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Speaker 1: the second season of Double Park, which is out now.

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Speaker 1: She has the second season of her award winning podcast

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Speaker 1: out very soon What Matters Most, and also I am

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Speaker 1: told three other television shows in development. So Antonia Prebble

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Speaker 2: You morning, Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Do you know Craig Parker? I do, right, So we

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Speaker 1: had Craig Parker on the other day and he was

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Speaker 1: running the same line that you are with the secret

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Speaker 2: It's a good line, could mean.

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Speaker 1: Anything, and he gave nothing away. So can you give

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I'll give you more than Craig Parker.

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Speaker 3: There you go about that. There you go.

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Speaker 1: So these projects are these real projects that are going

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Speaker 2: Look, we really hope.

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Speaker 4: So so my husband Dan Musgrove is a writer by trade.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he's also an actor, but he almost exclusively writes.

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Speaker 4: but yeah, look, I can tell you we've got a few.

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Speaker 2: It's strange how we've said to be focusing on that.

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Speaker 4: But one is about, yeah, a mother who's not coping

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Speaker 1: So do you set aside time with your husband to

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Speaker 3: What are the metrics? Do you look at the metrics?

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Speaker 3: If she just so it's going really well.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, she just says nice things like that, keep doing

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Speaker 4: what you're doing, gals. For me, I'm less concerned with that,

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Speaker 1: Can I just say, as a seasoned professional in this industry,

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Speaker 1: but that ratio of prep to delivery is very rare.

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Speaker 1: What you're good on you for working hard, because what

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Speaker 1: you'll find is if you work hard, you get the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that is interesting because Yeah, even though I'm taking

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Speaker 2: Experience to it. So thanks very interasting, Thanks my season.

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Speaker 3: Take the advice or not. One last question? Is that

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Speaker 3: What does it work?

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Speaker 3: Does it read anything?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? It reads things, but I sometimes wonder like if

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Speaker 4: it's it does read my steps and it tells me

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Speaker 4: my sleep. But sometimes I have been up with the

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Speaker 3: For a score? For your sleep.

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Speaker 1: Do you know, Oh you don't have to look at

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Speaker 1: your phone? Is it in the nineties? Do you get

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Speaker 1: a ninety in a crown and five and a crown?

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Speaker 2: I don't mind waiting while I just open it.

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Speaker 4: Oh okay, I got ninety three excellent, eight hours and

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Speaker 4: thirty two minutes.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so yeah, there we go.

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Speaker 1: No wonder you're so good this morning. That word seria

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Speaker 1: was the seventy two and you got four hours sleep,

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Speaker 1: And I wonder.

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Speaker 3: If you was so boring.

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Speaker 2: I'm never having a that.

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Speaker 3: I'm just fascinated by oral rings.

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Speaker 2: That's all I can't. I can't imagine it's your vibe.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, no it isn't, but it is my wife's.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, Listen to Joy to see You, Thanks, and we'll

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Speaker 1: get you on one of those three projects. We'll get

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Speaker 1: you back again. Talk so about nice to see it

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Speaker 1: and don't you approve it?

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Speaker 4: news Talks.

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Speaker 1: It'd be from six am weekdays, or follow the podcast

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