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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Fine

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Speaker 1: from Newstalk ZEDB for the.

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Speaker 2: Gold medal, Kiwi's can fly and hamishkur scales his everest

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Speaker 2: and his high jump Olympic champion and he is away

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Speaker 2: Homous cur sprinting around this arena.

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Speaker 3: One of the truly great sporting moments of twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 3: Hamish curR winning Olympic gold in the high jump exactly

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Speaker 3: five weeks ago. This morning seems longer, doesn't it. Back

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Speaker 3: home now and in studio with this Hamish cur Great

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Speaker 3: to see you mate, Thanks for stopping. And how often

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Speaker 3: does your mind drift back to that Olympic final five

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Speaker 3: weeks ago?

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Speaker 4: A lot? Yeah, it's definitely a moment. This burnt into

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Speaker 4: my mind for the rest of my life. But yeah,

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Speaker 4: it's probably probably not in the ways that people think.

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Speaker 4: I remember the run across the field, and I remember

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Speaker 4: spending a lot of time in media and and and

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Speaker 4: doping and and various other things afterwards, and then and

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Speaker 4: then spending time with my family.

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Speaker 3: The run across the field was that that that can't

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Speaker 3: have been premeditated? Was that just spur of the moment,

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Speaker 3: adrenaline rush.

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Speaker 4: Ah, it was a little bit premutitated. I so, so

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Speaker 4: athletics has got this thing. So there's obviously a lot

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Speaker 4: going on in the stadium, and that's that's something that's

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Speaker 4: massive for our sports. It's really cool, you know, you

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Speaker 4: get to go along and and just watch all these

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Speaker 4: events happening at once. Most people say like, man, I

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Speaker 4: didn't realize how busy it was, and it is. There's

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Speaker 4: it's just hectic. But in saying that, like the middle

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Speaker 4: of the field is never used. It's it's javelin, it's discussed,

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Speaker 4: it's it's the long throws get thrown into the middle

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Speaker 4: of the field. But because of that, no athletes even

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Speaker 4: go in there. And so you're only kind of involving

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Speaker 4: like one portion of the stadium at any given moment.

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Speaker 4: And so typically in a high jump, obviously being at

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Speaker 4: one sided the stadium, if I was to, like when

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Speaker 4: the competition or something big happened, I'd run towards the crowd,

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Speaker 4: and that would then mean that the rest of the

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Speaker 4: entire stadium was clapping and getting behind the jump off

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Speaker 4: I just think it was fitting to instead of running

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Speaker 4: then everyone could sort of get a bit of a

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Speaker 4: taste and celebrate with me. So yeah, was a little

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Speaker 4: bit a little bit premutitated. I did have to wait

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Speaker 4: for the jablin to finish, and that had finished a

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Speaker 4: so I knew that it was time to clear that

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Speaker 4: last jump and run.

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Speaker 3: Loved it, mate, Iconic moment. Iconic moment. I remember speaking

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Speaker 3: to you. I think it was about one in the

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Speaker 3: morning Paris time you'd done so much media and stuff.

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Speaker 3: What time did you actually get to bed?

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Speaker 4: I got to bed at probably six thirty?

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, So left the stadium, finished finished event at

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Speaker 4: than I was at that point. I was kind of

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Speaker 3: They talk about these things sinking in. Was there a

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Speaker 4: Ah esed to No, Like, I mean, I think for

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Speaker 4: me it feels strangely normal, like it's it's it's obviously

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Speaker 4: there's there's waves of motion, and there's there's times where

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Speaker 3: One of your great lines afterwards, qualifying was qualifying sucks.

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Speaker 3: It's easy to forget. Man, what two misses at two twenty?

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Speaker 3: How did you manage your way through that third jump?

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Speaker 3: And qualifying at two twenty.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, look, qualifying, That's what I'll never forget as well,

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Speaker 4: the first attempt was just about jump, you know, you

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Speaker 4: of sitting there going this has happened. The two previous

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Speaker 4: and yeah, you know, part of part of me that

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Speaker 4: Maybe I'm not you know, maybe there's just something missing.

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Speaker 4: Maybe there's just a little bit of me that will

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Speaker 4: But but then you go back to process and you

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Speaker 4: yourself from the emotions. Those those emotions don't really mean

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Speaker 4: I was really crying, like it was. It was just

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Speaker 4: just so weird because it's you know, that was probably

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Speaker 4: it probably it probably would have been the end of

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Speaker 3: That is incredible insight, man, because all the stuff you've

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Speaker 3: you're over at two twenty seven, and qualifying later on

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Speaker 3: you jump to thirty six. What is it about the

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Speaker 4: I think it just goes to show how much timing

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Speaker 4: You actually have to be thinking the whole time around

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Speaker 3: Because you have two misses at two thirty one in

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Speaker 4: Look, I mean those missus in qualifying at two twenty

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Speaker 4: that was the hardest point in my life. And to

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Speaker 4: then the jump off was was just an amazing experience

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Speaker 4: regardless of the results. So yeah, I feel like once I,

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: Can you put to bed any rumors about the jump

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Speaker 3: off with Shelby McEwan? Did who got asked first? Did

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Speaker 3: anybody say yeah, hey, let's share it? Well, can you

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Speaker 3: give us the give us the actual version of events?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? I mean, look, I don't think I'll ever be

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Speaker 4: we were even. I didn't realize we're even until about

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Speaker 4: He had just done two personal bests. I think I

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Speaker 4: probably I was guilty of that on my part, but

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Speaker 4: at the same time, you know, I knew i'd get

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Speaker 4: He was already out, so I was kind of all

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Speaker 4: so yeah, kind of did that, got off the mat,

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Speaker 4: walked over to Shelby, locked him in the eyes. He

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Speaker 4: was already standing there with your fisials and yeah, you

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Speaker 4: What I thinking? And I just nodded at him. I

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Speaker 4: and that was it. You know, it wasn't it wasn't

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Speaker 4: drawn out, There wasn't a big chat. It was just

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Speaker 4: But at the same time, I think that was really

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Speaker 4: was no way we're going to share it. It was

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Speaker 4: it was definitely a case of wanting to know who

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Speaker 4: it's not even a conversation you should be having because

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Speaker 4: it just never happens in competitions. Are the only two

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Speaker 3: One of the co gold medal holders from Tokyo, Mutaz

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Speaker 3: Every time I watched him jump, he was just miles

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean Basham's he's one of the greatest high

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Speaker 4: terms of personal bests. He's jumped two forty three. So

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Speaker 4: He jumped to forty at like ten years in a row.

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Speaker 4: But he's old, like he's coming to the end of

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Speaker 4: He looks just so beautiful, but he does kind of

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Speaker 3: No, it's jumped op for ages, you reckon, you're still

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's it's definitely the next goal. I think.

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Speaker 4: I think for me, you know, how do you kind

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Speaker 3: You got a bit of a break, have you now?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah I do. Yeah, I'm not training for the

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Speaker 4: I'm trying not to think about it, but probably November

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Speaker 3: Mate. Great to see your iconic moment, my favorite moment

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Speaker 3: of the Olympic Games. It's been amazing chatting to you

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Speaker 3: just sensational. Enjoy a bit of a break, Great to

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Speaker 4: Cheers. Painting thanks, no, thank you mate.

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Speaker 3: That is a Hamish Kerr Olympic high jump gold medalist

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Speaker 3: from Paris twenty twenty four. What incredible insight there, Nick

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Speaker 3: on text mate, that moment, that moment right there, two

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Speaker 3: that moment, Hamish. Indeed, so say all of us you

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Speaker 3: remember when Hamish Kerr had jumped two or I had

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Speaker 3: he's not even in final. This isn't qualifying. He'd missed

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Speaker 3: it two twenty twice, a height that ordinarily he clears easily.

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Speaker 3: It's incredible. What pressure does to you, what competition does

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Speaker 3: just then, that would probably have been it. Amazing from there,

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Speaker 3: as Nick just said in that text, to a gold

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Speaker 3: medal talk about a pivotal moment. Yeah, Ams Kerr. He

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Speaker 3: was already it, already had tears in his eyes, and

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Speaker 3: yet somehow found it within himself to clear it. Astonishing

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Speaker 3: nice gold medal too, Hamris Kerr with us on Weekend

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