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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

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Speaker 2: It's Heather Duplicy Ellen, drive with one New Zealand let's

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Speaker 2: get connected, youth Falk said, be.

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Speaker 3: Hey, it afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today,

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Speaker 3: I've got an announcement from the government on their response

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Speaker 3: to the Royal Commission and Abuse and State Care. We'll

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Speaker 3: speak to the Minister Responsible, Erica Stamford after five. Also

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Speaker 3: have a chat to the organizer of Big Hecoy about

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Speaker 3: the treaty Principal's Bill. Find out where it's at and

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Speaker 3: why they won't meet with David Seymour and Nikola Willis

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Speaker 3: with us after six.

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Speaker 1: Heather Duplicy Allen.

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Speaker 3: Now, few things get under me Colin more than examples

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Speaker 3: of dumb council spending. But all Cland's Christmas tree is

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Speaker 3: not one of these examples. I mean, look, I tried,

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Speaker 3: I really tried. I did try. I looked at it.

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Speaker 3: One point three million dollars on a Christmas tree. That

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Speaker 3: should make me angry, So try to get angry about it,

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Speaker 3: but you know, I just can't. And the reason I

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Speaker 3: can't get angry about it is I just read. I

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Speaker 3: read through the thing, and I thought, but all of

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Speaker 3: these things make sense to me. Number one, this tree

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Speaker 3: is not a one time wonder. It's supposed to be

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Speaker 3: around for the next ten years, right, So that means

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Speaker 3: one point three million dollars split out over ten years

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Speaker 3: one hundred and thirty thousand dollars every year. Yep. To

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Speaker 3: fully understand that it's girl math's going on there, but

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Speaker 3: I think it's important context. Also, the council's not funding

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Speaker 3: the whole thing, It's only funding about eight hundred thousand

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Speaker 3: or thereabouts of it. So that means the annual cost

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Speaker 3: split over ten years, is now eighty thousand dollars.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: There's a whole lot better, isn't it. They taking it

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Speaker 3: right down from one point three million dollars to eighty

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Speaker 3: thousand dollars a year for you. Also, half the money,

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Speaker 3: half of that eighty thousand dollars annually, is coming from

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Speaker 3: a targeted rate which is paid for by the central

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Speaker 3: city residents and businesses, which is supposed to go towards

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Speaker 3: improving the central city and making the central city more vibrant, right,

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Speaker 3: which is where this tree's going in the central city. Also,

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Speaker 3: and this is the most important part for me, four

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Speaker 3: by private organizations. None of us are even putting out

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Speaker 3: hands in our pockets for this right, it's half of

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Speaker 3: the city. It's also precinct properties, which is a major

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Speaker 3: landholder and development. Now. I don't think either of these

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Speaker 3: organizations or organizations that were just waste money because they

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Speaker 3: They don't go around looking for things to spend their

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Speaker 3: going to be spending money because they see value in

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Speaker 3: spending money, and the value will obviously be in getting

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Speaker 3: families down at a big spending time of the year,

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Speaker 3: down to the bottom of Queen Street, spending some dollars,

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Speaker 3: reminding themselves that the place was once a lovely place

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Speaker 3: and can be a lovely place again. And we do

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Speaker 3: not need to need to re litigate how hard a

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Speaker 3: how much they could probably on Queen Street do with

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Speaker 3: coming in at a nice time to spend some money.

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Speaker 3: If there is something in this, I think that perhaps

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Speaker 3: picked apart, we do need to remind ourselves that some

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Speaker 3: of the things that they spend money on still have value,

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Speaker 3: Christmas time, given the state of Queen Street, given where

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Speaker 3: is an example of waste.

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Speaker 1: Do you ever duper?

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Speaker 3: SYL nine two ninety two is the text number standard

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Speaker 3: text fees on that now. But if a thing has

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Speaker 3: been going on in Parliament today, Speaker Jerry brownly has

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Speaker 3: banned and now unbanned and investigative journalists from covering the

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Speaker 3: National Apology to Survivors of Abuse and State Care at

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Speaker 3: Parliament tomorrow. Chap's name is Aaron Smayle works for Newsroom.

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Speaker 3: He had an application for accreditation to the event, initially

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Speaker 3: denied by the Speaker apparently there were some issues to

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Speaker 3: after some protests by the Parliamentary Press Gallery, and Newsroom

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Speaker 3: the employer. The application will now be approved. Now Mark

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Speaker 3: Jennings is the co editor of Newsroom and with Us.

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Speaker 3: Now ho Mark, Yeah, Hi, did Jerry explain this is

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Speaker 3: a speaker? Did Jerry explain to you why he's unbanned?

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Speaker 4: Erin, he did, but we agreed to a confidential discussion

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Speaker 4: with him. But essentially, yes, it does relate to what

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Speaker 4: he thought was Aaron's conduct at some previous media conferences. Now,

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Speaker 4: we think at this point Jerry Brownie had probably not

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Speaker 4: really had the full story. He hadn't witnessed any of

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Speaker 4: it himselves, hadn't reviewed any tapes he was going on

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Speaker 4: to say of other people, and once we had had

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Speaker 4: to talk to him, once he had, I guess, experienced

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Speaker 4: a whole lot of pressure from other people, organizations, etc.

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Speaker 4: He decided to change his mind.

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Speaker 3: So let me get this right, Max. So he's disgusted

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Speaker 3: with you, but he's asked you not to tell us

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Speaker 3: anything about the discussion. Is that right?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 3: Well that suggests to me that he's embarrassed by this,

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Speaker 3: is it?

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Speaker 1: Well, Jerry is Jerry.

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Speaker 4: I don't know whether there he is embarrassed, you know,

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Speaker 4: is when you know he gets told something by people

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Speaker 3: But I mean, here's the thing. Freedom of the press

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Speaker 3: is a really important part of democracy, right. I don't

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Speaker 3: want to like a tastrophise the situation or anything, but

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Speaker 3: it's really important. And if you're going to deny the

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Speaker 3: accreditation to arguably one of the most experienced journalists in

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Speaker 3: this field, you've got to have more grounds than just

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Speaker 3: listening to the ninth floor having a winge about it.

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Speaker 4: Surely I totally agree you do. And this, you know,

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Speaker 4: this has not been good for journalism or freedom of

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Speaker 4: that it's been turned around because Aaron has basically led

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Speaker 3: So does this call into question the speaker's independence, as in,

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Speaker 3: like he's not doing the bidding of his own party here?

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Speaker 4: Look, I wouldn't I wouldn't say that, but I think

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Speaker 4: it just required more thoughts than perhaps he gave it

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Speaker 3: Okay, now is did Aaron maybe push it a little

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Speaker 3: bit far with Karen Shaw. I haven't heard this, so

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Speaker 3: I'm relying on doing exactly the same thing as Jerry.

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Speaker 3: I'm relying entirely on you here. Did he push it

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Speaker 6: Well?

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Speaker 4: Look it, I wouldn't think. I don't think so, to

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Speaker 4: be honest, Aaron, Look, his questioning was quite aggressive and unforgiving.

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Speaker 4: I think there are plenty of ministers that you know,

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Speaker 4: if it had been Winston or someone like that, that

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Speaker 4: Baron is a little bit more sensitive to this. There

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Speaker 4: was one particular thing that I guess slightly upset Aron,

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Speaker 4: and it was when Act referenced in terms of boot camps,

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Speaker 4: Erin because you know, the Maray Battalion has a special

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Speaker 4: you like emotions rising.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Mark, thank you for talking to us. I really

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Speaker 3: appreciate your time. I know you're a busy man dealing

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Speaker 3: with a lot today. That's Mark Jennings Newsroom co editor.

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Speaker 3: So when we heard that Aaron Smail had been banned,

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Speaker 3: and that the explanation that he'd originally been banned was

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Speaker 3: because of his previous conduct on one occasion specifically, we

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Speaker 3: went back to have a look.

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if that was a reference to the

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Speaker 3: because there were he was at two press conferences where

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Speaker 3: he got stuck in. Don't know anything about what happened

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Speaker 3: with Karen Shaw was entirely reliant on Mark Jennings there.

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Speaker 3: But the press conference with the Prime Minister was July

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Speaker 3: twenty four And this is it Is.

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Speaker 8: This going to lead you to rethink you're on games

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Speaker 8: giving it? Many of game members are victims.

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Speaker 9: Well, what I'd say to you is what it has

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Speaker 9: led us to do is to say sorry.

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Speaker 8: Can you say to the game members? What would you

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Speaker 8: say to them?

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Speaker 9: Well, look, I understand many game members that come from

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Speaker 9: very dysfunctional upbringings. I get that, but also we can't

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Speaker 9: have gang members causing pain and suffering.

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Speaker 10: But answer sorry, sir.

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Speaker 3: It is a volume on the connection, Yes, homes and games.

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Speaker 11: Can you I've read that.

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Speaker 10: Specause of that that's not that bad is it?

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Speaker 3: I mean you can handle that if you're the Prime Minister,

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Speaker 3: can't you? Quarter past?

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Speaker 3: hello head. How good were the All Blacks then? Eh?

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Speaker 12: I thought they were good. I thought they were really good. Yeah,

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Speaker 12: now good on the may I you know, Ireland were

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Speaker 12: beating their chests, weren't they and playing the cranberries and

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Speaker 12: Johnny Sexton was winging and whining right up until the

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Speaker 12: I thought they played well. I thought Ireland were below par,

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Speaker 12: looked like a team that hadn't played for a few months.

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Speaker 3: And that was the case.

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Speaker 12: But it was the pressure that All Blacks applied to them,

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Speaker 12: particularly in the last twenty minutes. I think they're really

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Speaker 12: told so yeah. Big test by Damien Mackenzie, Big test

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Speaker 12: by Usafua Moore. I think they were two of the

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Speaker 12: they delivered. I thought it was a really really good performance.

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Speaker 3: So what has happened to the All Blacks because the

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Speaker 3: last two tests have been pretty convincing for the last

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Speaker 3: twenty minutes a which has been the thing. Remember at

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Speaker 3: the start of RAS's tenure, we were like, what happens

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Speaker 3: in the last twenty minutes? What if they managed to

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Speaker 3: do well?

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Speaker 12: I think maybe they've just taken and I hate this phrase,

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Speaker 12: taken the learnings from what's happened. They clearly we could

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Speaker 12: all see something was going wrong in the last twenty minutes.

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Speaker 12: They've just, for whatever reason, worked it out. And look,

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Speaker 12: maybe we should have expected some teething problems under a

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Speaker 12: new coaching group. You know, I know Rays has been

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Speaker 12: extremely as successful as Crusader's head coach, but it's a

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Speaker 12: different group of players, a different environment, all that sort

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Speaker 12: of thing. So maybe it's taking a bit of time.

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Speaker 12: And we always say, don't we that you know, the

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Speaker 12: World Cup's the thing, and you know this year might

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Speaker 12: have been sort of just a building block towards it. Well,

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Speaker 12: the building blocks are looking nice and firm at the

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Speaker 12: back end of the year. Beat France next year, next

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Speaker 3: On Stephen Alcare Here. The Stephen Alpha was a hopeless

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Speaker 3: Can Charles's lead commemorations for remembrance Sunday at the Cenotaph

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Speaker 3: Now, finally, do you remember the forty three lady monkeys

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Speaker 13: You may remember Senior Constable Christian Whites. He's pleaded not

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Speaker 13: guilty out of the manslaughter of Claire Nolan's. Now, this

439
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Speaker 13: was in an age care home. He arrived at the scene.

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Speaker 13: She has suffered symptoms, she's got dementia. She was moving

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Speaker 13: around the agecare home with her four wheeled walker frame

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Speaker 13: and she couldn't be located by the police when they

443
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Speaker 13: arrived just before five o'clock that morning. When they founder,

444
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Speaker 13: she was in the administration building, sitting and holding a knife. Now,

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Speaker 13: she did not say anything when she was spoken to.

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Speaker 13: She stood up from her chair, she moved slowly towards

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Speaker 13: the door with her walker holding the knife, and then

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Speaker 13: she's tased. Now she's obviously died as a result of

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Speaker 13: the tasering. I think a ninety five year old woman

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Speaker 13: who needs a walker frame holding a knife might not

451
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Speaker 13: necessarily be. I wasn't there obviously, Heather. But I don't

452
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Speaker 13: think you're going to be too threatened if you're a

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Speaker 13: police officer. This is obviously all going to court. I

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Speaker 13: mean he's saying he's done what he was meant to do,

455
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Speaker 13: He's done what he was trained to do. But we'll

456
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Speaker 13: obviously here in this case and he'll plead not guilty.

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Speaker 13: It'll be fascinating to hear the circumstances of exactly why

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Speaker 13: he decided to discharge that taser.

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Speaker 10: It's expected to now last for two to three weeks.

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Speaker 3: The poles aren't looking good for Albo, are they.

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Speaker 10: No, he's in strife. He's in big strife. And there's

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Speaker 10: a few different poles which are out today.

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Speaker 13: But the nuts and bolts of it are that now

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Speaker 13: Peter Dutton is the preferred Prime Minister to Anthony Albanesi.

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Speaker 13: And that is the first time in all of the

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Speaker 13: polling that's been done since albot was Prime Minister that

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Speaker 13: Dutton's personal popularity is now surging ahead of Anthony Albanesi.

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Speaker 10: So the PM has got a lot of work to do.

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Speaker 13: And I see you already today if he got the

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Speaker 13: Treasurer Jim Chalmers out softening up the Australian public saying, look,

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Speaker 13: inflation was on its way down.

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Speaker 10: We were hoping interstrates were going to be cut.

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Speaker 13: But that Trump's the president of the US, are you

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Speaker 13: know our economic plans, you know, going.

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Speaker 8: To the bin?

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Speaker 10: Well I don't think that's going to fly with Australians.

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Speaker 13: And I think a lot of the scenario that we

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Speaker 13: saw in the US election last week head about. You know,

479
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Speaker 13: the fact interest rates are up, inflations going up. You

480
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Speaker 13: can't put a roof over your head. Governments of the

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Speaker 13: day will say, you know, there's so much we can do,

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Speaker 13: but that's what's going to kick you out of office.

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Speaker 10: People are going to vote with their feet. So look,

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Speaker 10: this is fascinating.

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Speaker 13: Peter Dutton, I've got to say as an opposition leader,

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Speaker 13: he has been on message, very effective, very callous since

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Speaker 13: it was his entire shadow ministry team.

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Speaker 10: So brace yourselves with this one.

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Speaker 13: I think elbow runs till May and he will call

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Speaker 13: the election after the Western Australian election where I am

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Speaker 13: because Labor will still absolutely walk it in and he'll

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Speaker 13: be here on the night of the election in March

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Speaker 13: the eighth, twenty twenty five holding the hand of the

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Speaker 13: WA Premier Roger Cook. And then the next day he'll go,

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Speaker 13: let's go to the polls and let's keep that momentum going,

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Speaker 13: and the wister Australians and say, mate, your mate is

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Speaker 13: just vote yes.

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Speaker 10: I don't want to go vote again in five weeks.

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Speaker 10: Bugger off.

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Speaker 3: Tell me something, Ollie. I mean, I'm prize that Peter

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Speaker 3: Dutton is doing so well in the polls because if

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Speaker 3: there's anything he reminds me of, it's Lord Voldemort. And yeah,

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Speaker 3: and I just wonder like saying that you prefer him

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Speaker 3: to Elbow is one thing, but when it actually comes

505
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Speaker 3: to ticking his name and choosing Voldemort as your prime

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Speaker 3: minister's that's really gonna happen.

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Speaker 13: Well, well, at the moment, if the polls are right,

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Speaker 13: I think that you've got to remember, you know, the

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Speaker 13: government has only three year terms obviously here in Australia,

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Speaker 13: and Albin Easy spent the first twelve months talking about

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Speaker 13: the voice and how important the voice was going to be,

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Speaker 13: and then it didn't get up. In the meantime, again,

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Speaker 13: people can't repay their mortgages, they can't even in w

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Speaker 13: hate the moment, you can't even find a roof to

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Speaker 13: put over your head.

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Speaker 10: So I think there's a lot of that hold on,

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Speaker 10: what did you do?

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Speaker 13: Like you've just squandered a year on something now that

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Speaker 13: you know you highlighted as the most important issue, which

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Speaker 13: absolutely it was. Now he doesn't want to talk about

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Speaker 13: anything to do with Indigenous affairs in Australia because you

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Speaker 13: know it's the backlash. So if it was so important

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Speaker 13: eighteen months ago, why isn't it any important today?

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Speaker 3: No fair point. Listen, what the hell is going on

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Speaker 3: with Reaguan? She says Friday that she's retiring, and then

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Speaker 3: she turns up at the Tones and I concert in

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Speaker 3: front of all of these people in Melbourne on Saturday.

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Speaker 3: What's up?

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Speaker 10: She says? I'm never going to stop. She's going to continue.

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Speaker 10: You know something really funny here.

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Speaker 13: That is a brief aside. I was in the high

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Speaker 13: school musical with Raygun and I only found out last week.

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Speaker 3: Are you serious?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 10: She went to my school and I didn't know this.

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Speaker 10: She's the year below me.

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Speaker 13: I was, of course the Pirate King and the Pirates

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Speaker 13: of Penzance. Would you believe because I'm also a triple

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Speaker 13: for it. She was one of the daughters and someone said,

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Speaker 13: you know Rachel Gun. I was like, no, I don't

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Speaker 13: know Rachel Gun. I said, Raygun. Evan knows Reagun.

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Speaker 10: She went to my high school and she was one

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Speaker 10: of the and I went back through the program and

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Speaker 10: I found her.

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Speaker 3: Can you see her in there?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, you can see her in there. You can see

547
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Speaker 10: me in there. I know Reygun and I didn't know

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Speaker 10: An you Reagan now and Philly farras gess.

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Speaker 3: We're going to double the amount? What if we pay you?

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Speaker 3: And I don't know that we do for what you

551
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Speaker 3: bring to the show, but if we do, we've got

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Speaker 3: to double it because you are famous.

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Speaker 13: Well you know, there you go, Raygun, and maybe Raygun

554
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Speaker 13: and I could come and do something for you in

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Speaker 13: New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: Hey, you got to head her up. You've got to

557
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Speaker 3: be like, yo, what's up. It's only from blah blah school.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, correct, Mada, Yeah, she's back, she's gone nowhere. Maybe

559
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Speaker 10: she'll come into a New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: Well jeez, why not. I mean she's bizarre and completely

561
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Speaker 3: unpredictable like Trump, So maybe she will. Oliver, thank you,

562
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Speaker 3: Oliver Peterson six pr Perth Life Present. Yeah, so she

563
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Speaker 3: turns up at the Stones and Eye concert, which is

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Speaker 3: a big show. And this is literally the day after

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Speaker 3: saying she's retiring and us being like, yeah, fair enough, No,

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Speaker 3: I mean you were terrible. It's okay that you retire.

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Speaker 3: Turns out pulls out the kangaroo, and actually her comic

568
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Speaker 3: timing on the kangaroo was, frankly out the gate was

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Speaker 3: pretty good. But she's all over the show. And if

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Speaker 3: there's one thing I think, if there's one thing we're

571
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Speaker 3: starting to learn about ray Gun, is that this girl

572
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Speaker 3: knows how to get publicity a burg time quarter to.

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Speaker 2: Politics with centrics, credit, check your customers, and get payments.

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Speaker 1: Certainty, very so.

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Speaker 3: Pre senior political correspondence with us. Hey Barry, good afternoon Hill. Okay, So,

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Speaker 3: I mean, have the survivors of abuse in state care

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Speaker 3: got a point that apologizing without dealing with the redress

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Speaker 3: is kind of getting they should be done at the

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Speaker 3: same time.

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Speaker 17: Well, this thing's been going on for six years the

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Speaker 17: Royal Commission and the government took it over. And what

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Speaker 17: Chris Luxin has said in his post cabinet news conference

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Speaker 17: that's just finished. He said that compensation will be part

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Speaker 17: of the budget next year's budget, but it's making provision

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Speaker 17: for don't forget Lake Alice. Some Lake Alice patients who

586
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Speaker 17: were tortured, they got twenty thousand dollars and the point

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Speaker 17: that Luxon did say was that money is not going

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Speaker 17: to cure the harm that was done and it's not

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Speaker 17: so tomorrow it will be just about an apology. But

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Speaker 17: after that there will be a bill introduced to the

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Speaker 17: House immediately. And apparently one of the big bug bears

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Speaker 17: of patients that went through the system was strip searches,

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Speaker 17: particularly of children and care. They will be outlawed in

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Speaker 17: this new law that will be read for the first

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Speaker 17: time after the apology has made, so they'll be the

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Speaker 17: first reading and it'll go then to a Select committee.

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Speaker 17: But survivors expecting anything more than an apology tomorrow will

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Speaker 17: be disappointed. Compensation, like I said, Chris Luckson says, won't

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Speaker 17: come immediately tomorrow.

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Speaker 9: Our focus is solely on the apology and we are

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Speaker 9: expecting around two hundred survivors at Parliament and a further

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Speaker 9: one thousand people watching via livestream events in Auckland, Wellington

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Speaker 9: and christ Church. And I know there is nothing I

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Speaker 9: can do or say that we'll ever make up for

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Speaker 9: what survivors can endure it, but I do hope that

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Speaker 9: in some small way the apology might help with their healing.

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Speaker 9: As we have said, the government will progress further decisions

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Speaker 9: on our response to the recommendations in the report throughout

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Speaker 9: twenty twenty five, including our plans around financial redress.

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Speaker 17: It's a really difficult one, isn't it, because how do

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Speaker 17: you arrive at a sum how do you decide who

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Speaker 17: was treated more poorly than others. It's a very complex issue,

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Speaker 17: there's no doubt about that, and that was made pretty

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Speaker 17: clear by the Minister responsible Lyricus stand for them and

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Speaker 17: also the Prime Minister.

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Speaker 3: Well, Mark Jennings was on before. He couldn't tell us

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Speaker 3: why Jerry Brownly had unbanned his journal because he promised

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Speaker 3: not to tell on Jerry, can you explain what's going

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Speaker 3: on here?

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Speaker 17: Well, look, this is a very difficult one. Essentially, the

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Speaker 17: Prime Minister has said that his office and other officers

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Speaker 17: in the Beehive had complained about Aaron Smile's behavior. It's

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Speaker 17: not just in questioning it was, and this is what's

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Speaker 17: sort of every theory about it. We don't know what

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Speaker 17: the behavior was. Essentially, Jerry Brownie, what he would say,

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Speaker 17: I think is that he tried to contact newsroom after

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Speaker 17: the gallery approved the accreditation. It's temporary accreditation for the

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Speaker 17: apology tomorrow, and Aaron Smaile has done a lot of

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Speaker 17: work on it and certainly with survivors of the state care.

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Speaker 17: And eventually Jerry Brownly apparently tried to contact newsroom. They

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Speaker 17: didn't contact them back, didn't return his calls. And it

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Speaker 17: seems that today after he had made the band, because

633
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Speaker 17: he had had these complaints to deal with, then the

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Speaker 17: contact was made by a newsroom and the band was lifted.

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Speaker 17: That's as I understand it. But look, if it was

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Speaker 17: questioning that god and band, you'd have to say what

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Speaker 17: were they? What did they have to complain about? Have

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Speaker 17: a listen?

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Speaker 8: Is this going to lead you to rethink your cos

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Speaker 8: on games given that many of game members are victims?

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Speaker 9: Well, what I'd say to you is what it has

642
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Speaker 9: led us to do is to say gaming sorry.

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Speaker 8: Can you say to the game mbers? What would you

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Speaker 8: say to them?

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Speaker 11: Well?

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Speaker 9: Look, I understand many game members that come from very

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Speaker 9: dysfunctional upbringings. I get that, but also we can't have

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Speaker 9: game members causing pain and suffering.

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Speaker 1: But sorry is a volume on the connection homes.

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Speaker 17: And read the see that's simply hectoring and I remember.

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Speaker 3: Muldoon, that's not even hectory.

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Speaker 17: Well it's you know, it's basically stragetic questions. So but

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Speaker 17: lux and he told journalists there were issues that have

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Speaker 17: been discussed with newsroom now about the journalist's behavior, and

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Speaker 17: that's why it was raised with the Speaker.

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Speaker 9: There's a number of issues that have been raised from

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Speaker 9: not just my team but also from staff from other

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Speaker 9: offices as well that we're reflected in conversations with newsroom

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Speaker 9: and as a result, you know, that's up to them

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Speaker 9: to determine how they might want to handle that behavior.

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Speaker 9: But for us old whatever, the Speaker of sites is

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Speaker 9: fine by me, So.

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Speaker 17: There you go. I mean, it's sort of up in

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Speaker 17: the air. You don't know why now the band was

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Speaker 17: really imposed what was said by Beehive officers. But you know,

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Speaker 17: the case of a journalist ever being banned by the

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Speaker 17: Speaker at Parliament is so rare. Yeah, like I said,

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Speaker 17: it happened to me in the eighties with Muldoon, and

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Speaker 17: the Speaker wanted me to apologize to Muldoon, which I

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Speaker 17: didn't do. But then the snap election was called Tom

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Speaker 17: Scott of course, was banned by the speed by well Maldoon,

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Speaker 17: recommended to speaker by him many was. So it's very

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Speaker 17: very rare that it ever ever happens. And I think

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Speaker 17: probably Jerry's reflecting on this and maybe newsroom will come

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Speaker 17: back and give a better explanation than what they've given

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Speaker 17: hitherto Barry.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, very Soper, senior political correspondence given

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Speaker 3: away from five putting the.

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Speaker 2: Tough questions to the newspeakers, the make asking breakfast.

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Speaker 18: This protest which may or may not turn out to

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Speaker 18: be a thing this week. Police Minister Mark Mitchell's will.

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Speaker 19: Us week and with the organized as well in advance

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Speaker 19: is equipment by them that it's going to be a

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Speaker 19: peaceful boy. People have got the right to come out

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Speaker 19: and participate in this protests.

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Speaker 18: Have you had a word with David Seymour, because of

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Speaker 18: course you're in charge of this and this is something

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Speaker 18: that's going to die at the first round anyway. Therefore

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Speaker 18: there's a lot of energy going into something that's going nowhere.

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Speaker 19: You're talking about the Trees Principles, Well, I.

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Speaker 18: Mean, yeah, the reason they're marching is the Treaty principles

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Speaker 18: bills going off DATD Thursday's going up to Selectrim and

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Speaker 18: he's going to die from there because you haven't got

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Speaker 18: the support. They're marching for something that isn't going to happen.

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Speaker 19: Well, yes, so it's just being related to the trees

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Speaker 19: bul Yes, you're right, and it's not going any further.

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Speaker 18: Back tomorrow at six am, the mic asking Breakfast with

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Speaker 18: the rain drover of the larm used talk z B hither.

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Speaker 3: I'm astounded at the suggestion that there may be degrees

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Speaker 3: of compensation. Abuse is abused, just as pain is what

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Speaker 3: the person says it is. Let's hope all those abuse

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Speaker 3: receive the same in this context. It's all ugly. No,

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Speaker 3: it doesn't quite work like that. So, I mean, if

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Speaker 3: you think about it, for example, like if I mean,

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Speaker 3: if somebody has been subjected to weird injections and electric

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Speaker 3: shock treatment, I think you know, over let's say a

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Speaker 3: period of I don't know, let's say ten years. Okay,

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Speaker 3: I don't know. This is not I'm not saying that

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Speaker 3: this is what happened. I'm just plucking this out right.

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Speaker 3: Let's just say that that happened. That person is surely

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Speaker 3: entitled to more compensation. Than someone who got smacked in

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Speaker 3: the face once. Do you know what I mean? There

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Speaker 3: are degrees of harm and degrees of bad behavior. That's

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Speaker 3: why we have torture and a category of its own.

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Speaker 3: So it will it will, there will be different kinds

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Speaker 3: of money attached to it. Anyway, We'll keep an eye

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Speaker 3: on that because it is complicated. We're going to talk

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Speaker 3: very shortly, so we're going to talk to Erica Stanford

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Speaker 3: who was with us, next and after that we're going

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Speaker 3: to talk to the chap who is organizing the national

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Speaker 3: One of the chaps who is organizing the National hikoy

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Speaker 3: on the Treaty Principal's Bill, interestingly, has declined to meet

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Speaker 3: with David Seymore. David Cema was like, yep, I'll meet

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Speaker 3: with them when they come to Parliament. He's like, nap,

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Speaker 3: not at the beck and call of David Seymour. Well, then,

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Speaker 3: kind of what's the point because you're actually gonna you're

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Speaker 3: actually gonna front, you can shoot front the guy who's

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Speaker 3: responsible for this law. So we'll ask him why he's

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Speaker 3: not going to do that, and then yeah, we're dealing

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Speaker 3: with the seagulls. Big time news talk, said b.

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Speaker 2: The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,

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Speaker 2: get the answers by the facts and give the analysis.

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Speaker 2: Heather Dupless the Alan Drive with One New Zealand let's

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Speaker 2: get connected and youth talk.

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Speaker 1: As said b.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon. So the apology for past abuse in state care

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Speaker 3: is tomorrow, but before that, today the governments announced a

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Speaker 3: bunch of law changes which are designed to protect people

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Speaker 3: in state care right now. So they'll band strip searches

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Speaker 3: of children and youth justice facilities, create harsher restrictions for

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Speaker 3: people who work with kids, and enforce better record keeping

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Speaker 3: by government agencies. Also, and wants to classify disabl people

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Speaker 3: as vulnerable adults, meaning they'll have access to better services now.

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Speaker 3: Erica Stanford is the lead Coordination Minister for the government's

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Speaker 3: response to abuse and state care and with us. Hey Erica, Hey,

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Speaker 3: good afternoon.

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Speaker 1: Erica.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate that the point of this thing is to

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Speaker 3: try to keep kids safer, but isn't there a case

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Speaker 3: for strip searching some of these kids, given some of

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Speaker 3: them will be quite serious offenders.

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Speaker 20: One of the things that the Royal Commission talked about

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Speaker 20: in some of the stories that it went through was

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Speaker 20: the indignity of the searchers and how inappropriate and rough

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Speaker 20: they were potentially with members of their wrong sex and

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Speaker 20: all sorts of things.

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Speaker 1: It was not good.

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Speaker 20: It only actually happens a very few cases, but it

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Speaker 20: was something that we wanted to move to make sure

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Speaker 20: that it wouldn't happen in the future, and instead we'd

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Speaker 20: be putting in place individual search plans where young people

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Speaker 20: knew what was going to happen and they had more

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Speaker 20: control all over how old happened.

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Speaker 3: So what do you do in a case where you've

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Speaker 3: got a really serious young offender and some of them

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Speaker 3: are who has been taken into a youth justice facility

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Speaker 3: and there is a concern that they have hidden contraband

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Speaker 3: like a weapon or something in a place that they

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Speaker 3: can now not be searched, And what do you do.

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Speaker 20: Well in the future, Minister Chore and you can talk

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Speaker 20: to her more about this is looking to use full

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Speaker 20: body scanners, which would replace any reason to have to.

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Speaker 1: Do a search.

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Speaker 3: Okay, how long are they? How far away are they?

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Speaker 20: Oh, you have to ask her about the detail. Well,

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Speaker 20: I'm the overseeing minister.

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Speaker 3: I don't have all of the detail of because, because

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Speaker 3: I mean, you run the risk at the moment of

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Speaker 3: doing something that looks good but actually puts people at risk. Right.

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Speaker 20: Well, actually the bigger risk is people who are coming

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Speaker 20: in with contraband. So you'll see as part of the

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Speaker 20: changes in the legislation that we are moving to be

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Speaker 20: able to search people who are coming in, so staff

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Speaker 20: members and contractors and family members and people who are

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Speaker 20: coming in. Because actually, in the last months they found

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Speaker 20: three hundred and fifty pieces of contraband, including weapons.

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Speaker 3: So how do we know that the kids are the

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Speaker 3: ones taking the contraband, including the weapons in.

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Speaker 20: Well, we're only doing a handful at the moment of

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Speaker 20: those searches anyway, But just that alone is recording to

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Speaker 20: the Well, well, we're looking at, you know, three hundred

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Speaker 20: and fifty pieces of contraband in the last six months

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Speaker 20: with the people who are coming in, and that's going

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Speaker 20: to make the biggest difference.

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Speaker 3: Right did your office was your office? What are the

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Speaker 3: officers that complained about that newsroom? Do you know who's

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Speaker 3: banned today his behavior?

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Speaker 20: No, I haven't made any complaints about mister smell.

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Speaker 3: Do you know anything about his behavior? What is it

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Speaker 3: that's got everybody so worked up?

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Speaker 20: Look, you've got to have to ask a Prime minister

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Speaker 20: about that. I just know that there was some behavior

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Speaker 20: that has happened on a number of occasions that has

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Speaker 20: been brought up with newsroom that they haven't acknowledged or

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Speaker 20: done anything about, and that was just raised with the speaker.

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Speaker 3: So this is like, is it like physical threats? Is

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Speaker 3: it stuff outside of the conference?

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Speaker 5: What is it?

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Speaker 20: Look, it's not something that I've ever been involved in

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Speaker 20: or been around it. I just know that there was

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Speaker 20: some inappropriate behavior.

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Speaker 3: Okay, hey, by the way, just kind of unrelated to this.

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Speaker 3: But because you're the immigration minister, I see Candice Owens,

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Speaker 3: who's that controversial speaker, has had her gig postponed. Do

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Speaker 3: you know where where where you guys are at with

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Speaker 3: her visa?

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Speaker 20: I do know that her gig has been moved I

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Speaker 20: think to early next year. That means that the immense

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Speaker 20: pressure and Immigration is Zealand to look at it in

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Speaker 20: a speedy way is now off and they will just

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Speaker 20: process it and look, it is a matter for them.

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Speaker 20: They've got rules and processes that they worked her, and

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Speaker 20: it would be an appropriate for me to get involved.

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Speaker 3: But was it because of But was it because of

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Speaker 3: visa processing at our end? And not nothing to do

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Speaker 3: with Australia, but it was a New Zealand visa problem

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Speaker 3: that caused us to happen course.

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Speaker 20: Her to shift her I have not been told that

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Speaker 20: the reason that she's moved her her gig has got

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Speaker 20: anything to do with the visa processing time.

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Speaker 3: All right, Erica, thank you as always. It's Erica Stanford

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Speaker 3: Minister obviously read the State abuse care and also in

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Speaker 3: the now, the nine day National HIKOI, opposing David Siema's

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Speaker 3: Treaty Principal's Bill, has started its journey to Parliament's grounds.

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Speaker 3: Police preparing for twenty five thousand people. Protest organizers are

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Speaker 3: hoping for forty thousand. HIKOI leader Eru Kapakini is with

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Speaker 3: me now, Eru, Yeah, Connor, where are you guys at

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Speaker 3: in the country.

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Speaker 11: We're just north of Falgan at the moment. But I

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Speaker 11: just want to make a few corrections of sequois and

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Speaker 11: about the treaty principles. Though it's about tvty or White

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Speaker 11: tonguey and that's not a protest, that's an activation of

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Speaker 11: TV marty.

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Speaker 3: Oh, so what are you talking about? The treaty for.

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Speaker 11: Begaether it's a constitutional document that protects the man, but

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Speaker 11: also as well allowed non Mary to make a home here.

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Speaker 11: And we're reminding everyone that lives on these lands of

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Speaker 11: that truth and standing in that power and that Mama

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Speaker 11: through every step of the sequoy.

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Speaker 3: It's got nothing at all to do with the Treaty Principal's.

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Speaker 11: Bill, not nothing, but a very minor part, because the

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Speaker 11: Treaty Principal's Bill is but a bleink of an eye

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Speaker 11: in the pursuit of and it's really just a symptom

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Speaker 11: of along how ignorance around the truth obtort to your

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Speaker 11: white thinging. And so that's all were reclaiming. We're not reacting,

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Speaker 11: but we are responding. But that plays a very little part.

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Speaker 11: And the sequey and the sequeys as the platform for deeper,

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Speaker 11: meaningful change in for but also all people's to be

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Speaker 11: able to live on the land and truly thrive in

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Speaker 11: the land where no one has left behind.

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Speaker 3: Cool. Okay, So is that why you're not meeting with

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Speaker 3: David Seamore because it's actually not about his build this,

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Speaker 3: it's just about general good vibes around the treaty.

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Speaker 11: Well, I think that's oversimplifying it. Talking about general good vibes.

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Speaker 11: This is the manner of my ancestors. I mean this

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Speaker 11: is a mana that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but is that why you're not meeting with David sewink.

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Speaker 11: I haven't been asked to meet with David seymore so,

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Speaker 11: I don't know why there would be an insinuation that

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Speaker 11: I've refused any invite.

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Speaker 3: I didn't I hear you this morning on the radio

872
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 3: saying you don't want to be at as beacon call.

873
00:39:59,360 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 5: No.

874
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 11: The question was whether I would consider an invitation to

875
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 11: meet with him, and I said no, Well I haven't

876
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 11: actually invited to.

877
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Speaker 1: Speak with him.

878
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Speaker 3: Okay, how many people are you hoping to get a million? Okay? Ero,

879
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 3: thank you, good luck? Ero KAPPAKINGI HEKOI leader, fun guy

880
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,959
Speaker 3: coming up? Fourteen past together due for ce Ellen Crown

881
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 3: Observer appointed to Wellington City Council. Who is it Lindsay

882
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:29,760
Speaker 3: McKenzie Now Lindsay McKenzie is going to be starting thirteen

883
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 3: November on Wednesday. Lindsay is a bloke, by the way,

884
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 3: in case you're wondering, Former Chief Executive Officer Tasman District Council,

885
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Speaker 3: Gismond District Council, Significant governance and senior and leadership experience

886
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,760
Speaker 3: a local government which is good when in Bakago City Council.

887
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 3: This is Simeon Brown's press release, just hot off the press,

888
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 3: like literally two minutes ago, was facing governance issues. Mister

889
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 3: mackenzie was called upon as an external appointee to support

890
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 3: its governance performance improvement program. He also has strong financial acumen,

891
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 3: which is reflected in his current appointment as an independent

892
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 3: member of the Nelson City Council Risk and Finance Committee.

893
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 3: So he's got a lot of experience which he will

894
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 3: need because Wellington City Council is a cot case And

895
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 3: if you haven't caught up on the latest thing that's happened,

896
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 3: I'll run you through that before this hour is finished.

897
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 3: For it's coming up quarter pass now, isn't it? Listen up?

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899
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Speaker 3: a luxury train in South Africa with none other than

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904
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Speaker 3: So what happens is you'll be departing in August next year,

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Speaker 3: this isn't just any holiday. You're going to be spotting lions, elephants,

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Speaker 3: rhinos and the Kruger, watching hundreds of animals gather at

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Speaker 3: water holes in Zimbabushangi National Park and then sipping sundown

909
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Speaker 3: is on a Zambezi River cruise before visiting the magnificent

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Speaker 3: Victoria Falls. How good does that sound? You're going to

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Speaker 1: Book Heather do for Sila.

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00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 3: Okay, eighteen past five. Now, apparently the seagulls been talking

922
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 3: to you about The seagulls are a major problem in

923
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 3: christ Church, particularly around New Region Street. They've been there

924
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 3: for five years, been nesting in the foundations of a

925
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 3: nearby demolished building. Now that's causing havoc for the local

926
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,240
Speaker 3: cafes and restaurants because the birds dive bombing the customers

927
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 3: and stealing food off the tables and living their poop

928
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Speaker 3: absolutely everywhere. Bell Cafe is on New Regent Street and

929
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 3: its manager Casey Alderson, it's with us now, Hey, Casey, Hi,

930
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,479
Speaker 3: this sounds horrific. Are they actually dive bombing the kids?

931
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 11: Uh?

932
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, basically, so if there's any food scraps anywhere, they

933
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 7: will immediately dive bomb and take whatever they can get.

934
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Speaker 7: But also small children don't freak them out that much,

935
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Speaker 7: so they're not hesitant to swoop down in front of

936
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Speaker 7: a small child and take whatever they have in front

937
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Speaker 7: of their play Also no, okay, so.

938
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Speaker 3: Is this I mean, is this getting worse? Do you

939
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 3: think it's a trend of it getting worse or is

940
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 3: it a little bit like a mast season, like every

941
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 3: now and again, just get a really bad year and

942
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 3: then it kind of goes back to normal.

943
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 7: I believe that it's getting worse because the seagulls migrate

944
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 7: to the same place every year to nest, and so

945
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 7: because they've been in the area the last couple of years,

946
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 7: they just keep coming back and bringing everyone else with them.

947
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Speaker 3: Okay, now is it weird to you that the council

948
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Speaker 3: can do nothing about this because seagulls are protected.

949
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 11: Ah.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, So the seagulls are protected from their nesting season,

951
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Speaker 7: which is October through to February, so for the rest

952
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 7: of the year, something can be done about it.

953
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you want done about it? Casey?

954
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 7: Well, ideally I would really love for the seagulls to

955
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 7: be back within nature or go towards the water, or

956
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,240
Speaker 7: just kind of be out of urban area.

957
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,240
Speaker 3: How do you get a seagull to go back towards

958
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 3: the water? Do you just go stand there going go

959
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 3: that way? That way?

960
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Speaker 20: Oh?

961
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 7: I wish it would be that simple. But yeah, we

962
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 7: need to kind of put a proportion in place so

963
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 7: the next year when they come around to ness, they

964
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Speaker 7: can go somewhere that isn't among hospitality businesses.

965
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Speaker 3: What do you reckon?

966
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Speaker 1: You do?

967
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 5: What do you do?

968
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Speaker 3: Put up some knitting?

969
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, there's a whole bunch of preventative measures that

970
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 7: we can try to put into place, but we have

971
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 7: been dealing with us for the last four years so

972
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 7: so far nothing we've thought of has actually worked. So

973
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 7: any ideas would be very helpful.

974
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 3: Well, I mean all of the ideas that I would

975
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 3: suggest to you, Casey, would be ideas that will probably

976
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 3: get me in trouble with Doc. So we're not going

977
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 3: to have them on the air, but thank you for that.

978
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Speaker 3: That's Casey Orderson Bell Cafe, New Regent Street. You know

979
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 3: what I'm thinking. The seagulls just leave it. They don't

980
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 3: shouldn't be protected. We'll just leave it there. Five twenty

981
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 3: one Heather.

982
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 2: Duplicy Allen cutting through the noise to get the facts.

983
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 2: It's Heather Duplicy Allen drive with one New Zealand. Let's

984
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 2: get connected and you talk as they'd be.

985
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 3: Five twenty three of 've Beck is going to be

986
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 3: with us, part of the city. I'm responsible for that

987
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 3: Christmas tree. She'll defend it when she's with us in

988
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,720
Speaker 3: about fifteen minutes. So I'm now listen. If the reports

989
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 3: are true and Donald Trump really is preparing to pull

990
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 3: out of the Paris Agreement again, I suspect that they're

991
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 3: going to be a few world leaders actually secretly breathing

992
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 3: a sigh of relief. Now, before I get to why,

993
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 3: I think that I just need to bring you up

994
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 3: to speed on this. Right, If you feel like this

995
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 3: is deja vous, absolutely fair enough, because Trump has done

996
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 3: this before. He pulled out of the Paris Agreement. This

997
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,720
Speaker 3: is a climate agreement the last time that he was president,

998
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 3: but he left it too late, and he pretty much

999
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,879
Speaker 3: pulled out like after he said it and train while

1000
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 3: he was the president, but in that pulled out after

1001
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 3: he was the president, and the US basically just rejoined

1002
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 3: again quickly, so really ultimately made no difference apparently though

1003
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 3: learned is less and keen to do it again, going

1004
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 3: to be smarter about it this time. And it's being

1005
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 3: reported by the New York Times that his team are

1006
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 3: already preparing the paperwork to pull out of this thing. Now,

1007
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 3: let's be clear about this, right, If he pulls out

1008
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 3: of the Paris Agreement, this is terrible for global efforts

1009
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 3: to fight climate change, because unless the whole world does

1010
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,240
Speaker 3: this thing together, it's not going to work. It's pretty

1011
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 3: much everybody or nobody, and the US absolutely has got

1012
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 3: to be part of it because it is the world's

1013
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 3: second largest polluter. Right, If the second largest polluter is

1014
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 3: not there, what's the point in the rest of us

1015
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 3: doing anything. But on the other hand, if we're honest

1016
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 3: about it, the agreement isn't working, is it. I mean,

1017
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 3: it's demonstrably not working, right, because we're not going to

1018
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 3: make the one point five degree temperature target. There was

1019
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 3: a whole point of the Paris Agreement. We're not going

1020
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 3: to make that. We're looking at two degrees now for

1021
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 3: global warming. The world's biggest polluter, China, is building coal

1022
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 3: powered plants at a giant rate of knots, which suggests

1023
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 3: it's not really trying either. If it's not really trying,

1024
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 3: why the hell are we trying. And we are trying.

1025
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 3: We're trying a lot for New Zealand, a lot of

1026
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 3: other countries are also trying. I mean, at the moment,

1027
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 3: we're talking about the unbelievable situation that we've got a

1028
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 3: couple of our biggest banks in this country forcing our

1029
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 3: dairy farmers to cut their emissions if they want to

1030
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 3: have money lent to them by more than what the

1031
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 3: Australians are cutting their emissions, and we as a country

1032
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 3: face a bill I'm not sure if you're aware of this,

1033
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 3: but if we do not meet our targets in six

1034
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 3: years time, which we are not going to, we will

1035
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 3: have to pay a bill of twenty four billion dollars

1036
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 3: to some other country to plant some trees for us

1037
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 3: so that we can actually meet our target. Or we're

1038
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 3: just gonna have to get rid of all our sheep

1039
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 3: and beef farms and plant some trees ourselves. And that's

1040
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 3: really gonna stuff us, isn't it. So I don't know

1041
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,359
Speaker 3: about you, but this looks to me like it's one

1042
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 3: of these kinds of awkward things where you're like, yeah,

1043
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 3: I want to do good by the climate, but jeez,

1044
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 3: I could use that twenty four billion dollars rather than

1045
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 3: giving it to Brazil or whoever. I could use it

1046
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 3: to hire some doctors, or maybe build some roads or

1047
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 3: I don't know, pull some kids out of poverty in

1048
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 3: New Zealand. Now, I suspect that there are quite a

1049
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 3: few countries like us who can see already the thing's

1050
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 3: not working and we will never meet the goal that

1051
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 3: we've set ourselves, and starting to lose a bit of hope,

1052
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 3: and I just wonder if what happens is he pulls

1053
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 3: out this is Trump in January next year or whenever,

1054
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 3: and a lot of politicians publicly tell him off and

1055
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 3: say it's a terrible thing that he's done, but secretly

1056
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 3: relieved as all hell to be off the hook on

1057
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 3: a plan that isn't working.

1058
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Speaker 1: Heather Duplessy Ellen, You've got to go see.

1059
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 3: Crowded House in Auckland the Saturday. I saw them in

1060
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 3: a crowded House in Wellington on Saturday was one of

1061
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 3: the best concerts even Nick, thank you'll think about it.

1062
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 3: I went to see Pearl Jam on Friday. What surprised

1063
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:14,359
Speaker 3: me about and the reason this is connected, is because

1064
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 3: one of the Finns was there. Liam was there and

1065
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 3: he's a member of Crowded House. Now I don't know.

1066
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 3: He must have gone to the Mount Smart and then

1067
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,320
Speaker 3: flown straight down to Wellington. Anyway, what surprised me was

1068
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,240
Speaker 3: the number of young people who were at the concert,

1069
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 3: Like there were a lot of them who one hundred

1070
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 3: percent would not have been around when Pearl Jam were

1071
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 3: around the first time, when they were big. Anyway, So

1072
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 3: I was with this group of people camp and James

1073
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 3: was there. I know James. James brought his twenty one

1074
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 3: year old daughter there. She was not around the first

1075
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 3: time that that Pearl Jam were around. So Pearl Jam

1076
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 3: at the stage, she comes running over to us and

1077
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 3: she's like, dad, where's this guy from? This is Eddie

1078
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 3: Vedder and she goes what state is he from? And

1079
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 3: James the father says, well, he's from Seattle. Also, it's

1080
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:58,399
Speaker 3: from Washington, and she goes, I drank with him last

1081
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 3: night at ding Dong on Krow and then the guitarists

1082
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 3: came on and she's like, oh, he was there too,

1083
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 3: And then she remembered that they had offered her she

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Speaker 3: doesn't know who they are. At ding Dong, they'd offered her,

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Speaker 3: apparently tickets to the free free tickets to the Pearl

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Speaker 3: Jam concert. She'd said to them, Nah, actually don't like

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00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 3: Pearl Jam. So comes to New Zealand. When we tell

1088
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Speaker 3: them some time truths they don't actually like Pearl Jam.

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Speaker 3: Go to the concert anyway. Headline's next.

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Speaker 2: Hard questions, that's a strong opinion. He a duper See

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Speaker 2: Allen Drive with one New Zealand. Let's get connected and

1092
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 2: news talk as it'd be you.

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Speaker 17: Yell cold.

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Speaker 3: The huddle is standing by Michael Willis is going to

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Speaker 3: be with us after six.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you realize this, but we may

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Speaker 3: actually have a bit of an inn with Donald Trump

1099
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Speaker 3: as a country. Collectively, we may have an in with

1100
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Speaker 3: Donald Trump because Elon loves Luxem and Elon's gotten in

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Speaker 3: with Trump. Do you remember Elon has twice now on

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Speaker 3: Twitter has called out, oh, Chris lucksonman, like I really

1103
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 3: like this dude. This dude is really cool. Now that's

1104
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Speaker 3: actually quite like you might go, oh, who cares well Trump?

1105
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Speaker 3: He is the kind of guy who what did I

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Speaker 3: say to you earlier in the program. He's as good

1107
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Speaker 3: as the last person who spoke to So if he's like, ah,

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Speaker 3: I have to meet with this guy Chris from New

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Speaker 3: Zealand and Elon's like, what that guy, he's a cool guy,

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Speaker 3: at that point Trump will be like, oh great, okay,

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Speaker 3: Luxeon's and basically he works like that. So anyway, we're

1112
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Speaker 3: gonna talk to Nicola about that when she's with us

1113
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 3: just after six o'clock And also, good New Simeon Brown's

1114
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Speaker 3: picked up the phone and he's happy to come on

1115
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Speaker 3: the show. I have a chat to us in an

1116
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,760
Speaker 3: hour's time about this chap. Lindsay. He's just been appointed

1117
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 3: as the Crown Monitor to Wellington City Council and the

1118
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Speaker 3: work that he's got cut up for a man twenty

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Speaker 3: three away from six.

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Speaker 1: Forge do to see Ellen.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely brown Marry, isn't it. But unfortunately the Auklan rate

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Speaker 3: Payers Alliance is really not getting into the mood of

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Speaker 3: things and they're all bar humbug at an enormous Christmas

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Speaker 3: tree that's going to go up in central Wellington at

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Speaker 3: the bottom of Central Auckland sorry, at bottom of Queen Street.

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Speaker 3: That's stressed about the thing costing one point two to

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Speaker 3: one point three million dollars, most of which comes from

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Speaker 3: the council. Part of the city is also putting some

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Speaker 3: cash towards it, and the chief executive, Viv Becker's with us, Hey,

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Speaker 3: Viv hello, Now Viv. I was all like, oh, you

1131
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:18,839
Speaker 3: know cost per year, it's fine, but then somebody sent

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Speaker 3: me a text for then they said, you are putting

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Speaker 3: in four hundred thousand. You and precing properties, You're putting

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Speaker 3: in four hundy. The Council's putting in four hundy and

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Speaker 3: then every year it's going to cost us four hundred

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Speaker 3: thousand to put the thing up.

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Speaker 10: And put take it down.

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Speaker 3: No, ill, No.

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Speaker 21: And the first thing is council is putting in a

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Speaker 21: contribution of the city Center targeted rate, which is paid

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Speaker 21: for by city center property owners, businesses and residents. It's

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Speaker 21: not being paid for out of general rates, so the

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Speaker 21: Auckland rate payer outside the city Center is not paying

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Speaker 21: for this, but we'd love them to come and enjoy it.

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Speaker 21: So this is money, and in terms of the operating cost,

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Speaker 21: so count what's happened is that you might remember a

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Speaker 21: bit of an outcry when we retire center a few

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Speaker 21: years ago. We always said we would bring another significant

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Speaker 21: attraction for Christmas to the city Center. It's been a

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Speaker 21: bit of a long, sad process for us because of

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Speaker 21: COVID and a whole lot of things you won't want

1152
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Speaker 21: to hear about that. The reality is what's exciting about

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Speaker 21: this is the partnership with precinct properties and councils support

1154
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Speaker 21: recognizing the importance of rejuvenating the city center with the

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Speaker 21: targeted rate contribution means we can do something bigger, better, brighter.

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Speaker 21: We're coming out of ten years of construction, COVID, the

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Speaker 21: worst impacts in the country, all the stuff you know

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Speaker 21: well about. We are aspiring to be an international city

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Speaker 21: and we want to do something fabulous. And the operating

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Speaker 21: cost Council has said will support the first few years

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Speaker 21: as a contribution with our heart of the city and

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Speaker 21: precinct properties, and then you're on your own. So they

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Speaker 21: are not contributing beyond some initial obviously the share of

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Speaker 21: the purchase, which you're right, it does need to be

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Speaker 21: considered over the term of the investment. And look at

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Speaker 21: Sandre lasted sixty years, so we're not making a promise

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Speaker 21: to have the tree for sixty years. But the realist

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Speaker 21: we want it to be an enduring investment. We want

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Speaker 21: kids to come and love it and enjoy it for many,

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Speaker 21: many years to come. Okay, so how much does the

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Speaker 21: tree actually cost one point two for million.

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Speaker 3: And how much is the putting up and getting it

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Speaker 3: down cost?

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Speaker 21: Well, that varies a bit, it's not I haven't got

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Speaker 21: those exact figures in front of me. But the council

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Speaker 21: targeted rates share contributes towards what precinct in us are

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Speaker 21: putting in now and for at least the next year

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Speaker 21: or so, depending on how much it ends up exactly

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Speaker 21: costing on an ongoing basis, and we don't exactly know

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Speaker 21: that yet, but where it'll be put up locally with

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Speaker 21: the local resources, and we want it to be as

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Speaker 21: streamlined as and cost effective as possible.

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Speaker 3: Okayv thank you very much, appreciate your time. That's Viv Beck,

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Speaker 3: Heart of the City, Chief Executive. This was the text, Heather.

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Speaker 3: Only the purchase price of four twenty thousand can be

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00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 3: spread over ten years. The other four hundred thousand is

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Speaker 3: per year for putting it up and putting it down.

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Speaker 3: That's successive. Don't send me lies like that because now

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00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 3: look I gave the lie to Vivid. Now we had

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Speaker 3: to deal with the lie. At least we shot the

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Speaker 3: lie down. But be sure about your stuff. In four

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Speaker 3: hundred thousand pot a tree up, Mate's that's a lot

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Speaker 3: of money. Twenty away from six.

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Speaker 2: The Huddle with New Zealand Southerby's international realty, local and

1195
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 2: global exposure like no other.

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Speaker 3: I'm the huddle with me this evening. Tris Sharson of Sheerson,

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Speaker 3: Willis pr and Dave Latally Butterban Motivation. Hello are you too?

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Speaker 14: Hello?

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Speaker 3: Now what do you think of this? Trisua? Are you

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00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 3: cool with tree?

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Speaker 22: I'm actually cool with the tree.

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Speaker 3: Me too, I'm cool with it, you know.

1203
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Speaker 22: I think if every time we try and do something

1204
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 22: as an international city, we get all mingji over are

1205
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 22: we spending a dollar fifty or not? That's why we're

1206
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 22: going backwards at a great rate of nots. And I

1207
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,720
Speaker 22: do think this is, you know, in the biggest scheme

1208
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,320
Speaker 22: of things, is actually a small step to try and

1209
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 22: get people back into the city, and especially to try

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Speaker 22: and get families back into the city.

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Speaker 3: What are you making those noises for?

1212
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 5: So I didn't think you could hear me. No, I

1213
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 5: just think, you know, I mean, it's when you have

1214
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 5: the City Mission, right, they've got funding toil awkward. City

1215
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,320
Speaker 5: Mission have funding until until Christmas. Then they have to

1216
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 5: cut thousands of people that will no longer be able

1217
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Speaker 5: to get support from them. It just seems like it's

1218
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 5: just such a waste of money. And then I and

1219
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 5: then you know, listening to the interviews, it's like they're

1220
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 5: just dressing up Mutton as I am because I don't

1221
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:34,879
Speaker 5: want my family go into the city.

1222
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 1: There's no way.

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00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 5: Look at Christmas, sure not because it's so unsafe there

1224
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:39,479
Speaker 5: at the moment.

1225
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Speaker 3: But that's the point, that's the point. It's like we're

1226
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Speaker 3: gonna flood. We want all the families to come and

1227
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 3: flood out the bad guys.

1228
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Speaker 5: Yeah, but you've got to look at You've got to

1229
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 5: you've got to fix the issues out Are there some

1230
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 5: deep rooted issues there and it just seems like this

1231
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Speaker 5: is just it's just a waste of money. I mean,

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's cool, but it's a waste of money

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00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 5: to me. We've got bigger problems to.

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Speaker 3: Solve now, Dave, does it make it any better if

1235
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:01,840
Speaker 3: the money was literally taken for this, Like if you

1236
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:03,720
Speaker 3: go out there and you go listen businesses and residents,

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00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 3: we're getting a targeted rate to try to do nice

1238
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 3: things to make the city look nice, and then you

1239
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:10,320
Speaker 3: use it for that. Does that make it better to you?

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00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 11: Yeah?

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00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:13,800
Speaker 5: I mean that makes it a bit better. Problem is

1242
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 5: it taken all the parking away so you can't park

1243
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:16,280
Speaker 5: then a shop anyway?

1244
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 3: You just got general gripes of the councilor I mean,

1245
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:19,800
Speaker 3: so do we we all do?

1246
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 23: Really?

1247
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 11: Yeah?

1248
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:25,359
Speaker 22: And I'm probably very much on the on the love

1249
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 22: of Christmas ballble side of things. I am a massive

1250
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 22: Christmas person. Always do the Franklin Road Christmas lights.

1251
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 3: Do you let just love the whole vibe. Don't you

1252
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 3: hate those people on Franklin Road who just put up

1253
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 3: icycles and they're like they think that's enough. You're like,

1254
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 3: I have come and traffic jammed outside your house at

1255
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 3: eleven o'clock at night for more than that.

1256
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 22: But listen here this year, you you better bring your game. Yeah,

1257
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 22: you better bring your game to those Franklin Road lights.

1258
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:50,800
Speaker 22: It's all been sitting here talking about.

1259
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 3: The ice skills.

1260
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 22: But come come the day before when you're in a

1261
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 22: panic and you've sent you know, your lovely husband off

1262
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 22: to the warehouse. That's not gonna be good enough.

1263
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:00,359
Speaker 1: Dave?

1264
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 3: What do you make of the speak of banning and

1265
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 3: then unbanning a journalist?

1266
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 5: I just think it's just taken away from the apology

1267
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 5: To me, I mean, it's why are we so? It's

1268
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 5: just yeah, I mean it's just why are we're worrying

1269
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 5: about this? That the big thing is the is the apology?

1270
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 5: And then what's going to come after it? I think

1271
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 5: they need I mean, they can fast track everything else.

1272
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 5: They had to fast track this too.

1273
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 3: What do you make of this stretch this? I mean,

1274
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 3: in terms of banning a journalist, it's a really big

1275
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 3: call to make, right and it doesn't feel like it

1276
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 3: was made with any evidence. It feels weird. I agree

1277
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 3: with you.

1278
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:36,439
Speaker 22: Feels odd and it's a very big, a big move

1279
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 22: to have come out. And look, I haven't followed this

1280
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 22: at all, but the fact that this is a journal

1281
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 22: who has followed this this along since weird. I think

1282
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 22: it is a real shame. It's detracting from tomorrow. And

1283
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 22: one of the things that I sensed from Erica Stanford

1284
00:57:56,480 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 22: was the build up already of the emotion around tomorrow

1285
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 22: on all sides, but particularly that the government wants to

1286
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 22: make sure that this does have the the seriousness and

1287
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 22: the sort of reverence that the day deserves for the survivors.

1288
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so, okay, we'll take a break, come

1289
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 3: back to these two ands. Just to take sixteen away

1290
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 3: from six.

1291
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Speaker 2: The huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty, elevate the

1292
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Speaker 2: marketing of your home all right.

1293
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 3: Back with a hardle Dave Lettalian Tricius and now Dave

1294
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 3: Donald Trump has made has made some really big calls already.

1295
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 3: He's told Pooty not to escalate the war in Ukraine

1296
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 3: and apparently he's preparing to pull out of the Paris agreement.

1297
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Speaker 3: How do you feel about this?

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Speaker 5: I just, you know, and can't be surprised about it.

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Speaker 5: It's you know, I think we all have to do

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Speaker 5: our bit. It's just but I'm not surprised he's doing that.

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Speaker 3: No, what do you think, Trisha?

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Speaker 22: Well, I wanted to bring my hat in today so

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Speaker 22: I could eat it after last week predicting I was

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Speaker 22: not going.

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Speaker 3: To raise attrition. You've raised it. You've put the egg

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Speaker 3: on your own magnanimous.

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Speaker 22: But this is exactly a re This is just David

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Speaker 22: deja vux. Remember the last time Trump got the presidency,

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Speaker 22: he spent several days in the White House with the

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Speaker 22: cameras rolling, signing presidential decrees for all of this kind

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Speaker 22: of stuff.

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Speaker 3: So, you know, just I'd pull up the popcorn and now, okay,

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Speaker 3: tell me while we've got you here and you've raised it,

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Speaker 3: so now I can deal with it. Why why were

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00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:28,919
Speaker 3: you so convinced that that comment? Was it wishful thinking?

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00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 22: I have to admit I think a part of it

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00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 22: probably was thinking. However, what the other reasons that I

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00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 22: was basing What I was basing that prediction on was

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Speaker 22: I was dubious about Trump's ability to drive out young

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Speaker 22: male voters because they don't vote, and Carmela had gone

1321
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 22: so strong into the young woman voters. I was basing

1322
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 22: it on the fact that it was so tight, and

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Speaker 22: I felt like in that last few days, probably like

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Speaker 22: a lot of people who called it the wrong way,

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Speaker 22: in the end, it felt like Trump had run out

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Speaker 22: of steam. And in fact, when you looked at him

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Speaker 22: at those final rallies, he looked absolutely rooted. We're allowed

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Speaker 22: to say that, but there was a technical political term.

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Speaker 22: He looked absolutely exhausted, and she looked like she was

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Speaker 22: really just starting to hit her straps.

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Speaker 3: Looking at it now, though, you know, the Democrats.

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Speaker 22: The one thing I did think about KRMLA Harris, I

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Speaker 22: felt like, was there a bit of disindomania there, Like

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Speaker 22: there was a lot of good, you know, good smiles

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Speaker 22: and nice feelings, but that wasn't actually reflecting back to

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Speaker 22: the majority of American voters the kind of anger that

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Speaker 22: they were feeling, and they wanted to see a presidential

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Speaker 22: candidate who was actually representing and voicing that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, totally. I mean, I think feels a great

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Speaker 3: feels don't pay the bills.

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Speaker 5: They do that Trump Trump appealed to the working class

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Speaker 5: to that for people that were just angry with how

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Speaker 5: everything has gotten worse for them. He appealed, he spoke

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Speaker 5: to them, and they turned out.

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Speaker 3: You know, yeah, how much do you reckon, Dave? How

1346
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 3: much of it was an economic vote versus an anti

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Speaker 3: woke vote?

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Speaker 24: Oh?

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Speaker 3: How too?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, a lot anti woke. I think it's interesting seeing

1351
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Speaker 5: that all the celebrities come out for come out, but

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Speaker 5: it didn't do anything.

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Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, Trisha, if he pulls out of the

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Speaker 3: Paris Agreement, how do you feel about that?

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Speaker 22: Well, he did it before, and then the question is

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Speaker 22: for everyone else, well.

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Speaker 1: What do we do what?

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Speaker 3: Because the reason I'm asking you is because the nationals

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Speaker 3: over in Australia are already putting pressure on Peter Dutton

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Speaker 3: to also then pull out or rethink it all together.

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Speaker 21: Yes, and I heard your.

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Speaker 22: Editorial actually just writing in, and you know, there are

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Speaker 22: great reasons for everyone around the world to go, oh,

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01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 22: great relief. Now we can start to paddle our own woker.

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Speaker 22: But I guess my question around this stuff is the

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Speaker 22: only way we're going to solve it is is if

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Speaker 22: humanity comes together, and the stupidity of humanity is that

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01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 22: we take our short term you know, things that we

1369
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 22: want over the long term and selfishness, your selfishness, and

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Speaker 22: that's exactly what Trump is doing here.

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Speaker 3: Dave, does Liam Lawson have a point that we should

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Speaker 3: be playing the national anthem? Our national anthem? When McLaren wins.

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Speaker 5: I'm not. I haven't really followed. I mean, I couldn't

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Speaker 5: care less, to be honest, How.

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Speaker 3: Dave, how can you be like this? You're in New

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Speaker 3: Zealand aroundt you. I mean we should be. We're always

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Speaker 3: excited every time in New Zealand. It does like farts

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Speaker 3: on the national stage of the global stage, like you

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Speaker 3: play the anthem?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I mean play it. Yeah, I mean I'm

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01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 5: just more worried about everything else that we've got going on.

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Speaker 3: So well, Yeah, I really love this.

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Speaker 22: I loved it because I love I love Drive to Survive,

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01:02:58,960 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 22: I love formula.

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Speaker 3: You are the second person in two days to tell

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Speaker 3: me that it's awesome. Absolutely love it. I love it.

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Speaker 22: But I also love Liam Lawson like to become an

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Speaker 22: F one driver. We think getting to the All Blacks

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Speaker 22: is amazing. This is needle in a hasting kind of country.

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Speaker 22: He's bided his time, He's now got a seat. But

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Speaker 22: also I love this position that he's taken, because it

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Speaker 22: kind of sets him apart. And you know what, it

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01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 22: also says, Hey, I'm from New Zealand and I'm really

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Speaker 22: proud to represent the country.

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Speaker 3: I think it's alsome. Go aham, what a great call, Tris,

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Speaker 3: you want me over? I love you are so easily

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Speaker 3: won over.

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Speaker 22: That's a great win for today day.

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Speaker 3: You will take that, guys, Thank you, really appreciated. Tris

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Speaker 3: Shurson Shurson, Willis pr and Dave Letelly butter bean motivation.

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01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 3: It's eight away from six.

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Speaker 1: Red or blue, Trump or Harrison? Who will win the

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01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 1: battleground states.

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Speaker 2: The latest on the US election is Heather duple c

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Speaker 2: allan drive with one New Zealand let's get connected.

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Speaker 1: Youth talks be.

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Speaker 3: Hither of humanity pulled together would do exactly nothing for

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Speaker 3: the world's climate. Dump the Paris Agreement.

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Speaker 5: Good on.

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Speaker 3: Trump did a lot of people. I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 3: There are a lot of people who'll be like, I

1412
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 3: don't believe in Clanet Kang. They will love it, obviously,

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01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 3: but then there'll be a whole lot of other people

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01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 3: who are pretty rational about this and go, well, I

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01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 3: don't know that this is the solution. If New Zealand's

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01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:27,400
Speaker 3: going to be spending twenty four billion dollars on something

1417
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 3: that's actually going to achieve, sweet fa and you over

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01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:32,720
Speaker 3: there China are going to keep building your coal power plants,

1419
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:34,560
Speaker 3: and you over there the US is pulled out, you know,

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Speaker 3: And I'm very honest with you, I'm in that category.

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01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 3: I'd see no point in staying in the Paris Agreement

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01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 3: just to waste money if it's not going to achieve anything.

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Speaker 3: So I think he will actually end up with quite

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Speaker 3: a large group. I don't know how big the climate

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Speaker 3: change deny a group is anymore, but I reckon the

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01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 3: stop wasting money group that I belong to is quite big.

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Speaker 3: Twenty four away from six. Now, I'm going to talk

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Speaker 3: to Nikola Willis when she's with us shortly about this.

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Speaker 3: IID privacy breach because this makes I can I understand this.

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Speaker 3: I can understand a mistake where you hand over two

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Speaker 3: hundred and seventy thousand people, two hundred and seventy thousand people, Yes,

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Speaker 3: that's the right sentences, two hundred and seventy thousand taxpayers

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Speaker 3: details right, So I kind of understand you made a mistake.

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Speaker 3: You gave them our contact details and our names and

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Speaker 3: our ages and our birthdates and blah blah everything. I

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01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 3: get that that's a mistake whoops. But I don't understand

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01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 3: why when you have that detail and you can just

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01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 3: get hit me up and be like yo here that

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01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 3: you haven't paid your tax bill, why you need to instead?

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01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 3: That's free, that doesn't cost you anything. But then why

1441
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:32,560
Speaker 3: you feel like you've got to give them money to

1442
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:34,640
Speaker 3: Facebook so they can take an ad and target me

1443
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:36,480
Speaker 3: just in case I look at Facebook, which I don't

1444
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Speaker 3: look at anymore. I don't get that, So maybe she

1445
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:40,840
Speaker 3: can explain that to us when she's with us shortly

1446
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:43,840
Speaker 3: on Sam and Brown. So I was going to tell

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Speaker 3: you what's happened. The council's at it again. This is

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Speaker 3: the Wellington City Council because two councilors have now written

1449
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:51,800
Speaker 3: to the mayor, Tory Fino, asking her to do something.

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01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 3: But she's tourist, so she I'm gonna do nothing. She

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01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:56,440
Speaker 3: doesn't like hard work. They've asked her to take appropriate

1452
01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 3: action because another counselor who's not elected. This is the

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Speaker 3: mon affair to a counselor, Liz Kelly, has had a

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Speaker 3: cracket and another counselor Diane Calvert apparently been aggressive and

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01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:09,480
Speaker 3: confrontational after a meeting, raised her voice, stood called Calvert

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01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:12,360
Speaker 3: a liar, moved towards Calvert in a threatening manner. Now

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Speaker 3: Liz Liz Kelly says she did not do that, but

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Speaker 3: she did say she was annoyed about false information and

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Speaker 3: she will keep calling out the false information and I

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01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:25,320
Speaker 3: will no longer remain quiet. So when she says she

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Speaker 3: didn't do it, I get the vibe though, that something

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Speaker 3: did happen because she's all like that, I'm going to

1463
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 3: stand out for it, aren't I anyway, So you can

1464
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:34,280
Speaker 3: decide for yourself what happened. Will probably never really know.

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Speaker 3: Tory is never going to do anything about it. But

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Speaker 3: it's vindication that Daddy Simeon, absolute vindication for Daddy Simeon

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Speaker 3: that he's bringing the babysitizen to deal with this, and

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Speaker 3: we'll talk to him about that. Half plus six News

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Speaker 3: Talks eb.

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Speaker 1: Can keeping tracking where the money as you are.

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Speaker 2: Without a business hour, we'd had the duplicy Ellen and

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Speaker 2: my eight on News Talks Evening.

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Speaker 3: Coming up in the next hour, mark lista shortly on

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Speaker 3: how long we should expect the Trump market run to continue,

1475
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 3: Simeon Brown on the man that he's picked a babysit

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Speaker 3: Wellington City Council. He's with us after half past six,

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Speaker 3: and Gavin Gray's with us out of the UK as

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Speaker 3: well at seven pass six. Nikola Willis, of course, is

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Speaker 3: the Finance Minister. Hi Nikola, Hello, heav are you doing

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Speaker 3: anything about this IID privacy breach?

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Speaker 23: Look, the IID have obviously made that information known to

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Speaker 23: the Privacy Commissioner and it's now a matter for the

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Speaker 23: Privacy Commissioner.

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Speaker 3: Did they explain to you how this happened?

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Speaker 23: They have given me a briefing at their view that

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01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:44,680
Speaker 23: this is a small error and they are doing what's

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Speaker 23: right in the situation, which is they're sharing all of

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Speaker 23: the information with the Privacy Commissioner so that they can

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Speaker 23: make any findings that may be necessary.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what I find weird about this and

1491
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 3: can't quite get my head around, is if they have

1492
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Speaker 3: got all of this information on us, and they do.

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Speaker 3: If they've got all this information on us and they

1494
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:01,880
Speaker 3: need to get ahold of us, why aren't they just

1495
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:03,680
Speaker 3: getting a hold of us? Why are they giving the

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Speaker 3: information to Facebook and LinkedIn and these guys try to

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Speaker 3: get a hold of us.

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Speaker 23: Well, there's two separate things here. The first is, yes,

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Speaker 23: they can get hold of us they want to. The

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Speaker 23: second thing is often what IID want to make sure

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Speaker 23: people have is good information about their tax entitlements and obligations.

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Speaker 23: And so they have historically used social media as a

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Speaker 23: way of targeting information at relevant taxpayers. They've obviously reviewed

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Speaker 23: the way that they've done that, They've made a decision

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Speaker 23: not to do that anymore, in line with their commitment

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Speaker 23: to upholding the highest standards of privacy.

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Speaker 3: And that's a good thing. Yeah, but I don't get it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, so if they're like, Okay, Heather needs to

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Speaker 3: Heather needs to know that she needs to pay her

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Speaker 3: taxes by the end of the financial year, why don't

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Speaker 3: they just send me an email? Why are they giving money?

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Speaker 23: Took Not everyone opens their email do that? And people

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Speaker 23: spend a lot of time scrolling on Facebook and social media.

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Speaker 23: Think it's simply about the IID trying to bring information

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Speaker 23: to where pelas.

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Speaker 3: But surely you're going to have a higher chance of

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Speaker 3: the person opening the email than the person potentially seeing

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Speaker 3: it on Facebook.

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Speaker 23: Well, look, I think the nature of this kind of

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Speaker 23: advertising was that they were able to target particular information

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Speaker 23: at groups of people to whom it was bellaviat.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's literally what you do with an email, which

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Speaker 3: is free.

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Speaker 23: Look, I don't think the IID would have done this

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Speaker 23: practice unless they believe that it was a better way

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Speaker 23: to get information.

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Speaker 3: Really, now you have too much confidence and then they

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01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:33,360
Speaker 3: just hand it over the details or two hundred and

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Speaker 3: seventy thousand people to these guys.

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Speaker 23: I don't think that's right. They have assured me that

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Speaker 23: they scrubbed data in a way that no one's individual.

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Speaker 3: Not in the case of the two hundred, not in

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Speaker 3: the case of the quarter million, right, in the case

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Speaker 3: of the quarter million, they just hand it over all data.

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Speaker 23: Well, in this case, I want New Zealanders who are

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01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:56,760
Speaker 23: listening to your show to know that their individual tax

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01:09:56,840 --> 01:10:00,439
Speaker 23: information hasn't been compromised. There has been an you here

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01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:03,000
Speaker 23: that has been brought to the attention of the Privacy Commissioner,

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01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 23: and IID are making sure that they are using best

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Speaker 23: practice in future.

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Speaker 3: Do you think can you be absolutely sure though, that

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Speaker 3: they are not just wasting money on advertising for the

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01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:14,600
Speaker 3: sake of wasting money on advertising.

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Speaker 23: I'm pretty confident about that. Heither because there's a couple

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01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:22,639
Speaker 23: of things that are important to me. One that people

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01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:25,880
Speaker 23: are who are due tax refunds or a DOE money

1547
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:29,360
Speaker 23: back know that and are getting their entitlement. And two

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Speaker 23: that where the government is o tax ida chasing that

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Speaker 23: hard and so it's important that the IID use the

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Speaker 23: resources it has to go after both of those things.

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Speaker 23: As I say, they've reviewed this practice, they're not using

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01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 23: it in future.

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Speaker 3: That's a good thing, Okay.

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Speaker 1: Are they like?

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Speaker 5: Okay?

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Speaker 3: I can understand that maybe there are some numpties out

1557
01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:51,120
Speaker 3: there who never check the email accounts, so it will

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01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:53,880
Speaker 3: be very few of them. But are the IID before

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01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:57,320
Speaker 3: they're haitting Facebook and LinkedIn to try and advertise it us.

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01:10:57,640 --> 01:11:00,479
Speaker 3: Are they first just sending us a free email and

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01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:02,720
Speaker 3: then if we're not opening it and responding, then they're

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Speaker 3: going for the advertising.

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Speaker 20: Look, they may be.

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Speaker 23: You'd have to talk to them to understand the detail

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Speaker 23: of their practices, But I just do want to be

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Speaker 23: a bit real world here.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 23: A lot of people get a lot of emails, and

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Speaker 23: it's not necessarily the case that every email gets opened,

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01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:22,639
Speaker 23: but sometimes we see things flash up on our social

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01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:25,360
Speaker 23: media account and that can be a promptu action. So

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Speaker 23: I know that it's the practice of many organizations to

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01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:31,920
Speaker 23: do both, to do both email and advertising on other

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01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:34,439
Speaker 23: digital platforms. I don't think that's an unusual thing.

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Speaker 3: Okay, listen, have you caught up on this business about

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01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:38,800
Speaker 3: the banks forcing our dairy farmers to emit less than

1577
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:39,960
Speaker 3: the Aussie dairy farmers.

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Speaker 23: Look, I have heard a little bit about that. I

1579
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:46,680
Speaker 23: haven't been briefed fully on it. It's something I'm interested in.

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Speaker 23: It's one of the matters I expect the Parliamentary Select

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01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:52,519
Speaker 23: Committee inquiry will want to delve deeper into.

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Speaker 3: Have you asked you haven't talked to the banks then

1583
01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:58,120
Speaker 3: if you've just got the first hint of what's going on,

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01:11:58,200 --> 01:11:59,320
Speaker 3: you haven't have a chat to them yet.

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01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:00,679
Speaker 19: Not yet.

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01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:02,839
Speaker 23: But as I say, this is one of the issues

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01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:06,519
Speaker 23: that I think the Parliamentary Selectmittee should inquire into. They

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01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:09,080
Speaker 23: should be asking questions of the banks about it. It's

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Speaker 23: important we get full information about this. Where I'm coming

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Speaker 23: from is I want a growing productive economy that means

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Speaker 23: farmers having access to capital, that means farmers being able

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01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:21,160
Speaker 23: to expand and grow and export more. And I don't

1593
01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:22,479
Speaker 23: want the bank standing in the way of that.

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Speaker 3: No, And on the face of it, do you feel

1595
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:26,840
Speaker 3: I feel slightly uncomfortable that banks are getting involved in

1596
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:28,760
Speaker 3: the climate stuff with our farmers. What about you?

1597
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Speaker 23: Well, the thing that particularly struck me when I heard

1598
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:35,640
Speaker 23: your conversation with Jamie Mackay about this issue was that

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Speaker 23: there was a sense that there might be different rules

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01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:41,360
Speaker 23: at play in New Zealand. Yes, there are than in Australia,

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01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:45,000
Speaker 23: and that worries me because I want there to be

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01:12:45,080 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 23: at the very least a level playing field, and if

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01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:49,880
Speaker 23: I'm honest, I want it to be even easier for

1604
01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:52,880
Speaker 23: New Zealand farmers than Ossie farmers. And so any idea

1605
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:55,840
Speaker 23: that it's been made harder for our farmers to access capital,

1606
01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:58,920
Speaker 23: that the Ossie banks are making it hard for Kiwi

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01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:00,880
Speaker 23: farmers don't like the smell of that.

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01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:02,840
Speaker 3: No, not at all. Okay, listen, is it true that

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01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:04,920
Speaker 3: some public servants are not allowed to use uber and

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01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:06,000
Speaker 3: they have to use taxis?

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01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:08,800
Speaker 21: Yeah?

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01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:12,160
Speaker 23: Look, I understand that there has been a guideline from

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01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:16,160
Speaker 23: the Department of Internal Affairs discouraging the use of Uber.

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01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:17,920
Speaker 23: Now this has been brought to the attention of the

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01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:20,920
Speaker 23: Public Service Commission. They're having a look at it. I'm

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01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:23,439
Speaker 23: going to fess up right here, right now. I use

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01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:27,280
Speaker 23: Uber pretty regularly. I pay for it personally, and the

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01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:29,960
Speaker 23: reason I do that is it's convenient, it's cheap, and

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01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:31,599
Speaker 23: I love chatting with Uber drivers.

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Speaker 3: Do you do you know why did you say it

1621
01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:35,719
Speaker 3: was inland Revenue or who was it? Internal Affairs?

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01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:37,599
Speaker 23: The Apartment of Internal Affairs?

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01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:38,719
Speaker 3: Why did they say no Uber?

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01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:42,560
Speaker 23: Well, look, you'd have to ask them about that. But

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01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:45,040
Speaker 23: as I say, this is something I'm very open to

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01:13:45,200 --> 01:13:49,360
Speaker 23: change in because you know, technology changes, the way people

1627
01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:51,960
Speaker 23: do things changes, and it seems just to me perhaps

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01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:53,280
Speaker 23: a little old fashioned.

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01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:56,400
Speaker 3: Too right, and it's miles cheaper. Now, have you do

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01:13:56,520 --> 01:13:59,360
Speaker 3: you reckon or have we as a country gotten in

1631
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:04,080
Speaker 3: with because Elon loves Christopher MUCKs the Christopher Luxeon. Oh

1632
01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:07,000
Speaker 3: my gosh, I've made one person out of two people,

1633
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:09,719
Speaker 3: Christopher Luxon, Elon loves Luxon.

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01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:14,479
Speaker 23: Interesting that come to my mind with that description. Look,

1635
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:18,080
Speaker 23: both the Prime Minister and the Minister for Foreign Affairs

1636
01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:21,680
Speaker 23: have been very careful to make sure they have relationships

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01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:24,559
Speaker 23: in place with both Republican and Democratic side of politics

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01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:29,200
Speaker 23: coming under the presidential election, and I think that there's

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01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:31,720
Speaker 23: every reason to believe that New Zealand can have a

1640
01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:36,439
Speaker 23: close relationship with the incoming administration. Obviously there's big points

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01:14:36,479 --> 01:14:39,240
Speaker 23: of commonality between the United States of America and New Zealand.

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01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:42,719
Speaker 23: There's many things which are in our dual interests to pursue.

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01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:46,560
Speaker 23: Does it help that Elon says nice things about the

1644
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:47,960
Speaker 23: New Zealand Prime Minister on Twitter?

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01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:51,640
Speaker 3: Probably if Trump does go ahead and pull out of

1646
01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:54,000
Speaker 3: the Paris Accord, does that basically mean the thing falls over?

1647
01:14:54,479 --> 01:14:55,439
Speaker 3: That's over, isn't it?

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01:14:56,479 --> 01:15:00,960
Speaker 23: Well, look, I wouldn't. I wouldn't jump into judgment there. Obviously,

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01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:04,080
Speaker 23: the new administration hasn't even started yet. How they engage

1650
01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:07,680
Speaker 23: with those global treaties is yet to be seen. But

1651
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:10,599
Speaker 23: for New Zealand's part, we have a Zero Carbon Act

1652
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:13,880
Speaker 23: in law. We're on track to deliver to those objectives,

1653
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:17,639
Speaker 23: reducing emissions, having renewable affordable energy. Those are good thing

1654
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:20,879
Speaker 23: regardless of what happens with those international treaties.

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01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:23,960
Speaker 3: If he pulls the funding from Ukraine, do we pull

1656
01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:25,120
Speaker 3: the funding from Ukraine?

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01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:29,679
Speaker 23: I would not jump into speculating on that either. That's

1658
01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:32,040
Speaker 23: a matter for the Foreign Affairs Minister. I'm sure that

1659
01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:35,000
Speaker 23: it's something that he will be considering, but again far

1660
01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:38,320
Speaker 23: too soon to judge how the United States will respond.

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01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:41,519
Speaker 23: And of course the administration doesn't start till next year.

1662
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:43,280
Speaker 23: So but to order to go into the bridge till then.

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01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:45,000
Speaker 3: How do you rate the chances that we get slapped

1664
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:45,559
Speaker 3: with tariffs?

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01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:49,519
Speaker 23: Well, look, here's what I reckon. Trade is about, the

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01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:52,360
Speaker 23: exchange of value. For it makes sense. It needs to

1667
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:55,400
Speaker 23: benefit both sides. And when I look at New Zealand's

1668
01:15:55,439 --> 01:15:59,240
Speaker 23: growing trade relationship with the United States, whether it's red meat,

1669
01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:02,240
Speaker 23: whether it's wine, whether it's tourism, it's clear of the

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01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:05,599
Speaker 23: Americans like what we're selling. Equally, we import a hic

1671
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:08,799
Speaker 23: a lot from the Americans. It works for both sides.

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01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:13,000
Speaker 23: We have a close, positive relationship. So if there's any

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01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:15,640
Speaker 23: country in the world that the United States should look

1674
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:18,839
Speaker 23: favorably upon in trade, I'd pick New Zealand.

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01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:22,040
Speaker 3: Nicholas, thank you, always appreciate your time. That's Nichola Willis,

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01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:26,559
Speaker 3: the Finance Minister. Do you get the feeling Nichola didn't

1677
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:29,480
Speaker 3: know that the IID had handed over the private details

1678
01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:33,400
Speaker 3: of two hundred and seventy thousand people without even encrypted

1679
01:16:33,479 --> 01:16:36,479
Speaker 3: Do I felt like that was new information to her,

1680
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:38,880
Speaker 3: that they'd made that big whoopsie with the raw data

1681
01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:40,600
Speaker 3: and just handed it over to like whoop, here you

1682
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:43,479
Speaker 3: go Facebook, here's all of Heather's contact details. I feel

1683
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:44,840
Speaker 3: like that was news to her. What do you think?

1684
01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:49,479
Speaker 2: Seventeen past six analysis from the experts bringing you everything

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Speaker 1: That'd be here.

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Speaker 3: The reader starts at privacy breach. I'm one of the

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Speaker 3: people that they've breached. This is the two hundred and

1691
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:06,840
Speaker 3: seventy thousand people. I've got their emailed letter telling me

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01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:08,640
Speaker 3: that they screwed up. I've never in my life been

1693
01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:11,280
Speaker 3: late for a payment or owed past due. I'm a

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01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:13,680
Speaker 3: high income earner and bloody furious my info would be

1695
01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:15,599
Speaker 3: used in this way. All the details they shared, other

1696
01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:18,439
Speaker 3: security questions the scammer would be after For the first

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01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:21,240
Speaker 3: time since the election, I'm calling bs on Nicholas explanation

1698
01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:24,160
Speaker 3: Heather second text. I was one of those clients that

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01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:26,719
Speaker 3: received one of the IID letters advising the data breach

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01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:28,400
Speaker 3: of my information, but I did not owe them any

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01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:30,400
Speaker 3: money and in fact, I've got a refund for the

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01:17:30,479 --> 01:17:33,040
Speaker 3: year ended thirty first of March twenty four. The reporting

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01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:35,120
Speaker 3: gives the impression that the custom list was for clients

1704
01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:36,600
Speaker 3: that owed money, and that meta was a way of

1705
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:40,519
Speaker 3: reaching This is something weird going on here, because if

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01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:42,400
Speaker 3: they need to get a hold of you, they will

1707
01:17:42,479 --> 01:17:45,760
Speaker 3: email you, they will call you, they will, for God's sake,

1708
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:48,000
Speaker 3: send some bounces around to the door to pack up

1709
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:50,000
Speaker 3: the fifty bucks you owe them or whatever. But if

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01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:53,800
Speaker 3: they who believes that you're more likely to respond to

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01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:56,200
Speaker 3: a Facebook add than an email, there's something weird going

1712
01:17:56,240 --> 01:17:58,200
Speaker 3: on here. I feel like IOD is just blowing cash.

1713
01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:00,840
Speaker 3: They get an advertising budget and have to keep spending it.

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01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:02,760
Speaker 3: Do you feel like that's within like a skip it

1715
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:03,360
Speaker 3: to Facebook?

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01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:03,720
Speaker 22: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Cool, guys, something weird A six twenty one listen on

1718
01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:10,519
Speaker 3: another subject altogether. Mark Listener from Craig's Investment Partners is

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Speaker 3: with us.

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Speaker 24: Hey, Mark, afternoon, how are you.

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01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:15,519
Speaker 3: I'm well? Thank you? Now listen Mike. I'm fascinated by

1722
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:18,439
Speaker 3: this exuberance in the market post Trump's victory. Is this

1723
01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:19,080
Speaker 3: going to last?

1724
01:18:20,439 --> 01:18:22,720
Speaker 24: I think over the short term, yes it will. I

1725
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:25,800
Speaker 24: mean markets are in a very good mood. They like

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01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:29,519
Speaker 24: Trump because he is pro growth, he's business friendly, his

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Speaker 24: anti regulation. And when you also combine that with inflation

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01:18:34,720 --> 01:18:36,680
Speaker 24: that's now back in the twos and you've got the

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01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:40,479
Speaker 24: Federal Reserve cutting interest rates, the US economy is holding

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01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:44,400
Speaker 24: together quite well. I could see the US market continuing

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01:18:44,479 --> 01:18:45,720
Speaker 24: the strength into year end.

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Speaker 3: Do you think though, that he means he spells the

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01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:52,160
Speaker 3: end of the rate cuts because this is inflationary what

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01:18:52,200 --> 01:18:52,880
Speaker 3: he's planning to do.

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Speaker 24: Oh, it definitely is going to put the Federal Reserve

1736
01:18:57,680 --> 01:19:00,760
Speaker 24: in a bit of a bind. Jerome Powell just did

1737
01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:04,599
Speaker 24: not want to talk about politics at all on Friday morning,

1738
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:08,000
Speaker 24: but he won't get off that lightly next time. And

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01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:11,880
Speaker 24: financial markets now see, you know, it is pretty much

1740
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:14,000
Speaker 24: a fifty to fifty call whether he cuts again in

1741
01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:18,360
Speaker 24: December or whether they pause. So I think the part

1742
01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:21,040
Speaker 24: of interest rates in the US are still down, but yeah,

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01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:24,880
Speaker 24: markets are absolutely wondering about inflation, wondering about debt levels,

1744
01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:27,560
Speaker 24: and I think we will see a return to that

1745
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:32,120
Speaker 24: tension between Trump and Powell that we saw a few

1746
01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:34,920
Speaker 24: years back. So it remains to be seen, but there's

1747
01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:39,240
Speaker 24: definitely going to be an interesting, interesting dynamic between the two.

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01:19:39,439 --> 01:19:41,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally. Now listen on China. Okay, we've got the

1749
01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:43,880
Speaker 3: stimulus package. Is this going to be enough? Because I

1750
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:46,160
Speaker 3: had I mean, the markets have not reacted well to

1751
01:19:46,240 --> 01:19:46,880
Speaker 3: it today, have they?

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01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:48,040
Speaker 5: No?

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01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:52,120
Speaker 24: Markets a little underwhelmed. We also had some inflation figures

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01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:54,679
Speaker 24: out of China over the weekend, and they were too low.

1755
01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:56,799
Speaker 24: You know, the rest of the world has an inflation

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01:19:56,920 --> 01:19:59,920
Speaker 24: that's too high, Chinese inflation too low. So they're trying

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01:19:59,920 --> 01:20:03,640
Speaker 24: to actually get a bit of inflation stimulus a little underwhelming.

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01:20:04,240 --> 01:20:06,080
Speaker 24: I just don't know if it's going to be enough

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01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:08,280
Speaker 24: to deal with the massive issues they have around the

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01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:11,280
Speaker 24: property sector and some of their other challenges. And now

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01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:14,479
Speaker 24: we're also thinking ahead to next year and we're thinking, well, geez,

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01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:16,720
Speaker 24: what will Trump do when he gets into office in

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01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:20,640
Speaker 24: terms of tariffs and so forth, that China will be

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01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:24,360
Speaker 24: right in the firing line of So I think there

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01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:27,200
Speaker 24: are still some big question marks around the Chinese economy

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01:20:27,240 --> 01:20:28,160
Speaker 24: over the next little while.

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Speaker 3: How about that dairy payout upgrade though for US?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, fantastic, isn't it?

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Speaker 24: And I guess the positive news is that we are

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Speaker 24: selling the right sort of products to China. You look

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01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:42,920
Speaker 24: on the ASX today and it's the mining companies are

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01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:45,680
Speaker 24: all down, whether it's PHP, Rio and so forth, but

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01:20:46,280 --> 01:20:49,800
Speaker 24: dairy prices are up what eighteen percent this year and

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01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:52,519
Speaker 24: now the payout having been bumped up from nine dollars

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01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:55,120
Speaker 24: to nine point fifty, that's the highest of all time.

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Speaker 24: The previous high was nine dollars thirty I think that

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01:20:58,360 --> 01:21:01,960
Speaker 24: was in the twenty twenty two seasons. So nine point

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01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:05,479
Speaker 24: fifty best ever payout. Really, you can't be unhappy about

1779
01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:06,080
Speaker 24: that totally.

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Speaker 3: And look, we've got a whole bunch of corporate releases

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01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:10,000
Speaker 3: to watch this week, but you're picking Main Freight is

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01:21:10,080 --> 01:21:10,840
Speaker 3: the is the key one?

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Speaker 5: Is it?

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Speaker 16: Oh?

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Speaker 24: Just such a high profile business, well owned, well followed.

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01:21:16,280 --> 01:21:19,120
Speaker 24: You know, everyone loves main Freight and everyone owns it.

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01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:21,200
Speaker 24: You know it'll be in everyone's key we Saber account.

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Speaker 24: So it's not the only company reporting here. You've got

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01:21:24,200 --> 01:21:27,400
Speaker 24: in for two, You've got Goodman Property, a couple of others.

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01:21:27,439 --> 01:21:30,559
Speaker 24: But Main Freight is just important because it's so big

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Speaker 24: and so widely followed, and it's sort of right on

1792
01:21:34,439 --> 01:21:38,840
Speaker 24: the cusp of global growth because it's in the logistics business, transport,

1793
01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:43,000
Speaker 24: big operations, not just here in New Zealand and in Australia,

1794
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:45,479
Speaker 24: but also in Europe and Asia in the US, so

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01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:49,360
Speaker 24: you always learn a lot from the main freight result,

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Speaker 24: and I think given what we're now seeing in terms

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Speaker 24: of the geopolitical environment and what that could mean for

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Speaker 24: tariffs and the costs of moving things around, I think

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Speaker 24: it would be a really interesting result to monitor.

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Speaker 10: On Wednesday, Mark, it's good to talk to you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Appreciate it, mate, This Mark Listter

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Speaker 3: Craig's Investment Partners, Shane Solly's on holiday or something like

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01:22:09,400 --> 01:22:12,080
Speaker 3: that will called in sick or truant. I don't know,

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Speaker 3: But anyway, Mark did a good job, didn't he six twenty.

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Speaker 2: Five Everything from SMEs to the big corporates, The Business

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Speaker 3: Hither if I got something on Facebook about IRD money,

1811
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:31,479
Speaker 3: I would assume it was a scam. Hither if I

1812
01:22:31,560 --> 01:22:33,880
Speaker 3: got an email from Ird saying you owe us money,

1813
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:38,960
Speaker 3: it's number one a scam. So basically doesn't matter how

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01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:40,840
Speaker 3: they do it online, whether they email you will put

1815
01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:42,439
Speaker 3: an ad on Facebook, You're just going to go NA

1816
01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:44,360
Speaker 3: it's a scam. I don't know them any money. Honestly,

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01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:45,840
Speaker 3: you're going to end up in so much trouble. If

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01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:49,160
Speaker 3: they're that's the attitude in take, you're going to end up.

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Speaker 3: You're going to end up owing a lot of money.

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Speaker 3: I suggest to change attitude towards that, but always be

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01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:56,920
Speaker 3: scam careful or whatever they're saying is listen, this is

1822
01:22:57,000 --> 01:22:58,880
Speaker 3: not looking good for Zelenski by the ways. I don't

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01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:00,240
Speaker 3: know if you see have you seen what Donald Trump

1824
01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:03,479
Speaker 3: Junior's put on his Instagram account. He's put a picture

1825
01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:05,200
Speaker 3: it's like it's in a video film, but it's a

1826
01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:09,479
Speaker 3: picture of Zelenski standing next to Donald Trump Senior and

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01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:12,400
Speaker 3: Zelenzi's got a sad face, and the caption at the

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01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:15,160
Speaker 3: bottom says, point of view, you are thirty eight days

1829
01:23:15,200 --> 01:23:19,200
Speaker 3: from losing your allowance. Now, obviously the allowance is the

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01:23:19,280 --> 01:23:22,240
Speaker 3: government funding, the US government funding for the war in Ukraine.

1831
01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:26,040
Speaker 3: And this would echo what Trump Senior has been saying

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01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:29,120
Speaker 3: for a fair few weeks months now, which is that

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01:23:29,240 --> 01:23:31,320
Speaker 3: he's pretty keen to pull funding from Ukraine and stop

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01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:34,679
Speaker 3: funding the war. So far, the US government has pumped

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01:23:34,720 --> 01:23:38,320
Speaker 3: in fifty six billion US dollars. So if I was Zelenski.

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01:23:38,520 --> 01:23:40,960
Speaker 3: I mean, like, look, who knows whether Trump intends to

1837
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:43,080
Speaker 3: do this, whether it's a threat, whether it's real, or

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01:23:43,080 --> 01:23:46,960
Speaker 3: whether it's just designed to make Zelenski stop being such

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01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:50,000
Speaker 3: a you know, like so hard out. I don't know.

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01:23:50,160 --> 01:23:52,360
Speaker 3: I don't know what it is. But either way, if

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01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:54,040
Speaker 3: I was Zelenski looking at that, I don't think I'd

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01:23:54,040 --> 01:23:55,479
Speaker 3: be feeling very good at the moment. Would you have

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01:23:55,720 --> 01:23:57,439
Speaker 3: Sa Me and Brown with us? Next News took.

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Speaker 2: ZB If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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Speaker 10: The dover shiding Wiskey They I need downtown. Yes, there's

1848
01:24:19,479 --> 01:24:24,639
Speaker 10: a party downtown here. Everybody had Barget.

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01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:28,200
Speaker 3: Gavin Gray is going to be with us. Actually we've

1850
01:24:28,200 --> 01:24:30,600
Speaker 3: got a Gail Downey filling in for Gavin Gray. So

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01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:32,320
Speaker 3: normally a be Gavin on a Monday, but it's Gale

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01:24:32,360 --> 01:24:34,160
Speaker 3: on a Monday, this Monday, and she'll be with us

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01:24:34,200 --> 01:24:37,360
Speaker 3: in ten minutes time. Listen, this is a weird one

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01:24:37,439 --> 01:24:39,160
Speaker 3: from us. I'm just going to leave you to draw

1855
01:24:39,200 --> 01:24:40,880
Speaker 3: your own conclusions from this. Well, this is the State

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01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:42,200
Speaker 3: Housing provider coying of order.

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01:24:42,280 --> 01:24:42,400
Speaker 1: Right.

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01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:45,360
Speaker 3: So it turns out Order kind of order has got

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01:24:45,400 --> 01:24:48,240
Speaker 3: some really weird houses in its portfolio. Because when I

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01:24:48,320 --> 01:24:50,960
Speaker 3: think about state houses, I think about you just want

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01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:53,120
Speaker 3: to get something kind of basic but with as many

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01:24:53,200 --> 01:24:55,760
Speaker 3: rooms as possible and across all kinds of you know,

1863
01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:59,679
Speaker 3: across all the available configurations of a house, but basic stuff.

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01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:02,800
Speaker 3: I'm not thinking that. I'm not thinking it needs to

1865
01:25:02,840 --> 01:25:04,800
Speaker 3: be super flash. I think it just needs to be

1866
01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:06,960
Speaker 3: nuts and bots and that's all you need. Right, So

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01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:10,200
Speaker 3: we're getting value for money but providing a roof it owns.

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01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:14,800
Speaker 3: It turns out a beautiful heritage listed villa in Mount

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01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:17,640
Speaker 3: Cook and Wellington. It's like seriously beautiful house. It's one

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01:25:17,680 --> 01:25:21,200
Speaker 3: of those really skinny terrace houses, you know, gorgeous to

1871
01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:23,640
Speaker 3: look at, beautiful filigree with just really nice house and

1872
01:25:23,720 --> 01:25:25,840
Speaker 3: a beautiful paint job on the outside to keep it

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01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:28,360
Speaker 3: all tidy and stuff. Quite why it owns that house,

1874
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:30,560
Speaker 3: I have no bloody idea. But anyway, the house is

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01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:33,840
Speaker 3: now worth one and a half million dollars. Trouble is

1876
01:25:33,880 --> 01:25:35,639
Speaker 3: the house has been empty for three years. So it's

1877
01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:37,760
Speaker 3: been empty since mid twenty twenty one because they can't

1878
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:39,519
Speaker 3: put anybody in it because they have to do lots

1879
01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:41,600
Speaker 3: of work on it to basically make it legal to

1880
01:25:41,640 --> 01:25:43,679
Speaker 3: put the tenants. And they've got to do a foundation upgrade.

1881
01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:45,320
Speaker 3: They've got to get it ready with a healthy homes.

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01:25:45,320 --> 01:25:47,200
Speaker 3: They've got to put a ducted heat pump in, gotta

1883
01:25:47,200 --> 01:25:50,360
Speaker 3: put in some drafts stopping, some new underfloor and sealing

1884
01:25:50,439 --> 01:25:53,680
Speaker 3: insulation maybe even oh maybe even so double glazing. Got

1885
01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:55,320
Speaker 3: to do all of that stuff just to make it

1886
01:25:55,360 --> 01:25:56,760
Speaker 3: okay for the tenants to move in. Do you know

1887
01:25:56,840 --> 01:26:00,519
Speaker 3: what's funny about this guarantee? You can't put an tenants

1888
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:03,400
Speaker 3: in at the moment, can't possibly put like somebody living

1889
01:26:03,439 --> 01:26:05,960
Speaker 3: in a tent, can't put them in there, somebody living

1890
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:08,519
Speaker 3: in their car can't put them motil accommodation can't put

1891
01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:10,400
Speaker 3: them in there. Wouldn't be up to standard. Can't do that.

1892
01:26:10,840 --> 01:26:13,559
Speaker 3: But if it went on the market, just as likely

1893
01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:15,960
Speaker 3: as not somebody would buy it and moving straight away.

1894
01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:17,840
Speaker 3: So good enough for the people who own it, but

1895
01:26:18,040 --> 01:26:20,040
Speaker 3: not good enough for a tenant. And that is one

1896
01:26:20,080 --> 01:26:22,080
Speaker 3: of those things in the law that is just how

1897
01:26:22,120 --> 01:26:24,120
Speaker 3: did we get to that place? Twenty one away from seven,

1898
01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:28,600
Speaker 3: the government has appointed a Chap called Lindsay mackenzie to

1899
01:26:28,680 --> 01:26:31,040
Speaker 3: be the Crown Observer to Wellington City Council. Now, Lindsay

1900
01:26:31,080 --> 01:26:34,320
Speaker 3: McKenzie comes with experience. He was the CEO of Tasman

1901
01:26:34,360 --> 01:26:36,599
Speaker 3: and Gisban District Councils. He also helped out in Vicargo

1902
01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:38,920
Speaker 3: City Council with Governman's issues, so he knows what he's doing.

1903
01:26:39,280 --> 01:26:41,599
Speaker 3: Local Government Minister Simeon Brown is with us a simn

1904
01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:45,080
Speaker 3: good evening, so he's starting on Wednesday, which is pretty quick.

1905
01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:48,439
Speaker 3: Why are you getting him in there so quickly, Well, there's.

1906
01:26:48,280 --> 01:26:51,240
Speaker 16: A number of reasons. Firstly, the issue around the long

1907
01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:54,600
Speaker 16: term Plan is under council. Of course, one of the

1908
01:26:54,640 --> 01:26:58,280
Speaker 16: reasons why we've decided to point an observer one because

1909
01:26:58,479 --> 01:27:01,320
Speaker 16: there's been a number of relationship issues at the council

1910
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:04,720
Speaker 16: to the long term plans being fully relitigated and so

1911
01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:06,720
Speaker 16: the council's going through that process. They asked me to

1912
01:27:06,760 --> 01:27:08,760
Speaker 16: get someone in there as quickly as they can to

1913
01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:12,479
Speaker 16: assist with that process. So we've identified Lindsay. He's got

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01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:15,880
Speaker 16: local government experience and background. He'll be able to provide

1915
01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:19,120
Speaker 16: another set of eyes and ears into that council reporting

1916
01:27:19,160 --> 01:27:22,479
Speaker 16: to me. But also his experience having dealt with issues

1917
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:25,080
Speaker 16: in the Cargill District Council will mean that he's able

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01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:28,120
Speaker 16: to assist Wellington with the challenges they're facing.

1919
01:27:28,280 --> 01:27:30,200
Speaker 3: I see you've got an end date on his contract,

1920
01:27:30,280 --> 01:27:32,400
Speaker 3: so thirty first of July next year he's finished. But

1921
01:27:32,479 --> 01:27:33,400
Speaker 3: what if it's still a mess.

1922
01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:37,760
Speaker 16: Well, the issue here is the key issue is that

1923
01:27:37,880 --> 01:27:40,360
Speaker 16: they decided to relitigate their long term plans, so they

1924
01:27:40,439 --> 01:27:42,960
Speaker 16: need to have that fixed by the middle of next year.

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01:27:43,520 --> 01:27:45,800
Speaker 16: And so my intention is for that observer to be

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Speaker 16: there during the process of the council going through its

1927
01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:52,800
Speaker 16: long term plan, reconsulting on it and then finalizing it.

1928
01:27:53,880 --> 01:27:56,160
Speaker 16: But after that will be shortly going into the local

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01:27:56,200 --> 01:27:59,040
Speaker 16: government elections and the people of Wellington will.

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Speaker 1: Presenting them.

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Speaker 16: I don't intend for the observer to stay during that period.

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Speaker 3: Okay, is you mentioned relationship issues? Is he going to

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01:28:10,479 --> 01:28:12,840
Speaker 3: deal with things like like the thing that's in the

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01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:16,200
Speaker 3: paper today where Liz the counselor shouted at Diane the Counselor,

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01:28:16,200 --> 01:28:18,360
Speaker 3: which made Tony and Nickel of the councilor's right to

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01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:19,760
Speaker 3: the mayor to try to sort it out. Is that

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Speaker 3: the kind of thing he's going to deal.

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Speaker 10: With well, there'sn't.

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Speaker 21: Yeah.

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Speaker 16: As I said, there's a number of issues that need

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Speaker 16: to be sorted out. One is the relationship issues, which

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Speaker 16: is the personalities.

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Speaker 3: But how does he deal with this? What's he going

1944
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Speaker 3: to do? Sit there and go okay, there's sit down,

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Speaker 3: shut up?

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Speaker 16: How does the observer has the ability to assist the council.

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Speaker 16: He's not making decisions on behalf of the council, but

1948
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Speaker 16: he's able to assist the council lose the mayor and

1949
01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:44,639
Speaker 16: provide another set of eyes and ears and another set

1950
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Speaker 16: of advice. That's one of the roles of a council observer,

1951
01:28:47,840 --> 01:28:53,920
Speaker 16: and he put that what is being seen or what's happening?

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Speaker 10: The third is.

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01:28:55,840 --> 01:28:59,040
Speaker 1: Around the this this is you knows.

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Speaker 16: He comes with a lot of experience in local government.

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01:29:02,240 --> 01:29:05,880
Speaker 16: He currently sits on the Nelson City Council Audit and

1956
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Speaker 16: Risk Committee adependent member. He's got good financial experience and literacy.

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Speaker 16: He's going to be out of system as they go

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Speaker 16: through that process and give them another set of another

1959
01:29:14,840 --> 01:29:17,880
Speaker 16: some external advice. Effectively, if they want the council and

1960
01:29:17,960 --> 01:29:20,240
Speaker 16: looking and it's up to them, but another set of

1961
01:29:20,280 --> 01:29:22,759
Speaker 16: advice so that they can actually look at the issues

1962
01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:25,559
Speaker 16: that they've been granted with and be given some further

1963
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Speaker 16: So this is to me.

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Speaker 3: And let me just get this right. This is for

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Speaker 3: the councilors who are just ordinary lay people elected to

1966
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Speaker 3: this position. He sits there and they go, Lindsey, can

1967
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Speaker 3: you explain to us the most important things in this

1968
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Speaker 3: financial document? And he'll be able to do that.

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Speaker 16: That's correct, And ultimately at the moment they have the

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Speaker 16: Chief Executive of Wellington City Council does that having an

1971
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Speaker 16: observer in there as an ability to the council with

1972
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Speaker 16: another effective but also provide advices as well.

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Speaker 3: Okay, and what if is one of the problems with

1974
01:29:56,240 --> 01:29:58,920
Speaker 3: Wellington City Council is that there's been a relationship breakdown

1975
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Speaker 3: between the unelected officials like the Chief Executive and the

1976
01:30:01,640 --> 01:30:04,320
Speaker 3: elected people. Right, so is he going to be able

1977
01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:07,720
Speaker 3: to sit there and go, hey, Barbara, the Chief Executive,

1978
01:30:08,040 --> 01:30:10,639
Speaker 3: I know you need to give them more information handed over?

1979
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Speaker 3: Can he take his own initiative.

1980
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Speaker 16: There he is able to assess the Council on those

1981
01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:17,320
Speaker 16: issues in terms of the terms of references around the

1982
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Speaker 16: long term plan. So he's able to provide another another

1983
01:30:21,120 --> 01:30:23,519
Speaker 16: set of advice to the counselors and to the mayor

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Speaker 16: around the issues that they are facing as they go

1985
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Speaker 16: to that long term plan process.

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Speaker 3: Good stuff, Hey, Simon, thanks very much, really appreciate it.

1987
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Speaker 3: To me and Brown, the local government minister sounds to

1988
01:30:32,120 --> 01:30:34,320
Speaker 3: me like Lindsay's the man for the job. He is

1989
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Speaker 3: hoping he's got us wits about him and he is

1990
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Speaker 3: hoping all the councilors actually tap into that information. Ah, listen,

1991
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Speaker 3: weird thing happened. Okay, cruseet l cru set. Are you

1992
01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:46,120
Speaker 3: into this because I've got a yarn for you on this.

1993
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Speaker 3: I don't really understand it. I'm going to talk you

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Speaker 3: through this shortly seventeen away from seven.

1995
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Speaker 1: Approaching the numbers and getting the results.

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Speaker 2: It's hither duplicy Ellen with the Business Hour thanks to

1997
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Speaker 2: my HR, the HR solution for busy sies.

1998
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Speaker 1: On news talks, it'd be.

1999
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Speaker 3: Gail Downey UK corresponding with us. Now, Hi, Gail, Hi there?

2000
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Speaker 3: Why is it, Gale that the hospitality seek are so

2001
01:31:09,400 --> 01:31:10,840
Speaker 3: worried about these tax hikes?

2002
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Speaker 6: Well, I guess the thing is that what they're saying

2003
01:31:14,720 --> 01:31:20,080
Speaker 6: is hospitality restaurants, bars, cafes. They've had a difficult time

2004
01:31:20,240 --> 01:31:24,439
Speaker 6: during COVID obviously, and the recovery after that, and so

2005
01:31:24,760 --> 01:31:29,040
Speaker 6: they're worried because actually the National Insurance Tax, which is

2006
01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:31,920
Speaker 6: an additional tax that we pay over here on top

2007
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Speaker 6: of our normal tax.

2008
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Speaker 3: Is going up.

2009
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Speaker 6: And also not only that, but businesses are going to

2010
01:31:39,520 --> 01:31:42,360
Speaker 6: have to pay the tax on employees earning five thousand

2011
01:31:42,400 --> 01:31:45,320
Speaker 6: pounds a year rather than before it had been nine

2012
01:31:45,400 --> 01:31:48,160
Speaker 6: thousand pounds of years. So basically more people are going

2013
01:31:48,200 --> 01:31:51,599
Speaker 6: to be brought into the tax bracket. They say they're

2014
01:31:51,640 --> 01:31:56,960
Speaker 6: going to be disproportionately impacted because of course going to pubs, cafes,

2015
01:31:57,040 --> 01:32:01,080
Speaker 6: restaurants is a luxury really time and cost of living,

2016
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Speaker 6: and that's what worries them.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I've got a fair argument. If they've already had

2018
01:32:04,760 --> 01:32:05,920
Speaker 3: a tough they're just going to keep on having a

2019
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:07,840
Speaker 3: tough way. Listen, what's going to happen to these guys

2020
01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:10,400
Speaker 3: who've been arrested in Amsterdam?

2021
01:32:11,640 --> 01:32:14,080
Speaker 6: All we know at the moment is that they've been detained.

2022
01:32:14,120 --> 01:32:17,760
Speaker 6: So it's dozens of pro Palestinian demonstrators and what they

2023
01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:20,720
Speaker 6: did was they defied a ban on public protests in

2024
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Speaker 6: the Dutch capital. And the ban follows unrest last week,

2025
01:32:24,960 --> 01:32:28,799
Speaker 6: Whether about sixty two arrests, and it was just after

2026
01:32:29,360 --> 01:32:33,639
Speaker 6: a match between Maccabi Tel Aviv and Israeli football team

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Speaker 6: and IAX Amsterdam, obviously a Dutch football team. Yesterday, hundreds

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01:32:39,400 --> 01:32:42,639
Speaker 6: of pro Palestinian demonstrators. They gathered in Damn Square, which

2029
01:32:42,640 --> 01:32:44,920
Speaker 6: is a main square in Amsterdam, calling for an end

2030
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Speaker 6: to the conflict in Gaza, and they were very unhappy

2031
01:32:48,360 --> 01:32:51,640
Speaker 6: with the ban on public protests, so the police went in.

2032
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Speaker 6: They've now detained dozens of protesters. Meanwhile, the Israeli government

2033
01:32:58,120 --> 01:33:02,320
Speaker 6: has advised its citizens to, in their words, categorically avoid

2034
01:33:02,560 --> 01:33:03,880
Speaker 6: Israeli sports.

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Speaker 3: And cultural events while abroad.

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Speaker 6: And one of the things they've focused on specifically is

2037
01:33:08,640 --> 01:33:11,680
Speaker 6: a football match between France and Israel, which is in

2038
01:33:11,880 --> 01:33:13,639
Speaker 6: Paris this coming Thursday.

2039
01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:17,040
Speaker 3: Okay, what is it that Jamie Oliver has said in

2040
01:33:17,120 --> 01:33:19,000
Speaker 3: this book that is inappropriate that's caused them to.

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01:33:19,000 --> 01:33:20,920
Speaker 10: Pull up right?

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01:33:21,040 --> 01:33:23,559
Speaker 6: Well, I will quote the chief executive of the National

2043
01:33:23,640 --> 01:33:28,439
Speaker 6: Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Education Commission, Sharon Davis. What

2044
01:33:28,680 --> 01:33:33,519
Speaker 6: she says is the story mainly is set in England,

2045
01:33:33,880 --> 01:33:36,720
Speaker 6: but part of it goes to Alice Springs, where it

2046
01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:39,280
Speaker 6: tells the tale of a first Nations girl living in

2047
01:33:39,320 --> 01:33:43,240
Speaker 6: foster care in an Indigenous community who's kidnapped by the

2048
01:33:43,320 --> 01:33:44,040
Speaker 6: villain of the book.

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Speaker 20: That's the villain of the whole book.

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Speaker 6: And what Sharon Davis has said is that this chapter,

2051
01:33:50,680 --> 01:33:54,240
Speaker 6: which is called to Steal a Child, that it implies

2052
01:33:54,280 --> 01:33:57,640
Speaker 6: that First Nations families are easily swayed by money and

2053
01:33:57,760 --> 01:34:00,840
Speaker 6: neglect the safety of their children. She says it perpetuates

2054
01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:05,240
Speaker 6: a racist stereotype that has been used to justify child

2055
01:34:05,360 --> 01:34:08,640
Speaker 6: removals for more than one hundred years, and that the

2056
01:34:08,680 --> 01:34:12,840
Speaker 6: portrayal is not only offensive but also reinforces damaging biases.

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01:34:13,600 --> 01:34:16,880
Speaker 6: Jamie Oliver has come back. He's currently in Australia promoting

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01:34:16,920 --> 01:34:19,640
Speaker 6: his latest cookbook, By the Way. He said he was

2059
01:34:19,800 --> 01:34:24,479
Speaker 6: devastated to have cause defense and he apologized wholeheartedly. The

2060
01:34:24,520 --> 01:34:26,559
Speaker 6: book has now been withdrawn from sale.

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Speaker 3: Feels like it's kind of it's like fundamental to the

2062
01:34:29,600 --> 01:34:32,000
Speaker 3: book though, So that's that, right, The book's not going

2063
01:34:32,080 --> 01:34:35,280
Speaker 3: to come back. It doesn't seem like it.

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01:34:35,400 --> 01:34:37,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, I mean I haven't read I have to

2065
01:34:37,640 --> 01:34:39,800
Speaker 6: confess I haven't read the book, so I don't know.

2066
01:34:39,960 --> 01:34:42,639
Speaker 6: I'm only telling you what the criticisms are. But yeah,

2067
01:34:42,720 --> 01:34:44,640
Speaker 6: it looks like it's not going to come back.

2068
01:34:44,760 --> 01:34:45,080
Speaker 1: That's it.

2069
01:34:45,320 --> 01:34:47,800
Speaker 6: Off the shelves, off the online that's it.

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01:34:48,160 --> 01:34:50,160
Speaker 3: It doesn't feel like a small chainte Thank you, Gal,

2071
01:34:50,200 --> 01:34:54,120
Speaker 3: always appreciated. Gale Downy, UK Correspondence evening. Okay, here's what

2072
01:34:54,160 --> 01:34:57,320
Speaker 3: I get. This is about Licorcic. So you know what

2073
01:34:57,360 --> 01:35:01,360
Speaker 3: I'm talking about when I talk about Lcrusic. Right, everybody's

2074
01:35:01,400 --> 01:35:04,400
Speaker 3: got one somewhere of some size, and you've baby got

2075
01:35:04,439 --> 01:35:06,599
Speaker 3: the little tanny tanny one that you can only fit

2076
01:35:06,800 --> 01:35:09,320
Speaker 3: like three mandarins, and maybe you've got the really big

2077
01:35:09,400 --> 01:35:11,519
Speaker 3: one that you could do a big bolonnaise in. It

2078
01:35:11,560 --> 01:35:14,240
Speaker 3: always comes in a garish color like at some sort

2079
01:35:14,240 --> 01:35:16,800
Speaker 3: of like nineteen seventies assault on your face, you know,

2080
01:35:16,960 --> 01:35:22,240
Speaker 3: like volcanic orange, cobalt blue green. You know what I mean?

2081
01:35:22,760 --> 01:35:25,640
Speaker 3: The cast iron its cast iron, isn't it anyway? So

2082
01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:28,519
Speaker 3: what I don't get is why people love it this much.

2083
01:35:29,040 --> 01:35:31,479
Speaker 3: People love it this much that this past weekend in

2084
01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:34,280
Speaker 3: the UK and Hampshire they had a sale in this

2085
01:35:34,400 --> 01:35:38,160
Speaker 3: industrial complex in Hampshire and on Saturday started at nine,

2086
01:35:38,200 --> 01:35:40,760
Speaker 3: and on Saturday started at nine and on Sunday start

2087
01:35:40,800 --> 01:35:42,880
Speaker 3: of to day they probably realized on Saturday Saturday. How

2088
01:35:42,920 --> 01:35:45,600
Speaker 3: popular it was they started how early people lined up

2089
01:35:45,680 --> 01:35:49,600
Speaker 3: outside for four hours to be able to get in

2090
01:35:49,640 --> 01:35:52,960
Speaker 3: there to buy stuff. They lined up so long. The

2091
01:35:53,160 --> 01:35:55,719
Speaker 3: queue was so long it like wound around the blocks

2092
01:35:55,800 --> 01:35:59,000
Speaker 3: for miles. The cops had to be called to come

2093
01:35:59,040 --> 01:36:00,519
Speaker 3: and keep the peace. I don't know what these people

2094
01:36:00,560 --> 01:36:02,479
Speaker 3: were doing to each other. I don't even Maybe somebody

2095
01:36:02,479 --> 01:36:03,720
Speaker 3: just looked out the window and they were like live

2096
01:36:03,720 --> 01:36:05,679
Speaker 3: with a lot of people, Call the cops. Or maybe

2097
01:36:05,760 --> 01:36:08,920
Speaker 3: these people were really intense about cookware and they were

2098
01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:11,080
Speaker 3: acting up. I don't know what was going on. And

2099
01:36:11,240 --> 01:36:13,519
Speaker 3: to be fair to them, it was quite a deal.

2100
01:36:13,560 --> 01:36:15,240
Speaker 3: I mean, you could get up to half price off

2101
01:36:15,280 --> 01:36:18,120
Speaker 3: your casse roll dish and your baking tray and your crockery,

2102
01:36:18,160 --> 01:36:20,240
Speaker 3: and frankly, who doesn't love a bargain on something like that.

2103
01:36:20,960 --> 01:36:25,200
Speaker 3: But would you actually would you actually que four hours

2104
01:36:25,240 --> 01:36:27,000
Speaker 3: for lit crusett? And I don't want to be a

2105
01:36:27,040 --> 01:36:29,719
Speaker 3: dick about liqu No, I'm going to I am would

2106
01:36:29,760 --> 01:36:33,479
Speaker 3: you number one Q four hours for homeware? And number two?

2107
01:36:33,640 --> 01:36:35,479
Speaker 3: If you were going to Q four hours for homeware,

2108
01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:38,040
Speaker 3: would it be for li crousette, which looks like something

2109
01:36:38,080 --> 01:36:41,200
Speaker 3: they'd come out of your grandmother's kitchen, because I don't understand.

2110
01:36:41,200 --> 01:36:42,840
Speaker 3: A girlfriend of mine bought a house the other day,

2111
01:36:43,240 --> 01:36:46,120
Speaker 3: like the other day last year in Mission Bay. Really nice, right,

2112
01:36:46,320 --> 01:36:47,559
Speaker 3: and she was like, hey, I when to got myself

2113
01:36:47,600 --> 01:36:49,040
Speaker 3: a lit crusette and I put it on display, and

2114
01:36:49,120 --> 01:36:51,799
Speaker 3: I was like, why why are you putting that on display?

2115
01:36:52,040 --> 01:36:54,440
Speaker 3: That looks like something my granny had in the seventies.

2116
01:36:54,640 --> 01:36:56,760
Speaker 3: I don't get it. I don't get the liquorusette thing.

2117
01:36:57,040 --> 01:36:58,920
Speaker 3: And it's not actually, it's not even that good. It's

2118
01:36:58,960 --> 01:37:01,479
Speaker 3: not even that good because apparently it's for life. Well,

2119
01:37:01,560 --> 01:37:04,280
Speaker 3: try telling me it's for life. We have one not

2120
01:37:04,840 --> 01:37:06,800
Speaker 3: from my marriage. I'll tell you that that's survived from

2121
01:37:06,840 --> 01:37:09,439
Speaker 3: a previous husband. That's from the husband's previous marriage, isn't it.

2122
01:37:09,439 --> 01:37:11,920
Speaker 3: Because I wouldn't let that in willingly and he burned

2123
01:37:11,960 --> 01:37:13,800
Speaker 3: holes in it in the bottom. So it's not for life,

2124
01:37:13,920 --> 01:37:16,000
Speaker 3: is it. So I don't get it. It's just rubbish

2125
01:37:16,120 --> 01:37:17,840
Speaker 3: and ugly. Away from seven.

2126
01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:21,880
Speaker 2: Getting ready for a new administration in the US, what

2127
01:37:22,120 --> 01:37:25,000
Speaker 2: will be the impact? It's the Business Hour with hither

2128
01:37:25,160 --> 01:37:28,880
Speaker 2: Duplicy Ellen and my HR The HR solution for busy

2129
01:37:29,040 --> 01:37:30,679
Speaker 2: SMEs news talk said.

2130
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Speaker 3: Be Heather, It's pronounced le crusee regards a pedant. James,

2131
01:37:36,640 --> 01:37:38,360
Speaker 3: I'm so glad you brought that up. Thank you. I've

2132
01:37:38,360 --> 01:37:40,280
Speaker 3: been dying for a reason to get into this. Okay,

2133
01:37:40,600 --> 01:37:43,519
Speaker 3: you've started a thing. We're speaking English, aren't we. Though

2134
01:37:43,640 --> 01:37:46,040
Speaker 3: we're speaking we're not speaking French. So if we were

2135
01:37:46,080 --> 01:37:48,400
Speaker 3: speaking French, I'd say let crusee. But if I'm speaking English,

2136
01:37:48,439 --> 01:37:50,800
Speaker 3: I'm going to say le crusette, aren't I In the

2137
01:37:50,880 --> 01:37:53,320
Speaker 3: same way that when I speak English, I don't talk

2138
01:37:53,320 --> 01:37:55,680
Speaker 3: about a fila of steak? Do I talk about a

2139
01:37:55,680 --> 01:37:58,439
Speaker 3: phillit of steak? Because I'm speaking English. And also, if

2140
01:37:58,520 --> 01:38:01,200
Speaker 3: I did have a man who came into my bedroom

2141
01:38:01,240 --> 01:38:03,400
Speaker 3: every morning and helped me get into my jacket, he

2142
01:38:03,439 --> 01:38:05,720
Speaker 3: would not be my vale valet, would he? He would

2143
01:38:05,720 --> 01:38:09,120
Speaker 3: be my valet, wouldn't he. I'm speaking English. So, and

2144
01:38:09,200 --> 01:38:11,680
Speaker 3: we're going to take this too. It's extremes now like

2145
01:38:11,880 --> 01:38:14,040
Speaker 3: I am going to I am going to take it

2146
01:38:14,120 --> 01:38:16,040
Speaker 3: to its extremes, and there are going to be times

2147
01:38:16,479 --> 01:38:18,880
Speaker 3: where you are offended that I am not trying to

2148
01:38:18,920 --> 01:38:21,200
Speaker 3: pronounce things properly, but I'm speaking English. I'm going to

2149
01:38:21,200 --> 01:38:23,920
Speaker 3: give you English version, but also, there will be times

2150
01:38:23,920 --> 01:38:26,200
Speaker 3: where you probably don't know what I'm talking about, because

2151
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Speaker 3: I feel like if I tell you that I'm going

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Speaker 3: to have my car valeted, You're probably going to be confused,

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Speaker 3: aren't you, Because I could I could say valet and

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Speaker 3: then you know, but I'm speaking English, and on a

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Speaker 3: matter of principle, I'm going to I'm just I'm going

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Speaker 3: to stick with it. James. I look forward to your

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Speaker 3: correspondence on this, Heather. You've got to change your mind

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Speaker 3: on the home where it's absolutely gold. But I think

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Speaker 3: there is also a movement away from teflon because of

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Speaker 3: chemicals and going back to more cast iron products. Well

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Speaker 3: that's cool. I just want my cast iron product to

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Speaker 3: look like it comes from twenty twenty. It's like, look,

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Speaker 3: I'll be I'm going to be generous. I don't mind

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Speaker 3: my cast iron product looks like it comes from twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 3: But I am not going to have my cast iron

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Speaker 3: product sitting on my stove looking like it comes from

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Speaker 3: the nineteen seventies. So that's not a vibe right now.

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Speaker 14: Hence, I cannot wait to see how this spledge of

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Speaker 14: yours starts going wrong. I mean imagine if you start

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Speaker 14: to try and invite your friends out to go see

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Speaker 14: the ballets dancing, and you know you say, hey, you

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Speaker 14: know what, Yeah, you should wear your barretts out there.

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Speaker 14: You'll look really good in your barrets. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 14: your barrett looks very shick or chick.

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Speaker 11: Sorry.

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Speaker 3: I do have somebody in my life who did once

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Speaker 3: say to me, oh, you're looking chick today, And I thought,

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Speaker 3: but I mean, like, why am I trying to say? Oh,

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Speaker 3: I want to afford a riprosh more nat, you know, like.

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Speaker 14: Exactly, And in this way, people understand what you're saying

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Speaker 14: better now that you're using better English. That's definitely how

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Speaker 14: that will work. West n Girls by the Pitt Shop

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Speaker 14: Boys to play us out tonight. The Pit Shop Boys

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Speaker 14: have been honored with a Pop Pioneers Award at the

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Speaker 14: MTV Europe Music Awards today. This is the first such

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Speaker 14: award that's been given out and it seems to be

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Speaker 14: just like a lifetimee Achievement award, but they've given it

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Speaker 14: a different name because pop Pioneers sounds a bit better.

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Speaker 14: Forty years since this, which was their first record, came out,

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Speaker 14: and I feel like you've really.

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Speaker 3: Screwed with my plans, because now I'm going to have

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Speaker 3: to say ballot formerly known as ballet every time I

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Speaker 3: say it.

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Speaker 14: Well, yeah, I was gonna say it all made sense,

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Speaker 14: didn't until you hit an edge case, And now all.

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Speaker 3: Of a sudden it's annoying that you're so smart.

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Speaker 1: What is it?

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Speaker 3: Oh, deb debs, Yeah, Debores dibbit. This is my All

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Speaker 3: Blacks Debit debut. Oh I'm gonna have trouble, aren't I.

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Speaker 3: I might have to bend on this principle. Thanks ants,

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Speaker 3: Thanks also to producer Michael, who just got involved there,

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Speaker 3: just briefly. Anyway, James, we'll chat soon, mate. See around Bar.

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