1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,547 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,787 Speaker 1: from News talks'd be. 3 00:00:12,587 --> 00:00:14,547 Speaker 2: It's coming up. There's only one thing worse than a 4 00:00:14,547 --> 00:00:18,547 Speaker 2: wounded All Black, and that is a wounded Springbok. Watch 5 00:00:18,667 --> 00:00:22,107 Speaker 2: this space, says Greg. Had you given any consideration to 6 00:00:22,187 --> 00:00:25,307 Speaker 2: a wounded Springbok James Macony. 7 00:00:25,547 --> 00:00:29,507 Speaker 3: Well, half of them were wounded, especially their back line, 8 00:00:29,547 --> 00:00:33,267 Speaker 3: So they'll be they'll be back and we'll add some 9 00:00:33,307 --> 00:00:35,187 Speaker 3: impetus if they can get back in time. 10 00:00:35,347 --> 00:00:38,027 Speaker 2: How are you, Poney, I'm great, I'm great, James. It's 11 00:00:38,067 --> 00:00:40,827 Speaker 2: been a really busy old sporting weekend with you know, 12 00:00:40,867 --> 00:00:42,987 Speaker 2: trying to keep my eyes in all of these different places. 13 00:00:43,187 --> 00:00:44,827 Speaker 2: Can we start with the Wallabies that this is a 14 00:00:44,827 --> 00:00:46,867 Speaker 2: good thing, isn't it. The Wallaby's going to Alis Park 15 00:00:46,907 --> 00:00:47,347 Speaker 2: and winning. 16 00:00:48,147 --> 00:00:50,867 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it proves that, look, they are legit on 17 00:00:50,907 --> 00:00:52,827 Speaker 3: their day. It proves that if you get a roll 18 00:00:52,867 --> 00:00:56,107 Speaker 3: on at that level in some momentum and things clerk, 19 00:00:56,187 --> 00:00:59,387 Speaker 3: all these top teams can score you know, four or 20 00:00:59,427 --> 00:01:02,347 Speaker 3: five or in the Wallabyes case, six tries in a row. 21 00:01:02,467 --> 00:01:05,507 Speaker 3: So there's two things about this game that stood out 22 00:01:05,547 --> 00:01:08,867 Speaker 3: for me. I think the Wallabies actually have sneaky Depp. 23 00:01:09,107 --> 00:01:11,787 Speaker 3: You know, the bench is quite good, especially in the 24 00:01:11,787 --> 00:01:16,147 Speaker 3: front row and the Spells A Nongore, Brendan paying A Morsa. 25 00:01:16,747 --> 00:01:18,427 Speaker 3: You know, they've got their own set of version of 26 00:01:18,467 --> 00:01:22,187 Speaker 3: the bomb squad and I think they've got a couple 27 00:01:22,227 --> 00:01:24,067 Speaker 3: of injuries. When they come back they'll be stronger. And 28 00:01:24,107 --> 00:01:26,827 Speaker 3: the Lousies as well, although I like Gleason as well, 29 00:01:26,867 --> 00:01:29,907 Speaker 3: and also Tate McDermott. He would start, I think as 30 00:01:29,987 --> 00:01:32,787 Speaker 3: halfback in most countries and I think he'd make the 31 00:01:32,787 --> 00:01:34,347 Speaker 3: All Blacks. Tate mc dermott. 32 00:01:34,587 --> 00:01:36,627 Speaker 2: You think Tate McDermott would make the All Blacks? 33 00:01:36,947 --> 00:01:39,787 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think currently I think so, Yes, I 34 00:01:39,787 --> 00:01:42,427 Speaker 3: think you would so. I mean, you know, the Reds 35 00:01:42,427 --> 00:01:44,267 Speaker 3: half back, he's been really good all year and I 36 00:01:44,267 --> 00:01:47,227 Speaker 3: thought he would start, but you know, he's been really 37 00:01:47,267 --> 00:01:50,667 Speaker 3: good off the bench for them and was again yesterday. 38 00:01:50,667 --> 00:01:53,667 Speaker 3: But South Africa, weirdly, this is a strange thing for 39 00:01:54,067 --> 00:01:56,907 Speaker 3: a nation that's a real rugby nation. I think they 40 00:01:57,067 --> 00:01:59,507 Speaker 3: don't have that much depth. I think you saw it 41 00:01:59,627 --> 00:02:02,387 Speaker 3: last year when Malcolm Marx got injured and they bought 42 00:02:02,427 --> 00:02:04,907 Speaker 3: in a hooker who was about thirty five years old. 43 00:02:04,947 --> 00:02:08,867 Speaker 3: You know, like they didn't really have a natural successor 44 00:02:08,947 --> 00:02:11,387 Speaker 3: and then missing five starters in their back line. Fout 45 00:02:11,427 --> 00:02:15,307 Speaker 3: to Clerk, Andre Pollard, the Landi Chas and Kolby, Willie LaRue. 46 00:02:15,467 --> 00:02:17,907 Speaker 3: The is are all World Cup win is right, double 47 00:02:17,907 --> 00:02:22,707 Speaker 3: World Cup winners in most cases, so possibly actually in 48 00:02:22,747 --> 00:02:27,027 Speaker 3: all cases. Yes, So look that they were not at 49 00:02:27,027 --> 00:02:30,587 Speaker 3: their best, but it is an incredible comeback all the same. 50 00:02:30,827 --> 00:02:34,227 Speaker 2: Ohsolutely. When you score thirty eight un answered points anywhere 51 00:02:34,307 --> 00:02:37,307 Speaker 2: to win a game having been twenty odd down, that's amazing. 52 00:02:37,347 --> 00:02:41,387 Speaker 2: But at Ellis Park, at that cauldron, incredible, yeah, and 53 00:02:41,427 --> 00:02:43,427 Speaker 2: it's yeah, it was great. 54 00:02:43,667 --> 00:02:46,147 Speaker 3: Well, well I think the one thing as well that 55 00:02:46,267 --> 00:02:48,787 Speaker 3: a number eight and captain Harry Wilson scoring two tries. 56 00:02:49,107 --> 00:02:52,507 Speaker 3: He is a talented Test player. He's a bona FID star. 57 00:02:52,987 --> 00:02:55,907 Speaker 3: It shows how clueless Eddie Jones was in that World 58 00:02:55,907 --> 00:02:59,307 Speaker 3: Cup year dropping him. So you know he's back to 59 00:02:59,347 --> 00:03:02,707 Speaker 3: some form. There's some faith, you know from the selectors 60 00:03:02,707 --> 00:03:05,547 Speaker 3: and Joe Schmidt, and shout out to Joe Schmidt. I mean, 61 00:03:05,587 --> 00:03:08,347 Speaker 3: look he is he's kind of like his own he's 62 00:03:08,387 --> 00:03:11,427 Speaker 3: a professor as well, isn't he in his own right? Yeah? 63 00:03:11,667 --> 00:03:13,787 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm pleased for him too, because he seems like 64 00:03:13,827 --> 00:03:16,307 Speaker 2: a decent blow, doesn't he. I mean, David Campese has 65 00:03:16,347 --> 00:03:19,627 Speaker 2: been giving him absolute rings ever since he got that job. 66 00:03:20,387 --> 00:03:23,507 Speaker 2: I just and I'm sure Josement doesn't care what David 67 00:03:23,507 --> 00:03:26,187 Speaker 2: Campezi thinks. But I was, Yeah, I was really pleased 68 00:03:26,227 --> 00:03:26,667 Speaker 2: with Josement. 69 00:03:28,667 --> 00:03:30,547 Speaker 3: I mean, Campo is just rent to quote. All the 70 00:03:30,587 --> 00:03:33,627 Speaker 3: media know to go to him, and so that's that's 71 00:03:33,627 --> 00:03:35,427 Speaker 3: all they do. If they want to get someone to win, 72 00:03:35,667 --> 00:03:37,947 Speaker 3: you go to Campo. And I think he's a little 73 00:03:37,987 --> 00:03:40,667 Speaker 3: bit out of touch. He's a genius player, but I think, 74 00:03:40,707 --> 00:03:43,987 Speaker 3: you know, Rugby's kind of moved on from from his day, 75 00:03:44,107 --> 00:03:46,667 Speaker 3: so he needs to He needs to upskill like we 76 00:03:46,707 --> 00:03:48,547 Speaker 3: all do, Poney sometimes. 77 00:03:48,147 --> 00:03:50,507 Speaker 2: You know we do. We've got to try different things, 78 00:03:50,507 --> 00:03:53,827 Speaker 2: get across different platforms, be flexible exactly as you've done. 79 00:03:53,907 --> 00:03:57,387 Speaker 2: You know, you've you've you've evolved as a broadcast. I 80 00:03:57,507 --> 00:03:59,787 Speaker 2: used to read you in the Sunday Star Times. Altho, 81 00:03:59,867 --> 00:04:02,347 Speaker 2: that guy's got a bit about him and you've diversified 82 00:04:02,387 --> 00:04:03,627 Speaker 2: into all platforms. 83 00:04:04,387 --> 00:04:06,867 Speaker 3: It's called desperation and I'm all, I'm here for it. 84 00:04:06,867 --> 00:04:11,467 Speaker 2: Mate, Like it's like looking in a mirror, What did 85 00:04:11,467 --> 00:04:13,947 Speaker 2: you like of the all blacks, Well. 86 00:04:13,987 --> 00:04:17,067 Speaker 3: I thought maybe just focus on on a couple of things. 87 00:04:17,107 --> 00:04:20,187 Speaker 3: One is, I thought Duplessy kit If he was really 88 00:04:20,187 --> 00:04:24,067 Speaker 3: good and probably didn't get enough claudits well enough enough 89 00:04:24,227 --> 00:04:26,827 Speaker 3: kind of the rubber the green from the ref. I mean, 90 00:04:26,867 --> 00:04:28,587 Speaker 3: the reef was calling him off a couple of times, 91 00:04:28,587 --> 00:04:30,187 Speaker 3: and I thought, oh no, he was in a really 92 00:04:30,187 --> 00:04:32,467 Speaker 3: good position there. But the thing is he is so 93 00:04:32,587 --> 00:04:35,707 Speaker 3: quick on the turnover that that refs almost get shocked 94 00:04:35,947 --> 00:04:39,227 Speaker 3: that you know he's right there. But wearing that fabled 95 00:04:39,267 --> 00:04:43,267 Speaker 3: number seven jersey, that is an absolute pressure cooker situation. 96 00:04:43,467 --> 00:04:46,947 Speaker 3: I mean, look for forty years, it's basically gone Michael Jones, 97 00:04:47,027 --> 00:04:50,427 Speaker 3: Josh Cromfeld, Richie mccau, Sam Caine, and that's pretty much it. 98 00:04:50,987 --> 00:04:53,587 Speaker 3: You know, it's like the number ten jersey for Argentina, 99 00:04:53,787 --> 00:04:57,427 Speaker 3: you know, like it's just so tough. And I thought 100 00:04:57,547 --> 00:05:00,707 Speaker 3: Duplessy Kitdif he was really good. Did you think that 101 00:05:00,827 --> 00:05:01,267 Speaker 3: I did too? 102 00:05:01,547 --> 00:05:03,907 Speaker 2: Yeah, And just on the refereeing thing too, because I 103 00:05:03,947 --> 00:05:06,107 Speaker 2: think he used to be a penalty magnet, right, But 104 00:05:06,107 --> 00:05:08,267 Speaker 2: I think I think New Zealand referees and Super rugby 105 00:05:08,307 --> 00:05:11,987 Speaker 2: referees have worked out that he is able to do 106 00:05:12,067 --> 00:05:16,267 Speaker 2: the things that seem you know, unlikely, and I just 107 00:05:16,307 --> 00:05:18,747 Speaker 2: wonder whether the international referees have to work the same 108 00:05:18,787 --> 00:05:19,227 Speaker 2: thing out. 109 00:05:20,147 --> 00:05:23,347 Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, I think that's the thing. Duplacy codif is 110 00:05:23,387 --> 00:05:26,107 Speaker 3: like that. You know, it's probably a Quackersmith's similar build. 111 00:05:26,427 --> 00:05:28,867 Speaker 3: He gets in there and those little crevices. He's not huge, 112 00:05:28,907 --> 00:05:30,907 Speaker 3: as we know. But I think it's good that we've 113 00:05:30,907 --> 00:05:33,267 Speaker 3: ignored what has been in the past a bit of 114 00:05:33,267 --> 00:05:35,667 Speaker 3: a sort of height restriction like a roller coaster ride. 115 00:05:36,107 --> 00:05:37,627 Speaker 3: You know, you need to be this tool to play 116 00:05:37,747 --> 00:05:39,787 Speaker 3: number seven for the All Blacks. Drove that out in 117 00:05:39,827 --> 00:05:42,347 Speaker 3: the window. You're just going to think about David Pocock, 118 00:05:42,427 --> 00:05:46,707 Speaker 3: George Smith, all the ones, stumpy little sevens around the world, 119 00:05:46,987 --> 00:05:52,747 Speaker 3: Neil Back, whoever you want. Duplicitif is excellent. And just 120 00:05:52,787 --> 00:05:55,587 Speaker 3: a word about Will Jordan. Look, we talk about him 121 00:05:55,587 --> 00:05:58,227 Speaker 3: so often, we need to actually accept he is the 122 00:05:58,267 --> 00:06:01,187 Speaker 3: superstar on the team currently and I don't want to 123 00:06:01,227 --> 00:06:04,947 Speaker 3: see him move from fallback to help with you know, 124 00:06:05,027 --> 00:06:08,587 Speaker 3: covering certain positions are of their injuries. He needs to 125 00:06:08,587 --> 00:06:10,947 Speaker 3: stay there and we need to build the team around him. 126 00:06:11,147 --> 00:06:13,267 Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree with that. I totally agree. I 127 00:06:13,307 --> 00:06:15,587 Speaker 2: think there is a still of conversation to be had 128 00:06:15,907 --> 00:06:18,987 Speaker 2: around eleven and fourteen. But I'm the same as you. 129 00:06:19,107 --> 00:06:21,707 Speaker 2: I want Will Jordan wearing fifteen every time he plays. 130 00:06:22,027 --> 00:06:23,747 Speaker 2: I totally agree. I totally agree. 131 00:06:25,387 --> 00:06:27,707 Speaker 3: Oh sorry, we're getting Richie Warner back, We're getting you know, 132 00:06:27,787 --> 00:06:31,067 Speaker 3: leicster Phone in neuture. There are reinforcements. 133 00:06:30,347 --> 00:06:32,987 Speaker 2: Coming absolutely just before we move from the rugby too. 134 00:06:33,147 --> 00:06:34,827 Speaker 2: A couple of Texas have made the point that Mike 135 00:06:34,907 --> 00:06:37,587 Speaker 2: cron has also been involved over there, and we know 136 00:06:37,667 --> 00:06:40,987 Speaker 2: what an effective coach he is with forwards, so yeah, 137 00:06:40,987 --> 00:06:43,387 Speaker 2: he has to also be given some plauters. Hey, the 138 00:06:43,387 --> 00:06:46,827 Speaker 2: Premier Leagu's underway again. My Liverpool had to win yesterday 139 00:06:47,507 --> 00:06:50,147 Speaker 2: against Bournemouth. Alex Paulson wasn't in the match day squad. 140 00:06:50,587 --> 00:06:53,627 Speaker 2: Chris Wood's going to have his first game for Forrest tomorrow. 141 00:06:53,627 --> 00:06:55,427 Speaker 2: Are you excited about the Premier League being. 142 00:06:55,347 --> 00:06:58,387 Speaker 3: Back, Tony? You know, I'm excited, and I actually don't 143 00:06:58,427 --> 00:07:01,787 Speaker 3: have a dog in the fight because as a youngster 144 00:07:01,867 --> 00:07:03,907 Speaker 3: I supported Arsenal then all the players left and then 145 00:07:03,947 --> 00:07:06,307 Speaker 3: I sort of thought, well, it's quite tricky. I didn't 146 00:07:06,347 --> 00:07:08,707 Speaker 3: I want my emotions to be ruled by a team 147 00:07:08,827 --> 00:07:11,987 Speaker 3: you know, so May twelve thousand miles away or whatever. 148 00:07:12,307 --> 00:07:14,267 Speaker 3: So I just went, you know what, I'm just going 149 00:07:14,347 --> 00:07:17,467 Speaker 3: to enjoy the Premier League and look, I'm happy for 150 00:07:17,907 --> 00:07:20,587 Speaker 3: with what Liverpool did last year. I think Chelsea will 151 00:07:20,587 --> 00:07:25,067 Speaker 3: be attending to watch this year. But I was watching 152 00:07:25,147 --> 00:07:28,547 Speaker 3: that Liverpool game and really I was wanting to see 153 00:07:28,547 --> 00:07:31,547 Speaker 3: whether the Bournemouth goalie was better than Alex Paulson. And 154 00:07:31,627 --> 00:07:33,827 Speaker 3: he conceded four goals in the end, but it was 155 00:07:33,947 --> 00:07:39,187 Speaker 3: very close until your new signing, Federico Kieza from Italy 156 00:07:39,307 --> 00:07:43,267 Speaker 3: came on and scored the go ahead goal. Now this guy, 157 00:07:43,387 --> 00:07:45,827 Speaker 3: he's not Barjio, he's not del Pierre, he's not even Totty, 158 00:07:45,947 --> 00:07:49,227 Speaker 3: but in recent years he's been in Italy's main creative 159 00:07:49,267 --> 00:07:52,627 Speaker 3: player and crucial when Italy won Hero twenty twenty one. 160 00:07:52,667 --> 00:07:55,187 Speaker 3: So at twenty seven years old, Piney, he's a very 161 00:07:55,227 --> 00:07:58,307 Speaker 3: good signing and what a way to become an anfield hero. 162 00:07:58,827 --> 00:08:01,667 Speaker 2: Absolutely right, yep, totally right. I don't know what the 163 00:08:01,707 --> 00:08:05,867 Speaker 2: future holds, sorry, the short term future holds for Alex Paulson. 164 00:08:05,907 --> 00:08:07,867 Speaker 2: But what I do who knows that? As the players 165 00:08:07,867 --> 00:08:10,907 Speaker 2: need to be playing and you can't be third choice goalkeeper. 166 00:08:10,987 --> 00:08:13,707 Speaker 2: I know injuries happen, but yeah, you can't just be 167 00:08:13,787 --> 00:08:16,547 Speaker 2: sitting on the bench and so I hope that they 168 00:08:16,587 --> 00:08:19,027 Speaker 2: find a way of either. You know, look, I don't 169 00:08:19,067 --> 00:08:21,987 Speaker 2: suspect that Alex Paulson is ready to be the number 170 00:08:22,027 --> 00:08:25,707 Speaker 2: one goalkeeper had born with yet, but he will one day. 171 00:08:25,747 --> 00:08:27,707 Speaker 2: But he needs to play as often as he can 172 00:08:27,747 --> 00:08:29,347 Speaker 2: and it's probably going to be somewhere else at the 173 00:08:29,347 --> 00:08:31,587 Speaker 2: moment on loan, you know, not back at Auckland FC. 174 00:08:31,627 --> 00:08:32,147 Speaker 2: I wouldn't have. 175 00:08:32,147 --> 00:08:36,027 Speaker 3: Mentioned no, no a. There was one other thing. I 176 00:08:36,027 --> 00:08:38,147 Speaker 3: don't know. If we've got time, we've got time pining. Yeah, 177 00:08:38,307 --> 00:08:41,547 Speaker 3: well we'll go on to qualification yep for the Comwealth Games. 178 00:08:41,707 --> 00:08:45,827 Speaker 3: I'm a bit concerned about the athletics qualification standards for 179 00:08:45,907 --> 00:08:49,587 Speaker 3: Glasgow next year. And look they are really tough, but 180 00:08:49,627 --> 00:08:51,947 Speaker 3: don't worry. How big stars will be fine, Hamosh Cure, 181 00:08:51,987 --> 00:08:54,827 Speaker 3: Tom Walsh made wish you know, they'll be sweet. Zoey 182 00:08:54,907 --> 00:08:58,547 Speaker 3: Hoggs should be okay, but the qualifying standard for her 183 00:08:58,627 --> 00:09:01,147 Speaker 3: is eleven seconds, which he's gone under a couple of times. 184 00:09:01,187 --> 00:09:03,987 Speaker 3: But I mean this is the men's qualifying for one 185 00:09:04,027 --> 00:09:07,147 Speaker 3: hundred meters as ten flats and squares. 186 00:09:07,227 --> 00:09:11,947 Speaker 2: Ten flags for the hurds, japers. 187 00:09:11,467 --> 00:09:14,547 Speaker 3: For one hundred, the A qualifying and even the BE 188 00:09:14,707 --> 00:09:17,787 Speaker 3: qualifying as ten point hine five. So Tiane Wilkson, who's 189 00:09:17,827 --> 00:09:20,947 Speaker 3: been his run ten point ten? I mean he's not 190 00:09:20,987 --> 00:09:23,307 Speaker 3: going to make the Conwealth Games under these standards, so 191 00:09:23,507 --> 00:09:24,627 Speaker 3: it is tough. 192 00:09:25,187 --> 00:09:28,347 Speaker 2: It is tough. Yeah, yeah, been a move, James. I 193 00:09:28,347 --> 00:09:30,107 Speaker 2: want to talk. We should talk about that another day 194 00:09:30,107 --> 00:09:32,547 Speaker 2: because I have run out of time. Always great to 195 00:09:32,547 --> 00:09:35,467 Speaker 2: tell thanks indeed, Jas McCarty big part of our Sundays. 196 00:09:35,827 --> 00:09:39,027 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live 197 00:09:39,147 --> 00:09:42,067 Speaker 1: to News Talk said B weekends from mid day, or 198 00:09:42,147 --> 00:09:44,027 Speaker 1: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio