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Speaker 1: For some of the Olympics. After the event, they're asking

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Speaker 1: what is next to name Lisa Carrington as one of

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Speaker 1: those people. She may go again. Of course she may not.

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Speaker 1: Nine medals across four games, either of them gold. Meantime,

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Speaker 1: turns out she's an author of children's book aimed at

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Speaker 1: four to nine year olds. It's called Lisa Carrington Chases

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Speaker 1: a Champion. Lisa Carrington's with us morning.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good morning. It's lovely to be.

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Speaker 1: Here now, Elise Andrews, who we had in the program

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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago. So these are these eclectic questions.

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Speaker 1: I ask people like you, what's your observation, giving your

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Speaker 1: experience at the elite end of sport, that most sports

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Speaker 1: people are elegant, eloquent and together as human beings. What

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Speaker 1: is it about sport that makes you that way?

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't not everyone's like that, right, I thank you?

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Speaker 3: No, I think I guess as a sports person, and

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Speaker 3: particularly maybe in New Zealander, if you're working on yourself

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Speaker 3: as a human, your performance is also unlocked that way.

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Speaker 1: And the value then of programs, so rowing, paddling, cycling, sailing,

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Speaker 1: equestrian at Olympic level has been very good. What weight

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Speaker 1: do you place on the value of programs to propel

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Speaker 3: For I guess in my experience it's the people and

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Speaker 3: the I guess, the desire to push boundaries, to grow,

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Speaker 3: to learn, to figure out how just to get better.

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Speaker 3: So for us program is really it is important. But

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Speaker 3: also my coach, my teammates, that's a huge importance.

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Speaker 1: What's the role in your life of the coach.

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Speaker 3: He, I guess, Gordy, he writes the program, he plans

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Speaker 3: our campaign. It's huge and he's a mentor as well,

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Speaker 3: so he has a huge influence on my performance.

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Speaker 1: Has he? I mean, obviously you grow closer over time.

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Speaker 1: But is it one of those things if you're the

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Speaker 1: right personality, you can be coached by anybody or is

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Speaker 1: it a very individual thing? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I think if you're a learner, if you've got to

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Speaker 3: be coachable, so absolutely you can be coached by anyone.

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Speaker 3: And I think you've got to really understand what you

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Speaker 3: need and how people can help you, and that people aren't.

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Speaker 2: There to serve you.

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Speaker 3: That you've got to figure out, you know, what you

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Speaker 3: can probably do for them. And I guess have an

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Speaker 3: aligned vision of where you want to.

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Speaker 1: Go when you get to what you've achieved, what's still coachable?

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Speaker 3: That's I guess that is the challenge is to make

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Speaker 3: I still have to get better and technically physically, so.

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Speaker 1: It's see, I find that hard to believe. Is that

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Speaker 1: so because what you really want to say is there

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Speaker 3: But I guess there's like, what is the what is

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Speaker 3: guess you are competing against we are competing against people,

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Speaker 3: But what is is it a world record?

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Speaker 2: Is it your best?

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Speaker 3: So I think you have to look beyond the finish

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Speaker 3: and every time you achieve those little things winning a

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Speaker 3: was my best, I would have stopped in London.

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Speaker 2: I would have stopped after Rio.

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Speaker 3: I would have stopped after So like you've got to

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Speaker 1: It's got to be more than Do you think you're

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Speaker 3: I think I've learned so much in the last year.

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Speaker 3: Every year, Like I guess you kind of. There's one

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Speaker 1: It has to be I just can't work out what

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Speaker 3: I'm just going to do my best. I love my teammates. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: So but that's because I'll tell you what that is.

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Speaker 1: What that is is you've got nothing left to prove, or.

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Speaker 2: You just don't have to prove anything.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Yeah, no one doubts who you

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Speaker 3: And I think you can probably find that at any stage,

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Speaker 1: Do you want to leave? And I don't want to

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Speaker 3: Maybe I think to be honest, it has to be

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Speaker 3: I really have a you know, there's a handful of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think you just you have to rely.

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Speaker 3: I think it actually just comes back to who you are,

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Speaker 2: That I enjoy?

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Speaker 3: would just continue to love to share as well.

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Speaker 1: Where does age fit in and the physical constraints of age.

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Speaker 1: I think what will that be made up of? Will

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Speaker 3: So I guess what we're learning is although there's improvement,

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Speaker 2: But I think you just learn. It's gradual, right.

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Speaker 3: I've figured out for me an equation where can be disciplined.

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Speaker 1: So which brings you to As to the children's book,

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Speaker 3: So it's really about the journey of my eight year

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Speaker 3: and that comes with little challenges and ways to kind

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely, That is one of the messages in the book.

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Speaker 3: Young Lisa has a friend and she's so she asked

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Speaker 3: And so, you know, it's about turning up. It talks

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Speaker 2: There's so many little.

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Speaker 3: Messages in there from you know, about a little bit

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Speaker 3: know there are challenges and you have to keep turning up.

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Speaker 1: Isn't that one of the great stories of the Olympic Games,

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Speaker 1: And we saw it recently in Paris. Is everyone had

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Speaker 1: and they were all there. It was like, there it is,

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Speaker 1: and it's the greatest thing in the world, isn't it. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think it's really special to be able to share

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Speaker 3: come there to what you perform, and particularly like it

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Speaker 3: you know your parents, so they give so much.

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Speaker 1: Don't they? All everyone does? So this takes you where.

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Speaker 1: This is the first of eighteen books.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I hope to do a couple more children's books.

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Speaker 3: So at the end there it kind of shares it.

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Speaker 3: There is another journey, so it keeps you on the edgy.

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Speaker 1: Well, she can have journeys and adventures till forever, can't She.

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Speaker 2: Always too many lessons to learn and relearn?

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Speaker 1: Good on you, well, thank you for bringing these glorious

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Speaker 1: terms of importance.

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Speaker 2: Or moments learnings?

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Speaker 3: And you know, I guess it's like every one of

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Speaker 3: all pretty, they're all pretty special, but I mean, Paris,

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Speaker 3: the recent ones were amazing.

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Speaker 1: I'm not surprised. Listen, go well, we'll put the video

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Speaker 1: Lisa Carrington.

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