1 00:00:06,815 --> 00:00:10,415 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Resident Builder podcast with Peter wolf 2 00:00:10,415 --> 00:00:14,015 Speaker 1: Camp from News Talks at B. Whether you're petting the ceiling, 3 00:00:14,055 --> 00:00:16,695 Speaker 1: fixing the fence, or wondering how to fix that hole 4 00:00:16,775 --> 00:00:18,935 Speaker 1: in the wall, give Peter wolf Camp a call on 5 00:00:19,175 --> 00:00:22,975 Speaker 1: eighty The Resident Builder on News Talks at B. 6 00:00:31,375 --> 00:00:37,215 Speaker 2: A house sizzor even when it's dug, even when the 7 00:00:37,255 --> 00:00:42,615 Speaker 2: grass is overgrown in the yard, even when a dog 8 00:00:42,855 --> 00:00:44,535 Speaker 2: is too old to barn. 9 00:00:45,855 --> 00:00:48,615 Speaker 3: And when you're sitting at the table trying to have 10 00:00:48,815 --> 00:00:49,735 Speaker 3: to starve. 11 00:00:51,295 --> 00:00:54,375 Speaker 4: Scissor home even when we. 12 00:00:54,735 --> 00:00:55,455 Speaker 3: Are ben. 13 00:00:56,815 --> 00:01:00,335 Speaker 2: Even when you're therellone. 14 00:01:10,415 --> 00:01:12,815 Speaker 4: Houses a home, even. 15 00:01:12,575 --> 00:01:16,975 Speaker 3: When there's goes, even when you go around from the 16 00:01:17,055 --> 00:01:18,695 Speaker 3: ones you love your most. 17 00:01:20,215 --> 00:01:22,855 Speaker 4: Scream does broken paints a peel in front of. 18 00:01:25,295 --> 00:01:32,735 Speaker 3: Locals visperle when they're going and leaving neighbor house, even 19 00:01:32,815 --> 00:01:37,855 Speaker 3: when will then, even when you're in there alone. 20 00:01:51,535 --> 00:01:53,815 Speaker 5: Well, a very good morning, and welcome along to the 21 00:01:53,855 --> 00:01:56,655 Speaker 5: rest the Builder. On Sunday here at news Talk Zidby, 22 00:01:56,735 --> 00:01:59,975 Speaker 5: we are here to talk all things building and construction. 23 00:02:00,775 --> 00:02:03,415 Speaker 5: And when I say all things, the range is actually 24 00:02:03,535 --> 00:02:06,055 Speaker 5: pretty wide. So this is the good old practical stuff. 25 00:02:06,895 --> 00:02:13,215 Speaker 5: Something's broken, something squeaked, something jam something fell off, something's rotting, 26 00:02:13,295 --> 00:02:19,295 Speaker 5: something's peeling, something's decaying, something's just anything that's a problem 27 00:02:19,335 --> 00:02:21,735 Speaker 5: basically around the house. We can talk about that, and 28 00:02:21,775 --> 00:02:25,055 Speaker 5: we can talk about the I guess, not necessarily the 29 00:02:25,095 --> 00:02:29,495 Speaker 5: practical stuff, but the design, the planning, the preparation, the 30 00:02:30,015 --> 00:02:34,095 Speaker 5: selection of materials, the figuring out which system, which combination 31 00:02:34,215 --> 00:02:36,975 Speaker 5: of elements is going to work best for you. And 32 00:02:37,015 --> 00:02:42,295 Speaker 5: then there's the personal stuff choosing contractors, managing contractors once 33 00:02:42,335 --> 00:02:47,135 Speaker 5: you've chosen them, and potentially dealing with disputes and so 34 00:02:47,175 --> 00:02:50,975 Speaker 5: on afterwards, and you know that's often what happens. I 35 00:02:50,975 --> 00:02:53,775 Speaker 5: would it would be really interesting. We did an interview, gosh, 36 00:02:53,775 --> 00:02:56,495 Speaker 5: a couple of years ago now with kind of like 37 00:02:56,535 --> 00:03:00,175 Speaker 5: the chief adjudicator at the disputes tribunal. It would be 38 00:03:00,215 --> 00:03:02,975 Speaker 5: interesting to get some statistics from them as to how 39 00:03:03,055 --> 00:03:06,375 Speaker 5: many you know what percentage of claims to the if 40 00:03:06,415 --> 00:03:13,055 Speaker 5: it's tribunal basically center around construction and property, you know, 41 00:03:13,135 --> 00:03:16,055 Speaker 5: as it with regard to a neighbor for fencing, is 42 00:03:16,095 --> 00:03:19,295 Speaker 5: it a contractor who's done a job potentially and done 43 00:03:19,295 --> 00:03:22,495 Speaker 5: it poorly and you're seeking some redress from a contractor 44 00:03:24,055 --> 00:03:27,015 Speaker 5: I've actually got I'm going to just note that down 45 00:03:27,055 --> 00:03:28,535 Speaker 5: that might be quite an interesting thing to have a 46 00:03:28,535 --> 00:03:31,095 Speaker 5: look at. So sometimes it doesn't go well, and other 47 00:03:31,175 --> 00:03:34,055 Speaker 5: times it goes. It goes exceptionally well and we get 48 00:03:34,055 --> 00:03:38,215 Speaker 5: to celebrate that perfect combination of the right products, the 49 00:03:38,295 --> 00:03:42,895 Speaker 5: right people, the right design, and a tremendous outcome. So 50 00:03:42,975 --> 00:03:44,615 Speaker 5: maybe we can talk about that on the show this 51 00:03:44,655 --> 00:03:47,495 Speaker 5: morning as well. Either way, it is completely up to you. 52 00:03:48,215 --> 00:03:50,135 Speaker 5: What is in front of you, What do you want 53 00:03:50,175 --> 00:03:53,255 Speaker 5: to talk about, What is your primary concern when it 54 00:03:53,295 --> 00:03:55,815 Speaker 5: comes to all things building and construction. We can talk 55 00:03:55,855 --> 00:03:59,095 Speaker 5: about that. The number is eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. 56 00:03:59,295 --> 00:04:01,575 Speaker 5: There is also an option to text in which is 57 00:04:01,655 --> 00:04:04,495 Speaker 5: nine two nine two is zbzb from your mobile phone. 58 00:04:04,855 --> 00:04:06,295 Speaker 5: And if you would like to send me an email 59 00:04:07,095 --> 00:04:09,975 Speaker 5: you know more than welcome. It's Pete at newstalksb dot 60 00:04:09,975 --> 00:04:13,135 Speaker 5: co dot Nz. So p e t E at Newstalk 61 00:04:13,175 --> 00:04:16,015 Speaker 5: sedb dot co dot Nz. The lines are open. The 62 00:04:16,055 --> 00:04:19,775 Speaker 5: number to call eight hundred eighty ten eighty. And just 63 00:04:19,815 --> 00:04:22,095 Speaker 5: talking about sort of I should right at the end 64 00:04:22,135 --> 00:04:25,175 Speaker 5: of my preamble, there's something about celebration. It was my 65 00:04:25,295 --> 00:04:29,335 Speaker 5: great pleasure on many ways to be invited to MC 66 00:04:29,615 --> 00:04:31,655 Speaker 5: and to offer up a bit of an after dinner 67 00:04:31,815 --> 00:04:38,495 Speaker 5: before dinner speech at the Auckland and Northland Regional Awards 68 00:04:38,535 --> 00:04:42,295 Speaker 5: for the Architectural Designers of New Zealand so ad n Z. 69 00:04:43,935 --> 00:04:47,495 Speaker 5: They have competitions each year for houses under one hundred 70 00:04:47,495 --> 00:04:49,495 Speaker 5: and fifty square meters, between one hundred and fifty and 71 00:04:49,535 --> 00:04:54,375 Speaker 5: three hundred for interiors, for color, and for some commercial 72 00:04:54,375 --> 00:04:58,975 Speaker 5: stuff as well. So does entries come in a panel 73 00:04:59,015 --> 00:05:01,415 Speaker 5: of judges view all of these. They travel right around 74 00:05:01,415 --> 00:05:05,015 Speaker 5: the country, so there's different awards culminating in a national 75 00:05:05,055 --> 00:05:09,415 Speaker 5: award and October. So I was invited to come along 76 00:05:09,415 --> 00:05:13,975 Speaker 5: to the event on Friday, which was absolutely stunning and 77 00:05:14,015 --> 00:05:16,415 Speaker 5: some of the house is fantastic, and then to see 78 00:05:16,815 --> 00:05:18,655 Speaker 5: and actually it was quite nice to know a couple 79 00:05:18,695 --> 00:05:22,175 Speaker 5: of the designers who won awards or were given awards, 80 00:05:22,175 --> 00:05:24,215 Speaker 5: granted awards and commendations. 81 00:05:24,855 --> 00:05:25,215 Speaker 6: Was great. 82 00:05:25,215 --> 00:05:27,895 Speaker 5: So that was I'm sure at some stage their designs 83 00:05:27,935 --> 00:05:30,255 Speaker 5: will be up online as well. But it was a 84 00:05:30,295 --> 00:05:34,735 Speaker 5: lovely evening to celebrate some very very fine architectural design. 85 00:05:34,895 --> 00:05:37,055 Speaker 5: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number 86 00:05:37,055 --> 00:05:38,975 Speaker 5: to call if you've got a question call us now. 87 00:05:39,175 --> 00:05:40,775 Speaker 5: A little bit later on One of the other things 88 00:05:40,815 --> 00:05:42,495 Speaker 5: I wanted to do is shine a bit of a 89 00:05:42,575 --> 00:05:46,415 Speaker 5: light to recognize and celebrate an organization that started ten 90 00:05:46,495 --> 00:05:50,895 Speaker 5: years ago called the Super Home Movement. Dan Saunders, who 91 00:05:51,015 --> 00:05:54,495 Speaker 5: is a trustee of the Super Home Movement and a builder, 92 00:05:54,575 --> 00:05:56,695 Speaker 5: He's got his own building company down in christ Church. 93 00:05:57,375 --> 00:06:00,295 Speaker 5: I spoke with him during the week and thought, right, 94 00:06:00,335 --> 00:06:02,495 Speaker 5: we'll get you on. I want to celebrate the fact 95 00:06:02,535 --> 00:06:05,335 Speaker 5: that this super Home movement has been around for ten 96 00:06:05,415 --> 00:06:08,895 Speaker 5: years do tremendous work. I've mentioned them a number of times. 97 00:06:08,895 --> 00:06:11,775 Speaker 5: If you're interested in building a house that is better 98 00:06:11,815 --> 00:06:14,695 Speaker 5: than just code minimum, where do you go for advice? 99 00:06:14,735 --> 00:06:17,095 Speaker 5: There's a couple of places, and certainly the Super Home 100 00:06:17,135 --> 00:06:21,735 Speaker 5: Movement and their online content, some of their video stuff, 101 00:06:21,815 --> 00:06:25,215 Speaker 5: and certainly the Super Home Guide or the Healthy Home 102 00:06:25,215 --> 00:06:28,935 Speaker 5: Guide is absolutely fantastic. So if you if you want 103 00:06:28,935 --> 00:06:31,975 Speaker 5: something that is better than code minimum, that's kind of 104 00:06:31,975 --> 00:06:33,575 Speaker 5: one of those places that you can go to. Oh 105 00:06:33,655 --> 00:06:36,255 Speaker 5: eight hundred eighty ten eighty the number to call Lovely 106 00:06:36,295 --> 00:06:38,975 Speaker 5: to be with you on this Sunday morning, last Sunday 107 00:06:39,015 --> 00:06:42,615 Speaker 5: of July August, Criky August is just around the corner. 108 00:06:43,175 --> 00:06:45,335 Speaker 5: And for those of you in well, I think most 109 00:06:45,375 --> 00:06:48,015 Speaker 5: of the country had not bad weather, certainly Auckland. It's 110 00:06:48,055 --> 00:06:53,175 Speaker 5: been a purler of a week, clear skies, cold, yes, 111 00:06:53,615 --> 00:06:56,455 Speaker 5: but plenty of opportunity to get some things done, which 112 00:06:56,495 --> 00:06:59,535 Speaker 5: is exactly what I've done this week, which has been great. 113 00:07:00,095 --> 00:07:02,415 Speaker 5: And apologies to my neighbors. I'm going to be working 114 00:07:02,415 --> 00:07:04,535 Speaker 5: today as well. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty the 115 00:07:04,575 --> 00:07:10,295 Speaker 5: number to call hullo, Ellen, goody, Allen? Oh now what's 116 00:07:11,055 --> 00:07:15,775 Speaker 5: going on here? It's gone blue on my side? Ah okay, 117 00:07:15,855 --> 00:07:18,015 Speaker 5: I tell you what. Just hold on there, mate, and 118 00:07:18,135 --> 00:07:20,095 Speaker 5: we'll come back to you in just a second. So 119 00:07:20,095 --> 00:07:21,815 Speaker 5: I popped them back on hold. We'll take a break 120 00:07:21,855 --> 00:07:22,775 Speaker 5: and come back to you in a moment. 121 00:07:23,615 --> 00:07:25,775 Speaker 4: Squeaky door or squeaky floor. 122 00:07:25,935 --> 00:07:29,255 Speaker 1: Get the right advice from Peter Wolfcare, the resident builder 123 00:07:29,455 --> 00:07:30,535 Speaker 1: on News Talks dead. 124 00:07:30,415 --> 00:07:33,335 Speaker 5: Br News Talk CB. We've got the technical stuff sorted out, 125 00:07:33,335 --> 00:07:36,415 Speaker 5: which is basically me not doing the right thing, which 126 00:07:36,455 --> 00:07:39,135 Speaker 5: is typical. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Then they were 127 00:07:39,215 --> 00:07:40,415 Speaker 5: to call Ellen, good morning to. 128 00:07:40,375 --> 00:07:43,335 Speaker 7: You very well. 129 00:07:43,335 --> 00:07:43,695 Speaker 5: Thanks. 130 00:07:44,095 --> 00:07:44,855 Speaker 8: How can I help us? 131 00:07:46,095 --> 00:07:48,135 Speaker 7: Good an issue with it? Or friend's got an issue 132 00:07:48,135 --> 00:07:51,175 Speaker 7: with a lot of conversation forming on the underneath side 133 00:07:51,215 --> 00:07:56,735 Speaker 7: of the roof underlay, and of course it's causing issues 134 00:07:56,775 --> 00:08:01,895 Speaker 7: in the in the ceiling space, water dropping off any suggestions, 135 00:08:02,895 --> 00:08:05,095 Speaker 7: it's obviously this time you were throats and so I'm 136 00:08:05,375 --> 00:08:07,855 Speaker 7: mid carebary, so getting a run a. 137 00:08:07,895 --> 00:08:15,935 Speaker 5: Frost, Yeah, probably inadequate insulation, so it's moving the dew 138 00:08:15,975 --> 00:08:18,935 Speaker 5: point right, and the dew point kind of occurs where 139 00:08:19,135 --> 00:08:23,175 Speaker 5: hot and cold meat. So obviously it's cold outside and 140 00:08:23,775 --> 00:08:26,775 Speaker 5: the cold is settling or the cold is around the roof. 141 00:08:26,855 --> 00:08:30,215 Speaker 5: Is it a concrete tall roof or a long run 142 00:08:30,255 --> 00:08:34,655 Speaker 5: metal metal, long run metal with some roofing underlay and 143 00:08:34,695 --> 00:08:37,295 Speaker 5: then an open sort of trust roof space. If you 144 00:08:37,335 --> 00:08:40,775 Speaker 5: can have a look inside there with some insulation, you'll 145 00:08:40,815 --> 00:08:43,495 Speaker 5: have heat. Whatever heat you can generate with inside the 146 00:08:43,495 --> 00:08:47,215 Speaker 5: house will be rising. It'll go through the ceiling, through 147 00:08:47,255 --> 00:08:50,735 Speaker 5: the plasterboard, it'll hit the insulation. In this instance, it's 148 00:08:50,775 --> 00:08:54,055 Speaker 5: probably going through the insulation, or enough of it's going 149 00:08:54,135 --> 00:08:59,615 Speaker 5: through to then meat the well. I mean realist, I 150 00:08:59,655 --> 00:09:03,695 Speaker 5: mean typically you'd expect to see condensation underneath the iron, 151 00:09:04,175 --> 00:09:07,015 Speaker 5: in which case that's why the building, the roofing underlay 152 00:09:07,055 --> 00:09:09,575 Speaker 5: is there, right, So the condensation that would occur because 153 00:09:09,615 --> 00:09:11,815 Speaker 5: that's going to be a colder surface than the paper 154 00:09:12,255 --> 00:09:15,255 Speaker 5: or the fabric of the roofing underlay. It should then 155 00:09:15,415 --> 00:09:20,855 Speaker 5: congregate on the underside of the iron, drop down onto 156 00:09:20,855 --> 00:09:24,455 Speaker 5: the roofing underlay, trickle along, drop down into the spouting. 157 00:09:24,535 --> 00:09:29,055 Speaker 5: That's what's supposed to happen. The other thing, you want 158 00:09:29,055 --> 00:09:31,855 Speaker 5: more ventilation in the roof space. That might help. 159 00:09:32,575 --> 00:09:35,935 Speaker 7: There's been vents put on feet to dre and compat this. 160 00:09:37,775 --> 00:09:44,535 Speaker 7: He's also wondering whether a more modern reasonable roof and 161 00:09:44,575 --> 00:09:45,175 Speaker 7: the lower. 162 00:09:45,015 --> 00:09:46,095 Speaker 5: Underlay would help. 163 00:09:46,215 --> 00:09:46,375 Speaker 6: Yes. 164 00:09:46,455 --> 00:09:50,175 Speaker 5: Probably if it's you know, the old black paper type thing, yes, 165 00:09:50,415 --> 00:09:54,015 Speaker 5: it probably doesn't work. But then the challenge is how 166 00:09:54,015 --> 00:09:56,615 Speaker 5: do you install that right, because ideally we want it 167 00:09:56,655 --> 00:09:59,535 Speaker 5: to be continuous, which means taking the iron off and 168 00:09:59,615 --> 00:10:03,575 Speaker 5: adding the roofing underlay. And look that's a really big ask. 169 00:10:04,495 --> 00:10:06,935 Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would be. 170 00:10:06,855 --> 00:10:10,975 Speaker 5: Looking at the quality of the insulation that's there and 171 00:10:11,135 --> 00:10:13,455 Speaker 5: things like, you know, like if lots of heat is 172 00:10:13,495 --> 00:10:16,215 Speaker 5: getting into that roof space. You know, if they've got 173 00:10:16,215 --> 00:10:21,495 Speaker 5: older incandescent down lights which you can't insulate around, and 174 00:10:21,535 --> 00:10:24,175 Speaker 5: also the actual shape of them, the form of them 175 00:10:24,255 --> 00:10:27,455 Speaker 5: is such that you've got the incandescent bulb which generates 176 00:10:27,495 --> 00:10:29,895 Speaker 5: a lot of heat, which draws heat to it, and 177 00:10:29,935 --> 00:10:32,495 Speaker 5: then it's got vents all around the top, so you're 178 00:10:32,535 --> 00:10:35,935 Speaker 5: actually letting quite a lot of heat into the space 179 00:10:36,095 --> 00:10:39,295 Speaker 5: above your insulation right, so your insulation layer is there 180 00:10:39,335 --> 00:10:43,415 Speaker 5: in the ceiling to keep heat in the warm spaces 181 00:10:43,455 --> 00:10:48,615 Speaker 5: down below. And if you've got old conventional candescent bulbs 182 00:10:48,855 --> 00:10:51,695 Speaker 5: and down lights, you're just letting a massive amount of 183 00:10:51,735 --> 00:10:55,015 Speaker 5: heat through there, creating little funnels. So that might also 184 00:10:55,055 --> 00:10:58,855 Speaker 5: be part of the problem. Where it's quite useful sometimes 185 00:10:58,975 --> 00:11:02,615 Speaker 5: is to I'm pretty sure christ Church has one actually, 186 00:11:03,215 --> 00:11:06,215 Speaker 5: so christ Church Council, many councils around the country have 187 00:11:06,335 --> 00:11:11,455 Speaker 5: what they call an eco Design advisor, and it's a 188 00:11:11,695 --> 00:11:14,095 Speaker 5: free service to the best of my knowledge, or at 189 00:11:14,175 --> 00:11:19,375 Speaker 5: least reasonably cheap, and they will offer up insights. They 190 00:11:19,535 --> 00:11:21,015 Speaker 5: might be able to come and do a site visit 191 00:11:21,375 --> 00:11:24,495 Speaker 5: and actually look at what's the lighting, what's the insulation, 192 00:11:24,855 --> 00:11:27,695 Speaker 5: what's the ventilation like, and offer up a solution. So 193 00:11:27,775 --> 00:11:30,895 Speaker 5: an eco design advisor might be helpful. If you want 194 00:11:30,935 --> 00:11:33,855 Speaker 5: to get someone else who's familiar with this, you could 195 00:11:33,895 --> 00:11:38,215 Speaker 5: go to the Green Star to the Home Star program. Rather, 196 00:11:38,255 --> 00:11:41,095 Speaker 5: this is the new Zealand Green Building Council and get 197 00:11:41,095 --> 00:11:43,495 Speaker 5: a Home Star assessor to come out and have a 198 00:11:43,535 --> 00:11:46,175 Speaker 5: look at it and then they'll determine what it is 199 00:11:46,255 --> 00:11:50,015 Speaker 5: that's causing the problem. A couple of options there. 200 00:11:50,735 --> 00:11:52,535 Speaker 8: Yep, awesome, Okay, no trouble at all. 201 00:11:52,655 --> 00:11:55,375 Speaker 5: Nice to talk to you the best, Ella, Thank you, 202 00:11:55,415 --> 00:11:58,695 Speaker 5: Bobby and Tony. A very good morning to you. 203 00:11:59,615 --> 00:12:03,935 Speaker 9: Very good morning to you, Tooting. It's a tragic article 204 00:12:03,935 --> 00:12:06,575 Speaker 9: on the Herald on Saturday about it seems to be 205 00:12:06,655 --> 00:12:09,935 Speaker 9: the biggest leaking group of properties that's ever been built 206 00:12:09,935 --> 00:12:10,735 Speaker 9: in the Zealand space. 207 00:12:13,415 --> 00:12:16,735 Speaker 6: Yeah, the question I have it's. 208 00:12:16,575 --> 00:12:21,655 Speaker 9: A bit twofold, but when how does it get to 209 00:12:21,695 --> 00:12:24,695 Speaker 9: the stage we have got to accord, sorry, appoint a 210 00:12:24,775 --> 00:12:29,375 Speaker 9: statutory manager because the Body Corp hasn't been able to 211 00:12:29,455 --> 00:12:34,135 Speaker 9: achieve what is required to fix this particular set of properties. 212 00:12:34,215 --> 00:12:37,375 Speaker 9: And when people are looking at purchasing properties, are they 213 00:12:37,815 --> 00:12:41,255 Speaker 9: in some ways best to looking for say brick and 214 00:12:41,375 --> 00:12:44,935 Speaker 9: tile and trying to avoid it sort of like Stucho 215 00:12:45,255 --> 00:12:48,575 Speaker 9: and these sort of constructions. Because it seems to be 216 00:12:48,655 --> 00:12:52,695 Speaker 9: that it's sort a continuing problem and it doesn't seem 217 00:12:52,695 --> 00:12:54,855 Speaker 9: to be resolved. I mean there's been other cases of 218 00:12:55,295 --> 00:12:59,255 Speaker 9: recently where there's been agents up for deception of property 219 00:12:59,615 --> 00:13:02,055 Speaker 9: in Royal Oake. I mean, it's a never ending story. 220 00:13:02,095 --> 00:13:04,335 Speaker 9: So I've just been interested in your comments as well 221 00:13:04,335 --> 00:13:07,135 Speaker 9: how it gets to this stage, especially with that group 222 00:13:07,175 --> 00:13:08,695 Speaker 9: that I'm referring to in some lakes. 223 00:13:08,775 --> 00:13:12,175 Speaker 5: Yeah, in some ways I'm a little bit reluctant to 224 00:13:12,215 --> 00:13:15,815 Speaker 5: talk too much about, you know that the individual circumstances there, 225 00:13:15,855 --> 00:13:19,975 Speaker 5: but saying that what was reported is already out there, right. 226 00:13:20,015 --> 00:13:22,215 Speaker 5: And I read the article yesterday as well. It was 227 00:13:22,255 --> 00:13:24,615 Speaker 5: in the Herald front page of the Herald actually, so 228 00:13:24,775 --> 00:13:26,335 Speaker 5: just for those people who might not have seen it, 229 00:13:26,375 --> 00:13:29,735 Speaker 5: this is what's now thought to be New Zealand's largest 230 00:13:29,815 --> 00:13:34,575 Speaker 5: leaky building case, right, and it's a collection of buildings. 231 00:13:34,575 --> 00:13:37,775 Speaker 5: It's like seventeen buildings. It's a total of about two 232 00:13:38,015 --> 00:13:42,135 Speaker 5: from memory, two hundred and forty apartments within that complex. 233 00:13:43,335 --> 00:13:46,535 Speaker 5: It seems like all of them have been built in 234 00:13:46,575 --> 00:13:48,895 Speaker 5: such a way that they've generated with the type of issues. 235 00:13:48,975 --> 00:13:53,015 Speaker 5: So they basically started leaking seemingly from the reporting within 236 00:13:53,055 --> 00:13:58,135 Speaker 5: about three years of construction. And so there has been 237 00:13:58,135 --> 00:14:01,135 Speaker 5: a settlement. It seems like Auckland Council have paid out 238 00:14:01,735 --> 00:14:04,495 Speaker 5: again according to the report, tens of millions of dollars 239 00:14:04,895 --> 00:14:09,375 Speaker 5: in compensation. And so the remedial work got underway. But inevitably, 240 00:14:09,935 --> 00:14:13,575 Speaker 5: you know, the body corporate has that collective responsibility for 241 00:14:13,655 --> 00:14:16,015 Speaker 5: the exterior of the buildings, so they would have got 242 00:14:16,055 --> 00:14:20,735 Speaker 5: together a committee to manage the relationship between the contractors, 243 00:14:20,855 --> 00:14:27,215 Speaker 5: the consultants and the owners of the buildings. I guess, 244 00:14:27,215 --> 00:14:31,375 Speaker 5: with the greatest respect for modest amounts of work, that's 245 00:14:31,415 --> 00:14:34,735 Speaker 5: probably something that people with a reasonable amount of competency 246 00:14:34,935 --> 00:14:37,815 Speaker 5: could do. It would seem that the scale of the 247 00:14:37,855 --> 00:14:40,495 Speaker 5: project is simply beyond them. And that's with the greatest 248 00:14:40,655 --> 00:14:43,375 Speaker 5: respect to the people who perhaps have been managing it 249 00:14:43,775 --> 00:14:47,135 Speaker 5: as a body corporate. But you know, it probably requires 250 00:14:47,415 --> 00:14:51,735 Speaker 5: specialist it does. It requires a special set of skills 251 00:14:53,135 --> 00:14:56,175 Speaker 5: in the words of Liam Neesen in that movie. But 252 00:14:56,535 --> 00:15:00,295 Speaker 5: you know it does. And if they've been managing it, 253 00:15:00,415 --> 00:15:02,615 Speaker 5: trying to manage it, trying to do the best they 254 00:15:02,655 --> 00:15:06,975 Speaker 5: can with the skills and abilities that they have, potentially 255 00:15:07,015 --> 00:15:10,575 Speaker 5: they haven't been able to manage that. Well, it's gone 256 00:15:10,615 --> 00:15:13,255 Speaker 5: back to the courts and the judges looked at and said, look, 257 00:15:13,335 --> 00:15:16,735 Speaker 5: let's get some professionals in there. Hence appointing Deloitte's to 258 00:15:16,855 --> 00:15:22,415 Speaker 5: manage the remainder of the remedial work, which you know, 259 00:15:22,655 --> 00:15:26,855 Speaker 5: given the scale of it, I don't know. Hindsight's always 260 00:15:26,855 --> 00:15:30,175 Speaker 5: twenty twenty, but perhaps when the judgments were made that 261 00:15:30,255 --> 00:15:33,015 Speaker 5: could have been a recommendation from the court. It's interesting 262 00:15:33,055 --> 00:15:37,775 Speaker 5: actually to see judges make more comments about sort of 263 00:15:38,015 --> 00:15:41,295 Speaker 5: building issues. The other case that you mentioned was the 264 00:15:41,375 --> 00:15:43,935 Speaker 5: remedia or the building that was sold and I think 265 00:15:43,935 --> 00:15:46,895 Speaker 5: it was only Hunger turns out to have had something 266 00:15:46,935 --> 00:15:49,895 Speaker 5: like five hundred thousand dollars worth of remedial work required, 267 00:15:50,935 --> 00:15:53,135 Speaker 5: and the judge I read the comment this week, the 268 00:15:53,255 --> 00:15:56,735 Speaker 5: judge making a comment about the poor quality of the 269 00:15:56,775 --> 00:16:00,895 Speaker 5: pre purchase inspection right, and calling perhaps for a requirement 270 00:16:00,935 --> 00:16:04,935 Speaker 5: to have some sort of qualification, or a requirement to 271 00:16:05,055 --> 00:16:08,375 Speaker 5: have a qualification in order to offer up an opinion 272 00:16:08,655 --> 00:16:13,735 Speaker 5: at a pre purchase level, which you know, I wouldn't 273 00:16:13,935 --> 00:16:19,175 Speaker 5: completely disagree with. People might be surprised to know that 274 00:16:19,495 --> 00:16:22,215 Speaker 5: in terms of pre you know, house pre purchased inspections, right. 275 00:16:22,255 --> 00:16:24,415 Speaker 5: So you're interested in the property. You go through I 276 00:16:24,415 --> 00:16:26,335 Speaker 5: don't know, the Yellow Pages. You go online, you find 277 00:16:26,335 --> 00:16:28,775 Speaker 5: a guy who goes, hey, I do pre purchase inspections, 278 00:16:29,335 --> 00:16:32,495 Speaker 5: they rock up, they give you a report of some description, 279 00:16:33,455 --> 00:16:37,335 Speaker 5: you know, do you ask for their qualifications? Maybe maybe not. 280 00:16:37,415 --> 00:16:41,055 Speaker 5: Do they offer up their qualifications maybe maybe not. Do 281 00:16:41,135 --> 00:16:43,735 Speaker 5: they need to have qualifications in order to offer up 282 00:16:43,775 --> 00:16:49,415 Speaker 5: a report? Actually they don't. No, in which case, you know, 283 00:16:49,535 --> 00:16:51,495 Speaker 5: is there a hole in There's a hole in the 284 00:16:51,535 --> 00:16:54,855 Speaker 5: system that allows people who might have little to know 285 00:16:54,975 --> 00:16:59,895 Speaker 5: experience making a reasonable living out of doing pre purchase reports. 286 00:17:00,935 --> 00:17:02,215 Speaker 8: I was totally unacceptable. 287 00:17:02,215 --> 00:17:04,615 Speaker 9: But the question I'm saying is that I really better 288 00:17:04,735 --> 00:17:06,775 Speaker 9: just to look at book and told properly that don't 289 00:17:06,775 --> 00:17:08,455 Speaker 9: seem they ever seen to leak along? 290 00:17:08,575 --> 00:17:12,575 Speaker 5: No, I don't think so, because well no, because what 291 00:17:12,895 --> 00:17:15,615 Speaker 5: we're saying or no, the assumption that you're making is 292 00:17:15,655 --> 00:17:18,655 Speaker 5: that basically every building of that topography or that that 293 00:17:18,695 --> 00:17:21,455 Speaker 5: sort of building methodology is going to leak. And that's 294 00:17:21,535 --> 00:17:24,935 Speaker 5: just not true. Right, So there are plenty of buildings 295 00:17:24,975 --> 00:17:30,255 Speaker 5: around that were built with that methodology or similar methodologies, 296 00:17:30,455 --> 00:17:34,375 Speaker 5: right that simply don't leak, go through their lives with 297 00:17:34,935 --> 00:17:37,695 Speaker 5: little to no issue, and so they're out there, right, 298 00:17:38,015 --> 00:17:41,535 Speaker 5: But there are you know, unfortunately, there are plenty where 299 00:17:41,775 --> 00:17:46,335 Speaker 5: thresholds are inadequate flashing details haven't been done well. You know, 300 00:17:46,415 --> 00:17:51,415 Speaker 5: complex junctions haven't been detailed well, and they will cause problems, 301 00:17:51,775 --> 00:17:55,735 Speaker 5: which means, really, I suppose that the short answer to 302 00:17:55,775 --> 00:17:59,855 Speaker 5: the question is it's about the quality of the pre 303 00:17:59,935 --> 00:18:00,975 Speaker 5: purchase inspection. 304 00:18:03,055 --> 00:18:03,255 Speaker 8: Yep. 305 00:18:05,135 --> 00:18:07,215 Speaker 5: And you know, I think he and the judge in 306 00:18:07,215 --> 00:18:11,695 Speaker 5: that townhouse case said, look, you know, like there were 307 00:18:11,735 --> 00:18:16,455 Speaker 5: other purchases allegedly who were interested in that property, did 308 00:18:16,455 --> 00:18:20,695 Speaker 5: their due diligence, had pre purchase inspections done, and walked 309 00:18:20,735 --> 00:18:24,695 Speaker 5: away from the property because it was clear to other 310 00:18:24,855 --> 00:18:27,415 Speaker 5: pre purchased inspectors that there were going to be where 311 00:18:27,415 --> 00:18:31,735 Speaker 5: the tightness issues with that building. So the person who 312 00:18:31,895 --> 00:18:36,215 Speaker 5: unfortunately went ahead and purchased the property was poorly advised. 313 00:18:37,735 --> 00:18:40,335 Speaker 5: Is the conclusion that the only conclusion you could draw. 314 00:18:40,455 --> 00:18:43,535 Speaker 5: And the person who did the inspection again this is 315 00:18:43,575 --> 00:18:47,135 Speaker 5: all in the media, ended up compensating her to the 316 00:18:47,175 --> 00:18:49,055 Speaker 5: tune of seventy five thousand dollars. 317 00:18:50,375 --> 00:18:54,175 Speaker 9: So what we're really saying is you can buy those 318 00:18:54,615 --> 00:18:55,895 Speaker 9: properties if you check them out. 319 00:18:55,935 --> 00:18:56,975 Speaker 6: But yeah, the. 320 00:18:57,655 --> 00:19:01,215 Speaker 9: Leakiness of the building, is it due to absolute incompetence 321 00:19:01,255 --> 00:19:03,215 Speaker 9: on behalf of the people that are building them, or 322 00:19:03,255 --> 00:19:05,855 Speaker 9: Is it because they wanted to cut corners and do 323 00:19:05,935 --> 00:19:07,975 Speaker 9: a cheat what would you say? 324 00:19:08,855 --> 00:19:12,055 Speaker 5: No, it's not always about the construction. And I've had 325 00:19:12,095 --> 00:19:19,095 Speaker 5: firsthand experience of constructing something exactly as per the plans 326 00:19:19,655 --> 00:19:24,495 Speaker 5: and it turned out to cause leaks, right, So you know, like, 327 00:19:24,815 --> 00:19:27,175 Speaker 5: and this is my own person, it's a long time 328 00:19:27,215 --> 00:19:30,975 Speaker 5: ago now, but there was a particular detail that we did, 329 00:19:31,415 --> 00:19:34,455 Speaker 5: and I don't know, seven eighteen years later we were 330 00:19:34,535 --> 00:19:39,015 Speaker 5: back to do fairly minor remedial work to address that 331 00:19:39,175 --> 00:19:41,855 Speaker 5: in a limited couple of areas. But you know, that 332 00:19:42,095 --> 00:19:47,055 Speaker 5: was That's my own personal experience of building something exactly 333 00:19:47,135 --> 00:19:50,775 Speaker 5: as per the plan and then having issues with weather tightanners. 334 00:19:50,855 --> 00:19:55,015 Speaker 5: So it's not it's not always the constructors. Sometimes it 335 00:19:55,055 --> 00:19:58,775 Speaker 5: is the constructors. Sometimes I think some of these large 336 00:19:58,775 --> 00:20:05,015 Speaker 5: building sites have an adequate supervision, and that's not something 337 00:20:05,055 --> 00:20:09,855 Speaker 5: that has stopped happening either. I was talking with a 338 00:20:09,975 --> 00:20:13,615 Speaker 5: large sort of joinery installer the other day and they 339 00:20:13,655 --> 00:20:17,815 Speaker 5: were talking about their experience of a particular project where 340 00:20:18,095 --> 00:20:21,255 Speaker 5: they said, you know, the competency of the people who 341 00:20:21,295 --> 00:20:25,855 Speaker 5: were managing the job on the ground was somewhat lacking, 342 00:20:26,535 --> 00:20:28,935 Speaker 5: you know, and then you go to others I'm watching 343 00:20:28,935 --> 00:20:31,455 Speaker 5: a building that's been renovated across the road from this 344 00:20:31,535 --> 00:20:34,175 Speaker 5: office here, right, and you can just tell from the 345 00:20:34,255 --> 00:20:38,375 Speaker 5: site it's well organized, well managed, everything's neat and tidy. 346 00:20:38,455 --> 00:20:42,295 Speaker 5: You can see the progress, you can see the attention 347 00:20:42,415 --> 00:20:44,375 Speaker 5: to detail all of those sorts of things, and you go, 348 00:20:44,775 --> 00:20:48,095 Speaker 5: you know, so, really, there's so many more buildings that 349 00:20:48,175 --> 00:20:53,335 Speaker 5: get built well than get built poorly. The challenge for 350 00:20:53,455 --> 00:20:57,295 Speaker 5: owners or potential owners is to do the correct due 351 00:20:57,335 --> 00:20:59,655 Speaker 5: diligence to ensure that you're not going to end up 352 00:20:59,695 --> 00:21:03,135 Speaker 5: buying something that's going to be a problem. And that's 353 00:21:03,175 --> 00:21:07,175 Speaker 5: not foolproof, but you've got to be select obviously with 354 00:21:07,255 --> 00:21:08,535 Speaker 5: the people you're getting to do the. 355 00:21:08,495 --> 00:21:11,255 Speaker 9: Property inspection, because, as you say, as we've found out 356 00:21:11,655 --> 00:21:15,215 Speaker 9: some of these people really have got hardly any building 357 00:21:15,255 --> 00:21:18,615 Speaker 9: experience at all. They're just setting themselves up to do 358 00:21:18,815 --> 00:21:20,455 Speaker 9: work they're really not qualified to do. 359 00:21:21,295 --> 00:21:25,015 Speaker 5: And right now, there is, to the best of my knowledge, 360 00:21:25,255 --> 00:21:30,215 Speaker 5: no requirement in law for a person undertaking pre purchased 361 00:21:30,295 --> 00:21:33,815 Speaker 5: inspections to have any qualifications in that area. 362 00:21:34,735 --> 00:21:38,055 Speaker 8: Oh that's terrible. Yeah, how does it get to that start? 363 00:21:38,935 --> 00:21:41,855 Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I mean, potentially that's the nature of capitalism, 364 00:21:42,015 --> 00:21:45,495 Speaker 5: but I don't know. Look, we're you know, I'd be 365 00:21:45,615 --> 00:21:47,335 Speaker 5: more than happy to take some more calls on this 366 00:21:47,375 --> 00:21:50,335 Speaker 5: because I think you know again, you know, does that 367 00:21:50,415 --> 00:21:53,415 Speaker 5: then come back to the to the consumer? Right, So, 368 00:21:53,535 --> 00:21:56,255 Speaker 5: if you're going to contract someone and hand over how 369 00:21:56,375 --> 00:22:00,175 Speaker 5: many dollars to them to say, hey, look, please undertake 370 00:22:00,175 --> 00:22:03,255 Speaker 5: a pre purchase inspection for me, is it your responsibility 371 00:22:03,575 --> 00:22:07,095 Speaker 5: to then do a five minute Google search to see 372 00:22:07,135 --> 00:22:10,495 Speaker 5: what sort of level of competency or to simply say, Hi, 373 00:22:10,775 --> 00:22:12,815 Speaker 5: I'd like you to do the inspection. Can you tell 374 00:22:12,855 --> 00:22:14,455 Speaker 5: me what your qualifications are? Please? 375 00:22:15,615 --> 00:22:19,015 Speaker 9: And the other question would be do you have adequate assurance? 376 00:22:19,095 --> 00:22:23,535 Speaker 9: Because if your property report is incorrect dollars to fix it? 377 00:22:23,935 --> 00:22:27,255 Speaker 9: Will your company reimburse me for the expenses? I think 378 00:22:27,255 --> 00:22:28,895 Speaker 9: that would be an ideal question as well. 379 00:22:29,255 --> 00:22:32,095 Speaker 5: I think that's a very wise question. And again, do you, 380 00:22:32,175 --> 00:22:34,295 Speaker 5: as you know in New Zealand right now, and we're 381 00:22:34,295 --> 00:22:38,255 Speaker 5: talking about LBPS for example, right, do you require insurance 382 00:22:38,255 --> 00:22:40,055 Speaker 5: in order to construct buildings? 383 00:22:40,335 --> 00:22:48,015 Speaker 9: No, you don't, Josh, I'm. 384 00:22:45,455 --> 00:22:47,615 Speaker 5: Sorry to have been the bearer of such bad news 385 00:22:47,655 --> 00:22:50,655 Speaker 5: for you this morning. 386 00:22:52,015 --> 00:22:53,535 Speaker 9: Brook and top copy that leaks. 387 00:22:54,335 --> 00:23:00,495 Speaker 5: Ah, yeah, look they can they can. But at the 388 00:23:00,535 --> 00:23:03,175 Speaker 5: same time, you know, there are some I guess there's 389 00:23:03,215 --> 00:23:05,375 Speaker 5: some really basic things that we can do with buildings, 390 00:23:05,455 --> 00:23:07,975 Speaker 5: right that that my is leaking. And again I had 391 00:23:07,975 --> 00:23:11,655 Speaker 5: a long time. I was at a pro climber, which 392 00:23:11,695 --> 00:23:15,335 Speaker 5: is a company that does building wraps and sort of 393 00:23:15,415 --> 00:23:19,495 Speaker 5: in that high performance space. They I got to say 394 00:23:19,495 --> 00:23:22,775 Speaker 5: this just quietly, they have the best trade breakfasts almost 395 00:23:23,095 --> 00:23:26,055 Speaker 5: of any trade breakfast, and I'm a sucker for a 396 00:23:26,055 --> 00:23:30,135 Speaker 5: good trade breakfast. So I was across there on Friday 397 00:23:30,135 --> 00:23:34,255 Speaker 5: morning at the pro climber guy's place over only hung 398 00:23:34,295 --> 00:23:38,015 Speaker 5: a penroseway. Anyway, the got talking with some people about 399 00:23:38,375 --> 00:23:42,575 Speaker 5: houses and leaking and design and so on, and you know, 400 00:23:43,135 --> 00:23:45,935 Speaker 5: the beauty of an eve, for example, in terms of 401 00:23:46,015 --> 00:23:49,255 Speaker 5: just providing a little bit of shelter to critical areas 402 00:23:49,295 --> 00:23:51,775 Speaker 5: like the tops of windows and so on. Yeah, there's 403 00:23:51,775 --> 00:23:54,975 Speaker 5: a massive advantage to that. But at the same time, 404 00:23:55,135 --> 00:23:58,335 Speaker 5: you get a nineteen sixties brick and tile and between 405 00:23:58,375 --> 00:24:01,095 Speaker 5: you and the outside world there's nine and a half 406 00:24:01,135 --> 00:24:04,815 Speaker 5: millimeters of plaster board, no insulation, no building wrap, a 407 00:24:04,895 --> 00:24:08,375 Speaker 5: cavity and some brick. Right, So you know, is it 408 00:24:08,415 --> 00:24:10,335 Speaker 5: going to be warm? No? 409 00:24:10,335 --> 00:24:16,935 Speaker 9: No, no, yeah, anyway, that was fantastic. 410 00:24:17,015 --> 00:24:21,015 Speaker 5: I really appreciate it. So, look, yeah, thanks to this. 411 00:24:21,895 --> 00:24:23,775 Speaker 5: Does it come down to buyer beware. 412 00:24:25,575 --> 00:24:27,335 Speaker 9: Up to a certain degree, But I think if you're 413 00:24:27,335 --> 00:24:30,895 Speaker 9: playing so unsupposedly a professional to do a job, yes, 414 00:24:31,295 --> 00:24:35,375 Speaker 9: and they and they say claim that they're competent to 415 00:24:35,455 --> 00:24:38,735 Speaker 9: do that, then they should have some I think they 416 00:24:38,775 --> 00:24:41,815 Speaker 9: should have total responsibility of what they're giving you is 417 00:24:41,855 --> 00:24:43,775 Speaker 9: incorrect and it causes you to spend a lot of 418 00:24:43,815 --> 00:24:45,295 Speaker 9: money that you didn't plan on doing. 419 00:24:46,215 --> 00:24:49,735 Speaker 5: And I wouldn't disagree with you. Okay, call you, get 420 00:24:49,735 --> 00:24:51,295 Speaker 5: a nice chat, take your tone up all. 421 00:24:51,775 --> 00:24:52,055 Speaker 6: I think. 422 00:24:52,175 --> 00:24:54,175 Speaker 5: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number 423 00:24:54,375 --> 00:24:57,255 Speaker 5: you do say the same just things at times. And 424 00:24:57,375 --> 00:25:00,055 Speaker 5: this time you've used the term capitalist. What's wrong with 425 00:25:00,135 --> 00:25:05,615 Speaker 5: Tormot capitalism? It's comments right, none wrong? Well, I don't 426 00:25:05,615 --> 00:25:09,375 Speaker 5: think there's anything wrong with commerce and capitalism. And people 427 00:25:09,415 --> 00:25:11,935 Speaker 5: want to have their business right. So if you are 428 00:25:12,935 --> 00:25:15,455 Speaker 5: in the end not particularly competent at what you do, 429 00:25:15,535 --> 00:25:20,415 Speaker 5: but you still offer your services in our system, you're 430 00:25:20,455 --> 00:25:22,935 Speaker 5: still entitled to do that, right, that's the nature of business. 431 00:25:24,255 --> 00:25:28,255 Speaker 5: But then it becomes the responsibility of the person contracting 432 00:25:28,295 --> 00:25:32,015 Speaker 5: you potentially to ask those questions, is this person fit 433 00:25:32,095 --> 00:25:34,415 Speaker 5: and able to undertake the work that I want them 434 00:25:34,455 --> 00:25:38,295 Speaker 5: to do. I mean, it just can't be that hard 435 00:25:38,815 --> 00:25:41,535 Speaker 5: to figure out whether or not the person who's offered 436 00:25:41,655 --> 00:25:44,815 Speaker 5: to provide a service to you is actually competent to 437 00:25:44,895 --> 00:25:49,455 Speaker 5: do that. It'd be nice if you didn't have to check. 438 00:25:50,855 --> 00:25:53,255 Speaker 5: But we real live in the real world. Eight hundred 439 00:25:53,335 --> 00:25:55,095 Speaker 5: eighty ten eighty is the number to call six thirty 440 00:25:55,095 --> 00:25:57,335 Speaker 5: five here at news Talk Set B, And if you've 441 00:25:57,375 --> 00:25:59,255 Speaker 5: got a question of a building nature, you should call 442 00:25:59,295 --> 00:26:02,055 Speaker 5: us now eight hundred eighty ten eighty. We'll talk a 443 00:26:02,055 --> 00:26:04,455 Speaker 5: little bit about pre purchased inspections in a moment, but 444 00:26:04,495 --> 00:26:08,735 Speaker 5: we can talk all things building constructure. And certainly that 445 00:26:08,815 --> 00:26:10,695 Speaker 5: story's been in the news. It was front page I 446 00:26:10,735 --> 00:26:12,775 Speaker 5: think of the Herald, the printed edition. I read it 447 00:26:13,135 --> 00:26:16,615 Speaker 5: yesterday morning online and the story about the only Hunger 448 00:26:16,655 --> 00:26:19,295 Speaker 5: townhouse that's been the paper a couple of times, including 449 00:26:19,655 --> 00:26:22,215 Speaker 5: I picked up on this this week. The judge making 450 00:26:22,255 --> 00:26:26,815 Speaker 5: the comment about the professionalism and the proficiency of the 451 00:26:26,855 --> 00:26:30,215 Speaker 5: person undertaking the inspections and correct me if I'm wrong. 452 00:26:30,335 --> 00:26:33,935 Speaker 5: But to the best of my knowledge, right now, there 453 00:26:34,015 --> 00:26:37,575 Speaker 5: is no requirement for anyone to actually have a qualification 454 00:26:38,455 --> 00:26:42,415 Speaker 5: in order to undertake a pre purchased inspection. Can you 455 00:26:42,455 --> 00:26:44,015 Speaker 5: tell me if that's a good thing or a bad thing? 456 00:26:44,175 --> 00:26:45,975 Speaker 5: Six thirty six at Newstalks. 457 00:26:45,695 --> 00:26:49,695 Speaker 1: B helping you get those DIY projects done right? The 458 00:26:49,895 --> 00:26:54,015 Speaker 1: resident builder with Veta Wolfcat call oh eight eight youth 459 00:26:54,055 --> 00:26:56,655 Speaker 1: Talk ZEDB News Talks, HEB. 460 00:26:56,895 --> 00:26:59,535 Speaker 5: Pete says the text at how did the seventeen buildings 461 00:26:59,575 --> 00:27:02,855 Speaker 5: get signed off? Anyway? Don't counsel visit the sites throughout 462 00:27:02,855 --> 00:27:05,335 Speaker 5: the building process? It seems too late once the buildings 463 00:27:05,375 --> 00:27:09,255 Speaker 5: are complete, Diane, it would appear reading between the lines 464 00:27:10,655 --> 00:27:12,855 Speaker 5: in the article that I read on the Herald anyway, 465 00:27:12,975 --> 00:27:16,335 Speaker 5: is that council did inspect, obviously didn't pick it up, 466 00:27:16,415 --> 00:27:21,735 Speaker 5: and hence they have had to offer compensation, which goes 467 00:27:22,695 --> 00:27:26,055 Speaker 5: onto another issue around joint and several liability and whether 468 00:27:26,135 --> 00:27:31,215 Speaker 5: or not we should move the current regulations to proportional liability, 469 00:27:32,535 --> 00:27:36,495 Speaker 5: because in this instance here I suspect that possibly the builder, 470 00:27:36,615 --> 00:27:40,775 Speaker 5: possibly the designer, possibly the constructors, possibly the consultants that 471 00:27:40,815 --> 00:27:44,095 Speaker 5: were involved in it are no longer operating, in which 472 00:27:44,095 --> 00:27:46,775 Speaker 5: case you can't get redressed from them, in which case 473 00:27:46,855 --> 00:27:50,335 Speaker 5: all of the liability falls on what is often referred 474 00:27:50,375 --> 00:27:54,455 Speaker 5: to as the last man standing, or in this instance, council, 475 00:27:54,855 --> 00:27:58,095 Speaker 5: and so counsel end up becoming responsible for all of 476 00:27:58,095 --> 00:28:01,255 Speaker 5: it rather than just their part of it, which is 477 00:28:01,575 --> 00:28:03,695 Speaker 5: a pretty big issue at the moment in terms of 478 00:28:04,375 --> 00:28:07,055 Speaker 5: I guess the politics around building law the moment. Oh 479 00:28:07,095 --> 00:28:08,735 Speaker 5: eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty the number to 480 00:28:08,735 --> 00:28:10,255 Speaker 5: call Tracy, good morning to you. 481 00:28:11,455 --> 00:28:12,175 Speaker 10: Yeah, good morning. 482 00:28:15,815 --> 00:28:18,415 Speaker 11: Here's a horror three. I believe it was a horror 483 00:28:18,455 --> 00:28:19,615 Speaker 11: story in regards to. 484 00:28:21,215 --> 00:28:22,655 Speaker 10: Pre purchase and inspections. 485 00:28:23,135 --> 00:28:25,455 Speaker 11: And the scary thing is they're about to do it again. 486 00:28:27,175 --> 00:28:29,975 Speaker 11: Housing New Zealand when they sold off properties back in 487 00:28:30,415 --> 00:28:35,095 Speaker 11: twenty six sixteen, they sent around two men to inspect 488 00:28:35,095 --> 00:28:41,055 Speaker 11: the properties to do a kiss condition report on them. 489 00:28:41,215 --> 00:28:44,015 Speaker 11: The houses we were in with the original leaky homes 490 00:28:44,055 --> 00:28:48,135 Speaker 11: built in nineteen eighty seven, right, so they had stucco, 491 00:28:49,695 --> 00:28:52,615 Speaker 11: The houses were so low to the ground that water 492 00:28:52,615 --> 00:28:56,335 Speaker 11: would come through, there was inappropriate drainage, all these things. 493 00:28:56,335 --> 00:29:02,055 Speaker 11: You could see. You could see their problems. It's hing by. 494 00:29:02,135 --> 00:29:04,295 Speaker 11: I just kept having to deal with these problems, not 495 00:29:04,375 --> 00:29:06,935 Speaker 11: me personally, but to get in six. So then I 496 00:29:07,015 --> 00:29:08,215 Speaker 11: asked for a copy. 497 00:29:07,935 --> 00:29:08,775 Speaker 12: Of this report. 498 00:29:09,455 --> 00:29:10,895 Speaker 10: Right, So I'm looking at the. 499 00:29:10,935 --> 00:29:12,935 Speaker 11: Report and I'm going hold on a minute, that's not 500 00:29:13,055 --> 00:29:17,655 Speaker 11: my house. That's not the condition of my house. So 501 00:29:17,775 --> 00:29:24,775 Speaker 11: down the track I started collecting things, doing uryas and 502 00:29:24,775 --> 00:29:29,735 Speaker 11: what have you. I found out this company, they wrote 503 00:29:29,855 --> 00:29:35,095 Speaker 11: the computer program for it. They also hired these men 504 00:29:35,335 --> 00:29:40,455 Speaker 11: who blatantly lied about the condition of these houses. These 505 00:29:40,495 --> 00:29:44,135 Speaker 11: houses didn't get sold, but the other half of the 506 00:29:44,215 --> 00:29:50,935 Speaker 11: village did. That was the worst can well is bad condition? Now, 507 00:29:51,095 --> 00:29:56,015 Speaker 11: when the government hired this company, they said that they 508 00:29:56,055 --> 00:30:01,135 Speaker 11: weren't allowed to endanger any tenants right in the complex 509 00:30:01,255 --> 00:30:05,415 Speaker 11: or in any houses they blatantly did. Now they're about 510 00:30:05,415 --> 00:30:08,295 Speaker 11: to go out, and who are key when they sell 511 00:30:08,335 --> 00:30:13,255 Speaker 11: off these houses? How long is that to use a 512 00:30:13,335 --> 00:30:17,935 Speaker 11: company like that that blatantly will lie for the government. 513 00:30:19,215 --> 00:30:21,455 Speaker 5: We've got to be a little bit careful about making 514 00:30:21,495 --> 00:30:24,655 Speaker 5: allegations that we can't verify. And I have no reason 515 00:30:24,735 --> 00:30:28,015 Speaker 5: to doubt your comments and the investigation that you've done, 516 00:30:28,415 --> 00:30:33,015 Speaker 5: but I suspect it is also incredibly complex. So and 517 00:30:33,335 --> 00:30:37,295 Speaker 5: the other thing, Tracy, is the properties that you're discussing 518 00:30:37,415 --> 00:30:41,055 Speaker 5: or talking about, are they were they owned by Housing 519 00:30:41,095 --> 00:30:42,135 Speaker 5: New Zealand in the past. 520 00:30:43,255 --> 00:30:43,495 Speaker 10: Yep. 521 00:30:43,615 --> 00:30:46,535 Speaker 11: Although they are saying that they didn't build them. 522 00:30:46,415 --> 00:30:50,375 Speaker 5: That they that's okay, Well they probably didn't because they 523 00:30:50,375 --> 00:30:52,495 Speaker 5: don't actually build houses. They get that. 524 00:30:52,535 --> 00:30:55,415 Speaker 11: They said that they brought them in two thousands, right, 525 00:30:55,735 --> 00:30:57,855 Speaker 11: and I am saying why would they say that? Do 526 00:30:57,935 --> 00:31:01,495 Speaker 11: you know why? Because they hid them when the leaky 527 00:31:01,535 --> 00:31:05,455 Speaker 11: buildings came out and went back to the council, they 528 00:31:05,975 --> 00:31:10,775 Speaker 11: did a survey on the completes itself. Nothing changed in 529 00:31:10,815 --> 00:31:11,295 Speaker 11: the confident. 530 00:31:11,695 --> 00:31:15,055 Speaker 5: I'm just curious as well, Tracy, when you say the 531 00:31:15,095 --> 00:31:19,815 Speaker 5: properties are being sold, are they being sold to private owners? Potentially? 532 00:31:20,335 --> 00:31:25,855 Speaker 11: No, No, they're being sold. They've been sold to who 533 00:31:25,935 --> 00:31:30,215 Speaker 11: is it APL? What's a PL? 534 00:31:30,335 --> 00:31:31,735 Speaker 5: Whos a PL APL? 535 00:31:31,855 --> 00:31:36,935 Speaker 11: Or well then they're not they're a provider. They do 536 00:31:37,095 --> 00:31:37,855 Speaker 11: have that they. 537 00:31:37,935 --> 00:31:41,455 Speaker 5: Okay, So the ownership of those properties might be shifted 538 00:31:41,495 --> 00:31:45,255 Speaker 5: to like a community housing provider. Yeah, yeah, but then 539 00:31:45,295 --> 00:31:48,615 Speaker 5: the community housing providers needs to do their own due 540 00:31:48,615 --> 00:31:52,615 Speaker 5: diligence and they need to All properties nowadays need to 541 00:31:52,655 --> 00:31:55,935 Speaker 5: be compliant with healthy Homes regulations, whether they're privately owned 542 00:31:56,295 --> 00:31:59,655 Speaker 5: or owned by large organizations. If they're rented out, they 543 00:31:59,695 --> 00:32:02,135 Speaker 5: need to comply. And it would sound like these ones. 544 00:32:02,175 --> 00:32:04,255 Speaker 5: I just wonder whether the checks and balances are there 545 00:32:04,295 --> 00:32:07,815 Speaker 5: now that we don't actually hopefully we won't have these 546 00:32:07,815 --> 00:32:11,215 Speaker 5: problems going forward. Appreciate your comments. So I think we're 547 00:32:11,255 --> 00:32:14,015 Speaker 5: on slightly the nice. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty 548 00:32:14,095 --> 00:32:22,695 Speaker 5: is the number to call. This is an interesting text. Hey, Pete, 549 00:32:22,695 --> 00:32:26,255 Speaker 5: we've leased out in nineteen sixties motel comments. The tenants 550 00:32:26,255 --> 00:32:29,375 Speaker 5: have gone through and put in a bench top, portable stove, 551 00:32:29,495 --> 00:32:32,415 Speaker 5: two elements, and an oven. Do I need to put 552 00:32:32,455 --> 00:32:39,375 Speaker 5: in ventilation? They've also plugged it in beside the sink. 553 00:32:39,415 --> 00:32:42,135 Speaker 5: The question is, if you've leased out a nineteen sixties 554 00:32:42,215 --> 00:32:46,895 Speaker 5: motel complex to individual people, have you done it using 555 00:32:46,935 --> 00:32:50,775 Speaker 5: a residential tenancy agreement? In which case it needs to 556 00:32:52,135 --> 00:32:55,495 Speaker 5: comply with the healthy home standards of the Residential Tenancy's 557 00:32:55,495 --> 00:32:59,015 Speaker 5: Amendment Act? And I suspect that they wouldn't, in which 558 00:32:59,015 --> 00:33:01,255 Speaker 5: case you can't be leasing that building out as of 559 00:33:01,295 --> 00:33:03,615 Speaker 5: the first of July, would be the short answer to that. 560 00:33:07,615 --> 00:33:09,735 Speaker 5: Here's an interesting text as well. If you have lending 561 00:33:09,775 --> 00:33:11,735 Speaker 5: on a build project, the bank is required that the 562 00:33:11,735 --> 00:33:16,215 Speaker 5: contract works insurance is held. Yes, that's true. So all 563 00:33:16,215 --> 00:33:21,295 Speaker 5: I'm saying is that not every contractor has insurance. Obviously, 564 00:33:21,335 --> 00:33:24,055 Speaker 5: if you're doing a build and you've got finance over 565 00:33:24,055 --> 00:33:28,695 Speaker 5: that from your bank as a mortgage holder, then they 566 00:33:28,855 --> 00:33:30,815 Speaker 5: as part of their due diligence, they'll look at the 567 00:33:30,855 --> 00:33:34,975 Speaker 5: contract and go, we want to ensure that the builders ensured, 568 00:33:35,055 --> 00:33:36,935 Speaker 5: in which case you've got to go to the contractor 569 00:33:36,975 --> 00:33:39,615 Speaker 5: and say, where's the insurance, and that way you make 570 00:33:39,655 --> 00:33:42,935 Speaker 5: sure that the insurance is there and in place. What 571 00:33:42,975 --> 00:33:47,615 Speaker 5: I'm saying is that someone undertaking building work coming to 572 00:33:47,815 --> 00:33:49,855 Speaker 5: I don't know you build a new fence for you, 573 00:33:49,895 --> 00:33:54,135 Speaker 5: for example, may not necessarily hold any insurances, nor are they, 574 00:33:54,335 --> 00:33:57,255 Speaker 5: to the best of my knowledge, legally required to do so. 575 00:33:58,095 --> 00:34:00,935 Speaker 5: There are ways to check obviously, and you can ask 576 00:34:00,975 --> 00:34:03,575 Speaker 5: for it, but it's not a legal requirement, and maybe 577 00:34:03,735 --> 00:34:06,255 Speaker 5: that should change as well. We'll take another short break. 578 00:34:06,335 --> 00:34:08,055 Speaker 5: It is six forty six here at Newstalks c B. 579 00:34:08,135 --> 00:34:10,695 Speaker 5: If you've got a building question, give us a quick call. 580 00:34:10,775 --> 00:34:13,655 Speaker 5: Someone's text through as well. Just briefly read the roof moisture. 581 00:34:13,695 --> 00:34:16,095 Speaker 5: What about installing an HIV or at DVS won't make 582 00:34:16,095 --> 00:34:20,215 Speaker 5: any difference in that instance there. It'll help in other areas, 583 00:34:20,215 --> 00:34:22,815 Speaker 5: but it won't address that particular problem, but appreciate the 584 00:34:22,855 --> 00:34:25,335 Speaker 5: text radio take short break. Will be back with Roger 585 00:34:25,335 --> 00:34:25,695 Speaker 5: in a moment. 586 00:34:26,215 --> 00:34:29,655 Speaker 1: Met it twice, God was, But maybe call Pete first 587 00:34:29,735 --> 00:34:33,655 Speaker 1: for your WALCAF the Resident Builder News Talks be your. 588 00:34:33,575 --> 00:34:36,655 Speaker 5: News talks, HEB. We're talking all things building construction and 589 00:34:36,975 --> 00:34:38,695 Speaker 5: if you've got a question, give us a call. Eight 590 00:34:38,815 --> 00:34:41,815 Speaker 5: hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call Roger. 591 00:34:41,855 --> 00:34:43,775 Speaker 5: Good morning morning. 592 00:34:44,135 --> 00:34:45,055 Speaker 4: How are you Roger? 593 00:34:45,215 --> 00:34:46,815 Speaker 5: Roger, I'm very well in yourself. 594 00:34:47,655 --> 00:34:50,535 Speaker 10: Okay, did you get my em yes? 595 00:34:50,615 --> 00:34:54,175 Speaker 5: Thank you. So this is going back to an issue 596 00:34:54,215 --> 00:34:58,295 Speaker 5: that you raised last week on the show where by 597 00:34:58,375 --> 00:35:01,815 Speaker 5: way of extraction, someone has installed a fan in the 598 00:35:01,855 --> 00:35:09,695 Speaker 5: ceiling and then you know, in terms of healthy Homes compliance, 599 00:35:09,775 --> 00:35:13,615 Speaker 5: interestingly enough, that does comply with the regulations, but the 600 00:35:13,615 --> 00:35:16,375 Speaker 5: property in which it was installed is not a rental property. 601 00:35:16,415 --> 00:35:20,095 Speaker 5: You're not a tenant, and the landlord hasn't installed it. 602 00:35:20,095 --> 00:35:23,855 Speaker 5: This is your own property, isn't it that we're talking about, right? 603 00:35:24,415 --> 00:35:28,335 Speaker 5: And so the request was and thanks for the email. 604 00:35:28,455 --> 00:35:30,695 Speaker 5: So just to be clear that the fan that was 605 00:35:30,735 --> 00:35:34,095 Speaker 5: installed in the ceiling was not there before it was. 606 00:35:35,175 --> 00:35:38,335 Speaker 5: You wanted to get some extraction above the cook top 607 00:35:38,735 --> 00:35:43,175 Speaker 5: and the solution from the electrician in this instance was 608 00:35:43,215 --> 00:35:48,615 Speaker 5: to install a ceiling fan. Yes, right, And during that 609 00:35:48,695 --> 00:35:52,535 Speaker 5: initial conversation, was there any discussion about, hey, look it 610 00:35:52,575 --> 00:35:56,335 Speaker 5: would be more effective to install a rangehood, a conventional 611 00:35:56,455 --> 00:35:56,935 Speaker 5: range hood. 612 00:35:58,615 --> 00:36:07,255 Speaker 10: No, who was just over the range to the Senate. 613 00:36:07,495 --> 00:36:10,175 Speaker 10: It goes through the war to the outside the fan. 614 00:36:11,015 --> 00:36:14,895 Speaker 5: Yeah. But I'm always intrigued in these instances, you know, 615 00:36:15,135 --> 00:36:20,935 Speaker 5: do I suppose the quality of the advice from in 616 00:36:20,975 --> 00:36:23,935 Speaker 5: this instance, the electrician in the first place is like, 617 00:36:24,335 --> 00:36:27,895 Speaker 5: surely most electricians would understand that a range hood is 618 00:36:27,935 --> 00:36:32,775 Speaker 5: going to be more effective than an extractor fan, and that, 619 00:36:33,255 --> 00:36:36,215 Speaker 5: you know, by way of sort of professional advice, you 620 00:36:36,575 --> 00:36:39,095 Speaker 5: would say, okay, yeah, we can install a range hood. 621 00:36:39,695 --> 00:36:42,895 Speaker 5: There are these issues around, you know, trying to get 622 00:36:42,935 --> 00:36:45,415 Speaker 5: it in place or get the ducting out or do whatever. 623 00:36:46,135 --> 00:36:47,855 Speaker 5: And the cost is going to be this and at 624 00:36:47,855 --> 00:36:49,895 Speaker 5: the cost of putting range hood and is going to 625 00:36:49,935 --> 00:36:54,135 Speaker 5: be more than putting a ceiling fan in. But it's 626 00:36:54,135 --> 00:36:55,535 Speaker 5: going to be the best thing. So this is what 627 00:36:55,575 --> 00:36:57,095 Speaker 5: we're going to do, and this is what the price is. 628 00:36:57,895 --> 00:37:01,815 Speaker 5: I'm just surprised that that conversation didn't happen much earlier. 629 00:37:04,215 --> 00:37:09,455 Speaker 10: I said, my wife is there less to them go 630 00:37:09,575 --> 00:37:17,655 Speaker 10: and the shipt on seeing me advertising material every month. 631 00:37:17,695 --> 00:37:20,815 Speaker 10: But got sick of it, so I raised them back 632 00:37:20,855 --> 00:37:24,295 Speaker 10: and got hold of him, and he was the owner 633 00:37:24,335 --> 00:37:27,855 Speaker 10: of it, and he's still the owner of this. They 634 00:37:28,015 --> 00:37:29,295 Speaker 10: changed the name of the company. 635 00:37:29,575 --> 00:37:33,895 Speaker 5: Sure, I'll tell you what I'm just wondering. And I 636 00:37:33,935 --> 00:37:36,735 Speaker 5: had a long conversation with people about this during the 637 00:37:36,735 --> 00:37:39,495 Speaker 5: course of the week in terms of you know, the 638 00:37:39,895 --> 00:37:44,775 Speaker 5: value of trade associations, Right, so is the company that 639 00:37:44,855 --> 00:37:48,295 Speaker 5: you have had do that work and who you're obviously 640 00:37:48,335 --> 00:37:51,255 Speaker 5: having a dispute with at the moment. If the electricians 641 00:37:51,295 --> 00:37:54,575 Speaker 5: are they a member of the Master Electricians Association. 642 00:37:55,455 --> 00:37:58,455 Speaker 10: Oh, yes, they must be. They're a big company, a 643 00:37:58,655 --> 00:38:00,135 Speaker 10: big commercial work and everything. 644 00:38:00,375 --> 00:38:03,615 Speaker 5: Okay, I wonder whether you know, because your next step 645 00:38:03,655 --> 00:38:06,295 Speaker 5: is kind of along with dispute s tribune or route, right, 646 00:38:06,735 --> 00:38:10,815 Speaker 5: But I actually wonder whether going to the Master Electricians 647 00:38:10,815 --> 00:38:15,775 Speaker 5: Association and talking because inevitably they have some sort of 648 00:38:15,775 --> 00:38:21,775 Speaker 5: disputes process or professional standards you might get It might 649 00:38:21,815 --> 00:38:26,775 Speaker 5: be a quicker pathway, right, So that that was now 650 00:38:26,855 --> 00:38:29,055 Speaker 5: thinking about it, that's where I would go next, and 651 00:38:29,575 --> 00:38:32,695 Speaker 5: just go directly to the if they are remember, go 652 00:38:32,815 --> 00:38:39,455 Speaker 5: directly there, yes, to get some response, or maybe they'll 653 00:38:39,495 --> 00:38:41,335 Speaker 5: step in and just say, hey, look, we'll we'll send 654 00:38:41,335 --> 00:38:42,855 Speaker 5: someone to fix it. I don't know what they're going 655 00:38:42,935 --> 00:38:45,295 Speaker 5: to do, but it'll be quicker than going through the 656 00:38:45,335 --> 00:38:48,335 Speaker 5: dispute tribunal. I like the dispute tribunal. I think they 657 00:38:48,375 --> 00:38:52,095 Speaker 5: do great work, but you know it might take a 658 00:38:52,135 --> 00:38:54,295 Speaker 5: little while. So Roger, I would suggest that that's your 659 00:38:54,295 --> 00:38:55,415 Speaker 5: best way forward. 660 00:38:56,415 --> 00:39:01,535 Speaker 10: Yes, all right, Will that cover the new regulations, because 661 00:39:01,535 --> 00:39:04,735 Speaker 10: you see I have to reach to do this now, 662 00:39:04,815 --> 00:39:09,455 Speaker 10: to reach this after reach over boiling pots and the. 663 00:39:11,815 --> 00:39:12,175 Speaker 4: Yeah, I. 664 00:39:13,735 --> 00:39:16,975 Speaker 5: Think there are regulations. In fact, our next callers are sparky, 665 00:39:17,015 --> 00:39:20,295 Speaker 5: I think, so I might ask them, but I think look, 666 00:39:20,815 --> 00:39:24,135 Speaker 5: I would suggest you go to the master electricians if 667 00:39:24,655 --> 00:39:26,895 Speaker 5: they are, remember, and get them to send someone out 668 00:39:26,895 --> 00:39:28,375 Speaker 5: to have a look at it. That would be the 669 00:39:28,375 --> 00:39:28,855 Speaker 5: way I go. 670 00:39:29,815 --> 00:39:30,375 Speaker 10: I do that. 671 00:39:30,575 --> 00:39:32,295 Speaker 5: Let us know how you get on, Roger. I hope 672 00:39:32,295 --> 00:39:34,455 Speaker 5: it all works out in the end. Eight hundred and 673 00:39:34,455 --> 00:39:36,775 Speaker 5: eighty ten eighty The number to call Steve, good morning. 674 00:39:37,535 --> 00:39:41,855 Speaker 12: Good morning, your two points you know you have You've 675 00:39:41,855 --> 00:39:44,215 Speaker 12: probably got a case there with what's going on, because 676 00:39:45,495 --> 00:39:50,735 Speaker 12: with the fan thing with people depending on Obviously I 677 00:39:50,775 --> 00:39:54,215 Speaker 12: can't see what I can't see, sure, but yeah, I 678 00:39:54,215 --> 00:39:58,255 Speaker 12: do fear for these people. But in most cases, yes, 679 00:39:58,295 --> 00:40:02,775 Speaker 12: they're going to be vented outside obviously. Yeah, and in 680 00:40:02,895 --> 00:40:06,975 Speaker 12: time I've seen horrible installations, and yeah, the high away 681 00:40:07,015 --> 00:40:09,255 Speaker 12: from the actual service of the range. 682 00:40:09,455 --> 00:40:12,655 Speaker 5: Less less effective, and that's that's just physicals. 683 00:40:13,415 --> 00:40:18,295 Speaker 12: Going back one, excuse me going back one that thing 684 00:40:18,335 --> 00:40:20,775 Speaker 12: about all these people jumping on the bag and wagon 685 00:40:20,895 --> 00:40:24,655 Speaker 12: doing these inspections and that. So we're being in being 686 00:40:24,695 --> 00:40:29,015 Speaker 12: in the actational. We are responsible. We sign a coc right, 687 00:40:29,935 --> 00:40:32,655 Speaker 12: we are responsible, not not when you know, if you 688 00:40:32,735 --> 00:40:36,935 Speaker 12: sell your business or move on. We are responsible with 689 00:40:37,055 --> 00:40:42,775 Speaker 12: that document until that building or house or whatever has 690 00:40:42,855 --> 00:40:48,215 Speaker 12: been detibitioned, so if they can prove liability. So in 691 00:40:48,215 --> 00:40:54,055 Speaker 12: my I cannot see what the building and builders costs 692 00:40:54,055 --> 00:40:57,455 Speaker 12: this country millions of dollars for no reason. We should 693 00:40:57,895 --> 00:41:02,655 Speaker 12: regulate and legislate these builders. If that proud of their work, 694 00:41:02,935 --> 00:41:06,735 Speaker 12: they won't mind. We've got this of men and see 695 00:41:06,855 --> 00:41:11,775 Speaker 12: that is absolutely crippling out country. 696 00:41:12,255 --> 00:41:15,015 Speaker 5: It's it's a discussion worthy of a lot more time, 697 00:41:15,015 --> 00:41:17,215 Speaker 5: which we don't have right now. But I mean it's 698 00:41:17,215 --> 00:41:19,895 Speaker 5: really interesting for you as a professional in the industry 699 00:41:19,935 --> 00:41:22,455 Speaker 5: to take that stance. We'll talk more about it after. 700 00:41:22,255 --> 00:41:26,015 Speaker 4: The News doing other house extorting the garden. 701 00:41:26,135 --> 00:41:29,855 Speaker 1: Last Pete for Ahead the resident builder with Peter Wolfcap 702 00:41:29,935 --> 00:41:31,695 Speaker 1: call eight hundred. 703 00:41:31,135 --> 00:41:34,215 Speaker 4: Eighty ten eighty News talks'd be welcome. 704 00:41:33,855 --> 00:41:35,895 Speaker 5: Back to the show. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty. The 705 00:41:36,015 --> 00:41:40,255 Speaker 5: number to call it is six almost seven minutes past 706 00:41:40,375 --> 00:41:43,015 Speaker 5: seven here at Newsks. He'd be. If you have a 707 00:41:43,015 --> 00:41:46,935 Speaker 5: building question, whether that's the rules, the regulations, the practical stuff, 708 00:41:47,295 --> 00:41:49,975 Speaker 5: the systems, the product selection, feel free to give me 709 00:41:50,015 --> 00:41:52,615 Speaker 5: a call or a text. That call is eight hundred 710 00:41:52,615 --> 00:41:54,575 Speaker 5: eighty ten eighty If you would like to text, it's 711 00:41:54,655 --> 00:41:57,055 Speaker 5: nine to nine two. Later on this so hour, we're 712 00:41:57,055 --> 00:42:00,175 Speaker 5: going to catch up with Mike Olds. I'm actually quite 713 00:42:00,175 --> 00:42:02,655 Speaker 5: of pertinent really given the conversation in the first hour 714 00:42:02,695 --> 00:42:06,455 Speaker 5: about certain types of cladding and propensities for leaking and on. 715 00:42:06,615 --> 00:42:08,775 Speaker 5: We'll have a bit of a discussion with Mike Olds 716 00:42:08,775 --> 00:42:11,455 Speaker 5: from Razine Construction about that. In the next hour of 717 00:42:11,495 --> 00:42:13,455 Speaker 5: the show. I wanted to spend a couple of minutes 718 00:42:13,495 --> 00:42:16,935 Speaker 5: talking with Dan Saunders, who is a trustee of the 719 00:42:17,015 --> 00:42:21,335 Speaker 5: super home movement. If you're interested in building better than 720 00:42:21,575 --> 00:42:24,735 Speaker 5: minimum standards. Right, If you're interested in building better than 721 00:42:24,975 --> 00:42:29,215 Speaker 5: code minimum, which is obviously all that's legally required, where 722 00:42:29,255 --> 00:42:32,615 Speaker 5: do you go for information? And this thankfully plenty of sources. 723 00:42:32,615 --> 00:42:35,095 Speaker 5: But the super home movement added as a collective of 724 00:42:35,135 --> 00:42:39,135 Speaker 5: people who are interested in promoting better building, higher performance 725 00:42:39,975 --> 00:42:44,855 Speaker 5: in our building's better insulation, better ventilation, better detailing. I 726 00:42:44,895 --> 00:42:46,695 Speaker 5: was thinking about this the other day that you know, 727 00:42:47,055 --> 00:42:50,095 Speaker 5: we've had double glazing pretty much standard in joinery for 728 00:42:50,615 --> 00:42:53,935 Speaker 5: the last fifteen twenty years, but we've been putting it 729 00:42:53,975 --> 00:42:56,415 Speaker 5: in the wrong place in many cases because we're hanging 730 00:42:56,455 --> 00:42:59,175 Speaker 5: it right outside on the cladding because we've got these cavities, 731 00:42:59,215 --> 00:43:01,495 Speaker 5: because we worried about our clotting leaking, so we ended 732 00:43:01,535 --> 00:43:04,695 Speaker 5: up with our joinery outside on the cladding and our 733 00:43:04,735 --> 00:43:07,135 Speaker 5: double glazing out there, leaving an I speak gap all 734 00:43:07,175 --> 00:43:10,135 Speaker 5: around the perimeter. So you know, it's details like that 735 00:43:10,135 --> 00:43:12,695 Speaker 5: that are part of I guess what the super home 736 00:43:12,735 --> 00:43:14,855 Speaker 5: movement's doing. So we're going to chat with Dan Saunder's 737 00:43:15,215 --> 00:43:17,735 Speaker 5: with regard to super Home Movement after eight o'clock as well, 738 00:43:17,775 --> 00:43:20,015 Speaker 5: and of course we're into the garden with reclined past 739 00:43:20,095 --> 00:43:22,975 Speaker 5: at eight thirty. So, just to wrap up the conversation 740 00:43:23,175 --> 00:43:28,855 Speaker 5: with Steve, Steve, you're an electrician professional, you've got you know, 741 00:43:28,935 --> 00:43:33,455 Speaker 5: electricians as opposed to some other trades, in a sense 742 00:43:33,535 --> 00:43:36,295 Speaker 5: self regulating and have been for a long time, aren't they. 743 00:43:36,415 --> 00:43:40,655 Speaker 5: So if you issue a coec A certificate of compliance 744 00:43:40,815 --> 00:43:45,015 Speaker 5: for some electrical work you've done that's not necessarily inspected 745 00:43:45,175 --> 00:43:49,055 Speaker 5: or checked by anyone other than you, does that happens correct? 746 00:43:49,175 --> 00:43:49,375 Speaker 6: Yeah? 747 00:43:49,735 --> 00:43:52,815 Speaker 12: Yeah, But in the old days, we used to have 748 00:43:52,855 --> 00:43:55,015 Speaker 12: what they called a pinky, and we used to have 749 00:43:55,095 --> 00:43:57,895 Speaker 12: the inspectors come around behind us and. 750 00:43:58,175 --> 00:44:01,055 Speaker 5: Every job or just occasionally, Oh. 751 00:44:01,095 --> 00:44:04,655 Speaker 12: They'd do it occasionally because actually, you know, it was 752 00:44:04,695 --> 00:44:07,135 Speaker 12: either a pinky or bluey I think one of the 753 00:44:07,135 --> 00:44:07,495 Speaker 12: other things. 754 00:44:07,535 --> 00:44:09,255 Speaker 4: Anyhow, that's still the case, isn't it. 755 00:44:09,295 --> 00:44:11,735 Speaker 5: Because I know a maid of mine who's an electrician 756 00:44:11,775 --> 00:44:15,415 Speaker 5: runs a small firm. He we were talking about the 757 00:44:15,415 --> 00:44:16,855 Speaker 5: sages ago and he said, you know, every now and 758 00:44:16,935 --> 00:44:19,175 Speaker 5: then there's an audit, right, someone comes out and they'll 759 00:44:19,175 --> 00:44:21,135 Speaker 5: go through and check you work, check your systems. That 760 00:44:21,175 --> 00:44:22,495 Speaker 5: would still be in place, wouldn't it. 761 00:44:23,695 --> 00:44:26,815 Speaker 12: Well, No, that's where you do get an inspect if 762 00:44:26,815 --> 00:44:30,855 Speaker 12: you touch the other side of the mains. Your democation 763 00:44:31,095 --> 00:44:34,895 Speaker 12: is on the mains, right, But I'm not one hundred 764 00:44:34,895 --> 00:44:37,895 Speaker 12: percent sure on that. But just too quickly before I 765 00:44:37,895 --> 00:44:41,535 Speaker 12: forget on that kitchen job. Yes, I just looked it up. 766 00:44:42,935 --> 00:44:45,455 Speaker 12: It has to be on the cook top. The range 767 00:44:45,535 --> 00:44:48,855 Speaker 12: has to be one hundred and fifty mil exhaust capacity 768 00:44:48,895 --> 00:44:52,415 Speaker 12: and at least fifty liters per second. Yes, it's got 769 00:44:52,495 --> 00:44:55,535 Speaker 12: to you know. But yeah, going back to the regulations, 770 00:44:56,175 --> 00:44:59,495 Speaker 12: I mean it works for electricians. It's worked because if 771 00:44:59,535 --> 00:45:03,215 Speaker 12: you get someone in the old days, you didn't want 772 00:45:03,255 --> 00:45:09,095 Speaker 12: to get a pinky because everyone knew, right, think the drums, 773 00:45:09,135 --> 00:45:15,975 Speaker 12: you know. But I cannot believe my that system works 774 00:45:15,975 --> 00:45:19,775 Speaker 12: for New Zealand and Australia the same regulations, right, I know, 775 00:45:19,855 --> 00:45:22,455 Speaker 12: this varying thing, but we have different regulations in the 776 00:45:22,455 --> 00:45:27,655 Speaker 12: building code between different areas and it's just layers and 777 00:45:27,775 --> 00:45:29,575 Speaker 12: layers of guaucrausy, you. 778 00:45:29,535 --> 00:45:32,815 Speaker 5: Know, just on the building issues. I mean, there shouldn't 779 00:45:32,855 --> 00:45:37,775 Speaker 5: be actually differences. There's only one building code right in 780 00:45:37,815 --> 00:45:41,335 Speaker 5: New Zealand. So this whole thing about you know, some 781 00:45:41,495 --> 00:45:44,815 Speaker 5: inspectors do it this way. It's like no, they're not 782 00:45:44,855 --> 00:45:47,495 Speaker 5: supposed to know. And when you encounter an inspector that 783 00:45:47,575 --> 00:45:50,215 Speaker 5: wants to do it their way, you have to go back. 784 00:45:50,255 --> 00:45:52,415 Speaker 5: And this was a discussion I had with some guys 785 00:45:52,415 --> 00:45:54,695 Speaker 5: the other day. You know, inspector turned up on site, 786 00:45:54,735 --> 00:45:57,095 Speaker 5: looked at the fixings and when they need to be 787 00:45:57,175 --> 00:46:01,215 Speaker 5: stainless steel, and they'd put galvanized fixings on because it 788 00:46:01,295 --> 00:46:03,495 Speaker 5: wasn't going to be exposed, right, so if it was 789 00:46:03,575 --> 00:46:05,855 Speaker 5: exposed in the sea spray zone, sure it might need 790 00:46:05,895 --> 00:46:08,655 Speaker 5: to be to steal it in this And the inspector said, no, 791 00:46:08,775 --> 00:46:10,775 Speaker 5: that's not right. I'm going to fail the inspection. It's 792 00:46:10,775 --> 00:46:13,455 Speaker 5: got to be stainless. And they went, no, here's the 793 00:46:13,615 --> 00:46:17,695 Speaker 5: building consent. The building consent has been issued. It's specified 794 00:46:17,855 --> 00:46:23,495 Speaker 5: as galvanized and galvanized as all that's required. So you know, 795 00:46:23,535 --> 00:46:25,295 Speaker 5: I mean, you do have to know your stuff. Just 796 00:46:25,455 --> 00:46:30,975 Speaker 5: a last quick question for electricians. For obviously all electricians 797 00:46:31,015 --> 00:46:35,935 Speaker 5: are registered, right as part of your registration, do you 798 00:46:36,135 --> 00:46:37,615 Speaker 5: have to keep insurance? 799 00:46:39,135 --> 00:46:39,335 Speaker 8: Yes? 800 00:46:39,735 --> 00:46:45,655 Speaker 12: Yes, we are million million, simple as that. Ah, that's 801 00:46:45,695 --> 00:46:49,175 Speaker 12: how it works. I mean, and every two two years, 802 00:46:49,295 --> 00:46:51,495 Speaker 12: I think it's three years, we have to go to 803 00:46:51,575 --> 00:46:54,415 Speaker 12: a refresher course. We have to do our first aid yep. 804 00:46:54,855 --> 00:46:57,775 Speaker 12: And it's just mandatory, and I mean, there's no problem 805 00:46:57,855 --> 00:47:00,895 Speaker 12: with that. But they're keeping an eye on everything, and 806 00:47:00,935 --> 00:47:04,495 Speaker 12: it's moving in the right direction because we I mean, 807 00:47:04,935 --> 00:47:10,975 Speaker 12: it's so simple to enforce. It's not rocket science. We 808 00:47:11,095 --> 00:47:13,295 Speaker 12: seem to get. I don't know that this country is 809 00:47:13,415 --> 00:47:16,215 Speaker 12: very good at creating laws for that reason. 810 00:47:16,535 --> 00:47:19,015 Speaker 5: Is the argument though, Well, one of the arguments that 811 00:47:19,055 --> 00:47:23,335 Speaker 5: inevitably is going to be it's going to add cost. Right, 812 00:47:23,455 --> 00:47:26,495 Speaker 5: So if we're going to make it mandatory that let's 813 00:47:26,535 --> 00:47:32,895 Speaker 5: say all license building practitioners must carry public liability insurance 814 00:47:32,895 --> 00:47:37,855 Speaker 5: for example, or some sort of pl you know, it's 815 00:47:37,935 --> 00:47:40,455 Speaker 5: it costs, right, and someone's going to pay for it, 816 00:47:40,495 --> 00:47:42,975 Speaker 5: and eventually it's going to be the consumer. And at 817 00:47:43,015 --> 00:47:45,575 Speaker 5: a time when we're trying to drive down the cost 818 00:47:45,615 --> 00:47:48,695 Speaker 5: of housing if possible, adding a layer of cost is 819 00:47:48,735 --> 00:47:51,815 Speaker 5: going to be politically unpalatable. 820 00:47:53,535 --> 00:47:55,095 Speaker 12: Yeah, but where does it stop them start? 821 00:47:55,175 --> 00:47:55,935 Speaker 11: If that? 822 00:47:56,215 --> 00:47:59,255 Speaker 12: I mean, I call them stealth taxes. I choose to 823 00:47:59,335 --> 00:48:04,255 Speaker 12: be an electrician, yes, and in a way, so I've 824 00:48:04,255 --> 00:48:07,535 Speaker 12: got a choice either, and by law, we've got to 825 00:48:07,535 --> 00:48:10,375 Speaker 12: follow this procedure. If I don't want to get started 826 00:48:10,415 --> 00:48:14,975 Speaker 12: in this right and not comply, well, I still remember 827 00:48:14,975 --> 00:48:16,615 Speaker 12: the day they brought all this in, by the way, 828 00:48:16,895 --> 00:48:20,895 Speaker 12: I mean years ago that when they got rid of 829 00:48:20,975 --> 00:48:23,495 Speaker 12: the inspectors. Then I just said, exactly what you're saying, 830 00:48:23,695 --> 00:48:27,095 Speaker 12: this is just creating another layer of costs to them. 831 00:48:27,495 --> 00:48:31,295 Speaker 12: But at the end, what would you rather have people 832 00:48:31,335 --> 00:48:35,935 Speaker 12: being responsible for what they're doing for life or just 833 00:48:35,975 --> 00:48:38,415 Speaker 12: having these cowboys come in. We've seen them come in 834 00:48:38,495 --> 00:48:38,935 Speaker 12: and go. 835 00:48:40,695 --> 00:48:41,055 Speaker 6: Okay. 836 00:48:41,215 --> 00:48:45,895 Speaker 12: Then there is an argument there are we going to 837 00:48:45,895 --> 00:48:50,135 Speaker 12: be able to find these people? Well, those people love 838 00:48:50,255 --> 00:48:53,735 Speaker 12: those people. You're always going to get those types of people. 839 00:48:53,855 --> 00:48:56,655 Speaker 12: But most people, there's more good people than bad people, 840 00:48:57,175 --> 00:48:59,895 Speaker 12: are going to comply with the regulation because you don't 841 00:48:59,895 --> 00:49:01,015 Speaker 12: want to get your name. 842 00:49:01,055 --> 00:49:03,215 Speaker 5: And again, as long as there are checks and balances 843 00:49:03,215 --> 00:49:07,455 Speaker 5: in the system, right so within the electra regulations or 844 00:49:07,455 --> 00:49:10,295 Speaker 5: electrical regulations in terms of you must have your license, 845 00:49:10,335 --> 00:49:14,815 Speaker 5: you must prove competency, you have to continue to get updated, 846 00:49:14,855 --> 00:49:17,895 Speaker 5: there are checks and balances in it. I do wonder 847 00:49:17,895 --> 00:49:21,175 Speaker 5: whether that's you know, the big Personally, I'm a big 848 00:49:21,215 --> 00:49:23,855 Speaker 5: fan of the license building Practitioner scheme, but I'd like 849 00:49:23,975 --> 00:49:28,775 Speaker 5: to see it's it's rights and its responsibilities be extended 850 00:49:29,135 --> 00:49:32,695 Speaker 5: a little bit like the Arethur plumbers, electricians and so on. Steve, 851 00:49:32,735 --> 00:49:34,655 Speaker 5: we've got to move along. Really appreciate your call and 852 00:49:34,695 --> 00:49:37,455 Speaker 5: your insights and and I guess that's what a bit 853 00:49:37,495 --> 00:49:40,015 Speaker 5: of age and knowledge brings as well. So I really 854 00:49:40,015 --> 00:49:42,615 Speaker 5: appreciate that, Steve. Thank you very much. John. 855 00:49:42,695 --> 00:49:46,255 Speaker 4: Good morning, good morning, good morning. 856 00:49:46,455 --> 00:49:50,095 Speaker 12: I just got manure from my house insurance. 857 00:49:50,335 --> 00:49:50,575 Speaker 6: Yep. 858 00:49:50,935 --> 00:49:54,535 Speaker 12: And it's a brick, it's a brick unit and on 859 00:49:54,535 --> 00:49:57,015 Speaker 12: on the papers it's got a brick veneer. 860 00:49:59,015 --> 00:49:59,615 Speaker 6: Bricker. 861 00:50:00,095 --> 00:50:04,775 Speaker 5: Okay, it's if you think about, they're very uncommon, like 862 00:50:04,855 --> 00:50:07,735 Speaker 5: a genuine brick house and News Zealand is quite uncommon. 863 00:50:08,815 --> 00:50:11,575 Speaker 5: And typically that will mean that it's got brick on 864 00:50:11,655 --> 00:50:14,975 Speaker 5: the inside face that might be plasted smooth. Then it's 865 00:50:15,015 --> 00:50:16,615 Speaker 5: got a little bit of a cavity. Then it's got 866 00:50:16,615 --> 00:50:19,215 Speaker 5: an other layer of bricks, and so the bricks are 867 00:50:19,215 --> 00:50:23,375 Speaker 5: a structural element. Think about if you watch programs about 868 00:50:23,495 --> 00:50:26,255 Speaker 5: UK building, most of their buildings or a large number 869 00:50:26,255 --> 00:50:28,295 Speaker 5: of their buildings are brick and it's a double layer 870 00:50:28,335 --> 00:50:32,255 Speaker 5: of brick. Most New Zealand brick houses are actually timber 871 00:50:32,255 --> 00:50:38,895 Speaker 5: framed with a brick veneer. So probably ninety of New 872 00:50:38,975 --> 00:50:43,775 Speaker 5: Zealand brick houses are timber frame with a veneer. A 873 00:50:43,855 --> 00:50:46,135 Speaker 5: simple way to check if you go up to the 874 00:50:46,135 --> 00:50:48,735 Speaker 5: walls in your house and give them a good tap 875 00:50:48,935 --> 00:50:51,095 Speaker 5: if it sounds a bit hollow, or if you can 876 00:50:51,135 --> 00:50:53,735 Speaker 5: see that it's got plaster board on it, or if 877 00:50:53,775 --> 00:50:55,695 Speaker 5: you open up a light switch and have a look, 878 00:50:55,735 --> 00:50:58,935 Speaker 5: there'll be timber framing in behind there. It's most likely 879 00:50:58,975 --> 00:51:00,575 Speaker 5: timber framed with brick venia. 880 00:51:02,335 --> 00:51:07,535 Speaker 8: Yes, you've got a timber frame, but they're solid bricks. 881 00:51:06,295 --> 00:51:08,695 Speaker 5: So I know, but it's not. I wouldn't describe that 882 00:51:08,775 --> 00:51:11,415 Speaker 5: as a brick house. I would describe that as having 883 00:51:11,455 --> 00:51:14,695 Speaker 5: a brick veneer because the bricks are not like the 884 00:51:14,695 --> 00:51:16,895 Speaker 5: bricks are not supporting the roof. For example, you could 885 00:51:16,895 --> 00:51:20,175 Speaker 5: take the bricks off and the roof would stay there. 886 00:51:20,975 --> 00:51:23,975 Speaker 5: So it's a brick forming. Yeah, it's it's the structure 887 00:51:24,055 --> 00:51:28,895 Speaker 5: is in the framing. I hope that helps take care 888 00:51:29,335 --> 00:51:35,215 Speaker 5: all the very best you can, ah Pet. Last week 889 00:51:35,255 --> 00:51:38,095 Speaker 5: you spoke about a bathroom extractor fan that monitors the 890 00:51:38,175 --> 00:51:42,615 Speaker 5: moisture in the air and can stay and will work 891 00:51:42,695 --> 00:51:46,295 Speaker 5: all through. What they are is it's the one that 892 00:51:46,335 --> 00:51:48,495 Speaker 5: I picked up is from Cimix, so s I m 893 00:51:48,855 --> 00:51:52,975 Speaker 5: X they do or they're introducing a range of fans. 894 00:51:54,215 --> 00:51:57,015 Speaker 5: I'm not sure what the distribution's like, but if you 895 00:51:57,055 --> 00:51:59,615 Speaker 5: go directly to Cimmics, I'm sure they'll sort you out. 896 00:51:59,775 --> 00:52:02,735 Speaker 5: So s I m X and what it is is 897 00:52:02,855 --> 00:52:06,095 Speaker 5: it's an extraction fan, but it has a humidity sensor 898 00:52:06,455 --> 00:52:10,415 Speaker 5: it the fan. And this is kind of hopefully where 899 00:52:10,415 --> 00:52:14,055 Speaker 5: we're all heading right. So in bathrooms, for example, you'll 900 00:52:14,095 --> 00:52:17,055 Speaker 5: have an extractor fan that runs at a low rate 901 00:52:17,375 --> 00:52:20,455 Speaker 5: all of the time, so continues to draw air through 902 00:52:20,455 --> 00:52:22,895 Speaker 5: that space to encourage circulation, which is a good thing. 903 00:52:23,335 --> 00:52:28,055 Speaker 5: And then it when it notices humidity, Ie you've turned 904 00:52:28,055 --> 00:52:30,735 Speaker 5: on the shower, there's lots of moist air floating around. 905 00:52:30,855 --> 00:52:34,015 Speaker 5: Warm moist air, it will ramp up to a higher 906 00:52:34,215 --> 00:52:37,615 Speaker 5: rate and then act to extract all of that. And 907 00:52:37,655 --> 00:52:40,095 Speaker 5: then as the humidity drops in the room, as the 908 00:52:40,175 --> 00:52:43,855 Speaker 5: room dries out effectively, it will drop down its rate 909 00:52:44,055 --> 00:52:46,735 Speaker 5: and continue on there. So there may well be other 910 00:52:46,735 --> 00:52:48,695 Speaker 5: manufacturers doing them, but the ones that I know and 911 00:52:48,695 --> 00:52:50,935 Speaker 5: the one that I installed is a Simmix one. So 912 00:52:51,095 --> 00:52:54,895 Speaker 5: SIMX oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number 913 00:52:54,935 --> 00:52:57,975 Speaker 5: to call. A couple of weeks ago, we were talking 914 00:52:57,975 --> 00:53:01,135 Speaker 5: about bathrooms and the number or the number of doors 915 00:53:01,175 --> 00:53:05,455 Speaker 5: required between a kitchen and a toilet. Basically, so the 916 00:53:05,495 --> 00:53:09,895 Speaker 5: code requires is just one. So bathroom's near the kitchens? 917 00:53:09,935 --> 00:53:12,335 Speaker 5: Can you tell me the legality of that? Our house 918 00:53:12,375 --> 00:53:14,735 Speaker 5: has one door between the kitchen. It's only like five 919 00:53:14,735 --> 00:53:17,895 Speaker 5: to six feet away or in the new language one 920 00:53:17,935 --> 00:53:22,255 Speaker 5: point eight meters roughly. Yeah, one door is required between 921 00:53:22,255 --> 00:53:25,455 Speaker 5: a toilet and a kitchen. I had this thing from 922 00:53:25,535 --> 00:53:27,295 Speaker 5: years ago that maybe it needed to be two, but 923 00:53:27,415 --> 00:53:29,975 Speaker 5: it is just one. Check that myself today it is 924 00:53:30,255 --> 00:53:33,215 Speaker 5: seven eighteen here News Talk, said B and Dean, Good 925 00:53:33,255 --> 00:53:33,855 Speaker 5: morning to you. 926 00:53:35,695 --> 00:53:36,175 Speaker 6: Good morning. 927 00:53:36,855 --> 00:53:42,655 Speaker 13: I probably an unusual question. I Steve just mentioned insurance, Yes, 928 00:53:43,135 --> 00:53:46,055 Speaker 13: which is a good thing. But what if so what 929 00:53:46,095 --> 00:53:48,095 Speaker 13: if I have a scenario where I do a build, 930 00:53:48,895 --> 00:53:54,375 Speaker 13: the trades person does the job, and then maybe a 931 00:53:54,415 --> 00:53:58,415 Speaker 13: couple of years later so moves away. Mister Australia, what 932 00:53:58,455 --> 00:54:05,255 Speaker 13: have you? Is the insurance component still valid for the 933 00:54:05,295 --> 00:54:08,255 Speaker 13: trades person work, so you know, if there's something wrong, 934 00:54:08,295 --> 00:54:11,935 Speaker 13: can I n go to the insurance company and say, hey, guys, look, 935 00:54:12,335 --> 00:54:16,095 Speaker 13: you know Johnny's not here anymore. However, this was covered 936 00:54:16,135 --> 00:54:18,975 Speaker 13: by you guys. How do I settle a claim. 937 00:54:19,815 --> 00:54:22,895 Speaker 5: I mean, look all, I mean you would want to 938 00:54:22,895 --> 00:54:27,615 Speaker 5: get specific advice on specific policies, obviously, So that's my disclaimer. 939 00:54:27,895 --> 00:54:30,095 Speaker 5: One of the things that I've sort of been in 940 00:54:30,335 --> 00:54:33,375 Speaker 5: conversation with a few people about is this idea of 941 00:54:33,415 --> 00:54:36,815 Speaker 5: sort of run on insurance because you know, the same 942 00:54:36,815 --> 00:54:39,975 Speaker 5: could have happened. Let's say as an LBP, Right, So 943 00:54:40,175 --> 00:54:42,055 Speaker 5: if I do work and I issue a record of works, 944 00:54:42,095 --> 00:54:44,775 Speaker 5: I'm responsible for that work for ten years. Now, Let's 945 00:54:44,775 --> 00:54:47,295 Speaker 5: say I do a job and I'm sixty four and 946 00:54:47,335 --> 00:54:50,095 Speaker 5: I plan on retiring at sixty five. How do I 947 00:54:50,295 --> 00:54:54,975 Speaker 5: ensure that I should there be a claim when I'm seventy, right, 948 00:54:55,015 --> 00:54:57,735 Speaker 5: and I've sold on my tools, I've packed up, I'm 949 00:54:57,735 --> 00:54:59,935 Speaker 5: fishing all day. You know how am I going to 950 00:54:59,935 --> 00:55:04,295 Speaker 5: be responsible for that? So some contractor type insurances have 951 00:55:04,535 --> 00:55:08,335 Speaker 5: like a run on clause. So, but I would imagine 952 00:55:08,375 --> 00:55:11,415 Speaker 5: you'd need to continue to make a contribution in terms 953 00:55:11,495 --> 00:55:14,215 Speaker 5: of the premiums for a period of time, but it 954 00:55:14,295 --> 00:55:17,815 Speaker 5: will cover you for the length of time that you're 955 00:55:17,895 --> 00:55:22,295 Speaker 5: legally responsible for it. You would need to look at 956 00:55:22,295 --> 00:55:25,375 Speaker 5: each individual policy. I would imagine that some policies are 957 00:55:25,495 --> 00:55:28,975 Speaker 5: for the project and they don't have that run on insurance. 958 00:55:29,095 --> 00:55:33,775 Speaker 5: Other policies offered up by tradespeople might have that provision, 959 00:55:33,855 --> 00:55:37,415 Speaker 5: but I wouldn't assume that every single one does, so 960 00:55:37,855 --> 00:55:39,495 Speaker 5: you'd have to look at each on a case by 961 00:55:39,575 --> 00:55:45,535 Speaker 5: case basis. I think great isn't really an answer, but 962 00:55:45,575 --> 00:55:50,735 Speaker 5: the ego, you know, we know that insurance is complicated, right, 963 00:55:51,455 --> 00:55:57,055 Speaker 5: and so liability insurance and run on policies that must 964 00:55:57,055 --> 00:55:58,575 Speaker 5: be pretty complicated as well. 965 00:56:00,815 --> 00:56:03,455 Speaker 13: Yeah, I just had a situation with a car which 966 00:56:04,095 --> 00:56:08,855 Speaker 13: right which I didn't X to get the insurance claim done. 967 00:56:08,935 --> 00:56:11,895 Speaker 13: For some times is busy forgot, you know, and it 968 00:56:11,935 --> 00:56:15,415 Speaker 13: wasn't and it wasn't critical. But then you know, the 969 00:56:15,495 --> 00:56:17,775 Speaker 13: comment the insurance company made to me at the time 970 00:56:17,895 --> 00:56:19,815 Speaker 13: was well, as long as it was covered at that 971 00:56:19,855 --> 00:56:24,775 Speaker 13: particular time under that policy, yes, then you can still 972 00:56:24,815 --> 00:56:28,335 Speaker 13: make the claim. However, I'm still contributing, of course, but 973 00:56:28,415 --> 00:56:29,855 Speaker 13: I just wondered because it was it was one of 974 00:56:29,895 --> 00:56:32,335 Speaker 13: those things that you know suddenly from a from an 975 00:56:32,335 --> 00:56:35,095 Speaker 13: electrical perspective, you know the job hasn't been done correctly 976 00:56:35,215 --> 00:56:38,935 Speaker 13: or or any number of reasons, you know, but you 977 00:56:38,975 --> 00:56:42,655 Speaker 13: don't actually discover it until sometime down the track. 978 00:56:42,815 --> 00:56:45,975 Speaker 5: So I guess. And the other question that you'd add 979 00:56:46,015 --> 00:56:47,855 Speaker 5: to that, or the other issue would be, let's say 980 00:56:47,855 --> 00:56:52,335 Speaker 5: the company you know ceases trading, right, does that mean 981 00:56:52,335 --> 00:56:54,735 Speaker 5: that that's the end of the responsibility to that. 982 00:56:57,815 --> 00:57:00,335 Speaker 13: Yeah? Or or in fact, you know, my coverage is 983 00:57:00,335 --> 00:57:03,095 Speaker 13: as a consumer, as the as the client. You know, 984 00:57:03,135 --> 00:57:05,415 Speaker 13: do I still am? I still covered? As probably the 985 00:57:05,455 --> 00:57:08,775 Speaker 13: important thing because sometimes these things aren't discovered like leaky 986 00:57:08,775 --> 00:57:13,095 Speaker 13: homes for some time. So you know, if you if 987 00:57:13,135 --> 00:57:17,975 Speaker 13: there was that ability to have the recourse later on, 988 00:57:18,135 --> 00:57:21,215 Speaker 13: then then it'll work for the consumer. But you're right, 989 00:57:21,375 --> 00:57:25,295 Speaker 13: insurance companies unless you keep paying them, they. 990 00:57:24,135 --> 00:57:30,215 Speaker 5: They tend to and that's the nature of business. Look, 991 00:57:30,255 --> 00:57:32,055 Speaker 5: you're not wrong. Hey, good to talk with you, Dean. 992 00:57:32,295 --> 00:57:35,295 Speaker 5: Enjoy your day, take take care, all the best. We'll 993 00:57:35,295 --> 00:57:36,615 Speaker 5: talk to John after the break. 994 00:57:36,735 --> 00:57:39,215 Speaker 1: Whether you're paid in the ceiling, fixing the fens, or 995 00:57:39,255 --> 00:57:41,215 Speaker 1: wondering how to fix that hole in the wall. 996 00:57:41,295 --> 00:57:45,855 Speaker 4: Give Feeder Wolf Gabber call on eighty the resident builder 997 00:57:46,015 --> 00:57:47,815 Speaker 4: on news Talks, it'd be you. 998 00:57:47,855 --> 00:57:49,575 Speaker 5: And News Talks. It'd be quick. A couple of texts 999 00:57:49,575 --> 00:57:53,215 Speaker 5: as well. Just a little bit of a clarification on 1000 00:57:53,495 --> 00:57:57,335 Speaker 5: the conversation we had with Steve who's an electrician. He 1001 00:57:57,375 --> 00:58:00,055 Speaker 5: did make the comment about sort of being responsible for 1002 00:58:00,095 --> 00:58:03,695 Speaker 5: the duration of the building, which not quite completely true 1003 00:58:03,775 --> 00:58:06,975 Speaker 5: or not current anyway, So Tony is text through Hey Pete, 1004 00:58:06,975 --> 00:58:09,455 Speaker 5: I too am electrician the previous spark. He said that 1005 00:58:09,495 --> 00:58:12,655 Speaker 5: the compliance certificate lasts until the building is decommissioned. This 1006 00:58:12,775 --> 00:58:15,815 Speaker 5: is not true. They are valid for seven years or 1007 00:58:15,895 --> 00:58:20,215 Speaker 5: until someone else does some work. So bearing in mind 1008 00:58:20,215 --> 00:58:25,015 Speaker 5: that any electrical work that's done, the electrician should issue 1009 00:58:25,055 --> 00:58:28,455 Speaker 5: a COOC, a certificate of compliance at the end of that. 1010 00:58:28,615 --> 00:58:32,615 Speaker 5: So if you've had a PowerPoint installed or done anything 1011 00:58:32,695 --> 00:58:34,975 Speaker 5: any changes to the wiring, that sort of thing, they 1012 00:58:35,055 --> 00:58:39,135 Speaker 5: must issue a COOC and it remains on let's says, 1013 00:58:39,135 --> 00:58:41,335 Speaker 5: I guess on their records, but it also gives you 1014 00:58:41,415 --> 00:58:44,975 Speaker 5: something that you can add to your property file as well. 1015 00:58:45,695 --> 00:58:49,375 Speaker 5: Another quick one on the electricians and accountability. The reason 1016 00:58:49,375 --> 00:58:53,375 Speaker 5: accountability works for electrical workers is that there are specific 1017 00:58:53,455 --> 00:58:57,175 Speaker 5: electrical tests that can prove whether the work meets requirements 1018 00:58:58,335 --> 00:59:03,015 Speaker 5: EEC cases where a fatality can result from inadequate testing, 1019 00:59:03,055 --> 00:59:06,895 Speaker 5: whereas construction work can hide defects that do not manifest 1020 00:59:06,935 --> 00:59:09,935 Speaker 5: for many years, and so homeowners lives might be ruined 1021 00:59:10,215 --> 00:59:13,775 Speaker 5: and the perpetrators have banked the profits and are long gone. 1022 00:59:13,935 --> 00:59:17,735 Speaker 5: I cite multiple apartment blocks around the country's evidence. Regards 1023 00:59:17,735 --> 00:59:21,095 Speaker 5: from Owen very well, put, you're right, I mean this 1024 00:59:21,215 --> 00:59:26,095 Speaker 5: is I guess the beauty of the electrical work is 1025 00:59:26,135 --> 00:59:29,935 Speaker 5: that you do the work and then you can objectively 1026 00:59:30,215 --> 00:59:34,695 Speaker 5: test it and find fault with it. You can build 1027 00:59:34,735 --> 00:59:37,975 Speaker 5: a building and potentially not see faults for many years. 1028 00:59:38,015 --> 00:59:40,575 Speaker 5: So yeah, I hear exactly what you're say. Oh, eight 1029 00:59:40,735 --> 00:59:48,495 Speaker 5: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call Steve 1030 00:59:48,615 --> 00:59:51,655 Speaker 5: the Sparky. What are you doing, mate? Steve the Sparky 1031 00:59:51,695 --> 00:59:55,775 Speaker 5: text Pete regarding liability insurance for electricians. Unfortunately, it is 1032 00:59:55,775 --> 00:59:58,255 Speaker 5: not a compulsory in New Zealand, though it's highly recommended 1033 00:59:58,255 --> 01:00:01,055 Speaker 5: for self employed electricians and a requirement for most of 1034 01:00:01,095 --> 01:00:05,295 Speaker 5: our commercial clients. Spot auditing is and always has been 1035 01:00:05,335 --> 01:00:08,375 Speaker 5: in place for electricians. They can often ask for ten 1036 01:00:08,455 --> 01:00:11,935 Speaker 5: compliance certificates at once, and then they'll presume they're goun chess. 1037 01:00:11,935 --> 01:00:14,255 Speaker 5: And I was asked to supplay ten and one street once. 1038 01:00:14,335 --> 01:00:17,615 Speaker 5: Regards from Steve the Sparky, world famous in Hawk's Bay. 1039 01:00:17,695 --> 01:00:20,495 Speaker 5: I have no reason to doubt that thank you very much. 1040 01:00:20,775 --> 01:00:24,415 Speaker 5: If you want to offer up another opinion about so 1041 01:00:24,575 --> 01:00:28,935 Speaker 5: liability insurance, what about professional indemnity insurance for electricians? Is 1042 01:00:28,975 --> 01:00:34,215 Speaker 5: that compulsory if you're a registered electrician? I'd like to know. John, 1043 01:00:34,295 --> 01:00:35,095 Speaker 5: good morning to you. 1044 01:00:36,015 --> 01:00:39,895 Speaker 14: Yeah, good morning. I'm bringing in from Winton. When I 1045 01:00:39,935 --> 01:00:43,615 Speaker 14: did my time in the sixties down here, we built 1046 01:00:44,575 --> 01:00:51,015 Speaker 14: two churches and school designed by an architect in Dunedin, yep. 1047 01:00:51,215 --> 01:00:55,655 Speaker 14: And when we were building the school, we said to him, 1048 01:00:55,695 --> 01:01:00,815 Speaker 14: this school's going to leap right and we said to him, 1049 01:01:01,535 --> 01:01:04,135 Speaker 14: what's the you know, why can't do you see what 1050 01:01:04,175 --> 01:01:09,135 Speaker 14: we see? Comment was, I am the architect. You will 1051 01:01:09,175 --> 01:01:16,295 Speaker 14: build them to my design. Now, that's what we had 1052 01:01:16,335 --> 01:01:20,095 Speaker 14: to do. But then I went to Well and I 1053 01:01:20,095 --> 01:01:25,055 Speaker 14: did a New Zealand certificate in building feet and we 1054 01:01:25,095 --> 01:01:30,175 Speaker 14: had an English architect teaching us weather tightness in construction 1055 01:01:30,335 --> 01:01:37,415 Speaker 14: and it was an English box, you know. And at 1056 01:01:37,415 --> 01:01:40,895 Speaker 14: the time I thought, all of it feels, what the hello, 1057 01:01:41,015 --> 01:01:43,975 Speaker 14: We've wasted our time doing this stuff. But going back 1058 01:01:45,335 --> 01:01:49,455 Speaker 14: in the UK, it was all about flashings. Lead and 1059 01:01:50,615 --> 01:01:56,455 Speaker 14: silicon wasn't around then. And if you really start to 1060 01:01:56,495 --> 01:02:01,735 Speaker 14: look at the leaky home problems, the architects and the designers, 1061 01:02:01,855 --> 01:02:05,255 Speaker 14: in my opinion, should have been the first stop. And 1062 01:02:05,295 --> 01:02:10,255 Speaker 14: then if you have a look at silicon or the sealants, 1063 01:02:10,695 --> 01:02:15,575 Speaker 14: and if building's got that in it, it's almost invariably 1064 01:02:15,615 --> 01:02:17,375 Speaker 14: eventually going to sleep. 1065 01:02:17,495 --> 01:02:17,695 Speaker 6: Pea. 1066 01:02:19,335 --> 01:02:23,375 Speaker 5: I certainly look. My attitude particularly to sealants, right and silicon, 1067 01:02:23,535 --> 01:02:26,975 Speaker 5: is that it should be there not as the primary 1068 01:02:27,175 --> 01:02:30,895 Speaker 5: layer of defense, but as an additional layer of defense. So, 1069 01:02:31,015 --> 01:02:34,055 Speaker 5: for example, if you've got a well detailed metal flashing 1070 01:02:34,575 --> 01:02:37,655 Speaker 5: and you add a layer of silicon, let's say, underneath 1071 01:02:37,655 --> 01:02:40,095 Speaker 5: the lap, it's going to be better than if it 1072 01:02:40,135 --> 01:02:42,935 Speaker 5: didn't have one. But you should still be reliant on 1073 01:02:43,015 --> 01:02:46,415 Speaker 5: the detailing of the flashing for weather type's yea, not 1074 01:02:46,455 --> 01:02:51,255 Speaker 5: the sealant itself, you know. So you know, if you've 1075 01:02:51,255 --> 01:02:53,855 Speaker 5: got a complex junction, let's say, between two different types 1076 01:02:53,895 --> 01:02:56,095 Speaker 5: of cladding, there might be a requirement to have a 1077 01:02:56,095 --> 01:02:58,855 Speaker 5: bead of sealant on the outside surface of that, but 1078 01:02:58,975 --> 01:03:03,335 Speaker 5: ideally you'd have a backflashing that if water penetrates between 1079 01:03:03,375 --> 01:03:05,855 Speaker 5: the gap between the two types of cladding, it hits 1080 01:03:05,855 --> 01:03:10,055 Speaker 5: that flatish and is directed outside of the building. So 1081 01:03:10,255 --> 01:03:14,135 Speaker 5: sealing has a place, but it shouldn't be everything. 1082 01:03:14,655 --> 01:03:18,535 Speaker 14: Based on your experience then, because I think that a 1083 01:03:18,575 --> 01:03:21,095 Speaker 14: lot of builders have been hard done by because they 1084 01:03:21,135 --> 01:03:26,015 Speaker 14: were building to the plans and the species by architects 1085 01:03:26,095 --> 01:03:31,655 Speaker 14: or draftsmen, designers right and all through the leaps building. 1086 01:03:32,295 --> 01:03:35,375 Speaker 14: It appears that all those guys, by the way, got free, 1087 01:03:36,175 --> 01:03:38,495 Speaker 14: and yet they were their original. 1088 01:03:38,295 --> 01:03:39,175 Speaker 8: Causes of it. 1089 01:03:39,695 --> 01:03:41,975 Speaker 5: I don't know whether they would have got away scott 1090 01:03:42,215 --> 01:03:44,495 Speaker 5: free in the sense that I'm sure that there are 1091 01:03:44,575 --> 01:03:48,015 Speaker 5: various designers, consultants and so on who have had to 1092 01:03:48,175 --> 01:03:52,575 Speaker 5: pay out for their contribution to a building that's ended 1093 01:03:52,655 --> 01:03:57,735 Speaker 5: up failing, ie leaking. But you know, again, because of 1094 01:03:57,775 --> 01:04:01,495 Speaker 5: the nature of business structures and so on, there's probably 1095 01:04:01,495 --> 01:04:04,175 Speaker 5: a lot that haven't paid out, had have simply folded 1096 01:04:04,175 --> 01:04:07,775 Speaker 5: their companies and avoided libel see that way. So you know, 1097 01:04:08,575 --> 01:04:12,255 Speaker 5: the issue going forward is how do we shift the 1098 01:04:12,375 --> 01:04:15,655 Speaker 5: risk onto the people who are actually responsible for the work. 1099 01:04:15,695 --> 01:04:19,335 Speaker 5: And this is a big discussion at the moment around 1100 01:04:20,375 --> 01:04:23,855 Speaker 5: it's no longer proposed we're going to most likely see 1101 01:04:24,175 --> 01:04:29,415 Speaker 5: seventy square meter simple standalone dwellings being built without necessarily 1102 01:04:29,455 --> 01:04:33,175 Speaker 5: requiring a building consent. So if you take counsel out 1103 01:04:33,175 --> 01:04:37,095 Speaker 5: of the equation, as a homeowner or as a consumer, 1104 01:04:37,655 --> 01:04:41,015 Speaker 5: how do you where do you get the surety that 1105 01:04:41,015 --> 01:04:43,455 Speaker 5: that building's not going to cause me a problem in 1106 01:04:43,495 --> 01:04:46,335 Speaker 5: the future. In the past, you could sort of go, well, look, 1107 01:04:46,375 --> 01:04:48,975 Speaker 5: because I've got a building consent, council are telling me 1108 01:04:49,015 --> 01:04:51,295 Speaker 5: the building's okay. If there's a problem, I can go 1109 01:04:51,335 --> 01:04:53,935 Speaker 5: back to council later on in life. If counsel are 1110 01:04:54,015 --> 01:04:56,495 Speaker 5: not in there, and you're a consumer, the end user, 1111 01:04:56,895 --> 01:04:58,935 Speaker 5: how do you make sure that if there's a problem 1112 01:04:58,975 --> 01:05:02,055 Speaker 5: with it in eight years time, for example, that you're 1113 01:05:02,055 --> 01:05:04,775 Speaker 5: going to have someone to go back to. And ultimately, 1114 01:05:04,855 --> 01:05:06,775 Speaker 5: I guess that's all going to be driven by insurance. 1115 01:05:07,975 --> 01:05:11,775 Speaker 14: Yeah, could you get prepped an expert on sealance on 1116 01:05:11,815 --> 01:05:15,415 Speaker 14: your show one day, because all right, I'm seventy six, 1117 01:05:15,495 --> 01:05:19,575 Speaker 14: so I'm well gone from building. Yeah, but most people 1118 01:05:19,735 --> 01:05:25,575 Speaker 14: don't understand what different sealents are for etcetera. Except you 1119 01:05:25,655 --> 01:05:27,415 Speaker 14: see them laid out of the buildings fly. 1120 01:05:27,695 --> 01:05:29,855 Speaker 5: Yeah. It's a very good point. 1121 01:05:30,455 --> 01:05:34,455 Speaker 14: And that's where one of the starts of the problem start, 1122 01:05:34,535 --> 01:05:37,895 Speaker 14: because if you've got the proper ceilant, you can literally 1123 01:05:38,015 --> 01:05:38,975 Speaker 14: water proof anything. 1124 01:05:41,775 --> 01:05:44,255 Speaker 5: I have just the right person in mind, to be fair, 1125 01:05:45,855 --> 01:05:48,375 Speaker 5: I might have to give Steve a call. If he's listening, 1126 01:05:48,375 --> 01:05:51,055 Speaker 5: he'll know who he is. I appreciate that. I'll see 1127 01:05:51,055 --> 01:05:53,015 Speaker 5: what I can do. It might be quite a good 1128 01:05:53,055 --> 01:05:56,855 Speaker 5: topic actually, because there is there's a baffling array of seilants. 1129 01:05:56,895 --> 01:05:58,935 Speaker 5: I was in a one of the large hardware stores 1130 01:05:58,935 --> 01:06:02,095 Speaker 5: the other day. Was I looking for seilants? 1131 01:06:03,815 --> 01:06:03,895 Speaker 6: No? 1132 01:06:04,015 --> 01:06:05,815 Speaker 5: I don't think I was, but anyway, I wandered along 1133 01:06:05,815 --> 01:06:09,655 Speaker 5: that particular And you're right. There's all sorts of different seilants. 1134 01:06:09,695 --> 01:06:11,255 Speaker 5: There are some that you can paint, there are some 1135 01:06:11,335 --> 01:06:13,615 Speaker 5: that you can't. There are some that are UV stabilized. 1136 01:06:13,655 --> 01:06:15,655 Speaker 5: There are others that are flexible. There are others that 1137 01:06:15,695 --> 01:06:20,375 Speaker 5: are flexible and adhesive. There are ones for interiors and exteriors. 1138 01:06:20,415 --> 01:06:24,975 Speaker 5: There are clear, there's translucent, these different colored ones, et cetera. Yeah, 1139 01:06:25,015 --> 01:06:28,175 Speaker 5: it is a little bit baffling. So yeah, you do 1140 01:06:28,295 --> 01:06:31,415 Speaker 5: need to make sure you use the right one um 1141 01:06:33,495 --> 01:06:36,055 Speaker 5: in the right application makes a huge difference. Oh eight, 1142 01:06:36,055 --> 01:06:38,855 Speaker 5: one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call? 1143 01:06:38,935 --> 01:06:39,815 Speaker 5: Hello Margaret? 1144 01:06:41,935 --> 01:06:42,895 Speaker 4: Hi, Margaret. 1145 01:06:44,055 --> 01:06:49,175 Speaker 15: Good more than you, Peter, you do great work, especially 1146 01:06:49,215 --> 01:06:51,695 Speaker 15: on radio. Thanks and in the. 1147 01:06:51,775 --> 01:06:52,535 Speaker 16: Telly as well. 1148 01:06:53,535 --> 01:06:57,895 Speaker 15: Sorry, I was just doing multitasking and trying to clear 1149 01:06:57,935 --> 01:06:59,775 Speaker 15: my throat a bit from the yoga last night. 1150 01:07:00,855 --> 01:07:01,575 Speaker 5: How can I help? 1151 01:07:01,895 --> 01:07:07,055 Speaker 15: So we just well we I'd love just europe on 1152 01:07:07,175 --> 01:07:09,735 Speaker 15: what you would do and compare what. 1153 01:07:09,615 --> 01:07:10,655 Speaker 16: We've done so far. 1154 01:07:11,575 --> 01:07:12,255 Speaker 12: So we have a. 1155 01:07:13,255 --> 01:07:18,895 Speaker 15: Architecturally built home with all the crazy trimmings that we 1156 01:07:18,935 --> 01:07:25,855 Speaker 15: didn't really need a want. So so we did build 1157 01:07:25,855 --> 01:07:29,855 Speaker 15: a swimming pool and a deck the queever, and they 1158 01:07:29,975 --> 01:07:32,415 Speaker 15: both meant the last fifty years. But no way, Jose, 1159 01:07:34,375 --> 01:07:35,175 Speaker 15: I would never. 1160 01:07:35,055 --> 01:07:37,135 Speaker 5: Have believed the person that said to you that that 1161 01:07:37,215 --> 01:07:39,055 Speaker 5: timber outside is going to last. 1162 01:07:38,815 --> 01:07:42,335 Speaker 15: Fifty years, the swimming pool and the deck. 1163 01:07:44,855 --> 01:07:48,575 Speaker 5: If it's concrete, but timber outside untreated never going to 1164 01:07:48,655 --> 01:07:49,695 Speaker 5: last fifty years. 1165 01:07:50,255 --> 01:07:53,735 Speaker 15: Yeah, And dealing with counsels and they're constant changing of 1166 01:07:53,775 --> 01:07:56,295 Speaker 15: the rules and so on so forth, you know, to 1167 01:07:56,295 --> 01:08:00,015 Speaker 15: get past you know, the five year check something, the 1168 01:08:00,055 --> 01:08:04,255 Speaker 15: warrants or whatever. So right now we're at the at 1169 01:08:04,255 --> 01:08:07,895 Speaker 15: the stage of trying to down some and we did 1170 01:08:07,935 --> 01:08:11,775 Speaker 15: get the alteration specialists and to check with all the 1171 01:08:11,815 --> 01:08:17,615 Speaker 15: problems we've had with trees and leaking roofs. 1172 01:08:17,255 --> 01:08:25,175 Speaker 16: And and and so lots. Oh, we had a flood 1173 01:08:25,375 --> 01:08:29,375 Speaker 16: as well from the bathroom and sideways. 1174 01:08:28,855 --> 01:08:33,655 Speaker 15: And through and through. So yeah, so it's a bit 1175 01:08:33,695 --> 01:08:35,015 Speaker 15: scary what the quote will be. 1176 01:08:35,735 --> 01:08:39,535 Speaker 5: But so this is all remedial work that you need 1177 01:08:39,575 --> 01:08:41,775 Speaker 5: to do before you sell the property. 1178 01:08:43,175 --> 01:08:47,735 Speaker 15: Yes, yes, like doing the wolf wolf or whatever. And 1179 01:08:47,815 --> 01:08:51,415 Speaker 15: the size of the tennis court lawn, the size of 1180 01:08:51,455 --> 01:08:57,735 Speaker 15: the lawn is also got the potential for subdividing. But 1181 01:08:57,815 --> 01:09:01,135 Speaker 15: we just don't have the energy really or inclination to 1182 01:09:01,175 --> 01:09:02,215 Speaker 15: deal with more counsel. 1183 01:09:02,895 --> 01:09:06,895 Speaker 5: So how is the house? I'm just intrigued. When when 1184 01:09:06,975 --> 01:09:07,295 Speaker 5: was that ho? 1185 01:09:09,615 --> 01:09:14,375 Speaker 15: It's at least thirty years old. So we moved in 1186 01:09:14,455 --> 01:09:16,655 Speaker 15: when our son was a toddler. He was looking out 1187 01:09:16,655 --> 01:09:19,015 Speaker 15: the window watching the digging of the for the pool. 1188 01:09:20,415 --> 01:09:25,335 Speaker 15: So yeah, he's not thirty years so it's it's I 1189 01:09:25,375 --> 01:09:28,695 Speaker 15: think it was maybe a couple of years built prior 1190 01:09:28,735 --> 01:09:30,135 Speaker 15: to him, so at least. 1191 01:09:30,015 --> 01:09:33,455 Speaker 5: Thirty years And when So the house when it was 1192 01:09:33,495 --> 01:09:36,575 Speaker 5: built would have had a building consent. Was that building 1193 01:09:36,615 --> 01:09:37,575 Speaker 5: consent signed? 1194 01:09:38,055 --> 01:09:38,575 Speaker 16: Definitely? 1195 01:09:40,455 --> 01:09:43,975 Speaker 5: And do you have a CCC attached to that building consent? 1196 01:09:46,135 --> 01:09:51,575 Speaker 15: Uh? Yes, of course. But as you said, were the 1197 01:09:51,655 --> 01:09:54,895 Speaker 15: trees before even building the pool? They said, oh, just 1198 01:09:55,095 --> 01:09:58,615 Speaker 15: chop all the trees out before you built the pool on, 1199 01:09:59,735 --> 01:10:03,135 Speaker 15: and of course we didn't because we thought, you know, 1200 01:10:04,455 --> 01:10:07,055 Speaker 15: it'd be nice to have a few palm trees around. 1201 01:10:06,775 --> 01:10:09,495 Speaker 4: The pool or the. 1202 01:10:12,055 --> 01:10:12,375 Speaker 6: Margaret. 1203 01:10:12,895 --> 01:10:14,615 Speaker 5: If your choice is to keep the trees and the 1204 01:10:14,615 --> 01:10:16,735 Speaker 5: trees are a problem, that's that's nothing to do with 1205 01:10:16,775 --> 01:10:21,335 Speaker 5: the builders or anything like that. That's that's again it 1206 01:10:21,455 --> 01:10:25,215 Speaker 5: was interesting, sorry, it was interesting yesterday or that they 1207 01:10:25,495 --> 01:10:32,535 Speaker 5: were having a discussion about homeowners hopefully becoming more educated 1208 01:10:32,655 --> 01:10:35,735 Speaker 5: in terms of how to actually operate the machine that 1209 01:10:35,775 --> 01:10:39,495 Speaker 5: you're living in. There is a description of houses as 1210 01:10:39,535 --> 01:10:43,255 Speaker 5: being a machine for living, right, So typically they don't 1211 01:10:43,255 --> 01:10:46,135 Speaker 5: come with an instruction manual, but they kind of should, 1212 01:10:47,495 --> 01:10:51,975 Speaker 5: and that would be things around you know, ventilation, extraction, maintenance. 1213 01:10:52,775 --> 01:10:55,655 Speaker 5: Possibly the worst phrase that was ever invented is a 1214 01:10:55,695 --> 01:10:56,895 Speaker 5: no maintenance house. 1215 01:10:57,215 --> 01:10:57,455 Speaker 8: Right. 1216 01:10:58,855 --> 01:11:02,535 Speaker 5: That's it's just an impossibility. Everything requires maintenance, and everything 1217 01:11:02,615 --> 01:11:07,135 Speaker 5: requires a certain level of competency to operate it. We 1218 01:11:07,215 --> 01:11:09,895 Speaker 5: seem to have forgotten that somewhere along the line. Thanks 1219 01:11:09,975 --> 01:11:11,535 Speaker 5: very much for you call Margaret Oh eight hundred and 1220 01:11:11,535 --> 01:11:13,295 Speaker 5: eighty ten eighty would take a short break back. 1221 01:11:13,135 --> 01:11:17,135 Speaker 1: In mo squeaky door or squeaky floor, get the right 1222 01:11:17,175 --> 01:11:21,855 Speaker 1: advice from Peter WOLFCAF the resident builder on NEWSTALKSB. 1223 01:11:24,055 --> 01:11:26,575 Speaker 5: Recognizing the fact I'm not an electrician. Right, we seem 1224 01:11:26,575 --> 01:11:29,255 Speaker 5: to have had a lot of electrical calls. But someone 1225 01:11:29,655 --> 01:11:31,975 Speaker 5: has just texted through and said, can I get a 1226 01:11:32,015 --> 01:11:35,255 Speaker 5: retrospective coc so a certificate a compliance, which is I 1227 01:11:35,295 --> 01:11:40,535 Speaker 5: should buy a registered electrician for electrical work? Can I 1228 01:11:40,575 --> 01:11:42,615 Speaker 5: get a respective one? I bought a house recently that 1229 01:11:42,735 --> 01:11:46,655 Speaker 5: has work done, but no COOC was provided. Look what 1230 01:11:46,775 --> 01:11:50,255 Speaker 5: I would suggest there, and this is a general comment, 1231 01:11:50,335 --> 01:11:53,055 Speaker 5: and I've suggested in the past that if you have 1232 01:11:53,215 --> 01:11:58,135 Speaker 5: purchased a house, right and if it's relatively recent, maybe 1233 01:11:58,255 --> 01:12:00,815 Speaker 5: you know and it's got a coc with it and 1234 01:12:00,815 --> 01:12:03,375 Speaker 5: you can find that it's on the property record, that's great. 1235 01:12:03,615 --> 01:12:05,935 Speaker 5: But if you were purchasing a slightly older house, I 1236 01:12:05,975 --> 01:12:09,215 Speaker 5: actually think there is it would be tremendous value to 1237 01:12:09,215 --> 01:12:13,695 Speaker 5: have an electrician come and test the house. So I 1238 01:12:13,815 --> 01:12:16,775 Speaker 5: call it megging. That's a machine that they use. I 1239 01:12:16,815 --> 01:12:19,415 Speaker 5: don't really know how it works. I just know that 1240 01:12:19,495 --> 01:12:23,375 Speaker 5: what they're able to do is potentially identify faults with 1241 01:12:23,495 --> 01:12:26,655 Speaker 5: the electrical system. Right, And even the other day I 1242 01:12:26,695 --> 01:12:30,295 Speaker 5: was actually with the electrician that I regularly use and 1243 01:12:30,335 --> 01:12:33,095 Speaker 5: he looked at the board and he went, that could 1244 01:12:33,095 --> 01:12:36,455 Speaker 5: do with some updating. It's actually not a terribly old board, 1245 01:12:36,495 --> 01:12:41,255 Speaker 5: but it was done in this particular house about shivers 1246 01:12:41,415 --> 01:12:46,175 Speaker 5: twenty seven twenty eight years ago roughly, And while it's 1247 01:12:46,215 --> 01:12:48,855 Speaker 5: got circuit breakers on it, it doesn't have the required 1248 01:12:48,975 --> 01:12:52,295 Speaker 5: number of RCDs that you would need today to comply 1249 01:12:52,455 --> 01:12:56,095 Speaker 5: with the code. So while it's it's okay and it's safe, 1250 01:12:56,135 --> 01:12:58,615 Speaker 5: it's not as good as it could be. So that 1251 01:12:58,735 --> 01:13:00,935 Speaker 5: sort of advice. So I don't you know, if I 1252 01:13:00,975 --> 01:13:02,535 Speaker 5: was buying a house, let's say it's twenty years old, 1253 01:13:02,615 --> 01:13:08,255 Speaker 5: twenty five years old, I think that getting electrical inspector 1254 01:13:08,295 --> 01:13:11,615 Speaker 5: to come and do testing through the house would give 1255 01:13:11,655 --> 01:13:13,535 Speaker 5: you a lot of surety. And look at the story 1256 01:13:13,575 --> 01:13:16,415 Speaker 5: at the moment about the number of house fires, like 1257 01:13:16,455 --> 01:13:19,575 Speaker 5: there has been a dramatic peak in the number of 1258 01:13:19,655 --> 01:13:22,335 Speaker 5: house fires just in the last couple of weeks as 1259 01:13:22,375 --> 01:13:25,455 Speaker 5: the weather's got really cold. And I saw Pete Gallagher 1260 01:13:25,455 --> 01:13:29,135 Speaker 5: from the Fire Service, Fire and Emergency ENDZ yesterday on 1261 01:13:29,175 --> 01:13:32,655 Speaker 5: the news talking about sort of unconventional ways that people 1262 01:13:32,735 --> 01:13:36,095 Speaker 5: are resorting to to heating their houses, things like turning 1263 01:13:36,135 --> 01:13:39,175 Speaker 5: the oven on and leaving the door open. He says, 1264 01:13:39,215 --> 01:13:42,055 Speaker 5: even you know people are dragging barbecues inside their house 1265 01:13:42,095 --> 01:13:44,015 Speaker 5: to turn them on in order to heat the house. 1266 01:13:44,415 --> 01:13:48,455 Speaker 5: The other thing, just in terms of electrical is overheating 1267 01:13:48,575 --> 01:13:53,695 Speaker 5: or distribution not distribution boards. You know, the electrical switchboards. 1268 01:13:53,695 --> 01:13:55,095 Speaker 5: You can go down the road. You can buy them 1269 01:13:55,095 --> 01:13:58,975 Speaker 5: for six bucks at a discount store. You plug it 1270 01:13:58,975 --> 01:14:00,695 Speaker 5: in and then you've got four outlets, and then you 1271 01:14:00,735 --> 01:14:02,855 Speaker 5: plug something into each one of those. You're going to 1272 01:14:02,935 --> 01:14:06,695 Speaker 5: overload that right. So heaters, for example, should never be 1273 01:14:06,735 --> 01:14:10,255 Speaker 5: plugged into a powerboard. They should only be plugged in 1274 01:14:10,415 --> 01:14:13,855 Speaker 5: directly into a wall socket. So you know you're going 1275 01:14:13,895 --> 01:14:17,655 Speaker 5: to overload things and it's going to cause fires. So yeah, 1276 01:14:17,975 --> 01:14:20,295 Speaker 5: I think for me, my advice would be if you 1277 01:14:20,375 --> 01:14:21,975 Speaker 5: bought a house, or you're buying a house, or you're 1278 01:14:21,975 --> 01:14:23,495 Speaker 5: in a house and you've been there for a long time, 1279 01:14:23,535 --> 01:14:25,695 Speaker 5: you don't really know how good the electrics are, get 1280 01:14:25,695 --> 01:14:29,095 Speaker 5: it tested. Seems like a sensible idea to me. Seven 1281 01:14:29,175 --> 01:14:31,095 Speaker 5: forty five Mike Olds after the. 1282 01:14:31,055 --> 01:14:35,135 Speaker 1: Break, helping you get those DIY projects done right. The 1283 01:14:35,335 --> 01:14:40,135 Speaker 1: resident builder with peta wolf Cat Call, Youth Talks. 1284 01:14:41,295 --> 01:14:45,015 Speaker 5: And my pleasure to welcome back to the program regularly. 1285 01:14:45,095 --> 01:14:49,295 Speaker 5: Contributor and expert Mike Olds from Razine Construction Systems and 1286 01:14:49,455 --> 01:14:54,535 Speaker 5: good to see you on Friday night at the Architectural Designers' Awards. 1287 01:14:55,855 --> 01:14:58,455 Speaker 6: Always good a catch up with the eight ENSZ team YEP, 1288 01:14:58,575 --> 01:15:00,535 Speaker 6: and celebrate what they're up. 1289 01:15:00,415 --> 01:15:04,175 Speaker 5: To and some obviously some fantastic designs. If they've got 1290 01:15:04,175 --> 01:15:06,735 Speaker 5: through to the finals, then they're well to the regional 1291 01:15:06,775 --> 01:15:09,655 Speaker 5: finals anyway, they're obviously pretty good, so the interesting to 1292 01:15:09,695 --> 01:15:12,815 Speaker 5: see what the national finals look like. And then you 1293 01:15:12,855 --> 01:15:14,215 Speaker 5: and I it's always good to have a bit of 1294 01:15:14,215 --> 01:15:17,455 Speaker 5: a catch up. And then we started talking about, you know, 1295 01:15:17,975 --> 01:15:20,655 Speaker 5: in particularly the renders, right, so you know that that 1296 01:15:20,735 --> 01:15:23,855 Speaker 5: option now with some of the stuff provided by Razine 1297 01:15:23,895 --> 01:15:27,095 Speaker 5: Construction to you know, if you imagine having sort of 1298 01:15:27,135 --> 01:15:30,015 Speaker 5: that continuity, that that design element where you go, I 1299 01:15:30,015 --> 01:15:33,335 Speaker 5: want to bring inside or outside to inside or link 1300 01:15:33,455 --> 01:15:36,335 Speaker 5: the two together, that's now achievable with some of the 1301 01:15:36,415 --> 01:15:37,535 Speaker 5: renders that are on offer. 1302 01:15:38,455 --> 01:15:38,655 Speaker 8: Yeah. 1303 01:15:38,695 --> 01:15:40,975 Speaker 6: Absolutely, And I think there was a couple of projects 1304 01:15:41,015 --> 01:15:44,935 Speaker 6: that came up recently were taken the basebo. We actually 1305 01:15:45,015 --> 01:15:47,815 Speaker 6: bought our specific products purely because a lot of our 1306 01:15:47,815 --> 01:15:50,295 Speaker 6: clients that loved our artism. Plass to finish as the 1307 01:15:50,375 --> 01:15:53,855 Speaker 6: interior work, but being natural materials and clay or line, 1308 01:15:53,935 --> 01:15:56,135 Speaker 6: we couldn't actually take them outside. So we bought out 1309 01:15:56,135 --> 01:15:59,375 Speaker 6: a developed a product in contact with rock Co called Serrano, 1310 01:15:59,455 --> 01:16:04,455 Speaker 6: which brought that natural look of sort of burnished polished plaster. 1311 01:16:04,455 --> 01:16:06,975 Speaker 6: It seems to be quite the tree on tree at present. 1312 01:16:08,015 --> 01:16:10,375 Speaker 6: You can take it from inside, but also then go 1313 01:16:10,455 --> 01:16:12,735 Speaker 6: and take it right around the whole exterior of your property. 1314 01:16:13,895 --> 01:16:17,255 Speaker 6: So some of those developments just from some of the 1315 01:16:17,255 --> 01:16:20,135 Speaker 6: stuff we do internally then then pulls to the exterior. 1316 01:16:20,655 --> 01:16:22,255 Speaker 6: But one of the key things I suppose made as 1317 01:16:22,255 --> 01:16:24,735 Speaker 6: well as you're looking at your rendered surface, you end 1318 01:16:24,815 --> 01:16:28,095 Speaker 6: up with a solid core base to work from in 1319 01:16:28,095 --> 01:16:31,015 Speaker 6: the future, and your clients are your clients are talking 1320 01:16:31,935 --> 01:16:34,215 Speaker 6: a lot of the callers earlier, we're talking about general 1321 01:16:34,255 --> 01:16:36,615 Speaker 6: maintenance and what they can do and things like that. 1322 01:16:37,895 --> 01:16:40,615 Speaker 6: So the duty is anything in terms of extental clouding, 1323 01:16:41,855 --> 01:16:45,375 Speaker 6: in terms of plasters, it's easily maintained, and it's easily 1324 01:16:45,535 --> 01:16:48,655 Speaker 6: you can change the color. You can add additions if 1325 01:16:48,655 --> 01:16:52,735 Speaker 6: you if you don't like a particular section of work 1326 01:16:52,815 --> 01:16:57,975 Speaker 6: or wall you want to modification. You can add preplastic moldings. 1327 01:16:58,015 --> 01:16:59,975 Speaker 6: You can add lovers, you can do all sorts of 1328 01:17:00,055 --> 01:17:05,255 Speaker 6: things to actually not drastically change or reclaud a project, 1329 01:17:05,295 --> 01:17:07,935 Speaker 6: but it has a versatility in terms of what you 1330 01:17:07,975 --> 01:17:12,735 Speaker 6: can do to the exterior without without introducing massive cost 1331 01:17:12,775 --> 01:17:15,615 Speaker 6: over the life of the building. So it's yeah, they're 1332 01:17:15,615 --> 01:17:18,455 Speaker 6: incredibly incredibly versatile as a product and. 1333 01:17:18,455 --> 01:17:20,135 Speaker 5: Solution inadaptable, isn't it. 1334 01:17:21,175 --> 01:17:25,255 Speaker 6: Yeah, that's truely. I mean we talk about the meeting 1335 01:17:25,295 --> 01:17:28,135 Speaker 6: at a d m Z on the Awards nine talking 1336 01:17:28,175 --> 01:17:30,495 Speaker 6: with a couple of people there about how we live 1337 01:17:30,535 --> 01:17:35,055 Speaker 6: in homes today. You look at we're a very young society, 1338 01:17:35,135 --> 01:17:39,335 Speaker 6: so we don't have generational homes, where as you go 1339 01:17:39,415 --> 01:17:42,735 Speaker 6: to other countries in the world and they are very 1340 01:17:42,855 --> 01:17:45,495 Speaker 6: much generational. You know, the family will live in that 1341 01:17:45,815 --> 01:17:49,095 Speaker 6: particular residence for many, many years, And there was one 1342 01:17:49,135 --> 01:17:52,215 Speaker 6: residence at the award's night where he had actually considered 1343 01:17:52,255 --> 01:17:55,535 Speaker 6: that quite significantly that it was for his family today, 1344 01:17:56,175 --> 01:18:00,055 Speaker 6: that the children coming into the family and then his 1345 01:18:00,335 --> 01:18:05,095 Speaker 6: grandparents moving in the in the coming years. So you're 1346 01:18:05,135 --> 01:18:07,895 Speaker 6: starting to see it a little bit more common rather 1347 01:18:07,935 --> 01:18:11,615 Speaker 6: than the average seven year turnover of a property or 1348 01:18:11,655 --> 01:18:15,015 Speaker 6: ten year turnover property. So it's really important when people 1349 01:18:15,015 --> 01:18:17,735 Speaker 6: are making their selections in terms of their clouding systems 1350 01:18:18,495 --> 01:18:22,975 Speaker 6: and finishes, they take that into account because not only 1351 01:18:23,015 --> 01:18:26,575 Speaker 6: societal changes, but you've got climatic changes. So people can 1352 01:18:26,615 --> 01:18:31,255 Speaker 6: make decisions if they're living in colder areas to use 1353 01:18:31,295 --> 01:18:37,015 Speaker 6: a more insulative exterior cladding to minimize their future heating 1354 01:18:37,055 --> 01:18:40,135 Speaker 6: costs and calling costs. But also if you're living close 1355 01:18:40,175 --> 01:18:42,335 Speaker 6: to a busy road, you could look at a lightweight 1356 01:18:42,375 --> 01:18:47,695 Speaker 6: concrete to knock down the noise of every day sort 1357 01:18:47,695 --> 01:18:49,775 Speaker 6: of travel to be past your home. And we do 1358 01:18:49,815 --> 01:18:51,975 Speaker 6: that and a number of properties are nationals. 1359 01:18:52,975 --> 01:18:54,815 Speaker 5: The other thing that has been kind of a hot 1360 01:18:54,855 --> 01:18:57,215 Speaker 5: topic today and or we've got on to is that 1361 01:18:57,295 --> 01:19:01,895 Speaker 5: whole maintenance. And I wonder whether whoever throughout the phrase, 1362 01:19:02,015 --> 01:19:05,175 Speaker 5: oh this is a no maintenance home, you know, they've 1363 01:19:05,175 --> 01:19:07,295 Speaker 5: got a lot to answer for the reality is that 1364 01:19:07,375 --> 01:19:12,855 Speaker 5: everything requires maintenance. So in terms of the Razine construction systems, 1365 01:19:12,895 --> 01:19:16,415 Speaker 5: there is typically a maintenance schedule that's attached to that. 1366 01:19:16,535 --> 01:19:19,375 Speaker 5: So here's your product, we're really proud of it. This 1367 01:19:19,455 --> 01:19:21,015 Speaker 5: is what you need to do to keep it looking 1368 01:19:21,055 --> 01:19:23,335 Speaker 5: really good. And that's that's so important, doesn't it. 1369 01:19:24,095 --> 01:19:26,615 Speaker 6: It's incredibly important and it's and it doesn't take It 1370 01:19:26,655 --> 01:19:30,655 Speaker 6: doesn't take much. Generally, we have a we have a 1371 01:19:30,695 --> 01:19:33,375 Speaker 6: maintenance program where it's sort of like your service record 1372 01:19:33,415 --> 01:19:35,335 Speaker 6: for your vehicle, and you can actually sit there and 1373 01:19:35,375 --> 01:19:36,455 Speaker 6: you can go, right, what am I going to do 1374 01:19:36,495 --> 01:19:38,135 Speaker 6: in summer? What am I going to do in autun 1375 01:19:38,135 --> 01:19:39,335 Speaker 6: What am we going to do in one terair? Et cetera, 1376 01:19:39,375 --> 01:19:41,495 Speaker 6: et cetera, And the and the maintenance guide is very 1377 01:19:41,575 --> 01:19:44,335 Speaker 6: much aligned to the seasons. So but most of the 1378 01:19:44,335 --> 01:19:46,855 Speaker 6: time it's a it's a soft pressure wash. If you 1379 01:19:46,935 --> 01:19:50,295 Speaker 6: keep your windows clean as well, that generally stops all 1380 01:19:50,295 --> 01:19:52,295 Speaker 6: the grime building up into the internal corners of the 1381 01:19:52,335 --> 01:19:55,215 Speaker 6: jam and cell junctions and running down leaving black marks. Yes, 1382 01:19:55,255 --> 01:19:58,095 Speaker 6: so there's lots of just it doesn't take much. You know, 1383 01:19:58,175 --> 01:20:01,495 Speaker 6: people are go and clean their car every other week 1384 01:20:02,735 --> 01:20:06,135 Speaker 6: and then, but they tend to forget about the clanning. 1385 01:20:06,175 --> 01:20:09,455 Speaker 6: But that actually still needs to be cared for. And 1386 01:20:09,615 --> 01:20:13,615 Speaker 6: if you do it regularly, you're not going to have 1387 01:20:13,655 --> 01:20:18,935 Speaker 6: as many potential concerns as hard a work. Coming towards 1388 01:20:18,935 --> 01:20:22,055 Speaker 6: the end of life of paintings eighteen years, it'll be 1389 01:20:22,135 --> 01:20:25,615 Speaker 6: it'll be an easier pathway to actually general maintenance. And 1390 01:20:25,695 --> 01:20:29,535 Speaker 6: I know, looking at looking at mine that I completed 1391 01:20:29,695 --> 01:20:32,935 Speaker 6: more some twelve years ago. Now, I'll be I sort 1392 01:20:32,935 --> 01:20:34,255 Speaker 6: of leave it as a bit of a case and 1393 01:20:34,695 --> 01:20:36,735 Speaker 6: I look at it and I go, there's no way 1394 01:20:36,775 --> 01:20:39,175 Speaker 6: I need to paint this now, and that's like twelve 1395 01:20:39,255 --> 01:20:43,855 Speaker 6: years wow. And I should, I know I should. But 1396 01:20:44,295 --> 01:20:47,615 Speaker 6: if it's maintained and it's looked after, then you definitely, 1397 01:20:47,775 --> 01:20:50,135 Speaker 6: you definitely extend the lifetime of the cutting systems. 1398 01:20:50,415 --> 01:20:50,655 Speaker 10: You know. 1399 01:20:51,215 --> 01:20:52,775 Speaker 6: I don't think it's but I don't think it's possible, 1400 01:20:52,775 --> 01:20:54,535 Speaker 6: just to think that mother nature and a washer rain 1401 01:20:54,655 --> 01:20:59,255 Speaker 6: is what we consider it clean these days externally. But yeah, 1402 01:20:59,335 --> 01:21:02,175 Speaker 6: if it's maintained well and people don't forget it, it's 1403 01:21:02,255 --> 01:21:04,815 Speaker 6: not a hard, hard job. It's harder if you leave 1404 01:21:04,855 --> 01:21:06,895 Speaker 6: it and don't do any thing about it. 1405 01:21:08,095 --> 01:21:10,655 Speaker 5: The sort of vague hope that it will be okay. 1406 01:21:10,815 --> 01:21:13,895 Speaker 5: Typically isn't a great strategy when looking after our houses. 1407 01:21:14,775 --> 01:21:17,255 Speaker 6: No, definitely not. And I cancur with your I concur 1408 01:21:17,255 --> 01:21:20,375 Speaker 6: with your earlier quarter as well. Ceiling is not a 1409 01:21:20,415 --> 01:21:24,575 Speaker 6: primary flashing mechanism, all right, It's there. A lot of 1410 01:21:24,615 --> 01:21:29,775 Speaker 6: ceilings these days are primarily particularly externally esthetic. They are 1411 01:21:29,855 --> 01:21:32,975 Speaker 6: there to create a clean line over a flashing or 1412 01:21:33,055 --> 01:21:36,455 Speaker 6: under a flashing, So just a detailing line, particularly around 1413 01:21:36,695 --> 01:21:39,095 Speaker 6: windows and things like that. We still have a primary 1414 01:21:39,095 --> 01:21:42,215 Speaker 6: flashing suite around all of the windows and openings that 1415 01:21:42,815 --> 01:21:45,215 Speaker 6: go through the clipping lines. Yeah, very important. 1416 01:21:45,815 --> 01:21:48,375 Speaker 5: That is absolutely critical, and I was going to spring 1417 01:21:48,415 --> 01:21:51,295 Speaker 5: that on you, but I'm pleased that you've answered it. Anyway, Hey, 1418 01:21:51,335 --> 01:21:53,335 Speaker 5: if people want to find out more, check it out 1419 01:21:53,375 --> 01:21:57,095 Speaker 5: online because there's some some just some fantastic inspiration on 1420 01:21:57,095 --> 01:21:59,855 Speaker 5: the website as well as lots of really good technical detail. Mike, 1421 01:22:00,015 --> 01:22:03,255 Speaker 5: enjoy your day, and folks you want to check it out, 1422 01:22:03,255 --> 01:22:06,575 Speaker 5: have a look online. It's Razine Construction, dot co, dot z. 1423 01:22:06,815 --> 01:22:09,175 Speaker 5: Like I say, there's lots of inspiration in terms of 1424 01:22:09,175 --> 01:22:12,415 Speaker 5: the beautiful renders that they're able to achieve, but lots 1425 01:22:12,415 --> 01:22:15,015 Speaker 5: of technical detail there as well. Right, we're going to 1426 01:22:15,015 --> 01:22:16,735 Speaker 5: take a couple of calls after the break. We're also 1427 01:22:16,815 --> 01:22:19,575 Speaker 5: talking to the good people at the super Home Movement 1428 01:22:19,615 --> 01:22:22,375 Speaker 5: and rid Climb past at seven eight thirty. 1429 01:22:22,135 --> 01:22:28,255 Speaker 1: This morning, Meta twice God was but maybe call Pete first, 1430 01:22:28,335 --> 01:22:31,415 Speaker 1: pet WOLFGAF the Resident Builder News Talk, sa'd be. 1431 01:22:33,415 --> 01:22:35,975 Speaker 5: Ridio. Welcome back to the program. Oh eight hundred and eighty. 1432 01:22:36,055 --> 01:22:38,495 Speaker 5: Ten eighty is the numbered to call. We'll take a 1433 01:22:38,495 --> 01:22:40,255 Speaker 5: couple of calls for you text, and then we're gonna 1434 01:22:40,255 --> 01:22:42,095 Speaker 5: have a chat with Dan Saulders. This is from the 1435 01:22:42,175 --> 01:22:45,175 Speaker 5: super Home movement. Well, i'll get Dan to explain what 1436 01:22:45,295 --> 01:22:47,695 Speaker 5: it is and where it came from. But ten years, 1437 01:22:47,815 --> 01:22:53,335 Speaker 5: tremendous growth and it's a look, it's just a great organization. 1438 01:22:53,455 --> 01:22:56,415 Speaker 5: So if you're looking for advice on where to build better, 1439 01:22:57,135 --> 01:23:00,255 Speaker 5: there's a couple of sources, and I'd recommend super Homes 1440 01:23:00,335 --> 01:23:03,255 Speaker 5: as one of those. Radio seven minutes after and remember 1441 01:23:03,375 --> 01:23:06,775 Speaker 5: Red Climb passed at eight thirty as well. 1442 01:23:07,215 --> 01:23:07,695 Speaker 4: Quack tech. 1443 01:23:07,775 --> 01:23:13,935 Speaker 5: Someone's talking about the retrospective COC a lot of electricians saying, hey, 1444 01:23:13,935 --> 01:23:15,775 Speaker 5: that's not a bad idea, and look, to be fair, 1445 01:23:15,815 --> 01:23:17,535 Speaker 5: I think it is actually a really good idea to do. 1446 01:23:18,015 --> 01:23:19,815 Speaker 5: Oh this is the one here. We got good advice 1447 01:23:19,855 --> 01:23:22,815 Speaker 5: on the COC. Also make sure that whoever does the 1448 01:23:22,855 --> 01:23:28,175 Speaker 5: testing conducts an earth loop impedance test. Older homes would 1449 01:23:28,175 --> 01:23:31,215 Speaker 5: never have had this very important test done, or in 1450 01:23:31,215 --> 01:23:33,055 Speaker 5: some cases, you know, the earth wire goes in and 1451 01:23:33,095 --> 01:23:35,215 Speaker 5: then it kind of gets a bit battered. And it's 1452 01:23:35,495 --> 01:23:37,335 Speaker 5: to be fair, it's not. I would imagine that most 1453 01:23:37,375 --> 01:23:40,135 Speaker 5: electricians would have been to houses where the earthwire is 1454 01:23:40,135 --> 01:23:44,415 Speaker 5: no longer connected in any meaningful way to the rod 1455 01:23:44,455 --> 01:23:48,415 Speaker 5: that goes into the ground. And it's really really important. 1456 01:23:48,935 --> 01:23:51,135 Speaker 5: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty the number to call John. 1457 01:23:51,215 --> 01:23:54,535 Speaker 5: Good morning, Yeah, good morning, Pete, Hey John. 1458 01:23:56,095 --> 01:23:59,535 Speaker 8: Listen. About ten years ago we decided to give our 1459 01:23:59,735 --> 01:24:05,455 Speaker 8: kitchen a Thursday, not replacing chemmetry, but replacing the draw in, 1460 01:24:05,575 --> 01:24:09,895 Speaker 8: door fronts, paint, all those other sorts of things. Now, 1461 01:24:10,735 --> 01:24:13,375 Speaker 8: l's ten years ago. After about two or three years, 1462 01:24:13,375 --> 01:24:16,375 Speaker 8: some of the edges on the drawers started to lift, 1463 01:24:17,335 --> 01:24:19,295 Speaker 8: so the joiner came back and we sprayed those and 1464 01:24:19,255 --> 01:24:21,775 Speaker 8: included them down again. But in more recent months, last 1465 01:24:21,815 --> 01:24:24,295 Speaker 8: two or three months, the skin for one of a 1466 01:24:24,335 --> 01:24:27,375 Speaker 8: better expression, is starting to lift on those draws. And 1467 01:24:27,535 --> 01:24:31,415 Speaker 8: yet a doors doors have a pattern on them, just 1468 01:24:31,495 --> 01:24:34,895 Speaker 8: a square recess, and in the corner of those recesses particularly, 1469 01:24:34,895 --> 01:24:37,895 Speaker 8: that's starting to lift. So I guess my question, and 1470 01:24:37,935 --> 01:24:41,175 Speaker 8: certainly have gone back to the joiner, But is this 1471 01:24:41,775 --> 01:24:43,735 Speaker 8: you would expect these to last a lot longer than 1472 01:24:43,775 --> 01:24:47,015 Speaker 8: ten years. And secondly, have you ever experienced anything like 1473 01:24:47,055 --> 01:24:51,095 Speaker 8: this before? And If so, is it a complete replacement 1474 01:24:51,335 --> 01:24:54,815 Speaker 8: of all those fronts, or is there a process you 1475 01:24:54,855 --> 01:24:57,215 Speaker 8: can use where that skin can come up and a 1476 01:24:57,255 --> 01:24:58,015 Speaker 8: new one go on. 1477 01:24:58,895 --> 01:25:01,295 Speaker 5: I would think it would be incredibly unlikely that you'd 1478 01:25:01,335 --> 01:25:04,015 Speaker 5: find a system whereby you could, so just to be 1479 01:25:04,055 --> 01:25:07,495 Speaker 5: clear what it is, as one of that vacuum sealed 1480 01:25:09,495 --> 01:25:12,375 Speaker 5: skin effectively for one of a better term that's put over 1481 01:25:12,415 --> 01:25:16,015 Speaker 5: a substrate, typically the substraate CMDF, and then it's applied 1482 01:25:16,575 --> 01:25:19,135 Speaker 5: over the top right, so it gives you and look, 1483 01:25:19,655 --> 01:25:22,055 Speaker 5: I have found in the past that they've actually been 1484 01:25:22,455 --> 01:25:26,535 Speaker 5: tremendously durable, but they do also have a lifespan, and 1485 01:25:27,255 --> 01:25:30,095 Speaker 5: you know, you can have that option of spray painting units. 1486 01:25:30,375 --> 01:25:35,135 Speaker 5: But then if you knock it or scratch it, that's 1487 01:25:35,495 --> 01:25:36,655 Speaker 5: you can have it resprayed. 1488 01:25:36,695 --> 01:25:37,095 Speaker 4: I guess. 1489 01:25:38,135 --> 01:25:41,175 Speaker 5: So I don't think that you can repair that as 1490 01:25:41,255 --> 01:25:46,015 Speaker 5: such in any meaningful way. I suspect that it would 1491 01:25:46,015 --> 01:25:48,375 Speaker 5: be a case of going back and having another door 1492 01:25:48,415 --> 01:25:51,575 Speaker 5: to match or draw front to match the existing one. 1493 01:25:52,455 --> 01:25:55,295 Speaker 5: And whether or not that's economic to do, that's up 1494 01:25:55,335 --> 01:25:58,375 Speaker 5: to you in terms of like warranty and so on. 1495 01:25:59,295 --> 01:26:02,495 Speaker 5: Ten years is probably about as long as anyone would 1496 01:26:02,495 --> 01:26:05,175 Speaker 5: want to warranty. It would like to think that they'd 1497 01:26:05,215 --> 01:26:09,215 Speaker 5: last longer than that, if I'm really honest. I've got 1498 01:26:09,215 --> 01:26:13,855 Speaker 5: a similar system on in my kitchen. It's just on 1499 01:26:14,655 --> 01:26:18,175 Speaker 5: just under eighteen years old. And yeah, I'm starting to 1500 01:26:18,255 --> 01:26:21,095 Speaker 5: notice the same thing. You know, there's the lip that 1501 01:26:21,135 --> 01:26:23,295 Speaker 5: you hit with the pen when you put the pans away. 1502 01:26:23,335 --> 01:26:26,335 Speaker 5: That started to sort of fray a little bit. I 1503 01:26:26,335 --> 01:26:30,055 Speaker 5: haven't actually had any lifting on the panels themselves. It's 1504 01:26:30,095 --> 01:26:31,215 Speaker 5: typically around the edges. 1505 01:26:33,055 --> 01:26:37,135 Speaker 8: So these were completely rebuilt. So the doors were new doors, 1506 01:26:38,335 --> 01:26:44,055 Speaker 8: obviously manufactured externally from the joiner. My understanding is that 1507 01:26:44,055 --> 01:26:49,615 Speaker 8: that company that manufactured those got into difficulties, particularly around 1508 01:26:49,655 --> 01:26:54,015 Speaker 8: the material that they were using. Yeah, subsequently went into receivership, 1509 01:26:54,055 --> 01:26:56,815 Speaker 8: and then we're on sold and for a while the 1510 01:26:56,855 --> 01:27:00,055 Speaker 8: new owners did apparently acknowledge some of the claims, so 1511 01:27:00,655 --> 01:27:04,215 Speaker 8: understand that there were a lot of claims associated with 1512 01:27:04,295 --> 01:27:08,735 Speaker 8: the material that was used as the skin on them. So, 1513 01:27:10,255 --> 01:27:11,975 Speaker 8: I mean, I guess it's it's something that we're going 1514 01:27:12,015 --> 01:27:13,295 Speaker 8: to talk to our joining about it. But I was 1515 01:27:13,335 --> 01:27:17,055 Speaker 8: just curious to know whether you felt that they should 1516 01:27:17,095 --> 01:27:19,735 Speaker 8: last a bit longer. And obviously it was properly put 1517 01:27:19,815 --> 01:27:22,895 Speaker 8: on a year. It should last a little bit longer 1518 01:27:22,935 --> 01:27:26,415 Speaker 8: than ten years. I mean, we're not We're only there's 1519 01:27:26,455 --> 01:27:28,975 Speaker 8: only two of us. I'm not the kids that are 1520 01:27:29,015 --> 01:27:30,815 Speaker 8: knocking bots and bands. 1521 01:27:30,735 --> 01:27:36,655 Speaker 5: Or bashed around. Yeah, look, I think you're on the 1522 01:27:36,695 --> 01:27:39,095 Speaker 5: right track. Go back to the joiners. See if you can, 1523 01:27:39,575 --> 01:27:42,375 Speaker 5: you know, negotiate something, even if it's a you know, 1524 01:27:42,415 --> 01:27:44,855 Speaker 5: a discount off the replacement or something like that. But 1525 01:27:45,255 --> 01:27:47,895 Speaker 5: I think that's about as good as it's going to get. 1526 01:27:48,775 --> 01:27:50,135 Speaker 8: Okay, all right, all right. 1527 01:27:50,535 --> 01:27:53,855 Speaker 5: John, take care of all this. And and Brian, a 1528 01:27:53,935 --> 01:27:54,735 Speaker 5: quick word from you. 1529 01:27:56,135 --> 01:27:59,615 Speaker 8: Yeah, just yeah, I've been here. I've been researching your 1530 01:27:59,655 --> 01:28:01,695 Speaker 8: sceians for a while and after doing some maintenance on 1531 01:28:01,695 --> 01:28:04,415 Speaker 8: a large building. And yeah, key is to read, read 1532 01:28:04,455 --> 01:28:08,455 Speaker 8: the instructions, read the data sheet, see what the application is, make. 1533 01:28:08,375 --> 01:28:09,135 Speaker 6: Sure you do it right. 1534 01:28:09,975 --> 01:28:12,615 Speaker 8: But a quick question for you is sure the major 1535 01:28:12,655 --> 01:28:15,055 Speaker 8: issue where Heaven is with a old buttant old gutter, 1536 01:28:15,215 --> 01:28:18,335 Speaker 8: you know, internal butte old gutter in an industrial greehouse. 1537 01:28:19,415 --> 01:28:21,255 Speaker 8: I've got up there with a few things and tried them, 1538 01:28:21,255 --> 01:28:25,015 Speaker 8: the latest being well, it was a butte old button 1539 01:28:25,015 --> 01:28:27,095 Speaker 8: old patch with a primer first, which seemed to do 1540 01:28:27,175 --> 01:28:30,855 Speaker 8: quite well, but I've also gone over that with with 1541 01:28:31,015 --> 01:28:36,095 Speaker 8: some koy seam tape and some ky liquid rubber. Now, 1542 01:28:36,135 --> 01:28:39,615 Speaker 8: the downside is that some of the places that I'm 1543 01:28:39,655 --> 01:28:43,815 Speaker 8: repairing are actually in a submergence. You know, they actually 1544 01:28:43,975 --> 01:28:45,415 Speaker 8: is you know, if you get a good rain, the 1545 01:28:45,495 --> 01:28:48,935 Speaker 8: rain will just sit there for days on end. So 1546 01:28:49,055 --> 01:28:54,415 Speaker 8: if you've got any suggestions in regards to repairing old 1547 01:28:54,415 --> 01:28:56,855 Speaker 8: but internal gathering, I'd like to. 1548 01:28:57,615 --> 01:29:01,935 Speaker 5: Look like I don't think butte noll to the best 1549 01:29:01,975 --> 01:29:04,375 Speaker 5: of my knowledge, and I was involved in a sort 1550 01:29:04,375 --> 01:29:08,935 Speaker 5: of remedial work years ago where essentially, if it's holding water, 1551 01:29:09,375 --> 01:29:11,655 Speaker 5: that's it's not the right product to hold water right. 1552 01:29:11,695 --> 01:29:14,255 Speaker 5: So if you've got a situation where it's tanking right 1553 01:29:14,615 --> 01:29:17,815 Speaker 5: and holding water for a period of time, then that 1554 01:29:17,935 --> 01:29:20,215 Speaker 5: that's a bit of a problem. You're not inclined to 1555 01:29:20,215 --> 01:29:21,895 Speaker 5: sort of rip the whole thing out and start again. 1556 01:29:23,295 --> 01:29:27,215 Speaker 5: Ideally you want to avoid that data. Yeah, okay, ye 1557 01:29:28,695 --> 01:29:31,295 Speaker 5: have a look online. This is a product that was 1558 01:29:31,335 --> 01:29:33,535 Speaker 5: introduced to me a little while ago. I've used it 1559 01:29:33,615 --> 01:29:36,095 Speaker 5: to sort of extend the life of a flat roof. 1560 01:29:36,735 --> 01:29:39,935 Speaker 5: It's called in juris so e n d u r I. 1561 01:29:40,255 --> 01:29:44,375 Speaker 8: S E n d u R I s y and 1562 01:29:44,495 --> 01:29:46,055 Speaker 8: juris there. 1563 01:29:46,215 --> 01:29:48,295 Speaker 5: I think with the right type of primer or the 1564 01:29:48,375 --> 01:29:50,935 Speaker 5: right application, you can apply it over the top of 1565 01:29:51,055 --> 01:29:55,615 Speaker 5: utinyl and that will give you an additional layer of protection. 1566 01:29:55,855 --> 01:29:57,695 Speaker 5: So might be worth investigating. 1567 01:29:59,015 --> 01:30:03,055 Speaker 8: Okay, and juris there? And order Okay, I'll look about. 1568 01:30:03,575 --> 01:30:06,215 Speaker 5: But yeah, it'll be about the preparation to a make 1569 01:30:06,455 --> 01:30:09,535 Speaker 5: sure that it's cleaned, and you know it's It's always 1570 01:30:09,575 --> 01:30:10,655 Speaker 5: the preparation, isn't it. 1571 01:30:11,255 --> 01:30:14,015 Speaker 6: Yeah, yep, yeah, And reading the instructions. 1572 01:30:14,215 --> 01:30:16,895 Speaker 8: Yeah, because the button old pitch I put down, I've 1573 01:30:16,895 --> 01:30:19,895 Speaker 8: only put down over over the existing scene of the 1574 01:30:19,935 --> 01:30:21,855 Speaker 8: butte and O one only did it sort of ten 1575 01:30:21,895 --> 01:30:23,735 Speaker 8: twenty months on each side. And when you read the 1576 01:30:23,775 --> 01:30:25,495 Speaker 8: instruction that says you got to go at least two 1577 01:30:25,535 --> 01:30:26,375 Speaker 8: inches on each side. 1578 01:30:26,415 --> 01:30:27,975 Speaker 5: Oh mate, you got to read the instructions. 1579 01:30:28,735 --> 01:30:30,615 Speaker 8: Yeah, well then you go rooky mistake right. I'm leaving 1580 01:30:30,655 --> 01:30:31,095 Speaker 8: as they go. 1581 01:30:31,935 --> 01:30:34,495 Speaker 5: And that's nothing wrong with that. I appreciate the call. 1582 01:30:34,655 --> 01:30:36,455 Speaker 5: You take care all the best, bother. 1583 01:30:41,535 --> 01:30:43,175 Speaker 4: Doing other house sorting the garden. 1584 01:30:43,295 --> 01:30:46,975 Speaker 1: Lasked Feete for ahead the resident builder with peta Wolfcare 1585 01:30:47,095 --> 01:30:49,775 Speaker 1: Call eighty eight News Talk. 1586 01:30:50,815 --> 01:30:53,055 Speaker 5: Your News Talks b this morning. I wanted to take 1587 01:30:53,095 --> 01:30:56,295 Speaker 5: a moment to catch up with someone from the super 1588 01:30:56,335 --> 01:30:59,535 Speaker 5: home movement. So I got introduced to this idea. A 1589 01:30:59,615 --> 01:31:01,695 Speaker 5: number of years ago, I had the opportunity to travel 1590 01:31:01,775 --> 01:31:04,455 Speaker 5: down to christ Church and I went and had a 1591 01:31:04,455 --> 01:31:06,055 Speaker 5: look at a house that was on its way to 1592 01:31:06,095 --> 01:31:10,775 Speaker 5: the coming the first homestar ten house, so ten home 1593 01:31:10,815 --> 01:31:14,495 Speaker 5: star rating. It was built by guy. The architect was 1594 01:31:14,775 --> 01:31:18,335 Speaker 5: Bob Burnett, and then I noticed that he his name 1595 01:31:18,455 --> 01:31:20,735 Speaker 5: was sort of attached the super home movement. And then 1596 01:31:20,775 --> 01:31:23,575 Speaker 5: a couple of years ago, around the COVID time out 1597 01:31:23,655 --> 01:31:27,735 Speaker 5: came the super Home Guide, a Healthy Homes Guide, kind 1598 01:31:27,735 --> 01:31:32,055 Speaker 5: of an introduction to the principles behind building better than 1599 01:31:32,215 --> 01:31:36,135 Speaker 5: just the minimum building code. So it looked at insulation, 1600 01:31:36,175 --> 01:31:38,695 Speaker 5: looked at ventilation, it looked at detailing of where we 1601 01:31:38,735 --> 01:31:40,935 Speaker 5: should have our windows to line it up and so on. 1602 01:31:41,695 --> 01:31:45,135 Speaker 5: And I've been, to be blunt, I've been inspired by 1603 01:31:45,175 --> 01:31:48,095 Speaker 5: what they do and the information that's there. And the 1604 01:31:48,095 --> 01:31:51,855 Speaker 5: great news is they're celebrating ten years. So Dan Saunders, 1605 01:31:52,335 --> 01:31:55,415 Speaker 5: tell us about your involvement, Dan, welcome to the show. 1606 01:31:55,695 --> 01:31:57,975 Speaker 5: Tell us about your involvement with a super home movement. 1607 01:31:58,015 --> 01:32:00,855 Speaker 5: What attracted you to it because you're a chippy. 1608 01:32:00,535 --> 01:32:02,855 Speaker 8: Like me, right, Yes, it's right, moring Peter, how are 1609 01:32:02,895 --> 01:32:03,215 Speaker 8: you going? 1610 01:32:03,615 --> 01:32:03,775 Speaker 6: Were? 1611 01:32:04,575 --> 01:32:07,775 Speaker 17: But tully here and cross about zero degree fross. So 1612 01:32:08,295 --> 01:32:11,215 Speaker 17: it's more important to you know, build the way that 1613 01:32:11,255 --> 01:32:15,055 Speaker 17: we do. But so my involvement in the supero movement 1614 01:32:15,215 --> 01:32:20,135 Speaker 17: came around its inception in twenty fifteen where Bob Burnett 1615 01:32:20,215 --> 01:32:22,775 Speaker 17: he got ousted out of his house from the earthquakes 1616 01:32:22,855 --> 01:32:26,175 Speaker 17: and then went through a period of living in I 1617 01:32:26,175 --> 01:32:30,135 Speaker 17: guess a combination of bad new houses plus a lot 1618 01:32:30,135 --> 01:32:32,295 Speaker 17: of the older villas, you know, the one hundred year 1619 01:32:32,335 --> 01:32:35,855 Speaker 17: old villas, which that's where he ended up in before 1620 01:32:35,855 --> 01:32:38,455 Speaker 17: he moved back into his house. So his kids got 1621 01:32:38,735 --> 01:32:42,535 Speaker 17: developed asthma through the mold that was developing in these 1622 01:32:42,535 --> 01:32:45,655 Speaker 17: older houses. So that's where he thought all. 1623 01:32:45,575 --> 01:32:47,375 Speaker 8: These got there is obviously a better way, and the 1624 01:32:47,375 --> 01:32:50,895 Speaker 8: super home movement was founded in twenty fifteen with him 1625 01:32:50,895 --> 01:32:54,575 Speaker 8: and Martin Riley, and then we as a company were 1626 01:32:54,615 --> 01:32:54,975 Speaker 8: on that. 1627 01:32:57,215 --> 01:33:00,255 Speaker 17: On that road anyway doing getting very focused on energy, 1628 01:33:00,375 --> 01:33:03,375 Speaker 17: energy efficient homes. So we came across the super movement 1629 01:33:03,415 --> 01:33:05,735 Speaker 17: and joined up straight away and been part of the 1630 01:33:05,815 --> 01:33:10,655 Speaker 17: furniture ever since. So it became a charitable trust last 1631 01:33:10,735 --> 01:33:14,735 Speaker 17: year and then I became a trustee invited along to trustee, 1632 01:33:14,775 --> 01:33:16,175 Speaker 17: so that was quite exciting. 1633 01:33:16,655 --> 01:33:21,135 Speaker 5: So there's a really strong, obviously educational element to what 1634 01:33:21,175 --> 01:33:23,855 Speaker 5: the super home movement is about in terms of raising 1635 01:33:23,895 --> 01:33:27,815 Speaker 5: awareness around better building practice, introducing ideas of building science. 1636 01:33:29,255 --> 01:33:32,575 Speaker 5: Again for you, like you know, I talked to a 1637 01:33:32,575 --> 01:33:34,335 Speaker 5: lot of carpenters, a lot of chippe's, a lot of 1638 01:33:34,335 --> 01:33:37,135 Speaker 5: builders all the time. Some are interested, some aren't. What 1639 01:33:37,255 --> 01:33:39,895 Speaker 5: is it about you? Do you think that that drew 1640 01:33:39,935 --> 01:33:41,175 Speaker 5: you to the super home movement? 1641 01:33:41,855 --> 01:33:45,055 Speaker 17: Well, I think it's always about constant improvement. For me personally, 1642 01:33:45,095 --> 01:33:47,815 Speaker 17: I'm always wanting to do things better. The last house 1643 01:33:47,815 --> 01:33:50,855 Speaker 17: should be or the event the next house you build 1644 01:33:50,895 --> 01:33:52,855 Speaker 17: to be better than the last. Now that could be in 1645 01:33:53,055 --> 01:33:58,175 Speaker 17: different techniques or better products. There's always different, different new 1646 01:33:58,215 --> 01:34:00,775 Speaker 17: systems that are being talked about them. Of course, some 1647 01:34:00,775 --> 01:34:02,255 Speaker 17: of them have been around for so long as well, 1648 01:34:02,335 --> 01:34:04,615 Speaker 17: like we're about twenty years behind Europe as far as 1649 01:34:04,695 --> 01:34:08,455 Speaker 17: building systems and holistically designing your house as far as 1650 01:34:08,575 --> 01:34:12,575 Speaker 17: energy efficiency and things like that for health and well being. 1651 01:34:12,655 --> 01:34:16,295 Speaker 17: So there's always a constant improvement for us. So it 1652 01:34:16,495 --> 01:34:18,655 Speaker 17: was it was just it was a no brainer I 1653 01:34:18,655 --> 01:34:21,895 Speaker 17: mean the building code. There's a saying, a couple of 1654 01:34:21,935 --> 01:34:24,015 Speaker 17: sayings that we bounced around a lot. The building code 1655 01:34:24,055 --> 01:34:27,015 Speaker 17: is the worst house you're legally allowed to build, so 1656 01:34:27,055 --> 01:34:29,895 Speaker 17: it's a very very low target. We handed over a 1657 01:34:29,935 --> 01:34:32,415 Speaker 17: house in Geraldine, which is south of christ Church, sort 1658 01:34:32,415 --> 01:34:34,695 Speaker 17: of in the foothills of the Alps, and I was 1659 01:34:34,735 --> 01:34:36,815 Speaker 17: speaking to the clients when they were because they were 1660 01:34:36,895 --> 01:34:38,775 Speaker 17: leasing a five year old new house up here in 1661 01:34:38,815 --> 01:34:39,455 Speaker 17: christ Church. 1662 01:34:39,335 --> 01:34:40,375 Speaker 6: People moving down there. 1663 01:34:40,935 --> 01:34:44,695 Speaker 17: They basically said that one of the two bedrooms done 1664 01:34:44,695 --> 01:34:47,015 Speaker 17: the south end of the house, if they're not heated 1665 01:34:47,055 --> 01:34:50,535 Speaker 17: with a heater, they're uninhabitable, right, So, and that's a 1666 01:34:50,575 --> 01:34:53,815 Speaker 17: new house built of the current code. So it's just yeah, 1667 01:34:53,855 --> 01:34:55,375 Speaker 17: I don't know why we're still doing it, but I 1668 01:34:55,375 --> 01:34:58,175 Speaker 17: guess it comes down to affordability. But there are loads 1669 01:34:58,215 --> 01:35:02,335 Speaker 17: of ways to be able to have a good quality, 1670 01:35:02,375 --> 01:35:05,015 Speaker 17: healthy home with what and whilst building on a budget 1671 01:35:05,055 --> 01:35:05,335 Speaker 17: as well. 1672 01:35:05,775 --> 01:35:08,295 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean typically, I'm sure that a number of 1673 01:35:08,295 --> 01:35:10,815 Speaker 5: people listening to this is yeah, that's all well and good, 1674 01:35:10,815 --> 01:35:14,135 Speaker 5: but it's unaffordable, right, you know, it's too expensive to 1675 01:35:14,135 --> 01:35:17,215 Speaker 5: build good what's your response to that. 1676 01:35:18,175 --> 01:35:20,335 Speaker 17: Well, there's I guess people have got to look at 1677 01:35:20,375 --> 01:35:22,815 Speaker 17: it in a different mindset as well, because you know 1678 01:35:23,815 --> 01:35:25,175 Speaker 17: a lot of people when they're building a house to 1679 01:35:25,255 --> 01:35:27,335 Speaker 17: go right, I want to have my starting bench top. 1680 01:35:27,375 --> 01:35:29,215 Speaker 17: I want to have my fancy taps and my fancy 1681 01:35:29,255 --> 01:35:33,175 Speaker 17: timber vanities and things like that, whereas our focus is 1682 01:35:33,575 --> 01:35:35,815 Speaker 17: the thermal envelope, which is the stuff that you can't 1683 01:35:35,895 --> 01:35:38,415 Speaker 17: change later on. You can change update your kitchen, you 1684 01:35:38,415 --> 01:35:41,655 Speaker 17: can update your taps. Things that you can't change. What 1685 01:35:41,775 --> 01:35:44,935 Speaker 17: will become problematic once the house is built is obviously 1686 01:35:45,015 --> 01:35:50,295 Speaker 17: fully insulated foundation, high performance walls, high performance windows. Obviously 1687 01:35:50,455 --> 01:35:53,095 Speaker 17: you talk before about recessing them into the warm part 1688 01:35:53,095 --> 01:35:56,535 Speaker 17: of the wall ventilation systems, and that's very very important 1689 01:35:56,535 --> 01:35:58,255 Speaker 17: because you know, if you remember back in the days 1690 01:35:58,255 --> 01:36:01,535 Speaker 17: of the old prefab in the schools, you know there 1691 01:36:01,535 --> 01:36:03,535 Speaker 17: were every thirty kids in our classroom. We're in the 1692 01:36:03,535 --> 01:36:05,495 Speaker 17: middle of winter and all the windows are commensating. It's 1693 01:36:05,495 --> 01:36:10,215 Speaker 17: because we're breathing and breathing out on the carbon dioxide 1694 01:36:10,215 --> 01:36:13,615 Speaker 17: and it's just creating condensation. So having a balance of 1695 01:36:13,655 --> 01:36:17,175 Speaker 17: ventilation system is very very important. So it's a holistic 1696 01:36:17,215 --> 01:36:21,575 Speaker 17: approach to the house building process. And I think if 1697 01:36:21,615 --> 01:36:24,815 Speaker 17: you just become educated by looking at what we do 1698 01:36:24,855 --> 01:36:27,295 Speaker 17: at the Super Bowl movement, then you'll find some really 1699 01:36:27,295 --> 01:36:28,815 Speaker 17: good targets to aim for. 1700 01:36:29,975 --> 01:36:34,495 Speaker 5: In my observation too, is that I've been impressed, surprised, 1701 01:36:34,535 --> 01:36:37,855 Speaker 5: but delighted by the way in which the I guess 1702 01:36:37,895 --> 01:36:40,735 Speaker 5: the principles have been adopted by more and more people. 1703 01:36:40,815 --> 01:36:42,815 Speaker 5: And I'm thinking about sort of my own journey on this. 1704 01:36:42,935 --> 01:36:46,535 Speaker 5: So I don't know. Twelve thirteen years ago I did 1705 01:36:46,575 --> 01:36:48,655 Speaker 5: the Home Star course, you know, to be a Home 1706 01:36:48,695 --> 01:36:52,455 Speaker 5: Star practitioner, right, and the person presenting the course said, look, 1707 01:36:52,695 --> 01:36:54,215 Speaker 5: we've got this range. You can get up to a 1708 01:36:54,215 --> 01:36:56,215 Speaker 5: home Star ten house. He said, I don't think that 1709 01:36:56,255 --> 01:36:58,495 Speaker 5: we'll ever see one, lo and behold. A couple of 1710 01:36:58,615 --> 01:37:01,215 Speaker 5: years later, I'm down with Bob Burnett and christ Church 1711 01:37:01,255 --> 01:37:04,135 Speaker 5: looking at his build there and that got a ten 1712 01:37:04,175 --> 01:37:07,455 Speaker 5: star rated, you know, so we've we've moved from we 1713 01:37:07,495 --> 01:37:11,175 Speaker 5: don't think it's possible to it is possible to more 1714 01:37:11,215 --> 01:37:13,735 Speaker 5: and more people understanding what you were saying before, that 1715 01:37:13,775 --> 01:37:16,815 Speaker 5: the building code requirement will get you a sort of 1716 01:37:16,855 --> 01:37:19,295 Speaker 5: okay house, but it's not going to be great. 1717 01:37:19,735 --> 01:37:22,455 Speaker 17: So no, no, it's it's it's it's a crazy target 1718 01:37:22,495 --> 01:37:24,895 Speaker 17: to try and to try and aim for. I mean, 1719 01:37:25,135 --> 01:37:27,855 Speaker 17: Who've done several talks at you know, certain conferences and 1720 01:37:27,895 --> 01:37:32,215 Speaker 17: stuff like that, and I always go back to like Dublin, 1721 01:37:32,415 --> 01:37:35,135 Speaker 17: I think is the same the same latitude off the 1722 01:37:35,175 --> 01:37:39,935 Speaker 17: equator as the neediness and that is they've got double 1723 01:37:39,975 --> 01:37:40,735 Speaker 17: the code. 1724 01:37:40,615 --> 01:37:41,095 Speaker 8: That we have. 1725 01:37:41,375 --> 01:37:45,575 Speaker 17: So it's just there's no there's no reason why that 1726 01:37:45,615 --> 01:37:48,215 Speaker 17: we should be built aiming aiming solo. There are loads 1727 01:37:48,215 --> 01:37:49,375 Speaker 17: of ways to be able to do it, and like 1728 01:37:49,415 --> 01:37:52,255 Speaker 17: you just mentioned before, the Design Guide is a very 1729 01:37:52,615 --> 01:37:55,335 Speaker 17: informative tool, and we're working on the Renovation Guide as well, 1730 01:37:55,375 --> 01:37:57,095 Speaker 17: which is at the moment we should be launching at 1731 01:37:57,095 --> 01:37:59,655 Speaker 17: the end of the year, and that's aimed at obviously 1732 01:37:59,775 --> 01:38:04,775 Speaker 17: retro fitting right various various ages or eras of houses. 1733 01:38:04,815 --> 01:38:08,855 Speaker 17: You know, we've had villas and we've got you know, 1734 01:38:08,975 --> 01:38:11,495 Speaker 17: stucko modern contemporary, so the all it's different types of houses, 1735 01:38:11,655 --> 01:38:15,775 Speaker 17: all built very very similarly, but they have their different quirks. 1736 01:38:15,775 --> 01:38:17,895 Speaker 17: I suppose you can say to to to make it 1737 01:38:17,935 --> 01:38:20,375 Speaker 17: a to be able to renovate them properly. 1738 01:38:20,655 --> 01:38:22,775 Speaker 5: Yeah, And I mean, look there's a desperate need to 1739 01:38:22,815 --> 01:38:25,295 Speaker 5: do that. We've got a significant amount of our housing 1740 01:38:25,295 --> 01:38:29,255 Speaker 5: stock that's reasonably old, and much of it doesn't perform 1741 01:38:29,295 --> 01:38:31,455 Speaker 5: particularly well, and we've got lots of buildings that still 1742 01:38:31,455 --> 01:38:33,935 Speaker 5: don't have insulation and exterior walls. But if we're going 1743 01:38:33,975 --> 01:38:35,535 Speaker 5: to do that, we need to do it right. So 1744 01:38:35,655 --> 01:38:38,855 Speaker 5: getting the right information seems to be key to that 1745 01:38:39,015 --> 01:38:39,255 Speaker 5: for me. 1746 01:38:40,575 --> 01:38:43,455 Speaker 17: Yes, yes, I think so. And with you the latest 1747 01:38:43,535 --> 01:38:46,495 Speaker 17: round of upgrades to H one the building code, we've 1748 01:38:46,495 --> 01:38:50,495 Speaker 17: had more selling insulation and you know with the better 1749 01:38:50,495 --> 01:38:55,015 Speaker 17: performing or slightly better performing not quite with the windows. Yeah, 1750 01:38:55,055 --> 01:38:57,095 Speaker 17: you know, that's that's another you could we could sit 1751 01:38:57,135 --> 01:38:58,695 Speaker 17: here and talk about that for an for an hour 1752 01:38:58,695 --> 01:39:02,015 Speaker 17: at least anyway, But it is a good step, but 1753 01:39:02,135 --> 01:39:04,175 Speaker 17: it needs to be, as I said, a holistic approach. 1754 01:39:04,215 --> 01:39:07,135 Speaker 17: It can't just be put more insulation in the ceilings 1755 01:39:06,815 --> 01:39:12,695 Speaker 17: and make the you know, the family broken windows mandatory 1756 01:39:12,735 --> 01:39:15,055 Speaker 17: because where you put them in the wall, how they react, 1757 01:39:15,095 --> 01:39:18,975 Speaker 17: and each different clouding system affects totally how they work. 1758 01:39:19,455 --> 01:39:22,175 Speaker 17: So the windows that we use are imported from Europe, 1759 01:39:22,215 --> 01:39:26,295 Speaker 17: the triple glaze PBC and almost three times the our 1760 01:39:26,455 --> 01:39:29,015 Speaker 17: value of the locally made ones, and we can land 1761 01:39:29,055 --> 01:39:33,015 Speaker 17: those at quite an affordable price. And so there's things 1762 01:39:33,055 --> 01:39:36,575 Speaker 17: if you just look outside the box of what's available, 1763 01:39:36,615 --> 01:39:39,255 Speaker 17: and you should be able to find, you know, good 1764 01:39:39,255 --> 01:39:42,175 Speaker 17: products and good people that apply those products as well. 1765 01:39:42,295 --> 01:39:44,215 Speaker 5: So are you finding that you're getting clients who are 1766 01:39:44,255 --> 01:39:46,615 Speaker 5: coming to you going, actually, what I want is more 1767 01:39:46,655 --> 01:39:49,695 Speaker 5: than building code, right, I want I want a better house. 1768 01:39:49,775 --> 01:39:52,335 Speaker 5: And are you seeing a growing awareness, let's say, from 1769 01:39:52,375 --> 01:39:57,015 Speaker 5: the consumer base, right, so the end user is asking 1770 01:39:57,535 --> 01:39:59,695 Speaker 5: better questions and wanting a better. 1771 01:39:59,495 --> 01:40:03,015 Speaker 17: House one hundred percent. I go back to if you recall, 1772 01:40:03,175 --> 01:40:04,855 Speaker 17: I know, if you came on one of the superhome tours, 1773 01:40:04,855 --> 01:40:07,495 Speaker 17: but we do those every year. Has sort of stopped 1774 01:40:07,495 --> 01:40:10,735 Speaker 17: around COVID time, but we have open open days where 1775 01:40:10,735 --> 01:40:13,775 Speaker 17: we open up houses a high performance home super homes 1776 01:40:13,775 --> 01:40:16,055 Speaker 17: to the public where they can look and feel and 1777 01:40:16,215 --> 01:40:18,015 Speaker 17: understand the why of what we do. Back in the 1778 01:40:18,055 --> 01:40:22,375 Speaker 17: early days in twenty fifteen sixteen, people are very nosy, right, 1779 01:40:22,415 --> 01:40:24,335 Speaker 17: so they come and they go, oh, what's this curtains 1780 01:40:24,375 --> 01:40:27,295 Speaker 17: or what's this flooring? But they weren't asking the right questions. 1781 01:40:27,295 --> 01:40:29,375 Speaker 17: But what we find now and the two is that 1782 01:40:29,415 --> 01:40:32,655 Speaker 17: people are coming, they are educated, they know what they want, 1783 01:40:33,455 --> 01:40:36,415 Speaker 17: and that's the exciting part about it. We find that, 1784 01:40:36,575 --> 01:40:38,615 Speaker 17: like as for a building company, I've drawn a line 1785 01:40:38,615 --> 01:40:40,095 Speaker 17: in the sand as I won't if someone asked me 1786 01:40:40,135 --> 01:40:43,295 Speaker 17: to build a codeminum house, I either won't do it, 1787 01:40:43,815 --> 01:40:46,415 Speaker 17: or I'll encourage them to say here as to some 1788 01:40:46,535 --> 01:40:48,135 Speaker 17: things you can do to fit your budget to make 1789 01:40:48,175 --> 01:40:51,015 Speaker 17: it a better performing home than the building code. So 1790 01:40:51,695 --> 01:40:55,855 Speaker 17: we find that the education and people are thirsty for knowledge, 1791 01:40:55,855 --> 01:40:59,255 Speaker 17: so they are getting more inquiries. But I think probably, 1792 01:40:59,295 --> 01:41:01,695 Speaker 17: you know, still a niche market. The idea of the 1793 01:41:01,695 --> 01:41:04,055 Speaker 17: super home movement is in my viewers in ten years 1794 01:41:04,095 --> 01:41:06,815 Speaker 17: time that we're not around. We don't have to be here. 1795 01:41:06,855 --> 01:41:10,215 Speaker 17: It's legislated that that the government is saying, right, oh, 1796 01:41:10,255 --> 01:41:14,295 Speaker 17: we understand what needs to happen, and this is how 1797 01:41:14,295 --> 01:41:15,815 Speaker 17: it's legislated. I know you're going to get a lot 1798 01:41:15,815 --> 01:41:19,055 Speaker 17: of pushback on group housing companies or the people doing 1799 01:41:19,095 --> 01:41:21,335 Speaker 17: the you know where they're trying to build them affordably, 1800 01:41:21,375 --> 01:41:24,495 Speaker 17: which I understand. But there's that line in the sand 1801 01:41:24,575 --> 01:41:27,295 Speaker 17: of what's what's your legacy, What's what do you leave 1802 01:41:27,295 --> 01:41:29,695 Speaker 17: in the next the next generation? And that's one of 1803 01:41:29,735 --> 01:41:31,255 Speaker 17: the things that are very very important to us. 1804 01:41:31,575 --> 01:41:33,455 Speaker 5: How do people find out more? Where do they go? 1805 01:41:34,375 --> 01:41:37,855 Speaker 17: So the website for the super Hoomers is dubbub dub up, 1806 01:41:37,895 --> 01:41:41,055 Speaker 17: superhome dot co dot in z and there is a 1807 01:41:41,095 --> 01:41:45,935 Speaker 17: whole group of suppliers, designers, builders that are on there. 1808 01:41:46,255 --> 01:41:48,255 Speaker 17: It's a very open source, so we you know, you 1809 01:41:48,255 --> 01:41:50,735 Speaker 17: could say like we're holding on to people will hold 1810 01:41:50,775 --> 01:41:53,495 Speaker 17: onto their trade secrets, but it's not about that for us. 1811 01:41:53,535 --> 01:41:56,695 Speaker 17: We want to get as much information out there for 1812 01:41:56,735 --> 01:41:58,615 Speaker 17: everybody to be able to learn. And that's across the 1813 01:41:58,615 --> 01:42:01,175 Speaker 17: board for like I say, clients, designers, we can't build 1814 01:42:01,175 --> 01:42:05,255 Speaker 17: all the houses. So if everyone can put their put 1815 01:42:05,255 --> 01:42:08,535 Speaker 17: their best foot forward and yes and help because that's 1816 01:42:08,575 --> 01:42:09,055 Speaker 17: what we need. 1817 01:42:09,295 --> 01:42:12,855 Speaker 5: Share the knowledge and the renovation guide you reckon. 1818 01:42:12,895 --> 01:42:14,895 Speaker 17: By the end of the year, yeah, I hope we're 1819 01:42:14,935 --> 01:42:17,215 Speaker 17: just putting some final touches on that so that gives 1820 01:42:17,295 --> 01:42:20,695 Speaker 17: us a good range of techniques for people how to 1821 01:42:21,095 --> 01:42:23,055 Speaker 17: depending on. Again, it comes down to budget, so you 1822 01:42:23,055 --> 01:42:27,015 Speaker 17: can go deep renovations or just even improving your windows. 1823 01:42:28,015 --> 01:42:28,735 Speaker 8: Things like that. 1824 01:42:29,015 --> 01:42:33,455 Speaker 5: Fabulous check it out online, folks, it really is. It's inspirational. 1825 01:42:33,535 --> 01:42:35,655 Speaker 5: Thanks Dan and to all of you who are part 1826 01:42:35,695 --> 01:42:38,215 Speaker 5: of the movement. Really appreciate it. And I will try 1827 01:42:38,255 --> 01:42:40,495 Speaker 5: and get down for one of those super home tours 1828 01:42:40,495 --> 01:42:41,215 Speaker 5: a just a. 1829 01:42:41,215 --> 01:42:43,535 Speaker 17: Real quick one through. So we were evolving from but 1830 01:42:43,695 --> 01:42:46,055 Speaker 17: you mentioned about the ten star home yes back in 1831 01:42:46,055 --> 01:42:48,895 Speaker 17: twenty fifteen. So the next evolution for us now or 1832 01:42:49,015 --> 01:42:53,335 Speaker 17: for Bob is a development that he's doing where the house, 1833 01:42:53,375 --> 01:42:55,215 Speaker 17: the last house he was living in before moving back 1834 01:42:55,255 --> 01:42:58,335 Speaker 17: into his repaired home, there was a one hundred year 1835 01:42:58,375 --> 01:43:01,895 Speaker 17: old villa which was moved off site and we're building 1836 01:43:02,215 --> 01:43:07,215 Speaker 17: for town separate townhouses where they're not shoehorned in, so 1837 01:43:07,295 --> 01:43:10,615 Speaker 17: people are going to get good sunlight and good areas 1838 01:43:10,655 --> 01:43:12,935 Speaker 17: to live. So the front house will be the first 1839 01:43:13,135 --> 01:43:17,735 Speaker 17: zero carbon super home in New Zealand. So that's the 1840 01:43:17,975 --> 01:43:19,175 Speaker 17: that's the next evolution. 1841 01:43:19,215 --> 01:43:20,895 Speaker 5: I guess you can say, sounds like I should book 1842 01:43:20,975 --> 01:43:21,815 Speaker 5: take it and come on down. 1843 01:43:21,895 --> 01:43:22,455 Speaker 17: I think you should. 1844 01:43:23,215 --> 01:43:24,535 Speaker 4: I'll give that and Hea, we lucky. 1845 01:43:24,455 --> 01:43:27,375 Speaker 5: Look forward to it. Dan, thanks very much. Dan Sawnend 1846 01:43:27,495 --> 01:43:30,775 Speaker 5: is a builder, a carpenter like me, but also really 1847 01:43:30,815 --> 01:43:33,015 Speaker 5: passionate about the super home movement. Great to heavy on 1848 01:43:33,015 --> 01:43:35,615 Speaker 5: the show this morning Radio. Let's jump into the garden. 1849 01:43:35,655 --> 01:43:38,455 Speaker 5: Redclimb past is here. Let's rip into it. 1850 01:43:40,095 --> 01:43:43,015 Speaker 1: Whether you're painting the ceiling, fixing the fence, or wondering 1851 01:43:43,055 --> 01:43:45,095 Speaker 1: how to fix that Hole in the Wall. Give Peter 1852 01:43:45,215 --> 01:43:49,455 Speaker 1: wolf Caamp a call on eighty The Resident Builder on 1853 01:43:49,575 --> 01:43:54,255 Speaker 1: Newstalgs EDB. For more from The Resident Builder with Peter Wolfcamp, 1854 01:43:54,375 --> 01:43:57,575 Speaker 1: listen live to Newstalgs EDB on Sunday Mornings from Sex, 1855 01:43:57,855 --> 01:43:59,935 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio