the jar.

449
00:20:15,053 --> 00:20:18,133
Speaker 9: So I don't think it's a bad thing. And you know,

450
00:20:18,293 --> 00:20:22,053
Speaker 9: I've always said good service were gone, and so yeah,

451
00:20:22,893 --> 00:20:27,493
Speaker 9: I think it's okay. I also also I agree with

452
00:20:27,573 --> 00:20:32,253
Speaker 9: you don't go with the American sister meet. I agree

453
00:20:32,293 --> 00:20:33,733
Speaker 9: with both both sides.

454
00:20:34,533 --> 00:20:35,893
Speaker 2: I got on you. So you've got a bit of

455
00:20:35,893 --> 00:20:38,493
Speaker 2: a name, as you got known as ten cent John

456
00:20:38,533 --> 00:20:40,253
Speaker 2: for a while there with your ten cent touch John.

457
00:20:40,333 --> 00:20:46,093
Speaker 15: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I was and you know, but

458
00:20:46,173 --> 00:20:47,973
Speaker 15: then that was a bit of fun, you know, I

459
00:20:47,973 --> 00:20:51,453
Speaker 15: mean it was more about having a good time rather

460
00:20:51,573 --> 00:20:55,013
Speaker 15: than you know, yeah, just.

461
00:20:54,973 --> 00:20:56,973
Speaker 2: A little way to show you appreciation. Thank you so

462
00:20:57,053 --> 00:20:59,213
Speaker 2: much for your call. John. I remember as in a

463
00:20:59,213 --> 00:21:00,973
Speaker 2: bar in New York once I was there with my

464
00:21:01,013 --> 00:21:04,013
Speaker 2: mate Peers, and he kept on tipping the guy like

465
00:21:04,093 --> 00:21:07,493
Speaker 2: quarters and you know back then, I'm not sure if

466
00:21:07,493 --> 00:21:09,093
Speaker 2: it's the same, but it's a what was it's a

467
00:21:09,133 --> 00:21:12,413
Speaker 2: bucket beer. Basically you slip a bucket beer, right, yeah, right.

468
00:21:12,453 --> 00:21:14,213
Speaker 2: And then finally the guy behind the bar who looked

469
00:21:14,213 --> 00:21:16,613
Speaker 2: exactly at Bruce Springsteen wasn't Bruce Springstey, but it look

470
00:21:16,653 --> 00:21:18,973
Speaker 2: exactly like a young Bruce Bean said finally said to Pears,

471
00:21:19,213 --> 00:21:20,693
Speaker 2: you're killing me with these quarters.

472
00:21:20,693 --> 00:21:23,573
Speaker 3: Man, you're killing me with these quarters. Just give them

473
00:21:23,573 --> 00:21:26,853
Speaker 3: a noe yeer. Come on, man, I love that all right?

474
00:21:26,853 --> 00:21:28,973
Speaker 3: Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

475
00:21:29,013 --> 00:21:31,133
Speaker 3: to call tipping in New Zealand. Do you do it

476
00:21:31,173 --> 00:21:34,453
Speaker 3: to show a bit of appreciation or are you again.

477
00:21:34,213 --> 00:21:37,453
Speaker 2: It's I'm going to say prime on these text machines.

478
00:21:37,733 --> 00:21:38,933
Speaker 2: A lot of people are against it.

479
00:21:39,053 --> 00:21:41,413
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is twenty nine to two hateful people.

480
00:21:43,653 --> 00:21:46,053
Speaker 1: You talk said the headlines.

481
00:21:45,533 --> 00:21:48,773
Speaker 16: With blue bubble taxis it's no trouble with a blue bubble.

482
00:21:49,213 --> 00:21:52,853
Speaker 16: The Nurses organization is demanding the government change the law

483
00:21:53,173 --> 00:21:56,533
Speaker 16: to help an aged care sector in crisis. It says

484
00:21:56,573 --> 00:22:00,213
Speaker 16: evidence based safe staffing needs to be entrined in law

485
00:22:00,613 --> 00:22:05,093
Speaker 16: and funding increased breast cancer screenings are free from today

486
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Speaker 16: for women aged seventy and seventy four. Under the nationwide

487
00:22:09,893 --> 00:22:14,173
Speaker 16: rollout of expanded screening, women aged seventy one, seventy two

488
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Speaker 16: and seventy three will be added to the list each

489
00:22:16,933 --> 00:22:22,333
Speaker 16: October for the next three years. Concerns Garza's ceasefire deal

490
00:22:22,573 --> 00:22:27,052
Speaker 16: is at risk as Israel withholds aid to Palestinians and

491
00:22:27,213 --> 00:22:30,773
Speaker 16: humas miss is a deadline for delivering dead hostages bodies,

492
00:22:31,133 --> 00:22:35,213
Speaker 16: saying it's proving hard in Gaza's rubble. Pelisa recovered a

493
00:22:35,293 --> 00:22:38,773
Speaker 16: body from the water at Auckland's Teata two peninsular Inlet,

494
00:22:39,093 --> 00:22:42,413
Speaker 16: spotted near the State Highway sixteen off ramp about seven

495
00:22:42,453 --> 00:22:47,133
Speaker 16: this morning. Walworths has become New Zealand's first national retailer

496
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Speaker 16: to offer one hundred percent cage free eggs. It's hoping

497
00:22:50,853 --> 00:22:54,493
Speaker 16: all were Warlworts brand products will next transition to only

498
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Speaker 16: being made with cage free eggs. We've had to be adaptable.

499
00:22:59,373 --> 00:23:03,293
Speaker 16: Hospitality sector faces tough year of change. You can read

500
00:23:03,333 --> 00:23:07,293
Speaker 16: more at Ensidherrald Premium. Back to Matt Eath and Tyler Adams.

501
00:23:06,933 --> 00:23:08,853
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Rayleen, and that is what we're

502
00:23:08,853 --> 00:23:12,053
Speaker 3: talking about. The Hospitality report shows some growth across the

503
00:23:12,213 --> 00:23:15,373
Speaker 3: nation one point four percent, but a big drop in tipping.

504
00:23:15,493 --> 00:23:17,093
Speaker 3: On average, it's down forty percent.

505
00:23:17,333 --> 00:23:19,973
Speaker 2: Guys going out to a restaurant has become increasingly more

506
00:23:20,013 --> 00:23:22,933
Speaker 2: expensive as businesses have all pushed up pricing to cope

507
00:23:22,933 --> 00:23:25,533
Speaker 2: with inflation and minimum wage increases that have been forced

508
00:23:25,573 --> 00:23:27,653
Speaker 2: upon them, mainly as a result of the previous government,

509
00:23:27,693 --> 00:23:30,292
Speaker 2: says Paul. Given that they were given that we are

510
00:23:30,333 --> 00:23:32,532
Speaker 2: paying higher prices for the privilege of eating at a

511
00:23:32,573 --> 00:23:35,053
Speaker 2: restaurant or a cafe, I don't believe we should then

512
00:23:35,093 --> 00:23:37,853
Speaker 2: be asked to pay their staff wages on top. So

513
00:23:37,933 --> 00:23:40,253
Speaker 2: tipping is a no for me unless there is an

514
00:23:40,253 --> 00:23:43,293
Speaker 2: exceptional circumstance, and then I'd prefer to give a tip

515
00:23:43,333 --> 00:23:46,333
Speaker 2: directly to the waitress, not have it added to the bill.

516
00:23:46,413 --> 00:23:46,653
Speaker 17: Paul.

517
00:23:47,013 --> 00:23:49,613
Speaker 2: It is an awkward thing that we've all experienced. I

518
00:23:49,613 --> 00:23:51,213
Speaker 2: imagine when you're in a restaurant and you go to

519
00:23:51,253 --> 00:23:53,572
Speaker 2: pay the bill and the post comes up with that

520
00:23:53,613 --> 00:23:56,853
Speaker 2: screen tip yeap. I hate it, Yeah that because that's

521
00:23:56,973 --> 00:23:59,093
Speaker 2: not that that makes you feel a little bit compelled

522
00:23:59,173 --> 00:24:04,373
Speaker 2: to tip. Yeah, yeah, so, and I will tip there absolutely.

523
00:24:04,413 --> 00:24:07,813
Speaker 2: I will do it. But in the perfect world, I'd

524
00:24:07,813 --> 00:24:11,333
Speaker 2: like to handle sweaty twenty, sweaty fifty, yeah, wrapped up

525
00:24:11,333 --> 00:24:13,653
Speaker 2: in my hands secretly, just to the weight stuff.

526
00:24:13,733 --> 00:24:16,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I think that shows your appreciation more. Because,

527
00:24:16,293 --> 00:24:18,893
Speaker 3: as you say, when I'm up there and it comes

528
00:24:18,933 --> 00:24:20,893
Speaker 3: time to say, would you like to add a tip,

529
00:24:20,933 --> 00:24:23,453
Speaker 3: and the lovely waiter is looking me dead in the

530
00:24:23,493 --> 00:24:26,333
Speaker 3: eyes waiting for my move, and I have to put no.

531
00:24:26,773 --> 00:24:28,613
Speaker 3: I feel like a real dirt bag. And I shouldn't

532
00:24:28,653 --> 00:24:30,413
Speaker 3: be made to feel like a dirt bag. If it

533
00:24:30,453 --> 00:24:32,973
Speaker 3: was really good and I wasn't so stingy, I want

534
00:24:33,013 --> 00:24:34,213
Speaker 3: to give him a twenty.

535
00:24:34,013 --> 00:24:36,693
Speaker 2: Of yeah, because it's not expected there yea. And sometimes

536
00:24:36,733 --> 00:24:39,133
Speaker 2: they seem quite awkward when they're doing it. Sometimes I've

537
00:24:39,173 --> 00:24:41,292
Speaker 2: been in residence and I just flick through that because

538
00:24:41,493 --> 00:24:43,533
Speaker 2: they feel a bit awkward about it. I think there's

539
00:24:43,533 --> 00:24:45,813
Speaker 2: another part of tipping in New Zealand is we don't

540
00:24:45,853 --> 00:24:48,933
Speaker 2: feel like we're above other people, and we don't want

541
00:24:48,973 --> 00:24:51,333
Speaker 2: to lud ourselves above other people. So as much as

542
00:24:51,373 --> 00:24:55,653
Speaker 2: the person might want the money, we don't feel like

543
00:24:55,973 --> 00:24:58,653
Speaker 2: we can go he here you are, here's the money,

544
00:24:58,693 --> 00:25:01,133
Speaker 2: like you're James Bond or something, you know at the

545
00:25:01,173 --> 00:25:03,893
Speaker 2: Casino Royal. Yeah, there is a lot of logic in that,

546
00:25:04,333 --> 00:25:08,453
Speaker 2: so you don't want to go than you Yeah, you

547
00:25:08,693 --> 00:25:10,093
Speaker 2: want to give. If you want to give a tip,

548
00:25:10,133 --> 00:25:11,493
Speaker 2: you want to give it away to say I think

549
00:25:11,533 --> 00:25:14,013
Speaker 2: that you're great, but I think we're unevil. You know,

550
00:25:14,013 --> 00:25:18,653
Speaker 2: you're not service and on royalty or something where even Stevens,

551
00:25:18,653 --> 00:25:19,693
Speaker 2: I just want to give you a little bit more

552
00:25:19,693 --> 00:25:20,653
Speaker 2: money because I think you're great.

553
00:25:20,733 --> 00:25:23,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a big key we thing, absolutely, Shirley. You

554
00:25:24,053 --> 00:25:25,253
Speaker 3: are a cafe owner.

555
00:25:26,093 --> 00:25:27,893
Speaker 18: Yes, I am for seventeen years.

556
00:25:29,213 --> 00:25:32,173
Speaker 2: Well, good, good stuff. How's the hospitality? Ha's the cafe

557
00:25:32,173 --> 00:25:33,893
Speaker 2: industry going for you at the moment, Shirley.

558
00:25:34,813 --> 00:25:36,133
Speaker 18: Yes, good, it's fine.

559
00:25:37,093 --> 00:25:39,613
Speaker 5: We're doing very well. So I'm very happy with that.

560
00:25:40,333 --> 00:25:44,093
Speaker 18: I guess I just want to talk about the tips

561
00:25:44,733 --> 00:25:48,693
Speaker 18: we've had. The staff have had a tip jar. I

562
00:25:48,733 --> 00:25:51,532
Speaker 18: can't remember when it first started, to be perfectly honest,

563
00:25:51,613 --> 00:25:55,693
Speaker 18: and it sits on the counter and as a customer

564
00:25:55,893 --> 00:25:59,653
Speaker 18: wants to tip, the stuff that goes into the tip jar.

565
00:26:00,493 --> 00:26:05,293
Speaker 18: And then when we first started doing it, I said

566
00:26:05,413 --> 00:26:09,493
Speaker 18: to them, this is your money, you do with it

567
00:26:10,013 --> 00:26:14,253
Speaker 18: what you wish. And they talked about divving it up

568
00:26:14,293 --> 00:26:16,453
Speaker 18: between them or going out.

569
00:26:16,373 --> 00:26:17,973
Speaker 5: For a social event.

570
00:26:18,893 --> 00:26:21,453
Speaker 18: So I suggested to them they are social events really

571
00:26:21,453 --> 00:26:23,853
Speaker 18: good because the whole team has worked really hard to

572
00:26:23,893 --> 00:26:27,653
Speaker 18: earn that ter and it's been going on for years

573
00:26:27,853 --> 00:26:31,653
Speaker 18: and it works really well. I mean, it's just up

574
00:26:31,693 --> 00:26:33,693
Speaker 18: to the individual customer if they wanted to pull not.

575
00:26:33,893 --> 00:26:38,053
Speaker 18: So there's not a mandatory thing. And I certainly don't

576
00:26:38,093 --> 00:26:39,773
Speaker 18: receive anything from the tiptar.

577
00:26:40,253 --> 00:26:42,533
Speaker 2: Do you when you say it is divd up with everyone,

578
00:26:42,533 --> 00:26:44,933
Speaker 2: does that include the dishwasher out the back?

579
00:26:46,053 --> 00:26:46,813
Speaker 18: It's everyone.

580
00:26:47,213 --> 00:26:47,813
Speaker 3: It's nice.

581
00:26:48,013 --> 00:26:52,333
Speaker 18: So yeah, so they moved away from that because they've

582
00:26:52,413 --> 00:26:54,613
Speaker 18: decided doing something to hether as a.

583
00:26:54,733 --> 00:26:57,053
Speaker 9: Team was part better.

584
00:26:57,533 --> 00:27:02,613
Speaker 18: Whether they went to another staff member's house and hadews.

585
00:27:02,333 --> 00:27:03,973
Speaker 19: In beer, that's what they do.

586
00:27:04,453 --> 00:27:08,253
Speaker 2: Yeah. And are you a cafe where there's table service

587
00:27:08,453 --> 00:27:09,933
Speaker 2: or do people come up to the counter to get

588
00:27:09,973 --> 00:27:10,613
Speaker 2: their their food?

589
00:27:11,773 --> 00:27:15,093
Speaker 18: Are they I've got two kfas one is in a

590
00:27:15,173 --> 00:27:18,093
Speaker 18: food call and one we deliver food.

591
00:27:17,973 --> 00:27:22,013
Speaker 2: Tables and so are people like slipping the you know

592
00:27:22,013 --> 00:27:25,973
Speaker 2: where they slip the table staff, the weight staff, you

593
00:27:26,013 --> 00:27:28,053
Speaker 2: know a twenty Is that something that happens?

594
00:27:29,253 --> 00:27:31,613
Speaker 18: No, No, not that I'm aware of.

595
00:27:33,613 --> 00:27:34,453
Speaker 9: They do pay it.

596
00:27:35,573 --> 00:27:39,453
Speaker 18: They do pay it the counter, so I don't believe

597
00:27:39,533 --> 00:27:42,533
Speaker 18: anyone slipped anybody any money. I think what habits is

598
00:27:42,653 --> 00:27:46,013
Speaker 18: of openers. You know, I've just been given ten dollars. Well,

599
00:27:46,173 --> 00:27:47,573
Speaker 18: you know that's great, and it goes.

600
00:27:47,453 --> 00:27:48,653
Speaker 9: Straight into the tip jar.

601
00:27:49,053 --> 00:27:49,253
Speaker 4: Right.

602
00:27:49,373 --> 00:27:52,213
Speaker 3: Have you noticed a certain demographic they're tips more?

603
00:27:53,493 --> 00:27:57,813
Speaker 18: Well, it's there's the people with cash obviously do the

604
00:27:57,853 --> 00:28:01,293
Speaker 18: tipping because we don't facility by f pos.

605
00:28:01,453 --> 00:28:03,773
Speaker 19: So that's yeah, people.

606
00:28:03,493 --> 00:28:04,533
Speaker 18: With cash do the tipping.

607
00:28:04,933 --> 00:28:07,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, the tip jars, the tip jars would have

608
00:28:07,013 --> 00:28:10,173
Speaker 2: taken a massive hit and in recent years as cash disappears.

609
00:28:10,293 --> 00:28:11,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, im.

610
00:28:12,493 --> 00:28:14,853
Speaker 2: Well, thanks, thank you so much for calling in, Shirley,

611
00:28:14,893 --> 00:28:18,373
Speaker 2: and I'm very pleased to hear that your cafe businesses

612
00:28:18,413 --> 00:28:20,693
Speaker 2: are going well. Congratulations on that because it's not not

613
00:28:20,773 --> 00:28:24,093
Speaker 2: easy out there, so you must be running a quality service.

614
00:28:25,373 --> 00:28:26,053
Speaker 5: I thank you that.

615
00:28:26,253 --> 00:28:28,533
Speaker 3: Have a great day you too, Shirley, Thank you very much.

616
00:28:28,613 --> 00:28:30,813
Speaker 3: Just on the old tip jar, saw one the other

617
00:28:30,853 --> 00:28:32,613
Speaker 3: day and I thought it was genius and it's kind

618
00:28:32,693 --> 00:28:35,133
Speaker 3: of different to tipping. But I don't know if you've

619
00:28:35,133 --> 00:28:37,733
Speaker 3: seen this. They put a lemon in water in a

620
00:28:37,813 --> 00:28:40,333
Speaker 3: jar and if you can balance a coin on top

621
00:28:40,333 --> 00:28:42,373
Speaker 3: of the lemon, you get a free drink. And this

622
00:28:42,533 --> 00:28:44,893
Speaker 3: cafe I went into and obviously they serve booths at

623
00:28:44,893 --> 00:28:48,413
Speaker 3: this cafe. That jar was stacked, man, because it's quite enticing.

624
00:28:48,493 --> 00:28:49,773
Speaker 3: If you've got a coin, you're going to try and

625
00:28:49,773 --> 00:28:51,573
Speaker 3: balance it on the lemon. Even if you win, you

626
00:28:51,653 --> 00:28:53,533
Speaker 3: might say, don't worry about the pints. I just wanted

627
00:28:53,533 --> 00:28:54,013
Speaker 3: to give it a go.

628
00:28:54,213 --> 00:28:54,853
Speaker 2: That sounds fun.

629
00:28:54,933 --> 00:28:55,853
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was really fun.

630
00:28:55,893 --> 00:28:58,133
Speaker 2: I'd like to give that a go. I totally agree, Matt.

631
00:28:58,173 --> 00:29:00,333
Speaker 2: But don't forget about the chef. He or she is

632
00:29:00,373 --> 00:29:02,733
Speaker 2: the one doing the mahi behind the scenes. I mean

633
00:29:02,773 --> 00:29:06,573
Speaker 2: that's a good point. You know, the weight staff, how

634
00:29:06,613 --> 00:29:08,573
Speaker 2: does it work in America? That'd be interesting someone that's

635
00:29:08,613 --> 00:29:10,333
Speaker 2: worked over there. How does it work with the tips

636
00:29:10,373 --> 00:29:12,573
Speaker 2: going back to the back room. Yeah, because you know

637
00:29:12,933 --> 00:29:16,533
Speaker 2: the shift chefs who share all the people doing all

638
00:29:16,533 --> 00:29:18,413
Speaker 2: the work back there, but they don't have that direct

639
00:29:18,453 --> 00:29:21,853
Speaker 2: relationship with the with the customer to be able to

640
00:29:21,973 --> 00:29:23,253
Speaker 2: get the little cheeky tip.

641
00:29:23,333 --> 00:29:25,213
Speaker 3: You'd hope they get something if you know, oh, eight

642
00:29:25,333 --> 00:29:27,453
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty. But keen on your general

643
00:29:27,493 --> 00:29:30,613
Speaker 3: thoughts about tipping. Do you tip and where do you tip.

644
00:29:30,733 --> 00:29:33,013
Speaker 3: It's gone down forty percent, but ken toy hear from

645
00:29:33,053 --> 00:29:34,373
Speaker 3: you on oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

646
00:29:34,653 --> 00:29:36,693
Speaker 2: You got to tip someone that takes your bag up

647
00:29:36,693 --> 00:29:38,533
Speaker 2: to your room in a hotel, right, oh, one hundred percent.

648
00:29:38,653 --> 00:29:41,093
Speaker 2: And you've got to tip people that clean your room

649
00:29:41,173 --> 00:29:41,493
Speaker 2: if you.

650
00:29:41,453 --> 00:29:44,253
Speaker 3: Can, definitely, And I'd say Uber as well. They Uber

651
00:29:44,333 --> 00:29:45,253
Speaker 3: is a big thing for tipping.

652
00:29:45,333 --> 00:29:46,853
Speaker 2: Yeah, but some people push back on that. And there's

653
00:29:46,853 --> 00:29:50,533
Speaker 2: someone's saying here that that yeah, saying that the rides

654
00:29:50,533 --> 00:29:53,653
Speaker 2: here people are the most important people. If this texasays,

655
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Speaker 2: Scott says. If anyone deserves tips, it's ride cheer drivers

656
00:29:56,453 --> 00:29:58,533
Speaker 2: who are in New Zealand make as little as one

657
00:29:58,573 --> 00:30:00,413
Speaker 2: third of what you pay and have to cover their

658
00:30:00,453 --> 00:30:03,213
Speaker 2: expenses ten dollars. Ride driver gets three dollars and still

659
00:30:03,213 --> 00:30:06,053
Speaker 2: has to pay petrol, road user and maintenance tax. Yeah,

660
00:30:06,053 --> 00:30:09,493
Speaker 2: and I will always tip tip my driver under that circumstances.

661
00:30:09,493 --> 00:30:13,573
Speaker 2: But some people argue that allows Uber and the like

662
00:30:13,653 --> 00:30:15,453
Speaker 2: to not pay the proper wages.

663
00:30:15,573 --> 00:30:17,453
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that is the danger, right yeah. Yeah, Oh

664
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Speaker 3: eight hundred eighty ten eighties. The number to call, it's

665
00:30:19,453 --> 00:30:20,853
Speaker 3: eighteen to two.

666
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Speaker 1: Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on Oh, eight

667
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Speaker 1: hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's mad Heath and Tylor

668
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Speaker 1: Adams Afternoons News Talks Envy.

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Speaker 3: Very good afternoon to you. We're talking about tipping in

670
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Speaker 3: New Zealand. It's down forty percent according to the latest

671
00:30:34,333 --> 00:30:37,853
Speaker 3: hospitality report. So do you tip? And why I love

672
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Speaker 3: to hear from you?

673
00:30:38,573 --> 00:30:40,613
Speaker 2: Hi guys. We've just returned from a trip to Europe

674
00:30:40,653 --> 00:30:43,213
Speaker 2: since this text, where typically has become an expectation in

675
00:30:43,293 --> 00:30:46,093
Speaker 2: many tourist areas and on cruise ships, we ignored their

676
00:30:46,133 --> 00:30:48,613
Speaker 2: expectation and paid tips, just as we do in New Zealand,

677
00:30:48,933 --> 00:30:51,653
Speaker 2: only for exceptional service. We don't tip for a service

678
00:30:51,733 --> 00:30:54,893
Speaker 2: level that is expected, but if someone does something for

679
00:30:55,053 --> 00:30:57,533
Speaker 2: us that's over and above their jobs, we will give

680
00:30:57,533 --> 00:30:58,133
Speaker 2: them a good tip.

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00:30:58,333 --> 00:30:58,533
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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00:30:58,613 --> 00:30:59,373
Speaker 2: Nice, God's Liz.

683
00:30:59,453 --> 00:30:59,813
Speaker 3: Good on you.

684
00:30:59,893 --> 00:31:02,493
Speaker 2: Liz seem like a good person. Matt, did you tip

685
00:31:02,533 --> 00:31:04,773
Speaker 2: for the chakra? And Rewalker? Let's not talk about that incident,

686
00:31:04,853 --> 00:31:07,653
Speaker 2: and Rewalker. We're not going to talk about that. MN

687
00:31:07,653 --> 00:31:08,333
Speaker 2: shouldn't read that.

688
00:31:08,893 --> 00:31:10,253
Speaker 3: We need to bring that up another day.

689
00:31:10,333 --> 00:31:12,573
Speaker 2: In New Zealand, we have industrial laws that mean people

690
00:31:12,613 --> 00:31:16,333
Speaker 2: earn a reasonable wage minimum, often the living wage, other

691
00:31:16,373 --> 00:31:19,133
Speaker 2: O commentations do not get tipped, so not necessary.

692
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Speaker 3: Good points?

693
00:31:20,653 --> 00:31:23,293
Speaker 2: Is this text up Joe, welcome to the show.

694
00:31:24,613 --> 00:31:28,893
Speaker 18: Hi, I'm just driving. I'm just going to pull over

695
00:31:29,013 --> 00:31:31,453
Speaker 18: so I can take it on Sainsbury.

696
00:31:31,973 --> 00:31:34,253
Speaker 2: Be careful with you're pulling over? How are you going?

697
00:31:34,573 --> 00:31:37,493
Speaker 2: You're indicating indicating it's good? Did you look? Do you

698
00:31:37,533 --> 00:31:38,413
Speaker 2: check your blind spot?

699
00:31:39,093 --> 00:31:39,293
Speaker 20: Yeah?

700
00:31:39,813 --> 00:31:40,653
Speaker 3: You guinness before?

701
00:31:40,693 --> 00:31:42,173
Speaker 2: Do you need a parallel park? Do you need some

702
00:31:42,213 --> 00:31:43,853
Speaker 2: time to or? Are you're right?

703
00:31:44,413 --> 00:31:44,973
Speaker 12: I'm all good?

704
00:31:45,013 --> 00:31:46,653
Speaker 3: All stop now, beautifully done?

705
00:31:46,653 --> 00:31:48,933
Speaker 2: Wow? Listen how good your phone line is now that

706
00:31:48,933 --> 00:31:49,493
Speaker 2: you've stopped?

707
00:31:50,053 --> 00:31:51,893
Speaker 3: Yes, if it makes a difference, all right, we're good

708
00:31:51,933 --> 00:31:52,213
Speaker 3: to go.

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Speaker 12: I don't tip. And my concern with the tipping is

710
00:31:58,013 --> 00:32:01,093
Speaker 12: people are getting text free income often and that is

711
00:32:01,133 --> 00:32:01,933
Speaker 12: a concern.

712
00:32:03,173 --> 00:32:05,733
Speaker 2: That's a very good point. Do tips get text in

713
00:32:05,933 --> 00:32:08,693
Speaker 2: New Zealand? Or I mean, I imagine they wouldn't imagine

714
00:32:08,693 --> 00:32:11,133
Speaker 2: if you slipped someone to be a very honest person,

715
00:32:11,133 --> 00:32:13,533
Speaker 2: if you slip them a twenty, that they then informed

716
00:32:13,573 --> 00:32:15,293
Speaker 2: the idea about it, wouldn't they?

717
00:32:16,333 --> 00:32:19,373
Speaker 12: How many people will be declaring that on the so

718
00:32:19,413 --> 00:32:22,653
Speaker 12: it's all tax free income. Yeah, that's concern.

719
00:32:22,973 --> 00:32:26,413
Speaker 2: I imagine that you would be taxed if it's a

720
00:32:26,453 --> 00:32:28,853
Speaker 2: tip that comes through the f POS machine, you know, Joe,

721
00:32:28,933 --> 00:32:31,493
Speaker 2: when you when you go up and then sometimes there's

722
00:32:31,493 --> 00:32:34,293
Speaker 2: that screen saying do you want to tip? That? That

723
00:32:34,333 --> 00:32:36,213
Speaker 2: would surely because that that that would go through the

724
00:32:36,213 --> 00:32:38,613
Speaker 2: accountant all through the system, you account it's not going

725
00:32:38,653 --> 00:32:40,853
Speaker 2: to let you get away with that. Yeah, you had hoped.

726
00:32:40,893 --> 00:32:43,853
Speaker 12: So if it depends on the business owner, I guess

727
00:32:43,853 --> 00:32:45,733
Speaker 12: whether they do it logital or not, or they just

728
00:32:45,813 --> 00:32:48,773
Speaker 12: pass them the money. But you'd hope time well.

729
00:32:48,653 --> 00:32:51,813
Speaker 2: So and land Revenue defines these types of payments as

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00:32:51,933 --> 00:32:54,453
Speaker 2: non taxtable if less than two hundred dollars have received

731
00:32:54,453 --> 00:32:58,573
Speaker 2: in a single year. Okay, right, So if you get

732
00:32:58,653 --> 00:33:01,013
Speaker 2: less than two hundred tips in an entire year, then

733
00:33:01,053 --> 00:33:02,893
Speaker 2: you don't. Then the I D doesn't want to get involved.

734
00:33:02,893 --> 00:33:05,173
Speaker 3: So if you're ten cent John, you'll probably be okay, Well,

735
00:33:05,173 --> 00:33:05,533
Speaker 3: if it's.

736
00:33:05,453 --> 00:33:06,773
Speaker 12: True, you'll be fine on that one.

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00:33:07,013 --> 00:33:09,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, take a while.

738
00:33:11,853 --> 00:33:12,573
Speaker 3: He knew all along.

739
00:33:12,813 --> 00:33:14,973
Speaker 2: But I mean, you know, like so, I don't know

740
00:33:14,973 --> 00:33:17,213
Speaker 2: if there are tax agents going out there doing things.

741
00:33:17,213 --> 00:33:19,893
Speaker 2: But you know, you get your fifty dollars tip and

742
00:33:20,533 --> 00:33:21,973
Speaker 2: then you go. But that's the first one I've got.

743
00:33:22,133 --> 00:33:25,613
Speaker 12: You know they are doing stings in some industries. I

744
00:33:25,653 --> 00:33:28,453
Speaker 12: haven't heard the tipping one, but they do in some industries.

745
00:33:28,533 --> 00:33:30,733
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean the idea is really ramping up

746
00:33:30,733 --> 00:33:31,853
Speaker 2: their operations at the moment.

747
00:33:31,853 --> 00:33:32,493
Speaker 3: They certainly are.

748
00:33:32,693 --> 00:33:34,853
Speaker 2: Hey, thank you so much for calling Joe, and thank

749
00:33:34,893 --> 00:33:37,373
Speaker 2: you for taking the effort to pull over. Oh good,

750
00:33:39,013 --> 00:33:39,973
Speaker 2: you have a great afternoon.

751
00:33:40,293 --> 00:33:42,213
Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Share, how are you.

752
00:33:43,293 --> 00:33:44,453
Speaker 14: I'm just fine, guys.

753
00:33:44,493 --> 00:33:50,813
Speaker 10: I just want to talk about tipping please. Okay, So myself,

754
00:33:50,933 --> 00:33:52,573
Speaker 10: I've worked in the United States?

755
00:33:52,773 --> 00:33:55,453
Speaker 2: Is this the engin? This isn't the if I could

756
00:33:55,493 --> 00:33:57,653
Speaker 2: turn back time? Share? Is it?

757
00:33:57,853 --> 00:33:57,933
Speaker 21: No?

758
00:33:58,093 --> 00:34:00,853
Speaker 3: I only taped in all right, okay, so very similar.

759
00:34:03,533 --> 00:34:07,093
Speaker 2: So you've you've do you work in hospital over in

760
00:34:07,093 --> 00:34:08,893
Speaker 2: the States? Share, I have.

761
00:34:09,293 --> 00:34:12,773
Speaker 10: I've worked here. I've got nieces and I don't anymore.

762
00:34:12,973 --> 00:34:15,453
Speaker 10: I have nieces and nephews that work in the states.

763
00:34:15,973 --> 00:34:21,973
Speaker 10: In the United States, they get paid peanuts maybe if

764
00:34:22,053 --> 00:34:24,613
Speaker 10: it's a very nice place, maybe three dollars an hour.

765
00:34:25,173 --> 00:34:27,653
Speaker 14: Right, And I come from.

766
00:34:27,573 --> 00:34:32,333
Speaker 10: Seattle, and with outside the city of Seattle, there's a

767
00:34:32,373 --> 00:34:36,013
Speaker 10: minimum wage that takes place in Seattle that doesn't take

768
00:34:36,093 --> 00:34:38,613
Speaker 10: place in most places in the United States. But you

769
00:34:38,653 --> 00:34:42,013
Speaker 10: can't live on it. But your tips are huge, Okay,

770
00:34:42,053 --> 00:34:47,293
Speaker 10: And that's why this present government has decided that they

771
00:34:47,373 --> 00:34:53,253
Speaker 10: wanted to tax tips, and then the current president, mister Trump,

772
00:34:53,573 --> 00:34:55,453
Speaker 10: I decided he was only going to tax him to

773
00:34:55,493 --> 00:34:57,813
Speaker 10: a certain level. It doesn't make any difference. They don't

774
00:34:57,853 --> 00:35:01,893
Speaker 10: get paid much. That's why tipping props up their income.

775
00:35:02,213 --> 00:35:07,413
Speaker 10: Everybody in the US knows that. Here it's a different story. However,

776
00:35:08,653 --> 00:35:12,013
Speaker 10: I will tip here uber drivers because I think they're

777
00:35:12,013 --> 00:35:15,093
Speaker 10: getting Personally, I think they're getting ripped off. I don't

778
00:35:15,093 --> 00:35:18,733
Speaker 10: think they make enough money. And something like the Clarence

779
00:35:18,813 --> 00:35:24,093
Speaker 10: River going down and having guides that are with you

780
00:35:24,173 --> 00:35:27,053
Speaker 10: twenty four to seven taking care of you, I'll give them. Well,

781
00:35:27,053 --> 00:35:30,573
Speaker 10: I've done it twice that trip for four days each time,

782
00:35:30,653 --> 00:35:33,493
Speaker 10: and I've given them fifteen percent of the price of

783
00:35:33,533 --> 00:35:36,172
Speaker 10: the trip. I don't give it to the people that

784
00:35:36,253 --> 00:35:38,693
Speaker 10: own the company. I give them the money.

785
00:35:39,013 --> 00:35:41,853
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so you carry around cash specifically for the

786
00:35:41,893 --> 00:35:44,693
Speaker 2: purpose of tipping. All most people do in the States.

787
00:35:44,733 --> 00:35:44,973
Speaker 2: Donet that.

788
00:35:46,693 --> 00:35:51,093
Speaker 10: Well, Yeah, the thing is is that the Clarence River

789
00:35:51,213 --> 00:35:53,252
Speaker 10: I told them I wanted that money to go to them,

790
00:35:53,333 --> 00:35:57,573
Speaker 10: nobody else, right, and please, so they gave I paid

791
00:35:57,573 --> 00:35:59,813
Speaker 10: it via a different bank account so they could give

792
00:35:59,853 --> 00:36:00,413
Speaker 10: it to their.

793
00:36:00,293 --> 00:36:05,013
Speaker 2: Staff and not a state. When you tip a white staff,

794
00:36:05,173 --> 00:36:07,773
Speaker 2: does that what happens with the people in the back room?

795
00:36:07,853 --> 00:36:10,573
Speaker 2: Do they get a proper wage like someone washing dishes today?

796
00:36:10,893 --> 00:36:12,453
Speaker 2: As the tips, any of the tips to be up

797
00:36:12,453 --> 00:36:12,732
Speaker 2: to them.

798
00:36:13,773 --> 00:36:17,333
Speaker 10: Okay, you tip the weight person that's taking care of you.

799
00:36:17,693 --> 00:36:20,773
Speaker 10: It's up to them to decide if they want to

800
00:36:20,893 --> 00:36:24,453
Speaker 10: share it right now. There may be an un there

801
00:36:24,453 --> 00:36:28,293
Speaker 10: may be an unwritten rule that says, hey, my bus person,

802
00:36:28,413 --> 00:36:31,533
Speaker 10: my bus boy, my bus person, they take care of

803
00:36:31,573 --> 00:36:33,213
Speaker 10: me so I can make more money.

804
00:36:33,533 --> 00:36:34,613
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, If I make.

805
00:36:34,493 --> 00:36:37,053
Speaker 10: The more money, I'm going to share fifteen percent of

806
00:36:37,093 --> 00:36:40,533
Speaker 10: what I get. And then if it just depends on

807
00:36:40,613 --> 00:36:43,573
Speaker 10: the house that you're working for, you don't have to

808
00:36:43,613 --> 00:36:47,973
Speaker 10: give them anything. But everybody does, but the chefs. If

809
00:36:47,973 --> 00:36:50,933
Speaker 10: it's a if it's a white tablecloth place or a

810
00:36:51,013 --> 00:36:53,573
Speaker 10: very nice place, you're not expected to give them any money.

811
00:36:53,773 --> 00:36:56,933
Speaker 10: They're paid enough. But if you're only making a few

812
00:36:56,973 --> 00:36:59,373
Speaker 10: dollars an hour, you have to have those tips or

813
00:36:59,413 --> 00:37:01,853
Speaker 10: you don't survive. But you but you always tip your

814
00:37:01,893 --> 00:37:06,093
Speaker 10: cab driver, You always tip anybody carrying your bags. You

815
00:37:06,133 --> 00:37:08,733
Speaker 10: always tip your hairdresser, you tip.

816
00:37:09,213 --> 00:37:12,693
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for your call. Shit, Yeah, it's interesting.

817
00:37:12,773 --> 00:37:15,133
Speaker 2: I knew someone in the States. Well, I met someone

818
00:37:15,173 --> 00:37:17,373
Speaker 2: in the States and she she had a degree from

819
00:37:17,573 --> 00:37:21,252
Speaker 2: pretty fancy college, but she'd got a job working in

820
00:37:21,293 --> 00:37:24,773
Speaker 2: a pretty flash bar where super flash people went yep.

821
00:37:24,933 --> 00:37:27,773
Speaker 2: And she was telling me that she can't leave the

822
00:37:27,853 --> 00:37:29,453
Speaker 2: job because she makes so much money in this place,

823
00:37:29,613 --> 00:37:31,533
Speaker 2: just because she's just getting these high rollers coming in.

824
00:37:31,653 --> 00:37:35,733
Speaker 2: It's in California. I think maybe some tech tech richies

825
00:37:35,733 --> 00:37:37,813
Speaker 2: were coming in and she's making so much money there.

826
00:37:37,933 --> 00:37:39,773
Speaker 2: She couldn't move on with her career because it was

827
00:37:39,773 --> 00:37:41,013
Speaker 2: no way it was ever going to pay as much

828
00:37:41,013 --> 00:37:43,093
Speaker 2: as she did just serving cocktails in this bar.

829
00:37:43,253 --> 00:37:45,172
Speaker 3: That is a trap, isn't it all right? Oh? One

830
00:37:45,253 --> 00:37:47,413
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call tipping.

831
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Speaker 3: Do you do it? Love to hear from you. It

832
00:37:49,293 --> 00:37:50,893
Speaker 3: is eight to two.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

834
00:37:54,973 --> 00:37:59,013
Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tylor Adams Afternoons.

835
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Speaker 3: News talks'v we good afternoon. We are talking about tipping

836
00:38:02,613 --> 00:38:06,133
Speaker 3: in New Zealand. It's down forty percent. So many ticks

837
00:38:06,133 --> 00:38:07,292
Speaker 3: have come through over the last hour.

838
00:38:07,933 --> 00:38:09,573
Speaker 2: Andrew, it's a good point. It seems a bit screwed

839
00:38:09,653 --> 00:38:11,973
Speaker 2: up when you're prepared to tip someone who serves you coffee,

840
00:38:11,973 --> 00:38:14,172
Speaker 2: but no someone on minimum wage who cares for your

841
00:38:14,173 --> 00:38:17,853
Speaker 2: elderly parents in a wrist time, you won't. I will

842
00:38:17,893 --> 00:38:21,533
Speaker 2: tip someone that cleans my room at a hotel, right, yeah,

843
00:38:21,533 --> 00:38:23,053
Speaker 2: that kind of thing. But it is interesting. It does

844
00:38:23,173 --> 00:38:25,213
Speaker 2: mudy the waters with the whole minimum wage thing because

845
00:38:25,253 --> 00:38:28,493
Speaker 2: if someone that serves you, let's say a hardware store,

846
00:38:28,693 --> 00:38:31,493
Speaker 2: and takes you to down an aisle to talk you

847
00:38:31,533 --> 00:38:36,293
Speaker 2: through whatever whatever screw you need, then why wouldn't you

848
00:38:36,333 --> 00:38:36,772
Speaker 2: tip them?

849
00:38:37,013 --> 00:38:42,493
Speaker 3: It'd be real awkward to slip them at twenty twenty.

850
00:38:40,693 --> 00:38:42,893
Speaker 2: Part of the egalitarian society thing. I mean, I would

851
00:38:42,933 --> 00:38:45,973
Speaker 2: feel like I was putting myself above this person. Yeah,

852
00:38:45,973 --> 00:38:49,333
Speaker 2: but they're probably saying, mate, put yourself above me. Tip away.

853
00:38:49,413 --> 00:38:50,573
Speaker 3: I love it.

854
00:38:50,613 --> 00:38:54,573
Speaker 2: Someone says tipping culture is an American disease invading all

855
00:38:54,653 --> 00:38:58,613
Speaker 2: aspects of our life. Terrible, don't need it. Pay people properly? Yeah, well,

856
00:38:58,653 --> 00:39:02,053
Speaker 2: I'm still thinking saying pay people property. But look, you know,

857
00:39:02,773 --> 00:39:05,173
Speaker 2: as you say minimum's minimum wage means you don't have

858
00:39:05,253 --> 00:39:07,172
Speaker 2: to tip a New Zealand. But all the hate I'm

859
00:39:07,213 --> 00:39:09,493
Speaker 2: getting for throwing the odd around it, I find it.

860
00:39:09,613 --> 00:39:11,093
Speaker 2: It's surprising, ye know.

861
00:39:11,173 --> 00:39:12,853
Speaker 3: Just to show your generosity, just.

862
00:39:12,813 --> 00:39:14,773
Speaker 2: A little thank you here and there for someone doing it,

863
00:39:14,813 --> 00:39:18,292
Speaker 2: even if they don't desperately need it to survive. Yeah,

864
00:39:18,413 --> 00:39:20,973
Speaker 2: so screw you, stingy peeps. I'm going to be tipping

865
00:39:21,013 --> 00:39:23,213
Speaker 2: even more from now on. You can't stop me. I

866
00:39:23,293 --> 00:39:25,613
Speaker 2: might tip you. If I ever run into these sexes,

867
00:39:25,653 --> 00:39:26,293
Speaker 2: I might tip them.

868
00:39:26,333 --> 00:39:28,733
Speaker 3: Yeah take that, Yeah, then you'll feel it.

869
00:39:28,773 --> 00:39:31,133
Speaker 2: In fact, I'm going to pack one randomly here that

870
00:39:31,213 --> 00:39:32,813
Speaker 2: hates it and send them a fifty dollar note.

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00:39:32,933 --> 00:39:35,453
Speaker 3: Jackpot, Yeah, tagpot. All right, we'll figure out who that is.

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Speaker 3: Neig's coming up after two o'clock. We want to have

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Speaker 3: a chat about medical tourism. It has gone wrong for

874
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Speaker 3: a few New Zealanders who have tried it. Have you

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Speaker 3: done it? It's love to hear from you on O

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Speaker 3: eight undred and eighty ten eighty news coming.

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Speaker 1: Up talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heath and

878
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Speaker 1: Taylor Adams afternoons news talks.

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Speaker 3: It'd be very good afternoon. G six fast to welcome

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Speaker 3: back into the program. Just before we get into the

881
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Speaker 3: next topic, got a text through that I feel compelled

882
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Speaker 3: to read, and here it is. Hey, you guys, you

883
00:40:06,173 --> 00:40:10,133
Speaker 3: never read at any of my texts, which Kirie often

884
00:40:10,173 --> 00:40:12,813
Speaker 3: reads out my text every now and again, and so

885
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Speaker 3: does Marcus hither not so much. So I'm giving up

886
00:40:16,573 --> 00:40:18,853
Speaker 3: come on here to do better. So I'm giving up

887
00:40:18,933 --> 00:40:21,212
Speaker 3: wasting my time trying to be a part of your show.

888
00:40:21,293 --> 00:40:24,053
Speaker 3: Cheers and thanks on blocking the text number. I spend

889
00:40:24,053 --> 00:40:26,413
Speaker 3: twenty bucks a month on your show. I don't want

890
00:40:26,453 --> 00:40:29,653
Speaker 3: to talk and give you the option of text. Best wishes. Chris.

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Speaker 2: Wow, well you've read that one out?

892
00:40:32,613 --> 00:40:34,493
Speaker 3: Yeah, so, yeah, finally you've read one out.

893
00:40:34,773 --> 00:40:37,613
Speaker 2: Well. The thing is in this conversation that we have

894
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Speaker 2: in the afternoons on the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams

895
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Speaker 2: Afternoons show at News Talks, we try to get to

896
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Speaker 2: as many texts and phone calls as we can, but

897
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Speaker 2: we often just have them backed up. There's just so

898
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Speaker 2: many coming through. So sorry if we don't read your

899
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Speaker 2: text out, and sorry if we don't give your phone calls,

900
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Speaker 2: but we try.

901
00:40:56,333 --> 00:40:58,613
Speaker 3: We love you, Chris. Just know that you're a big

902
00:40:58,653 --> 00:41:00,453
Speaker 3: part of the show and that's twenty bucks a month

903
00:41:00,493 --> 00:41:02,053
Speaker 3: well spent. Son leave us.

904
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Speaker 2: On another topic, I heard in the news that that

905
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Speaker 2: Kadrona Hotel is sold.

906
00:41:06,253 --> 00:41:06,413
Speaker 4: Oh.

907
00:41:06,493 --> 00:41:08,773
Speaker 2: Yes, one of my favorite places in the world, the

908
00:41:08,813 --> 00:41:12,573
Speaker 2: Controna Hotel, established in eighteen sixty three. I believe in

909
00:41:12,613 --> 00:41:16,733
Speaker 2: the Controna Valley. Obviously, Ye, great spots. It's it's staying

910
00:41:16,773 --> 00:41:17,373
Speaker 2: in New Zealand.

911
00:41:17,453 --> 00:41:18,453
Speaker 3: Hands fantastic.

912
00:41:18,573 --> 00:41:20,053
Speaker 2: I wonder how much it's sold for.

913
00:41:20,213 --> 00:41:20,973
Speaker 3: Did you put a bed in?

914
00:41:21,173 --> 00:41:24,613
Speaker 2: And I dreamed of going there. I dreamed. As soon

915
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Speaker 2: as I saw that Codrona Hotel was up for sale,

916
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Speaker 2: I texted my lovely partner Tracy and seers we should yet,

917
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Speaker 2: we just start a new life as publicans.

918
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Speaker 3: Liquid ate everything and spy this beautiful pub.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder and supplementary question, I wonder if they're

920
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Speaker 2: going to keep on their nachos. Their famous nachos is open.

921
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Speaker 2: That's a beautiful narchos. Your jlipinos, you guacam moley. They're

922
00:41:51,173 --> 00:41:55,333
Speaker 2: actually vegetarian nachos, are they? But they're great? Yeah, but

923
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Speaker 2: surprisingly they're still great.

924
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Speaker 3: Congratulations to the new owner. What a beautiful pub, and

925
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Speaker 3: glad it's staying in Kiwi hands right, let's get into

926
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Speaker 3: this one. So medical tourism is absolutely booming in New

927
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Speaker 3: Zealand at the moment. Thousands of Kiwis travel overseas for

928
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Speaker 3: all sorts of different surgeries, whether that's weight loss, cosmetic, elective,

929
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Speaker 3: but more and more. Behind these glossy holiday package deals,

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Speaker 3: there are stories emerging of complications, long hospital stays and

931
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Speaker 3: life altering consequences. The latest in a story today Shery.

932
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Speaker 3: She didn't use her last name. She's a New Zealand woman,

933
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Speaker 3: spent twelve harrowing weeks in hospital and now depends on

934
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Speaker 3: a feeding tube. Can you imagine after a botched gastric

935
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Speaker 3: sleeve surgery in Turkey?

936
00:42:37,053 --> 00:42:39,812
Speaker 2: Oh, Sheery, that is not good.

937
00:42:40,173 --> 00:42:41,933
Speaker 3: That is terrible for Sherry.

938
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Speaker 2: Gastric sleeve surgery in Turkey. And look, as I say

939
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Speaker 2: to you before, Tyler, just going through a medical procedure overseas,

940
00:42:51,413 --> 00:42:53,613
Speaker 2: when you're away from all you support people, you're away

941
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Speaker 2: from the structures that you understand, somewhere like Turkey, that's

942
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Speaker 2: very different from here. Quite a terrifying and risky thing

943
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Speaker 2: to do. But having said that, I know lots and

944
00:43:03,533 --> 00:43:07,493
Speaker 2: lots of people that have been overseas for a couple

945
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Speaker 2: for teeth it yep, very common, and I know a

946
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Speaker 2: couple actually for a bit of cosmetic nipping and tucking

947
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Speaker 2: and a few touching and inflating and being very happy

948
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Speaker 2: with the service. And these weren't These people weren't going

949
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Speaker 2: to Turkey, but tacked a holiday onto it and talk

950
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Speaker 2: very very highly of it.

951
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's incredibly popular for a lot of people

952
00:43:31,933 --> 00:43:34,293
Speaker 3: because the price is right. And I know because there

953
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Speaker 3: was a story out about a month ago. Turkey as

954
00:43:36,453 --> 00:43:39,053
Speaker 3: a country is targeting New Zealand. They know that we're

955
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Speaker 3: a population where our elective surgeries is a bit of

956
00:43:42,773 --> 00:43:44,493
Speaker 3: a weight list and it can cost a bit if

957
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Speaker 3: you go private. So they are actually targeting us to say, hey,

958
00:43:47,613 --> 00:43:49,413
Speaker 3: come for a holiday in Turkey, you can get a

959
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Speaker 3: bit of weight loss surgery and you can save a fortune.

960
00:43:52,613 --> 00:43:55,732
Speaker 2: Is it just that Is it any more dangerous over

961
00:43:55,893 --> 00:43:57,693
Speaker 2: in these other countries to get it done? Is the

962
00:43:57,693 --> 00:44:00,453
Speaker 2: safety standards lower? Is it just that any procedure that

963
00:44:00,493 --> 00:44:04,013
Speaker 2: you have there's a certain percentage that will go wrong.

964
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Speaker 2: I mean nothing, nothing is completely safe. Yeah, you know,

965
00:44:07,573 --> 00:44:10,013
Speaker 2: and so it just so happens that when it happens,

966
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Speaker 2: you're over there on the other side of the world,

967
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Speaker 2: and it's hard to deal with it, and you might

968
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Speaker 2: have to come back to New Zealand and be a

969
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Speaker 2: huge burden on the New Zealand public health system trying

970
00:44:17,373 --> 00:44:19,333
Speaker 2: to fix up your problem. That can happen as well.

971
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's never one hundred percent.

972
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Speaker 2: But have you been over and had a procedure in

973
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Speaker 2: another country, done any of this medical tourism? How's it

974
00:44:26,373 --> 00:44:31,093
Speaker 2: gone for you? Would you recommend it? This person says, Hi,

975
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Speaker 2: I've had two teeth purled and replaced by implants, a

976
00:44:34,893 --> 00:44:37,413
Speaker 2: root canal and two mile fillings, all done in Bali

977
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Speaker 2: for three five hundred dollars. This would have been over

978
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Speaker 2: eleven k worth of dental work in New Zealand.

979
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Speaker 3: Ben, that's a good price. Yeah, it's a good discount.

980
00:44:46,013 --> 00:44:48,293
Speaker 2: And by the sounds of it, no troubles at all.

981
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Speaker 3: Yeah, seems to have gone pretty well for that young man. Oh,

982
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Speaker 3: eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call

983
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Speaker 3: if you've done this medical tourism, if you've been a

984
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Speaker 3: medical tourist yourself, loved to hear from you, or if

985
00:44:58,773 --> 00:45:01,373
Speaker 3: you know a story where it went wrong might have

986
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Speaker 3: gone wrong for you.

987
00:45:02,173 --> 00:45:04,053
Speaker 2: Hey, guys, just to hint, you'd have more time for

988
00:45:04,133 --> 00:45:07,933
Speaker 2: callers reading text if you don't repeat over and over

989
00:45:07,973 --> 00:45:10,733
Speaker 2: and over the the topic title wasted time. Yes, but

990
00:45:10,813 --> 00:45:12,893
Speaker 2: you see call a love you show anyway says this

991
00:45:12,973 --> 00:45:15,692
Speaker 2: texture but you see the thing text is that you don't.

992
00:45:15,733 --> 00:45:18,133
Speaker 2: We don't know when people have tuned in. Some people

993
00:45:18,213 --> 00:45:19,933
Speaker 2: might listen for the whole show. Some people might just

994
00:45:19,973 --> 00:45:21,933
Speaker 2: be tuning in right now. They've got no idea what

995
00:45:21,973 --> 00:45:24,373
Speaker 2: we're talking about. In fact, guaranteed there'll be hundreds of

996
00:45:24,413 --> 00:45:25,893
Speaker 2: people that have just tuned in. They've got no idea

997
00:45:25,933 --> 00:45:26,573
Speaker 2: what we're talking about.

998
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Speaker 3: Welcome to the show. If that year we are talking about.

999
00:45:28,613 --> 00:45:30,053
Speaker 2: There's probably some people that have been listening all show

1000
00:45:30,053 --> 00:45:30,613
Speaker 2: and have no idea what.

1001
00:45:30,893 --> 00:45:33,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, very true. We are talking about medical tourism. If

1002
00:45:33,133 --> 00:45:35,813
Speaker 3: you've just joined us. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty

1003
00:45:36,013 --> 00:45:38,053
Speaker 3: is the number to call if you've done it and

1004
00:45:38,133 --> 00:45:39,533
Speaker 3: it's gone right or wrong.

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00:45:39,573 --> 00:45:42,493
Speaker 2: We're keen on your story and secondary question, what do

1006
00:45:42,493 --> 00:45:43,373
Speaker 2: you think I should get done?

1007
00:45:43,573 --> 00:45:44,812
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1008
00:45:47,173 --> 00:45:51,333
Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon Talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons

1009
00:45:51,573 --> 00:45:54,573
Speaker 1: call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty US Talk said, be.

1010
00:45:56,413 --> 00:45:59,533
Speaker 3: It's quarter past two we're talking about medical tourism. If

1011
00:45:59,573 --> 00:46:02,813
Speaker 3: you've ever undertaken medical tourism, as in fly to another

1012
00:46:02,853 --> 00:46:05,453
Speaker 3: country to get some surgery or some work done to

1013
00:46:05,493 --> 00:46:06,933
Speaker 3: save some money, love to hear from you. Oh, eight

1014
00:46:07,053 --> 00:46:07,973
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty.

1015
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Speaker 2: So we are the main places that people go. It's

1016
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Speaker 2: Thailand is a big one, isn't it? Indonesia, Turkey obviously, Singapore.

1017
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Speaker 2: Apparently Singapore is a cheap in Singapore apparently.

1018
00:46:20,133 --> 00:46:21,813
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just imagined here.

1019
00:46:21,853 --> 00:46:24,653
Speaker 2: Imagine it's efficient in Singapore.

1020
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Sali of course. South Korea, a leader in cosmetic

1021
00:46:28,213 --> 00:46:31,093
Speaker 3: surgery and other advanced treatments with a reputation for world

1022
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Speaker 3: class facility, is becoming a medical tourism hub. India apparently

1023
00:46:36,973 --> 00:46:43,172
Speaker 3: offers treatment for cardiology, cancer and orthopedics at a lower cost. Right, Oh,

1024
00:46:43,213 --> 00:46:45,453
Speaker 3: one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call

1025
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Speaker 3: if you've been through medical tourism or you are a

1026
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Speaker 3: medical tourist yourself. What did you get done and how

1027
00:46:50,813 --> 00:46:51,453
Speaker 3: much did it cost?

1028
00:46:51,533 --> 00:46:51,692
Speaker 7: Yes?

1029
00:46:51,893 --> 00:46:53,933
Speaker 2: So I do realize that Bali is in Indonesia anyway.

1030
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Speaker 2: Someone says here that dental surgery is in New Zealand.

1031
00:46:56,693 --> 00:46:59,173
Speaker 2: Are archaic in comparison to Asian countries. In fact, New

1032
00:46:59,253 --> 00:47:02,573
Speaker 2: Zealand is archaic on so many levels period dot dot

1033
00:47:02,613 --> 00:47:06,652
Speaker 2: dot fact, Michael, you're a big fan of medical tourism.

1034
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Speaker 1: Guys.

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Speaker 19: I've lived in Thailand for the last nine years, so

1036
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Speaker 19: I spent about six months of the year there and

1037
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Speaker 19: I come back to New Zealand and six months of

1038
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Speaker 19: the year. So in between the two in the time

1039
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Speaker 19: that I've been there, I've had to use the health

1040
00:47:19,373 --> 00:47:23,173
Speaker 19: service over there, paying out my own pocket on three occasions.

1041
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Speaker 19: And let me tell you it's just first class. It

1042
00:47:25,813 --> 00:47:28,732
Speaker 19: is first rate, first class. Now not only that, I've

1043
00:47:28,733 --> 00:47:31,973
Speaker 19: had other friends use it over there, never once heard

1044
00:47:31,973 --> 00:47:33,773
Speaker 19: the complaints. A lot of people go there to do

1045
00:47:33,813 --> 00:47:36,133
Speaker 19: their eyes, or the boobies or the bone, whatever it

1046
00:47:36,133 --> 00:47:38,533
Speaker 19: may be. But when it comes to our school medical

1047
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Speaker 19: I'll give you one example. I was having a case

1048
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Speaker 19: of very good dizziness and I had a seven month

1049
00:47:43,493 --> 00:47:46,533
Speaker 19: waiting list just to see her. Can your naturally neuropath

1050
00:47:46,573 --> 00:47:49,693
Speaker 19: whatever you call up the brain in New Zealand. In Thailand,

1051
00:47:49,693 --> 00:47:52,973
Speaker 19: I've seen one and within an hour it cost me

1052
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Speaker 19: seventy bucks.

1053
00:47:55,293 --> 00:47:58,853
Speaker 2: So you're into a neus, you know, a neurosurgeon around dizzyness.

1054
00:47:58,893 --> 00:48:00,212
Speaker 2: Did you say, yeah?

1055
00:48:00,213 --> 00:48:02,413
Speaker 19: And I had there to go after there to go.

1056
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Speaker 19: But that's not the real reason I'm calling. I can't

1057
00:48:05,053 --> 00:48:08,733
Speaker 19: speakhighly enough for the actual the health system within Thailand.

1058
00:48:08,733 --> 00:48:11,453
Speaker 19: It makes New Zealand look to say third world would

1059
00:48:11,453 --> 00:48:12,172
Speaker 19: be complimentary.

1060
00:48:12,413 --> 00:48:12,652
Speaker 2: Wow.

1061
00:48:12,813 --> 00:48:15,732
Speaker 19: Now the reason I say that is I've just come back.

1062
00:48:15,773 --> 00:48:17,533
Speaker 19: Six months ago. I had pain in my back in

1063
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Speaker 19: Thailand and I thought, what is this? So I went

1064
00:48:19,813 --> 00:48:21,773
Speaker 19: down to get a seat scan cost me one hundred

1065
00:48:21,773 --> 00:48:24,093
Speaker 19: and forty bucks and the CT scans showed that I

1066
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Speaker 19: had a six millimeters kidney stone. So for our bloody

1067
00:48:26,693 --> 00:48:28,933
Speaker 19: hath so to get it done in Thailand was four

1068
00:48:28,973 --> 00:48:31,333
Speaker 19: grands and I thought, well, you know, I've done three

1069
00:48:31,333 --> 00:48:33,093
Speaker 19: here and I've paid my taxes in New Zealand for

1070
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Speaker 19: thirty years. I'll go home and I'll get it done there,

1071
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Speaker 19: so I'll come back. I see the doctor and he says,

1072
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Speaker 19: we can't accept the set scan from Thailand. You're going

1073
00:48:41,013 --> 00:48:41,772
Speaker 19: to take it one here.

1074
00:48:42,053 --> 00:48:44,613
Speaker 2: And I'm like, okay, they're not cheape.

1075
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Speaker 19: Not well, I play twelve hundred dollars for the one here. Yeah,

1076
00:48:48,733 --> 00:48:50,413
Speaker 19: so we'll get that. I take it some. Adoctor says, yep,

1077
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Speaker 19: you've got a kidney stone. We'll get you into hospital.

1078
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Speaker 5: So they did.

1079
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Speaker 2: They compare the when You've got it in Thailand with

1080
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Speaker 2: the New Zealand one. I mean difference, this.

1081
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Speaker 19: Classic what happened with the full story to it. So anyway,

1082
00:49:05,213 --> 00:49:07,133
Speaker 19: I thought, well, i've got three months to wait. I'm

1083
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Speaker 19: going back to Thailand. So I went the Thailand, Well,

1084
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Speaker 19: well it's not really give me that much grief, so

1085
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Speaker 19: I'll carry on and hopefully they'll come through for me

1086
00:49:12,973 --> 00:49:16,813
Speaker 19: in New Zealand. About a month ago, I've gone back.

1087
00:49:17,013 --> 00:49:18,653
Speaker 19: I'm in Thailand. I'm just about to pay for it

1088
00:49:18,733 --> 00:49:20,013
Speaker 19: because I've had enough that it was given me a

1089
00:49:20,053 --> 00:49:22,533
Speaker 19: bit of grief. And I thought I got a letter

1090
00:49:22,653 --> 00:49:24,533
Speaker 19: an email from New Zealand saying now the doctor in

1091
00:49:24,573 --> 00:49:26,173
Speaker 19: the hospital see you know, and I thought, we go,

1092
00:49:26,333 --> 00:49:27,693
Speaker 19: let's I'll get it done, so I'll come back to

1093
00:49:27,733 --> 00:49:31,253
Speaker 19: New Zealand. And he takes an X ray of it

1094
00:49:31,333 --> 00:49:33,373
Speaker 19: and he says, yea, you've got a kidney stone. And

1095
00:49:33,413 --> 00:49:35,652
Speaker 19: the CT scan shows that you've got a kidney stone.

1096
00:49:35,653 --> 00:49:37,732
Speaker 19: And I said, I've done two seat scans. He says, yeah,

1097
00:49:37,733 --> 00:49:39,333
Speaker 19: I'm looking at the one in Thailand because it's.

1098
00:49:39,173 --> 00:49:40,293
Speaker 12: A hell of a lot better than the one.

1099
00:49:42,053 --> 00:49:44,093
Speaker 4: It's just like in fury Wow.

1100
00:49:44,693 --> 00:49:46,573
Speaker 2: So he had exist to both of them, the one

1101
00:49:46,573 --> 00:49:48,172
Speaker 2: in New Zealand, which was the only one that would

1102
00:49:48,173 --> 00:49:50,692
Speaker 2: be acceptable, and the Taiwan, and the tai one was better.

1103
00:49:50,773 --> 00:49:52,893
Speaker 2: That is that is that is quite talent.

1104
00:49:53,013 --> 00:49:55,613
Speaker 19: Yeah, and it was like a tenth of the cost anyway.

1105
00:49:55,653 --> 00:49:56,853
Speaker 19: So he turned and I said, we'll have you in

1106
00:49:56,853 --> 00:49:59,213
Speaker 19: the two weeks. That was four weeks ago. Now the

1107
00:49:59,253 --> 00:50:01,333
Speaker 19: reason I'm telling me this in the last four weeks,

1108
00:50:01,373 --> 00:50:04,013
Speaker 19: it's just unbelievable what I've actually gone through. So I've

1109
00:50:04,053 --> 00:50:05,453
Speaker 19: gone in to see him, then I've gone in to

1110
00:50:05,453 --> 00:50:09,333
Speaker 19: get an next ray done. Then I've had in between

1111
00:50:09,333 --> 00:50:11,893
Speaker 19: that time, I've had four phone calls from Health Museum

1112
00:50:11,973 --> 00:50:15,413
Speaker 19: whatever they call themselves, and I've had seven emails. Now

1113
00:50:15,493 --> 00:50:17,133
Speaker 19: in all of these, they now want me to go

1114
00:50:17,213 --> 00:50:20,973
Speaker 19: back in to see an an ethicist. Which why you

1115
00:50:20,973 --> 00:50:23,893
Speaker 19: have to see anthist before you actually get the operation done,

1116
00:50:23,933 --> 00:50:26,173
Speaker 19: I don't know, but it's a ninety minute appointing with

1117
00:50:26,253 --> 00:50:28,893
Speaker 19: the aethetist. When I've been to see the aethicist all

1118
00:50:28,933 --> 00:50:30,652
Speaker 19: being well, and I have no idea what they're going

1119
00:50:30,693 --> 00:50:31,293
Speaker 19: to do, because if.

1120
00:50:31,213 --> 00:50:32,613
Speaker 5: You go privately anywhere in the world.

1121
00:50:32,613 --> 00:50:35,613
Speaker 19: You don't go to do this nonsense. They then said.

1122
00:50:35,613 --> 00:50:37,093
Speaker 19: And a week later after that, you've got to come

1123
00:50:37,093 --> 00:50:38,692
Speaker 19: in and do another p test to make sure there's

1124
00:50:38,693 --> 00:50:40,333
Speaker 19: no blood in your pee and blah blah blah blah.

1125
00:50:40,333 --> 00:50:41,813
Speaker 19: So all well and good. So you're doing all that.

1126
00:50:42,333 --> 00:50:44,732
Speaker 19: After five and a half months, I still haven't got

1127
00:50:44,733 --> 00:50:48,933
Speaker 19: a date. It's just possible. I'm not having to go

1128
00:50:49,013 --> 00:50:50,973
Speaker 19: to the health people aid, the actual doctors and the NATSIUS,

1129
00:50:50,973 --> 00:50:52,813
Speaker 19: because I think they do the best job that they can.

1130
00:50:53,213 --> 00:50:56,573
Speaker 19: But the people behind the scene in New Zealand, after

1131
00:50:56,573 --> 00:50:59,653
Speaker 19: they've experienced another country and another way that it works,

1132
00:50:59,773 --> 00:51:03,053
Speaker 19: and to come back, honestly, and I don't like knocking

1133
00:51:03,093 --> 00:51:04,893
Speaker 19: New Zealand. They don't because it's been very good to

1134
00:51:04,973 --> 00:51:07,493
Speaker 19: me for thirty years. But when I see the nonsense

1135
00:51:07,613 --> 00:51:09,573
Speaker 19: is going on, and you wonder, well, no wonder. There's

1136
00:51:09,573 --> 00:51:12,173
Speaker 19: a five months lead list. So now I'm in the process.

1137
00:51:12,173 --> 00:51:14,413
Speaker 19: Now I've decided that if it's not, if they haven't

1138
00:51:14,413 --> 00:51:16,093
Speaker 19: given me a d by November, then I'm just going

1139
00:51:16,173 --> 00:51:17,453
Speaker 19: to go back to Thailand and get it done.

1140
00:51:17,453 --> 00:51:21,413
Speaker 2: That you don't you don't think, Michael, that might be

1141
00:51:21,853 --> 00:51:24,813
Speaker 2: the difference between private and public though, So you're private

1142
00:51:24,853 --> 00:51:27,573
Speaker 2: and Thailand and your and your public here, and you

1143
00:51:27,613 --> 00:51:30,933
Speaker 2: know the public's service has to take every single thing

1144
00:51:30,973 --> 00:51:33,693
Speaker 2: that comes through. They can't they you know, they're massively

1145
00:51:33,893 --> 00:51:38,093
Speaker 2: over over over overrun, whereas the is the private situation.

1146
00:51:38,293 --> 00:51:39,973
Speaker 2: You know, you're paid, they'll they'll move you through the

1147
00:51:39,973 --> 00:51:42,212
Speaker 2: system and they can book you in and a match

1148
00:51:42,533 --> 00:51:43,813
Speaker 2: with sort of more orderly fashion.

1149
00:51:44,533 --> 00:51:46,573
Speaker 19: Yeah, but the nonsense of it is because I've seen

1150
00:51:46,613 --> 00:51:47,933
Speaker 19: a different way, and by the way, I've used a

1151
00:51:47,973 --> 00:51:50,573
Speaker 19: public health service in Thailand as well. Now that's things

1152
00:51:50,573 --> 00:51:51,973
Speaker 19: and a roundabout. You can either to get a very

1153
00:51:51,973 --> 00:51:53,493
Speaker 19: good one that you can get like a really quite

1154
00:51:53,573 --> 00:51:55,213
Speaker 19: poor one. And I've also done the same as from

1155
00:51:55,253 --> 00:51:58,853
Speaker 19: Lanka in India, different things that I've gone through over

1156
00:51:58,853 --> 00:52:02,533
Speaker 19: there when I've been traveling. But to go through this process,

1157
00:52:02,573 --> 00:52:04,893
Speaker 19: I estimated has probably cost me about twenty hours in

1158
00:52:04,973 --> 00:52:07,333
Speaker 19: time to actually go through it, and by the time

1159
00:52:07,373 --> 00:52:11,613
Speaker 19: I've done, it'll be so appointments. You need seven appointments

1160
00:52:11,613 --> 00:52:12,773
Speaker 19: to do with minor surgery.

1161
00:52:12,853 --> 00:52:14,652
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good point, there's no doubt that. Yeah,

1162
00:52:14,653 --> 00:52:16,613
Speaker 3: we've got some big problems in our public health system

1163
00:52:16,613 --> 00:52:19,253
Speaker 3: at the moment. But what if it goes wrong overseas, Michael,

1164
00:52:19,293 --> 00:52:21,933
Speaker 3: When it doesn't matter what state the clinics and they

1165
00:52:21,973 --> 00:52:24,373
Speaker 3: the doctors are, there is a chance that things may

1166
00:52:24,453 --> 00:52:26,533
Speaker 3: go wrong. What is your pretection there? What are you

1167
00:52:26,573 --> 00:52:27,573
Speaker 3: doing that circumstance?

1168
00:52:28,173 --> 00:52:31,573
Speaker 19: Well, I understand that argument very well, but I think

1169
00:52:31,613 --> 00:52:33,893
Speaker 19: a lot of that is so let's just say dentistry.

1170
00:52:34,573 --> 00:52:36,413
Speaker 19: So if you if you try and do dentistry here,

1171
00:52:36,453 --> 00:52:37,693
Speaker 19: like I've had a couple of friends go over to

1172
00:52:37,733 --> 00:52:40,212
Speaker 19: Thailand to do dentistry, no problems at all, but it's

1173
00:52:40,493 --> 00:52:43,253
Speaker 19: like a fear youself, and it's like an arrogance. It's like, well,

1174
00:52:43,333 --> 00:52:45,373
Speaker 19: don't go over there. Things can go wrong. Well, things

1175
00:52:45,373 --> 00:52:48,252
Speaker 19: can go wrong here as well. Now are they under

1176
00:52:48,293 --> 00:52:50,453
Speaker 19: any more obligation to actually put that right than what

1177
00:52:50,493 --> 00:52:54,252
Speaker 19: they are overseas? Because I actually think professionally over there

1178
00:52:54,333 --> 00:52:55,693
Speaker 19: the streets ahead of what they are here.

1179
00:52:56,013 --> 00:52:58,573
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's interesting. I mean, this woman in Thailand,

1180
00:52:58,613 --> 00:53:00,973
Speaker 2: she's hit to come back here and the public health

1181
00:53:01,013 --> 00:53:02,653
Speaker 2: services having to look after here, and she's in a

1182
00:53:02,733 --> 00:53:04,333
Speaker 2: terrible state. But that was a there was a gastric

1183
00:53:04,453 --> 00:53:08,973
Speaker 2: sleeve which is a pretty and tints and tints operation. Hey,

1184
00:53:09,053 --> 00:53:11,973
Speaker 2: just question for you. You've been judging by your excellent

1185
00:53:12,013 --> 00:53:13,533
Speaker 2: that at some point in your life you would have

1186
00:53:13,573 --> 00:53:17,973
Speaker 2: heard some you know, dealings with the NHS. Yeah, the

1187
00:53:18,573 --> 00:53:20,613
Speaker 2: is the innit. I mean, as would there have been

1188
00:53:20,653 --> 00:53:22,252
Speaker 2: thirty years ago the last time that you had anything

1189
00:53:22,293 --> 00:53:23,933
Speaker 2: to do with those guys, So you wouldn't really to

1190
00:53:23,933 --> 00:53:25,613
Speaker 2: comment on current situation.

1191
00:53:26,493 --> 00:53:28,133
Speaker 19: My son's over there at the moment and he's just

1192
00:53:28,133 --> 00:53:31,773
Speaker 19: gone through the NHS. So ironically enough, my first job

1193
00:53:31,773 --> 00:53:34,172
Speaker 19: when I left school was working for the NHS. As

1194
00:53:34,213 --> 00:53:36,613
Speaker 19: of port are just wheeling the water the theater, putting

1195
00:53:36,613 --> 00:53:38,453
Speaker 19: the light on the operation and send them down and

1196
00:53:38,493 --> 00:53:40,813
Speaker 19: it's fabulous. And I remember when I met the White

1197
00:53:40,813 --> 00:53:43,293
Speaker 19: and she got pregnant over there and she decided to

1198
00:53:43,293 --> 00:53:44,173
Speaker 19: come back to New Zealand.

1199
00:53:44,413 --> 00:53:49,093
Speaker 11: But before, yeah said she got pregnant, you were revolt.

1200
00:53:49,213 --> 00:53:50,413
Speaker 2: Yeah that's good, good.

1201
00:53:51,693 --> 00:53:53,893
Speaker 19: But before she came back, we were going through the

1202
00:53:53,893 --> 00:53:56,652
Speaker 19: Health Service for the more prenatal stuff and whatever else.

1203
00:53:56,813 --> 00:53:59,733
Speaker 19: And it's fabulous. When I arrived in New Zealand, it

1204
00:53:59,893 --> 00:54:02,212
Speaker 19: really was like third World in comparison to it. Now

1205
00:54:02,253 --> 00:54:04,733
Speaker 19: that's thirty years ago. The stories I'm hearing about the

1206
00:54:04,853 --> 00:54:08,333
Speaker 19: NHS over at the moment it's collapsed and has fallen over. Yeah,

1207
00:54:08,733 --> 00:54:11,613
Speaker 19: so I can't really speak because I seldom go back there,

1208
00:54:11,653 --> 00:54:14,413
Speaker 19: and to be honest, but enormous son's going through it now,

1209
00:54:14,453 --> 00:54:18,373
Speaker 19: and the stories that you're telling me, it doesn't sound great,

1210
00:54:19,933 --> 00:54:23,973
Speaker 19: but it's the administration side, and I can't believe it'd

1211
00:54:24,013 --> 00:54:26,453
Speaker 19: be as worse as it's here from the health perspective.

1212
00:54:26,653 --> 00:54:28,573
Speaker 19: I can't answer that question, to be honest, I.

1213
00:54:28,493 --> 00:54:32,173
Speaker 2: Will think if you call Michael so Tie medical services

1214
00:54:32,733 --> 00:54:35,493
Speaker 2: very very good. According to Michael, work to tree make

1215
00:54:35,613 --> 00:54:36,573
Speaker 2: ours look like Rabbish.

1216
00:54:36,653 --> 00:54:38,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you say to that? Oh eight hundred

1217
00:54:38,333 --> 00:54:40,773
Speaker 3: and eighty. Eighteen eighty is the number of call critics

1218
00:54:40,773 --> 00:54:43,453
Speaker 3: to you, Matt, you should get a BBL. I don't

1219
00:54:43,453 --> 00:54:44,373
Speaker 3: know what a BBL is.

1220
00:54:44,533 --> 00:54:46,773
Speaker 2: A BBL the best league? Yeah?

1221
00:54:47,013 --> 00:54:49,933
Speaker 3: Is that a Brazilian ah, Brazilian butt lift?

1222
00:54:50,133 --> 00:54:50,373
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1223
00:54:50,493 --> 00:54:53,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I do have a lack of butt. You

1224
00:54:53,333 --> 00:54:55,093
Speaker 3: could use one of those. To be honest, that's not

1225
00:54:55,133 --> 00:54:55,813
Speaker 3: a bad suggestion.

1226
00:54:56,653 --> 00:54:58,373
Speaker 2: It's just a fold of my jeans where my butt

1227
00:54:58,413 --> 00:54:58,813
Speaker 2: should bet.

1228
00:54:58,933 --> 00:54:59,453
Speaker 3: I've seen it.

1229
00:54:59,533 --> 00:55:00,133
Speaker 2: Twenty four.

1230
00:55:04,573 --> 00:55:07,933
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred

1231
00:55:07,933 --> 00:55:09,693
Speaker 1: and eighty on News talk Z.

1232
00:55:10,013 --> 00:55:12,573
Speaker 3: Twenty six past two. We're talking about medical tourism. If

1233
00:55:12,573 --> 00:55:14,733
Speaker 3: you've gone overseas to some sort of surgery, how did

1234
00:55:14,773 --> 00:55:16,253
Speaker 3: it go? A one hundred and eighty ten eighties and

1235
00:55:16,293 --> 00:55:16,733
Speaker 3: number to call?

1236
00:55:17,013 --> 00:55:20,213
Speaker 2: The sixties? Public health service has so many excellents assaults

1237
00:55:20,293 --> 00:55:22,453
Speaker 2: deal with. For a start, why doesn't Michael take out

1238
00:55:22,493 --> 00:55:25,893
Speaker 2: private health insurance? Seems he pays his Texas in Thailand?

1239
00:55:26,413 --> 00:55:28,613
Speaker 2: Your point, Yeah, I don't know. Jennifer.

1240
00:55:29,893 --> 00:55:32,133
Speaker 6: Hi, Hi, nervous.

1241
00:55:32,133 --> 00:55:37,053
Speaker 22: Sorry, I might get a little bit rambling here, ramble away. Remember,

1242
00:55:37,773 --> 00:55:42,413
Speaker 22: appreciating your segment. My partner is currently considering going overseas

1243
00:55:42,493 --> 00:55:48,493
Speaker 22: for some some dental work. But one of the things

1244
00:55:48,773 --> 00:55:53,172
Speaker 22: as an immigrant from America, the perspective has been sort

1245
00:55:53,173 --> 00:55:56,013
Speaker 22: of the opposite. I came from a place about twenty

1246
00:55:56,013 --> 00:56:00,493
Speaker 22: three years ago and the medical system had essentially it

1247
00:56:00,573 --> 00:56:05,733
Speaker 22: was destroyed by litigation and you know, private health insurance,

1248
00:56:05,853 --> 00:56:09,333
Speaker 22: that kind of thing. So coming from there to here

1249
00:56:09,973 --> 00:56:14,733
Speaker 22: was amazing, Like the New Zealand health system comparative was

1250
00:56:14,853 --> 00:56:18,493
Speaker 22: just I was blown away by how easy it was

1251
00:56:18,893 --> 00:56:23,573
Speaker 22: to access medical care and how affordable it was. And

1252
00:56:25,013 --> 00:56:27,172
Speaker 22: it's sort of it's been quite a sad thing to

1253
00:56:27,333 --> 00:56:31,013
Speaker 22: watch the decline as I've lived here over the last yeah,

1254
00:56:31,493 --> 00:56:33,973
Speaker 22: you know, more than twenty years, the fact that the

1255
00:56:34,253 --> 00:56:35,453
Speaker 22: wait times.

1256
00:56:35,213 --> 00:56:35,573
Speaker 7: And the.

1257
00:56:37,293 --> 00:56:40,533
Speaker 22: Leveled care has dropped. The thing is there's not that

1258
00:56:40,613 --> 00:56:45,253
Speaker 22: many more people, and so I want to know What'd

1259
00:56:45,333 --> 00:56:50,973
Speaker 22: love everyone to sort of start questioning why the primority

1260
00:56:51,053 --> 00:56:55,533
Speaker 22: of keeping that system running at peak performance has sort

1261
00:56:55,573 --> 00:57:03,173
Speaker 22: of gone by the wayside. And do we hold perhaps

1262
00:57:03,813 --> 00:57:08,253
Speaker 22: stockholders that have shares in private health insurance companies.

1263
00:57:08,773 --> 00:57:09,933
Speaker 9: Do we look at that?

1264
00:57:10,053 --> 00:57:13,373
Speaker 22: Do we say, is this the reason? Has people in

1265
00:57:13,493 --> 00:57:17,493
Speaker 22: power that stand again from you know, the stock value

1266
00:57:17,573 --> 00:57:19,733
Speaker 22: of private insurance companies going up?

1267
00:57:19,773 --> 00:57:22,053
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know about that, but one thing is

1268
00:57:22,093 --> 00:57:24,293
Speaker 2: for sure, we're spending more on healthcare than we ever have,

1269
00:57:24,493 --> 00:57:27,293
Speaker 2: and the last government has just increased it. So it's

1270
00:57:27,293 --> 00:57:29,893
Speaker 2: one of those things I think healthcare at Jennifer where

1271
00:57:30,173 --> 00:57:33,373
Speaker 2: no matter how much money you put into it, you

1272
00:57:33,013 --> 00:57:36,133
Speaker 2: can just you can just put infinite amounts of money

1273
00:57:36,213 --> 00:57:36,533
Speaker 2: into it.

1274
00:57:36,573 --> 00:57:38,973
Speaker 7: I was just now spend it all unjacked.

1275
00:57:39,533 --> 00:57:42,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just in that emergency last night because

1276
00:57:42,093 --> 00:57:44,973
Speaker 2: my son had to be taken in and it was

1277
00:57:45,093 --> 00:57:47,133
Speaker 2: there were so many people they're waiting to get through,

1278
00:57:47,373 --> 00:57:50,653
Speaker 2: and the queues were so long, and I just wonder

1279
00:57:51,013 --> 00:57:54,653
Speaker 2: about healthcare whether Yeah, I mean.

1280
00:57:55,573 --> 00:57:58,013
Speaker 22: Who was looking at how it's spent. Who's looking at like,

1281
00:57:58,133 --> 00:58:00,653
Speaker 22: why are they spending so much on you know, with.

1282
00:58:00,693 --> 00:58:02,613
Speaker 2: The problems, they keep bringing in more levels of management

1283
00:58:02,653 --> 00:58:05,333
Speaker 2: and that doesn't seem to help. And sometimes some people

1284
00:58:05,333 --> 00:58:07,653
Speaker 2: complain that the levels of management of what's taking up

1285
00:58:07,653 --> 00:58:08,213
Speaker 2: all the money.

1286
00:58:08,453 --> 00:58:10,573
Speaker 22: Yeah, that's where I think the cast is.

1287
00:58:10,653 --> 00:58:13,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, but clearly it's a situation across the world and

1288
00:58:13,333 --> 00:58:16,013
Speaker 3: developed countries, Jennifer, that those costs are going up and

1289
00:58:16,493 --> 00:58:20,533
Speaker 3: people are investigating this up the wazoo. Aging population generally,

1290
00:58:20,613 --> 00:58:23,453
Speaker 3: population is a lot more unhealthier. There's problems with our

1291
00:58:23,493 --> 00:58:25,453
Speaker 3: diet and process food. The list goes on and on

1292
00:58:25,453 --> 00:58:27,493
Speaker 3: and on. But my point is, I mean, do we

1293
00:58:27,533 --> 00:58:29,973
Speaker 3: start everything think about a bit of personal responsibility here

1294
00:58:30,013 --> 00:58:31,253
Speaker 3: to try and stay out of a hospital.

1295
00:58:31,293 --> 00:58:36,413
Speaker 22: If you can definitely encourage people, give them, give them

1296
00:58:36,413 --> 00:58:37,293
Speaker 22: a yearly bonus.

1297
00:58:38,613 --> 00:58:40,733
Speaker 2: And no claims bonus. I do think that I do

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Speaker 2: think that people need to look at the health service

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00:58:42,933 --> 00:58:45,293
Speaker 2: in their country as a partnership with their health There's

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Speaker 2: a different way you can look at I think some

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00:58:46,693 --> 00:58:49,053
Speaker 2: people just think that it's there to fix.

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Speaker 3: You, but really make me from myself.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's absolutely no that doesn't work out like that,

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Speaker 2: There's no way. And you know, I've talked to a

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Speaker 2: bunch of people, particularly one friend of mine who's a doctor,

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00:58:57,813 --> 00:59:00,453
Speaker 2: and he talks to some people and they go, what

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00:59:00,493 --> 00:59:01,733
Speaker 2: you can do and he because it's too late, I

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00:59:01,773 --> 00:59:03,933
Speaker 2: can't do anything for you. You know, you have to

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Speaker 2: save yourself. So you know, if the if the health

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Speaker 2: is and was clogged up with a bunch of people

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00:59:10,213 --> 00:59:12,933
Speaker 2: that don't understand that that the health services, that your

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00:59:12,973 --> 00:59:15,893
Speaker 2: health is your primary responsibility. It's one of the key

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00:59:15,933 --> 00:59:17,853
Speaker 2: things you can do for your country is be healthy,

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Speaker 2: and so you don't become a burden in the country.

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Speaker 2: And and and the health system is there will be

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Speaker 2: your partners to give you advice and help you through

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Speaker 2: and do what they can, but it's not their sole responsibility.

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Speaker 2: It's not the it's not the health system sole responsibility

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Speaker 2: to keep you healthy. So so do you think your

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Speaker 2: your your your partner will take up an option to

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Speaker 2: go overseas do some medical tourism.

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Speaker 22: Pretty much has to Yeah, that's kind of shits come

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Speaker 22: to that. It would be just yeah, unaffordable to have

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Speaker 22: it done. Here, so it's a bit I guess it's

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Speaker 22: a bit of a bonus because you get a holiday.

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Speaker 22: But we'll see how it goes. I'm nervous. I'm nervous.

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Speaker 2: What what do you mind me asking what the what

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Speaker 2: the procedure is?

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Speaker 22: Oh, just just fixing, fixing all the teeth. It's not

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Speaker 22: it's not cosmetic. Yeah, just necessities.

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Speaker 2: Really, you go, he's going to have to do it.

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Speaker 2: I just think it can't afford here. And then you

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Speaker 2: say it's a facelift. It's a facelift.

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Speaker 22: I'll let him do it and then I'll have mine done.

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Speaker 22: So we'll have him be the beginning data.

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Speaker 3: Nicely done.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for you called, Jennifer.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, great call. Oh one hundred eighty ten to eighty.

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Speaker 3: Medical tourism, it's on the rise. Have you looked into it?

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Speaker 3: Have you done it? Love to hear from you. Nine

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Speaker 3: to nine two is the text number. We've got headlines

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Speaker 3: with Raylene coming up. Then we've taken more of your causes.

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Speaker 3: Twenty nine to three.

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Speaker 16: no trouble with a blue bubble. The Nurses Organization says,

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Speaker 16: the aged care sectors in crisis and is asking the

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Speaker 16: government to make safe staffing a legal requirement. Insides a

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Speaker 16: report showing substandard care on more than a quarter of shifts,

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Speaker 16: with residents not choud, fed late or cold meals and

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Speaker 16: not being helped with toileting. The Breast Cancer Foundation celebrating

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Speaker 16: as free screening expands today to women age seventy and

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Speaker 16: seventy four. The ages in between will be added in

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Speaker 16: over the next three years. And you Post Freshwaters Strategy

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Speaker 16: poll has labor stable on thirty four percent, national, dropping

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Speaker 16: one to thirty one, and ends at first rising three

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Speaker 16: points to eleven percent. Wellington's Terrace Tunnel State Highway one

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Speaker 16: is now open in both directions following a crash about

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Speaker 16: one point fifteen. It was closed for around forty five

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Speaker 16: minutes as the cars were removed. Central Otago's iconic one

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Speaker 16: hundred and sixty two year old Cardrona Hotel has sold

1361
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Speaker 16: and is remaining in Kiwi hands. What's gone wrong with

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Speaker 16: New Zealand's once dominant schoolboy rugby system Read more at

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Speaker 16: Ensidhral Premium. Now back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Railan. We're talking about medical tourism.

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01:01:48,333 --> 01:01:49,893
Speaker 3: It has been on the rise in New Zealand for

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Speaker 3: some time, but there are stories emerging of when it

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01:01:53,093 --> 01:01:55,453
Speaker 3: goes wrong. The latest was a woman called Sherry. She's

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Speaker 3: a New Zealand woman. She had gastrek sleeve surgery in Turkey, Turkey.

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Speaker 3: Now she is in a hospital bed here in New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: She's there for twelve weeks and is got a feeding

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Speaker 3: tube because it's gone horribly wrong.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so she went over there. Now the Public House

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01:02:08,973 --> 01:02:11,733
Speaker 2: Service has to pay for fixing her up. It's not good,

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01:02:11,813 --> 01:02:14,413
Speaker 2: says Sally, and blaming people who supposedly do not look

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Speaker 2: after themselves is so lame. Was the health system ever

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01:02:18,133 --> 01:02:20,853
Speaker 2: top nuch? Like in other First World countries? There are

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Speaker 2: other reasons for this situation. Giving all the money to

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Speaker 2: the America's Cup Challenge for the New Zealand team could

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Speaker 2: have built more hospitals by now, Thanks Sally, I don't

1380
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Speaker 2: know if you could. I don't think how much money

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Speaker 2: is given for the America's Cup Challenge would have really

1382
01:02:32,853 --> 01:02:36,053
Speaker 2: done anything in the bottomless black hole pit of how

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Speaker 2: much it costs to run the New Zealand health situation.

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Speaker 2: But you've got to be are you saying that you

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01:02:44,373 --> 01:02:47,133
Speaker 2: can't blame people at all for their health. I mean,

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01:02:47,173 --> 01:02:51,933
Speaker 2: in your life, your health is primarily your responsibility, definitely,

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Speaker 2: first and foremost. I mean, what percentage of that as

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Speaker 2: someone else's that's you know, and there's things that happen Obviously,

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Speaker 2: we've got acc and there's really unfortunate things that happen

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01:03:01,413 --> 01:03:03,573
Speaker 2: to people that have no faulted their o's. Absolutely, and

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Speaker 2: we've got to help people that end up in terrible situations. Absolutely,

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Speaker 2: But to say that there's no blame for the state

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Speaker 2: of your health, it's a responsibility.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. It's your body, it's your health. And just on that,

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Speaker 3: I'm looking at at various studies looking into whether more

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01:03:19,733 --> 01:03:22,973
Speaker 3: health spends leads to better health improvements, and that is

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Speaker 3: not the case. There is study after study that shows

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01:03:25,653 --> 01:03:28,013
Speaker 3: even when you pump way more money into a health

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Speaker 3: system and developed nations, there are no improvements in health outcomes.

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Speaker 3: Because then, I mean, the results in the extension from

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01:03:37,093 --> 01:03:40,053
Speaker 3: this study was that people start to rely more on

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Speaker 3: the health system as that is going to save me,

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01:03:43,133 --> 01:03:45,173
Speaker 3: so that personal responsibility starts to go out of the

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01:03:45,173 --> 01:03:45,813
Speaker 3: window a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if someone's driving around with cars and

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01:03:47,533 --> 01:03:51,893
Speaker 2: they haven't pumped up the tires. You a bit of blame, right, Yeah,

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01:03:51,933 --> 01:03:54,333
Speaker 2: you're given a bit of blame. So you are your

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01:03:54,333 --> 01:03:56,613
Speaker 2: own car. You're your own vehicle, so you've got to

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01:03:56,653 --> 01:03:58,213
Speaker 2: You've got to do the maintenance on it. You've got to.

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Speaker 3: It's a fantastic analogy. This is it far better, Paul.

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Speaker 2: You've had some major mouthwork overseas. How's that gone?

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Speaker 19: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Three years ago, Foo Thailand and the food Kid. I

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01:04:10,493 --> 01:04:12,653
Speaker 5: had a fantastic holiday on the beach for a month.

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Speaker 5: I had worked in the dentist. Every day while I

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Speaker 5: was there, I had eight implants and six crowns. One

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Speaker 5: day I'd go into the dentist at eight o'clock in

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Speaker 5: the morning and one night I didn't get out till

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Speaker 5: six o'clock at night. And I can't tell you how

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Speaker 5: fantastic they were. I arrived, They give you a talk,

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Speaker 5: They give me a little pill to take. I called

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Speaker 5: it my happy tool. I take my happy pool and

1423
01:04:36,413 --> 01:04:38,613
Speaker 5: a drink of water, and they take me up into

1424
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Speaker 5: the room that was immaculates, and two nurses with me

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Speaker 5: the whole time. And the dentist was fantastic, great. They

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Speaker 5: made me just feel a part of their family, and

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Speaker 5: the hotel I had down the road was it might

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Speaker 5: have been a three star, but I had clean sheets

1429
01:04:54,413 --> 01:04:56,733
Speaker 5: every day, I had breakfast cooked for me every day,

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Speaker 5: and when after I came out of the dentist, I

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Speaker 5: would go down to the beach and sit underneath the

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01:05:03,013 --> 01:05:06,453
Speaker 5: palm tree and drink peanut coladas until the sun went

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01:05:06,573 --> 01:05:11,093
Speaker 5: down and then go back there. Yeah, I I can't

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Speaker 5: tell you that I had no issues at all. Wow.

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Speaker 5: They were so caring, so caring, and my people are great,

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Speaker 5: and I'm in my seventeenth so you know, my my

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01:05:22,693 --> 01:05:24,373
Speaker 5: teeth were falling the part that were full of a

1438
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Speaker 5: malgam and so I spent I spent eleven grand at

1439
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Speaker 5: the dentist over there, plus my hot plus my flight

1440
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Speaker 5: and to here to get my implants at Previa was

1441
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Speaker 5: going to be forty four thousand.

1442
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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 2: So essentially what you're saying for for about a quarter

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01:05:42,533 --> 01:05:45,333
Speaker 2: just over a quarter yees, and that included your accommodation.

1445
01:05:46,293 --> 01:05:48,453
Speaker 2: Imagine you imagine your pinicolatas were on top of that

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Speaker 2: eleven k.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that were fine, that wasn't too much.

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01:05:55,333 --> 01:05:58,253
Speaker 2: Well, and so did you have any concerns about you know,

1449
01:05:58,693 --> 01:06:02,213
Speaker 2: going under you know the whatever anesthetics you were taking

1450
01:06:02,253 --> 01:06:04,973
Speaker 2: and going under or anything in another another country or

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01:06:04,973 --> 01:06:06,453
Speaker 2: did you feel completely safe.

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Speaker 5: I did a lot of research and I was feedback here.

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01:06:11,533 --> 01:06:13,773
Speaker 5: I'm going on his I ringing and I had to

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01:06:13,773 --> 01:06:16,093
Speaker 5: talk to him and he just took filled my confidence

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01:06:16,173 --> 01:06:19,133
Speaker 5: to go and so I just booked it all myself

1456
01:06:19,173 --> 01:06:21,693
Speaker 5: and did look and flew over there and had aware

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Speaker 5: of a.

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Speaker 2: Trim wow, glorying.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems like a good time. Surgery went well.

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Speaker 3: Pinaciladas on the beach, that is that's.

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Speaker 5: That a success for years and years, I wouldn't momorrow.

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Speaker 5: Of course. My teeth were absolutely shocking. I was disgusted

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Speaker 5: with them. Now I'm happy. Yeah, yeah, it was good.

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Speaker 2: You sound very happy, Paul.

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01:06:43,853 --> 01:06:45,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure how good pina clutters are for the

1467
01:06:47,133 --> 01:06:48,293
Speaker 2: teeth though going forward.

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Speaker 3: That is a risky move after work like that. But

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Speaker 3: got on your pall. Oh one hundred and eighty ten

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Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call. Couple of texts coming

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Speaker 3: through here, A.

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Speaker 2: Very interesting topic. I had muscle reparation and other issues

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01:07:00,293 --> 01:07:03,533
Speaker 2: since having children. To get the work done, it will

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Speaker 2: cost over sixty k for me to go to Turkey

1475
01:07:05,613 --> 01:07:10,213
Speaker 2: will cost twelve hundred and fifty twelve five hundred for flights.

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01:07:10,293 --> 01:07:12,973
Speaker 2: It's either lived my life in misery or take the risk.

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Speaker 2: Have done a lot of research and study and it

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01:07:14,973 --> 01:07:15,573
Speaker 2: seems great.

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01:07:15,813 --> 01:07:19,933
Speaker 3: Yeah, good text. So sixty k here twelve hundred and sorry,

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01:07:19,973 --> 01:07:22,733
Speaker 3: twelve thy five hundred in Turkey. That is a big saving.

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01:07:22,933 --> 01:07:25,133
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, well isn't that crazy? But I mean, do

1482
01:07:25,253 --> 01:07:28,213
Speaker 2: we mind as a country, don't we want everyone to

1483
01:07:28,253 --> 01:07:31,013
Speaker 2: outsource and then not, you know, because our systems so

1484
01:07:31,293 --> 01:07:34,373
Speaker 2: horrifically clogged. I mean as far as the as long

1485
01:07:34,453 --> 01:07:37,093
Speaker 2: I mean as long as with this gastric sleeve problem,

1486
01:07:37,293 --> 01:07:38,733
Speaker 2: as long as they don't come back and when then

1487
01:07:38,773 --> 01:07:41,093
Speaker 2: we have to look after them where it goes wrong.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there is that side as well. It is nineteen

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Speaker 3: to three. Back very shortly.

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Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon Talk Matt Heath and Taylor Adams

1491
01:07:49,493 --> 01:07:53,333
Speaker 1: afternoons call eight hundred eighty ten eighty news Talk sai'd

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Speaker 1: be afternoon.

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Speaker 3: It is sixteen to three.

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Speaker 2: So this text for asks what actually happened to the lady?

1495
01:07:58,133 --> 01:08:00,853
Speaker 2: Was it medical misadventured? Did she get an infection or

1496
01:08:00,853 --> 01:08:03,733
Speaker 2: have underlying issues, et cetera. It's a great question. So

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01:08:03,733 --> 01:08:07,173
Speaker 2: we're talking about that woman that got gastric sleeve surgery, Yeah,

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01:08:07,253 --> 01:08:10,133
Speaker 2: in Turkey, and then there was a bit of a leak.

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01:08:10,173 --> 01:08:12,933
Speaker 2: It's disgusting stuff. And then back in New Zealand, she's

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01:08:12,973 --> 01:08:16,532
Speaker 2: been hospitalized for twelve weeks and in a terrible state. Yeah,

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01:08:16,613 --> 01:08:19,733
Speaker 2: but what actually happened over in Turkey.

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Speaker 3: So there was a delay to this operation she was

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01:08:21,933 --> 01:08:25,412
Speaker 3: going to have in Turkey. Then she had the surgery

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01:08:25,452 --> 01:08:27,213
Speaker 3: on the second of August and was on a plane

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01:08:27,213 --> 01:08:30,532
Speaker 3: home five days later. Then, with eleven hours left on

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01:08:30,572 --> 01:08:33,013
Speaker 3: a flight, she began to feel a terrible amount of

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01:08:33,093 --> 01:08:36,173
Speaker 3: pay pain. She says, I was going into shock. All

1508
01:08:36,213 --> 01:08:39,133
Speaker 3: I could do was ask the flight attendant for painkillers.

1509
01:08:39,933 --> 01:08:42,173
Speaker 3: She then got home, was rushed to the hospital and

1510
01:08:42,253 --> 01:08:44,932
Speaker 3: it turned out it was a gastric sleeve leak and

1511
01:08:44,973 --> 01:08:46,732
Speaker 3: she was in hospital for the next twelve weeks. So

1512
01:08:46,853 --> 01:08:51,733
Speaker 3: something happened obviously on that flight, I mean delaying that surgery,

1513
01:08:52,173 --> 01:08:54,652
Speaker 3: and then you've only got that short window to get

1514
01:08:54,692 --> 01:08:56,492
Speaker 3: back to New Zealand. So you're on the plane five

1515
01:08:56,532 --> 01:09:00,692
Speaker 3: days later the surgery. The surgeons in Turkey because her

1516
01:09:00,692 --> 01:09:01,852
Speaker 3: blood pressure was too high.

1517
01:09:02,652 --> 01:09:06,972
Speaker 2: That's interesting because yeah, I mean maybe if she because

1518
01:09:07,013 --> 01:09:10,372
Speaker 2: her blood pressure was too high. So is that because

1519
01:09:10,412 --> 01:09:12,612
Speaker 2: she didn't hit the target? So who knows? But I

1520
01:09:12,612 --> 01:09:14,093
Speaker 2: mean if she was still over there, they might have

1521
01:09:14,093 --> 01:09:15,692
Speaker 2: taken her back in because you didn't know that this

1522
01:09:15,812 --> 01:09:18,013
Speaker 2: was wrong until she was coming back, right, Yeah, So

1523
01:09:18,053 --> 01:09:19,932
Speaker 2: it might be the case that if she's remained over

1524
01:09:19,933 --> 01:09:21,452
Speaker 2: in Turkey that then they would have fixed it up

1525
01:09:21,452 --> 01:09:23,333
Speaker 2: over there. But she just happens to be back here.

1526
01:09:23,372 --> 01:09:25,732
Speaker 2: This as complicated, right, it is very good, I'd say, guest,

1527
01:09:25,732 --> 01:09:28,732
Speaker 2: strick sleeve surgery is a lot more complicated than what

1528
01:09:28,973 --> 01:09:31,732
Speaker 2: you know, the implants and crowns that was at Paul

1529
01:09:31,973 --> 01:09:35,052
Speaker 2: on the Pina Coladas that he was getting done pretty

1530
01:09:35,053 --> 01:09:37,652
Speaker 2: invasive surgery, Jamie, Welcome to the show.

1531
01:09:38,652 --> 01:09:38,812
Speaker 4: Hi.

1532
01:09:39,973 --> 01:09:43,852
Speaker 3: Hello, so you've looked into medical tourism or you know

1533
01:09:43,893 --> 01:09:44,492
Speaker 3: some people.

1534
01:09:44,333 --> 01:09:44,732
Speaker 20: Have done it.

1535
01:09:46,412 --> 01:09:50,492
Speaker 8: My husband and I we get our teeth done overseas annually,

1536
01:09:51,612 --> 01:09:54,972
Speaker 8: and we're probably looking to get like the next stage

1537
01:09:55,053 --> 01:09:58,093
Speaker 8: of I guess peace stuff done overseas after I guess,

1538
01:09:58,093 --> 01:10:00,853
Speaker 8: having dabbled with less severe procedures.

1539
01:10:01,093 --> 01:10:03,452
Speaker 2: When you say annually, how many how many times have

1540
01:10:03,492 --> 01:10:06,612
Speaker 2: you been over If you're getting it done annually, oh,

1541
01:10:06,652 --> 01:10:07,013
Speaker 2: we go.

1542
01:10:07,013 --> 01:10:09,852
Speaker 8: To Bali and we went the first time and we

1543
01:10:09,933 --> 01:10:11,812
Speaker 8: just got some feelings and a clean and like a

1544
01:10:11,853 --> 01:10:14,652
Speaker 8: whitening treatment. Yeah, you know, something that was kind of

1545
01:10:14,692 --> 01:10:16,572
Speaker 8: I guess safe to test the water.

1546
01:10:16,772 --> 01:10:18,532
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah.

1547
01:10:18,732 --> 01:10:21,933
Speaker 8: Honestly, the clinics that we were in were just absolutely

1548
01:10:22,053 --> 01:10:25,372
Speaker 8: next level. The care, the facilities, the procedures, and the

1549
01:10:25,412 --> 01:10:29,532
Speaker 8: staff like no dentist clinic I've ever been in. And

1550
01:10:29,652 --> 01:10:31,692
Speaker 8: rather than the States than we had top care over

1551
01:10:31,692 --> 01:10:35,173
Speaker 8: there as well. But the Bali one just threw our minds.

1552
01:10:35,372 --> 01:10:38,732
Speaker 8: So we went back the next year and got further work.

1553
01:10:38,933 --> 01:10:41,253
Speaker 8: Some routes now is done and I guess I want

1554
01:10:41,293 --> 01:10:45,692
Speaker 8: to get I took removed and some more I guess

1555
01:10:45,732 --> 01:10:48,013
Speaker 8: intensive stuff done. So I'm looking at going back and

1556
01:10:48,093 --> 01:10:48,732
Speaker 8: doing that again.

1557
01:10:50,372 --> 01:10:50,732
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1558
01:10:50,812 --> 01:10:55,412
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so you just felt completely so you did

1559
01:10:55,412 --> 01:10:57,572
Speaker 2: your little test and then now you feel completely and

1560
01:10:57,652 --> 01:11:02,053
Speaker 2: utterly confident to go and get much more intense procedures done. Jamie.

1561
01:11:02,732 --> 01:11:06,213
Speaker 8: Yes, that's that's correct, and that's just foridental work. And

1562
01:11:06,253 --> 01:11:09,692
Speaker 8: because of that, I feel confident in and investigating a

1563
01:11:09,772 --> 01:11:12,253
Speaker 8: potential other like medical procedures.

1564
01:11:14,612 --> 01:11:16,532
Speaker 3: Who did you go through, Jamie? Did you just sort

1565
01:11:16,572 --> 01:11:18,253
Speaker 3: of at yourself or did you go through a company

1566
01:11:18,372 --> 01:11:20,293
Speaker 3: or is there an agent you deal with to set

1567
01:11:20,293 --> 01:11:20,812
Speaker 3: this all up.

1568
01:11:22,412 --> 01:11:25,612
Speaker 8: I did it myself by going on to a Barley

1569
01:11:25,692 --> 01:11:29,853
Speaker 8: tourism group and just searching for other people's firsthand experiences

1570
01:11:29,893 --> 01:11:33,972
Speaker 8: for which clinics. I then found the clinics myself, read

1571
01:11:34,013 --> 01:11:38,652
Speaker 8: their reviews online, reached out to them and communicated that way,

1572
01:11:38,692 --> 01:11:40,692
Speaker 8: and it was it was fine. But you know that

1573
01:11:40,772 --> 01:11:42,173
Speaker 8: was for SMATL procedures.

1574
01:11:42,333 --> 01:11:46,492
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, So you're seeing this as a dentistry trip

1575
01:11:46,492 --> 01:11:49,333
Speaker 2: with a bit of a holiday tacked on each time, Jamie,

1576
01:11:49,372 --> 01:11:50,052
Speaker 2: you and your husband.

1577
01:11:50,812 --> 01:11:52,892
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'd say the first time was actually a holiday

1578
01:11:52,933 --> 01:11:55,812
Speaker 8: with dentistry tacked on. But now it's like, okay, yeah,

1579
01:11:55,812 --> 01:11:56,572
Speaker 8: we're going to go back.

1580
01:11:57,173 --> 01:12:00,333
Speaker 2: Now it's a procedure. So now it's a procedure with

1581
01:12:00,572 --> 01:12:01,372
Speaker 2: holiday TechEd on.

1582
01:12:02,253 --> 01:12:07,772
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's great. I'm in the health industry myself. I

1583
01:12:07,812 --> 01:12:10,452
Speaker 8: own a of their therapy business, and I have a

1584
01:12:10,452 --> 01:12:13,173
Speaker 8: lot of patients that I know who have gone over

1585
01:12:13,293 --> 01:12:20,293
Speaker 8: for more intensive surgery, stayed Turkey and whatnot for destrict

1586
01:12:20,293 --> 01:12:24,333
Speaker 8: sleeve surgery, you know, breath and plants. And I would

1587
01:12:24,412 --> 01:12:27,412
Speaker 8: say that everyone who I know directly who's gone has

1588
01:12:27,492 --> 01:12:31,653
Speaker 8: come back really, really happy, with the service and the investments,

1589
01:12:32,452 --> 01:12:34,492
Speaker 8: you know, and that would be easily easily half a

1590
01:12:34,492 --> 01:12:35,092
Speaker 8: dozen people.

1591
01:12:35,732 --> 01:12:37,093
Speaker 2: Is it when you when you when you sign a

1592
01:12:37,133 --> 01:12:39,532
Speaker 2: contract to do this and the paperwork around getting the

1593
01:12:39,572 --> 01:12:43,492
Speaker 2: surgery done? Is there anything in there about if it

1594
01:12:43,532 --> 01:12:46,053
Speaker 2: goes wrong, the support that they will give you or

1595
01:12:46,093 --> 01:12:47,532
Speaker 2: you on your own if it goes wrong.

1596
01:12:49,053 --> 01:12:51,452
Speaker 8: They do advise that you stay for a certain amount

1597
01:12:51,492 --> 01:12:55,133
Speaker 8: of time afterwards for follow ups, because I've just like

1598
01:12:55,293 --> 01:13:00,812
Speaker 8: looked into getting some some surgery done post Chobeiss and

1599
01:13:00,853 --> 01:13:03,053
Speaker 8: there's like an like I remember reading them to say,

1600
01:13:03,053 --> 01:13:04,932
Speaker 8: you know, we advise that you stay for two weeks

1601
01:13:04,973 --> 01:13:08,333
Speaker 8: afterwards for follow up care, but you'll be discharged from

1602
01:13:08,452 --> 01:13:13,012
Speaker 8: services a seven days later. Yeah, so there is that.

1603
01:13:13,133 --> 01:13:16,093
Speaker 8: But I would also say that we have issues with

1604
01:13:16,173 --> 01:13:19,213
Speaker 8: our surgeries in New Zealand where people have mistakes afterwards

1605
01:13:19,213 --> 01:13:20,413
Speaker 8: and they need to be readmitted.

1606
01:13:20,652 --> 01:13:24,173
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I mean and it sounds like this woman

1607
01:13:24,213 --> 01:13:26,852
Speaker 2: coming home from Turkey after just five days after the

1608
01:13:26,853 --> 01:13:31,173
Speaker 2: surgery sounds you know that that sounds pretty pretty tight.

1609
01:13:31,293 --> 01:13:35,892
Speaker 3: Yeah, her window narrowed, which obviously led to well, arguably

1610
01:13:35,973 --> 01:13:38,652
Speaker 3: complications maybe on the on the plane ride home, who knows,

1611
01:13:38,732 --> 01:13:40,933
Speaker 3: But the very fact that it got delayed because of

1612
01:13:40,973 --> 01:13:43,612
Speaker 3: her blood pressure and the window was so narrow anyway,

1613
01:13:44,173 --> 01:13:45,492
Speaker 3: is a pretty dangerous thing to.

1614
01:13:45,732 --> 01:13:47,532
Speaker 2: Do, Jamie. Did you say you've got did you say

1615
01:13:47,532 --> 01:13:48,253
Speaker 2: you've got children?

1616
01:13:49,253 --> 01:13:49,452
Speaker 12: I do?

1617
01:13:49,652 --> 01:13:49,812
Speaker 5: Yes?

1618
01:13:49,973 --> 01:13:51,732
Speaker 2: Yeah, So, I mean that's the real test for a parent.

1619
01:13:51,812 --> 01:13:54,932
Speaker 2: Would would you put your children through a surgery in Thailand?

1620
01:13:57,973 --> 01:14:01,092
Speaker 8: Depending? You know, I'm fortunate enough that they could probably

1621
01:14:01,093 --> 01:14:03,732
Speaker 8: afford it in New Zealand. Yeah, But if it was

1622
01:14:03,732 --> 01:14:07,933
Speaker 8: a surgery that they needed medically and it was unaffordable

1623
01:14:07,973 --> 01:14:10,972
Speaker 8: for me, then yeah, I guess I would.

1624
01:14:11,213 --> 01:14:11,933
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1625
01:14:12,213 --> 01:14:14,333
Speaker 3: Just just last question, Jamie, you might answer this, but

1626
01:14:14,372 --> 01:14:16,892
Speaker 3: can you get insurance if it does go wrong? You

1627
01:14:16,973 --> 01:14:19,333
Speaker 3: mentioned that seven day kind of window that they'll look

1628
01:14:19,372 --> 01:14:21,532
Speaker 3: after you and make sure it's all good. But is

1629
01:14:21,612 --> 01:14:25,293
Speaker 3: there back up insurance similar to our acc.

1630
01:14:26,372 --> 01:14:29,452
Speaker 8: If so, I locked into that ball when we went

1631
01:14:29,492 --> 01:14:32,372
Speaker 8: to Balley fa Teeth. Our typical health insurance did not

1632
01:14:32,532 --> 01:14:36,173
Speaker 8: cover that. But if you go through agencies, they do

1633
01:14:36,253 --> 01:14:40,293
Speaker 8: have house insurance that covers that particular procedure. So yet,

1634
01:14:40,572 --> 01:14:42,852
Speaker 8: if you do your research right, you can get CALP

1635
01:14:42,933 --> 01:14:44,653
Speaker 8: coverage to cover you for that procedure.

1636
01:14:44,732 --> 01:14:47,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, very interesting, Great to chat with you. Oh one

1637
01:14:47,133 --> 01:14:49,093
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1638
01:14:49,173 --> 01:14:50,972
Speaker 2: The sexts is definitely get it done in New Zealand

1639
01:14:51,013 --> 01:14:53,333
Speaker 2: if you can. But the raality is this can happen

1640
01:14:53,412 --> 01:14:55,133
Speaker 2: no matter where you are in New Zealand with a

1641
01:14:55,173 --> 01:14:57,692
Speaker 2: top surgeon. Even the difference is you are not traveling

1642
01:14:57,732 --> 01:15:00,372
Speaker 2: home for twenty four hours with little access to care. Yeah,

1643
01:15:00,372 --> 01:15:02,293
Speaker 2: that's a risk and everyone is going to have to

1644
01:15:02,333 --> 01:15:04,932
Speaker 2: weigh up the risks. A gastric sleeve is actually pretty

1645
01:15:05,213 --> 01:15:10,612
Speaker 2: minimally invasive. That's interesting. It's a I don't think it's

1646
01:15:10,692 --> 01:15:13,293
Speaker 2: correct to say it's more invasive than breast implants.

1647
01:15:13,333 --> 01:15:19,652
Speaker 3: Tyler, Okay, well, good to know. Laparoscoptic. Interesting laparoscopic because

1648
01:15:19,652 --> 01:15:22,893
Speaker 3: it sounds pretty full on but less invasive than breast implants,

1649
01:15:23,173 --> 01:15:24,652
Speaker 3: and a lot of people are getting those done in

1650
01:15:24,652 --> 01:15:26,812
Speaker 3: the places like Bali. Oh eight, one hundred eighty ten

1651
01:15:26,893 --> 01:15:28,173
Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call.

1652
01:15:28,293 --> 01:15:31,053
Speaker 2: Well, how invasive are breast implants? I mean you got

1653
01:15:31,053 --> 01:15:33,492
Speaker 2: to Yeah, you gotta cut something over, don't you. You're

1654
01:15:33,492 --> 01:15:36,132
Speaker 2: doing in there? Yep, slip it in okay, two seconds,

1655
01:15:36,173 --> 01:15:41,092
Speaker 2: just quickly. Laparoscoptic refused to a minimally invasive surgery technique

1656
01:15:41,093 --> 01:15:44,372
Speaker 2: that uses small incisions to insert a camera and surgical

1657
01:15:44,412 --> 01:15:47,852
Speaker 2: instruments to perform procedures interesting also known as keyhole surgery.

1658
01:15:47,893 --> 01:15:49,932
Speaker 3: Yeah, good to know. It is eight minutes to three

1659
01:15:49,973 --> 01:15:50,333
Speaker 3: back in the.

1660
01:15:50,333 --> 01:15:53,572
Speaker 1: Mow, the issues that affect you, and a bit of

1661
01:15:53,612 --> 01:15:56,893
Speaker 1: fun along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons

1662
01:15:57,213 --> 01:15:58,213
Speaker 1: used talks'd be.

1663
01:15:58,933 --> 01:16:01,093
Speaker 3: Six to three. There's some great texts that have come

1664
01:16:01,133 --> 01:16:02,692
Speaker 3: through on medical tourism.

1665
01:16:02,772 --> 01:16:05,212
Speaker 2: This is a silly text though it says it's pronounced

1666
01:16:05,333 --> 01:16:11,892
Speaker 2: laparoscopic laparoscopic. The thing is you're still You're still, You're

1667
01:16:11,933 --> 01:16:14,812
Speaker 2: still depending on my pronunciation just because you're text and

1668
01:16:14,812 --> 01:16:18,133
Speaker 2: how it's pronounced. Still, you're still beholden to my terrible.

1669
01:16:18,572 --> 01:16:20,012
Speaker 3: Anything doesn't change anything.

1670
01:16:20,652 --> 01:16:25,732
Speaker 2: I've potentially pronounced it incorrectly. Again, guys, you seem to

1671
01:16:25,732 --> 01:16:27,652
Speaker 2: think that New Zealand is the best there is. That's

1672
01:16:27,652 --> 01:16:30,612
Speaker 2: only because you only have Antarctica in Wales to compare

1673
01:16:30,652 --> 01:16:34,012
Speaker 2: yourself with, and by Wales as w h A. L Ees,

1674
01:16:34,412 --> 01:16:37,093
Speaker 2: not the company, the country. There's a big world out

1675
01:16:37,093 --> 01:16:39,933
Speaker 2: there that's miles away from the clogged, inefficient, overpriced and

1676
01:16:39,973 --> 01:16:42,572
Speaker 2: badly run New Zealand system. Things can go wrong anywhere,

1677
01:16:42,572 --> 01:16:46,093
Speaker 2: but overall things speak for themselves. This is interesting this

1678
01:16:46,213 --> 01:16:48,372
Speaker 2: text from Mike. Hi, Guys, I have a friend who

1679
01:16:48,452 --> 01:16:50,972
Speaker 2: goes to Vietnam every two years for dental work holiday.

1680
01:16:51,333 --> 01:16:52,812
Speaker 2: Her dentist was trained at Targo.

1681
01:16:52,973 --> 01:16:53,213
Speaker 5: WW.

1682
01:16:53,333 --> 01:16:55,452
Speaker 3: There we go, good school, good dentists.

1683
01:16:55,013 --> 01:16:57,412
Speaker 2: Great dentistry school in Totago. I tell you I am fit,

1684
01:16:57,452 --> 01:17:00,052
Speaker 2: healthy and look after myself. Well, we have private healthcare,

1685
01:17:00,053 --> 01:17:01,532
Speaker 2: but they do not cover things that happen to a

1686
01:17:01,532 --> 01:17:05,572
Speaker 2: woman's body after childbirth. Yeah, this is true, like muscle

1687
01:17:05,973 --> 01:17:08,253
Speaker 2: and other more personal things, but it's not They've put

1688
01:17:08,333 --> 01:17:10,732
Speaker 2: mestl separation. What is it called? Someone will tell me

1689
01:17:10,812 --> 01:17:13,772
Speaker 2: it's not muscle separation. Yeah, something else you mean?

1690
01:17:13,893 --> 01:17:17,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, Steve, We've got about sixty seconds my frame. But

1691
01:17:17,253 --> 01:17:19,252
Speaker 3: you've heard all sorts of stuff in different countries.

1692
01:17:20,372 --> 01:17:23,572
Speaker 17: Yeah, I have my started off for about six years ago.

1693
01:17:23,572 --> 01:17:27,133
Speaker 17: I had a bariatric surgery over in Mexico that was

1694
01:17:27,173 --> 01:17:31,053
Speaker 17: done by Keol surgery was very successful. And then I've

1695
01:17:31,053 --> 01:17:35,092
Speaker 17: been to India three times and i'd mid teeth done

1696
01:17:35,333 --> 01:17:40,532
Speaker 17: twice complete sets and just finished getting back three weeks

1697
01:17:40,572 --> 01:17:47,772
Speaker 17: ago from a knee surgery for the new knee. Yeah,

1698
01:17:47,812 --> 01:17:51,572
Speaker 17: and I think we've done as research and done the

1699
01:17:51,692 --> 01:17:54,732
Speaker 17: due diligence, which is most important. But you can't compete

1700
01:17:54,732 --> 01:17:58,772
Speaker 17: with the prices of waiting over in New Zealand for

1701
01:17:58,973 --> 01:18:02,293
Speaker 17: fourteen months on a wait list or thirty thousand dollars

1702
01:18:02,333 --> 01:18:04,732
Speaker 17: for a knee surgery and you can have it done

1703
01:18:04,732 --> 01:18:07,372
Speaker 17: for ten thousands in India with in a bance banking

1704
01:18:07,492 --> 01:18:10,133
Speaker 17: you up to oswill real boptic.

1705
01:18:09,893 --> 01:18:14,932
Speaker 2: Arm yeah, Steve, but if everything well, generally speaking, people

1706
01:18:14,973 --> 01:18:17,452
Speaker 2: have been very supportive of medical tourism.

1707
01:18:18,053 --> 01:18:20,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, great discussion. Thank you very much to everyone who

1708
01:18:20,372 --> 01:18:23,413
Speaker 3: called through on that one. Coming up after three o'clock,

1709
01:18:24,213 --> 01:18:26,932
Speaker 3: DNA is that important when thinking about adoption?

1710
01:18:29,652 --> 01:18:33,892
Speaker 1: Your new homes are instateful and entertaining. Talk It's Matty

1711
01:18:34,173 --> 01:18:37,532
Speaker 1: and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk.

1712
01:18:37,412 --> 01:18:41,572
Speaker 3: Sevy very good afternoons you it is seven pass three.

1713
01:18:41,692 --> 01:18:44,692
Speaker 2: Can I just say just before we continue, I'm just

1714
01:18:44,732 --> 01:18:46,012
Speaker 2: gonna put this out into the universe.

1715
01:18:46,133 --> 01:18:46,372
Speaker 3: Yep.

1716
01:18:46,853 --> 01:18:47,532
Speaker 2: Let's go dodge it.

1717
01:18:47,652 --> 01:18:50,772
Speaker 3: Let's go Dodges, Let's go Dodgers. We've got it up

1718
01:18:50,812 --> 01:18:51,532
Speaker 3: on the big screen.

1719
01:18:51,572 --> 01:18:51,732
Speaker 4: Man.

1720
01:18:51,812 --> 01:18:56,012
Speaker 3: I am learning a lot about baseball and love your excitement, mate.

1721
01:18:55,853 --> 01:19:00,012
Speaker 2: Slash being absolutely punished by me with technical Baseball's hard chat.

1722
01:19:00,093 --> 01:19:02,532
Speaker 3: There's a lot into it. There's a lot of strategy,

1723
01:19:02,532 --> 01:19:04,132
Speaker 3: obviously because it's professional sports.

1724
01:19:04,093 --> 01:19:07,293
Speaker 2: I love Kike and Indiez. I love Mooky Betts, of course,

1725
01:19:07,293 --> 01:19:09,532
Speaker 2: I love show how Tiny. I mean, it's just such

1726
01:19:09,532 --> 01:19:13,253
Speaker 2: a great team, Max Munsey. There's so many great, great

1727
01:19:13,293 --> 01:19:15,732
Speaker 2: people there, Aska and Nndez.

1728
01:19:15,933 --> 01:19:18,932
Speaker 3: I just love your excitement, mate, your passion, your phizzine.

1729
01:19:18,973 --> 01:19:20,293
Speaker 3: You're like a kid in the sandy store.

1730
01:19:20,333 --> 01:19:20,572
Speaker 4: Love it.

1731
01:19:20,652 --> 01:19:23,293
Speaker 2: But it's not about us sport. Right now, we've a

1732
01:19:23,692 --> 01:19:26,492
Speaker 2: We've got a great conversation for the next hour on

1733
01:19:26,612 --> 01:19:29,333
Speaker 2: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons on ZBO one hundred

1734
01:19:29,333 --> 01:19:29,972
Speaker 2: and eighty teen eighty.

1735
01:19:30,053 --> 01:19:33,013
Speaker 3: We certainly do this one's a doozy. So Jennifer Aniston

1736
01:19:33,572 --> 01:19:36,572
Speaker 3: a LISTA and Hollywood friend star, movie star, all the

1737
01:19:36,612 --> 01:19:36,973
Speaker 3: rest of it.

1738
01:19:37,013 --> 01:19:38,692
Speaker 2: She reveals there anyone in the world that hasn't heard

1739
01:19:38,732 --> 01:19:39,492
Speaker 2: of Jennifer Aniston.

1740
01:19:40,013 --> 01:19:42,133
Speaker 3: It's a good point, but I need to clarify that

1741
01:19:42,173 --> 01:19:42,372
Speaker 3: she is.

1742
01:19:42,973 --> 01:19:44,892
Speaker 2: I'm not hastening to you for clarifying. I'm just saying

1743
01:19:44,933 --> 01:19:48,093
Speaker 2: she must be one of the most famous people in

1744
01:19:48,133 --> 01:19:49,293
Speaker 2: all Western world.

1745
01:19:49,173 --> 01:19:51,812
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, one of the most successful actresses. She was

1746
01:19:51,812 --> 01:19:57,453
Speaker 3: my favorite time. She was Yeah, Rachel quite like Monica Michael. Yeah,

1747
01:19:57,612 --> 01:19:58,333
Speaker 3: yeah screech.

1748
01:19:58,412 --> 01:20:00,533
Speaker 2: No one didn't like was ross but anyway, continue.

1749
01:20:00,293 --> 01:20:03,692
Speaker 3: Yah, anyway continued. Jennifer Anderston recently revealed in an interview

1750
01:20:03,893 --> 01:20:05,973
Speaker 3: that she chose not to adopt because she wanted her

1751
01:20:06,053 --> 01:20:09,732
Speaker 3: children to share her DNA. She has recently opened up

1752
01:20:09,732 --> 01:20:12,812
Speaker 3: about her fertility journey. She did want children, and she

1753
01:20:12,893 --> 01:20:16,333
Speaker 3: underwent multiple rounds of IVF over a span of twenty years,

1754
01:20:16,853 --> 01:20:19,013
Speaker 3: but sadly just did not work out for her. But

1755
01:20:19,213 --> 01:20:23,932
Speaker 3: in a very recent interview, she claimed that she looked

1756
01:20:23,933 --> 01:20:26,772
Speaker 3: into adoption for a short while, but the very fact

1757
01:20:26,933 --> 01:20:29,772
Speaker 3: that the child that she may or may not adopt

1758
01:20:29,772 --> 01:20:31,972
Speaker 3: would not share her DNA completely put it off.

1759
01:20:32,452 --> 01:20:35,532
Speaker 2: Yeah, so does it matter if your kids have your DNA?

1760
01:20:35,853 --> 01:20:38,652
Speaker 2: That's an interesting thing, isn't it that she chose not

1761
01:20:38,853 --> 01:20:41,133
Speaker 2: to have children because I'd imagined it'd be very easy

1762
01:20:41,133 --> 01:20:44,733
Speaker 2: for Jennifer Aniston to adopt. Yes, you know, she's absolutely

1763
01:20:44,812 --> 01:20:45,492
Speaker 2: rolling in cash.

1764
01:20:45,612 --> 01:20:46,612
Speaker 3: Yep, yep. Not sure of that.

1765
01:20:46,812 --> 01:20:52,652
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, because surely surely that doesn't matter that much,

1766
01:20:52,652 --> 01:20:54,372
Speaker 2: does it. I mean, I love my kids. I wonder

1767
01:20:54,532 --> 01:20:56,013
Speaker 2: how much of that is just because they've got the

1768
01:20:56,013 --> 01:20:56,812
Speaker 2: same DNA as me.

1769
01:20:57,053 --> 01:20:59,972
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it must be a consideration for some people

1770
01:20:59,973 --> 01:21:01,253
Speaker 3: out there. We'd love to hear from you on O

1771
01:21:01,333 --> 01:21:03,932
Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty if you've gone down

1772
01:21:03,973 --> 01:21:07,253
Speaker 3: the adoption process. Did that cross your mind, because I

1773
01:21:07,253 --> 01:21:10,932
Speaker 3: imagine that is a consideration for some people. It is.

1774
01:21:10,973 --> 01:21:14,173
Speaker 3: You know, it's a big thing that when you're looking

1775
01:21:14,173 --> 01:21:16,333
Speaker 3: to have a child, and I can speak, I can

1776
01:21:16,372 --> 01:21:18,253
Speaker 3: speak from a bit of experience here that we're we're

1777
01:21:18,692 --> 01:21:20,612
Speaker 3: trying for a child and we're in the early stages

1778
01:21:20,652 --> 01:21:24,293
Speaker 3: of going through that. But I would dearly love to

1779
01:21:24,372 --> 01:21:27,133
Speaker 3: have a child that has my DNA. And I don't

1780
01:21:27,133 --> 01:21:29,372
Speaker 3: say that to be, you know, a dispara a gene

1781
01:21:29,372 --> 01:21:31,532
Speaker 3: of adoption. I think that's a beautiful thing. It's wonderful

1782
01:21:31,572 --> 01:21:32,452
Speaker 3: when kids get adopted.

1783
01:21:32,492 --> 01:21:35,372
Speaker 2: So the first priority would be that it's your kit.

1784
01:21:35,612 --> 01:21:40,453
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And I can't really give you a concise

1785
01:21:40,532 --> 01:21:43,093
Speaker 3: answer about why, but it's just a deep feeling that

1786
01:21:43,133 --> 01:21:45,333
Speaker 3: I've got that I would dearly love to be a

1787
01:21:45,412 --> 01:21:48,452
Speaker 3: father and I dearly love that that child to have

1788
01:21:48,532 --> 01:21:49,092
Speaker 3: my DNA.

1789
01:21:49,372 --> 01:21:51,452
Speaker 2: But I guess the thing is that as part of

1790
01:21:51,532 --> 01:21:54,333
Speaker 2: being a human is that you want to pass on

1791
01:21:54,372 --> 01:21:57,892
Speaker 2: your genes, right, and it's a huge motivation for humans

1792
01:21:58,652 --> 01:21:59,892
Speaker 2: that keeps the species going.

1793
01:21:59,973 --> 01:22:00,133
Speaker 5: Right.

1794
01:22:00,213 --> 01:22:02,692
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you want, you want to replicate yourself to

1795
01:22:02,732 --> 01:22:05,452
Speaker 2: a certain extent, keep the lineage going. But I think

1796
01:22:05,532 --> 01:22:08,092
Speaker 2: that once you had and I imagine if Jennifer Niston

1797
01:22:08,133 --> 01:22:11,972
Speaker 2: had had adopted a kid, I think she would love

1798
01:22:12,013 --> 01:22:14,013
Speaker 2: it just as much as if it wasn't her kid.

1799
01:22:14,093 --> 01:22:17,012
Speaker 2: Is my point, right, Yeah, yeah, I mean, look the mount.

1800
01:22:17,053 --> 01:22:21,133
Speaker 2: I love my dog Colin. He's got none of my DNA. No,

1801
01:22:21,372 --> 01:22:24,173
Speaker 2: he's listening right now. Good book, Colin, good book. Good See.

1802
01:22:24,213 --> 01:22:25,932
Speaker 2: I love Colin. Although I'm thinking about changing his name

1803
01:22:25,973 --> 01:22:27,572
Speaker 2: to Warren, but I'll talk about that.

1804
01:22:27,572 --> 01:22:28,173
Speaker 3: That's another thing.

1805
01:22:28,492 --> 01:22:30,053
Speaker 2: It's just I'm not going to get into the whole

1806
01:22:30,053 --> 01:22:32,173
Speaker 2: Colin from Accouncil thing that people. People think I named

1807
01:22:32,173 --> 01:22:34,172
Speaker 2: it after that TV show, but I didn't anyway. Yeah,

1808
01:22:34,253 --> 01:22:36,532
Speaker 2: so this Texas is high Matt and Tyler. I am

1809
01:22:36,532 --> 01:22:39,612
Speaker 2: adopted and in the last year have found both my

1810
01:22:39,692 --> 01:22:44,293
Speaker 2: mother's birth mother and father's family. I used interest ancestry

1811
01:22:44,293 --> 01:22:46,293
Speaker 2: of DNA and was fortunate enough to connect with a

1812
01:22:46,372 --> 01:22:48,572
Speaker 2: first cousin straight away. I did it as I had

1813
01:22:48,893 --> 01:22:51,772
Speaker 2: breast cancer fourteen years ago and have two daughters. I've

1814
01:22:51,853 --> 01:22:54,412
Speaker 2: had other health issues crop up. I'm glad I did it,

1815
01:22:54,452 --> 01:22:56,532
Speaker 2: as I am one of three in the same generation

1816
01:22:56,692 --> 01:22:58,812
Speaker 2: on my mother's side to have had breast cancer. Well,

1817
01:22:58,812 --> 01:23:01,732
Speaker 2: that's an interesting part part of DNA, isn't it. Now

1818
01:23:01,772 --> 01:23:05,173
Speaker 2: My daughters know and can be tested for the BRCA

1819
01:23:05,253 --> 01:23:06,852
Speaker 2: gen et cetera if they wish to.

1820
01:23:06,933 --> 01:23:09,253
Speaker 3: Thanks CAV that's a big alum to it. It's a

1821
01:23:09,253 --> 01:23:12,133
Speaker 3: great text. Oh E one hundred eighty ten eighty. Love

1822
01:23:12,213 --> 01:23:14,933
Speaker 3: to hear your thoughts on this. If you were adopted yourself,

1823
01:23:14,973 --> 01:23:17,812
Speaker 3: did you, like Cath want to track down your parents

1824
01:23:17,853 --> 01:23:21,412
Speaker 3: to get that DNA information. And indeed, if you weren't

1825
01:23:21,412 --> 01:23:23,932
Speaker 3: able to have children for whatever reason, if you did

1826
01:23:23,933 --> 01:23:26,492
Speaker 3: go down the adoption route, really love to hear from

1827
01:23:26,492 --> 01:23:27,852
Speaker 3: you on o E. One hundred and eighty ten eighty.

1828
01:23:27,933 --> 01:23:29,652
Speaker 2: As Mars says, anyone could be a dad, but it

1829
01:23:29,692 --> 01:23:31,253
Speaker 2: takes a special person to be a father.

1830
01:23:31,452 --> 01:23:34,492
Speaker 3: Nicely, said Mars eleven past three Hu's talks, they'd be

1831
01:23:34,812 --> 01:23:37,572
Speaker 3: very good afternoon. We're talking about DNA and children. Is

1832
01:23:37,612 --> 01:23:41,333
Speaker 3: that so important? Jennifer Aniston, in a recent interview, said

1833
01:23:41,372 --> 01:23:43,572
Speaker 3: she chose not to adopt a child she couldn't have

1834
01:23:43,612 --> 01:23:45,972
Speaker 3: any of her own, but she didn't want to because

1835
01:23:46,452 --> 01:23:49,333
Speaker 3: she wanted their child to her child rather to share

1836
01:23:49,372 --> 01:23:50,293
Speaker 3: her DNA.

1837
01:23:50,452 --> 01:23:53,572
Speaker 2: Well, this sext says, Hi, we adopted two children and

1838
01:23:53,612 --> 01:23:55,452
Speaker 2: then had one of our own. No difference at all

1839
01:23:55,452 --> 01:23:57,932
Speaker 2: between our love for them. We adore them all. That's

1840
01:23:58,213 --> 01:24:00,732
Speaker 2: from dead beautiful. My sisters used always tell me I

1841
01:24:00,732 --> 01:24:01,212
Speaker 2: was adopted.

1842
01:24:01,333 --> 01:24:01,973
Speaker 3: Did you believe it?

1843
01:24:02,093 --> 01:24:05,492
Speaker 2: Yeah, for a long time, Martin. Welcome to the show.

1844
01:24:06,452 --> 01:24:07,173
Speaker 4: How are you guys?

1845
01:24:07,412 --> 01:24:08,333
Speaker 2: Very good? Thank you.

1846
01:24:09,532 --> 01:24:14,492
Speaker 4: Now, I'm adopted. I knew from a very very tender

1847
01:24:14,532 --> 01:24:17,612
Speaker 4: age that I was. And I met my birth mother

1848
01:24:17,692 --> 01:24:22,253
Speaker 4: of twenty twenty one, and whilst she was the lady

1849
01:24:22,372 --> 01:24:24,572
Speaker 4: that gave birth to me, she wasn't my parents. My

1850
01:24:24,652 --> 01:24:27,053
Speaker 4: parents are the people that brought me up and taught

1851
01:24:27,093 --> 01:24:31,013
Speaker 4: me the rules and know helped make me into the

1852
01:24:31,053 --> 01:24:35,173
Speaker 4: man I am today, which I'm pretty proud of. But

1853
01:24:36,013 --> 01:24:41,452
Speaker 4: in saying that, when my first child was born, I

1854
01:24:41,492 --> 01:24:48,293
Speaker 4: felt completed because it was my blood and my bone

1855
01:24:48,492 --> 01:24:52,852
Speaker 4: that had you know, and I hope that's the right

1856
01:24:52,933 --> 01:24:56,972
Speaker 4: terms to use, but you know, when I looked down

1857
01:24:56,973 --> 01:24:59,892
Speaker 4: and I saw this little child in my hands, and

1858
01:25:00,253 --> 01:25:04,092
Speaker 4: you know, like all parents, you fall into a million births,

1859
01:25:04,093 --> 01:25:07,652
Speaker 4: you fall in love, and you hope that it's during

1860
01:25:08,053 --> 01:25:10,372
Speaker 4: during the life of becoming a parent that you do

1861
01:25:10,452 --> 01:25:13,572
Speaker 4: the right things, and sometimes you don't and sometimes you do.

1862
01:25:15,492 --> 01:25:17,732
Speaker 4: But like I've got two step daughters as well, and

1863
01:25:17,772 --> 01:25:20,492
Speaker 4: I love them dearly, and then they do my head

1864
01:25:20,492 --> 01:25:26,532
Speaker 4: and sometimes hope, you know, these are the things that

1865
01:25:26,572 --> 01:25:29,612
Speaker 4: we you know, I met their mother and I fell

1866
01:25:29,612 --> 01:25:32,132
Speaker 4: in love with her, and with her came two children.

1867
01:25:33,133 --> 01:25:35,772
Speaker 4: And this is the road that I choose to travel.

1868
01:25:35,853 --> 01:25:38,812
Speaker 4: So I've gone from being adopted to being a blood

1869
01:25:38,853 --> 01:25:43,053
Speaker 4: parent to being a stepfather. There's three different worlds there

1870
01:25:43,093 --> 01:25:43,812
Speaker 4: in its own right.

1871
01:25:44,133 --> 01:25:47,053
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. How old were you when you when you

1872
01:25:47,093 --> 01:25:48,532
Speaker 2: were told that you were adopted? Martin?

1873
01:25:49,812 --> 01:25:56,732
Speaker 4: So this is my grandmother, who was a very old

1874
01:25:56,732 --> 01:26:01,013
Speaker 4: fashioned english woman, told me in years ago that I

1875
01:26:01,133 --> 01:26:02,972
Speaker 4: rang her up at the age of two and said hello,

1876
01:26:03,093 --> 01:26:10,892
Speaker 4: then I'm adopted and hung up the phone. But you know,

1877
01:26:11,013 --> 01:26:13,133
Speaker 4: I knew all my life that I was adopted when

1878
01:26:13,173 --> 01:26:16,572
Speaker 4: I received the letter from what they now call one

1879
01:26:16,772 --> 01:26:22,973
Speaker 4: you know, family Wins or whatever it's called. And I

1880
01:26:23,013 --> 01:26:24,732
Speaker 4: was sitting at the table and I was reading this

1881
01:26:24,853 --> 01:26:27,492
Speaker 4: letter from this lady to say, hey, I'm your mother

1882
01:26:27,572 --> 01:26:29,892
Speaker 4: and I rarely hope you've done well, and you know,

1883
01:26:30,053 --> 01:26:34,172
Speaker 4: maybe we'll meet one day. Then I really really felt adopted.

1884
01:26:35,333 --> 01:26:38,372
Speaker 2: Yeah right, And did that change? Did that change your

1885
01:26:38,372 --> 01:26:42,733
Speaker 2: relationship with your biological I mean with your adoptive parents,

1886
01:26:43,213 --> 01:26:43,692
Speaker 2: not at all.

1887
01:26:44,333 --> 01:26:46,812
Speaker 4: The one thing, my one thing my mother said to

1888
01:26:46,812 --> 01:26:48,893
Speaker 4: me was don't forget me. And I said, you know,

1889
01:26:48,973 --> 01:26:51,812
Speaker 4: there's no chance of that. Obviously, you're my mum. You

1890
01:26:51,853 --> 01:26:54,293
Speaker 4: know again, she's the one that we had brought me

1891
01:26:54,333 --> 01:26:56,412
Speaker 4: out with the laughter and the tears, as the old

1892
01:26:56,492 --> 01:27:01,293
Speaker 4: saying goes, you know, but yeah, it just it just

1893
01:27:01,372 --> 01:27:03,812
Speaker 4: rang through. There's this lady that's trying to contact me,

1894
01:27:03,853 --> 01:27:07,452
Speaker 4: and you know, I met Jackie and she's wonderful. I

1895
01:27:07,452 --> 01:27:09,532
Speaker 4: don't know who the father, and I don't really care

1896
01:27:10,133 --> 01:27:11,133
Speaker 4: because I've got a dad.

1897
01:27:11,333 --> 01:27:14,692
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And do you know why you were put

1898
01:27:14,772 --> 01:27:19,412
Speaker 2: up for adoption? And secondary question why your parents adopted you?

1899
01:27:20,452 --> 01:27:26,293
Speaker 4: Yeah? So my mother was young. My birth mother letter

1900
01:27:26,372 --> 01:27:29,572
Speaker 4: is I won't go into the reasons why she had

1901
01:27:29,612 --> 01:27:33,213
Speaker 4: a child, but she you know, it was a time

1902
01:27:33,333 --> 01:27:36,532
Speaker 4: that in the early seventies and it was frowned upon

1903
01:27:36,572 --> 01:27:40,173
Speaker 4: to be a single mum in society, and she knew

1904
01:27:40,173 --> 01:27:44,652
Speaker 4: that she couldn't give me the life that she wanted to.

1905
01:27:44,812 --> 01:27:48,492
Speaker 4: This is what you know. These are her words. And

1906
01:27:48,492 --> 01:27:54,812
Speaker 4: funnily enough, my parents, you know, they had a still

1907
01:27:54,893 --> 01:28:00,333
Speaker 4: born child in sixty eight and thought they couldn't have

1908
01:28:00,372 --> 01:28:02,572
Speaker 4: any more kids, so they adopted me four years later,

1909
01:28:03,013 --> 01:28:05,053
Speaker 4: and then two years after that, my brother was born

1910
01:28:05,133 --> 01:28:10,693
Speaker 4: and he was DNA. He was their child, and unfortunately

1911
01:28:10,732 --> 01:28:13,892
Speaker 4: he was an autistic boy, and you know, he lived

1912
01:28:13,893 --> 01:28:21,612
Speaker 4: to a age of forty seven and passed away. But again, yeah,

1913
01:28:21,612 --> 01:28:24,333
Speaker 4: I appreciate the sentiment and thank you, but you know,

1914
01:28:25,492 --> 01:28:28,412
Speaker 4: I'm one of these people that is I was blessed.

1915
01:28:28,652 --> 01:28:30,333
Speaker 4: I feel blessed that I was brought up with two

1916
01:28:30,412 --> 01:28:34,892
Speaker 4: great people who had a very strong heritage in New

1917
01:28:34,973 --> 01:28:41,013
Speaker 4: Zealand within society. And you know we weren't rich or

1918
01:28:41,013 --> 01:28:42,852
Speaker 4: anything like that, don't get me wrong, but you know

1919
01:28:42,973 --> 01:28:49,452
Speaker 4: we had a strong history there. So you kind of, yeah,

1920
01:28:49,812 --> 01:28:51,172
Speaker 4: do you think it I was adopted?

1921
01:28:51,253 --> 01:28:53,572
Speaker 3: Sorry you carry on, mar No, No, you first, I

1922
01:28:53,652 --> 01:28:56,173
Speaker 3: was just going to say, and this might be, you know,

1923
01:28:56,213 --> 01:28:59,092
Speaker 3: an unusual question, but do you think there's some element

1924
01:28:59,173 --> 01:29:01,972
Speaker 3: there that people who go down the root of adoption.

1925
01:29:02,812 --> 01:29:05,572
Speaker 3: It is because for whatever reason, maybe they couldn't have

1926
01:29:05,652 --> 01:29:07,732
Speaker 3: children of their own, whatever their reasons may be, but

1927
01:29:07,853 --> 01:29:12,333
Speaker 3: clearly their desire to be great parents is a big

1928
01:29:12,372 --> 01:29:14,372
Speaker 3: part of that. That's the whole reason they'd go through

1929
01:29:14,372 --> 01:29:16,133
Speaker 3: a process like that. Do you think there's there's an

1930
01:29:16,173 --> 01:29:17,013
Speaker 3: element of truth to that?

1931
01:29:18,732 --> 01:29:18,932
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1932
01:29:18,973 --> 01:29:19,253
Speaker 15: I do.

1933
01:29:19,612 --> 01:29:23,253
Speaker 4: In antabrico, I think everyone goes into everything if they

1934
01:29:23,372 --> 01:29:27,253
Speaker 4: do it right for the right reasons. You know, my

1935
01:29:27,452 --> 01:29:29,812
Speaker 4: parents ended up being divorced when I was two and

1936
01:29:29,853 --> 01:29:34,133
Speaker 4: a half, but they still were fantastic parents for me.

1937
01:29:35,013 --> 01:29:37,013
Speaker 2: And did you get did you get because you've had

1938
01:29:37,053 --> 01:29:40,372
Speaker 2: the whole gambit? So then did you have step parents?

1939
01:29:40,372 --> 01:29:46,053
Speaker 2: Did your mother and father get? You've had everything, you

1940
01:29:46,053 --> 01:29:48,253
Speaker 2: have experienced everything, Martin.

1941
01:29:49,173 --> 01:29:53,173
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well I tell you what it's It's like Madagascar

1942
01:29:53,372 --> 01:29:54,973
Speaker 4: with that fro circus. I can tell you.

1943
01:29:55,933 --> 01:29:57,372
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1944
01:29:57,973 --> 01:30:01,772
Speaker 4: So I'm proud of that, and I believe that.

1945
01:30:02,732 --> 01:30:03,092
Speaker 21: Yeah.

1946
01:30:03,133 --> 01:30:06,053
Speaker 4: I mean my parents. My mum's got to mention now,

1947
01:30:06,053 --> 01:30:08,013
Speaker 4: so she's in the dementia ward, but every time she

1948
01:30:08,013 --> 01:30:11,173
Speaker 4: sees me, she smiles. And you know, my dad's eighty

1949
01:30:11,213 --> 01:30:13,972
Speaker 4: two and he's we get don't like a house on fire,

1950
01:30:14,053 --> 01:30:17,053
Speaker 4: but do you do it? For the right reasons. You

1951
01:30:17,093 --> 01:30:19,492
Speaker 4: don't you don't go, well, you shouldn't go and buy

1952
01:30:19,532 --> 01:30:22,612
Speaker 4: hers as I say, I met my now wife and

1953
01:30:22,732 --> 01:30:25,772
Speaker 4: she had two children. That's part of the package. You

1954
01:30:25,893 --> 01:30:30,053
Speaker 4: can't go and half hearted or half asked. You have

1955
01:30:30,173 --> 01:30:32,333
Speaker 4: to be committed.

1956
01:30:32,772 --> 01:30:35,013
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I mean the recipe of your life and

1957
01:30:35,013 --> 01:30:37,852
Speaker 2: the complexes of it have ended up with a fantastic

1958
01:30:37,933 --> 01:30:39,852
Speaker 2: human being. I can tell just by talking to you, Martton.

1959
01:30:39,933 --> 01:30:45,013
Speaker 2: So however it played out, has played out fantastically for

1960
01:30:45,093 --> 01:30:47,133
Speaker 2: the world that you were in it. So thank you

1961
01:30:47,133 --> 01:30:48,213
Speaker 2: so much for calling mate.

1962
01:30:48,652 --> 01:30:49,852
Speaker 4: Hey, thanks for having me on.

1963
01:30:50,013 --> 01:30:52,333
Speaker 3: Thank you what a great call. I eighte hundred eighty

1964
01:30:52,372 --> 01:30:56,412
Speaker 3: ten eighty. If you're adopted or you have adopted yourself,

1965
01:30:56,452 --> 01:30:57,972
Speaker 3: would love to hear your story. I eight one hundred

1966
01:30:58,013 --> 01:31:05,973
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighties. Number to call. It's twenty two past three.

1967
01:31:04,133 --> 01:31:07,772
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call Oh eight hundred eighty

1968
01:31:07,812 --> 01:31:09,452
Speaker 1: ten eighty on News Talks v.

1969
01:31:09,692 --> 01:31:12,372
Speaker 3: Twenty four past three. We've been talking about adoption. If

1970
01:31:12,412 --> 01:31:14,572
Speaker 3: you have adopted children, oh eight hundred and eighty ten

1971
01:31:14,612 --> 01:31:15,492
Speaker 3: eight years A number to call.

1972
01:31:15,652 --> 01:31:17,652
Speaker 2: This is an interesting one. The six is smart move

1973
01:31:17,692 --> 01:31:20,053
Speaker 2: by Jennifer Nison. She has done the research. I was

1974
01:31:20,093 --> 01:31:22,572
Speaker 2: adopted and have met both birth parents in my twenties.

1975
01:31:22,652 --> 01:31:25,253
Speaker 2: Very grateful to the parents who brought me up, and

1976
01:31:25,333 --> 01:31:27,372
Speaker 2: they were Mum and dad. But there is no replacement

1977
01:31:27,372 --> 01:31:30,812
Speaker 2: for genetics. It's so important to feel normal around your genetics.

1978
01:31:30,812 --> 01:31:33,412
Speaker 2: The adoption process is cruel to the birth child, who

1979
01:31:33,492 --> 01:31:36,772
Speaker 2: has no rights to their genetics. Ever true that it's interesting.

1980
01:31:36,853 --> 01:31:40,972
Speaker 2: I guys, are my wife myself have got two adopted children.

1981
01:31:41,013 --> 01:31:43,253
Speaker 2: One is fifteen and the other is eight. Now, before

1982
01:31:43,253 --> 01:31:45,812
Speaker 2: we adopted these two, I had the same thought process.

1983
01:31:45,853 --> 01:31:48,133
Speaker 2: I wanted my own children. I could truly say that

1984
01:31:48,173 --> 01:31:50,532
Speaker 2: these two kids that are mine mean more to me

1985
01:31:50,732 --> 01:31:53,612
Speaker 2: than that I breeve. I love them more to me

1986
01:31:53,812 --> 01:31:55,652
Speaker 2: than the air that I breave. I love them more

1987
01:31:55,652 --> 01:31:57,892
Speaker 2: than anything else in the world. Have a great day,

1988
01:31:57,933 --> 01:32:02,612
Speaker 2: Oh mate, that is beautiful. So yeah, yeah, it's the

1989
01:32:02,652 --> 01:32:04,892
Speaker 2: genetic part of it, the DNA part of it not

1990
01:32:04,973 --> 01:32:07,652
Speaker 2: important to that text at Craig, you've adopted three children.

1991
01:32:08,973 --> 01:32:12,852
Speaker 21: I surely have. I just said, listening to Tyler say

1992
01:32:12,893 --> 01:32:15,532
Speaker 21: that about the part of the DNA sort of thing,

1993
01:32:16,213 --> 01:32:18,692
Speaker 21: Just like that other Texas sent. As soon as you

1994
01:32:18,732 --> 01:32:23,213
Speaker 21: get these these children, they are yours and they start

1995
01:32:23,253 --> 01:32:27,652
Speaker 21: becoming you, they start, you know, looking on your tracks

1996
01:32:27,692 --> 01:32:31,772
Speaker 21: and stuff like that. But that's definitely your children. They

1997
01:32:32,173 --> 01:32:36,372
Speaker 21: regardless of the DNA, they are you. And to be

1998
01:32:36,372 --> 01:32:38,972
Speaker 21: honest with you, I think I probably would love them

1999
01:32:39,013 --> 01:32:41,972
Speaker 21: more than my own children. So I could have children.

2000
01:32:42,732 --> 01:32:44,412
Speaker 21: We had seven years of vive the year and we

2001
01:32:44,412 --> 01:32:48,412
Speaker 21: couldn't have children, so we went through the fostering process

2002
01:32:48,452 --> 01:32:49,892
Speaker 21: and have adopted three children.

2003
01:32:50,732 --> 01:32:53,892
Speaker 2: That's that's interestingly adopted three children. Was that a number

2004
01:32:53,893 --> 01:32:56,853
Speaker 2: that you always wanted three children as a family.

2005
01:32:58,652 --> 01:33:02,692
Speaker 21: Went for one. So through the fostering system, these children

2006
01:33:02,692 --> 01:33:04,972
Speaker 21: are for what they used to call home for life.

2007
01:33:05,812 --> 01:33:09,732
Speaker 21: So that I've come from an abused family. Okay, Mum

2008
01:33:09,772 --> 01:33:12,772
Speaker 21: had two children, so we adopted our son at five

2009
01:33:13,053 --> 01:33:17,532
Speaker 21: and our daughter at eighteen eighteen months sorry birth mum

2010
01:33:17,853 --> 01:33:20,333
Speaker 21: at that stage was pregnant again. It was supposed to

2011
01:33:20,372 --> 01:33:25,692
Speaker 21: be immediate uplift because of the person drugs. It wasn't

2012
01:33:26,253 --> 01:33:30,572
Speaker 21: because one of the drawing people the kids together. We

2013
01:33:30,652 --> 01:33:36,812
Speaker 21: fought for ten months. So when we got the third child,

2014
01:33:37,612 --> 01:33:39,613
Speaker 21: she was ten months old.

2015
01:33:40,173 --> 01:33:42,372
Speaker 2: Right, So just so I understand that, so all three

2016
01:33:42,412 --> 01:33:46,372
Speaker 2: of your children are this from the same biological mother,

2017
01:33:46,412 --> 01:33:47,412
Speaker 2: if I got that right.

2018
01:33:48,452 --> 01:33:51,012
Speaker 21: Correct, So one birth mum, but we have no idea

2019
01:33:51,053 --> 01:33:52,412
Speaker 21: how the birthdads are.

2020
01:33:52,893 --> 01:33:55,333
Speaker 3: So when you started fostering, was that part of the

2021
01:33:55,372 --> 01:33:59,133
Speaker 3: adoption process or you've started the fostering and then fell

2022
01:33:59,173 --> 01:34:00,813
Speaker 3: in love with these kids.

2023
01:34:01,732 --> 01:34:05,492
Speaker 21: So we did so to foot fosterring. You've got us

2024
01:34:05,532 --> 01:34:07,972
Speaker 21: sorry to adoption. You've got to do a year process

2025
01:34:08,093 --> 01:34:11,372
Speaker 21: to be accepted to be a to adopt child. Through

2026
01:34:11,412 --> 01:34:14,853
Speaker 21: that process because there's no real adoptions in New Zealand anymore.

2027
01:34:15,452 --> 01:34:19,932
Speaker 21: We came across the home for life situation, so we

2028
01:34:19,973 --> 01:34:22,293
Speaker 21: did another year of courses and stuff like that to

2029
01:34:22,253 --> 01:34:26,012
Speaker 21: be able to go into a pool, to be able

2030
01:34:26,013 --> 01:34:30,372
Speaker 21: to see if there was any children. Yeah, but it's

2031
01:34:30,412 --> 01:34:33,532
Speaker 21: just because there are no adoptions out there. We looked

2032
01:34:33,532 --> 01:34:37,652
Speaker 21: at these Basically, I think there's roughly about one hundred

2033
01:34:37,652 --> 01:34:39,772
Speaker 21: and twenty eight kids in Auckland alone looking for a

2034
01:34:39,893 --> 01:34:43,932
Speaker 21: penment sort of fostering situations. So we looked at that.

2035
01:34:44,133 --> 01:34:48,213
Speaker 21: And then when we went and to a meeting about

2036
01:34:48,412 --> 01:34:52,612
Speaker 21: the two children that were sort of sort of put

2037
01:34:52,652 --> 01:34:56,213
Speaker 21: towards us, I just couldn't believe how the way that

2038
01:34:56,253 --> 01:34:59,732
Speaker 21: people spoke about these children. That when I walked in there,

2039
01:34:59,732 --> 01:35:01,652
Speaker 21: and I was like, I was really scared because they

2040
01:35:01,652 --> 01:35:04,572
Speaker 21: were from abuse, they were from drug addiction and stuff

2041
01:35:04,612 --> 01:35:07,013
Speaker 21: like that. But I walked out and me and my

2042
01:35:07,053 --> 01:35:09,213
Speaker 21: wife looked at each other and I just said to her,

2043
01:35:09,372 --> 01:35:14,213
Speaker 21: I don't care what we have to do. Sorry, We're

2044
01:35:14,213 --> 01:35:16,412
Speaker 21: going to these children and we're going to love them,

2045
01:35:16,412 --> 01:35:19,133
Speaker 21: because I just couldn't believe how people.

2046
01:35:18,853 --> 01:35:19,692
Speaker 5: Spoke about them.

2047
01:35:20,133 --> 01:35:22,412
Speaker 21: It was just like no, and to be honest, with

2048
01:35:22,572 --> 01:35:27,972
Speaker 21: a loving environment, these kids have flourished, they're great.

2049
01:35:28,333 --> 01:35:31,653
Speaker 2: Well, good on you guys. That's that's that's that's really beautiful.

2050
01:35:31,973 --> 01:35:34,293
Speaker 2: Do you at what point do they know? Did they did?

2051
01:35:34,612 --> 01:35:36,732
Speaker 2: Did you tell them that they were I guess the

2052
01:35:36,732 --> 01:35:39,333
Speaker 2: five year old would would would have had a certain

2053
01:35:39,372 --> 01:35:42,053
Speaker 2: amount of information. You know, how much information have you

2054
01:35:42,053 --> 01:35:42,732
Speaker 2: given the kids?

2055
01:35:44,492 --> 01:35:49,612
Speaker 21: So our eldest boy he knows everything, so he knows

2056
01:35:49,692 --> 01:35:53,412
Speaker 21: all the abuse that he went through. Our middle daughter

2057
01:35:53,612 --> 01:35:57,173
Speaker 21: when she was eighteen months, she had an understanding, but

2058
01:35:57,253 --> 01:36:01,213
Speaker 21: through cases they both know and our youngest has no idea.

2059
01:36:01,452 --> 01:36:03,732
Speaker 21: So they know, so this is can we do it?

2060
01:36:03,772 --> 01:36:05,692
Speaker 21: So they know that they've got a birth month, so

2061
01:36:05,812 --> 01:36:09,732
Speaker 21: a tony month, but they know that their mum is

2062
01:36:09,772 --> 01:36:11,612
Speaker 21: their heart mum.

2063
01:36:11,652 --> 01:36:15,173
Speaker 2: It's an incredible is there what mum sor aren't they.

2064
01:36:14,973 --> 01:36:18,092
Speaker 21: Their heart mum? Because they didn't come from her, Tommy,

2065
01:36:17,973 --> 01:36:19,293
Speaker 21: they come from her heart?

2066
01:36:19,412 --> 01:36:23,053
Speaker 2: Oh right, nice? And do you think you know? I mean,

2067
01:36:23,253 --> 01:36:27,572
Speaker 2: this is down the track. But well, what would the

2068
01:36:27,652 --> 01:36:29,652
Speaker 2: kids be able to would it be possible for them

2069
01:36:29,692 --> 01:36:32,012
Speaker 2: to find out who their father is? And such?

2070
01:36:34,013 --> 01:36:36,652
Speaker 21: We've done I think at last time seventeen they had

2071
01:36:36,853 --> 01:36:39,732
Speaker 21: being an a test for the dads. We still haven't found.

2072
01:36:40,612 --> 01:36:44,733
Speaker 21: As for the birth mum, we've always wanted to keep contact,

2073
01:36:44,812 --> 01:36:48,253
Speaker 21: but she's quite abusive right towards us and towards the children.

2074
01:36:49,053 --> 01:36:52,012
Speaker 21: So we've to the kids. So we've had eight years

2075
01:36:52,133 --> 01:36:55,333
Speaker 21: in and out of court, like the whole time, eight years,

2076
01:36:56,333 --> 01:37:00,412
Speaker 21: but we've left it up to our oldest son and

2077
01:37:00,652 --> 01:37:04,172
Speaker 21: he's we still want to keep contact, but he doesn't

2078
01:37:04,173 --> 01:37:07,452
Speaker 21: want anything to do with there. But again, like everyone

2079
01:37:07,452 --> 01:37:10,053
Speaker 21: else is saying, we want to still have some sort

2080
01:37:10,093 --> 01:37:14,293
Speaker 21: of contact there just in case in the future they

2081
01:37:14,412 --> 01:37:17,852
Speaker 21: want to meet their mom for whatever reason. We're not

2082
01:37:17,933 --> 01:37:20,612
Speaker 21: sort of obviously hiding that fact. But because of the

2083
01:37:20,652 --> 01:37:23,932
Speaker 21: abuse that our sons had, no, he is not interested

2084
01:37:24,053 --> 01:37:24,372
Speaker 21: at all.

2085
01:37:24,893 --> 01:37:27,812
Speaker 2: So you've got the and understandably so. And so you've

2086
01:37:27,812 --> 01:37:30,732
Speaker 2: got the three kids and so the one mom. But

2087
01:37:30,853 --> 01:37:35,333
Speaker 2: is that three different dads? You don't know, there's.

2088
01:37:35,093 --> 01:37:37,892
Speaker 21: Definitely two different dads. We think the oldest and youngest

2089
01:37:37,933 --> 01:37:40,412
Speaker 21: are from the same dad, just because of the characteristics

2090
01:37:40,452 --> 01:37:41,132
Speaker 21: of how they.

2091
01:37:40,973 --> 01:37:46,772
Speaker 2: Look right right and does the And its kind of

2092
01:37:46,772 --> 01:37:53,212
Speaker 2: a complicated questions as the mother had any more children,

2093
01:37:53,372 --> 01:37:57,972
Speaker 2: because you know she's had more she has, right yea,

2094
01:37:58,652 --> 01:37:59,692
Speaker 2: our goodness.

2095
01:37:59,492 --> 01:38:02,133
Speaker 21: So she's actually she's actually got an older son. He

2096
01:38:02,213 --> 01:38:07,372
Speaker 21: would be sixteen seventeen. He's in the gangs. There is

2097
01:38:07,572 --> 01:38:11,173
Speaker 21: a younger baby, I think she would be about four now,

2098
01:38:12,333 --> 01:38:15,613
Speaker 21: but I think she's been uplifted as well.

2099
01:38:15,692 --> 01:38:18,652
Speaker 3: Right wow, well, thank god, I mean, thank god for

2100
01:38:18,692 --> 01:38:22,612
Speaker 3: people like you, Craig Is. Clearly you know you you've

2101
01:38:22,652 --> 01:38:25,293
Speaker 3: got something in you that you're always destined to be

2102
01:38:25,333 --> 01:38:27,452
Speaker 3: a wonderful parent, and clearly you are. And for those

2103
01:38:27,532 --> 01:38:29,892
Speaker 3: kids as well. I mean, it's an incredible thing you

2104
01:38:29,893 --> 01:38:33,892
Speaker 3: guys have done. And clearly, as you said before, the

2105
01:38:33,973 --> 01:38:36,053
Speaker 3: children of yours, no matter the DNA, they are, your

2106
01:38:36,133 --> 01:38:37,972
Speaker 3: kids can I.

2107
01:38:37,933 --> 01:38:41,253
Speaker 21: Just quickly just really just quickly check out anyone who's

2108
01:38:41,253 --> 01:38:44,293
Speaker 21: out there in Auckland or in New Zealand looking to

2109
01:38:44,372 --> 01:38:48,772
Speaker 21: adopt because there are no adoptions anymore. Please please please

2110
01:38:48,812 --> 01:38:51,452
Speaker 21: go and have a look at postering children because there's

2111
01:38:51,572 --> 01:38:55,133
Speaker 21: far too many of them floating in the system that

2112
01:38:55,213 --> 01:38:57,772
Speaker 21: when then eighteen, they just get kicked down and they

2113
01:38:57,772 --> 01:39:01,333
Speaker 21: don't have anything. So if anyone who's looking to adopt

2114
01:39:01,612 --> 01:39:05,372
Speaker 21: or to sort of look after children, please please just got.

2115
01:39:05,732 --> 01:39:08,652
Speaker 2: To where would someone go? Whe would someone stay that

2116
01:39:09,612 --> 01:39:13,133
Speaker 2: investigation into that possibility, Craig, So.

2117
01:39:13,213 --> 01:39:17,972
Speaker 21: Okay Otama, Ricky. They're the ones that look after basically

2118
01:39:18,013 --> 01:39:21,452
Speaker 21: both adoption and the fostering. As I said, there is

2119
01:39:21,692 --> 01:39:24,012
Speaker 21: roughly around one hundred and thirty when we were looking

2120
01:39:24,013 --> 01:39:26,492
Speaker 21: at it, that was eight years ago. Kids in the

2121
01:39:26,532 --> 01:39:29,133
Speaker 21: system that are looking for sort of a penman of time,

2122
01:39:30,213 --> 01:39:33,893
Speaker 21: and yeah, they just get bounced around in the system.

2123
01:39:34,293 --> 01:39:36,012
Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for calling today, Craig.

2124
01:39:36,093 --> 01:39:38,012
Speaker 3: Yeah, what a great man you are. Thank you very much.

2125
01:39:38,093 --> 01:39:39,093
Speaker 2: What a grand New Zealander you are.

2126
01:39:39,253 --> 01:39:41,412
Speaker 3: Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is number to call.

2127
01:39:41,492 --> 01:39:43,612
Speaker 3: I'd love to hear your adoption story, whether you were

2128
01:39:43,652 --> 01:39:47,253
Speaker 3: adopted yourself or your adopted children. It is twenty eight

2129
01:39:47,293 --> 01:39:47,732
Speaker 3: to four.

2130
01:39:48,532 --> 01:39:51,932
Speaker 2: Things can be so complicated, can't. They certainly can very

2131
01:39:52,053 --> 01:39:55,652
Speaker 2: very complicated things that sent out. But you know, yeah, Craig,

2132
01:39:55,692 --> 01:39:56,253
Speaker 2: what a great man.

2133
01:39:56,372 --> 01:40:02,333
Speaker 1: Yeah you talk sai'd be headlines with blue bubble taxis.

2134
01:40:02,532 --> 01:40:06,093
Speaker 16: It's no trouble with a blue bubble. The Nurses Organization

2135
01:40:06,213 --> 01:40:10,213
Speaker 16: says aged care is in Chris and elderly people are

2136
01:40:10,333 --> 01:40:15,493
Speaker 16: dying because of understaffing and underfunding. The Education Minister acknowledges

2137
01:40:15,572 --> 01:40:19,692
Speaker 16: primary school maths achievement could improve with an ERO report

2138
01:40:20,013 --> 01:40:25,132
Speaker 16: showing teacher confidence is lacking for complex maths. US speaker

2139
01:40:25,372 --> 01:40:28,693
Speaker 16: Candor's Owen's has lost her legal appeal to enter Australia

2140
01:40:28,973 --> 01:40:33,012
Speaker 16: after being rejected over fear she'd incite discord. She's known

2141
01:40:33,093 --> 01:40:37,892
Speaker 16: for questioning the Holocaust, criticizing feminism, Black Lives Matter, and

2142
01:40:38,013 --> 01:40:41,813
Speaker 16: trans people O when still plans a trip here in January.

2143
01:40:42,772 --> 01:40:47,773
Speaker 16: A just elected Central Otago councilor has resigned, blaming misinformation

2144
01:40:47,933 --> 01:40:52,492
Speaker 16: and hatred after claims on social media of past financial misconduct.

2145
01:40:53,412 --> 01:40:56,972
Speaker 16: The Police Association has elected former vice president Steve Watt

2146
01:40:57,173 --> 01:41:00,293
Speaker 16: to replace President Chris Carhill, who stepped down after a

2147
01:41:00,412 --> 01:41:06,812
Speaker 16: nine year term. Restaurant brand's largest shareholder launches official takeover offer.

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Speaker 16: You can find out more at en he All Premium.

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Speaker 16: Back to Matt Eathan Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Raylyan. We're talking about adoption after

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Speaker 3: an interview Jennifer Anderston recently did where she revealed that

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Speaker 3: she chose not to adopt because she wanted her children

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Speaker 3: to share her DNA.

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Speaker 2: Hi, we adopted the two children and then had one

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Speaker 2: of our own. No difference at all between our love

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Speaker 2: for them, adore them all, nice, deary and other six says.

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Speaker 2: I went for a foundation that supports mothers that are

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Speaker 2: looking to adopt their children for various reasons, cultural shame, religion,

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Speaker 2: et cetera. I witnessed beautiful adoptions. The first moment adoptive

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Speaker 2: parents meet their baby, it's an emotional time for all

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Speaker 2: those involved. They love their baby regardless of DNA. I

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Speaker 2: cared for a child for eleven years. We don't share

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Speaker 2: a bloodline. We share a love line that exists simply

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Speaker 2: because of our love. That's good. This text to David

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Speaker 2: said that I was adopted and have no interest in DNA.

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Speaker 2: I was chosen seventy years ago. Oh that's nice, beautiful, Tony.

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Speaker 2: You've got an interesting situation.

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Speaker 20: Yes, I think, so it's about your nique throat. So

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Speaker 20: my my birth mother died in a car accident when

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Speaker 20: I was six months old, and my birth father was

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Speaker 20: not on the scene, and her twin sister ended up

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Speaker 20: adopting me.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 20: Right, So I was able to keep half of my

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Speaker 20: family identity, I guess she could say. And for that,

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Speaker 20: I'm forever grateful because I know my uncles and my

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Speaker 20: aunties and my cousins on my maternal side of the family.

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Speaker 20: I feel like I'm privileged to say that I have

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Speaker 20: two mums. Yeah I don't obviously, I don't remember my

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Speaker 20: birth mum, but I have a she's a has a

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Speaker 20: very special place for me in my heart and my

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Speaker 20: adopted mom. She I think it was something that was

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Speaker 20: meant to be because she had a bad heart. She'd

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Speaker 20: had her valves replaced in her heart at about nineteen,

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Speaker 20: and she couldn't have children. It was it was strongly

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Speaker 20: suggested that she didn't, so she took me on to

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Speaker 20: look after me because there wasn't really anyone else to

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Speaker 20: step up. So this is when she was probably girl

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Speaker 20: twenty one, and her situation was that about twenty four

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Speaker 20: days after my birth mum died, her mom, my nana

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Speaker 20: passed away as well. Wow, leaving my adopted mum with

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Speaker 20: me as a six month old and a younger brother

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Speaker 20: at about fourteen or fifteen. So I said, sake gone

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Speaker 20: and look after.

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Speaker 2: So you're your younger your younger brother from your your

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Speaker 2: mom who passed away.

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Speaker 20: No yet, No, my my nana passed away. So my

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Speaker 20: mom's mom died and my mum, so my uncle, who

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Speaker 20: was fifteen at the time, she had me and my

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Speaker 20: younger brother and her younger brother to look after.

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Speaker 2: So did you see that was your uncle kind of

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Speaker 2: brought up as your brother in that case.

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Speaker 20: No, he was a bit of a rat bag and

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Speaker 20: he ended up getting shipped off towards he to live

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Speaker 20: with one of my other uncles.

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Speaker 2: Right complicated.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, So I was brought up as an only child,

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Speaker 20: and just recently, I know, in my twenties, I met

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Speaker 20: my biological father. I don't have anything to do with

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Speaker 20: him anymore. I don't have a lot of time for him.

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Speaker 20: I'll just leave that there and it's just for in

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Speaker 20: the last was about eighteen months if she ago, I

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Speaker 20: found out through ancestry DNA that I did actually have

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Speaker 20: a brother. Was about eighteen months younger than me. So

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Speaker 20: my biological father had had a thing with a one

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Speaker 20: night stand with somebody, and I had a younger brother.

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Speaker 20: Fortunately I didn't get to meet him because he died

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Speaker 20: about nineteen years ago. And just we as a brother,

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Speaker 20: and like the two of us moved in the same circles.

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Speaker 20: We ended up going to the same high school. He

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Speaker 20: lived up in. This is basically the same street as me.

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Speaker 20: When he died. He played league with my so with

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Speaker 20: one of my cousins. Wow, and as a young child.

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Speaker 20: So I believe I probably met him at some point

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Speaker 20: as a kid, but I never got to meet him.

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Speaker 20: But now I have a niece and a nephew that

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Speaker 20: are in their twenties and a sister in law that

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Speaker 20: you know, I didn't know that I had.

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Speaker 2: Got a relationship with them.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, we're starting to sort of build a little bit

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Speaker 20: of a relationship.

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Speaker 2: It well complicated, and that your mom, it must have

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Speaker 2: been And I mean, how do I put this? That

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Speaker 2: you must have been a fantastic connection for your mom

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Speaker 2: with her twin sister that that passed away.

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Speaker 20: I think so, I mean I think her and I

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Speaker 20: had quite a special connection. She was Yeah, I found it.

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Speaker 20: I think my parents, my mum and my parents told

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Speaker 20: me when I was I think I was about seven,

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Speaker 20: maybe six seven, that I was adopted because they felt

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Speaker 20: that I was going to pack up on something, because

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Speaker 20: being that it was such a tragic way that my

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01:46:53,372 --> 01:46:56,972
Speaker 20: birth mum went, everyone that knew her and if they

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Speaker 20: saw me that, oh, she looks just like her mom

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Speaker 20: kind of thing, or she looks like like her dad

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Speaker 20: and she. I guess they thought at some point I

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Speaker 20: was going to go, I don't look like either of you,

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Speaker 20: So what's going on? And it took me a while

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Speaker 20: to I guess fully comprehend. I guess the dynamics of

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Speaker 20: how it all worked and how it fitted in.

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Speaker 3: Were they were they identical twins?

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Speaker 20: No, they weren't.

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Speaker 2: Well they would have been interesting. It's really interesting concept

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Speaker 2: that one.

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Speaker 20: Yeah. Yeah, but I've gone on through my second mum.

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Speaker 20: She passed away in twenty fourteen, and six months after that,

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Speaker 20: I unexpected. They felt pregnant and I now have twin boys.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, beautiful.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, So it almost feels like they had to leave.

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Speaker 20: They both had to go before I got my chose.

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Speaker 20: So I don't know, it's just yeah, all connections.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so much bringing up and sharing all that incredible

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Speaker 2: story and man, your family has been through a lot,

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Speaker 2: but the strength that I mean your adopted mum and

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Speaker 2: you have shown incredible complex situations that exist out there

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Speaker 2: in families. It just always amazing me how how everything

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Speaker 2: can work.

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Speaker 3: Out, puts things in perspective, as they say, seventeen to

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Speaker 3: four back in a month.

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Speaker 1: The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun

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Speaker 1: along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons news

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Speaker 1: talks'd be.

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Speaker 3: Very good afternoons you we're talking about adoptions. Jennifer Anderson

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Speaker 3: recently said in an interview that she didn't want to

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Speaker 3: adopt because the child wouldn't have her DNA. But if

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Speaker 3: you've been adopted or you have adopted a child, love

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Speaker 3: to hear from you.

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Speaker 2: Hey, what are the current ry that's just trying to

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Speaker 2: get to the bottom of it, because call of before

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Speaker 2: saying that you can't really adopt kids in the same

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Speaker 2: way as you used to. Yeah, so what does that mean?

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Speaker 2: What are the adoption laws in New Zealand rules anymore?

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Speaker 3: I tried to have a little research, but it looks

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Speaker 3: pretty complicated if you've gone through it recently. Love to

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Speaker 3: hear from your send us a text.

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Speaker 2: After many years of IVF, we were lucky enough to adopt.

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Speaker 2: Love him to death. Some days I don't like him though.

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Speaker 2: We're also lucky and have a foster grandson who lives

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Speaker 2: with us. That's from Pippa.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's a lovely Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes the people you don't like the people you love

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Speaker 2: the most. Yep, true, it can happen, Simone, Welcome to

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Speaker 2: the show.

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Speaker 8: Hello, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, so mystre is a little bit different, unlike the

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Speaker 14: majority of your poor visit this afternoon. I wasn't given

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Speaker 14: up for adoption, and I haven't adopted anyone. What happened

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Speaker 14: was I gave my son up for adoption about twenty

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Speaker 14: sixty years ago. Now, So my story is, Yeah, I

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01:49:35,452 --> 01:49:38,932
Speaker 14: was brought up in a really conservative environment and started

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Speaker 14: dating the son of a prominent religious leader and they

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Speaker 14: were quite big in our community and a one time

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Speaker 14: event and that was very when. I won't get into

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Speaker 14: any the details resulted in quite like a commotion where

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Speaker 14: I was living. It was quite a big thing, really,

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Speaker 14: and I was pretty much forced to give my son

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Speaker 14: up for adoption. It was a difficult decision, obviously, and

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Speaker 14: I did struggle with it quite a lot. But the

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Speaker 14: very day that I have oh you know, I was

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Speaker 14: sent to another country actually sot home for unwed mothers

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Speaker 14: to start the proceedings. And I had a difficult time there.

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Speaker 14: And a friend, or rather a sister of some very

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Speaker 14: good friends of my family in the country that I'm from,

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Speaker 14: which is Namibia. I was in South Africa at this time.

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Speaker 14: They heard about that hard time I was having and

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Speaker 14: they were like, oh, why don't you going today with

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Speaker 14: my sister, Helena. So I did, and she was going

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Speaker 14: through the force of parents that I'd want for my child.

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Speaker 14: And I said, Helena, honestly, your sister and her husband

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Speaker 14: are the most incredible parents because they had two children

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Speaker 14: of their own and I've never seen such incredible They

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Speaker 14: were such a strong family unit. And I said, for

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Speaker 14: all the parents that I'm going to be interviewing, you know,

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Speaker 14: they on my yard stack. A two hours later they

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Speaker 14: called me and they're like, one all we wanted is

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Speaker 14: your child, but we didn't want to broach the subject.

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Speaker 14: Long story short, I left the country, went back home

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Speaker 14: and Yeahanna Fulsha, she is the lady who adopted my son.

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Speaker 14: She was with me during the labor and we had

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Speaker 14: an open adoption, so I got to spend as much

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Speaker 14: time as I could with my son and it was

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Speaker 14: really quite amazing. But the very night that I went

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Speaker 14: in for my sazari in section, because that's what happened eventually,

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Speaker 14: because my son was going to be given up for adoption,

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Speaker 14: he wasn't allowed to be with me afterwards in my

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Speaker 14: little bassinette, you know, or me the baby would be

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Speaker 14: next to the month and the only other person in

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Speaker 14: the hospital for a newborn baby because I hadn't get

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01:51:44,772 --> 01:51:49,053
Speaker 14: signed the documents, was in the neonatal ward. So he

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Speaker 14: went to the neonatal ward, and obviously hospital policy dictated

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Speaker 14: that all babies there needed to be hooked up to

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Speaker 14: you know, heart monitors and such. And in the middle

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Speaker 14: of the night all the alarms went or all the

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01:52:01,933 --> 01:52:06,692
Speaker 14: bells were ringing, and he was actually airlifted to South

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Speaker 14: Africa to the Chris Barner at the hospital for a

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Speaker 14: very first of many heart operations. So it turns out

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Speaker 14: he was diagnosed with a very rare congenial heart disorder

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Speaker 14: called tricuspda treasia. And I think at that time they

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Speaker 14: were only to eat people known yeah with his condition.

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Speaker 14: It was a bit more complicated than you in Mass

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Speaker 14: and the whole thing was And I remember speaking to

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Speaker 14: Diana afterwards and she said, to meet some mane. If

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Speaker 14: you hadn't given your son up for adoption, he would

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Speaker 14: have died in the basinet next to you that night.

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Speaker 7: Wow.

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Speaker 14: And if for some reason, you know, he didn't. So

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Speaker 14: unlike New Zealand where I come from, there is no

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Speaker 14: sort of social services, There is no you know, if

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01:52:51,732 --> 01:52:55,253
Speaker 14: you don't work, you don't get money, and if you

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Speaker 14: can't afford any medical facilities, then you just don't get any.

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Speaker 14: So I would never have been able to, in my position,

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Speaker 14: afford all the operations that he'd had to go through.

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Speaker 14: Whereas the family that did adoptor and had medical aid

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Speaker 14: and all of that. Wow, that was actually quite amazing relationship.

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Speaker 2: That must complicated because you could look back and you

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Speaker 2: would be I mean, I can imagine a certain amount

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Speaker 2: of resentment to the situation you were in and the

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Speaker 2: you know that that forced you into this adoption. But

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Speaker 2: at the same time, then on the other side of it,

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Speaker 2: you go it all worked out in a way that

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Speaker 2: it wouldn't have for your son to get that service.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, as I say again, I'll be saying all

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Speaker 2: this hour a complex So in your your relationship with

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Speaker 2: your son. Now.

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Speaker 14: So my son, his name was Benjamin, So he passed

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Speaker 14: away two years ago. So, like I said, he went

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Speaker 14: for lots and lots of path operations and he was

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Speaker 14: on but I didn't think I would cry. He was

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Speaker 14: on the hard to transplant waiting list for about two years.

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Speaker 14: And if any I mean, if you know anything about

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Speaker 14: the situation, which I suppose not many people would. So

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Speaker 14: when your heart starts to fail, your body's incredible and

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Speaker 14: it creates something called collateral blood vessel, so it bypasses

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01:54:15,973 --> 01:54:19,372
Speaker 14: the heart and basically just gets you know, the heart,

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01:54:19,372 --> 01:54:23,372
Speaker 14: all the blood straight to the lungs. And when time

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Speaker 14: came for him to finally he got his heart, he

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01:54:27,452 --> 01:54:29,812
Speaker 14: was rushed through you know, I think it was two

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Speaker 14: o'clock in the morning for his thirteen hour half operation

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Speaker 14: and the transplant. He knew that he only had a

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Speaker 14: six percent chance to actually come up alive because there

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Speaker 14: had been so many of these new blood vessels that

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Speaker 14: had formed, and the surgeons didn't they didn't think that

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Speaker 14: they'd be able to cauterize each of them properly. And

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Speaker 14: that is actually what happens. They got the heart in place,

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Speaker 14: and then unfortunately, when his heart started pumping again, he

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01:54:55,453 --> 01:54:57,493
Speaker 14: bled out because there were some that they weren't able

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Speaker 14: to actually tie off, so he bled to death. But

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Speaker 14: I do want to say so I speak about them often.

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Speaker 14: I'm a teacher and interesting him though both of his

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Speaker 14: parents were it too, his adopted parents. And I was

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Speaker 14: even speaking about him today and I said to some

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01:55:13,093 --> 01:55:15,133
Speaker 14: of the children, I said, he is the most incredible

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Speaker 14: person I've ever known. He was afforded such incredible obviously

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Speaker 14: knowing that he wasn't going to be living for very long.

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Speaker 14: He lived his life to the very fullest. And his

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Speaker 14: parents just being abled that in a way that I've

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Speaker 14: never seen before. And I knew that they were incredible,

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Speaker 14: But yeah, I could never, honestly, I could never have

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Speaker 14: given him the life that he got.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you for sharing with us. I mean, an

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Speaker 3: incredible story, heartbreaking that you're an incredible person. Thank you

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Speaker 3: very much. It is six minutes to four.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Who the big stories, the big issues, the big trends

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Speaker 1: and everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons.

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Speaker 3: Used talk zed B News Talk zed B. It is

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Speaker 3: four to four.

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Speaker 2: Wow, it's Obama, but we're run out of time. So

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Speaker 2: many amazing stories coming through, incredible, our credible conversation. I

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Speaker 2: think we can safely say you can that DNA isn't

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Speaker 2: a deciding factor and how much you love your kids,

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Speaker 2: you could say that. And there are so many kids

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Speaker 2: that need to be fostered, So ring ot if that

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01:56:16,613 --> 01:56:19,092
Speaker 2: is something you might be able to do anyway, till tomorrow,

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Speaker 2: give them a taste of Kiwi from us. Thank you

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Speaker 2: so much for listening, Tyler. Why am I playing the song?

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Speaker 3: Oh but a super trend? Can I give a little

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Speaker 3: bit tell me.

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Speaker 2: Because we were talking about tipping on the first Oh yes,

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Speaker 2: a little bit, and also give a little bit of

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Speaker 2: your love to me. You go, Fats, all right, hit

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Speaker 2: us up next, See you tomorrow afternoon.

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