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Speaker 1: The safest place to be is in the black Is

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Speaker 1: that what you call it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so camping into that location is preferred because it's

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Speaker 1: not going to get burnt over.

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Speaker 2: Were you just perpetually dirty the whole time as a result.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a dirty job. Yeah. But but of course

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Speaker 1: you know, like you come home, you have a wash.

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Speaker 1: Lakes are great for swimming and at the end of

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Speaker 1: the day over bath. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And if the soot and the heat and the black

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Speaker 2: bears weren't enough. You were also telling me about the

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Speaker 2: invasion of insects.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't actually realize you could have so many

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Speaker 1: different types of bugs or present in one place. Everything's

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Speaker 1: out to get you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And you said it sort of comes in waves.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So in the morning you'd have the black the

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Speaker 1: horse flies, and then and then after the horse flies

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Speaker 1: come the mosquitoes, and then they sort of disappear, and

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Speaker 1: then then you've got the black flies turn up, and

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Speaker 1: then after that is wasps turn up and harass you

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Speaker 1: for a little bit, and then it's back to the

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Speaker 1: to the horse flies again.

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Speaker 2: Did you ever catch a break?

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Speaker 1: And you actually, to be honest, when it's smoky, everything

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Speaker 1: seems to leave you alone when it's you know, if

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Speaker 1: you're working in the smoke.

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Speaker 2: Oh so you welcome the smoking.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, unfortunately that's not that great for your healthy it's

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Speaker 1: a real Yeah, it's a compromise.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, wow, so as the bushman's doing anything for you.

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Speaker 1: The New Zealand stuff, the guys, I didn't actually put

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Speaker 1: it on. I tried it for a day and then.

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Speaker 2: I just gave up. Or you hard, oh, because it

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Speaker 2: didn't do anything.

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Speaker 1: I just preferred to get bitten then to put copious

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Speaker 1: amounts of djee.

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Speaker 2: You're a hard man.

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Speaker 1: But when I found they didn't, they didn't really attack

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Speaker 1: me too bad. I also had like when we were

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Speaker 1: stopping for some you know, for lunch or something, i'd

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Speaker 1: have a net that I put over my head, like

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Speaker 1: a you know, like a mosquito net.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like a beekeeper. It's funny how some people are

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Speaker 2: more prone to bugs in others. There's got to be

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Speaker 2: some signs behind me. For instance, I don't tend to

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Speaker 2: get too bitten, as we found on the West Coast

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Speaker 2: a couple of months back. But another body of mine, Craig,

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Speaker 2: practically got eaten alive.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. It is something in that, and I think someone

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Speaker 1: told me bananas for example. They like the chemical composition

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Speaker 1: of bananas.

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Speaker 2: So no bananas when you're fishing, No bananas when you're

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Speaker 2: fire fighting in Canada.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's something in it and then that comes out

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Speaker 1: your skin and yeah yeah right.

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Speaker 2: Do you feel richer for the experience, Steve, like you're

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Speaker 2: happy you've done it?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Very much. So.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, there's something really rewarding being able to

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Speaker 1: go and helping any community, whether it's in New Zealand

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Speaker 1: or or back you overseas somewhere like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, do you feel like you made a difference when

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Speaker 2: we're talking such vast areas in terrains? Yeah, the scale

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Speaker 2: is absolutely mind blowing, you know, when you talk about

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Speaker 2: one hundred and sixty thousand hecked he is, Yes, the

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Speaker 2: better part of mid Canterbury, you know, and and yeah

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Speaker 2: it can be a bit daunting, but you know, the

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Speaker 2: gratitude from the locals was really humbling. You know, they

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Speaker 2: were really grateful that we were protecting their communities.

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Speaker 1: So yeah,