1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: Together due to see concern over how the Trump administration's 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: latest move against Harvard University will affect Kiwi students who 3 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:09,880 Speaker 1: are over there. The Ivy League university has been banned 4 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: from enrolling any more overseas students, and anyone who's actually 5 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: studying there right now will have to either transfer out 6 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: to another university or leave the country or risk deportation now. 7 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: Jamie Beaton is a co founder of Crimson Education, which 8 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: helps the international students get into these Ivy League schools. Jamie, Hello, 9 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: how's it going very well? Thank you? Jamie? Are we 10 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: taking this seriously? Do we think Trump's actually going to 11 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: do this? 12 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 2: Trump's policy here is very similar to his one hundred 13 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 2: and twenty percent tariff on China, which is at a 14 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 2: short term pressure hit against Harvard to try to make 15 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 2: them comply to some of his more aggressive demands. So 16 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 2: I would suspect this is probably going to last for 17 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 2: three months or so. We're of course planning for adverse scenarios, 18 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 2: but it seems like it's more a bluster than something 19 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 2: that will stick around for a while. 20 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: Okay, so if it does stick around for three months, 21 00:00:57,480 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: does it affect you, like? Is that enough to actually 22 00:00:59,240 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: disrupt your business. 23 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 2: Ye, business wise, we are totally fine because our students 24 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 2: applied to a wide brand of US schools. So you know, 25 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 2: we had thirty six kids go to Harvard, which you 26 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 2: know was the most globally last year in our industry. 27 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,320 Speaker 2: But that's still a small fraction of thousands we send. 28 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 2: So business wise, all good. But we're more focused on 29 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 2: our students and the ones holding Harvard offers and how 30 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 2: are they're going to navigate this next period where they 31 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 2: can make choices laps for example waiting it out, taking 32 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 2: a gap year, or even they could take some online 33 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 2: courses from Harvard while they wait for this thing to 34 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 2: clear up. So we're navigating that for the students that 35 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 2: are directly affected. 36 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: Are there some workarounds where you can just keep on 37 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: kind of plugging at it despite. 38 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 2: This, Yes, there are. So During COVID, a lot of 39 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 2: students left America and they were doing online courses from 40 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:47,559 Speaker 2: their home country. The Department of Homeland Security can restrict 41 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 2: F one visas temporarily, but they can't stop Harvards, for example, 42 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 2: facilitating online course students sitting in New Zealand or Australia, 43 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 2: So temporarily if they needed to, they could just do 44 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 2: their Harvard degree from elsewhere. And also Harvard has the 45 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 2: world's best roster of exchange partners for universities, so a 46 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 2: student could easily do one semester abroad and then come 47 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 2: back to campus once this thing sells down. So there 48 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 2: are a number of move students can make temporarily. But 49 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 2: the question is how long it lasts. We think it's 50 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 2: unlikely the spreads to more campuses, and it's a very 51 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 2: focused Harvard hits. 52 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: Now is this going to affect your Cinda who's there 53 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: on a fellowship? 54 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 2: For students on the fellowship right now, it may directly 55 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 2: affect them, and they may I mean that the scholarship 56 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,679 Speaker 2: money wouldn't be removed, but there would be risks for 57 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 2: them having to, for example, leave the country on short notice. 58 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 2: So the most directly affect the people are those that 59 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:37,959 Speaker 2: probably are in one year programs for which it is 60 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:39,519 Speaker 2: quite the structure of their life. Probably a lot of 61 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 2: the graduate students in particular, who you know, we're planning 62 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 2: around being on campus and being out at a certain time. 63 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 2: So I would say for those students, the keep thing 64 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 2: to figure out is, you know, can they just keep 65 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 2: doing their courses from AFAR. Of course, those doing research 66 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 2: won't be that affected because they can do that from 67 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 2: other places, but it will be course work based mass 68 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 2: programs that are one year long, and it could be 69 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 2: a bit more spicy. 70 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,079 Speaker 1: Thank you very much, really appreciated, Jamie Beaton, Crimson Education 71 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: co founder. For more from Hither Duplessy, Allen Drive, listen 72 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: live to news Talks it B from four pm weekdays, 73 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.