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Speaker 1: So a bit of bankster over the Americans announcing this

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Speaker 1: review of Orcus. They're putting their America first lens over

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Speaker 1: a big deal in Australia yesterday, given their commitment to it,

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Speaker 1: Judith Collins went all storm on it. Wayne mapp Is,

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Speaker 1: a former defense minister, of course, needs back with us.

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Speaker 2: Wayne. Morning to you, Good morning, Marian.

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Speaker 1: I can't work out why we're exercised about this. I mean,

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Speaker 1: wouldn't you, as a new president put your lens over it?

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Speaker 1: And when the UK reviewed it, they reviewed it with

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Speaker 1: alacrity and they said more please, we like it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: is there anything to be worried about here?

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Speaker 2: The fact that it's a third day review instead a

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Speaker 2: longer would indicate the fundamentally the US that is fundamentally

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Speaker 2: committed to it. Australia, I reckon is probably their number

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Speaker 2: one ally, especially in the age of Pacific. They're hardly

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Speaker 2: going to trash that.

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Speaker 1: Relationship exactly, so you would expect them to look at it,

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Speaker 1: say it's fine, and carry on with it. And presumably

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Speaker 1: the only thing I could find that could be a

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Speaker 1: problem is America doesn't make enough subs for themselves, So

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Speaker 1: could they say, well, look we should make subs for

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Speaker 1: ourselves instead of you know, making them for other people.

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Speaker 1: Is that part of it?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think the other part is putting a bit

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Speaker 2: of pressure on Australia for them to boost it means expenditure. Look,

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Speaker 2: if Australia wants to buy nuclear subs, so they're going

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Speaker 2: to have to spend a lot more money. There's no

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Speaker 2: doubt about that.

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Speaker 1: And that's where the Males meeting came up the other

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Speaker 1: day with heg Seth and he was I can't remember

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Speaker 1: what is number, was three and a half heating the

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Speaker 1: five or whatever the case may be, is that where

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Speaker 1: do you think the world is heading more money on defense?

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Speaker 1: And this is just going to become a thing.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it seems to NATO's standard is now going to

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Speaker 2: be three and a half percent or thereabouts. That's been

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Speaker 2: pretty clear from all the publicity. NATO seems to be

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Speaker 2: buying into it. The Americans would expect Australia to kind

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Speaker 2: of line up with that, and that'll have a techo

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Speaker 2: on New Zealand as well. Now actually three and a

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Speaker 2: half percent, but you know we're not going to be

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Speaker 2: able to keep getting away with one and a half percent.

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Speaker 1: Why did Colins go all quiet on it yesterday, What

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Speaker 1: would be the thinking behind it? And we're not even

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Speaker 1: part of UCST for God's sake.

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Speaker 2: No, but we're connected to it. And look, it's sensible

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Speaker 2: for her to do that, and I would expect nothing less.

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Speaker 2: This is an issue really between the United States and

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Speaker 2: Australia and I guess the UK as well. There's no

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Speaker 2: need for us to stick out and to that we can.

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Speaker 2: You know, we're obviously going to be looking at it

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Speaker 2: carefully that we take a reasonably sensible approach to diplomacy.

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Speaker 1: Glad we got that cleared up. Well done, Wine appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Whye map form a defense minister.

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