1 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:08,720 Speaker 1: Kyoda. I'm Susanne Ordquist in for Chelsea Daniels and this 2 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:11,960 Speaker 1: is the Front Page, a daily podcast presented by the 3 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 1: New Zealand Herald. The construction industry in New Zealand is struggling, 4 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: with building companies going to the wall as the housing 5 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 1: market falls away. It also has one of the highest 6 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: rates of workplace injuries of any industry. But there's another 7 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: workplace hazard that we're not talking about. Construction workers are 8 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:38,239 Speaker 1: six times more likely to die from suicide than from 9 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:41,919 Speaker 1: an accident at work, and last year that number climbed 10 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: to eighty suspected or confirmed suicides according to one report, 11 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: the highest number on record. Today on the Front Page, 12 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: we are joined by New Zealand Herald Property editor Anne 13 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: Gibson to talk what's going on in the sector and 14 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: how severe the mental health issue is. And these figures 15 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 1: make for pretty grim reading. What do you make of them? 16 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 2: Well, it's an utter and real tragedy. This is the 17 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 2: highest number on record from data which dates back seventeen years, 18 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 2: according to Mates, which is an organization to prevent such deaths. 19 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 2: So this week we have World Suicide Prevention Day and 20 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 2: the cases can take up to five years to be 21 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 2: confirmed by coronial services, so at the stage some of 22 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 2: those eighty remain suspected and are yet to be confirmed 23 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 2: as suicide. 24 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: The data came via Mates in Construction, as you said, 25 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: which aims to reduce the number of lives lost to suicide. 26 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,639 Speaker 1: Why are so many people choosing to end their lives 27 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: in construction this well? 28 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 2: Mates cited some of the stresses in the sector, and 29 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 2: they talked about lack of sleep. They mentioned a minimal 30 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 2: self care time, very high job demands, long hours, and 31 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 2: very tight time frames on builds, so often the workforce 32 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 2: is under pressure to complete jobs. And the specific mental 33 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 2: health vulnerabilities that they noted were particularly amongst the age 34 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 2: group fifteen to twenty four years of age, and they 35 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 2: talked about this going across all groups, including the migrant workers, 36 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 2: the blue collar and the white collar workers. They talked 37 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 2: about financial instability and poor communication and a site culture 38 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 2: of old school masculinity. And they also mentioned job and 39 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 2: security and particularly insufficient mental health support. 40 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 3: And I didn't know where to get support. I'm a male, 41 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 3: and the best of times, males don't like to talk 42 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 3: about the emotions. If I'm able to be standing in 43 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 3: front of a whole bunch of tough construction workers and 44 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 3: be at a vulnerable state. And if somebody out there 45 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 3: in the audience is struggling there in a dark place, 46 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 3: my narrative helps them to reach out and find support. 47 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:11,399 Speaker 3: And I'm okay with today. 48 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 1: And within those figures are a number of people who 49 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: needed time off because they self harmed as well. Can 50 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: you tell us a bit about that? 51 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 4: He's well. 52 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 2: I went to Dr Chris Bowden, he's a lecturer at 53 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 2: Victoria University and he is also the academic director of 54 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 2: the Mates organization, and he said there was suicidal and 55 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 2: non suicidal self harm. He put it into two categories, 56 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 2: and she told me this involves injuries and behaviors, usually 57 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 2: where the person hurts themselves deliberately, and it's often a 58 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 2: coping strategy, he said, where they they feel they're overwhelmed. 59 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 2: So the link between self harm and suicide is when 60 00:03:55,360 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 2: people are suicidal, but sometimes they also engage and self harm. 61 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 2: And I asked him what did he mean by that, 62 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 2: and he mentioned examples of cutting, burning, and punching a wall. 63 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: So clearly a big problem here, and the figures have 64 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: actually doubled in the last four years. That's during a 65 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: pretty challenging time for the sector, as the stresses of COVID, lockdown, 66 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 1: inflation and how that's contributed to canceled work added to 67 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:22,679 Speaker 1: stress for workers. 68 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 2: Well. Dr Balden said to me that these were all 69 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 2: quite influential factors in terms of the increasing numbers, and 70 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 2: he cited COVID and lockdown and also said that most 71 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 2: construction work stopped during the pandemic was only essential work 72 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 2: that could continue, and that led to instability and financial 73 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 2: insecurity for a lot of people in the workforce. And 74 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 2: he said to me that some workers didn't have guaranteed 75 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 2: income and despite the fact that the government paid out 76 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 2: I think about fourteen billion dollars in the wage subsidy 77 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 2: for employers, he said there were a lot of people 78 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 2: who work in construction who only actually get paid for 79 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 2: the hours worked. So he said there was a lot 80 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 2: of distress in the lower paid laboring workforce. And he 81 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 2: said these were people who are not on salaries. And 82 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 2: I remember a particularly shocking event I think earlier last 83 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 2: year when there were deaths on a building site on 84 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 2: the Auckland waterfront on one Queen Street, and I think 85 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 2: three people died there. There was a real tragedy with 86 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 2: mutter Reed who was only twenty four and he entered 87 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 2: that site with a gun. So it shows what can 88 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:40,799 Speaker 2: happen on construction sites. 89 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 4: Post Mortems on the bodies of three people who died 90 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 4: in the Auckland CBD shooting yesterday will be completed in 91 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 4: a matter of days. However, we can tell you that 92 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 4: both victims were construction workers in their forties. It's being 93 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 4: reported the twenty four year old Shudent Mature was a 94 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:03,359 Speaker 4: distraddled employee. You've been sacked the day before. 95 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 1: You touched on the financial instability or communication, low pay, 96 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: job in security, and insufficient mental health support. How is 97 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 1: the industry responding to those issues? 98 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 2: Well, Chris Bowden said, you've got a mix of generations 99 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 2: on different sites, often a lot of people on the sites. 100 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 2: And he talked about an old school culture, which he 101 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 2: said still actually exists. And he said, you've got the 102 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 2: old school often men, he said, with younger women and 103 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 2: younger men and also non binary. And he said, you know, 104 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 2: this younger age group is pushing back against you know, 105 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 2: the very different attitudes that have existed in the construction 106 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 2: workplace over the years. And he said young people have 107 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 2: very different views and perspectives on what masculinity is. So 108 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 2: he sees quite a change occurring on the site, but 109 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 2: also quite a sort of a deep seated, embedded know 110 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 2: older group who have a different view of the world 111 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 2: themselves and perhaps the people they work with as well. 112 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 2: How do you fix that problem then, well, he said 113 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 2: that this is changing. He said that with the arrival 114 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 2: of more women on sites, and with the arrival of 115 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 2: younger people, they have different attitudes and they will eventually, 116 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 2: you know, outnumber the older people. And I think you 117 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 2: know that MATES sees a lot of hope with the 118 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 2: work that they are doing, the siticide prevention, all the 119 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 2: information that they're getting through to the workforce. 120 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: There are concerns about low pay too. Is that an 121 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: easy fix in this current market? 122 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 2: Well, he said not at all. He said that low 123 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 2: pay and the lack of security around the jobs mean 124 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 2: that people can sometimes feel that they're in a very 125 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 2: un stable environment on a building site. And he said 126 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 2: he actually quade an example to me of people who 127 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 2: will be working two jobs in the one day. So 128 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 2: in the daytime, they'll be you know, working on the 129 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 2: building site and at night, he said, they'll be working 130 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 2: as Zuba drivers and he said they're just exhausted. But 131 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 2: one really sad thing about that is they have no 132 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 2: time for their families and then last of all, they 133 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 2: have no time for themselves. 134 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 5: Well, what made and constructions all about is trying to 135 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 5: get people to speak up, especially for our specific Islanders 136 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 5: and Maori. You know, when we're growing up not knowing 137 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 5: how to tell you on our emotions. Are we shtart 138 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 5: to chie pretty much is asking for help and you 139 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 5: get to a point where you don't know what to 140 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 5: do or say for me personally because I'm not one 141 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 5: to speak up or it wasn't are you It was hard. 142 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 5: I'm not going to lie. It was hard, and lucky 143 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 5: the boy was there to save the day, I guess. 144 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: So not a great time to be in construction and 145 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: it's not been the easiest few years. Are we seeing 146 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 1: things starting to pack up now? 147 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 2: Well, there's a huge number of liquidations and insolvency still 148 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 2: in the construction sector. I see that coming through every 149 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 2: day in the government's gazette. You know, just a number 150 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 2: of bankruptcies, receiverships, administrations, liquidations and you know also when 151 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 2: you do get reports about businesses that cannot cope financially. 152 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 2: They'll often the liquidators or receivers or insolvency practitioners will 153 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 2: often refer back to COVID. You know, we sort of 154 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 2: fill up, we're out of that, but actually the ramifications 155 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 2: on those businesses are still continuing. And they also quite 156 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 2: often cite the downturn in the housing market, and they 157 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 2: talk about the price escalation in terms of labor costs 158 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 2: and material and actually even getting some of the materials 159 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 2: sometimes can be very difficult, so the pre sales, you know, 160 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 2: there's so many pressures. We have a housing shortage, but 161 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 2: we also have a lot of problems within the building 162 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 2: sector attempting to resolve that housing shortage by building more residences, 163 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 2: be it standalone houses or apartments or townhouses. And a 164 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:11,079 Speaker 2: lot of those companies are under a lot of pressure. 165 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: Yet inflation is falling. How long will the outlook be? 166 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 3: Tough? 167 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 2: Is when I talk to people in the sector, they're 168 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:20,959 Speaker 2: very happy about interest rates coming down and inflation war 169 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:24,319 Speaker 2: under control, and they do see a lot of signs 170 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 2: of regeneration in the sector. But in terms of the future, 171 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 2: I don't have any clever want pass. 172 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: Sorry, you've recently reported on the saga involving Seascape, which 173 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: is meant to be the country's biggest apartment building. Can 174 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 1: you tell us what's going on there? 175 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 2: Yes, a fifty six level towel which is already up 176 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 2: but not yet fully clad and certainly not fitted out inside. 177 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 2: So this is a dispute between the developer, Shindy Customs, 178 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 2: and the builder, China Construction. Now, China Construction took Shindy 179 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:02,079 Speaker 2: Customs to the Building Disputes Tribe and won award for 180 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 2: thirty three million dollars and also charging orders which would 181 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 2: actually stop Shandy settling the sales of their apartments. And 182 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 2: in response to that, the developer has launched high court 183 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 2: action against China Construction seeking that that decision be set aside. 184 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 2: So it hasn't yet concluded, but we know that China 185 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 2: Construction asked all the subcontractors I think there were more 186 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 2: than twenty to remove everything from the site that they 187 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,559 Speaker 2: had there and also not to return to the site. 188 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 2: So that occurred in August, and again it's another good 189 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 2: example of a stress in the sector because there were 190 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:43,599 Speaker 2: a lot of companies that are owed money by China Construction. 191 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:47,839 Speaker 2: China Construction says that cannot pay them until the developer 192 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 2: of this fifty six level one hundred and eighty something 193 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:57,319 Speaker 2: meter tower actually pays them. So that's a very difficult situation. 194 00:11:57,679 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: Perhaps some lessons to be learned from this. 195 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 2: Yes, well watch the space, see what comes out of it. 196 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 2: There'll be further high court action, we think in the 197 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 2: next few weeks. 198 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 1: And issues like this can't be good for the mental 199 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: health of the employers either. 200 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 2: They're under a lot of pressure, sometimes from non payment 201 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 2: or sometimes from payments lagging, and that means that it's 202 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 2: very difficult for them. And sometimes word can filter down 203 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 2: from the boss class to the worker class that things 204 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 2: are quite unstable, and that doesn't help anyone's mental health. 205 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 2: You know, if people fear for their jobs or fear 206 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 2: for the health of the company that they're working for, 207 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 2: that leaves them feeling even more uncertain and under more pressure. 208 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 2: These people are often, you know, the bread winners for 209 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 2: the family and that pay check is being relied on, 210 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 2: and if there's some threat hanging over that, it puts 211 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 2: a lot of stress on the employee, but obviously the 212 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:57,559 Speaker 2: employer as well. 213 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:03,559 Speaker 6: If you can help shoulder some of his burden or 214 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 6: share some of his problems. 215 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 5: One seen is a tough guy's industry. To take a 216 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 5: concrete pill and harden up attitude. 217 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 6: With prevalent, we are six times more likely to lose 218 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 6: one of the crew to suicide than to a workplace exibit. 219 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 6: So when you put that in perspective of all health 220 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 6: and safety program you can see the important. 221 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: And the construction sector sounds like it needs to get 222 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:32,079 Speaker 1: a handle on sorting out the concerns raised in the survey. 223 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: Would that mean they can attract more talent into the sector. 224 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 2: That's for sure, and MATE says it's out to change 225 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 2: this in this tragedy of suicide, and it says it 226 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 2: has already reached more than eighty five thousand people in 227 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:49,719 Speaker 2: the sector, and it's got a volunteer network which I 228 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 2: found an astonishing figure five thousand plus in the sector 229 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 2: trained in suicide prevention. So it's already getting on with 230 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 2: things and addressing what is a real tragedy. They've got 231 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 2: an O eight one hundred number at Mates and Construction. 232 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 2: So if you have any fears you're under stress or pressure, 233 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 2: or perhaps a family member or someone you know is suffering, 234 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 2: the over eight hundred number is eight hundred triple one, three, 235 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 2: one five. Give them a call. They're they're to help. 236 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 2: They're doing all they can. 237 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: Some pretty disturbing figures there and in a concerning time 238 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: for a lot of people. 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