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Speaker 1: Ron Little is beck with us this Tuesday morning, Roder,

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Speaker 1: very good morning.

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Speaker 2: To you, Good morning to you, Mike.

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Speaker 1: So a couple of hours ago the manifesto was launched

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Speaker 1: for the Reform Party. It's out of the box thinking.

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Speaker 1: According to Nige Nige, when the pole came out the

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Speaker 1: other day and he's beating the Tories, must be having

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Speaker 1: the time of his life.

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Speaker 2: He is an agent of misrule who is thoroughly enjoying himself.

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Speaker 2: It's like a second resurrection for him, he having carried

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Speaker 2: Britain to leaving the European Union back in twenty sixteen. Yes,

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Speaker 2: he is having the time of his life. And so

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Speaker 2: of course our the Reform Party, who prior to his

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Speaker 2: intervention and the news that he would lead the party

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Speaker 2: and stand in Clacton, were looking pretty bereft and would

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Speaker 2: have made scant difference to this particular election. It's all

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Speaker 2: changed now. The latest polls suggest that in many constituencies

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Speaker 2: Reform is way ahead, and the national polls suggesting that.

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Speaker 1: Their neck and neck amazing, isn't it. That's what I

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Speaker 1: wanted to ask you, sir, since we last talked nineteen

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Speaker 1: seventeen or nineteen eighteen or whatever it was does it

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Speaker 1: trendslate though into seats once again, this first past the

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Speaker 1: post system. Can they win actual seats and if they can,

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Speaker 1: how many?

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Speaker 2: It still doesn't translate. Frankly, it may translate if the

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Speaker 2: trajectory is right at the moment, into four or five seats.

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Speaker 2: It is so incredibly difficult to break into the two

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Speaker 2: party system which we have here because of the first

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Speaker 2: part of post system. They've got to be getting up

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Speaker 2: towards thirty percent of the vote before they really really

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Speaker 2: start to get large numbers of seats. That's the problem

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Speaker 2: they have. It's a problem all the non main two

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Speaker 2: or three parties have and that remains the case. But

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Speaker 2: what it does, I mean, it takes an enormous suaze

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Speaker 2: of votes of the Conservative Party. Seeing evidence and Kirs

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Speaker 2: Starin has been asked about this that they're taking quite

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Speaker 2: a large sway of votes off the Labor Party as well,

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Speaker 2: and that would figure because of course, an author of

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Speaker 2: the red Wall seats were people who wanted Brexit, were

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Speaker 2: in favor of a very conservative social policy and they've

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Speaker 2: switched back to Labor. But now say, ah, yeah, no,

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Speaker 2: that's what we agree with.

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Speaker 1: Really, I was watching We're streeting over the weekend. He's

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Speaker 1: a labor man, and he was sort of refusing to

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Speaker 1: rule that council text rises, reevaluations, all that sort of

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Speaker 1: stuff when they talk about that stuff or when labors

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Speaker 1: pressed on that stuff. Is there any fear out there

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Speaker 1: that they're going to say one thing and do something

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Speaker 1: completely different when they're in government.

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Speaker 2: Yes, there is. I mean that there is a feeling

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Speaker 2: that they're going to raise taxes. I suspect the feeling

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Speaker 2: that they're going to raise taxes in many, many areas,

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Speaker 2: which will injurious be injurious to a lot of people.

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Speaker 2: But to a great degree, the public sort of signed

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Speaker 2: up to that. It's kind of baked in. I don't

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Speaker 2: think there is a great reluctance amongst the public to

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Speaker 2: support more investment in public services and industry. There may

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Speaker 2: be a greater reluctance to invest in our welfare bill,

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Speaker 2: you know, but those nuances don't come through it during

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Speaker 2: an election campaign.

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Speaker 1: How's your campaign going, Ron.

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Speaker 2: Quietly, It's okay. I was out leaveletting today and nobody

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Speaker 2: actually assaulted me. I wasn't milkshaked. I looked after a

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Speaker 2: constituent's dog while he went into the chemists are. We're

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Speaker 2: doing all right, but but you know, you do have

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Speaker 2: to stress help. I've got the backing of reform, even

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Speaker 2: though I disagree with them on a bunch of issues

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Speaker 2: for this election, but you cannot overstress how difficult it

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Speaker 2: is to make headway in a system which is basically

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Speaker 2: set up for two parties, and the reason it's set

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Speaker 2: up for two parties is to ensure a degree of

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Speaker 2: stability and to mitigate against change. The feeling from the

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Speaker 2: electorate at the moment is that what it really wants

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Speaker 2: is change, and that's a problem.

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