1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,160 Speaker 1: The government is proposing a shake up of the road 2 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: rules that would require motorists to give cyclists and horse 3 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: riders at least a meter clearance when passing, and it 4 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: would allow ees scooters to use cycle lanes and kids 5 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 1: under the age of twelve to ride their bikes on 6 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: foot paths. Chris Buship is the Transport Minister high. 7 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 2: Bish good E. 8 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:18,479 Speaker 1: Now is part of what you're doing just changing the 9 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 1: law to reflect what we are already doing. 10 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:24,159 Speaker 2: That's part of it, to be honest. I mean a 11 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 2: lot of people will be surprised to learn that if 12 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 2: your kids ten and goes out for a bike along 13 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 2: the footpath, you're actually technically breaking the law. It's how 14 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 2: a lot of kids learn to bikes, how I learned 15 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 2: to bike, for example, and how a lot of young 16 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 2: key wee kids grow up. So it's just reflecting reality 17 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 2: and same with the eestcooters and cycle lanes for example. 18 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 2: I mean, I think a lot of people would be 19 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 2: surprised to learn that's against the rules at the moment. 20 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 2: So you know, you've got to keep the law up 21 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:49,239 Speaker 2: with reality and how people actually live their lives, and 22 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 2: so that's what we're doing. 23 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: I can't imagine much of this is going to be 24 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: particularly controversial. What do you think. 25 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 2: I don't think so. I mean, we're doing a whole 26 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 2: lot of other smaller changes around heavy vehicles for example 27 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 2: as well. Look to be honest with you, heither the 28 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 2: law has just been out of date and this for 29 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 2: probably ten to fifteen years. It's part of sort of 30 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 2: good stewardship of the box and making sure that we 31 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 2: keep the statue books up to date with what we're doing. 32 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 2: And there's a whole lot of red tape around heavy vehicles, 33 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 2: which you know most people will find incredibly boring. It's 34 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 2: incredibly complicated, but it's all red tape and compliance costs 35 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 2: and it does flow through to the price of goods 36 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 2: and over time makes a difference. So this is all about, 37 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 2: you know, getting on with the basics of fixing New Zealand. 38 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: How seriously, though, do you expect people to take this? 39 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: I mean, are you expecting that? 40 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 2: Yep? 41 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: Your twelve year olds on the foot path a minute 42 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 1: they turn thirteen, they're often they're on the road and 43 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 1: it's dangerous, but they're on the road. 44 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 2: Oh look, don't I don't think that's going to be 45 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 2: the case. Obviously, and you know, absolutely not. But I 46 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 2: think this rule that we're making, or the rule change 47 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 2: we're making, strikes you know, the right balance. 48 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: Really, the reason I'm asking is because it kind of 49 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: fundamentally gets I mean, I reach this point where I go, well, 50 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: why do we even have these rules, because for the 51 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: most part we were actually not following them. We're using 52 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: our common sense. And you can't really object if someone's 53 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: using their common sense, if they're fourteen years old and 54 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: on the footpath instead of a busy main road. So 55 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: what really is the point in these rules? 56 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 2: Well, that would be my major point, which is that 57 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 2: so much of the of being safe on the roads 58 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 2: is actually about common sense, which I think is the 59 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 2: point you make, and we've sort of lost sight of 60 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 2: that in New Zealand a long time ago. So yeah, 61 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 2: you know, be safer to everybody, keep safe on the 62 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 2: roads usually common sense. I mean, you know a bit 63 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 2: of that goes along. 64 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: With I mean, is it not possible just to make 65 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: a rule along the lines of you should largely be 66 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: cycling on the road if you can, but if it's 67 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,079 Speaker 1: really busy and you can go slowly on the foot path, 68 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: that's also chilling. It doesn't really matter what age you are. 69 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:45,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, look, we're out for consultation. We're not wedded 70 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 2: to the twelve year old thing, and that's just a 71 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 2: you know, it's a good proxy for when you know, 72 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 2: around about twelve thirteen year it's sort of safe to 73 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 2: go on the roads. But we're not wedded to that. 74 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:55,519 Speaker 2: So if people reckon that's a good rule, we're happy 75 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 2: to know. I'm happy to take feedback here. 76 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 1: Now listen, bitsh have you seen what's going on in 77 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: all clin it's in the new today. There are a 78 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: whole bunch of townhouses that haven't sold because there are 79 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 1: just too many townhouses in Auckland, and there are townhouses 80 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,399 Speaker 1: that no one wants because there's no parking outside, kind 81 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: of bringing us to the point that maybe density doesn't 82 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: always work. 83 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen that, and you know, there's a bit 84 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,079 Speaker 2: of feedback coming in. So we're having a look at 85 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 2: car park provision and management as part of you know, 86 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 2: the resource management at reforms. We've we've kicked off some 87 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 2: work on that. You know, I get it in suburban areas, 88 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 2: you know, people want car parks, you know, but they 89 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 2: don't necessarily want them in apartments by truss stations for example. 90 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 2: So there's a bit of a balance to be struck 91 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 2: there and we're having a look at that. 92 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: Thank you very much, Chris Boshop, Transport Minister. 93 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 2: For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to 94 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 2: news talks. 95 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast 96 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio.