1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Retail crime. It's theresen eighty six percent of the past 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: five years. But what is being done to fix it? 3 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: A new Ministerial advisory Group is on the way apparently, 4 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:12,479 Speaker 1: which the government says we'll link victims with policymakers. Community 5 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 1: leader sunny Kashal is set to be the chair. Will 6 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: this mean any meaningful change? Well, Paul Goldsmith as our 7 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: Justice minister with we now had the Paul we top 8 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:22,440 Speaker 1: of the morning. 9 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 2: There. 10 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: Working groups have got a bad name. It's the old 11 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 1: Labour trick of hiding a problem in them and committeeizing 12 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: things away. Are you hiding a problem in a working group? 13 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 2: Certainly not. What we want is for this group, who 14 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 2: are led by sunny Sha Karshel, who know the area well, 15 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 2: and I want them to come up with specific proposals 16 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 2: quickly so that we can make changes to laws to 17 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 2: better deal with the retail prime problem that we've got. 18 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 2: The issue is we've got a lot of work going 19 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 2: on in the justice space. As you know, we're giving 20 00:00:56,400 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 2: the police extual powers to deal with gangs, were toughening sentences, 21 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 2: is getting three strikes back, bringing new categories for young offenders. 22 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 2: So there's a huge amount of work going through the 23 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 2: justice system. I'm worried that we need to do more 24 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 2: in the retail space. There are capacity issues, and that's 25 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 2: why I'm bringing in this extra group to come up 26 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 2: with specific proposals. 27 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 1: Well, I would suggest two years and just under two 28 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: million dollars worth of funding. There's not very much time 29 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: to actually get something really happening, nor is it continuing. 30 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 2: So you know, oh, well, I don't want them to know. 31 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 2: I don't want to want it in two years to 32 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 2: do anything. I want some ideas to start flowing in 33 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 2: the first few months. And you know, particularly I've got 34 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 2: them focused on that issue around security guards and owners 35 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 2: of businesses what they can and can't do, and there's 36 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 2: widespread concern around that. You know, I think everybody, all 37 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 2: your listeners will have seen examples of people just walking 38 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 2: out of shops without paying. And the answer can't be 39 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 2: just for nobody to do anything unless a police person 40 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 2: happens to be nearby. So that's one issue that we 41 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 2: really want to get them focused on. 42 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 1: So how will we measure their success? When can they 43 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: deliver the results? And will you act on their recommendations? 44 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 2: Well, will measure the success by some specific proposals that 45 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:19,359 Speaker 2: actually make a difference. Yes, well, I fully expect and 46 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:22,119 Speaker 2: you've probably have spoken to Sunny Postil over years. He's 47 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 2: pretty strong on a whole lot of issues, and I 48 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 2: expected they will make us feel very uncomfortable in some 49 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 2: of the proposals. But we're up for some significant change 50 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 2: in this area because what we've seen a massive increase 51 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:37,239 Speaker 2: in retail crime needs a different response. We've got to 52 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 2: do something different to get a different outcome. So that's 53 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 2: why we're up for change. 54 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,079 Speaker 1: Well, we keep on talking about Sonny Kashaw, but who 55 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: else will be on this advisory working group thing. 56 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 2: Well, we've just announced them that we're going to have 57 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 2: four or five other spots on the group, and we're 58 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 2: lots of people specting that we haven't decide that we're 59 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 2: going to decide that over the next couple of weeks, 60 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 2: we'll get some people together and they'll be on their way. 61 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: Well, good luck. 62 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 2: And the good news is that this is going to 63 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 2: be funded out of the Proceeds of Crime fund. So 64 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 2: this is so the criminals themselves will be paying for 65 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 2: this group to do the job. 66 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: Well, we can't wait for their recommendations, and the sooner 67 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: the better now as Minister for State Owned Enterprises. An 68 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:17,239 Speaker 1: advisory group has recommended the Kiwi Rail ditch the Cook 69 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: Ferries becomes a separate, privately owned entity of taxpayers. Union 70 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: Curier poll says the forty three percent of New Zealander 71 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 1: I think that's a great idea. What do you think? 72 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 2: Well, look, I'm not going to speculate on linked documents obviously, 73 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 2: but you know we're working our way through. The primary 74 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 2: issue is aid to ensure that the ferries today are 75 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 2: run safely and that's obviously the role of the maritime authorities. 76 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 2: And then secondly we're working through a process to find 77 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 2: some new fairies. 78 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: And minister options. Kimi Rail made the same mistake yesterday 79 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: where they failed to actually talk about leaked documents, and 80 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: of course they looked a bit silly. But if the 81 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: document has been leaked and the document existed, is the 82 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: document real, this is going to happen? Is this the 83 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: advice from the advisory group? 84 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 2: Yes? Or no? Well, look that there have been suggestions 85 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 2: made and government's made no decisions yet, but we're open 86 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 2: to all possibilities. 87 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: Well, when will the document become unleaked and just on 88 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: public on public show and we can really get in 89 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 1: and get into the debate and make a decision. 90 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 2: Well I'm not sure the exact timing of that, but 91 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 2: or all sort of all documents ultimately become available. The 92 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 2: complication and relation to the theories is that we're also 93 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 2: in the middle of negotiations to organize an exit from 94 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 2: the previous three billion dollar plan, and so that there 95 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 2: is an element of the commercial sensitivity around that. 96 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: Paul enjoy We can go to the AVS and I thank 97 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:40,559 Speaker 1: you so much for your time. 98 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:44,359 Speaker 2: For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to 99 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 2: news talks it'd be from six am weekdays, or follow 100 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 2: the podcast on iHeartRadio.