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Speaker 1: The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,

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Speaker 1: get the answers by the facts and give the analysis.

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Speaker 1: Heather due to the Allen Drive with One New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: Let's get connected and news talk as they'd be.

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Speaker 2: Afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today, Kamala Harris

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Speaker 2: has given her final speech to the campaign. Has she

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Speaker 2: done enough to get the swing voters to come her way?

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Speaker 2: On the economy, Jack Tame was there, He'll talk us

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Speaker 2: through it after five. The government's given some illegal money

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Speaker 2: back to survivors of Lake Alice. Will have a chat

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Speaker 2: to the Minister and David Seymour, the Associate Education Minister,

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Speaker 2: on what to do about our chronically absent students.

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Speaker 3: Heather du to c Allen.

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Speaker 2: Turns out the people who want to shut other people

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Speaker 2: up just do not learn from history, do they. I

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Speaker 2: consider myself to be reasonably well informed, not because I'm

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Speaker 2: a particularly smart person, just because I have to be

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Speaker 2: for my job. I read the newspapers every day, I

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Speaker 2: have to listen to the radio. So I think I've

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Speaker 2: got a reasonably good idea of what's going on in

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Speaker 2: the at any point in time. But I'm completely forgotten

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Speaker 2: that Candace Owens was coming to New Zealand until this week,

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Speaker 2: mainly thanks to Young Labor. So they're trying to stop

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Speaker 2: her from coming to New Zealand, aren't they. They've published

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Speaker 2: an open letter urging the government to ban her, just

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Speaker 2: like Australia did yesterday, which only served to remind me

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Speaker 2: I should probably go and read a little bit about

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Speaker 2: Candace Owens and some of her controversial stuff, so I

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Speaker 2: know exactly what the problem is. So Young Labour can

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Speaker 2: thank themselves for spreading her ereetoric even more widely. The

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Speaker 2: reason they want to ban her is because they say,

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Speaker 2: we have an obligation to be protecting our communities from

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Speaker 2: that kind of rhetoric that empowers divisive movements. Have they

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Speaker 2: heard of the Internet? I mean, it's not borders that

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Speaker 2: stop bad ideas nowadays, is it? It just comes right over.

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Speaker 2: They also then go on to say that if the

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Speaker 2: government doesn't listen and decides to let Candace Owens in anyway,

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Speaker 2: can the government it please please at least just make

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Speaker 2: sure there's heaps of security at her events quote to

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Speaker 2: ensure that when those people do choose to counter protest her,

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Speaker 2: they're not also met with violence. The bloody cheek of it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the last time we had somebody controversial hair,

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Speaker 2: which is of course, was Posy Parker. It wasn't Posy

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Speaker 2: Parker's protesters were the ones in court for violence was

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Speaker 2: It was the counter protesters. It was the counter protesters.

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Speaker 2: It was the young punk who turned up to protest

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Speaker 2: Posy Parker and then punched a grandmother in the face

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Speaker 2: because she was a supporter. It was the one who

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Speaker 2: threw the tomato juice on Posy Parkers. It don't be

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Speaker 2: calling for security to keep the counter protesters safe as

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Speaker 2: the people who were there to watch the actual controversial thing.

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Speaker 2: Who needs to be kept safe from the counter protesters

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Speaker 2: by the looks of things. Anyway, Let's just at least

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Speaker 2: be honest about who poses the greatest threat. Here, here's

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Speaker 2: some simple advice, because obviously it's too late this I

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Speaker 2: been reminded about Candice Owen's now we're all talking about it.

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Speaker 2: But here's some simple advice for the next time someone

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Speaker 2: controversial comes to New Zealand. Don't mention it because the

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Speaker 2: only people who will know and go to the event

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Speaker 2: are the people who have already consumed the content. The

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Speaker 2: people who are already fans. Now though, with the Candae

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Speaker 2: and read some of her stuff. What an own goal.

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Speaker 3: Again, Heather Duplicy Ellen, welcome.

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Speaker 2: To get involved. Nine two nine two is the text number.

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Speaker 2: Standard text fees apply now. Police in New Zealand are

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Speaker 2: trying to stop a suicide prevention charity from getting a

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Speaker 2: temporary liquor license for a fundraiser this weekend. Both the

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Speaker 2: police and a licensing inspector have opposed the organizer's application

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Speaker 2: for a license, so there's going to be a special

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Speaker 2: before the event, to see if alcohol can be served.

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Speaker 2: The coppers say the problem they've got with this particular

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Speaker 2: alcohol and suicide, so it's inappropriate for alcohol to be

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Speaker 2: provided at a suicide prevention event. Mike King is not

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Speaker 2: involved in this event, but he is a mental health advocate,

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Speaker 2: so he's got views on this and he's with us.

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Speaker 4: Now, Hey, Mike, Hey, Heather, how are you well?

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Speaker 5: Mate?

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Speaker 4: Man? Are the Moral Police going a band putting at

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Speaker 2: Probably? Probably if the people care enough about it. So

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Speaker 2: like me, I'm assuming that, like me, you think this

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Speaker 4: From the cops, it is ridiculous. So look, let's get

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Speaker 6: From the get go. This isn't about the Suicide Prevention Trust.

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Speaker 6: This is a bunch of young polytech students who have

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Speaker 4: It has nothing to do with the trust. This is

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Speaker 6: Avenue for young people who care about the wellbeing of

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Speaker 6: other people, an opportunity for them to raise funds.

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Speaker 4: And this is you know, this is the moral police.

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Speaker 6: Coming in and going Alcohol and suicide they are intrinsically

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Speaker 6: then do the AA no longer have alcohol at their

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Speaker 6: car crashes. You know, it's where is this stop? This

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Speaker 6: is this is classic over each and these. What is

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Speaker 6: it saying to young people in this country who are

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Speaker 4: What is it saying to them? What is a message

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Speaker 2: Mike, And let's be honest about it, the cops have

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Speaker 2: probably if they oppose this, that they will make sure

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Speaker 2: that these young people raise less money because, if we're

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Speaker 2: honest about it, alcohol actually raises money for things like

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Speaker 4: It one hundred percent?

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Speaker 6: And if you dig down, I think you'll find that

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Speaker 6: the majority of the police who are making this decision

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Speaker 6: think it's stupid as well. But we're living in so

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Speaker 6: much fear of backlash that you go, oh, well, it's

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Speaker 6: just easier not to you know, just easier to say no.

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Speaker 6: I say, look back in your box. Team, you know

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Speaker 6: you're doing great work on the streets. Go fight some

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Speaker 6: real crimes and let these guys get on.

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Speaker 2: But do you, I mean, do you have a view

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Speaker 2: with the anti alcohol people and the police. And it's

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Speaker 2: not all the cops. It's just like a little group

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Speaker 2: who are opposed to it, is that they've got really

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Speaker 6: Well, yes, and that's the problem with society today.

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Speaker 4: We've become very tribal.

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Speaker 6: There is no connection between different groups where right you're wrong,

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Speaker 6: and will counterpoint anything, any argument you come up with.

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Speaker 6: At the heart of this, there's a bunch of young

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Speaker 6: to help a local charity, and that's where the decision

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Speaker 6: an intrinsic link between alcohol and suicide, because you know

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Speaker 6: what suicide is not. I'm sorry, Alcohol is not a

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Speaker 6: problem for people with mental health issues. It's actually the

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Speaker 6: a better solution.

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Speaker 2: Then men by that.

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Speaker 6: How is it a solution, Well, it stops those those

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Speaker 4: I would suggest to you that alcohol.

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Speaker 6: Has prevented more young people from taking their own lives

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Speaker 6: that actually takes.

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Speaker 4: Their own lives.

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Speaker 6: And when I was I'm a drug addict and alcoholic

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Speaker 6: in my whole life. I used drugs and alcohol to

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Speaker 4: It's a release, It's like a video game. It's exactly

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Speaker 4: the same thing.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 4: I would always be out and.

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Speaker 6: About with groups of people because the thing I feared

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Speaker 6: So alcohol has never been the issue. It shouldn't be

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Speaker 6: in the Mental Health Act at all. We should come

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Speaker 6: up with alternatives. It's like methadone. It keeps us going

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Speaker 3: Interest it's our life jacket.

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Speaker 2: A really interesting perspective. Hey, thank you, I appreciate it's

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Speaker 2: my king mental health advocate. By the way, Friday, I

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Speaker 2: think is gum boot Friday PSA for Wellington. Heads up,

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Speaker 2: and they're gonna have that chopper above Civic Square and

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Speaker 2: then a pull Quasi from the roof of the gallery

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Speaker 2: something like that. Final destination unknown. Frankly, I don't care

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Speaker 2: that thing with kids and you walk on your two fingers,

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Speaker 2: a sculpture of that and on the hand is Quasi's face.

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Speaker 2: It's called Quasi because like as in Quasimodo, is that ugly? Anyway,

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Speaker 2: thank God they're getting rid of Quasi, and think God

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Speaker 2: they're getting rid of the city. To see bridge, I

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Speaker 2: don't know. There's a lot of crimes going on in

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Speaker 2: Wellington around that Civic Square place. Anyway, got three days

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Speaker 2: to say Tatar to Quasi and then after that the

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Speaker 2: city will vastly improve. Sixteen past four.

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Speaker 1: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's hither duper c

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Speaker 1: Allen drive with one New zealand one giant leaf for business.

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Speaker 1: US talks on sport with the new tab app downloaded

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Speaker 1: today right bed responsibly.

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Speaker 2: Darcy water Grave sports talkhoasters with me, Hello dars the

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Speaker 2: c Ellen. Does he have a point about the haka?

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Speaker 8: No?

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Speaker 2: Why not?

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Speaker 9: What of it is is basically it's living rent free

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Speaker 9: in his head and if you just really s tfu

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Speaker 9: because shut up. It doesn't matter to the all Blacks.

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Speaker 9: They don't ge complainingly you want mate, stop it if

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Speaker 9: you don't like it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So this is what.

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Speaker 9: Is just mar What he's trying to do is get

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Speaker 9: click bait because he's not playing, he's in, he has gone.

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Speaker 2: Maybe he's just having an opinion. I think he's got

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Speaker 2: a point. Can I explain to you absolutely. I think

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Speaker 2: that everything that we do before international tests is ridiculous,

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Speaker 2: like the national anthems for example, what the hell are

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Speaker 2: we doing before playing a game of footy? That's all

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Speaker 2: it is.

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Speaker 9: Don't even move to America.

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Speaker 2: Why are they standing there singing songs like they're going

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Speaker 2: to go to war with each other. It's a game

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Speaker 2: of football.

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Speaker 9: Not a fan of the national anthems, but constantly playing

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Speaker 9: Star Spangled it's very I know it's very.

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Speaker 2: I mean look because have a look for example at

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Speaker 2: an NPC game or a super rugby game. Right, we're

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Speaker 2: not having songs and carry on playing your hand which

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Speaker 2: for it. It's overshadowing Carmela's last speech. Jack Tame was there.

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Speaker 2: So both US presidential candidates have been speaking at rallies. Today,

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Speaker 12: He is the person who stood at this very spot

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Speaker 2: US Secretary General Antonio Guterras has written a letter to

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Speaker 2: And finally, a lost city of the Mayans has just

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of Mind

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Speaker 2: Dan Mitchinson, US correspondence with me Now, Hey Dan, Hey, Heather,

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Speaker 2: What did you make of Kamala Harris's speech? Did she

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Speaker 14: But you know, I think anything between now and the

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Speaker 14: finish line a week from tonight, Heather, honestly, you're just

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Speaker 14: talking to a wall. You know, these people that they're

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Speaker 14: talking about, these undecided voters. Honestly, with the exception of

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Speaker 14: maybe my eighteen year old son who doesn't want to

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Speaker 14: vote for one candidate or the other. I haven't met

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Speaker 14: an undecided voter. Everybody has made up their mind right

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Speaker 14: now at this point in time. So I think you're

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Speaker 14: preaching of the choir at this point. You know, maybe

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Speaker 14: there's a two or three percentage and that could certainly

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Speaker 14: swing an election in one of the six or seven

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Speaker 14: states at this point in time, but I think everybody's

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Speaker 14: mind is pretty well set.

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Speaker 2: Is ik staying on some of the ballots.

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Speaker 14: Well, because basically the Supreme Court said he has to

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Speaker 14: in Wisconsin and Michigan, And then again, those are two

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Speaker 14: of the battleground states we keep talking about. So Kennedy

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Speaker 14: doesn't want to draw any votes away from former President Trump.

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Speaker 14: A week from today, he endorsed Trump after stepping down,

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Speaker 14: and he argued that these deadlines that he messed are

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Speaker 14: un constitutional because they're different than the rules for candidates

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Speaker 14: running safe for Democrat or Republican, and of course he

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Speaker 14: was an independent. Lower courts rejected at say, hey, you

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Speaker 14: know what, you're too late. There's not enough time to

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Speaker 14: change the ballots. Voting is already underway, so he may

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Speaker 14: draw a minuscuol minischool amount of voters, but likely those

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Speaker 14: that do vote for him are those that might vote

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Speaker 14: for Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: MM or protest voting, right, I mean, yes, yes, you

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Speaker 2: have to be a little dumb not to realize he's

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Speaker 2: off the ballot.

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Speaker 14: Wouldn't you, Well you would, but I mean, you know,

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Speaker 14: there's always somebody that gets written in or somebody that

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Speaker 14: gets a half a percent of a vote out here.

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Speaker 15: I don't think you'll even get that that much though.

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Speaker 2: Okay, now you we say Today has also decided it's

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Speaker 2: going to do the same thing as the Washington Post

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Speaker 2: and kill the endorsements. What's their reasoning for it?

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Speaker 14: Well, you know, this is really interesting because when you

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Speaker 14: think about it, these so called nonpartisan medias taking side

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Speaker 14: even on an editorial page. I mean, some people have

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Speaker 14: been questioning that for for some time. But what's interesting

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Speaker 14: is they're not going to publish any presidential endorsements between

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Speaker 14: now in November fifth. But what they're going to do

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Speaker 14: is allow their two hundred newspapers around the country to

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Speaker 14: endorse candidates of the state and local levels at their

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Speaker 14: own discretion. And this seems like a little bit of

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Speaker 14: a gray area, I think, because if you're saying, well,

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Speaker 14: we're not doing this, but this is okay. I mean,

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Speaker 14: why draw the line right there? They're saying, well, you know,

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Speaker 14: we believe that that America's future has decided locally, one

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Speaker 14: race at a time, which to me seems kind of

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Speaker 14: like a strange response or maybe a non response in

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Speaker 14: this case to do this.

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Speaker 11: It is quite well.

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Speaker 14: You could take the cynical road right which says nobody

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Speaker 14: in the media, which nobody in the media takes, and

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Speaker 14: just say they just don't want to get on the

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Speaker 14: back side of whoever wins this election.

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Speaker 2: So like the local races are not as important, but

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Speaker 2: you want to stay sweet with the president exactly, yes, exactly.

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Speaker 16: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It is weird because if you're gonna have a principle,

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Speaker 2: you and just stick with it wholeheartedly. Hey, Dan, thank

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Speaker 2: you very much, really appreciated. Dan Mitchison, US correspondent. Hither

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Speaker 2: our company hasn't offer sweepstakes on the US election. Who

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Speaker 2: will win them?

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Speaker 8: Buy?

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Speaker 2: How much my money's on Trump to win? By one?

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Speaker 2: That's from Ben So Barry Soper was saying to me today,

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Speaker 2: he said, Kamala Harris is going to win, And I said, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 2: what makes you so? Because as you know, I've said

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Speaker 2: to you Donald Trump is going to win. And I said,

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Speaker 2: I said to him, my ear, what makes you so

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Speaker 2: confident that Karmala Harris is going to win? And he goes,

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Speaker 2: I just I can pick it. And I was like okay,

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Speaker 2: And I said to him, so, if Kamala Harris wins,

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Speaker 2: what do I need to acknowledge about you? And he said,

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Speaker 2: you had need to acknowledge that I am very good

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Speaker 2: at reading the public mood. I was like, okay, said

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Speaker 2: so if Donald Trump wins, are you going to acknowledge

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Speaker 2: that I'm very good at reading the public mood? He

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Speaker 2: said no, no, no, And I was like, ah, it's

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Speaker 2: different standards, is it? You're awesome? And I just get

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Speaker 2: lucky if I get it right. So anyway, he's going

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Speaker 2: to be here shortly, we'll ask me to back it

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Speaker 2: up hither I'm going to show my ignorance. Who the

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Speaker 2: hell is Candace Owans? We'll pull in Why don't you

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Speaker 2: just go google it? Because this is exactly the point

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Speaker 2: that I was trying to make. You didn't even know

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Speaker 2: that you were like home, It didn't even occur to

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Speaker 2: you that this woman Candice Owens existed and then young

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Speaker 2: Labor wrote a protest letter to stop Candice Owens bad ideas.

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Speaker 2: And now you're going to go google her and you're

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Speaker 2: going to find out all about her bad ideas. What

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Speaker 2: an own goal? Sixteen away from.

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Speaker 1: Five Politics with centrics Credit, check your customers and get payments.

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Speaker 2: Very so, senior political correspondence with US Now Barry, Hello,

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Speaker 2: good afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 7: So.

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Speaker 2: I gave a pracee just before of why you think

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Speaker 2: Kamala Harris is going to win? Which is just you

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Speaker 2: got the vibes.

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Speaker 10: No, no, it's not. It's look if you can vote,

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Speaker 10: if you if you're a human being. And you look

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Speaker 10: at two people at the podium. One spends forty minutes

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Speaker 10: winding up music to dards like a board to and

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Speaker 10: particularly YMCA, which is a gay national anthem, and he

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Speaker 10: thinks it's the one of the best songs that he's

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Speaker 10: ever heard and pokes his fingers in the air. And

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Speaker 10: this man wants to be the president of the United States. Again,

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Speaker 10: I mean, honestly, it's your argument.

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Speaker 2: I don't get it. Well, I just think, are you

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Speaker 2: saying nobody could possibly vote a miner's president?

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Speaker 10: Well, see, I never understood. I've got to say the

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Speaker 10: first time why he was voted in. And I just

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Speaker 10: can't understand having watched it all today. Kamala Harris's final

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Speaker 10: speech speech today, it was the significance of where she

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Speaker 10: gave it. I think that she delivered a speech that

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Speaker 10: reminded her of her audience of the end of the

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Speaker 10: Trump presidency.

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Speaker 2: Have listen, we know who Donald Trump is.

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Speaker 12: He is the person who stood at this very spot

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Speaker 12: nearly four years ago and sent an armed mob to

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Speaker 12: the United States Capital to overturn the will of the

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Speaker 12: people in a free and fair election, an election that he.

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Speaker 2: Knew he lost.

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Speaker 12: Americans died as a result of that attack, And while

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Speaker 12: Donald Trump sat in the White House watching, he was

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Speaker 12: told by his staff that the mob wanted to kill

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Speaker 12: his own vice president, and Donald Trump responded with two words,

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Speaker 12: So what, America, that's who Donald Trump is?

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Speaker 10: Well, and it's true. I mean they said that they

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Speaker 10: wanted to hang Mike pens And Trump was told that

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Speaker 10: by his staff. I went back to check it out,

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Speaker 10: and look, the man is to me unbelievable as a

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Speaker 10: candidate for the United States presidency. Of course, you played

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Speaker 10: that clip earlier on of him saying that he wanted

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Speaker 10: the death penalty for all immigrants who killed any Americans. Well,

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Speaker 10: for his knowledge, many of the millions of Porto Ricans,

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Speaker 10: for example, who have now gone to the United States,

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Speaker 10: they are American citizens. So I don't know what he's

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Speaker 10: talking about.

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Speaker 2: He's not having a cracked I don't want to be

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Speaker 2: defending the guy, but he's not having a cracked perto Ricans.

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Speaker 2: The comedian had a cracked Porto Ricans.

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Speaker 10: This is a chap called Hunchcliffe's. Trump hasn't denied it,

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Speaker 10: They will apologize for it. He used crass language, joking

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Speaker 10: that Latinos loved making babies, and then went on to

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Speaker 10: make that remark that sparked the immigration turmoil.

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Speaker 17: It is absolutely wild times, it really really is.

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Speaker 11: And you know, there's a lot going on.

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Speaker 17: Like I don't know if you guys know this, but

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Speaker 17: there's literally a floating island of garbage in the middle

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Speaker 17: of the ocean right now.

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Speaker 11: Yeah.

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Speaker 17: I think it's called Puerto Rico.

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Speaker 14: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: And the thing is that the Puerto Rico is a

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Speaker 10: protected protectorate of the United States. All its citizens are

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Speaker 10: American citizens, and you know, for Trump not to distance

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Speaker 10: himself from that, to me is sort of unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: So you think that he's not going to be president

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Speaker 2: because no one could possibly elect the space.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, but look, I know you're going to say that.

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Speaker 10: And I just wonder where Americans heads are at when

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Speaker 10: they look at a man like Donald Trump and say

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Speaker 10: that he's a serious individual. I mean, you have to

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Speaker 10: be joking a remember rocket man from North Coore. You know,

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Speaker 10: he had us on the brink of nuclear destruction. Men

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Speaker 10: with Kim Jong On threatening to fire missiles. I mean,

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Speaker 10: this man, I think is an absolute danger to the world.

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Speaker 2: You've got to protect your heart.

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Speaker 10: If I was an American would be most concerned that

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Speaker 10: this man is even standing.

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Speaker 2: Again, should Candice Owens be allowed into the country or not?

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Speaker 10: Ah, Yes, I believe so. And it's the old story.

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Speaker 10: I mean, if New Zealanders don't want to engage with owns,

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Speaker 10: don't turn up to see her, I mean, I don't

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Speaker 10: care what she's got to say. She can say what

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Speaker 10: she likes. I mean, she has questioned ridiculous things. I mean,

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Speaker 10: she's as bad as a former incumbent that we've been

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Speaker 10: talking about in the White House. She questioned criticizes feminism,

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Speaker 10: she criticizes the black Lives Matter movement and trans people.

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Speaker 10: So what I mean that's her entitlement. She's not running

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Speaker 10: for office though, she's simply giving her views. I'm i

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Speaker 10: to tell you what. She's got a lot of followers.

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Speaker 10: She's got two point eight million subscribers to her YouTube channel,

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Speaker 10: and that's got over nine hundred videos that have been

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Speaker 10: viewed viewed three hundred and forty nine million times. So

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Speaker 10: she's got a following out there. I don't think i'd

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Speaker 10: go along to listen to her, but you know, if

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Speaker 10: people want to pay fifteen hundred dollars a table, let

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Speaker 10: them do it.

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Speaker 2: Brilliant Stuffberry, Thank you very much. Barry Soaper, senior political correspondent,

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Speaker 2: eight away from five, putting the.

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Speaker 1: Tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic, asking breakfast.

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Speaker 3: And the eer.

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Speaker 13: The Education Review Office claims chronically absent students cost the

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Speaker 13: state three times as much as.

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Speaker 3: Those going to school.

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Speaker 2: The head of Bro's Education Evaluation Center, Ruth you notice backwell,

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Speaker 2: this is be depressed about.

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Speaker 18: This, Barry.

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Speaker 19: We think we've got a chumic absence crisis. And I

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Speaker 19: bought the number of students of chronic absence in the

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Speaker 19: last decade and actually nearly trickled him primary school.

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Speaker 3: How do you explain them?

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Speaker 19: So as soon as we talked to said as a

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Speaker 19: range of factors, the whols them said their mental health

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Speaker 19: and issues, but being buried at school or not setting

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Speaker 19: say at schools and issues, or things going in their

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Speaker 19: family lives, for example, moving around a lot. But what

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Speaker 19: we do know is the support we've got in place

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Speaker 19: to respond to this is just not adequate and isn't

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Speaker 19: adequately resolved.

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Speaker 2: Back tomorrow at six am, the mic asking Breakfast with

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Speaker 2: the rain driver of the lamb used talk zb here

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Speaker 2: the blessed Barry's little cotton socks. He actually believes Americans

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Speaker 2: won't vote Trump back him because they will recognize what

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Speaker 2: on egotistical idioty is. Yeah, right here, what Barry said

662
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Speaker 2: is everything I love about Trump. Hither there were actually

663
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Speaker 2: no wars during Donald Trump's term. You know Barry is

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Speaker 2: going to be wrong next Wednesday A and you know

665
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Speaker 2: that we are going to rub it in because he's irrational.

666
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 2: It's completely irrational about Trump. He just can't I can't

667
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Speaker 2: see He's like, nobody's going to vote for their guy

668
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,239
Speaker 2: as an idiot. The end, Well, obviously there are pen

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Speaker 2: plenty of people voting for the idiot and just look

670
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Speaker 2: at the pulse. What about both way just on something

671
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 2: completely different, feel sort of like same same kind of

672
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 2: vibe as the old Candice Owen band that we've been

673
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 2: talking about. What about Chris Luxon saying that he's open

674
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Speaker 2: to banning the sigh hail salute because the monkeys do

675
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 2: it in Australia's banned it. I mean, he was asked

676
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Speaker 2: about this, He was asked whether he would consider doing

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Speaker 2: the same thing as Australian and he's like, yeah, I'm

678
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 2: open to having that conversation. Why why do you want

679
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 2: to ban the monkeys from saying? Segale? Literally, who's offended

680
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 2: by this? Who is offended by the Mongrel Mob pulling

681
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 2: the Nazi salute? I mean, in order to be offended,

682
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Speaker 2: you'd have to believe that they actually knew what they

683
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Speaker 2: would Idiots? I mean, does there anybody dumber than a

684
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Speaker 2: Mongrel Mob member? Do you know what I mean? They

685
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Speaker 2: are widely recognized as of the two gangs, the two

686
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Speaker 2: dumbest gangs being the Mongrel Mob and the Black Power,

687
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Speaker 2: And the Mungrel Mob's right there anyway, It's actually kind

688
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 2: of mildly ridiculous, isn't it seeing a mongrel mob member

689
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Speaker 2: pull a Nazi salute from the Second World War. I

690
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 2: think they were going to be offended by But anyway,

691
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Speaker 2: we'll talk to the huddle. It's just we we'll talk

692
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Speaker 2: to the huddle when they're with us later on, later on,

693
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 2: next hour. First up, though, we're gonna have a little

694
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 2: chat to Jack Tame, who's been at that Kamala Harris rally.

695
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 2: My suspicion is that she has not managed to do

696
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 2: enough because she spent too long talking about Trump and

697
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 2: not enough about the economy. But we'll get Jack's take

698
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 2: because he actually sat through the whole thing. And then

699
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 2: after that, Erica Stanford on what she's doing for the

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Speaker 2: Lake Allie survivors, news Talk said, by.

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Speaker 1: Pressing the newspakers to get the real story, it's hither

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Speaker 1: duplessy Ellen drive with one New zealand let's get connected.

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Speaker 3: News Talk said b.

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Speaker 12: It is time to turn the page on the drama

705
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Speaker 12: and the conflict, the fear and division. It is time

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Speaker 12: for a new generation of leadership.

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Speaker 7: In amer.

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Speaker 2: That's the message from Kamala Harris, who's just delivered her

709
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 2: closing presidential picture was a thirty minute address from the

710
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Speaker 2: same spot that Trump stood prior to the Capitol Rights

711
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 2: Jack Taymee was in the crowdeds with us. Now, hey Jack, Hey, Now,

712
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 2: she spent a lot of time talking about Trump. But

713
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Speaker 2: did she actually spend enough time talking about the things

714
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Speaker 2: that voters really care about, which is the economy and

715
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 2: the cost of living crisis.

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Speaker 20: Well, yeah, that's what they say they care about, right,

717
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 20: But I think it's just impossible to have an election

718
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 20: with Donald Trump that isn't at least in some significant

719
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 20: way about Donald Trump.

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Speaker 15: But yeah, looks at she kind of split it into

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Speaker 15: two parts.

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Speaker 20: So she did the first part focusing almost entirely on Trump,

723
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Speaker 20: prosecuting Trump, talking about how he kind of betrayed the

724
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Speaker 20: American democracy. And then in the second half she tried

725
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Speaker 20: to lay that layout an alternative vision again, you know,

726
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Speaker 20: taking a few points to attack him.

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Speaker 15: But she you know, she laid out various tax quits.

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Speaker 20: That she supported, and things to make sure that insulin

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Speaker 20: prices would remain low, presumably things that are you know,

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Speaker 20: that her team think are important to American voters. But yeah,

731
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Speaker 20: like I say, it's kind of hard to imagine that

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Speaker 20: any election. But Donald Trump doesn't have some of the

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Speaker 20: personal stuff involved.

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Speaker 7: Why was she.

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Speaker 2: Delivering a closing address when there are still a week

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Speaker 2: to go in the campaign.

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Speaker 15: Well, I think because they're worried about momentum.

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Speaker 3: That's my theory.

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Speaker 20: And you know, it was really interesting tonight like that

740
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Speaker 20: the symbolism was everything.

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Speaker 15: It wasn't really the message that mattered. It was a symbolism.

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Speaker 20: It was an amazing set, as you say, right there

743
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Speaker 20: at the Ellipse, directly in front of the White House,

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Speaker 20: So anyone tuning in on television would have seen Kamala

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Speaker 20: Harris coming out beautifully lit with the White House directly

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Speaker 20: behind her. You know, it was that the classic quality

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Speaker 20: that American political commentators always talked about.

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Speaker 15: You know, the effort to look presidential. Well, I don't

749
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Speaker 15: think anyone could deny that she looked presidential.

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Speaker 20: But my sense is that the Democrats are a little

751
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 20: bit nervous that they have been slipping the polls over

752
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 20: the last few weeks. They're trying to reclaim some momentum.

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Speaker 20: But yeah, it's hardly like this is. It might be

754
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Speaker 20: her closing argument, but it's not going to be her

755
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 20: closing speech. The elections a week away she's going to

756
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 20: be addressing crowds every day right up until election Day

757
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 20: and presumably giving the same message. But I think they

758
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 20: really tried to tried to seize a bit of momentum

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00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 20: back heating the last week.

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Speaker 2: But overshadowed by Biden's faux pas. Do you reckon Biden

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00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 2: was calling? Was he caused? Was he calling Trump supporters garbage?

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Speaker 2: Or was he actually calling the guy the comedian garbage?

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Speaker 20: The way I just watched it without having read anything first,

764
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Speaker 20: the way I interpret it when I watched it was

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Speaker 20: that he was calling Trump supporters garbage.

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Speaker 15: That's the way I interpret it.

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Speaker 20: So it seems crazy that they'll put them put themselves

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Speaker 20: in a position where he would say that. That being said,

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Speaker 20: I can't imagine there are any really, really die hard

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Speaker 20: Trump supporters have been planning on voting for Trump right

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Speaker 20: up till now, but were put off because of the commandit.

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Speaker 2: Mobilizes them the other day, mobilizing No, no, no, no no.

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Speaker 20: I think I think it's more likely there are some

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Speaker 20: marginal voters in Pennsylvania, potentially Puerto Rican who might have

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Speaker 20: been dissuaded from voting for Trump. But I don't think

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00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 20: Trump's keenest supporters are going to be turning on them

777
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 20: over those comments, and Biden is unlikely to affect much

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Speaker 20: for that very same reason.

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Speaker 3: Right Like it may.

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Speaker 20: Maybe the bear Puerto Rican voters in Pennsylvania who were

781
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 20: a bit annoyed at Trump the other day and are

782
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 20: now a bit annoyed at Biden, But I don't know,

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00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 20: we're maybe stretching along vote there.

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Speaker 2: Maybe so Hey, Jack, thanks very much, really appreciate it. Jack,

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Speaker 2: tame Q and A present to host a Saturday Mornings

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Speaker 2: on z BE. Probably the biggest problem is that Carla

787
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 2: wanted everybody to be talking about Carla, but now they're

788
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 2: talking instead, not about Carmela but about Joe Biden, aren't they?

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Speaker 2: Five to eleven forgive a bit of a win for

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Speaker 2: survivors of Lake Alice. Today, the government's announced it will

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Speaker 2: reimburse the survivors for around twenty seven thousand dollars worth

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Speaker 2: of legal fees each, which dates back to a settlement

793
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 2: with the government in two thousand and one where the

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Speaker 2: law firm acting for the survivors clipped the ticket. Eric

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Speaker 2: Stanford is the Minister in charge of the Abuse and

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Speaker 2: Care Response. Hee Erica, Hi, how are you why, well,

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Speaker 2: thank you? Why are you doing this?

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Speaker 21: Look, it's the right thing to do. It's been over

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Speaker 21: twenty years of it and historical injustice whereby one group

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Speaker 21: of Lake Alie survivors had their legal fees deducted from

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Speaker 21: their redress whereas subsequent groups didn't. And look, many subsequent

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Speaker 21: governments have chosen not to write this, but it is

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Speaker 21: the right thing to do and Cabinet have made that

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Speaker 21: decision that we will reimburse their legal fees.

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Speaker 2: Should the law firm Grant Cameron and associates have clipped

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Speaker 2: the ticket like this?

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Speaker 21: Look, that's a question for mister Cameron that you'll have

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Speaker 21: to put to him.

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Speaker 2: But should they have word agree? I mean the counterfactors

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Speaker 2: they would have worked for free, should they have no?

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Speaker 21: Obviously lawyers are allowed to take a certain percentage. And

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Speaker 21: the thing for the government though, is it in the

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Speaker 21: second round and subsequent redress claims that we've had we

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Speaker 21: have paid the legal fees for all of those Lake

815
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Speaker 21: Alis claimants and we didn't for the first round and

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Speaker 21: it's just not been put right and now it has been.

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Speaker 2: Do you have a problem with how much they clipped

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Speaker 2: the ticket? Because forty percent a lot.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, Look, as I said, I just don't want to

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Speaker 21: get into that. It's a question for mister Cameron. We're

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Speaker 21: just putting it right.

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Speaker 2: Are you going to I mean, are you seeking any

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Speaker 2: reimbursement from the firm or are you just going to

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00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 2: double pay this? Basically, no, we're not.

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Speaker 21: We will just be We will just be paying those

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Speaker 21: claimants back.

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Speaker 2: How many of the ninety five who settled in two

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Speaker 2: thousand and one are still alive?

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Speaker 21: It's hard to say. We don't have all of the information.

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Speaker 21: You know, we are thinking about seventy. But look, we

831
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Speaker 21: will see who comes forward. We've left it open. We're

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Speaker 21: going to make it in the expedited process and we'll

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Speaker 21: see who comes forward. We don't have, unfortunately, all of

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Speaker 21: their details. We've got many details, and some of them

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Speaker 21: I'm in touch with myself. But there will be many

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Speaker 21: of them that we have old information for so we're

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Speaker 21: relying on them to come forward to us.

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Speaker 2: And where are you at with the final settlement? How

839
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 2: far away is that yet?

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Speaker 21: In terms of like Alice, the redress for torture, the

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Speaker 21: Prime Minister has said on the rec or that it

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Speaker 21: is a priority for us this year. We've been working

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Speaker 21: through the finer details and we're taking papers through cabinet.

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Speaker 2: Erica really quickly, because of course you are the Education

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Speaker 2: Minister as well. What do you make of that AER

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Speaker 2: report today on the.

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Speaker 21: Truancy Completely unsurprising. We've known for a long time that,

848
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Speaker 21: you know, our kids aren't going to school. The chronic

849
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 21: numbers you know, we've known have been increasing. I think

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Speaker 21: that the really key question is schools can't deal with

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Speaker 21: us on their own. These are you know, for some

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Speaker 21: of these children that are transient, they've got severe trauma

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Speaker 21: in their lives, dysfunctional homes, many of them have been

854
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Speaker 21: severely bullied. So look, I think schools are going to

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Speaker 21: need a lot of support, not only from the Ministry

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Speaker 21: of Education but from other departments as well.

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Speaker 2: Erica, thanks very much appreciated, Erica Stanford, Minister responsible for

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Speaker 2: the government's response to the Abuse and Care inquiry, also

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Speaker 2: Education Minister. On the eighty thousand children according to this

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Speaker 2: ERA report, who are chronically absent in term two this year,

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Speaker 2: this is what happens to these kids, right, This is

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Speaker 2: why we should when they hit twenty years old. Half

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Speaker 2: of the ones who were chronically absent did not have

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Speaker 2: level two NCA, so half of them don't go on

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Speaker 2: to get Level two NCAA. Nearly half of them, at

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Speaker 2: the age of twenty five are on welfare. That's what

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Speaker 2: happens later in life. David Seymour, the Associate Minister of

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Speaker 2: ourth who's responsible for dealing with truancy, is with us

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Speaker 2: after half past five. Right now it's quarter pass. I'm

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Speaker 2: going to get to some of the texts in the

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Speaker 2: minutes eighteen past five. First we've got to talk about

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Speaker 2: the old perennial issue of the All Blacks doing the hakker,

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Speaker 2: because that's come up again, isn't it. English prop Joe

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Speaker 2: marler Is tweeted the hakker needs binning. It's ridiculous. Joining

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Speaker 2: us now with his thoughts on this, as former All

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Speaker 2: Blacks coach Laurie Mains Lurrie, the hell are you? I'm

877
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 2: very well, thank you? What do you reckon about what

878
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 2: he's had to say?

879
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 5: Well, I'll be serious for a minute. The harka is

880
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 5: a long standing tradition with the All Blacks. It's appreciated

881
00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 5: by the players and usually by the crowds, and more importantly,

882
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 5: it represents our multi cultural rugby society.

883
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 2: Yes, and now, if you're not being serious.

884
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 5: Who would want to take any offense at what Joe

885
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:20,399
Speaker 5: Marla says. After all, he's a front row prop and

886
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 5: he wouldn't have a clue where the harker stands in

887
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 5: New Zealand rugby.

888
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a fair point. Actually, he made an interesting point.

889
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 2: I just wonder if he's got a point on this

890
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 2: one where he said it's only really interesting when the

891
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 2: opposing team offers some sort of response, and that, to

892
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 2: be honest, Laurie, is the bit that I like. I

893
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 2: like to see what they've got to say for themselves.

894
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 2: Is he has he got a point there?

895
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 5: Yes he has, and that they I mean the in

896
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 5: the true to tradition of the harker. You know that

897
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 5: Mary was one Mary would one tribe would do his harker,

898
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,399
Speaker 5: the other tribe would do their, and then they were

899
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 5: into it. So if teams want to organize a response

900
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 5: to the harker, I'm with them all the way. Now

901
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 5: they won't be as fearsome as our harker.

902
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 2: This is true. Is there is it possible that we

903
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 2: are overdoing it now that we have so many international tests.

904
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 2: You know, back in the day we didn't really and

905
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 2: even then we'd only do it for away games. But

906
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 2: now we're doing it all the time out away and

907
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 2: home games, and it does it does feel like, I

908
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 2: don't know, it doesn't feel quite as special.

909
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 10: Well.

910
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 5: I think that is because every man and his dog

911
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 5: does harker, and that the harker is represented in the

912
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 5: areas that I'm sure that the Maris didn't intend that.

913
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,720
Speaker 5: Now I'm going to stir things up a bit here, Heather,

914
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 5: I don't believe in all of the marriage studies I

915
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 5: did at school, the Wahini never did harkers.

916
00:43:58,719 --> 00:43:59,399
Speaker 2: What do they do?

917
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 5: They didn't do anything. They didn't fight.

918
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 2: Well, that's true.

919
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 5: The ladies didn't enter.

920
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 18: Into fights the role.

921
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, now, I I mean it doesn't bother me.

922
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 5: The the A lot of Mary sports women or sorry,

923
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 5: a lot of New Zealand sports teams that are a

924
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 5: woman do the harker and I've got no problem with it.

925
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 5: But I just wonder if we are overdoing it.

926
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 2: Yes, well, this is the point that I'm trying to make. Yeah,

927
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 2: and that and the national anthem, we've scrapped a lot

928
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 2: of it. Hey, thank you very much. Laurie appreciated Larry

929
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 2: Mains for Wall Blacks coach Heather read the Biden comments

930
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 2: as that sort of arrogance by the Democrats that allowed

931
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 2: Trump into the game to start with. I agree, I

932
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 2: totally agree. That's a fair point, because remember a lot

933
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,240
Speaker 2: of the Trump vote is a kind of anti elite,

934
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,439
Speaker 2: anti establishment vote. If you've got somebody in their league

935
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,879
Speaker 2: going and your garbage, whether or I still don't think

936
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 2: Biden was actually talking about supporters, but the fact that

937
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 2: the story narrative will overtake the facts from here on

938
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 2: and people will think that and if you hear that,

939
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 2: then that's pretty elitist of him, isn't it. And that's

940
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 2: a bit sucky, And now you're gonna like Trump even

941
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:11,280
Speaker 2: more potentially Listen big day Tomorrow, the Transport and Accident

942
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 2: Investigation Commission TAIICE is releasing its interim reportant to the

943
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 2: grounding of the Tea back in June, remember when it

944
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 2: just sort of casually lodged itself on the Sandy Beach

945
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 2: that one. So what that means is we're gonna find

946
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 2: out a whole bunch of stuff that up to now

947
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 2: nobody's been able to tell us, Like why didn't the

948
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 2: crew on the bridge know that the hat to press

949
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 2: that button? To disable the autopilot for five seconds? Why

950
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 2: didn't they know they had to press it for five seconds? Also,

951
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 2: was Winnie p Wright and somebody ducked off to have

952
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 2: a coffee the one person who possibly knew you had

953
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 2: to press it for five seconds. All those questions will

954
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 2: be answered tomorrow, and I cannot wait. Five twenty two.

955
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: Heather Duplicy Allen cutting through the noise to get the facts.

956
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:59,320
Speaker 1: It's Heather Duplicy Allen drive with one New Zealand let's

957
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 1: get connected a news talk as they'd be here.

958
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 2: The Nazi puro women have always done the Harker, So

959
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 2: Laurie was wrong on Thanks for that. Twenty five past five. Listen,

960
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 2: If Jeff Bezos wants to restore trust in the media

961
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 2: by killing endorsements of presidential candidates, he's making a mistake,

962
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 2: because I reckon, this is only going to make trust

963
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 2: in the media worse. Now, if you haven't caught up

964
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 2: on this, a bit of kerfuffle over in the States.

965
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 2: What's happened is at the Washington Post, which is the

966
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:24,280
Speaker 2: newspaper that Jeff Bezos owns, was going to endorse Karmala

967
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 2: Harris for president. But then Bezos intervened and stopped it happening,

968
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:31,320
Speaker 2: and staffers quit in protest, and now two hundred and

969
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,879
Speaker 2: fifty thousand subscribers and counting have canceled their payments as well,

970
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 2: presumably in protest. Now, Bezos said that he did that

971
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 2: because presidential endorsements quote create a perception of bias. But

972
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 2: he's wrong. They don't. That bias already exists. It's not

973
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 2: there because of the endorsement. It is already there. I mean,

974
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 2: think about the New Zealand media landscape. We don't do

975
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 2: endorsements here, do we, and yet we constantly talk about

976
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 2: media bias in the New Zealand landscape because that bias

977
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 2: is in every thing that a media outlet does. So

978
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 2: it's in the kind of story a media outlet will choose.

979
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 2: You know, a conservative outfit would probably go harder on

980
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,399
Speaker 2: Ginny Anderson for her King tweet, but a left wing

981
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 2: outfit would probably go harder on Andrew Bailey for pulling

982
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 2: the owl sign and doing the dad joke at the staffer.

983
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,359
Speaker 2: It's the way they tell the story as well, right,

984
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 2: So it's not just the story they pick, but also

985
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 2: how they tell it. A left leaning outfit would argue

986
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 2: on a capital gains tax that we need one, and

987
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 2: a right leaning outfit would argue on a capital gains

988
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 2: tax that we don't need one. And it's also in

989
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,280
Speaker 2: the kind of words that they use. A left leaning

990
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 2: outfit would call Trump a tyrant, a right leaning outfit

991
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 2: would talk about his successes in the job. The giveaways

992
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 2: are there regardless of a presidential endorsement. That bias is

993
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 2: already obvious to people. I actually think people are okay

994
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 2: with bias as long as the media honest outlet is

995
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 2: honest about it and doesn't pretend that the bias isn't there.

996
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 9: Right.

997
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 2: It's when the media outlet pretends that they are not

998
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 2: biased and that they straight down the middle that is

999
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 2: when people lose trust. Bezos would be better off leaving

1000
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 2: the endorsement there so that people know which way the

1001
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 2: Washington Post leans, rather than trying to hide the bias,

1002
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 2: because people are going to see it anyway. They see

1003
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 2: it in places like New Zealand as well. Togither we're

1004
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 2: going to talk to a huddle about that. Also, I

1005
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 2: can't understand this, Okay, you remember how health New Zealand

1006
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 2: got busted for those cannipeys. They spent like nine grand

1007
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 2: on it. Well, they've just been busted for another conference

1008
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 2: this time. The conference was at Auckland's Eden Park October

1009
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,399
Speaker 2: last year, so a full year ago, basically to the day.

1010
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 2: Basically to the day at eden Park they held a conference.

1011
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 2: Catering costs ninety six thousand dollars, then you hire another

1012
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 2: twenty thousand dollars and the people that Health New Zealand

1013
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:47,439
Speaker 2: had at the conference were four hundred finance stuff. Now,

1014
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 2: why do you need a conference for finance stuff? What?

1015
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,839
Speaker 2: Who aren't we just talking about people here who fill

1016
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 2: out like Excel spreadsheets and pay bills and stuff like that.

1017
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 2: What do you need to talk about? Do you need

1018
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 2: to compare notes about how much your doctor's earning or

1019
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,280
Speaker 2: like do you need help with your Excel? Spring cheets?

1020
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 2: Like why are you having a conference? I don't get

1021
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:11,359
Speaker 2: it anyway. Rob Campbell, as we formerly boss there, he's

1022
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 2: with us on the huddle. Maybe he can explain soon.

1023
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 2: Headline's next.

1024
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,280
Speaker 3: Hard Questions Strong opinion.

1025
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 1: Heather duper c Allen drive with One New Zealand let's

1026
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 1: get connected and news talks.

1027
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 7: It'd be.

1028
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 22: Taken by the way on the situation with Chris lux

1029
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 22: and thinking about potentially banning the Nazi salute because the

1030
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 22: Munkies are doing it, and they did it yesterday at

1031
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 22: fats Is Tonguey.

1032
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 2: We're going to talk to Paul Spoonlee about that after six.

1033
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 2: He's a researcher who's looked quite a lot into the

1034
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 2: radical right. I feel like there won't be that much

1035
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 2: overlap between the radical right and the munk mob, but anyway,

1036
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 2: he'll have some thoughts on whether there's any value in

1037
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 2: actually banning something like this. The huddle standing by to

1038
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 2: have a chat to us very shortly. Hither can you

1039
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 2: please ask at Y Sandringham Dominion wrote amount Eden Roads

1040
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,800
Speaker 2: a chokker with bumper to bumper traffic. There's no signs

1041
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 2: warning of roadworks, but cones every it's not because mate

1042
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 2: Drew Drew. There's a Travis Scott concert on tonight at

1043
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 2: Eden Park. Where have you been? Everybody knows about the

1044
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 2: Travis Scott concert. There's a massive, massive consertn no roadworks

1045
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 2: as a massive concert on tonight, which by the way,

1046
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 2: I am going to and I literally know not a

1047
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 2: single Travis Scott song. And we are all very worried

1048
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 2: about the state of me because I don't know if

1049
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 2: you know this, but ands didn't people die at a

1050
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 2: Travis Scott concert one time or a couple of times? Yeah,

1051
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 2: there was the crowd crush and then wasn't there a

1052
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 2: lightning strike? Or am I just like now embellishing the

1053
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 2: story completely. There might have been the lightning strike. We're

1054
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 2: not sure. Anyway, I don't want to make it a

1055
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 2: trifector because you know, one turns up with a gigantic

1056
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 2: baby and one's tummy and then you're at the Traviscott concerts.

1057
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 2: So wished me luck. But anyway, there's your answer to

1058
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 2: the traffic issues. So watch out around there. Twenty three

1059
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 2: away from six, Heather do for Sea Allen, the Education

1060
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 2: Review Office reckons we're now at a crisis point over

1061
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 2: chronic school absences in New Zealand. The ERA report out

1062
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 2: today says eighty thousand kids were chronically absent in term two. Now,

1063
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 2: David Seymour is the Associate Associate Education Minister responsible for

1064
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 2: dealing with true and seeing. He's with us. Now, Hey, David, hi, Heather,

1065
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 2: do you reckon that the changes that you're making is

1066
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 2: going to fix this?

1067
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:32,760
Speaker 18: I do the headline figure that's shocked everybody of about

1068
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:36,760
Speaker 18: eighty thousand, so one in ten students being chronically absent.

1069
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 18: We've known that for a while from the data that

1070
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 18: we publish each term. It's crept up over the last

1071
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 18: ten years, and I think it's fair to say it's

1072
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 18: a crisis. However, the useful parts of the report that

1073
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,919
Speaker 18: I commissioned from Aero is that it shows why things

1074
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:56,320
Speaker 18: aren't working. You've got too many people who aren't talking

1075
00:51:56,360 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 18: to each other, attendance services of varying quality, police and

1076
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 18: MSD and I rung A tama Viki not really integrated

1077
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 18: into the system. And what I'm proposing and building up

1078
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 18: this year as STAR, which we call Step to Attendance

1079
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 18: Response System. It has a role for everybody, parents critically,

1080
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 18: but also students and the school and the different government

1081
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 18: agencies like the Attendance Services, I rung A, Tamaiki, police

1082
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 18: and so on. Because where I've seen success and this

1083
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 18: is why I believe it will work. There's places like

1084
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 18: glen in this School in East Auckland, Freiburg High in

1085
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 18: Palmerston North, places like Burnside and christ Church where I

1086
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,839
Speaker 18: Visabeth and I've found that they're getting success because they

1087
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 18: have a group of people, partly in the school, partly

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Speaker 18: in the community, who all work together. They're not shy

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Speaker 18: about breaking privacy laws that they really have to, and

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Speaker 18: we're going to have information sharing agreements amongst the departments

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Speaker 18: as part of this too, and they actually do everything

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Speaker 18: possible to stop kids for coming through it, get them

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Speaker 18: back if they are, and keep them there, reintegrate them

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Speaker 18: so that they stay. What the euro report shows is

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Speaker 18: that while that's possible, it only happens in a few places.

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Speaker 18: The norm is miscoordination, and that's what the Star system

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Speaker 18: is designed to fix.

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Speaker 2: David, if Chris Luxen considers this ban on the Nazi

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Speaker 2: salute by the mongrel mob and then takes it all

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Speaker 2: the way through to cabinet and it gets to the

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Speaker 2: cabinet stage, would you support it.

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Speaker 18: Well, I'm pretty skeptical about any restriction on speech. The

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Speaker 18: problem with standing for free speech is you always end

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Speaker 18: up defending people that you wouldn't want to have over

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Speaker 18: for dinner yourself. So you know, I absolutely bore any

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Speaker 18: kind of Nazi symbolism. But there's another argument that if

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Speaker 18: people do have really stupid views like that and are

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Speaker 18: willing to self identify by making these symbols, then maybe

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Speaker 18: we should let them they doing us all the favor, because.

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Speaker 2: We know that that's stupid. David, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: David Seymour Eggs pot of Leader and of course Associate

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Speaker 2: Minister of Education. Twenty away from six the Huddle.

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Speaker 1: With New Zealand Southerby's International Realty, Local and global exposure like.

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Speaker 2: No other On the Huddle with me, Nick Legget Infrastructure

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Speaker 2: New Zealand and Rob Campbell at Chancellor in former Health

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Speaker 2: New Zealand schare Hello are you too?

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Speaker 3: Hello afternoon, comrade.

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Speaker 8: Who are you.

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00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 2: Trying to trigger by saying that.

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Speaker 3: I didn't know what trigger anybody?

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Speaker 2: It felt pointed, didn't it? Nick? I don't believe this

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Speaker 2: protestation of innocence to you.

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Speaker 8: I thought it was amusing.

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Speaker 2: Listen, Rob, I do need to talk to you about

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Speaker 2: this conference. How please explain to me why Health New

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Speaker 2: Zealand needs to get four hundred finance people into a

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Speaker 2: room together. What's the value in that?

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Speaker 23: I would say zero? It never happened when I was

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Speaker 23: involved with Tatura. And that's really the issue of these

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Speaker 23: things that I mean, whether that costs X y Z

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Speaker 23: decayed for them or not as not really a very

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Speaker 23: big part of the cost. I don't think the question

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Speaker 23: is whether you need to have who of the size

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Speaker 23: of this type at all and what the priorities that

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Speaker 23: are being applied are. So yeah, I think it's very

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Speaker 23: disappointing to hear that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so Rob, if you and I cannot and we're

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Speaker 2: totally different life experiences, but neither of us and you

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Speaker 2: obviously know what you're talking about, neither of us actually

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Speaker 2: know why they need to have a conference like this,

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Speaker 2: Then why are they having a conference like this? This

1142
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Speaker 2: is just a bit of a whoy, a little get together.

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Speaker 23: I think my experiences, when you have a lot of managers,

1144
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Speaker 23: they tend to make things up for themselves to do.

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Speaker 23: And I think that's been a problem in health for

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Speaker 23: quite some time, not focusing on the real issues at

1147
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Speaker 23: the front line and focusing on these sorts of things.

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Speaker 23: I mean, there is a need to communicate and coordinate

1149
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Speaker 23: amongst the various finance teams that operate into Fartara, but

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Speaker 23: that does not have to happen, and in fact doesn't

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Speaker 23: most efficiently happen by getting them together for WHO that kind.

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Speaker 23: So I think it's a nonsense and the catering. It's

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Speaker 23: just a small part of it.

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Speaker 2: Nick, what proportion do you think of conferences in the

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Speaker 2: public sector? Are just parties no value otherwise.

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Speaker 8: Well, it's difficult to say. I mean, the thing is,

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Speaker 8: you do want to allow people the opportunity if it's

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Speaker 8: going to provide value for their organization and for their role,

1159
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 8: to be able to get together where it's needed. The

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00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 8: issue is it's hard to defend when it's four hundred

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Speaker 8: people who are already part of the same system. And

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Speaker 8: I think, as Rob says, it's not always the face

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Speaker 8: to face, it's actually this should be operating as one

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Speaker 8: system anyway. It becomes very hard to justify when you're

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Speaker 8: an organization under pressure and you know very much in

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Speaker 8: the red, Nick, is.

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Speaker 2: This stuff just happens because people are like, you know what,

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00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 2: we deserve a little we deserve at a little trip

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Speaker 2: to Eden Park and all Sky Stadium and if you cannopay,

1170
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Speaker 2: shall we do that. I feel like they're taking the mickey.

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Speaker 2: I feel like it's become part of the culture and

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Speaker 2: the public sector.

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Speaker 8: But the justification, if it's not ready and evident upon scrutiny,

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Speaker 8: then you know that it probably wasn't done for the

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Speaker 8: right reasons, and I haven't heard a good defense here,

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Speaker 8: So there you go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a wides.

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Speaker 23: I don't think it's limited to the public sector. You know,

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Speaker 23: these things happen a lot in the private sector as well,

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Speaker 23: and you know, one of the reasons. Funnily enough, I'm

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Speaker 23: not allowed to advertise for.

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Speaker 3: Anyone, am I.

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Speaker 23: But I was at an airline today, quite a big

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Speaker 23: one in New Zealand, and.

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Speaker 2: They were I wonder which one that is?

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Speaker 23: Yes, carry on, Yeah, Well they were complaining about, you know,

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Speaker 23: the thirty percent drop in revenue that they're experienced. A

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Speaker 23: significant part of that is that people are not having

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Speaker 23: the number of conferences in the amount of travel that

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Speaker 23: they used to have. So you know, it possibly is

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Speaker 23: self correcting to some extent. But I wouldn't anyone like

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Speaker 23: anyone to think that this was purely a problem.

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Speaker 2: No, but you see the wrong. Here's the thing. If

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Speaker 2: you're a private company and you want to get your

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Speaker 2: people together for some kind of you know, cultural lift

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Speaker 2: or you know, like you want to you want to

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Speaker 2: lift the culture of the place or whatever, be my guest.

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Speaker 2: I'm not paying for it. But with the public sector,

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Speaker 2: we are which is why we hold them to account

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Speaker 2: in a different way.

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Speaker 23: Right, Well you are you are probably paying for it

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Speaker 23: if you're a customer, So it gets built into the

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Speaker 23: cost structure of the private organization. So you do end

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Speaker 23: up paying for it.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I suppose so through the text that you're not

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Speaker 11: able to avoid.

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Speaker 2: This is true. Yeah, all right, guys, at your point,

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Speaker 2: we'll take a break, come back very shortly.

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Speaker 1: Quarter to the huddles with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty

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Speaker 1: elevate the marketing of your home.

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Speaker 2: Right, you're back with the huddle, Nick Legand and Rob Campbell. Nick,

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Speaker 2: I'm keenan. You'll take on Jeff Bezos thinking that he's

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Speaker 2: fixing media bias by taking away presidential endorsements. What do

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Speaker 2: you think.

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Speaker 8: I would have had more sympathy for his position had

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Speaker 8: it head he uttered it three months ago, not right

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Speaker 8: at the point of the campaign, when the when the

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Speaker 8: endorsement was due. Look, it's different, it's a different environment,

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Speaker 8: isn't it, In the United States in terms of media

1220
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Speaker 8: intervention and endorsements, and in the United Kingdom as well

1221
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Speaker 8: to New Zealand. We tend to although you can sometimes

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Speaker 8: see a slant in the media. We tend to be

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00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 8: a little bit more independent independent here, and we don't

1224
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Speaker 8: expect to hear from our media. It seems to me

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Speaker 8: as though this is a bunch of billionaires hedging your

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Speaker 8: bets on Trump, and that concerns me a little bit

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Speaker 8: because I think you should have the courage of your convictions.

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Speaker 8: But that also means that you can have the courage

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Speaker 8: not to say anything, and that's what he's chosen to do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I sort of feel robed that. Actually I don't

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Speaker 2: mind media biased, but I don't want media pretend to

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Speaker 2: pretend that they're not biased when they are. And actually

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Speaker 2: a presidential endorsement is quite a nice little signal of

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Speaker 2: where you sit, and I appreciate that.

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Speaker 23: What do you think, Yeah, I had noticed that you

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00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 23: were in opposed to a bit of media bias here.

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Speaker 23: They're actually you for noticing that from time to time. Look,

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00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 23: everyone's biased about various things, and the idea that these

1239
00:59:56,480 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 23: papers have ever been particularly you know, objective, I think

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Speaker 23: I've got some real doubts about I think it's a

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Speaker 23: bit of a sideshow. Frankly, I think it's more for

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Speaker 23: someone like Bezos that someone like Musk is getting more

1243
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 23: publicity for being an idiot, so he thinks he wants

1244
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Speaker 23: to do the stimming dance by being an idiot as well.

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Speaker 3: And there's a.

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Speaker 23: Little bit of a pissing contest, isn't it, rather than

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Speaker 23: any genuine political content.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I suppose it's probably an elemented truth to that.

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Speaker 7: Nick.

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Speaker 2: What do you make of the cops opposing the fundraiser

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Speaker 2: for suicide serving any alcohol because of the link between

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Speaker 2: alcohol and suicide.

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Speaker 8: I think it is a complete overstep on behalf of

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Speaker 8: authorities this. I've read about the woman who was putting

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Speaker 8: on this event to draw attention to mental health and suicide.

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Speaker 8: She had been very open about her own struggles with

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Speaker 8: mental health. She was running a responsible event that had

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Speaker 8: been in pray that have been praised with its restriction

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Speaker 8: on stopping serving alcohol thirty minutes before the end and

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Speaker 8: having food throughout free water. It was an event that

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Speaker 8: was really I think, showcasing how alcohol can be a

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Speaker 8: moderate backdrop to a nice social event. That's what we

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01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:14,440
Speaker 8: should be aiming for as a country. Banning and stopping

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Speaker 8: brings out the very behaviors that the police and Department

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Speaker 8: of Health say that they're trying to stop. When you

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Speaker 8: ban something just and our record in this country is

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Speaker 8: there for everybody to see. We're the prohibition and six

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Speaker 8: o'clock closing. Get it, God get us. It got us

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Speaker 8: too much drinking and too short a time. And I

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Speaker 8: think we're still living with the consequences of that. Yes,

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Speaker 8: I think we should educate about alcohol, of course we should.

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Speaker 8: We should be upfront about it. We should be as

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Speaker 8: a society more conservative about the way New Zealanders drink

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Speaker 8: and our culture to drinking. But banning and having the

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Speaker 8: sort of finger waggers do this will have the opposite

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Speaker 8: impact of the one that they want.

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Speaker 2: How the copse become so weird about olcohol? Oh, we

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Speaker 2: can't hear you, Rob.

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Speaker 23: It's certainly going to cause some distress amongst police, social

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Speaker 23: clubs and other social activities if they start to apply

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Speaker 23: it more widely. And yeah, I don't think. I think

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Speaker 23: it'll be quite limited. And then you know, if you

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Speaker 23: take it to it's extreme. Why do you have alcohol

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Speaker 23: Imparliament when it's discussing important things and we all know

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Speaker 23: that there is alcohol there and that people sometimes have

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Speaker 23: one or two and even sometimes get a bit abusive

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Speaker 23: to the HOYPELOI when they're out meeting them. So this

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Speaker 23: is you know, the next point is quite right. There

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Speaker 23: are alcohol issues in New Zealand. They are quite serious.

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Speaker 23: But this is I think, frankly trivializing the real issues

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Speaker 23: of both suicide and alcohol by combining the two and

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Speaker 23: taking objections to this perfectly harmless activity.

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Speaker 2: Yep, I agree with you, okay, Nick? Yes or no?

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Speaker 2: The hakker before the All Blacks Games? Should it be

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Speaker 2: banned for being ridiculous?

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Speaker 7: No?

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Speaker 8: Of course not.

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Speaker 2: You love it?

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Speaker 8: Do you want me to go on? Go on? I

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Speaker 8: mean like some guy sort of from you know, the

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Speaker 8: UK gets sort of I don't know what, he gets

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Speaker 8: offended or he gets wound up about the hacker. Well,

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Speaker 8: it's kind of the point. And like it's a there's

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Speaker 8: a uniquely New Zealand display and also Oceany. If you

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Speaker 8: look at all the other Pacific nations that do a version,

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01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 8: that's the way that we can display that. It's it's

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01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 8: it's this country that's playing. It's what this country's indigenous

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Speaker 8: people do before they go into battle. It's a great

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Speaker 8: display and I think here we was proud of it

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01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 8: and we shouldn't be worried about what some opposing team says,

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Speaker 8: you don't go and find your own thing to do?

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Speaker 3: Mate, he rob you Yeah.

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Speaker 23: I think Joe Mahler is what Mark Mature would call

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Speaker 23: an idiot. People shouldn't take any notice of them.

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Speaker 2: Guys, thank you, really appreciate you take on everything today?

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01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:51,919
Speaker 2: Is Nick Legan and Rob Campbell a huddle this evening

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01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:54,160
Speaker 2: eight away from six on your.

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Speaker 1: Smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in your car

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01:03:56,880 --> 01:04:00,440
Speaker 1: on your drive home. Heather duper c Allen drive with

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Speaker 1: One New Zealand one Giant Leap for Business News Talk.

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Speaker 2: As it be, Heather, isn't the question actually with Health

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01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:09,920
Speaker 2: New Zealand more like why do they need four hundred

1323
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 2: finance people? That is a very good question. Maybe they

1324
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:14,720
Speaker 2: were getting together to decide who's going to get who's

1325
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 2: going to be the sacrifice, you know, like having a

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01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:20,680
Speaker 2: Hunger Games conference. I sacrifice to get out of this place.

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Speaker 2: Me three fingers in the air. Hither that's a bit

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01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 2: harsh on the finance team is that it was the

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01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 2: first one to get all of the finance team together

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01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 2: and contacts. Further to how prove consistency and approach each

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01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 2: district acted differently. Further, there was structuring per labor that

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01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 2: was happening, and yet again National is going through another

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Speaker 2: What about the costs of people? Oh my gosh, whatever,

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01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 2: it's not that hard with It's not like finance teams

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01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:45,520
Speaker 2: are not like I mean, I just think all of

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01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 2: these conferences are done. But definitely a finance team conference

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01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:50,560
Speaker 2: is done because you're dealing with numbers, right, Just send

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01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 2: out a note and you'd be like, this is how

1339
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 2: we do this. Now use that Excel spreadsheet, thanks very much.

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01:04:56,280 --> 01:05:00,920
Speaker 2: Put the numbers in like that, don't you anyway, you

1341
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 2: are going to be shocked to hear this. But there

1342
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 2: is opposition to David Seymour's food and schools program. Again

1343
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 2: more opposition. I know it's taken me. Stop press, it's

1344
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:17,880
Speaker 2: taken me by surprise. Headline, front page lead today the

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01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:21,080
Speaker 2: West Coast is upset because their school lunches are going

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01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:25,560
Speaker 2: to be made in Hamilton. I know, oh Hamilton, gross

1347
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:28,600
Speaker 2: who wants to eat Hamilton's food? The West Coast doesn't. Apparently.

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01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:32,560
Speaker 2: The headline is dismay as West Coast school lunch is

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01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:36,720
Speaker 2: set to be made in Hamilton on Friday. Local principles

1350
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:39,840
Speaker 2: express dismay about the change. They were unsure how it

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01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:42,520
Speaker 2: would work, or what extra cost it would mean? Work

1352
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:45,440
Speaker 2: it would mean for staff? What do you who cares?

1353
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:49,680
Speaker 2: Who cares you're going to get the food delivered to

1354
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:53,800
Speaker 2: your school? Who cares how it works? And what possible

1355
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 2: extra work would there be for staff apart from probably

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01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:00,240
Speaker 2: sticking it in the microwave if it's cold, all the

1357
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 2: oven or something like that. Oh my gosh, people, Honestly,

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01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:05,960
Speaker 2: I feel like we ought to just like chill out

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01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 2: a little bit. Look, Compass group is at some point

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01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 2: going to inevitably make a mistake. These are the people

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01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 2: making the food, right, they are going to stuff up

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01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:15,440
Speaker 2: at some point. That is a given. You cannot. I

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01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:18,960
Speaker 2: don't believe you can make three dollar meals every single

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01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 2: day for thousands of children for months on end and

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01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:24,120
Speaker 2: not make a stuff up Like there will one hundred

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Speaker 2: percent be a meal that arrives somewhere, probably the West Coast,

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01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:29,480
Speaker 2: to be honest, where like all the food is kerfuffly

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01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 2: and it looks headyous and maybe there's some mold and

1369
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 2: the package just dented. God only knows. At that point,

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Speaker 2: complain to your heart's content. But before we get to

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01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:40,520
Speaker 2: that point, can we just give it a chance please anyway,

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Speaker 2: Next up, let's talk to Paul Spoonlee about the money's doing,

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01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:45,360
Speaker 2: the old Nazi salution, whether it needs to be banned,

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01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:46,120
Speaker 2: news talks.

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Speaker 9: There be.

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Speaker 3: Can you be track of where the money is flowing?

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01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:58,520
Speaker 1: With a business hour we'd here the duplicy Allen and

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Speaker 1: my hr.

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Speaker 2: Evening coming up in the next hour, we're going to

1380
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 2: talk to the fastest growing region in the country to

1381
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 2: get their take on the government's building consent plans and

1382
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:14,720
Speaker 2: whether they're on board of it. Gnative Trainee will talk

1383
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:16,800
Speaker 2: us through B and Z's court battle tomorrow to shut

1384
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 2: down Gloria Vale's accounts and milfedd asset management on sparks troubles.

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Speaker 2: It's coming up eight past six now. The Prime Minister

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Speaker 2: says that he's open to having a discussion about banning

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Speaker 2: Nazi salutes and symbols. And this is because mongrel mob

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01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 2: members obviously use the hands signal your Nazi signal, along

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Speaker 2: with the expression sighil and they were pulling that out

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Speaker 2: yesterday at the Tonguey in Wellington. Sociologist Professor Paul Spoonley

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Speaker 2: is an expert in far right extremism and with us. Now, hey,

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Speaker 2: Paul did they Heather, do you support a ban?

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Speaker 24: No, I don't and I don't and I don't for

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01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 24: a couple of reasons. One is is it enforceable, And

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01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 24: it's going to be very interesting to see whether that

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01:07:57,320 --> 01:08:00,160
Speaker 24: is the case with the gang patch ban. And the

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01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:04,440
Speaker 24: second is doesn't have any effect because I think banning

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01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:07,120
Speaker 24: doesn't address underlying problems. And I would say the same

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Speaker 24: about swastikas and Nazis slots as I would about the

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Speaker 24: gang patch.

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Speaker 2: What is the underlying problem with the mangro moob that

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01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:15,800
Speaker 2: causes them to pull out this kind of a sign.

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01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:21,360
Speaker 24: Well, they when they were being established in the late

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01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:26,440
Speaker 24: nineteen sixties nineteen seventies, one of the signia and signs

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Speaker 24: and symbolism that they called upon was something that was

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01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:32,439
Speaker 24: deeply offensive to a lot of people, and so they

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01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:35,880
Speaker 24: used those Nazi symbols and signs, and they of course

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01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:40,560
Speaker 24: continue to do so. So it's what's called racially aggravated harassment.

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Speaker 24: And around the world around in Europe and other parts

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01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:50,679
Speaker 24: of the world, those sort of signs have been banned

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01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:55,680
Speaker 24: places like Switzerland, the UK, Poland and so on. We've

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01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:59,120
Speaker 24: never gone down that route, and so the banning of

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01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:02,479
Speaker 24: the gang pat which is quite an interesting departure. And

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Speaker 24: I think if the government's going to be consistent, it's

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01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:07,920
Speaker 24: going to have to say what else are we going

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01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:13,000
Speaker 24: to ban? Because you know you can't. I've always had

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01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:16,000
Speaker 24: a problem, Heather, with the way in which the police

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01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:18,800
Speaker 24: and corrections identify people. So when they talk about gangs,

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01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 24: they tend to talk about black power and mangral mob,

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01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:25,200
Speaker 24: whereas I've been researching the fourth Rank, which is a

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01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:29,360
Speaker 24: white supremacist gang in South Island prisons. Now, why don't

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01:09:29,400 --> 01:09:31,760
Speaker 24: you treat them in the same way and look at

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01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:34,760
Speaker 24: what they do and what sort of signs they use.

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01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:37,599
Speaker 24: But to go back to your first question, I think

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01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:39,759
Speaker 24: banning doesn't address the underlying issues.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of weird that we're looking at banning

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01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:43,519
Speaker 2: it now, isn't that. Like it's a real indication of

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Speaker 2: where we are at as a world, because in the

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Speaker 2: sixties and seventies, I would have imagined that them doing

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01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:51,680
Speaker 2: it back then would be far more offensive than it

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01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:53,479
Speaker 2: is now. Like as time has gone on, it just

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01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:55,960
Speaker 2: looks increasingly ridiculous, doesn't it. So if we didn't ban

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Speaker 2: it back in the sixties and seventies, why in God's

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01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 2: name sixty years later, Are we so so offended by it?

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Speaker 24: Yeah? I think some people are offended and for some

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01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:08,160
Speaker 24: people it has caused distress. So if you look at

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01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:11,679
Speaker 24: the at the Australian example, where they've banned Nazi saluts

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01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:15,200
Speaker 24: and symbols in New South Wales and Victoria, they've recognized

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01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:18,840
Speaker 24: that it is really distressing and very offensive to certain communities,

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Speaker 24: obviously the Jewish community, so they've used that as a justification.

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Speaker 24: But we've never we've never been very enthusiastic about that.

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01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:29,200
Speaker 24: So you go back to Jeffrey Palmer and some of

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01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 24: the things that he was asked to do and didn't do.

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Speaker 24: And then you look again at Paul East. I don't

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01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:38,720
Speaker 24: know whether you remember, but there was evidence that we

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01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 24: had war criminals come to New Zealand and so the

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01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:45,680
Speaker 24: government set up a particular group to investigate that did

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01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:48,759
Speaker 24: discover that there were war criminals here, but then chose

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Speaker 24: not to do anything about it. And that was both

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01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:54,000
Speaker 24: labor and national. So we've never been enthusiastic pud.

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Speaker 2: Why did we not do anything about it?

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01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:01,439
Speaker 24: It was all a bit too hard. You'd have to

1453
01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:04,240
Speaker 24: take them to court, you'd have to find people who

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01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:07,920
Speaker 24: could give evidence. Now, in fact, there was evidence, and

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01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:11,719
Speaker 24: the commission that was set up did discover that evidence.

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01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:14,160
Speaker 24: And in fact, Heather, if I can just dislow something

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01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 24: on your radio station. In the nineteen eighties, I knew

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Speaker 24: that one of them was living in Parmeston, North and

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01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:25,559
Speaker 24: I actually went and visited him. So many people knew

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Speaker 24: who they were and where they were, but at a

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Speaker 24: government level, we just didn't. We weren't enthusiastic about prosecuting

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Speaker 24: them as war criminals.

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Speaker 2: This war criminal that you visit in PARMI how senior

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01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:38,160
Speaker 2: are we talking. Are we just talking like a low

1465
01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:40,360
Speaker 2: level prison guard or we're talking about somebody quite.

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Speaker 24: Sa Yeah, my understanding. He was a prison guard and

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01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:48,040
Speaker 24: he was quite old when when I saw him, obviously,

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01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:51,040
Speaker 24: and by the time they did the investigation, which was

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Speaker 24: in nineteen ninety one, when they set up the unit,

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Speaker 24: you know that most of them were either dead. Originally

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Speaker 24: there were forty six people identified who'd come to New

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Speaker 24: Zealanders and who would possibly be war criminals, so there

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01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:07,559
Speaker 24: was quite a few, but of course by the nineteen

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Speaker 24: nineties most of them had died.

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Speaker 2: Fascinating, so do we just not really care about this

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01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:11,880
Speaker 2: stuff very much?

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Speaker 24: I think I think we do care about it. And

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Speaker 24: obviously the Gang patch legislation, which is coming into fall soon,

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01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:26,720
Speaker 24: does indicate that we care about in this case offensive symbols.

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01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 24: But we have been very reluctant to legislate and to

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01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:36,720
Speaker 24: act in terms of prosecutions in this country. So the

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01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:40,839
Speaker 24: gang legislation is actually a departure from what the position

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Speaker 24: that we've tended to adopt.

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Speaker 2: How fascinating, Paul, thanks for chatting to us. Always love

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Speaker 2: talking to you. That's Paul Spoonley, sociologists and expert and

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Speaker 2: far right extremism. Listen. Spark as in the telecommunications company

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01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:53,280
Speaker 2: took a bit of a knock on the shere price

1488
01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:55,280
Speaker 2: today when it opened up, so it had some bad

1489
01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:57,960
Speaker 2: news to delivery, they warned investors. Profit will be lower

1490
01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:02,120
Speaker 2: than previously expected this year. Dividend payout will also be lower.

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Speaker 2: And on the dividend it's not huge, but I mean,

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Speaker 2: you know it all makes a difference. Is twenty seven

1493
01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:09,800
Speaker 2: and a half cents down to twenty five cents per share,

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01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:11,920
Speaker 2: And so as a result, the shares fell seven cents

1495
01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:13,800
Speaker 2: on opening and then they recovered through the day. Actually,

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01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:17,960
Speaker 2: last time I looked about three bucks still which was

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01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:20,000
Speaker 2: quite the recovery, but still quite a bit lower than

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01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:22,040
Speaker 2: it was about a year ago, which was over five bucks. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: we'll talk to Milford Asset Managements Jeremy Hutton about it

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Speaker 2: before this half hours through fourteen past six.

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Speaker 3: Crunching the numbers and getting the results.

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Speaker 2: Ellen seventeen past six. Now we're going to talk by

1528
01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:48,320
Speaker 2: the way to sell Wyind District Council. These guys are

1529
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:50,920
Speaker 2: the ones that have the fastest growing region in the country.

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01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:52,959
Speaker 2: So as you can imagine, if you're growing in population,

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Speaker 2: you're building houses, and if you're building houses, you're inspecting

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Speaker 2: all of the building work. And if you're doing that,

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01:14:58,040 --> 01:15:00,840
Speaker 2: you're employing the inspectors and that would be the problem

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01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:03,360
Speaker 2: that Selwyn District Council's gotten. So are they happy about

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01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:04,960
Speaker 2: what the Government's going to do with the building consents?

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01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:06,880
Speaker 2: We'll have a chat to them in around about twenty

1537
01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:09,400
Speaker 2: minutes time. Now, B and Z we need to talk

1538
01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:12,200
Speaker 2: about them heading to the Court of Appeal tomorrow in

1539
01:15:12,280 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 2: a bid to get permission to close the accounts that

1540
01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:16,600
Speaker 2: Gloria Vale has got with them. Janative Trainey, as The

1541
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:19,000
Speaker 2: Herald's Wellington business editor, in with us. Now, how do

1542
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:21,760
Speaker 2: your name, hey, Heather? Now, currently A B and Z

1543
01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:24,679
Speaker 2: wants to close them, but currently there's an injunction that's

1544
01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:26,960
Speaker 2: stopping them from doing that. Is the court case tomorrow

1545
01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:29,879
Speaker 2: going to resolve that injunction situation?

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01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:33,920
Speaker 25: Yeah, that's right. So there is an injunction in place

1547
01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:38,280
Speaker 25: that is preventing B and Z from closing Gloria Vale's accounts.

1548
01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:41,920
Speaker 25: Tomorrow there'll be quite quite a big day really for

1549
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:44,080
Speaker 25: this in the Court of Appeal. The Court of Appeal

1550
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:48,080
Speaker 25: will decide whether B and Z can get rid of

1551
01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:50,639
Speaker 25: that injunction and whether B and Z can just close

1552
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:55,680
Speaker 25: the accounts or not now. If not, then this thing

1553
01:15:55,720 --> 01:15:58,840
Speaker 25: will carry on and the case will continue to trial

1554
01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:03,680
Speaker 25: and trial will figure out well, does bean Z have

1555
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:06,600
Speaker 25: the right to decide who it does business with and

1556
01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:09,120
Speaker 25: doesn't have the right to get rid of Glory Vale

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01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:12,000
Speaker 25: if it thinks Gloria of Oalve doesn't meet its human

1558
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:15,160
Speaker 25: rights policy, which is bean Z's argument, isn't.

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01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:16,960
Speaker 2: There already a precedent for this stuff? Like I mean,

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01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:20,360
Speaker 2: I remember, if I remember correctly, kee We Bank also

1561
01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:22,519
Speaker 2: deciding not to bank a whole bunch of businesses that

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01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:24,840
Speaker 2: had some sort of tie in with mining or some

1563
01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:26,599
Speaker 2: some sort of climate change stuff.

1564
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:30,040
Speaker 25: Yeah, that was actually with money remitters. That was quite

1565
01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:34,320
Speaker 25: a few years ago. There was a situation where money

1566
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:38,479
Speaker 25: remittance firm took key We Bank to court because KEEPI

1567
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:41,639
Speaker 25: Bank wanted to close its accounts because of anti money

1568
01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:44,559
Speaker 25: laundering laws. Keey Bank said, well, you know, if we're

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01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:46,880
Speaker 25: going to comply with these money laundering rules, we need

1570
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:49,040
Speaker 25: to be able to know where the money is coming

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01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:51,200
Speaker 25: from that is coming to the bank and who it's

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01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:53,680
Speaker 25: going to. And with a money remitter, it can be

1573
01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:56,920
Speaker 25: hard to really know, you know, exactly where that money

1574
01:16:57,000 --> 01:16:59,839
Speaker 25: is coming from and whether it complies with anti money laundering.

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01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:03,400
Speaker 25: So keep We Bank won that case, you know, and

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01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:06,000
Speaker 25: the court said, well keep you Bank. You know, it's

1577
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:08,600
Speaker 25: a business, it can decide who it does business with.

1578
01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:14,680
Speaker 25: The legalities with this gloria of our situation, there's a

1579
01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:18,240
Speaker 25: different legal argument being made and it's largely around whether

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01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:23,720
Speaker 25: around this human rights policy that being Z has. But

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01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:25,280
Speaker 25: I mean, I think this is going to be a

1582
01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:28,920
Speaker 25: really big deal because you know, Gloria Vale needs a

1583
01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:33,720
Speaker 25: bank to survive, like it has quite major farming operations.

1584
01:17:34,240 --> 01:17:38,200
Speaker 25: Its entire community, you know, kind of still needs to

1585
01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:40,680
Speaker 25: operate in the world that we live in, and you

1586
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:43,760
Speaker 25: know you need a bank account for that. No other

1587
01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:46,719
Speaker 25: banks want anything to do with Gloria Vale. They struggle

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01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:48,800
Speaker 25: to get another bank to bank them back in twenty

1589
01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:51,559
Speaker 25: twenty two when B and Z said it wanted out.

1590
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:54,960
Speaker 25: So you know, I think that if Gloria of Vale

1591
01:17:55,040 --> 01:17:59,920
Speaker 25: loses this case, it will put its viability on the line.

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01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:03,800
Speaker 25: And even more, I'm not too sure who else would

1593
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:06,719
Speaker 25: want to bank it. And I mean the broader effects

1594
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:10,040
Speaker 25: for the financial world are quite substantive to you know,

1595
01:18:10,280 --> 01:18:13,439
Speaker 25: if banks can decide, if they have more leeway to

1596
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:15,679
Speaker 25: decide exactly who they bank and who they don't bank,

1597
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:18,920
Speaker 25: because I mean, realistically, you need a bank to you

1598
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:21,879
Speaker 25: need someone to bank you to function in today's society.

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01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:22,280
Speaker 11: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's almost like it feels like it's bordering on

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01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:27,560
Speaker 2: some sort of a right, Isn't it like a have

1602
01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:30,040
Speaker 2: a right to housing, a right to food, a right

1603
01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:32,360
Speaker 2: to shelter, a right to a bank account.

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01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:35,000
Speaker 25: Yeah, well that's the thing. And you know, for these

1605
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:39,599
Speaker 25: people in Gloriavale, they're vulnerable. And if Gloria Vale doesn't

1606
01:18:39,680 --> 01:18:43,759
Speaker 25: have access to a bank, you know, that affects vulnerable

1607
01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:46,639
Speaker 25: people in the community. But at the same time, banks

1608
01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:50,519
Speaker 25: are businesses and they have to comply with pretty strict

1609
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:53,639
Speaker 25: rules around money laundering for example, like we talked about

1610
01:18:53,640 --> 01:18:57,400
Speaker 25: before with kiwibank, and also rules around like sanctions and

1611
01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:01,960
Speaker 25: various environmental and social commitments and so on. And I

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01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:06,120
Speaker 25: mean Gloria Vale's track record is terrible. There are court

1613
01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:09,719
Speaker 25: cases going through you know, in terms of labor rights

1614
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:13,160
Speaker 25: and sexual abuse and all sorts of things. They don't

1615
01:19:13,240 --> 01:19:16,120
Speaker 25: have a clean track record, to say the very least.

1616
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:18,679
Speaker 25: So you know, I think this is a really interesting case.

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01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:21,680
Speaker 25: It'll be in the Court of Appeal tomorrow and then

1618
01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:23,800
Speaker 25: I suppose we'll have to wait wait a while for

1619
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:25,200
Speaker 25: the judgment to come out.

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01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:26,639
Speaker 2: Here too, right, Hey, you know, thanks very much, really

1621
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:27,960
Speaker 2: looking forward to seeing what they've got to say. It's

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Speaker 2: gen to trainee. The heralds Wellington Business Editor six twenty.

1623
01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:34,520
Speaker 3: Two whether it's macro micro or just playing economics.

1624
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Speaker 1: It's all on the Business Hour with hither duplicy Allen

1625
01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:42,000
Speaker 1: and my HR the HR solution for busy SMEs U

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01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:43,880
Speaker 1: stalks B either if B and.

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Speaker 2: Z doesn't want to bank Gloria Vale, who's banking the gangs?

1628
01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:50,799
Speaker 2: Are the gangs? Is anybody banking the gangs? I suppose

1629
01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:52,559
Speaker 2: I have to get the welfare check somewhere, don't they

1630
01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:55,960
Speaker 2: because undoubtedly the welfare while also doing the drug deals

1631
01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:56,439
Speaker 2: on the side.

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Speaker 3: Lolls.

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01:19:57,360 --> 01:19:59,160
Speaker 2: I don't know. I do this very good question. I mean,

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01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:02,200
Speaker 2: I I guess if you know anything about buying a

1635
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:05,040
Speaker 2: tinney generally done with cash, isn't it It's not really

1636
01:20:05,080 --> 01:20:07,760
Speaker 2: a transaction through the old bank accounts six twenty five

1637
01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:12,800
Speaker 2: with me now? Is Jeremy Hutton, Milford Asset Management. Hey, Jeremy, Evening, Heather.

1638
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:14,840
Speaker 2: We'll talk a little bit about Spark. Haven't that a

1639
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:16,800
Speaker 2: bad run that's been going on for a little while

1640
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:18,280
Speaker 2: and it's just continued today, hasn't it.

1641
01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:20,080
Speaker 5: Yeah?

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01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:23,320
Speaker 26: Another earnings and also the dividend downgrade today and this

1643
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:28,160
Speaker 26: was only two months after its previous financial result and

1644
01:20:28,360 --> 01:20:31,400
Speaker 26: it's already downgraded as guidance for the FY twenty five year,

1645
01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:36,479
Speaker 26: so it's preferred earnings metric ebitde by four percent at

1646
01:20:36,520 --> 01:20:39,720
Speaker 26: the midpoint and disappointingly just follows, as you said, a

1647
01:20:39,840 --> 01:20:44,160
Speaker 26: series of downgrades already this calendar year, and these earnings

1648
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:46,720
Speaker 26: downgrades have been the main contributor to the stock being

1649
01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:49,479
Speaker 26: one of the worst performers on the Interdex this year.

1650
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:53,960
Speaker 26: So very unusual for a normally defensive blue tap telecoms

1651
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:54,840
Speaker 26: company like Spark.

1652
01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:56,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if you look at what's happened that

1653
01:20:56,439 --> 01:20:59,040
Speaker 2: the share price is down well over forty percent, you

1654
01:20:59,080 --> 01:21:01,040
Speaker 2: know so far this see, so this is basically just

1655
01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:02,479
Speaker 2: to run of the same kind of news, isn't it.

1656
01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:05,759
Speaker 26: Yeah, a little bit. Parts of the updates were similar,

1657
01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:08,360
Speaker 26: but there was also some new news as well. It

1658
01:21:08,479 --> 01:21:12,320
Speaker 26: did highlight the continued slower mobile division growth, and this

1659
01:21:12,439 --> 01:21:15,040
Speaker 26: is mainly competition from one New Zealand and two degrees

1660
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:18,960
Speaker 26: impacting and effectively corporates and government entities are still looking

1661
01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:23,840
Speaker 26: to rationalize their spend, especially in mobile and IT services,

1662
01:21:24,360 --> 01:21:27,400
Speaker 26: looking for some more value options. And then in the

1663
01:21:27,479 --> 01:21:30,599
Speaker 26: new news, Spark cut its ever important dividends as well

1664
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:33,800
Speaker 26: by ten percent. This was down to twenty five cents

1665
01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:37,200
Speaker 26: for next year expected. So the dividend has traditionally been

1666
01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:41,120
Speaker 26: the most important value diver for Spark, so meaningful cut there.

1667
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:44,960
Speaker 2: So what's the concern that's led them to the dividend cut?

1668
01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:48,680
Speaker 26: Yeah, the biggest issue that the market has had is

1669
01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:52,760
Speaker 26: over the sustainability of the dividend, and this is due

1670
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:55,960
Speaker 26: to the competing demands on its cash flows. So Spark

1671
01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:58,599
Speaker 26: has been investing a lot in building new data centers,

1672
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:02,439
Speaker 26: which are pretty expensive. The operating performance has been struggling

1673
01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:06,120
Speaker 26: as mentioned before, and it wants to maintain its investment

1674
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:09,719
Speaker 26: grade credit rating, so and other words, have low debt levels,

1675
01:22:09,800 --> 01:22:13,559
Speaker 26: so it's balancing a lot of demands. It did cut

1676
01:22:13,640 --> 01:22:16,880
Speaker 26: back its capital expensure guidance, but looking at it really

1677
01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:19,800
Speaker 26: simply from here at three cash flow guide as a

1678
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:22,839
Speaker 26: midpoint of four hundred and twenty million. But the dividend

1679
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:25,360
Speaker 26: at twenty five cents, even at the reduced level, is

1680
01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:28,840
Speaker 26: still costing four hundred and sixty million, so in theory,

1681
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:30,679
Speaker 26: it's still borling to pay this dividend.

1682
01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:33,280
Speaker 2: Very interesting, Okay. The interesting things that the share price

1683
01:22:33,320 --> 01:22:35,759
Speaker 2: didn't move very much today was that the market potentially

1684
01:22:35,800 --> 01:22:37,320
Speaker 2: buying the last downgrade.

1685
01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:40,760
Speaker 26: Yeah, certainly could have been, especially given how much the

1686
01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:44,479
Speaker 26: share price has fallen. Parts of this was expected, but

1687
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:47,679
Speaker 26: it's probably more in relation to some other news. It's

1688
01:22:47,880 --> 01:22:50,400
Speaker 26: looking to sell some of its non core assets, like

1689
01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:54,559
Speaker 26: the remainder of its tower coves Peak, and it's trying

1690
01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:57,880
Speaker 26: to find a capital partner to help fund its data centers,

1691
01:22:57,920 --> 01:23:00,360
Speaker 26: and both of these will relieve some of the pressure

1692
01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:03,360
Speaker 26: on the balance sheet and cash flow. There is a

1693
01:23:03,479 --> 01:23:07,240
Speaker 26: very large value case starting to emerge, even on the

1694
01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:10,760
Speaker 26: lower dividend. The cash yield is over eight percent per year,

1695
01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:15,000
Speaker 26: and this lines up favorably versus other global telecoms pairs,

1696
01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:20,200
Speaker 26: other interex dividend stocks, and also favorably against term deposits,

1697
01:23:20,600 --> 01:23:24,080
Speaker 26: especially in a falling into trade environment. So some value

1698
01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:24,680
Speaker 26: emerging here.

1699
01:23:25,160 --> 01:23:27,599
Speaker 2: Interesting. Jeremy, thanks very much, really appreciate it. Jeremy Hutton

1700
01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:32,160
Speaker 2: Milford Asset Management. Actually text on the Nazi thing that

1701
01:23:32,240 --> 01:23:34,200
Speaker 2: Paul Spoonley was talking about. I'm going to get you

1702
01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:37,160
Speaker 2: across that shortly. And also Travis Scott, if you're still

1703
01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:39,240
Speaker 2: wanting to go, I've got a deal for you on tickets,

1704
01:23:39,479 --> 01:23:40,920
Speaker 2: hang on headlines.

1705
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Speaker 2: Please, getting Grays with us in ten minutes time. Okay,

1710
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:22,200
Speaker 2: here's the deal on Travis Scott. I'm not actually the seller.

1711
01:24:22,240 --> 01:24:23,800
Speaker 2: I'm just telling you you can get a deal. If

1712
01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:27,880
Speaker 2: you're like Wednesday, thirtieth of October, what am I going

1713
01:24:27,960 --> 01:24:28,679
Speaker 2: to do with my evening?

1714
01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:28,840
Speaker 1: Well?

1715
01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:30,160
Speaker 2: Have I got a deal for You can go to

1716
01:24:30,200 --> 01:24:33,280
Speaker 2: Travis Scott at Eden Park for as little as thirty

1717
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:38,320
Speaker 2: bucks tonight. This is because Ticketmaster, everybody's favorite ticket outlet.

1718
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:42,519
Speaker 2: Don't we love Ticketmaster? Ye old dynamic pricing ticket mastery

1719
01:24:42,680 --> 01:24:47,320
Speaker 2: old Oasis tickets through the roof ticket Master. That Ticketmaster, Well,

1720
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:49,360
Speaker 2: they've dropped a bunch of a bunch of ticket prices

1721
01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:52,080
Speaker 2: because people didn't want to go as badly as they thought.

1722
01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:56,040
Speaker 2: So general admission tickets were originally priced between two hundred

1723
01:24:56,040 --> 01:24:58,560
Speaker 2: and two hundred and fifty dollars. They've come down and

1724
01:24:58,640 --> 01:25:02,000
Speaker 2: priced to one hundred and fifty dollars. Some tickets that

1725
01:25:02,120 --> 01:25:05,280
Speaker 2: were like reserve seating tickets three hundred and thirty dollars.

1726
01:25:05,320 --> 01:25:07,479
Speaker 2: One punter said he paid that much for it. They

1727
01:25:07,479 --> 01:25:09,439
Speaker 2: are now as low as one hundred and forty dollars.

1728
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:12,720
Speaker 2: And yeah, if you if you're prepared to go into

1729
01:25:12,760 --> 01:25:16,320
Speaker 2: an obstructed view ticket thirty bucks or fifty bucks for

1730
01:25:16,400 --> 01:25:18,719
Speaker 2: standard seats. So what are you doing with your life?

1731
01:25:18,880 --> 01:25:20,720
Speaker 2: What have you got any excuse not to go?

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01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:21,360
Speaker 7: Now?

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01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:23,800
Speaker 2: Yea, I'll talk about the Nazi and just attack eight

1734
01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:25,160
Speaker 2: twenty two away from seven.

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Speaker 3: Heather do see Allen Now.

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01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:29,040
Speaker 2: New Zealand's fastest growing region has weighed in on the

1737
01:25:29,080 --> 01:25:32,240
Speaker 2: government's building reform. The Selwyn District Council says any news

1738
01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:35,639
Speaker 2: of speeding up consents is obviously welcomed, and Selwyn District

1739
01:25:35,640 --> 01:25:39,080
Speaker 2: Council's Head of Building is Vanessa Mitchell. Have Vanessa, Hi,

1740
01:25:39,400 --> 01:25:40,880
Speaker 2: how are you? I'm very well, thank you. So what

1741
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:41,880
Speaker 2: is it that you like about this?

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01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:47,040
Speaker 27: What I like about it is the Minister is really

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01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:49,280
Speaker 27: engaging with the sector and looking at what can be

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01:25:49,400 --> 01:25:54,600
Speaker 27: done to address the pain points. And you guys place sorry.

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01:25:54,439 --> 01:25:55,800
Speaker 2: You're feeling the pain points, aren't you.

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01:25:56,680 --> 01:25:59,799
Speaker 27: We are feeling the pain points. Where As the fastest

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01:25:59,800 --> 01:26:02,920
Speaker 27: growing districts, we've been under enormous pressure over the past

1748
01:26:03,040 --> 01:26:08,200
Speaker 27: few years and we really see advantages and some of

1749
01:26:08,240 --> 01:26:12,760
Speaker 27: the self certification proposals that have come out. There are

1750
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:15,720
Speaker 27: key parts of the industry that quite rightly should be

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01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:18,519
Speaker 27: able to self certify their own work, and that would

1752
01:26:18,520 --> 01:26:22,040
Speaker 27: actually free our inspectors up to focus on our areas

1753
01:26:22,160 --> 01:26:24,240
Speaker 27: and around more inspections.

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01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:27,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, are you're given that you are the fastest grug region?

1755
01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:29,639
Speaker 2: Are your inspectors snowed under at the moment?

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01:26:31,400 --> 01:26:34,280
Speaker 27: Actually, at the moment they're not. We've had quite a

1757
01:26:34,360 --> 01:26:38,600
Speaker 27: quiet period, so at the moment, whilst sometimes they do

1758
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:41,320
Speaker 27: have to sorry, people do have to wait two to

1759
01:26:42,040 --> 01:26:44,519
Speaker 27: three days for an inspection, we're not snowed under.

1760
01:26:44,680 --> 01:26:45,920
Speaker 2: Is that that's because of the recession?

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01:26:45,960 --> 01:26:46,040
Speaker 7: Right?

1762
01:26:46,640 --> 01:26:48,639
Speaker 2: Probably nobody snowed under at the moment.

1763
01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:49,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is.

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01:26:50,160 --> 01:26:53,599
Speaker 27: Yeah, it's been a really quiet period. We are expecting though,

1765
01:26:53,800 --> 01:26:55,800
Speaker 27: at the end of this year that it will pick

1766
01:26:55,880 --> 01:27:01,760
Speaker 27: up and preparing for things to take off again next year.

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01:27:01,880 --> 01:27:03,639
Speaker 27: Is the softening interest rates, etc.

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01:27:04,160 --> 01:27:06,679
Speaker 2: Yeah? So good to have them basically doing it themselves.

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01:27:06,720 --> 01:27:09,280
Speaker 2: But are you worried at all about the fact that

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01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:13,599
Speaker 2: the liability falls off? Like this idea that they take

1771
01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:15,680
Speaker 2: on the liability themselves and bump it up to their

1772
01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:17,720
Speaker 2: insurance companies. Does that worry you or are you just

1773
01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:19,599
Speaker 2: relieved that you guys aren't the ones who are liable.

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Speaker 8: No.

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01:27:21,240 --> 01:27:24,599
Speaker 27: I think if they hold liable for their work, they'll

1776
01:27:24,640 --> 01:27:28,439
Speaker 27: actually take more care in carrying out their functions. So

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01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:31,560
Speaker 27: I think it's a real positive and I think to

1778
01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:34,680
Speaker 27: support that, it's really going to be heavily reliant on

1779
01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:37,840
Speaker 27: the industry bodies to play their part in developing guidelines

1780
01:27:38,280 --> 01:27:41,640
Speaker 27: for their members, monitoring their performance and ensuring they've got

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01:27:41,680 --> 01:27:44,120
Speaker 27: those disciplinary processes in place as well.

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01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:47,880
Speaker 2: I guess the reason that you because it's commonly said

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01:27:47,880 --> 01:27:52,160
Speaker 2: that inspectors are extremely conservative council inspectors, and that would

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01:27:52,200 --> 01:27:55,200
Speaker 2: be because you guys are not personally, but you guys

1785
01:27:55,240 --> 01:27:57,400
Speaker 2: are liable, aren't you as the counsel if something goes wrong?

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01:27:57,560 --> 01:27:59,600
Speaker 2: Therefore they have to be conservative.

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01:28:00,760 --> 01:28:02,880
Speaker 27: Yes, yeah, it's fair to say they risk at first

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01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:07,160
Speaker 27: for the fact that joined the several liability settings mean

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01:28:07,240 --> 01:28:09,920
Speaker 27: that typically we're the last men standing. Was the deepest bocket?

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01:28:11,240 --> 01:28:12,800
Speaker 2: Okay, so all in all a good thing?

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01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:15,680
Speaker 27: Yeah, yes, yeah, definitely.

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01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:18,759
Speaker 2: Vanessa, thanks very much, appreciate it is Vanessa Mitchell, Selwyn

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01:28:18,760 --> 01:28:22,000
Speaker 2: District Council, Head of Building. Okay, So Paul Spoonley was

1794
01:28:22,040 --> 01:28:23,599
Speaker 2: talking about the fact that we had all these war

1795
01:28:23,680 --> 01:28:25,600
Speaker 2: criminals come to New Zealand, we just ignored them and

1796
01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:27,920
Speaker 2: did nothing about them. Somebody's just sent the text through

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01:28:27,960 --> 01:28:31,360
Speaker 2: WAFF and SS officer Willie Hooper. Now he's probably, I

1798
01:28:31,439 --> 01:28:34,200
Speaker 2: would say, probably the most famous of them, isn't he?

1799
01:28:34,280 --> 01:28:36,400
Speaker 2: Because North and South did a yarn on him, a

1800
01:28:36,479 --> 01:28:38,639
Speaker 2: front page story. I feel like it was a cover

1801
01:28:38,760 --> 01:28:44,519
Speaker 2: story last year, maybe the year before, and with the

1802
01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:47,559
Speaker 2: title the Nazi who built Mount Hut. He was one

1803
01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:49,920
Speaker 2: of I think about three guys who were really instrumental

1804
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:53,320
Speaker 2: in building the Mount Hut. And he actually admitted, I

1805
01:28:53,400 --> 01:28:56,559
Speaker 2: think in a TV and Z documentary that he'd volunteered

1806
01:28:56,600 --> 01:28:59,280
Speaker 2: for the WAFF andes SS and had eventually wrote risen

1807
01:28:59,360 --> 01:29:03,120
Speaker 2: to the rank of captain. And I feel like everybody

1808
01:29:03,200 --> 01:29:05,519
Speaker 2: knew at the time that he was a Nazi, but

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01:29:05,640 --> 01:29:08,479
Speaker 2: nobody really cared anyway. There we go, most famous of

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01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:10,240
Speaker 2: the lot of them. Eighteen away from seven.

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01:29:11,080 --> 01:29:13,880
Speaker 3: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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01:29:14,479 --> 01:29:17,479
Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Hither Duper c Allen and my

1813
01:29:17,840 --> 01:29:21,880
Speaker 1: Hr the HR solution for busy s Emmy's on news talks,

1814
01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:22,200
Speaker 1: it'd be.

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01:29:22,720 --> 01:29:25,439
Speaker 2: Here, the lovely chep Willie Huber and the Ferrari over

1816
01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:27,479
Speaker 2: his history was way over the top. I suppose it's

1817
01:29:27,520 --> 01:29:29,719
Speaker 2: probably why nobody did anything about it, because that would

1818
01:29:29,720 --> 01:29:32,320
Speaker 2: have been the prevailing sentiment. Sixteen away from seven. Gavin Gray,

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01:29:32,439 --> 01:29:36,120
Speaker 2: our UK correspondents with US ay, Gavin good evening. He

1820
01:29:36,360 --> 01:29:38,280
Speaker 2: happy budget day? Are you looking forward to it?

1821
01:29:40,400 --> 01:29:40,639
Speaker 3: Yeah?

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01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:44,240
Speaker 11: I'm not so sure. It's seemed so widely trayed.

1823
01:29:44,360 --> 01:29:47,360
Speaker 28: And you know, in the past, nobody would say anything

1824
01:29:47,400 --> 01:29:50,040
Speaker 28: about the budget until it was delivered to Parliament. This

1825
01:29:50,160 --> 01:29:52,519
Speaker 28: one seens so many leaks, I'm not sure anything new

1826
01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:55,880
Speaker 28: will be coming up. Indeed, the Chancellor, the first ever

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01:29:56,040 --> 01:29:59,320
Speaker 28: female Chancellor and the first labor Chancellor for fourteen years,

1828
01:30:00,040 --> 01:30:02,280
Speaker 28: Rachie Reeves, was ticked off by the Leader of the

1829
01:30:02,320 --> 01:30:07,360
Speaker 28: Commons for talking to journalists in America about her budget,

1830
01:30:07,720 --> 01:30:10,360
Speaker 28: saying it was a supreme discourtesy to the House and

1831
01:30:10,479 --> 01:30:12,080
Speaker 28: she was very very disappointed.

1832
01:30:12,160 --> 01:30:13,599
Speaker 11: Well what do we expect?

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01:30:13,760 --> 01:30:17,040
Speaker 28: I think we expect tax rises now all along people

1834
01:30:17,200 --> 01:30:20,680
Speaker 28: have been told this will not affect working people was

1835
01:30:20,760 --> 01:30:23,479
Speaker 28: what the government was saying. But these tax rises are

1836
01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:26,240
Speaker 28: going to perfect somebody. So who and who is not

1837
01:30:26,760 --> 01:30:29,439
Speaker 28: a working person is the question, and that has yet

1838
01:30:29,560 --> 01:30:33,799
Speaker 28: really to be answered succinctly by anyone in the Labor Party.

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01:30:34,200 --> 01:30:37,519
Speaker 11: I think we're going to see an increase in inheritance tax.

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01:30:37,640 --> 01:30:41,840
Speaker 28: That's the tax on amounts left when somebody dies and

1841
01:30:41,960 --> 01:30:43,000
Speaker 28: left to their loved ones.

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01:30:43,320 --> 01:30:44,840
Speaker 11: I think a capital gains tax.

1843
01:30:44,960 --> 01:30:47,840
Speaker 28: Capital gains is when you make an investment, or sell

1844
01:30:47,880 --> 01:30:50,920
Speaker 28: a share, sell a second home, that sort of thing.

1845
01:30:51,160 --> 01:30:53,600
Speaker 28: I think that tax is going to increase, and I

1846
01:30:53,680 --> 01:30:57,080
Speaker 28: think we may see thresholds at which taxes paid kept

1847
01:30:57,160 --> 01:31:00,680
Speaker 28: the same. And of course, because prices and inflation is

1848
01:31:00,760 --> 01:31:04,360
Speaker 28: going up, that effectively is a tax increase. But all

1849
01:31:04,439 --> 01:31:07,280
Speaker 28: of these are we don't know, they haven't been confirmed.

1850
01:31:07,360 --> 01:31:10,360
Speaker 28: What we do know is the national minimum wage is

1851
01:31:10,520 --> 01:31:13,680
Speaker 28: to go up, and that is putting a lot of

1852
01:31:13,680 --> 01:31:16,759
Speaker 28: pressure on small businesses who say that they are already

1853
01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:18,479
Speaker 28: really struggling to make ends meet.

1854
01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:21,439
Speaker 2: And so what exactly where is this money going to

1855
01:31:21,479 --> 01:31:22,880
Speaker 2: be primarily directed.

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01:31:24,720 --> 01:31:28,680
Speaker 28: Supposedly into a forty four billion pound black hole in

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01:31:28,840 --> 01:31:32,439
Speaker 28: the country's finances. Now, the previous government says that is

1858
01:31:32,760 --> 01:31:35,920
Speaker 28: just nonsense. We didn't leave a black hole like that,

1859
01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:39,280
Speaker 28: So this is just an excuse for the Labor Party

1860
01:31:39,640 --> 01:31:41,559
Speaker 28: to come up with these things in order to hit

1861
01:31:41,640 --> 01:31:44,559
Speaker 28: the rich or people that it deems to be rich

1862
01:31:44,840 --> 01:31:45,600
Speaker 28: to hit people it.

1863
01:31:45,640 --> 01:31:49,800
Speaker 11: Deems not to be working class. And as I said,

1864
01:31:49,920 --> 01:31:50,720
Speaker 11: try and define that.

1865
01:31:51,760 --> 01:31:53,960
Speaker 28: And therefore lots of people I think, pretty fed up

1866
01:31:53,960 --> 01:31:55,840
Speaker 28: at the idea that they're going to be hammered for

1867
01:31:56,000 --> 01:31:59,720
Speaker 28: working hard, having savings, paying into a pension and now

1868
01:31:59,800 --> 01:32:01,679
Speaker 28: my get hammered again by a new party.

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01:32:01,960 --> 01:32:04,040
Speaker 2: Hey, what are we expecting from this teenager that the

1870
01:32:04,120 --> 01:32:06,599
Speaker 2: one who was accused of murdering the three girls appearing

1871
01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:07,320
Speaker 2: in court today.

1872
01:32:08,520 --> 01:32:10,440
Speaker 11: Yeah, this is going to be very significant.

1873
01:32:10,520 --> 01:32:14,000
Speaker 28: So you're remember back in July, three young girls were

1874
01:32:14,080 --> 01:32:17,640
Speaker 28: killed at a Taylor Swift dance themed party in the

1875
01:32:17,720 --> 01:32:21,360
Speaker 28: northwest of England. In Southward the end of July, the

1876
01:32:21,479 --> 01:32:24,400
Speaker 28: eighteen year old who's accused of murdering those three girls

1877
01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:28,080
Speaker 28: was due in court and now is going to be

1878
01:32:28,240 --> 01:32:32,200
Speaker 28: in court today charged with two more offenses, one of

1879
01:32:32,280 --> 01:32:36,320
Speaker 28: them about the fact that he was allegedly at manufacturing

1880
01:32:36,600 --> 01:32:41,160
Speaker 28: ricin a biological toxin and very poisonous, and also that

1881
01:32:41,280 --> 01:32:46,080
Speaker 28: he had or had in possession of an Islamic state

1882
01:32:47,160 --> 01:32:51,599
Speaker 28: sort of a booklet on how to commit atrocities. Those

1883
01:32:51,680 --> 01:32:54,439
Speaker 28: are the new crimes that he faces, and plenty of

1884
01:32:54,479 --> 01:32:57,040
Speaker 28: people saying, well, hang on a minute, this happened in July,

1885
01:32:57,360 --> 01:33:00,719
Speaker 28: the murder. You searched his property in July. We find

1886
01:33:00,760 --> 01:33:03,759
Speaker 28: out right at the end of October now that actually

1887
01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:06,679
Speaker 28: this is being looked at potentially as a terrorism incident.

1888
01:33:06,760 --> 01:33:08,400
Speaker 28: They've come back and said no, no, no, it's not

1889
01:33:08,600 --> 01:33:12,640
Speaker 28: terrorism because we don't know is motive. Well, as you

1890
01:33:12,720 --> 01:33:15,880
Speaker 28: can imagine, there are some in the former party government

1891
01:33:15,920 --> 01:33:18,120
Speaker 28: who are saying, hang on a minute, there are serious

1892
01:33:18,240 --> 01:33:22,479
Speaker 28: questions here. Has this government deliberately concealed this terrorism link,

1893
01:33:22,760 --> 01:33:26,360
Speaker 28: because of course we did have several weeks of rioting

1894
01:33:26,760 --> 01:33:30,320
Speaker 28: after these murders took place, with people so concerned about

1895
01:33:30,439 --> 01:33:31,639
Speaker 28: migration in this country.

1896
01:33:32,040 --> 01:33:34,680
Speaker 2: Gevin, do we have any idea this console that was

1897
01:33:34,760 --> 01:33:36,760
Speaker 2: used to record Abbey Road, any idea how much is

1898
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:38,120
Speaker 2: this going to go for at auction today?

1899
01:33:39,360 --> 01:33:40,719
Speaker 11: Well, it's a very good question.

1900
01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:43,439
Speaker 28: It's a one off, that's for sure, and that makes

1901
01:33:43,479 --> 01:33:47,920
Speaker 28: it rather difficult to actually put a price on. But

1902
01:33:48,080 --> 01:33:51,280
Speaker 28: this was a console that was used by the Beatles

1903
01:33:51,560 --> 01:33:55,200
Speaker 28: to record Abby Road, that wonderful album of Theirs, which

1904
01:33:55,240 --> 01:33:57,559
Speaker 28: of course has been in and out of the charts

1905
01:33:57,640 --> 01:34:02,080
Speaker 28: for decades and the consult was given or donated to

1906
01:34:02,160 --> 01:34:05,320
Speaker 28: a school, but the school then threw it out and

1907
01:34:05,560 --> 01:34:08,040
Speaker 28: it was only rescued from a skip by an absolute

1908
01:34:09,040 --> 01:34:11,519
Speaker 28: well I don't want to be harsh, but a techno

1909
01:34:12,320 --> 01:34:16,839
Speaker 28: file who absolutely loves these things. The project was started

1910
01:34:16,920 --> 01:34:19,920
Speaker 28: for it to be referbed to make it work again

1911
01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:23,559
Speaker 28: and indeed, using expertise around the UK it is. As

1912
01:34:23,640 --> 01:34:25,640
Speaker 28: for the price, well it's got to be several or

1913
01:34:25,680 --> 01:34:28,559
Speaker 28: several thousand pounds, but it's a very one off thing

1914
01:34:28,640 --> 01:34:29,599
Speaker 28: to try and put a pricer.

1915
01:34:29,880 --> 01:34:32,040
Speaker 2: Very interesting stuff, Kevin, thank you really appreciate it. Gavin

1916
01:34:32,080 --> 01:34:36,960
Speaker 2: Gray are UK correspondent. Interesting defense in our court speaking

1917
01:34:37,000 --> 01:34:41,000
Speaker 2: of courts, interesting defense in our court. Was it today?

1918
01:34:41,160 --> 01:34:44,160
Speaker 2: I think it was today. It's about look, if it's

1919
01:34:44,160 --> 01:34:45,599
Speaker 2: not today, it was yesterday. It was in the last

1920
01:34:45,640 --> 01:34:48,840
Speaker 2: couple of days. About why somebody has committed a crime

1921
01:34:49,200 --> 01:34:51,439
Speaker 2: and why rugby is the excuse for it. So this

1922
01:34:51,600 --> 01:34:53,479
Speaker 2: is the case of a former Maori All Blacks player,

1923
01:34:53,560 --> 01:34:58,040
Speaker 2: Matterwa Patkinson, who bought guns and then on sold these guns,

1924
01:34:58,120 --> 01:34:59,639
Speaker 2: brought them from guns to the and then on sold

1925
01:34:59,680 --> 01:35:01,880
Speaker 2: them to an alleged associate of the common Cero's who

1926
01:35:01,960 --> 01:35:05,280
Speaker 2: he already knew, and then he pretended to cover his

1927
01:35:05,400 --> 01:35:07,840
Speaker 2: tracks a few months later that the guns it all

1928
01:35:07,920 --> 01:35:10,920
Speaker 2: been nicked from his house. Because he had a gun license,

1929
01:35:10,920 --> 01:35:12,960
Speaker 2: he had a gun safe, so he had to explain

1930
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:15,040
Speaker 2: where the guns were. So he pretended that they'd been

1931
01:35:15,120 --> 01:35:18,120
Speaker 2: nicked and he'd faked a burglary and got paid out

1932
01:35:18,160 --> 01:35:19,800
Speaker 2: for it by the insurance company. But then he got

1933
01:35:19,840 --> 01:35:23,519
Speaker 2: busted because what he'd said that was that how they

1934
01:35:23,560 --> 01:35:25,960
Speaker 2: had nicked the guns. They had nicked the guns was

1935
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:28,400
Speaker 2: that the gun safe, which was bolted to the floor,

1936
01:35:28,479 --> 01:35:31,160
Speaker 2: had simply been ripped out of the house. But then

1937
01:35:31,200 --> 01:35:34,280
Speaker 2: when ESR looked at the new gun safe that he'd

1938
01:35:34,320 --> 01:35:37,240
Speaker 2: bought to replace that gun safe, they realized, Man, it's

1939
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Speaker 2: actually still the old gun safe, and there's no indication

1940
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Speaker 2: it had been ripped out of the floor at all anyway.

1941
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Speaker 2: So he's been paying for it today and sentenced today.

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Speaker 2: His lawyer argued that he wasn't making any any good

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Speaker 2: decisions around them. Clearly he wasn't making good decisions, but

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Speaker 2: the reason he wasn't making good decisions was because he

1945
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Speaker 2: had played more than seven hundred games of rugby and

1946
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Speaker 2: quote he's taken quite a few knocks to the head

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Speaker 2: over the years, and this is clearly not a person

1948
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Speaker 2: who was thinking about what he's doing. So that's a

1949
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Speaker 2: good one for you if if like that. Literally most

1950
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Speaker 2: men and a lot of women in this country probably

1951
01:36:10,680 --> 01:36:13,240
Speaker 2: taking a fair few knocks to the head the old

1952
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Speaker 2: rugby games, and if you've done enough of those, you

1953
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Speaker 2: could probably excuse them of bad behavior. Sentence today discounts

1954
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Speaker 2: for remorse, amend's previous good character guilty plea, and background

1955
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Speaker 2: factors which I assume must be the head knocks, and

1956
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Speaker 2: so he received an end sentence of nine months on home.

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Speaker 14: D Here you go.

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Speaker 2: Good one to have up your sleep if you end

1959
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Speaker 2: up and caught nine away from seven.

1960
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Speaker 3: Whether it's macro, MicroB or just playing economics.

1961
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Speaker 1: It's all on The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen

1962
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Speaker 1: and my HR, the HR platform for SME used.

1963
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Speaker 2: Talksp Heather, just one more give it a whirl excuse

1964
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Speaker 2: from a defense lawyer to stop his client going to jail.

1965
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Speaker 2: Blah blah blah. Yeah, it does feel like I give

1966
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Speaker 2: it a will one anyway, give it a will yourself

1967
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Speaker 2: if you want to. I find this fascinating. Okay, So Terradar,

1968
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Speaker 2: you know Terradar, the old comedian with you know, the

1969
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Speaker 2: sideburns and the ginger hair and the glasses and stuff.

1970
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Speaker 2: Terda has got a new live show that he's doing

1971
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Speaker 2: where he basically has dug out all these old cookbooks

1972
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Speaker 2: from yester year in New Zealand and he's going through

1973
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Speaker 2: them and talking at in this live show about all

1974
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Speaker 2: the weird recipes that we used to cook. And it's

1975
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Speaker 2: cookbooks from people you'll know like Graham Kerr. And if

1976
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Speaker 2: you don't know who Graham Kerr was, he was one

1977
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Speaker 2: of the first real celebrity chefs in this country, made

1978
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Speaker 2: a big in the fifties and sixties. Allison holst Aunt,

1979
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Speaker 2: Daisy Hudson and Hall's and those guys. Some of the recipes, like,

1980
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Speaker 2: I mean, some of the recipes are pretty wild. There

1981
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Speaker 2: was a beer and cucumber soup for summer, Like that's

1982
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Speaker 2: how much we loved our booze. We still do. I

1983
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Speaker 2: suppose you couldn't even have a cucumber without having some

1984
01:37:43,120 --> 01:37:45,360
Speaker 2: beer in it. Terrence Cooper had come up with a

1985
01:37:45,400 --> 01:37:49,519
Speaker 2: wine soup which was a full liter of dry white wine.

1986
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Speaker 2: That's a lot of wine and a soup a hint

1987
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Speaker 2: of cinnamon and then a lot of sherry. So it's

1988
01:37:54,360 --> 01:37:58,719
Speaker 2: basically just boos pretending to be a soup. Allison Holdst

1989
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Speaker 2: apparently thought Fried Brad with the perfect food for children,

1990
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Speaker 2: and probably they were, but you'd have to get the

1991
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Speaker 2: child to eat it in the first place. And I

1992
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Speaker 2: don't know if you've tried with a carrot, like that's

1993
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Speaker 2: hard enough, never mind a brain. There was the cold

1994
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Speaker 2: Sour Kiwi Fruit soup from Jan built In's New Zealand

1995
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Speaker 2: Kiwi Fruit Cookbook, which literally sounds like a cookbook where

1996
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Speaker 2: Jan Bilton just comes up with one thousand different recipes

1997
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Speaker 2: for how you can eat kiwi fruit, just trying the

1998
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Speaker 2: hardest to get you to eat the kiwi fruit. The

1999
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Speaker 2: cold sour Kiwi fruit soup you would need I don't

2000
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Speaker 2: know how much you're gonna spend on kiwi fruit, because

2001
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Speaker 2: you need basically five hundred grams of kiwi fruit and

2002
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Speaker 2: it's got water and sugar and cloves and arrowroot and

2003
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Speaker 2: cold water. Yeah, more cold like cold water and normal water.

2004
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Speaker 2: Apparently that matters. Kiwi fruit, the zest and the juice

2005
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Speaker 2: of a large lemon and sour cream's pretty simple. You

2006
01:38:45,360 --> 01:38:48,599
Speaker 2: can probably make it yourself. Here's and also, the advice

2007
01:38:48,960 --> 01:38:50,800
Speaker 2: back in the day was that you should boil your

2008
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Speaker 2: vegetables for forty five minutes. Forty five minutes, what even

2009
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Speaker 2: is left at the end of it, other than like

2010
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Speaker 2: a fibrous h all the good stuff has gone, explains

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Speaker 2: Odd explains a lot. Forty five minutes. Anyway, Terradar, now

2012
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Speaker 2: an expert on what we've eaten and back in the day, says,

2013
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Speaker 2: Unfortunately for us, food trends are not getting more weird.

2014
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Speaker 2: They're getting more basic. But at least food is getting

2015
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Speaker 2: more varied. And I suppose that's true, isn't it. Ants.

2016
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Speaker 16: Yeah, I'm tempting to try the best suit. To be fair,

2017
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Speaker 16: I'm not going to play some Travis Scott because there

2018
01:39:24,160 --> 01:39:26,280
Speaker 16: is no song that Travis Scott has in his repertoire

2019
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Speaker 16: that is safe for us to broadcast, right the oh,

2020
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Speaker 16: the BSA. So instead we'll go with the Spice Girls.

2021
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Speaker 16: Who do you think you Are? Because we've we've had

2022
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Speaker 16: some goss from Melby Scary Spice. She says she's been

2023
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Speaker 16: kicked out of these Spice Girls WhatsApp group. Apparently she's

2024
01:39:39,760 --> 01:39:41,960
Speaker 16: just annoying them. Too much because she's always telling them

2025
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Speaker 16: that they should tour again, and they throw her out

2026
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Speaker 16: because of that. So unfortunately bad news if you want

2027
01:39:46,120 --> 01:39:47,400
Speaker 16: to see a tour. It looks like if they're going

2028
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Speaker 16: to throw Scary out of the group chat for even suggesting.

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Speaker 2: But she would be like one hundred percent if you

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Speaker 2: had a friend in a group who just was like

2031
01:39:54,560 --> 01:39:56,559
Speaker 2: doing the same thing over and origgain, you get them out,

2032
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Speaker 2: wouldn't you. Yeah, guys, can we do her region?

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Speaker 21: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you'd be you'd be like, did you watch that

2035
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Speaker 2: new show on Netflix? No, because I was busy planning

2036
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Speaker 2: our reunion.

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Speaker 9: You block, Yeah, that's her if you're.

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Speaker 2: Rid of a yeah, thanks for that answer. But what

2039
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Speaker 2: this means by not laying Travis Scott as I still

2040
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Speaker 2: have literally listened to know Trevor Scott before going to

2041
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Speaker 2: Travis Scott.

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Speaker 1: So there is that.

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Speaker 2: Enjoy your evening, you know, if you're around Mount Eden,

2044
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Speaker 2: you know Helen Kirkaha, because it's going to be noisy tonight.

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Speaker 2: See you later.

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