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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Find your

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Speaker 2: Just the reminder, the police are holding a press conference

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Speaker 2: again in ten minutes time on Tom Phillips and the kids,

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Speaker 2: so we will be bringing you that live. Tris Sharerson

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Speaker 2: and Joseph Gania with us on the huddle this evening.

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Speaker 2: Hello you two, Hello, Hello Trish. What did you make

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Speaker 2: of the Tom Phillips The way this has played out?

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Speaker 2: It is really grim and sad, isn't it horrible?

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Speaker 3: Tragic? But unfortunately, probably if we'd looked at Tom Phillips'

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Speaker 3: behavior over the you know, particularly over the last few months,

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Speaker 3: it was probably predictable. From here, my ask is this,

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Speaker 3: these kids did not ask to be dragged into this.

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Speaker 3: They were very small children at the time, and I

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Speaker 3: think from here we need to protect these kids and

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Speaker 3: their futures. So my ask would be not to splash

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Speaker 3: these kids in their faces all over the media. My

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Speaker 3: ask would be if there's footage of the kids coming out,

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Speaker 3: that it's pixelated. These kids will have to live with

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Speaker 3: what's online about them from here, and they are going

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Speaker 3: to have a hell of a road to re integrate

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Speaker 3: back they are probably in a really difficult state. And

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Speaker 3: so that would be my ask from here that we

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Speaker 3: should really now think about protecting the kids and their

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Speaker 3: identity because the pressure that would come on them from

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Speaker 3: having their faces splashed around is going to add to

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Speaker 3: what they have to work through and live with for

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Speaker 3: the rest of their lives.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a really good point, AJOC.

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Speaker 4: And it's been extraordinary that it's taken nearly four years

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Speaker 4: for this to come to an almost inevitable conclusion. I mean,

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Speaker 4: you know Tom Phillips had guns. We knew he had guns.

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Speaker 4: There are children there. Inevitably, at some point a gun's

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Speaker 4: going to go off, right, And that was always the

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Speaker 4: fair And I think that explains when you look at

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Speaker 4: it and you think, how could the police not found

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Speaker 4: them sooner? I think the explanation is that that combination

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Speaker 4: of kids, guns and an unstable father was just an

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Speaker 4: awful potential situation just.

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Speaker 2: Waiting to go off.

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Speaker 4: So I mean, go your heart goes out to the cop.

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Speaker 4: I mean, we've probably all got cop friends. I've got

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Speaker 4: a mother whose son is a cop. You know, you

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Speaker 4: just think you know this cops who is in hospital

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Speaker 4: stable condition, but you know been shot multiple times in

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Speaker 4: the head. I mean, you're absolutely right, Trish, and I

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Speaker 4: think it's going to be really hard to guarantee that.

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Speaker 4: I mean, there's just so much interest in this story,

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Speaker 4: but you know, those kids are gonna they're just going

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Speaker 4: to face an uphill.

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Speaker 3: But sometimes I think that we have to put our

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Speaker 3: own sort of not prurient interests, but their curiosity. There

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Speaker 3: is no public interest in showing these kids over time.

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Speaker 3: And I was thinking back today to famous sort of

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Speaker 3: cases of young people who kind of were wrapped up

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Speaker 3: in a story that the nation became focused on. I'm

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Speaker 3: thinking of the Twins way back on the day because

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Speaker 3: I worked on that with the Homes program. Those girls

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Speaker 3: really had a much tougher time because the media were

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Speaker 3: focused on them. And remember, these kids are mine, minor minors.

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Speaker 3: These kids aren't even teenagers yet. And as I say,

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Speaker 3: this is all out of their control. So I think,

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Speaker 3: you know, that would be for all of us interested

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Speaker 3: in this, covering it, editors, whatever, I think, thinking about

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Speaker 3: those kids and we're too from here has got to

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Speaker 3: be the big thing. And I also agree with Josie

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Speaker 3: a massive shout out to that cop. You know, I

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Speaker 3: grew up in a very rural community. Often cops go

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Speaker 3: They do an amazing job. So you know, obviously all

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Speaker 3: good wishes go out to that policeman and his family.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I really hope he gets better soon, really quickly.

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Speaker 2: What do you think, Josie, Am I am? I am?

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Speaker 2: I being weird about Stuart Nashville.

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Speaker 3: Is it the coup?

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Speaker 2: Is it just because I like him? Or is it

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Speaker 2: a coop?

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Speaker 4: We all likes you and it is the best not

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Speaker 4: kept secret. I mean, it was no secret that, as

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Speaker 4: you said, flirting with New Zealand first and Winston, you're shameless, shamelessly,

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Speaker 4: honestly short of taking his top off and showing off,

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Speaker 3: His gal he's done for me.

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Speaker 4: Don't give him an excuse to take his shirt off.

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Speaker 4: But I do think, to be serious, I think he's

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Speaker 4: got you know, when you look at him in government, forestry,

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Speaker 4: he's got stuff he wants to.

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Speaker 2: Do around crime, policing.

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Speaker 4: These are things he feels are unfinished and I can understand.

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Speaker 4: And look, I mean, I feel you're talking about being

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Speaker 4: a sort of center left person and politician. I feel

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Speaker 4: like I'm in the center left, and I think the

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Speaker 4: center can be really radical. And I feel like people

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Speaker 4: like me and perhaps Stuart to have been excommunicated for

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Speaker 4: Labour Party, they.

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Speaker 2: Don't even realize what a lot it is to lose you.

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Speaker 2: People likes you and you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I will go to overseas conferences where it's

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Speaker 4: and so on, and I'm sitting there on a panel

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Speaker 4: no question whatsoever that I belong in the labor movement here.

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Speaker 4: Oh you know, I mean I wrote a column about

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Speaker 4: it this week. I've got attacked by Media Watch and

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Speaker 4: Aaron Z for being what was that, something like crotchety

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Speaker 4: and conservative opinions ostensibly less conservative.

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Speaker 3: It was like, try to tell.

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Speaker 4: Audience that I'm I'm conservatively ostensibly.

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Speaker 2: She did not answer the question, Trish, have I got

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Speaker 2: weird about stew or is it actually a coup?

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Speaker 3: It's a coup, I thank you. I do think it's

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Speaker 3: a coup for New Zealand. First, you know what I

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Speaker 3: love about Stuart Nash. Some people would describe it as hutzpa.

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Speaker 3: Other people would describe it as having moretion, more front

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Speaker 3: than a rat with a gold tooth. There's just something

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Speaker 3: really likable about ste I also, I'm equal parts fascinated

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Speaker 3: just can't get politics out of their system and they

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Speaker 3: and they want to go back. But to Joe's point,

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Speaker 3: I think it's another blow for Labor in a weekend

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Speaker 3: when they have had another schooling on the fact that

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Speaker 3: they have lost their core constituency. So the loss for

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Speaker 3: them in the Tama Chemikodo by election, and as you

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Speaker 3: pointed out, that loss came particularly from the working class suburbs.

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Speaker 3: That to me is going to do two things. One is,

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Speaker 3: hopefully it sends Labor thinking harder about the fact that

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Speaker 3: they cannot just coast to the next election. But number two,

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Speaker 3: the fact that they have really lost touch and lost

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Speaker 3: their way. And I think, if anything, that by election

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Speaker 3: is probably going to be a call to action about

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Speaker 3: Chris Hipkins's.

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Speaker 2: What right, you're back with news talks. We just back

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Speaker 2: with the huddle, standing by for the police press conference

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Speaker 2: as soon as they front up for the cameras. We

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Speaker 2: will break to it, so you know, don't worry, you're

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Speaker 2: not going to miss out on anything. In the meantime,

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Speaker 2: Tris Jerson and JOSEPEGANI is with us. Josie I interrupted,

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Speaker 2: you wanted to say something about the by election.

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Speaker 4: Well, so, yes, it's bad for Labor. I mean they

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Speaker 4: failed to get the vote out, right, So there was

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Speaker 4: literally about I think twenty percent of forty four thousand

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Speaker 4: eligible voters. That's about that's that's almost half the number

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Speaker 4: who came out in the election. Now, yes, by elections

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Speaker 4: the vote number always goes down, but you know, you'd

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Speaker 4: also say Labor and TA Party Marti failed to get

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Speaker 4: a big vote out, So that's not a resounding you

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