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Speaker 1: Idgether do to see out three.

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Speaker 2: Times one hundred thousand heither, be honest? Did you have

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Speaker 2: to use your calculator? Mate? I did maths in New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: I did school see maths, so yes, of course I

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Speaker 2: did eight. I don't know how to do maths. Eighteen

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Speaker 2: past five. Now the Treaty Principal's Bill has finally been

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Speaker 2: introduced to Parliament, which means, of course, we've finally got

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Speaker 2: our first look at the thing. Pretty much exactly as expected,

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Speaker 2: except for the second principle, which promises to respect and

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Speaker 2: protect the rights that Hapu and Ewe Marii had under

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Speaker 2: the Treaty of Waititangi as long as they're the same

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Speaker 2: as everyone else's, or if they're different, as long as

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Speaker 2: they're the result of a treaty settlement. Nade tour Ewe

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Speaker 2: Chief Executive Helpment Modlick is with me now, her helmer. Sure,

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Speaker 2: is that all good with you?

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Speaker 1: Sorry?

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Speaker 2: Is that all good with you?

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Speaker 3: I've made my views very clear on the lack of logic,

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Speaker 3: truth telling, and ethics and connection with the whole exercise.

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Speaker 1: So no, no, nothing good about it seconds either.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, So is there anything that David C. Will

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Speaker 2: could do to this to make you happy.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell the truth. Tell the truth.

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Speaker 3: So, I mean, the whole premise of this one renegotiatate,

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Speaker 3: renegotiation of the of the treaty without participation of one

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Speaker 3: of the parties to the treaty, doesn't even make sense here.

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Speaker 3: So if there was, if this was a serious attempt

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Speaker 3: to to be honorable, to tell truth, and to pursue

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Speaker 3: a just position to go forward on, this bill offers

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Speaker 3: up nothing that marries up those characters.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So I mean, so helmet. If you have a

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Speaker 2: problem with the Crown side even rewriting the thing in

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Speaker 2: the first place, then there's no debate, right, There's nothing

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Speaker 2: that they could do that can pretend that there would

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Speaker 2: ever be up for discussion with you that would satisfy you.

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Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely there would be.

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Speaker 3: So the words are written in black and white and

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Speaker 3: there if you want to understand what they mean, to

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Speaker 3: have a look in a marriage dictionary that what's required,

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Speaker 3: like any contract that's been intoed into, was to be

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Speaker 3: honored by both sides.

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Speaker 1: Now that's problematic for a range of reasons.

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Speaker 3: But over the last probably forty fifty years, we've been

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Speaker 3: on a journey of truth telling and reconciliation and attempting

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Speaker 3: to do that one fell sweep coalitions come in reverse

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Speaker 3: that project of truth and reconciliation and looking to unilaterally

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Speaker 3: renegotiate the terms of that agreement.

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Speaker 1: As I say, nothing about that is just a weakircle.

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Speaker 2: Hey, what happened in Parliament today?

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Speaker 1: So first, you know, the bill was entered into the House.

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Speaker 2: I don't mean that like I know how that works.

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Speaker 2: What happened by you shouting or doing signs and stuff up.

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Speaker 1: In the that's not our way pulling.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know I sat there for over and

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Speaker 3: now listening to parliamentarians flying their trade and was reminded,

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Speaker 3: in fact, how come my debate with David was so

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Speaker 3: frustrating because you know, for the more part I listened

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Speaker 3: to people of avoiding, answering Christians, you know, of obvious

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Speaker 3: gaping and just yeah, it was really hard to listen to.

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Speaker 1: So at the end there there was some questions.

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Speaker 3: That were pointedly given to the current Minister of Development

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Speaker 3: that related both to the bill, but more particularly at

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Speaker 3: the end related to the relationship and the tenor of

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Speaker 3: the relationship between the married community and the coalition government's

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Speaker 3: as the direct question about.

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Speaker 1: Whether it was I know, I know the stuff I left,

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Speaker 1: I still left.

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Speaker 3: I gave them a direct look and with what you

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Speaker 3: can imagine look on my face and turned on the

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Speaker 3: heels and left.

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Speaker 1: I just couldn't stand it any longer enough.

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Speaker 2: Helmet, thanks very much, made appreciated helmet Modelick not to

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