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Speaker 1: Paid deal one for some of our school's primary principles

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Speaker 1: are voted to accept about thirteen hundred covered. It's a

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Speaker 1: two point five percent rise, a further two point one

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Speaker 1: next year, and also a fifteen thousand dollars curriculum change allowance.

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Speaker 1: There's also a boost literacy and numerous leadership payments. In

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Speaker 1: Erica Stanford, the Education Minister is with us. Good morning,

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Speaker 1: Good morning mate, So how many down? How many to go?

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Speaker 2: We have just got primary teachers to go. We've done

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Speaker 2: all the principles now and the secondary school teachers and

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Speaker 2: we've just got the primary team and.

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Speaker 1: They're back today. What's wrong with the teachers because the

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Speaker 1: offer to them that they rejected is two point five

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Speaker 1: to two point one, which is the same as the

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Speaker 1: principles as far as I can work out, and that's

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Speaker 1: similar numbers that the secondary teachers accepted. So what's the

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Speaker 1: primary teachers problem.

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Speaker 2: Well, they've been talking a lot about wanting to have

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Speaker 2: the Treaty of White Hongey acknowledged in their agreement. Yes,

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Speaker 2: and then also they have been talking a lot about

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Speaker 2: teacher aids and classrooms. We have already delivered in last

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Speaker 2: year's budget. The biggest increase in learning Support Generation seven

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Speaker 2: hundred and fifty million dollars, which includes hundreds of thousands

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Speaker 2: of hours of teacher aides. So we have ticked that off.

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Speaker 2: There's always more we can do, but that has been

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Speaker 2: already delivered through a budget. We just need to do

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Speaker 2: it through.

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Speaker 1: Is this the is the union, particularly in this case

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Speaker 1: a problem.

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Speaker 2: Look that the union are the union and they often

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Speaker 2: talk about things like the treaty and its place in

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Speaker 2: collective agreements.

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Speaker 1: Is that one you're seriously telling me that's what's holding

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Speaker 1: it up. So the secondary teachers say yes please, principles

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Speaker 1: say yes please. But the primary teachers, as long as

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Speaker 1: we can do a bit more treaty stuff, we're not signed.

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Speaker 1: Is that what this is down to.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's one of the things that they've been talking about,

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Speaker 2: and it's one of the things that they raised with me,

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Speaker 2: and certainly when I went to their conference a couple

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Speaker 2: of years ago, it was the main it was the

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Speaker 2: main thrust of the conference.

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Speaker 1: So yes, So how does I take a Brian Roach's

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Speaker 1: running this? How does he get around that?

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Speaker 2: Well, he's already said to them that we had to

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Speaker 2: negotiate paying conditions and the treaty is not something that

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Speaker 2: we are going to negotiate on, so he's already made

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Speaker 2: that very clear. You know, we are here to implement

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Speaker 2: an enormous reform package to raise student achievement, and we're

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Speaker 2: here to look at classroom resources and professional learning and

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Speaker 2: development and help with the curriculum. Hence why we've settled

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Speaker 2: with the principles in that sort of manner around the reform.

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Speaker 1: Parent, do you think your average parent understands what's going

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Speaker 1: on here for their five year old seeing them off

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Speaker 1: to school, that's really about the treaty that told them

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Speaker 1: that next time the teachers are on strike.

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Speaker 2: Well, the NZDI have been clear about that, so it's

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Speaker 2: out there in the public and whether or not the

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Speaker 2: parents know about it, I don't know. But look, it

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Speaker 2: is frustrating when we are trying to make sure that

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Speaker 2: parents are getting reporting, clear reporting that they are having

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Speaker 2: twice yearly assessments to measure progress, and we are raising achievement.

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Speaker 2: You know, it is a bit frustrating to be held

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Speaker 2: up over these things. Look, it's not the only thing.

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Speaker 2: As I say that, we're also talking about better learning support.

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Speaker 2: But as I say, we've already delivered a three quarter

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Speaker 2: of a billion dollar package in this area. So it

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Speaker 2: will be very frustrating if we're back to disruptions in

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Speaker 2: the classroom of something we've already delivered.

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Speaker 1: Couldn't agree more. Put your immigration hat on. So the

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Speaker 1: power to ask suspected overstairs for identification in homes and workplaces.

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Speaker 1: Radio and New Zealand have managed to drum up a

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Speaker 1: lawyer this morning that suggests this is one step closer

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Speaker 1: to ice? Are we heading towards ice in Minneapolis here?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Look, of course not. There is a very obvious

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Speaker 2: gap where when we send in a compliance officer to

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Speaker 2: specifically go and ask someone about something which we caught,

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Speaker 2: which quite often happens. They will go to a workplace

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Speaker 2: or a home, they'll be talking to that person that

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Speaker 2: they're there to see, and then somebody else will jump

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Speaker 2: out of a window and run away or hide from them.

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Speaker 2: Now it's clear that that person clearly is in breach

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Speaker 2: of their visa, but our officers can do nothing about it. Currently,

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Speaker 2: I don't have the legal power to say to the

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Speaker 2: person who's trying to run or hide, hello, what's your name?

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Speaker 2: They're not allowed to do that. It is just it's

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Speaker 2: a ridiculous loophole that we are closing. It does not

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Speaker 2: mean that they will be able to walk down the

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Speaker 2: street and ask you for your identification papers. It will

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Speaker 2: be in their normal course of duty when they're out

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Speaker 2: seeing someone else, if they have reasonable grounds, and that'll

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Speaker 2: be the key to ask that person for identification. So

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Speaker 2: of course I know the lawyer who have gone on

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Speaker 2: ourn zed and this is what iren Z does. But

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Speaker 2: if it is a very clear loophole we're trying to close.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate your time, Erica Stanford, Minister of Education and Minister

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Speaker 1: of Immigration. And then there are the two sides of

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Speaker 1: New Zealand as I understand them at the moment. One

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Speaker 1: a person who's trying to fix and rectify the place.

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Speaker 1: On the other side, people who are hell bent on

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Speaker 1: keeping us in misery and being downtrodden. For more from

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