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Speaker 2: Hello, you got New Zealand's and Welcome to matin Tile

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Speaker 2: Afternoons Full Show Pod number one seven nine for Friday,

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Speaker 2: the eighth of August. Great show today, Tyler certainly was

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Speaker 2: New Zealand of the Week controversy. There was boy oh boy,

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Speaker 3: There was some pushback on New Zealand of the Week.

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Speaker 3: But well does winner as always working from home? Good

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Speaker 3: Chad around there, great canon snnon Yeah, really push back

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was actually started the hour and I thought,

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Speaker 2: Hang'm gonna am I wrong about everything? Do I need

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Speaker 2: to just pack up and go home? Yeah? She was brilliant.

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Speaker 2: Show was brilliant.

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Speaker 5: everything in between.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News.

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Speaker 3: Talk said the welcome into show. Hope you're doing well.

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Speaker 3: We're hev you're listening in this country of ours. Always

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Speaker 3: feel a bit happy on a Friday, YETO met good day, Tyler.

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Speaker 2: Yes, thank you so much for tuning in. Excited about

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Speaker 2: today's show. Got the New Zealander of the Week coming

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Speaker 2: up and a few hours who do you think it

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Speaker 2: should be? There's a few nominations for Jason Walls in there, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: a couple for Ethan Stills, people that have left our show.

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Speaker 3: Yep, so get those nominations in as quick as you can.

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Speaker 3: Nine two ninety two is the ticks number. Also, we

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Speaker 3: want to have a chat about what is the best

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Speaker 3: live event to be a spectator at.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was thinking about this last night. I was

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Speaker 2: him seeing and commentating the Savory Grand Slam twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: five Darts Championship last night with gu Lane and Ben

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Speaker 2: big Reg Rob been Big Reg Rob is a great

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Speaker 2: New Zealander. What a fantastic man. He is a champion

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Speaker 2: And look, it was an awesome event. And I was

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Speaker 2: sitting there as I looked out to people in their costumes.

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Speaker 2: Everyone's dancing along to but da da da da da

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Speaker 2: da da da da da don't sing along with me,

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Speaker 2: todder Love, And I was just thinking, this is a

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Speaker 2: this is a very very very exciting sport to watch

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Speaker 2: and I think people just love it. They get into it.

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Speaker 2: So I've got me thinking, is darts the best event

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Speaker 4: That's right up there? Absolutely?

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Speaker 2: You know. You've got the costumes, you've got the dancing,

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Speaker 2: it's fast paced, it's great. So is it better than league?

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Speaker 2: It's a better go to Mount Spartan football rock concerts,

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Speaker 2: ban some of the orchestras. What is the best love event?

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Speaker 3: And why that is after three o'clock? After two o'clock?

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Speaker 3: Is getting a degree still worth it? Or is a

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Speaker 3: trade the way to financial stability?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, experts are saying it's a bad idea to go

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Speaker 2: to UNI, better to go into the trades. How do

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Speaker 2: you know where your expensive degree is going to go?

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Speaker 2: How do you know it's that career is not just

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Speaker 2: going to be wiped out from underneath you five years

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Speaker 2: from now.

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Speaker 3: Yep, that is going to be a good chat after

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Speaker 3: two o'clock. But right now, let's have a chat about

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Speaker 3: working from home. So from next year, Victorians in Australia

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Speaker 3: will have the legal right to work from home two

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Speaker 3: days every week. Premiere just Cinerellen says, if you can

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Speaker 3: do your job from home, we will make it right,

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Speaker 3: and they've claimed a whole lot of societal benefits. But

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Speaker 3: we want to hear from you our eight hundred and

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Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty working from home? Is this madness what

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Speaker 2: I think that it will destroy their economy and destroy

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Speaker 2: social cohesion. If you're encouraging people to work from home

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Speaker 2: two days a week. Yeah, it's not good. It's not good,

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Speaker 2: you know. But we'd like to hear from you. Have

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Speaker 2: you know, when we've talked about this before last year,

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Speaker 2: in the office, it seems, whereas in Victoria the push

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Speaker 2: wider question can an economy survive with people working from home?

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Speaker 2: Because you know, it's terrible for hospo, it's terrible for

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Speaker 3: to the office, did it destroy your life where you're

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Speaker 3: actually found some love again with being around your colleagues,

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Speaker 3: and if you're still working from home, why do you

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Speaker 3: still love it? Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten

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Speaker 2: There's been a nomination for New Zealand of the Week. Tyler. Yep,

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Speaker 2: Tyler's knows it for New Zealander of the Week.

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Speaker 4: It's right up there, right up there with a nomination.

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Speaker 2: It's definitely in the conversation.

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Speaker 4: Yep. It's ten pasts one.

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Speaker 5: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talk.

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Speaker 3: Zi'd be very good afternoons U thirteen past one. So

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Speaker 3: we're talking about working from home in Victoria. They're going

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Speaker 3: to bring in a law next year that everybody who

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Speaker 3: two days a week. Can and economy survive with that

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Speaker 3: many people working from home?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy. What reasons have they given there? Tyler?

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Speaker 2: What do they think it's going to be good?

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Speaker 3: So this is from the premiere, just sent to allan.

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Speaker 3: So the benefits include reduced congestion and boosting accessibility to employment,

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Speaker 3: including opening jobs up to more women with children.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what congestion is? It's people going places

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Speaker 2: to spend money and do stuff.

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Speaker 4: That's a productive society.

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Speaker 2: Everyone always talking about congestion all the time. Drive me quick,

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Speaker 2: drives me mental. Here's a text, yep, judge mental much?

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Speaker 2: Two days? It should be many days? As the employee wants.

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Speaker 2: Why has Australia better at everything that's supposed to be?

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Speaker 2: Why is Australia better at everything than our idiot country?

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Speaker 2: Our fascist government is forcing everyone out of their homes

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Speaker 2: to work. Why I shall be able to work wherever

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Speaker 2: I want? My work doesn't own me, don't tell me

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Speaker 2: where and when to work. My employee has threatened to

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Speaker 2: I have threatened to take them to the employment court.

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Speaker 2: Watch this space, listen. Just because you pay me doesn't

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Speaker 2: mean you get to decide where I work. I'm working

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Speaker 2: now as I write this to you, and doing a

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Speaker 3: At as it'd be well with the relationship they got

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Speaker 3: would say, if someone's paying you to do a job, yes,

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Speaker 3: they can dictate where you work.

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Speaker 4: Part of the deal.

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Speaker 2: Say if you were when I used to work at

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Speaker 2: Real Groovy Records, they would dictate where I stood in

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Speaker 2: the shop. You're over at that counter, you're out working

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Speaker 2: definitely had the ability to tell me, absolutely to the

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Speaker 3: That's part of the deal. Oh, one hundred and eighty

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Speaker 3: ten eighty. I'd love to hear your thoughts.

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Speaker 2: Shannon, Welcome the show.

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Speaker 3: Hey ya, Hi, So you disagree absolutely, I disagree.

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Speaker 2: I you disagree with Victoria, you disagree with us? Or

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Speaker 2: who do you disagree with Victoria?

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Speaker 6: With both of you saying that the economy is going

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Speaker 6: that there'll be no social cohesions. I've worked remotely one

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Speaker 6: hundred percent remotely for the past few years, and I've

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Speaker 6: also worked in our hybrid model wasn't from home as

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Speaker 6: well as the office, and I think it provides much

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Speaker 6: better work life balance. And then your point about people

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Speaker 6: going into the city to spend money. There's no reason

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Speaker 6: their local community because you're getting time back in your

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Speaker 2: Is that what you're doing. Do you hit out around

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Speaker 2: your house to get lunch and such, Shannon, yep, I do,

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Speaker 2: and after work you meet up with friends and such.

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Speaker 2: I know why I keep saying in.

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Speaker 6: Such, I mean, I don't think being in town changes

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Speaker 6: Auckland is not an easy place to get around.

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Speaker 3: So true, can you see the part of it? Here's

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Speaker 3: where I come edit, Shannon, is the ability to be

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Speaker 3: in a workplace and be around people. We are social animals,

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Speaker 3: and when we have rules like this, and it might

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Speaker 3: that just removes that social connection. So people might not

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Speaker 6: I think what you're arguing, though, it is saying if

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Speaker 6: we were going one hundred percent remote, which is not

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Speaker 6: the argument that we're having. We're saying you get the

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Speaker 6: best of both worlds where some days you can work

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Speaker 6: think we should be relying on work as to be

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Speaker 6: providing us with all our socializing in our life. I

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Speaker 6: as family and friends, and working from home does give

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Speaker 6: you more opportunity to do that.

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Speaker 2: Do you agree, though, that a lot of people meet

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Speaker 2: work in the workplace, And would you agree.

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Speaker 6: That you meet your part no three days a week?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe there's maybe there's a good point, so you

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Speaker 2: you how many how many days you work at home? Though, Senna,

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Speaker 2: I work at home three days a week, three days

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Speaker 2: a week, so you're in the office two days yeah, I'm.

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Speaker 6: Saying that people. If people want to work in the office,

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Speaker 6: I don't think officers are going to say no, you're

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Speaker 6: only allowed to come in to three days a week.

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Speaker 6: I could go into the office five days a week

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Speaker 6: if I wanted, and if I need to go in,

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Speaker 6: I do. But I don't need to go in to

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Speaker 6: socialize with my workmates. How do you I need to collaborate?

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Speaker 2: How do you mainly communicate with your workmates? Shenna, Well,

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Speaker 2: I mean.

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Speaker 6: It depends whatever is required. I mean, if I need

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Speaker 6: him in person. But if I'm at home, it's still

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Speaker 6: just giving a team's call.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, A way as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's just interesting because there've been some studies

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Speaker 2: So does that concern you that you could just be

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Speaker 4: Yeah, good discussion, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 4: Love your Thoughts? Twenty four past one.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking.

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Speaker 9: Breakfast the increase yet again of kids leaving school with

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Speaker 10: I think the education systems become less appealing because you

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Speaker 10: But I think it's also true, while absolutely critical to

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Speaker 4: You we are talking about working from home.

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Speaker 3: Victoria is going to legislate that bosses have to allow

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Speaker 4: Is it that good?

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Speaker 4: One hundred and eighty ten eighty And if you're a boss,

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Speaker 2: The sex it says this is what is going to

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Speaker 2: We allow people to not go to school, we allow

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Speaker 4: That's what I worry about.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Matt and Tyler, I disagree about working from home. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: I have people in my team that work from home

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Speaker 12: Here you going. Look, I've just come back from Melbourne,

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Speaker 12: not going buying anything. The money doesn't go around the economy.

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Speaker 13: And I looked at one.

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Speaker 12: Of my own friends as a retailer, and he goes

439
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Speaker 12: when everyone started working from home and that sort of stuff.

440
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Speaker 12: He says his busiest days were Mondays and Fridays. He said,

441
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Speaker 12: before it used to be on the weekends. And so

442
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Speaker 12: the whole thing has changed the way people spend money

443
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Speaker 12: and interact with people. And it's not good. It's not

444
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Speaker 12: good for society and it's not good for the individuals.

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Speaker 2: Do you think there'd be a situation where villagers grow up,

446
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Speaker 2: so the local cafes and the local bars and the

447
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Speaker 2: local establishment around where people are living in the suburbs

448
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Speaker 2: will start to grow up and replace that CBD business.

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Speaker 12: No, because I've got shops as well, And you're not

450
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Speaker 12: getting the people into the shops either, because you're just

451
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Speaker 12: not getting them out. They're not they're not leaving their

452
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Speaker 12: heights and then like they're sitting at home acting like

453
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Speaker 12: they're working. You know, like the biggest thing they thought

454
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Speaker 12: that that was sold was those clocks that the big

455
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Speaker 12: clocks with the secondhand on it, and they put the

456
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Speaker 12: mouse on it and they will look like you're doing

457
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Speaker 12: clicks on on the mouth. Ye get the mouse alive.

458
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Speaker 12: You know, things like that all the earliest guys. And

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Speaker 12: I look at a lot of these industries like what

460
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Speaker 12: people are doing, well, twenty percent of them are not going

461
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Speaker 12: to exist in five years time to say I because

462
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Speaker 12: they was going to take a lot of them out.

463
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Speaker 12: So putting them at home is like this way I

464
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Speaker 12: laying them off before they've got to get laid off.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it was certainly easier for someone to

466
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Speaker 2: you know, emotionally, and that's that's a part of laying

467
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Speaker 2: people off, is the emotional part of it, because you know,

468
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Speaker 2: most employers, you know, think about their employees and and

469
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Speaker 2: you know, if you know their families and you know,

470
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Speaker 2: you know them personally and you care about their hopes

471
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Speaker 2: and dreams, then that's quite hard to lay them off.

472
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Speaker 2: But if you don't, if you don't know anything about them,

473
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Speaker 2: they're just someone that comes through on a computer screen,

474
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Speaker 2: lives on on the other side of town and doesn't

475
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Speaker 2: come in very often. Then much easier just to go

476
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Speaker 2: line through their job.

477
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Speaker 12: But they're not spending money in the economy either, because

478
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Speaker 12: you know they've got the coffee machine at home. You know,

479
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Speaker 12: they're eating at home. You know they're not going Yeah,

480
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Speaker 12: like you know, they're all picking up their kids at

481
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Speaker 12: three o'clock. You know, like they's running a scheme. And

482
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Speaker 12: you look at all these countries now, all these Western

483
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Speaker 12: countries so become unprofitable. And the thing is, you look

484
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Speaker 12: at it, we've tied ourselves up in so much paperwork

485
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Speaker 12: that we actually don't create an you think anymore. We're

486
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Speaker 12: not wealth economies anymore. We're consumer economies, but we're not

487
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Speaker 12: creative economies.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And then and if we're at home, then we're

489
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Speaker 2: not even really service consumer economies where order things from

490
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Speaker 2: overseas economies. And then that's just a big plug where

491
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Speaker 2: all the money just heads out towards TIMO.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I know I see it all the time. Look,

493
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Speaker 12: I live in an area and I look at the

494
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Speaker 12: courier companies come through, and like there'll be three or

495
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Speaker 12: four career companies come through a day and we're on

496
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Speaker 12: a street. There's ainly twelve hours.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Part of me, Steve, I look at these things like

499
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Speaker 3: working from home, and I don't agree. I don't think

500
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Speaker 3: that's a good way to be productive, or to get

501
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Speaker 3: the best out of people, or to actually do what's

502
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Speaker 3: good for their mental health as well. But part of

503
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Speaker 3: me looks at the four day weeks, at the system

504
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Speaker 3: that's been implemented. I think there is some structural change

505
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Speaker 3: that can be looked at and how we work as society.

506
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Speaker 4: But this, to me isn't it.

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Speaker 3: But that's not to say I don't think there's other

508
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Speaker 3: things we could do to get us more productive, to

509
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Speaker 3: allow us to have a bit more work life balance.

510
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Speaker 4: What would you say to that, Yeah.

511
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Speaker 12: The four day week's good as long as they're doing

512
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Speaker 12: the ten nowadays, and I know companies that do it,

513
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Speaker 12: and they go, these guys pump up because they've got

514
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Speaker 12: a three day weekend and you know that keen to work.

515
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Speaker 12: And the other thing is what they all noticed was

516
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Speaker 12: a downtime was less because they put more resent and

517
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Speaker 12: on the way through, so there was you know, the

518
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Speaker 12: smow coos were stretched out more. You know, so they

519
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Speaker 12: kept on, they kept onto the grindstone instead of just

520
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Speaker 12: oh no, we've got a smoke in fifteen minutes, all least,

521
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Speaker 12: just take it easy. Well, the next smoke I was

522
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Speaker 12: going to be an hour and a half.

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Speaker 2: It's one of those things they do that that those

524
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Speaker 2: equations and they can't quite work out what it is.

525
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Speaker 2: But jobs take as long as the time you've got.

526
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

527
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Speaker 12: But I love the guys who were running certain factories

528
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Speaker 12: and they were doing it, and that was like everyone

529
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Speaker 12: was so rapped for it because the guys were like, oh, well,

530
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Speaker 12: I've got a Friday off. Everyone was off on the Friday,

531
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Speaker 12: and they were rapped for it, you know, because the

532
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Speaker 12: weekend seemed longer and they had more resk periods and

533
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Speaker 12: all they were doing was, you know, an extra two

534
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Speaker 12: and a half hours a day.

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Speaker 2: Well, there you go. Thank you so much for your call, Steve.

536
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Speaker 2: We've got I've got a pretty angry text that's pushing

537
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Speaker 2: back on that call. So we'll get to that next.

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Speaker 3: There is twenty six to two headlines coming up, and

539
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Speaker 3: then we'll read out that text.

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Speaker 4: Hu's talks.

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Speaker 14: They'd be head with Blue Bubble Taxis. It's no trouble

542
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Speaker 14: with a blue bubble. The Police Association staunchly rejecting a

543
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Speaker 14: coroner's scathing findings into the twenty sixteen fatal shooting of

544
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Speaker 14: shargin Stevens. Coroner Michael Robb found police failed to de escalate,

545
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Speaker 14: but Association president Chris Carholl says he disagrees the death

546
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Speaker 14: was preventable. Labour's Education spokesperson's confident in how she handled

547
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Speaker 14: the lead up to the government NCA announcement. Will O

548
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Speaker 14: gene Prime did not respond to emails from the Education Minister,

549
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Speaker 14: but says she was gathering information before trying to arrange

550
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Speaker 14: a meeting. A twelve year old boy is seriously injured

551
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Speaker 14: after crashing a stolen car in christ Church overnight. The

552
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Speaker 14: Serious Crash Unit and police are investigating. Canterbury Police are

553
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Speaker 14: coppying it from all sides of the political spectrum for

554
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Speaker 14: the process around a proposed restructure and wider Canterbury Venerated farmers,

555
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Speaker 14: City councilors and schools are also concerned the lack of

556
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Speaker 14: community consultation. Plus Matthew Houston on wy New Zealand's economic

557
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Speaker 14: we should take priority over race debates see the full column.

558
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Speaker 14: It ends it here on premium. Now back to Matt

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Speaker 14: and Tyler.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Wendy. We are talking about working

561
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Speaker 3: from home. Next year Victorians in Australia, we'll have the

562
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Speaker 3: legal right to work from home two days every week.

563
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Speaker 3: So can and economy survive with so many people working

564
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Speaker 3: from home?

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Speaker 4: Love to hear your.

566
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Speaker 2: Thoughts, Yeah, listen to this next here. Listening to you

567
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Speaker 2: rich assholes like Steve and Matt telling people where and

568
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Speaker 2: when to work makes me sick. Who are you to

569
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Speaker 2: force me onto a bus in the morning at night? Well,

570
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Speaker 2: no one. I also absolutely no power order Steve to

571
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Speaker 2: force you to do anything.

572
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Speaker 4: You can walk, get a bike.

573
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Speaker 2: How's talking about something forcing someone onto a bus.

574
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Speaker 4: No one's putting a gun to your here to get

575
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Speaker 4: on that bus now.

576
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Speaker 2: I'm not chasing it down the street with the taser.

577
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Speaker 2: In the morning, I work from home and my workload

578
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Speaker 2: has tripled as I live on my own with absolutely

579
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Speaker 2: no interruptions, don't have to chat idle chat. I start

580
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Speaker 2: about half an hour earlier than my start time and

581
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Speaker 2: finish up an hour later because I don't have to

582
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Speaker 2: rush home. I'm here. My bosses can see exactly what

583
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Speaker 2: I'm doing. And how much and totally blown away at

584
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Speaker 2: my output. It's a win win for the company and me. Well, congratulations,

585
00:26:20,613 --> 00:26:22,853
Speaker 2: that sounds great. But you know a lot of people

586
00:26:22,893 --> 00:26:25,853
Speaker 2: saying the idle chit chat isn't the idle chit chat

587
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Speaker 2: between you and other human beings the spice of life?

588
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Speaker 2: Isn't that a lot? I mean, I'm enjoy my chit

589
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Speaker 2: chat with my workmates.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the I mean, that's a big dart of culture, right.

591
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Speaker 2: I mean might not be great for public productivity, but

592
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Speaker 2: I love being interrupted by people. And Jetty yeah after

593
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Speaker 2: the mental health absolutely, Craig, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, hi guys. Oh look, there's so much to and

595
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Speaker 7: pack from all that isn't really like There's so many

596
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Speaker 7: things I agree and disagree with. So I've worked from

597
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Speaker 7: home for the last three years and in a not

598
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Speaker 7: a hybrid environment, so it's just been killing working from home.

599
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Speaker 7: Now I can agree read with the some of the

600
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Speaker 7: things that were raised there about Yeah, it's quite easy

601
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Speaker 7: to you know, lay people off if you like, because

602
00:27:19,253 --> 00:27:22,373
Speaker 7: you're not dealing with them face to face. I think

603
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Speaker 7: that's possibly something that's occurred for me. So I was

604
00:27:26,573 --> 00:27:29,213
Speaker 7: with a company for two years and then due to

605
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Speaker 7: a few issues, they decided to just keep staff that

606
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Speaker 7: came to the office. And I can kind of understand

607
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Speaker 7: that I was working with a couple hundred kilometers away

608
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Speaker 7: from where the office was and it had only met

609
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Speaker 7: those people on one or two limited occasions. So I

610
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Speaker 7: think that has a bit of there's a bit of

611
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Speaker 7: common sense to that. As for people that are saying

612
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Speaker 7: people that are living that are working from home and

613
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Speaker 7: not productive, I disagree with that. It is you can

614
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Speaker 7: be really productive and the systems that are in place today,

615
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Speaker 7: if you're not product and you're not actually performing, that's

616
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Speaker 7: pretty evident really quickly. So I appropoo that that idea

617
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Speaker 7: a little bit. You can just sit there and click

618
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Speaker 7: your mouth if you're I'm.

619
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Speaker 2: Thinking about that episode. Do you remember that episode of

620
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Speaker 2: The Simpsons where Homer had that drinking chicken and it

621
00:28:23,893 --> 00:28:28,973
Speaker 2: was just pressing yes, yes, yes, ended up in a

622
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Speaker 2: complete nuclear powerpound mountdown.

623
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Speaker 7: But yeah, yeah, So yeah, I think that realistically that

624
00:28:36,013 --> 00:28:39,853
Speaker 7: doesn't happen very much. Maybe in some roles, but none

625
00:28:39,853 --> 00:28:43,453
Speaker 7: that I've seen. Normally, you've got to be productive, You're

626
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Speaker 7: expected to perform to at least the Saint standards somebody

627
00:28:47,813 --> 00:28:53,133
Speaker 7: that's in the office, I have personally given away that.

628
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Speaker 7: And I'm starting a new job next week where I'm

629
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Speaker 7: going to be back in the office and yes, front

630
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Speaker 7: to front, And I made that decision purely based on

631
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Speaker 7: my own metal else.

632
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Speaker 4: So the isolation wasn't good for you in the end, Craig, not.

633
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Speaker 7: Really, Like I mean, I didn't did not enjoy what

634
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Speaker 7: I was doing. I quite enjoyed what I was doing,

635
00:29:20,813 --> 00:29:23,293
Speaker 7: but I just sort of eventually sort of got to

636
00:29:23,333 --> 00:29:26,733
Speaker 7: the point where I really miss human contact and getting

637
00:29:26,773 --> 00:29:30,173
Speaker 7: out with people, dealing with people face to face. It's

638
00:29:30,213 --> 00:29:34,453
Speaker 7: a lot more fun being sort of isolated. So it

639
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Speaker 7: wasn't a financial decision or a decision where I kind

640
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Speaker 7: of wasn't meeting targets or anything like that. It was

641
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Speaker 7: more just a yeah, for my own wellbeing. I think

642
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Speaker 7: it's important.

643
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think every single study that you ever see

644
00:29:49,013 --> 00:29:51,253
Speaker 2: on it says that the more time humans spend with

645
00:29:51,293 --> 00:29:54,053
Speaker 2: other humans, the happier they are. And obviously there's outliers

646
00:29:54,093 --> 00:29:57,893
Speaker 2: that that that's not the case, but generally speaking, if

647
00:29:57,973 --> 00:30:01,493
Speaker 2: you're around other people, you feel better. And even that

648
00:30:01,573 --> 00:30:03,653
Speaker 2: politics in the back and forth, I mean, there's there's

649
00:30:03,693 --> 00:30:07,653
Speaker 2: been some discussion around unleashing your politics in the workplace

650
00:30:07,733 --> 00:30:10,213
Speaker 2: rather than that. So if you're angry at that a

651
00:30:10,293 --> 00:30:13,373
Speaker 2: hole at work, then you can come home and feel

652
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Speaker 2: more pleasant about your family. There's there's there's lots of

653
00:30:16,613 --> 00:30:19,173
Speaker 2: dynamics there. What do you think about the idea? Because

654
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Speaker 2: you know, it's been said that one of the reasons

655
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Speaker 2: why the Crusader's rugby team is so successful is because

656
00:30:24,773 --> 00:30:28,373
Speaker 2: they can live closer to the stadium. And when they

657
00:30:28,373 --> 00:30:30,133
Speaker 2: can live closer to where they practice, they can go

658
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Speaker 2: out to cafes together, and they can they can have

659
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Speaker 2: a community together, so they become more of a coheresive,

660
00:30:35,293 --> 00:30:38,293
Speaker 2: cohesive team as opposed to say the Blues, because it's

661
00:30:38,373 --> 00:30:40,133
Speaker 2: because the way Aucklands laid out, they all live in

662
00:30:40,173 --> 00:30:43,053
Speaker 2: different stubburbs. They come together to practice and then that's

663
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Speaker 2: that's it. They're off again. So do you think there's

664
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Speaker 2: something and being part of a team and being greater

665
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Speaker 2: than the sum of your parts, because because you're working

666
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Speaker 2: together in the big, big, big fight together, you know,

667
00:30:56,173 --> 00:30:56,973
Speaker 2: shoulder to shoulder.

668
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Speaker 7: Look absolutely, I honestly think that, like I'd worked in

669
00:31:03,013 --> 00:31:07,653
Speaker 7: an environment for forty odd years where you're face to

670
00:31:07,693 --> 00:31:10,293
Speaker 7: face with you clients, you're face to face with your

671
00:31:10,293 --> 00:31:14,493
Speaker 7: team members, you dealt with everything, And I do honestly

672
00:31:14,573 --> 00:31:19,933
Speaker 7: think that this online environment of working from home is

673
00:31:20,053 --> 00:31:23,573
Speaker 7: really not that great for businesses because you miss that

674
00:31:23,733 --> 00:31:29,733
Speaker 7: problem solving capability a lot. It's sort of yes, you

675
00:31:30,093 --> 00:31:33,133
Speaker 7: have meetings where you have an online meeting with your

676
00:31:34,013 --> 00:31:36,693
Speaker 7: with people in the same field, but it's not the

677
00:31:36,733 --> 00:31:39,413
Speaker 7: same as dealing with day to day issues and going, hey,

678
00:31:39,573 --> 00:31:41,933
Speaker 7: we could actually resolve that quite quickly by just having

679
00:31:41,933 --> 00:31:45,413
Speaker 7: this quick this conversation between X amount of team members.

680
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Speaker 7: So yeah, I do think it's I don't think it's

681
00:31:48,653 --> 00:31:50,733
Speaker 7: great for businesses. I don't think it's if you're really

682
00:31:50,813 --> 00:31:57,413
Speaker 7: that great for anybody totally. There are positions where yes,

683
00:31:57,453 --> 00:32:00,773
Speaker 7: obviously just working from home, if you're just punching numbers

684
00:32:01,733 --> 00:32:04,613
Speaker 7: probably works great. But a lot of our businesses in

685
00:32:04,653 --> 00:32:09,453
Speaker 7: New Zealand we're very driven by forces that come in

686
00:32:09,693 --> 00:32:11,413
Speaker 7: and change on a day to day basis.

687
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Speaker 11: So I agree with you.

688
00:32:13,173 --> 00:32:15,733
Speaker 7: I think, yeah, the Crusader's analogy is probably a really

689
00:32:15,733 --> 00:32:16,293
Speaker 7: good one.

690
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Speaker 2: Well, Craig, thanks so much for your call and good

691
00:32:20,453 --> 00:32:22,773
Speaker 2: luck with your with your back into the workplace. We'd

692
00:32:22,813 --> 00:32:24,573
Speaker 2: love to hear how that how that turns out, You're

693
00:32:24,613 --> 00:32:26,533
Speaker 2: going to be a perfect position to make a comparison.

694
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Speaker 4: Absolutely.

695
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Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

696
00:32:29,773 --> 00:32:32,133
Speaker 3: Love to hear your thoughts. Canon economy survive. With so

697
00:32:32,213 --> 00:32:36,173
Speaker 3: many people working home in Victoria, they're obviously going to

698
00:32:36,173 --> 00:32:38,613
Speaker 3: bring in a little next year. That makes it mandatory

699
00:32:38,813 --> 00:32:39,653
Speaker 3: for bosses.

700
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Speaker 4: To allow people to work from home two days a week.

701
00:32:41,133 --> 00:32:44,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that just that that is the posh,

702
00:32:44,533 --> 00:32:46,573
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Maybe there's been Shannon had

703
00:32:46,613 --> 00:32:48,813
Speaker 2: a great argument before why she could work home and

704
00:32:49,133 --> 00:32:51,133
Speaker 2: it seems to work for her right. But if that

705
00:32:51,293 --> 00:32:55,453
Speaker 2: is the the posh from from Victoria, from the government there,

706
00:32:55,933 --> 00:32:58,653
Speaker 2: then I think that will have a massive effect. That

707
00:32:58,653 --> 00:33:00,613
Speaker 2: that is the vibe they want, That is the that

708
00:33:00,773 --> 00:33:03,813
Speaker 2: is the situation that there that they want to go ahead.

709
00:33:03,533 --> 00:33:05,173
Speaker 4: So force businesses to do it. Yees.

710
00:33:05,373 --> 00:33:07,613
Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

711
00:33:07,653 --> 00:33:08,493
Speaker 3: It is a quarter to to.

712
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Speaker 4: Have a chat with the lads.

713
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Speaker 1: On eight hundred eighty ten eighty, Matt Heathen Tyler Adams

714
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Speaker 1: Afternoons News Talk said, be.

715
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Speaker 3: Very good afternoon, due it is twelve to two. Having

716
00:33:18,893 --> 00:33:21,453
Speaker 3: a great discussion about working from home. This is a

717
00:33:21,493 --> 00:33:24,133
Speaker 3: good text Getty guys, great conversation about working from home

718
00:33:24,213 --> 00:33:26,493
Speaker 3: versus working from an office. I work for a company

719
00:33:26,533 --> 00:33:30,013
Speaker 3: which has offices around the country. They work from home

720
00:33:30,093 --> 00:33:32,533
Speaker 3: policy in Auckland in particular, has meant that the office

721
00:33:32,533 --> 00:33:35,213
Speaker 3: from Monday to Friday is pretty much deserted except for

722
00:33:35,253 --> 00:33:37,173
Speaker 3: a day when it's compulsory for people to come in.

723
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Speaker 3: The work culture has been completely decimated. I understand the

724
00:33:41,213 --> 00:33:43,413
Speaker 3: benefits of working from home, but I also understand the

725
00:33:43,413 --> 00:33:46,733
Speaker 3: importance of work culture. Work culture must come first, otherwise

726
00:33:46,773 --> 00:33:47,973
Speaker 3: what is the point of a company.

727
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Speaker 2: Companies need to do Tyler, Yes, Matt, they need to

728
00:33:52,093 --> 00:33:55,293
Speaker 2: bring back things like the drinks trolley. Oh yes, and

729
00:33:55,373 --> 00:33:57,653
Speaker 2: work drinks because at the same time, from you know,

730
00:33:57,693 --> 00:34:00,093
Speaker 2: when people have been starting to work home, it's the

731
00:34:00,133 --> 00:34:06,773
Speaker 2: same time when companies have started instigating anti work community policies. Yeah,

732
00:34:06,813 --> 00:34:09,773
Speaker 2: like shutting down work drinks and making it difficult to

733
00:34:10,213 --> 00:34:13,652
Speaker 2: have staff get togethers in the like. Right, bring back

734
00:34:13,692 --> 00:34:15,813
Speaker 2: the drinks trolley and you'll have more people coming in

735
00:34:15,853 --> 00:34:16,413
Speaker 2: on a Friday.

736
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Speaker 4: We all love a Friday drink, that's for sure.

737
00:34:18,933 --> 00:34:21,692
Speaker 2: One hundred and there used to be before your time, Tyler,

738
00:34:21,693 --> 00:34:24,333
Speaker 2: there used to be a drinks trolley at in radio.

739
00:34:24,413 --> 00:34:25,413
Speaker 4: You used to man it, didn't you?

740
00:34:25,933 --> 00:34:29,773
Speaker 2: Whenever I could wiel that round about drinkings eating chips,

741
00:34:30,373 --> 00:34:33,253
Speaker 2: negative nancies you fellas. I am work from home and

742
00:34:33,413 --> 00:34:35,733
Speaker 2: work so hard. I live in a different city from

743
00:34:35,773 --> 00:34:37,733
Speaker 2: the company I work for, and I'm thankful they are

744
00:34:37,773 --> 00:34:41,413
Speaker 2: progressive thinkers. We have regular camera on teams, meetings, how

745
00:34:41,493 --> 00:34:44,053
Speaker 2: to account on work volume, and most of all are trusted.

746
00:34:44,293 --> 00:34:46,533
Speaker 2: In my previous role, I sat in traffic over two

747
00:34:46,573 --> 00:34:49,293
Speaker 2: hours a day, which would normally be a fifteen minute

748
00:34:49,333 --> 00:34:51,573
Speaker 2: trip each way. I walk into my office at home

749
00:34:51,613 --> 00:34:53,573
Speaker 2: and only leave to get a coffee, go to the loo,

750
00:34:53,693 --> 00:34:56,893
Speaker 2: or grab food to eat at my desk. As for

751
00:34:56,973 --> 00:34:59,253
Speaker 2: the idle chit chat, I get plenty of that on

752
00:34:59,333 --> 00:35:02,453
Speaker 2: teams with my workmates. Huge companies, so very varied. Benefit

753
00:35:02,533 --> 00:35:05,173
Speaker 2: for my company too is that I normally still work

754
00:35:05,213 --> 00:35:09,133
Speaker 2: when I'm sick. Stop downing on us with work from home.

755
00:35:09,173 --> 00:35:11,333
Speaker 2: As as we don't all slack off, some of us

756
00:35:11,413 --> 00:35:14,253
Speaker 2: have discipline. Christina, well, thank you very much for they

757
00:35:14,293 --> 00:35:16,373
Speaker 2: takes you sound like the ideal work from Homer.

758
00:35:16,573 --> 00:35:19,773
Speaker 4: Absolutely, Mitchell, how are you this afternoon?

759
00:35:20,173 --> 00:35:22,973
Speaker 15: Guys, I've got good, good, good good, I've got I've

760
00:35:23,013 --> 00:35:25,973
Speaker 15: just been sitting here getting exercised about this whole conversation

761
00:35:26,373 --> 00:35:29,293
Speaker 15: and how much oxygen has been wasted around this conversation.

762
00:35:29,733 --> 00:35:31,252
Speaker 15: So I've got a couple of I've got a couple

763
00:35:31,253 --> 00:35:37,853
Speaker 15: of thoughts. We've become such an entitlement community, human race,

764
00:35:37,933 --> 00:35:39,613
Speaker 15: with such an entitlement mentality.

765
00:35:39,853 --> 00:35:40,493
Speaker 1: Here's the thing.

766
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Speaker 15: If you're selling your time and your skills to someone

767
00:35:44,773 --> 00:35:47,333
Speaker 15: that's paying you for that, I got the bad news

768
00:35:47,333 --> 00:35:50,813
Speaker 15: for you. You have got no entitlement. You know, if

769
00:35:50,813 --> 00:35:52,853
Speaker 15: you're told to work from if your job is to

770
00:35:52,893 --> 00:35:55,933
Speaker 15: work in the in the office, you work from the office.

771
00:35:57,733 --> 00:36:00,533
Speaker 15: Where where did where did where did this negotiation come

772
00:36:00,533 --> 00:36:03,493
Speaker 15: from that you can work from home. I just don't

773
00:36:03,573 --> 00:36:07,293
Speaker 15: understand that. And the hater is going to hate my comments, right,

774
00:36:07,293 --> 00:36:10,973
Speaker 15: But at the end of a day, if if I'm

775
00:36:11,013 --> 00:36:13,053
Speaker 15: paying you to do that job, if I'm paying you

776
00:36:13,093 --> 00:36:16,693
Speaker 15: for your services for your time, you work where I tell.

777
00:36:16,613 --> 00:36:17,093
Speaker 16: You to work.

778
00:36:17,653 --> 00:36:19,493
Speaker 7: You work when I tell you to work, and if.

779
00:36:19,333 --> 00:36:22,093
Speaker 15: You don't like it, go and work somewhere else.

780
00:36:23,053 --> 00:36:25,293
Speaker 2: Which is which is the interesting thing mitchill about this

781
00:36:25,813 --> 00:36:28,413
Speaker 2: legislation in Victoria it's not New Zealand, it's in Victoria.

782
00:36:28,453 --> 00:36:31,453
Speaker 2: But what what what's the exact wording of it. They're

783
00:36:31,493 --> 00:36:34,692
Speaker 2: mandating mandating that if they if workplaces can, then they

784
00:36:34,733 --> 00:36:36,692
Speaker 2: have to allow for people to work from home two

785
00:36:36,773 --> 00:36:37,172
Speaker 2: days a week.

786
00:36:37,253 --> 00:36:40,893
Speaker 15: Absolutely ridiculous, Absolutely ridiculous. And I think at the end

787
00:36:40,893 --> 00:36:44,093
Speaker 15: of the day, you know, and if you start, if

788
00:36:44,133 --> 00:36:46,933
Speaker 15: you if you if you apply for a job and

789
00:36:47,053 --> 00:36:48,773
Speaker 15: you know what the terms of conditions are when you

790
00:36:48,813 --> 00:36:51,013
Speaker 15: when you apply for that job, then you abbide by

791
00:36:51,053 --> 00:36:52,893
Speaker 15: the terms of conditions. If you have to work from

792
00:36:52,893 --> 00:36:54,253
Speaker 15: the office, you work from the office.

793
00:36:54,493 --> 00:36:54,893
Speaker 1: None of this.

794
00:36:55,453 --> 00:36:57,693
Speaker 15: I want to work from home? Can I work from home?

795
00:36:58,573 --> 00:37:01,053
Speaker 15: You know, saving time on the bus and all that

796
00:37:01,133 --> 00:37:03,253
Speaker 15: kind of stuff. I think it's just ridiculous. At the

797
00:37:03,293 --> 00:37:04,733
Speaker 15: end of a dad, the employee calls the shots. If

798
00:37:04,733 --> 00:37:06,172
Speaker 15: you don't like you go work somewhere else.

799
00:37:06,493 --> 00:37:08,053
Speaker 4: Yeah, nicely.

800
00:37:08,093 --> 00:37:12,293
Speaker 2: See Matt did not man the drinks trolley back in

801
00:37:12,293 --> 00:37:15,373
Speaker 2: the day. I knew him back then. He mainly followed

802
00:37:15,373 --> 00:37:17,893
Speaker 2: around the drinks trolley drinking from it. To justify it.

803
00:37:18,013 --> 00:37:19,853
Speaker 4: Yeah, truths out. I think we all knew that.

804
00:37:19,933 --> 00:37:21,493
Speaker 2: Yeah, with this intrumant, there's some truth in that.

805
00:37:22,213 --> 00:37:24,053
Speaker 4: It is eight to two, oh eight hundred and eighty

806
00:37:24,053 --> 00:37:25,133
Speaker 4: ten eighties. Another call.

807
00:37:26,533 --> 00:37:29,732
Speaker 1: Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on Oh eight

808
00:37:29,813 --> 00:37:32,213
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Taylor

809
00:37:32,253 --> 00:37:34,213
Speaker 1: Adams Afternoons.

810
00:37:33,613 --> 00:37:35,613
Speaker 4: News talks'd be afternoon.

811
00:37:35,653 --> 00:37:37,772
Speaker 3: It is five to two and we have been talking

812
00:37:37,773 --> 00:37:40,533
Speaker 3: about working from home. The Victorians have got a mandate

813
00:37:41,013 --> 00:37:43,293
Speaker 3: that any employee who can work from home is allowed

814
00:37:43,293 --> 00:37:44,573
Speaker 3: to two days a week.

815
00:37:44,973 --> 00:37:47,172
Speaker 2: Mitchell is wrong. If a company wants my skill set,

816
00:37:47,213 --> 00:37:49,813
Speaker 2: they need to meet my conditions around where, what and

817
00:37:49,853 --> 00:37:52,973
Speaker 2: how much. Once we agree, we stick to that contract. Yeah.

818
00:37:52,973 --> 00:37:55,813
Speaker 2: I mean that's good, good, you know, good point. It

819
00:37:55,853 --> 00:37:59,213
Speaker 2: depends what sort of power relationship you've got with your employee.

820
00:37:59,213 --> 00:38:02,773
Speaker 2: If they need you a lot, yeah, then you get

821
00:38:02,813 --> 00:38:05,413
Speaker 2: to make some conditions. But if they don't need you

822
00:38:05,453 --> 00:38:07,973
Speaker 2: that much and they think you're replaceable, then you probably

823
00:38:07,973 --> 00:38:10,853
Speaker 2: don't have the ability to make your working conditions.

824
00:38:11,013 --> 00:38:13,453
Speaker 4: Yep, suit you exactly. It's a very good point.

825
00:38:13,533 --> 00:38:15,653
Speaker 3: And that was the case, you know, not long after

826
00:38:16,053 --> 00:38:18,933
Speaker 3: COVID that employees had the power, and now I believe

827
00:38:18,973 --> 00:38:19,893
Speaker 3: that they probably don't.

828
00:38:19,933 --> 00:38:21,013
Speaker 4: It's a tough market out there.

829
00:38:21,093 --> 00:38:23,173
Speaker 2: All my friends that work from home say they're laughing

830
00:38:23,213 --> 00:38:27,253
Speaker 2: at their employeer visitors anytime stop when we want. Definitely

831
00:38:27,293 --> 00:38:29,692
Speaker 2: don't work as hard, no discipline, it's no brainer. Working

832
00:38:29,693 --> 00:38:32,013
Speaker 2: from business premises as far better and more productive.

833
00:38:32,173 --> 00:38:34,013
Speaker 4: Yep, and this one and get our guys.

834
00:38:34,053 --> 00:38:35,773
Speaker 3: I have the perfect balance two days in the office

835
00:38:35,773 --> 00:38:39,133
Speaker 3: to work from home in one rostered day off. Hands down,

836
00:38:39,333 --> 00:38:41,573
Speaker 3: so much more productive at home. I hate the constant

837
00:38:41,613 --> 00:38:44,533
Speaker 3: interruptions and boring chit chat. I have a super super

838
00:38:44,573 --> 00:38:46,813
Speaker 3: busy job. Everyone his self is this, and I only

839
00:38:46,853 --> 00:38:48,373
Speaker 3: want to talk about themselves. It's tiring.

840
00:38:48,453 --> 00:38:51,173
Speaker 4: I smash out two times the work in less time.

841
00:38:51,373 --> 00:38:52,212
Speaker 4: Keep up the good work.

842
00:38:52,413 --> 00:38:54,853
Speaker 2: Well, it's not happening in New Zealand. No as yet.

843
00:38:55,453 --> 00:38:55,652
Speaker 17: Fet.

844
00:38:55,693 --> 00:38:57,692
Speaker 2: The push here seems to be more towards getting people

845
00:38:57,733 --> 00:38:59,893
Speaker 2: back into the office. But in Victoria you're going to

846
00:39:00,133 --> 00:39:05,053
Speaker 2: mandate that's your employee must enable you to do two

847
00:39:05,293 --> 00:39:07,533
Speaker 2: days a week at home. Hey, just to head up,

848
00:39:07,573 --> 00:39:09,692
Speaker 2: heads up, guys, if you're working from home, then your

849
00:39:09,693 --> 00:39:13,333
Speaker 2: home is your employee's workplace. Regular h and s audits

850
00:39:13,373 --> 00:39:15,692
Speaker 2: need to be done at plants, tests and tag et cetera,

851
00:39:15,693 --> 00:39:18,533
Speaker 2: et cetera. Cheers, that's an HR consultant.

852
00:39:18,613 --> 00:39:20,373
Speaker 3: Wow, that's a lot of faffing about and a lot

853
00:39:20,373 --> 00:39:22,493
Speaker 3: of Edmond. Wow, sheep has got to know that.

854
00:39:22,653 --> 00:39:24,293
Speaker 2: Got to sit at your computer with a hard hat

855
00:39:24,333 --> 00:39:26,573
Speaker 2: on and am over's vest.

856
00:39:26,653 --> 00:39:28,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, good luck, right, coming up after two o'clock. Is

857
00:39:28,973 --> 00:39:31,173
Speaker 3: getting a degree still worth it? Or is a trade?

858
00:39:31,213 --> 00:39:33,573
Speaker 3: The way to go? Love your thoughts. I eight hundred

859
00:39:33,613 --> 00:39:34,732
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty is the number to.

860
00:39:34,693 --> 00:39:41,573
Speaker 1: Call talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor

861
00:39:41,613 --> 00:39:43,893
Speaker 1: Adams Afternoons News Talks.

862
00:39:43,933 --> 00:39:46,493
Speaker 4: It'd be welcome back into the show.

863
00:39:46,533 --> 00:39:50,172
Speaker 3: Great to have your company is always, particularly on a Friday.

864
00:39:50,333 --> 00:39:52,973
Speaker 3: This is going to be an interesting discussion getting a

865
00:39:53,013 --> 00:39:56,773
Speaker 3: degree versus getting into the trade, which one provides more

866
00:39:56,773 --> 00:39:58,212
Speaker 3: financial stability in.

867
00:39:58,173 --> 00:39:58,973
Speaker 4: The long run.

868
00:39:59,333 --> 00:40:02,453
Speaker 3: Great story this morning, and it appears, according to the

869
00:40:02,453 --> 00:40:05,493
Speaker 3: experts spoken to, that that balance or the equation has

870
00:40:05,533 --> 00:40:08,213
Speaker 3: started starting to shift more towards the trade.

871
00:40:08,413 --> 00:40:11,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, so at least you're getting paid kind of right

872
00:40:11,013 --> 00:40:13,253
Speaker 2: from the start. It reminds me of that game, the

873
00:40:13,333 --> 00:40:14,933
Speaker 2: Game of life. Do you play the Game of life?

874
00:40:15,173 --> 00:40:17,413
Speaker 4: Yes, not for a long time, but I remember it.

875
00:40:17,493 --> 00:40:20,173
Speaker 2: You had that choice where you're driving, you're going on

876
00:40:20,213 --> 00:40:22,133
Speaker 2: in your car and You could go through a degree

877
00:40:22,533 --> 00:40:24,732
Speaker 2: and you don't earn money for a while, but when

878
00:40:24,733 --> 00:40:26,133
Speaker 2: you come out the other end, you earn a lot

879
00:40:26,173 --> 00:40:29,413
Speaker 2: more money. Or you can go straight into work and

880
00:40:29,613 --> 00:40:31,613
Speaker 2: you're earning money then, and then you've got to decide

881
00:40:31,613 --> 00:40:33,093
Speaker 2: how that's going to work out by the end of

882
00:40:33,093 --> 00:40:35,133
Speaker 2: the game of life, right, it's right, Yeah, But it

883
00:40:35,253 --> 00:40:39,693
Speaker 2: seems that the university degree, now, if they're making the

884
00:40:39,733 --> 00:40:42,093
Speaker 2: game of life, that wouldn't be the guarantee. It wouldn't

885
00:40:42,093 --> 00:40:44,653
Speaker 2: be the guarantee that taking that detour for four years

886
00:40:45,053 --> 00:40:47,013
Speaker 2: on the game of life is going to end up

887
00:40:47,013 --> 00:40:48,293
Speaker 2: with you earning more money by the.

888
00:40:48,373 --> 00:40:50,973
Speaker 3: End exactly one hundred and eighty ten eighty Is a

889
00:40:50,973 --> 00:40:53,013
Speaker 3: degree still worth it? Or is getting into a trade

890
00:40:53,213 --> 00:40:54,013
Speaker 3: a better way to go?

891
00:40:54,253 --> 00:40:57,453
Speaker 2: Yeah? And the big question, as seems to be across

892
00:40:57,453 --> 00:41:01,893
Speaker 2: everything these days, is AI and what jobs AI is

893
00:41:01,933 --> 00:41:04,933
Speaker 2: going to remove, because it would seem to me that

894
00:41:05,133 --> 00:41:10,973
Speaker 2: right now currently that the trades are less at risk

895
00:41:11,053 --> 00:41:11,493
Speaker 2: from AI.

896
00:41:12,413 --> 00:41:14,813
Speaker 3: It feels that way that AI is coming in fast.

897
00:41:14,853 --> 00:41:17,573
Speaker 3: We all know that, and as it stands at the moment,

898
00:41:17,693 --> 00:41:22,253
Speaker 3: arguably the work that we can do mentally as human species,

899
00:41:22,653 --> 00:41:25,533
Speaker 3: AI is fast becoming very good at that, whereas trying

900
00:41:25,573 --> 00:41:27,893
Speaker 3: to build a robot to put your house together might

901
00:41:27,893 --> 00:41:28,453
Speaker 3: be a bit harder.

902
00:41:28,693 --> 00:41:30,973
Speaker 2: Well, twenty two thousand dollars a year, let's say, just

903
00:41:30,973 --> 00:41:34,453
Speaker 2: to pull a number out of my butt, twenty two thousand,

904
00:41:34,533 --> 00:41:37,493
Speaker 2: it's sa a year for a degree, yep, And university

905
00:41:37,533 --> 00:41:40,493
Speaker 2: maybe that takes you four years while someone else is

906
00:41:40,613 --> 00:41:44,533
Speaker 2: training and learning a skill that they can maybe start

907
00:41:44,533 --> 00:41:48,773
Speaker 2: a business with then and not knowing if the qualification

908
00:41:48,813 --> 00:41:51,373
Speaker 2: you're getting at university is just going to be wiped out.

909
00:41:51,813 --> 00:41:55,293
Speaker 2: I mean, if you look at say, let's just grab accountancy, law.

910
00:41:55,573 --> 00:41:59,172
Speaker 2: Even surgeons say, if you take law, you know we're

911
00:41:59,173 --> 00:42:01,773
Speaker 2: always going to probably going to need the upper end

912
00:42:02,213 --> 00:42:06,333
Speaker 2: of legal advice. But what about all the entry level

913
00:42:06,413 --> 00:42:08,172
Speaker 2: jobs that you get into a law firm that get

914
00:42:08,213 --> 00:42:10,493
Speaker 2: you to the top where you finally become a partner. Yeah,

915
00:42:10,533 --> 00:42:12,453
Speaker 2: you know a lot of that grunt work that needs

916
00:42:12,493 --> 00:42:14,133
Speaker 2: to be done is it can be done by AI.

917
00:42:14,333 --> 00:42:17,172
Speaker 2: So you get your degree and you don't even get

918
00:42:17,333 --> 00:42:19,493
Speaker 2: into the law firm, potentially.

919
00:42:19,133 --> 00:42:21,533
Speaker 4: Harder to get foot on the door. And places speculating here.

920
00:42:21,573 --> 00:42:25,773
Speaker 2: Accountancy be another one, And what about degrees, medical degrees

921
00:42:25,973 --> 00:42:28,853
Speaker 2: all the way to becoming a surgeon. You know that's

922
00:42:28,853 --> 00:42:30,453
Speaker 2: going to take you a lot of years before you're

923
00:42:31,093 --> 00:42:33,893
Speaker 2: a surgeon. And by then are the robots just going

924
00:42:33,973 --> 00:42:37,933
Speaker 2: to be doing the surgery? Because we had to top

925
00:42:37,933 --> 00:42:40,613
Speaker 2: about this other day, and we say that some experts

926
00:42:40,613 --> 00:42:44,772
Speaker 2: are saying that full robotic surgeons will be better than

927
00:42:45,733 --> 00:42:49,413
Speaker 2: human controlled robotics surgery within ten years.

928
00:42:49,453 --> 00:42:49,853
Speaker 4: That's right.

929
00:42:49,853 --> 00:42:51,613
Speaker 3: There was a great shat and you're getting backed up

930
00:42:51,653 --> 00:42:55,373
Speaker 3: in your thoughts by Victoria and Auckland University Student Association

931
00:42:55,773 --> 00:42:59,053
Speaker 3: president lebarn Alli. So he said in this story, I quote,

932
00:42:59,453 --> 00:43:02,093
Speaker 3: in my opinion, there's a massive revolution coming in terms

933
00:43:02,133 --> 00:43:04,853
Speaker 3: of AI being able to do many things that human

934
00:43:04,853 --> 00:43:06,533
Speaker 3: beings can do, and a lot of those things will

935
00:43:06,573 --> 00:43:09,853
Speaker 3: be done better than AI. Aides aren't facing the same threat,

936
00:43:09,893 --> 00:43:13,053
Speaker 3: he added, with AI unable to do the work that

937
00:43:13,533 --> 00:43:15,493
Speaker 3: requires physical dexterity.

938
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Speaker 2: Yet and yet, but they are saying right now that

939
00:43:21,093 --> 00:43:26,053
Speaker 2: getting a degree over your work life is currently earning

940
00:43:26,053 --> 00:43:30,933
Speaker 2: you about one point three million dollars more than no qualification,

941
00:43:31,093 --> 00:43:33,493
Speaker 2: and a trade is earning you eight hundred thousand more

942
00:43:33,493 --> 00:43:34,573
Speaker 2: than no qualification.

943
00:43:35,053 --> 00:43:36,172
Speaker 4: Interesting calculations.

944
00:43:36,173 --> 00:43:37,813
Speaker 2: So is that coming together? I mean, of course, the

945
00:43:37,853 --> 00:43:40,373
Speaker 2: thing with the trades right is how long can you work?

946
00:43:40,813 --> 00:43:41,053
Speaker 1: Yeah?

947
00:43:41,373 --> 00:43:41,812
Speaker 4: Good point.

948
00:43:42,133 --> 00:43:45,693
Speaker 2: These intellectuals sitting around are not doing the same damage

949
00:43:45,693 --> 00:43:46,173
Speaker 2: to their body.

950
00:43:46,373 --> 00:43:48,933
Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

951
00:43:48,973 --> 00:43:51,053
Speaker 3: What's your thoughts? Is getting a degree still worth it?

952
00:43:51,173 --> 00:43:54,293
Speaker 3: Or is a trade the way to financial stability? Love

953
00:43:54,333 --> 00:43:56,093
Speaker 3: your thoughts? It is eleven past two.

954
00:43:56,373 --> 00:43:58,853
Speaker 2: I've got an anthropology and a philosophy degree and I

955
00:43:58,973 --> 00:44:01,213
Speaker 2: use it.

956
00:44:00,413 --> 00:44:06,973
Speaker 1: Never your home of afternoon talk, Matt Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons,

957
00:44:06,973 --> 00:44:10,013
Speaker 1: call eight hundred eighty news Talk said, be.

958
00:44:11,493 --> 00:44:13,493
Speaker 3: News Talks. Here'd be very good afternoon to you. It

959
00:44:13,613 --> 00:44:14,812
Speaker 3: is fourteen past two.

960
00:44:14,893 --> 00:44:17,493
Speaker 2: That's a pretty funny story about was to Peter's very funny.

961
00:44:17,493 --> 00:44:19,373
Speaker 3: I was just saying to Matt, just reading it an

962
00:44:19,453 --> 00:44:23,053
Speaker 3: article that Winston Peters was invited on the VIP trip

963
00:44:23,093 --> 00:44:25,413
Speaker 3: for the new CRL, but there was a bit of

964
00:44:25,413 --> 00:44:28,333
Speaker 3: a standoff with one of the bosses of CRL over

965
00:44:28,573 --> 00:44:29,453
Speaker 3: the high Ver's jacket.

966
00:44:29,493 --> 00:44:30,293
Speaker 4: He didn't want to put it on.

967
00:44:31,533 --> 00:44:33,933
Speaker 2: So the boss of the CRL god and no wonder

968
00:44:33,973 --> 00:44:36,933
Speaker 2: it's blown out to five point five billion if he's

969
00:44:36,973 --> 00:44:39,652
Speaker 2: making someone wear a high vers jacket to ride on

970
00:44:39,693 --> 00:44:40,093
Speaker 2: a train.

971
00:44:40,813 --> 00:44:43,493
Speaker 3: So the exchange was I quote from Peters and said,

972
00:44:43,533 --> 00:44:44,773
Speaker 3: what do I need to do that? This is not

973
00:44:44,813 --> 00:44:47,253
Speaker 3: a safety's own area. Peter's told him, well, it's just

974
00:44:47,253 --> 00:44:50,212
Speaker 3: for protection. Brockie, the CEO, replied, no, mate, I'm going

975
00:44:50,253 --> 00:44:52,253
Speaker 3: on a train, right, I'm not putting on stuff I

976
00:44:52,253 --> 00:44:55,133
Speaker 3: don't need. It's simply The retort was if we have

977
00:44:55,173 --> 00:44:58,853
Speaker 3: an incident in the tunnel or something like that, Minister no, No.

978
00:44:58,933 --> 00:45:00,493
Speaker 3: I used to be a ton of worker, so why

979
00:45:00,493 --> 00:45:03,652
Speaker 3: am I wearing it? He reluctantly ended up putting it on.

980
00:45:03,973 --> 00:45:06,773
Speaker 2: Well, Brocky, there you go. That's why it's five point

981
00:45:06,853 --> 00:45:11,652
Speaker 2: five billion. He's making people wear hivers vests as if

982
00:45:11,653 --> 00:45:13,573
Speaker 2: they're putting them on the train if there's any risk

983
00:45:13,573 --> 00:45:16,213
Speaker 2: at all. They're not going to take half the government

984
00:45:16,253 --> 00:45:17,533
Speaker 2: on the train if there's any risk.

985
00:45:17,773 --> 00:45:20,333
Speaker 4: How's they're going to preteach you from rockfall? It's a vest.

986
00:45:20,693 --> 00:45:23,173
Speaker 4: It's a little little cotton hiver's vest.

987
00:45:24,493 --> 00:45:26,133
Speaker 2: Ah. That is that is embarrassing.

988
00:45:26,453 --> 00:45:29,813
Speaker 3: That is embarrassing Health and Safety gold Man, but a

989
00:45:29,853 --> 00:45:31,293
Speaker 3: great story, right, we aren't you?

990
00:45:31,493 --> 00:45:33,853
Speaker 2: Winston sold out and did it would have been it'd

991
00:45:33,853 --> 00:45:36,333
Speaker 2: be more impressive. He said, right, just okay, I'm going on.

992
00:45:36,773 --> 00:45:38,133
Speaker 2: But then he would have been like, you know, because

993
00:45:38,133 --> 00:45:39,773
Speaker 2: he did he worked on the tunnels, didn't he?

994
00:45:39,773 --> 00:45:40,093
Speaker 4: He did?

995
00:45:40,813 --> 00:45:43,093
Speaker 2: You know they lost a man a mile who says.

996
00:45:42,973 --> 00:45:43,652
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right.

997
00:45:43,653 --> 00:45:44,893
Speaker 2: What tunnel did he work on? Someone?

998
00:45:44,933 --> 00:45:45,093
Speaker 18: Or no?

999
00:45:45,213 --> 00:45:46,493
Speaker 2: It was the Homer tunnel.

1000
00:45:46,253 --> 00:45:47,813
Speaker 4: Nine to nine two? Was that Home and tunnel?

1001
00:45:48,333 --> 00:45:50,853
Speaker 2: Yeah? But you to be more impressive, he said, Okay,

1002
00:45:50,933 --> 00:45:52,373
Speaker 2: I'm not going to ride on your silly train.

1003
00:45:52,853 --> 00:45:54,853
Speaker 4: Yeah, keep you a little train. I'll go back to

1004
00:45:54,853 --> 00:45:55,813
Speaker 4: my office. Thank you very much.

1005
00:45:55,853 --> 00:45:57,172
Speaker 2: How long is it before we all have to wear

1006
00:45:57,173 --> 00:45:59,733
Speaker 2: safety vests on all public transport? No matter what.

1007
00:46:02,653 --> 00:46:02,773
Speaker 7: Right?

1008
00:46:02,813 --> 00:46:06,413
Speaker 3: We are talking about degrees versus getting into the trade.

1009
00:46:06,413 --> 00:46:08,173
Speaker 4: What is the best way to financial stability?

1010
00:46:08,333 --> 00:46:10,172
Speaker 2: As Texas says, the trades are sexist. As a woman,

1011
00:46:10,213 --> 00:46:11,733
Speaker 2: I do not have the option to be a plumber

1012
00:46:11,813 --> 00:46:14,453
Speaker 2: or a builder. All very well for you men. Only

1013
00:46:14,453 --> 00:46:17,493
Speaker 2: trade for me would be a hairdresser, not great pay.

1014
00:46:17,493 --> 00:46:20,573
Speaker 4: He can be a yeah, and some lady plumbers out there.

1015
00:46:20,693 --> 00:46:25,653
Speaker 2: That's not true. There's lots of different trades. Brett, welcome

1016
00:46:25,693 --> 00:46:26,093
Speaker 2: to the show.

1017
00:46:27,093 --> 00:46:27,933
Speaker 19: I got here, are you going?

1018
00:46:28,013 --> 00:46:28,212
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1019
00:46:28,413 --> 00:46:30,172
Speaker 19: So I'm lucky enough to have done a trade at

1020
00:46:30,173 --> 00:46:34,813
Speaker 19: a plumber degree in a master's and looking back, I'm

1021
00:46:34,813 --> 00:46:35,453
Speaker 19: glad I've did.

1022
00:46:35,293 --> 00:46:35,732
Speaker 18: All of them.

1023
00:46:36,053 --> 00:46:38,093
Speaker 19: But I just to say when it comes to degrees,

1024
00:46:38,413 --> 00:46:41,213
Speaker 19: there's different types of good degrees. You've got professional degrees

1025
00:46:41,253 --> 00:46:43,653
Speaker 19: and just sort of general knowledge degrees like our previous

1026
00:46:43,653 --> 00:46:45,973
Speaker 19: Prime minister or a Bachelor of whatever it was communication,

1027
00:46:46,453 --> 00:46:50,172
Speaker 19: not really employable anywhere I supposing messian politics. But if

1028
00:46:50,173 --> 00:46:52,213
Speaker 19: you do a professional degree someone like you know, an architect,

1029
00:46:52,293 --> 00:46:57,053
Speaker 19: qs engineer, a doctor, you have a professional body belonged

1030
00:46:57,053 --> 00:46:59,293
Speaker 19: to and you've got some continual learning and you can

1031
00:46:59,893 --> 00:47:02,573
Speaker 19: and you have a vocation you can go to. Whereas

1032
00:47:02,773 --> 00:47:05,733
Speaker 19: a general degree such as a Bachelor of Communication, you know,

1033
00:47:05,773 --> 00:47:08,493
Speaker 19: you don't really have that many options, and maybe they're

1034
00:47:08,533 --> 00:47:10,013
Speaker 19: not worth it. Maybe you should look at that and

1035
00:47:10,173 --> 00:47:13,172
Speaker 19: think about being a plumber. A drain layer actually would

1036
00:47:13,213 --> 00:47:13,693
Speaker 19: be quite.

1037
00:47:13,533 --> 00:47:16,373
Speaker 2: Good, yes, isn't it, Because in this discussion we're just

1038
00:47:16,413 --> 00:47:19,413
Speaker 2: going like for like trades versus university. But there's a

1039
00:47:19,573 --> 00:47:22,813
Speaker 2: whole different, very different. I mean, my degree in philosophy

1040
00:47:23,413 --> 00:47:27,172
Speaker 2: didn't have a direct path into any kind of unemployment.

1041
00:47:28,493 --> 00:47:30,053
Speaker 19: And then and often you end up with a huge,

1042
00:47:30,453 --> 00:47:33,652
Speaker 19: huge student loan and then with an ovocation to go

1043
00:47:33,693 --> 00:47:35,533
Speaker 19: into a no career path. And that's that's probably a

1044
00:47:35,573 --> 00:47:37,613
Speaker 19: little bit silly really, Whereas you know, if you don't

1045
00:47:37,613 --> 00:47:39,493
Speaker 19: sound like a Bachelor of Aviation or something like that,

1046
00:47:39,573 --> 00:47:41,493
Speaker 19: at least you have a career path, a huge loan

1047
00:47:41,493 --> 00:47:43,213
Speaker 19: you come out the other end of it, but you

1048
00:47:43,213 --> 00:47:46,293
Speaker 19: will have an opportunity to actually find a job. We

1049
00:47:46,493 --> 00:47:49,333
Speaker 19: are actually employable, Whereas if you come out of at

1050
00:47:49,413 --> 00:47:52,133
Speaker 19: b COM maybe a BA or something like that, you

1051
00:47:52,213 --> 00:47:55,373
Speaker 19: don't really have a direction you can go to and

1052
00:47:55,373 --> 00:47:58,413
Speaker 19: actually actually be employable. You're going to be retrained by

1053
00:47:58,453 --> 00:48:01,413
Speaker 19: your employer to be usable.

1054
00:48:01,133 --> 00:48:01,732
Speaker 1: For it that way.

1055
00:48:02,053 --> 00:48:03,813
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. There's no clinic when I've been able

1056
00:48:03,853 --> 00:48:05,973
Speaker 2: to hang my degree on the wall and charge people

1057
00:48:06,053 --> 00:48:09,933
Speaker 2: to do anything. So you're heavily educated, Brett. So, so

1058
00:48:10,293 --> 00:48:12,733
Speaker 2: tell us about your your your trade and your degree

1059
00:48:12,973 --> 00:48:14,453
Speaker 2: in everything that you did.

1060
00:48:15,653 --> 00:48:19,253
Speaker 19: So I did a trade in horticulture, then when overseas

1061
00:48:19,253 --> 00:48:21,453
Speaker 19: many years, came back and did a diploma and landscape

1062
00:48:21,453 --> 00:48:24,693
Speaker 19: design their landscape architecture, and then in a postgrad in

1063
00:48:24,773 --> 00:48:28,253
Speaker 19: a master's and project management. So I was lucky to

1064
00:48:28,253 --> 00:48:31,413
Speaker 19: be able to very lucky to have that that that path.

1065
00:48:32,013 --> 00:48:34,453
Speaker 2: And whereabouts have you ended up working?

1066
00:48:35,333 --> 00:48:39,133
Speaker 19: I'm a consultant project manager now so do projects so so.

1067
00:48:39,133 --> 00:48:40,853
Speaker 2: You know, you know the whole thing from the bottom up.

1068
00:48:41,853 --> 00:48:42,013
Speaker 18: Yeah.

1069
00:48:42,133 --> 00:48:42,293
Speaker 20: Yeah.

1070
00:48:42,333 --> 00:48:44,613
Speaker 19: I was also involved in the student union movement many

1071
00:48:44,653 --> 00:48:46,813
Speaker 19: years ago, and I did always say to people, you know,

1072
00:48:46,973 --> 00:48:49,493
Speaker 19: choose choose a path that you actually has a has

1073
00:48:49,493 --> 00:48:50,413
Speaker 19: a vacation out of it.

1074
00:48:50,453 --> 00:48:52,533
Speaker 15: Don't and even you know it's.

1075
00:48:53,893 --> 00:48:54,613
Speaker 18: Whatever you do.

1076
00:48:54,733 --> 00:48:57,773
Speaker 19: Choose a path, that there is a path looking forward,

1077
00:48:57,813 --> 00:48:59,013
Speaker 19: that there is some sort of work.

1078
00:48:59,333 --> 00:49:01,853
Speaker 2: It's a really bit of professional It's really hard to

1079
00:49:01,853 --> 00:49:04,533
Speaker 2: tell kids that though, because they go to university and

1080
00:49:04,533 --> 00:49:06,613
Speaker 2: it's almost a stop gap. It's almost like a situation

1081
00:49:06,653 --> 00:49:09,053
Speaker 2: where they don't have to decide to join the real

1082
00:49:09,093 --> 00:49:12,813
Speaker 2: world yet, so they'll do I don't know, I'm just

1083
00:49:13,013 --> 00:49:18,413
Speaker 2: psychology or history or I don't know, me anthropology and philosophy,

1084
00:49:18,573 --> 00:49:23,853
Speaker 2: just to studies, just because you know, your brain isn't formed,

1085
00:49:24,093 --> 00:49:26,493
Speaker 2: functioning enough to actually think about the future. You think

1086
00:49:26,533 --> 00:49:28,133
Speaker 2: you're just going to be able to cruise for the

1087
00:49:28,173 --> 00:49:32,013
Speaker 2: rest of your life. So yeah, I mean it's hard

1088
00:49:32,053 --> 00:49:34,333
Speaker 2: to get into that mindset. Obviously you were able to

1089
00:49:34,373 --> 00:49:35,692
Speaker 2: do it, but for some it's hard to get into

1090
00:49:35,733 --> 00:49:38,653
Speaker 2: the mindset of doing something for your future when you're

1091
00:49:38,733 --> 00:49:39,533
Speaker 2: eighteen years old.

1092
00:49:41,053 --> 00:49:43,693
Speaker 19: I think a lot of kids don't actually get told that,

1093
00:49:44,213 --> 00:49:47,172
Speaker 19: and you don't have to, you know, say I'm going

1094
00:49:47,213 --> 00:49:48,373
Speaker 19: to be a doctor for the rest of my life

1095
00:49:48,493 --> 00:49:50,973
Speaker 19: or it's a bad example, but and a doctor, you know,

1096
00:49:51,013 --> 00:49:53,692
Speaker 19: a doctor, take a doctor. Where they start out where

1097
00:49:53,733 --> 00:49:56,893
Speaker 19: they finish is very different. And a lot of you know,

1098
00:49:56,973 --> 00:50:00,172
Speaker 19: a lot of study is that you start somewhere and

1099
00:50:00,173 --> 00:50:02,093
Speaker 19: you don't know where you're going to go with the future,

1100
00:50:02,093 --> 00:50:04,733
Speaker 19: but you're going to start something. At least have a

1101
00:50:04,773 --> 00:50:06,333
Speaker 19: goal at the end of it and say, well, look,

1102
00:50:06,333 --> 00:50:09,732
Speaker 19: I'm going to do, you know, a Bachelor of horticulture

1103
00:50:10,773 --> 00:50:13,333
Speaker 19: and I want to learn to do genetics on trees

1104
00:50:13,453 --> 00:50:15,533
Speaker 19: or something, you know, and have a goal where you

1105
00:50:15,573 --> 00:50:18,293
Speaker 19: want to go. That's that's probably and you're not going

1106
00:50:18,333 --> 00:50:20,133
Speaker 19: to you may not stay there for your whole career,

1107
00:50:20,213 --> 00:50:22,413
Speaker 19: but at least you've got some direction. But whereas if

1108
00:50:22,413 --> 00:50:24,533
Speaker 19: you go to union and you go a Bachelor of

1109
00:50:24,613 --> 00:50:27,173
Speaker 19: Comms or whatever, and then you're finish and go, oh,

1110
00:50:27,213 --> 00:50:28,213
Speaker 19: what am I going to do? I'm going to get

1111
00:50:28,213 --> 00:50:29,853
Speaker 19: a job, get a job and want a dress shop,

1112
00:50:29,933 --> 00:50:32,732
Speaker 19: or get a job and a plumbing merchant or what

1113
00:50:32,893 --> 00:50:36,533
Speaker 19: you know, just just I think I've always said, have

1114
00:50:36,253 --> 00:50:38,413
Speaker 19: a path in front of you, something you want to do.

1115
00:50:38,533 --> 00:50:41,013
Speaker 2: It was to record I think stratting to record stores

1116
00:50:41,013 --> 00:50:42,613
Speaker 2: for me after my anthropology degree.

1117
00:50:42,853 --> 00:50:43,493
Speaker 4: That sounds fun.

1118
00:50:43,573 --> 00:50:45,813
Speaker 19: It just sounds really really good.

1119
00:50:46,093 --> 00:50:50,293
Speaker 2: It sounds hey. So just just a question for you, Bretts.

1120
00:50:50,333 --> 00:50:52,853
Speaker 2: So because with your career path, obviously you're off the

1121
00:50:52,893 --> 00:50:55,133
Speaker 2: tools though, and one thing about the trades is if

1122
00:50:55,173 --> 00:50:56,893
Speaker 2: you stay on the tools, then it does terrible things

1123
00:50:56,933 --> 00:51:00,373
Speaker 2: to your body and you may struggle to keep working

1124
00:51:00,453 --> 00:51:04,533
Speaker 2: into your late fifties and sixties. So even if you're

1125
00:51:04,533 --> 00:51:06,613
Speaker 2: in a trade, would you suggest that you also have

1126
00:51:06,653 --> 00:51:09,013
Speaker 2: a path to move out the other end in end

1127
00:51:09,053 --> 00:51:10,413
Speaker 2: of the actual physical side of it.

1128
00:51:11,373 --> 00:51:15,373
Speaker 19: You raise a really good question, and there's not There

1129
00:51:15,453 --> 00:51:20,493
Speaker 19: is a few old builders around, but it really is hard.

1130
00:51:20,573 --> 00:51:22,933
Speaker 19: You know, if they're talking about raising the retirement age

1131
00:51:22,973 --> 00:51:26,453
Speaker 19: to say sixty seven, I wouldn't know many builders who

1132
00:51:26,653 --> 00:51:29,853
Speaker 19: can be sixty seven and working doing on the tools.

1133
00:51:29,853 --> 00:51:32,053
Speaker 19: But there is other jobs that they can do, but

1134
00:51:32,493 --> 00:51:35,652
Speaker 19: it's a it's really tough, you know, plumber, electrician, up

1135
00:51:35,693 --> 00:51:38,732
Speaker 19: and down ladders, climbing and roofs and stuff like that.

1136
00:51:38,853 --> 00:51:40,853
Speaker 19: It's not it's not a not a not an old

1137
00:51:40,853 --> 00:51:43,813
Speaker 19: person's job, so you know, that needs to be thought

1138
00:51:43,813 --> 00:51:47,133
Speaker 19: about as well. So on the trades, the good guys

1139
00:51:47,173 --> 00:51:49,693
Speaker 19: they set up their own businesses and you move into

1140
00:51:50,893 --> 00:51:53,213
Speaker 19: you know, having their own companies and having guys.

1141
00:51:53,013 --> 00:51:53,533
Speaker 18: Working for them.

1142
00:51:53,573 --> 00:51:56,213
Speaker 19: That's that's good, but it's still you know, if beyond

1143
00:51:56,213 --> 00:51:57,172
Speaker 19: the tools, it's pretty tough.

1144
00:51:57,333 --> 00:51:59,613
Speaker 3: Yeah, listening to both of you guys, just having a chat.

1145
00:51:59,733 --> 00:52:02,733
Speaker 3: The one of the benefits of going to university is

1146
00:52:02,773 --> 00:52:05,773
Speaker 3: not just the degree, is it. It's the networking that

1147
00:52:05,853 --> 00:52:09,133
Speaker 3: you can do or those relationships that you form and

1148
00:52:09,173 --> 00:52:10,652
Speaker 3: some of the lessons that you learn in the good

1149
00:52:10,653 --> 00:52:12,253
Speaker 3: times for the first couple of years. But there is

1150
00:52:12,293 --> 00:52:13,733
Speaker 3: a benefit to that. And I know a lot of

1151
00:52:13,733 --> 00:52:17,213
Speaker 3: people that went to university formed great relationships set up businesses.

1152
00:52:17,253 --> 00:52:18,652
Speaker 4: So there is that element as well.

1153
00:52:20,253 --> 00:52:22,813
Speaker 19: Absolutely, especially it's like a b comm or something like

1154
00:52:22,853 --> 00:52:26,333
Speaker 19: a bachelor business or that you have that path. You

1155
00:52:26,333 --> 00:52:29,453
Speaker 19: get that general business business knowledge and that's that's good.

1156
00:52:29,973 --> 00:52:33,813
Speaker 19: But yeah, yeah, I saw be If you're going to

1157
00:52:33,813 --> 00:52:35,893
Speaker 19: go and set up your own business, that's that's great.

1158
00:52:35,933 --> 00:52:38,333
Speaker 19: But how many people do b comms and bas and

1159
00:52:38,413 --> 00:52:41,893
Speaker 19: don't know what they're doing. They finish and don't do anything.

1160
00:52:42,053 --> 00:52:43,733
Speaker 19: There's probably a lot more of those than people go

1161
00:52:43,773 --> 00:52:46,493
Speaker 19: and set up businesses and run their own own stuff.

1162
00:52:46,613 --> 00:52:47,493
Speaker 4: Yeah, very true.

1163
00:52:47,733 --> 00:52:49,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks so much for your call.

1164
00:52:49,093 --> 00:52:51,773
Speaker 3: Brett Oh one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number

1165
00:52:51,773 --> 00:52:53,693
Speaker 3: to call. How do you feel about a degree versus

1166
00:52:53,693 --> 00:52:54,973
Speaker 3: getting straight into the trade?

1167
00:52:55,013 --> 00:52:58,172
Speaker 2: Love to hear your thoughts, Patty from the BCITO. This

1168
00:52:58,213 --> 00:52:59,493
Speaker 2: is what he said on that. If you look around

1169
00:52:59,533 --> 00:53:02,133
Speaker 2: the country, how many Sparky's builders and plumbers own their

1170
00:53:02,173 --> 00:53:02,973
Speaker 2: own businesses.

1171
00:53:03,333 --> 00:53:05,212
Speaker 3: That is a very good point, a lot of them.

1172
00:53:05,453 --> 00:53:07,573
Speaker 3: It is twenty three past two back in the moth.

1173
00:53:11,373 --> 00:53:15,093
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call Oh eight hundred eighty

1174
00:53:15,133 --> 00:53:16,493
Speaker 1: ten eighty on news Talks.

1175
00:53:16,493 --> 00:53:19,693
Speaker 3: I'd be afternoon twenty five past two, and we have

1176
00:53:19,853 --> 00:53:23,613
Speaker 3: been discussing degrees versus getting straight into the trade, which

1177
00:53:23,773 --> 00:53:28,173
Speaker 3: is the pathway to provide better financial stability This dances.

1178
00:53:28,173 --> 00:53:30,373
Speaker 2: Guys only do a degree if it's required by the

1179
00:53:30,453 --> 00:53:33,053
Speaker 2: job eg. Medicine, engineering or law. Anything else is a

1180
00:53:33,093 --> 00:53:38,093
Speaker 2: waste of time to bubba uh with ai is going

1181
00:53:38,133 --> 00:53:38,773
Speaker 2: to make you redundant.

1182
00:53:38,813 --> 00:53:41,733
Speaker 3: There, thank you very much for the head text that

1183
00:53:41,853 --> 00:53:43,652
Speaker 3: kind of Yeah, Dan lost his way in the inn.

1184
00:53:43,653 --> 00:53:45,252
Speaker 4: Maybe that was written by Ai.

1185
00:53:46,693 --> 00:53:46,933
Speaker 1: Rob.

1186
00:53:46,973 --> 00:53:50,573
Speaker 3: How are you matey today? How you doing very good?

1187
00:53:50,613 --> 00:53:51,293
Speaker 3: And what's your take?

1188
00:53:53,853 --> 00:53:56,173
Speaker 21: I think in the short term. Look, so just putting

1189
00:53:56,173 --> 00:54:00,053
Speaker 21: it out there. Not everyone has the academics to be

1190
00:54:00,093 --> 00:54:02,493
Speaker 21: able to go out and study and do all the

1191
00:54:02,613 --> 00:54:06,973
Speaker 21: paperwork involved in getting a degree. I certainly wasn't one

1192
00:54:06,973 --> 00:54:09,813
Speaker 21: of them. Bit of a class clown on but excellent

1193
00:54:09,893 --> 00:54:13,333
Speaker 21: on tools. So you kind of have to find your

1194
00:54:13,333 --> 00:54:17,853
Speaker 21: way in that sense. Not every diploma holder can hang

1195
00:54:17,933 --> 00:54:19,893
Speaker 21: doors in a house or put a roof on or

1196
00:54:20,093 --> 00:54:24,133
Speaker 21: connect plumbing, so we all have a natural ability in

1197
00:54:24,973 --> 00:54:28,812
Speaker 21: an area, so you kind of have to find that way.

1198
00:54:28,893 --> 00:54:31,573
Speaker 21: So telling people that know, like, oh, there's a trade

1199
00:54:31,573 --> 00:54:34,053
Speaker 21: better than a diploma, Well, it depends on your actual

1200
00:54:34,333 --> 00:54:35,453
Speaker 21: personal skill set.

1201
00:54:36,013 --> 00:54:37,413
Speaker 2: Do you think that? Do you think New Zealand as

1202
00:54:37,453 --> 00:54:39,613
Speaker 2: a whole, Rob, do you think New Zealand as a

1203
00:54:39,613 --> 00:54:42,333
Speaker 2: whole Over the last let's say twenty thirty years, has

1204
00:54:42,893 --> 00:54:45,933
Speaker 2: had this massive push that university is the way people

1205
00:54:46,293 --> 00:54:49,333
Speaker 2: should go and that's the optimum path if you can

1206
00:54:49,333 --> 00:54:49,652
Speaker 2: get there.

1207
00:54:52,413 --> 00:54:55,013
Speaker 21: Oh, I've been since I left school, you know, I've

1208
00:54:55,053 --> 00:54:58,733
Speaker 21: just been in the trades. And I'll tell you what,

1209
00:54:59,213 --> 00:55:03,413
Speaker 21: I've never worked for another trade. Only diploma holders seem

1210
00:55:03,493 --> 00:55:07,172
Speaker 21: to employ trades. So I would always say that the

1211
00:55:07,653 --> 00:55:13,293
Speaker 21: short term financial burden of a diploma probably is in

1212
00:55:13,333 --> 00:55:16,413
Speaker 21: the in the small market, in the small time span.

1213
00:55:17,133 --> 00:55:20,013
Speaker 21: Is it just a small price to pay for the

1214
00:55:20,013 --> 00:55:22,693
Speaker 21: more financial gain you're going to get in the future,

1215
00:55:22,773 --> 00:55:22,973
Speaker 21: you know?

1216
00:55:24,293 --> 00:55:24,693
Speaker 17: So do you?

1217
00:55:24,973 --> 00:55:28,373
Speaker 2: So you know you and you're an employee of your

1218
00:55:28,413 --> 00:55:29,933
Speaker 2: employer of other people.

1219
00:55:30,933 --> 00:55:34,013
Speaker 21: I am an employee. Yeah, so unless so, there's a

1220
00:55:34,053 --> 00:55:38,333
Speaker 21: couple of things, you know, like if you've got the

1221
00:55:38,373 --> 00:55:41,172
Speaker 21: ability and the drive to be like, right, I'm going

1222
00:55:41,253 --> 00:55:43,573
Speaker 21: to do this trade, I'm going to start my own business,

1223
00:55:43,653 --> 00:55:48,053
Speaker 21: which I started contracting myself as a carpenter. But it's

1224
00:55:48,093 --> 00:55:51,613
Speaker 21: hard going, man, Like there's a lot of risk involved

1225
00:55:52,053 --> 00:55:56,053
Speaker 21: in undertaking your own business or the liability, finding staff,

1226
00:55:56,053 --> 00:55:57,853
Speaker 21: finding jobs, securing jobs.

1227
00:55:58,213 --> 00:55:58,413
Speaker 11: You know.

1228
00:55:58,573 --> 00:56:01,692
Speaker 21: The people don't do renovations when there's a financial bit

1229
00:56:01,733 --> 00:56:04,172
Speaker 21: of like it, well, maybe we won't spend five hundred

1230
00:56:04,213 --> 00:56:05,733
Speaker 21: thousand dollars in a renno this year.

1231
00:56:05,813 --> 00:56:06,453
Speaker 13: Do you know what I mean?

1232
00:56:06,533 --> 00:56:11,413
Speaker 21: So, yeah, it there's that in itself. But I just

1233
00:56:11,493 --> 00:56:14,652
Speaker 21: kind of feel that long like, in the long run,

1234
00:56:15,133 --> 00:56:17,053
Speaker 21: like I'm going to be on the tools. Man, I've

1235
00:56:17,053 --> 00:56:19,133
Speaker 21: got another twenty five years of on the tools to go,

1236
00:56:19,333 --> 00:56:21,013
Speaker 21: and my body's already saw you know.

1237
00:56:21,253 --> 00:56:23,573
Speaker 22: Yeah, so that's got a long way to go.

1238
00:56:25,013 --> 00:56:26,453
Speaker 4: And what do you do at that point?

1239
00:56:26,693 --> 00:56:28,613
Speaker 3: You know, when if the body breaks down too much

1240
00:56:28,653 --> 00:56:31,373
Speaker 3: and you just can't do the physical work anymore, rob

1241
00:56:31,413 --> 00:56:33,453
Speaker 3: do you worry about where you go from there?

1242
00:56:33,453 --> 00:56:33,533
Speaker 2: That?

1243
00:56:33,733 --> 00:56:36,733
Speaker 3: Do you start looking at at building that skill set

1244
00:56:37,173 --> 00:56:39,893
Speaker 3: now or or do you wait until your body breaks down?

1245
00:56:41,133 --> 00:56:41,293
Speaker 1: Oh?

1246
00:56:41,413 --> 00:56:43,773
Speaker 21: No, one hundred percent. As I said, like, I've already

1247
00:56:43,933 --> 00:56:46,693
Speaker 21: I've already tried to start getting out and starting my

1248
00:56:46,733 --> 00:56:49,373
Speaker 21: own businesses and stuff like that. But it's actually really

1249
00:56:49,373 --> 00:56:52,613
Speaker 21: hard to like to get traction and stuff. And obviously

1250
00:56:52,613 --> 00:56:54,413
Speaker 21: I've got a mortgage and I've got a family and

1251
00:56:54,453 --> 00:56:57,613
Speaker 21: all that sort of stuff. So it's this financial like

1252
00:56:58,213 --> 00:57:01,053
Speaker 21: line that you have to you know, like, man, you know,

1253
00:57:01,093 --> 00:57:02,973
Speaker 21: how much do I want to put myself in debt

1254
00:57:03,013 --> 00:57:04,973
Speaker 21: to hopefully get the business running?

1255
00:57:07,093 --> 00:57:11,573
Speaker 13: You know, so you've.

1256
00:57:10,813 --> 00:57:12,213
Speaker 21: Got if you can do it in the short term,

1257
00:57:12,253 --> 00:57:14,093
Speaker 21: like if you go out straight out from school you

1258
00:57:14,173 --> 00:57:15,893
Speaker 21: get a diploma and all that sort of stuff. Yes,

1259
00:57:16,013 --> 00:57:18,573
Speaker 21: you have the rest and all that sort of stuff

1260
00:57:18,613 --> 00:57:21,493
Speaker 21: of carrying your student loan, but it's a student loan

1261
00:57:21,533 --> 00:57:23,133
Speaker 21: and you can pay it off nice and slowly and

1262
00:57:23,173 --> 00:57:24,933
Speaker 21: all that sort of stuff where you can find work

1263
00:57:24,973 --> 00:57:28,613
Speaker 21: in your jobs. And if you are a talented diplomber holder,

1264
00:57:28,733 --> 00:57:30,813
Speaker 21: you might start your own firm, or you might segue

1265
00:57:30,973 --> 00:57:33,053
Speaker 21: up and keep going and going in that sort of thing,

1266
00:57:33,133 --> 00:57:35,333
Speaker 21: or managing other branch or something, do you know what

1267
00:57:35,373 --> 00:57:38,733
Speaker 21: I mean? So it all depends on the person whether

1268
00:57:38,773 --> 00:57:40,453
Speaker 21: you've got the drive to make it more than what

1269
00:57:40,573 --> 00:57:41,933
Speaker 21: you start as.

1270
00:57:42,533 --> 00:57:46,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much, Rob. Absolutely this Texas is

1271
00:57:46,253 --> 00:57:49,173
Speaker 2: go to any boat ramp in Auckland on the weekend.

1272
00:57:49,293 --> 00:57:52,213
Speaker 2: There are tradees enjoying a good work life balance, whilst

1273
00:57:52,213 --> 00:57:57,253
Speaker 2: the university equals are paying off years of debt. As

1274
00:57:57,253 --> 00:58:00,493
Speaker 2: an intern earn as you learn as a trade no debt.

1275
00:58:00,573 --> 00:58:02,133
Speaker 2: Cheers Andy training too.

1276
00:58:02,173 --> 00:58:02,973
Speaker 4: Have some nice boats.

1277
00:58:03,093 --> 00:58:04,613
Speaker 2: You do see a lot of trades out on the water.

1278
00:58:04,773 --> 00:58:05,453
Speaker 4: Nice UITs too.

1279
00:58:05,893 --> 00:58:06,933
Speaker 2: Four o'clock on a Friday.

1280
00:58:07,253 --> 00:58:10,293
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's good life. Yeah. Oh eight hundred and eighty

1281
00:58:10,293 --> 00:58:13,173
Speaker 4: ten eighty is another to go. Headlines with Wendy coming.

1282
00:58:13,013 --> 00:58:20,933
Speaker 14: Up youth Talk said the headlines with blue Bubble taxis

1283
00:58:20,933 --> 00:58:24,693
Speaker 14: it's no trouble with a blue bubble and investigations underway

1284
00:58:24,733 --> 00:58:28,053
Speaker 14: after human remains were discovered on a beach in Waho Bay,

1285
00:58:28,253 --> 00:58:31,013
Speaker 14: near the tip of the East Cape, but just before midday.

1286
00:58:31,413 --> 00:58:34,933
Speaker 14: Police say the identification process may take some time as

1287
00:58:34,933 --> 00:58:38,093
Speaker 14: they try to determine the age of the remains. The

1288
00:58:38,133 --> 00:58:42,013
Speaker 14: government's military style academy pilot has concluded after its first

1289
00:58:42,093 --> 00:58:45,533
Speaker 14: twelvemonth trial. Autoing A Tamariki says seven out of the

1290
00:58:45,613 --> 00:58:48,853
Speaker 14: ten boys in the program have gone on to re offend,

1291
00:58:49,093 --> 00:58:52,813
Speaker 14: but there are still early signs of success. A Colonial

1292
00:58:52,853 --> 00:58:56,613
Speaker 14: Coronial inquest into the fatal shooting of Shargin Stevens is

1293
00:58:56,653 --> 00:59:01,253
Speaker 14: being described as shambolic. Police Association president Chris Carhold disagrees

1294
00:59:01,293 --> 00:59:04,813
Speaker 14: with the coroner that his death was preventable, saying action

1295
00:59:05,133 --> 00:59:08,093
Speaker 14: was needed. A christ Church man has been jailed for

1296
00:59:08,133 --> 00:59:11,333
Speaker 14: a eighteen months and banned from fishing for three years

1297
00:59:11,693 --> 00:59:15,653
Speaker 14: for poaching more than fourteen hundred c cucumbers. Jason Murray

1298
00:59:15,693 --> 00:59:18,173
Speaker 14: next was charged after police found more than one thousand

1299
00:59:18,253 --> 00:59:21,173
Speaker 14: cqucumbers in his car while impounding it.

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Speaker 2: In twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 14: Ac of Mediocrity YNCA is broken and needed to be scrapped.

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Speaker 14: Read the full column at ends at Herald Premium. Now

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00:59:30,893 --> 00:59:31,933
Speaker 14: back to Matton Tyler.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Wendy, and we are talking about

1305
00:59:34,413 --> 00:59:38,253
Speaker 3: getting a degree versus going straight into the trade. A

1306
00:59:38,293 --> 00:59:40,733
Speaker 3: lot of experts are saying the calculations are starting to

1307
00:59:40,813 --> 00:59:44,053
Speaker 3: change lean more towards trade in terms of financial strategy.

1308
00:59:44,133 --> 00:59:45,853
Speaker 2: Speaking of experts as a person that's tested through that

1309
00:59:45,893 --> 00:59:48,893
Speaker 2: thinks they're an expert, I'm going to nineteen Yeah, good one. Guys,

1310
00:59:49,053 --> 00:59:51,773
Speaker 2: push for the dumbing down of the country, more right

1311
00:59:51,813 --> 00:59:54,533
Speaker 2: wing tradees listening to Joe Rogan all day. We would

1312
00:59:54,613 --> 00:59:57,173
Speaker 2: hate to have smart people learning things, wouldn't we so

1313
00:59:57,213 --> 01:00:00,013
Speaker 2: they can lead us in sensible directions. Hand the world

1314
01:00:00,093 --> 01:00:02,653
Speaker 2: over to the meat heads. Smart plan guys. It's the

1315
01:00:02,693 --> 01:00:04,493
Speaker 2: idiocracy that you keep talking about.

1316
01:00:06,173 --> 01:00:08,973
Speaker 4: Wow, what atext? I mean trade? How do you feel

1317
01:00:08,973 --> 01:00:12,493
Speaker 4: about that? You're a meat head? Apparently? What's wrong with

1318
01:00:12,533 --> 01:00:14,653
Speaker 4: Joe Rogan? He's all right sometimes trade.

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01:00:14,653 --> 01:00:17,213
Speaker 2: He's all a bunch of right wing people running around

1320
01:00:17,213 --> 01:00:19,613
Speaker 2: listening to Joe Roagan. I think, I don't know Reagan.

1321
01:00:19,773 --> 01:00:21,573
Speaker 2: Joe Rogan's pretty right wing. I think if you think

1322
01:00:21,613 --> 01:00:23,653
Speaker 2: Joe Rogan's right, when you might have been just listening

1323
01:00:23,693 --> 01:00:27,693
Speaker 2: to the press rather than listening to Joe Rogan exactly

1324
01:00:28,733 --> 01:00:31,413
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighties a number to call, Hey, Simon, your

1325
01:00:31,453 --> 01:00:33,853
Speaker 2: thoughts did well?

1326
01:00:33,893 --> 01:00:38,573
Speaker 22: Ratheris their last sex. It's an interesting to bake that one.

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01:00:39,253 --> 01:00:39,453
Speaker 11: You know.

1328
01:00:39,493 --> 01:00:43,013
Speaker 22: I left school just before I turned eighteen and went

1329
01:00:43,053 --> 01:00:46,693
Speaker 22: into the trade and automotive and that got my qualification.

1330
01:00:46,853 --> 01:00:48,973
Speaker 22: I was always didn't I was like any most other

1331
01:00:49,133 --> 01:00:51,533
Speaker 22: sort of eighteen year olds at that time and didn't

1332
01:00:51,533 --> 01:00:53,293
Speaker 22: really have one hundred percent idea what I wanted to

1333
01:00:53,333 --> 01:00:54,973
Speaker 22: do with my life. But I was always told that

1334
01:00:55,013 --> 01:00:57,333
Speaker 22: the trade was was a good start and a good

1335
01:00:57,373 --> 01:01:00,053
Speaker 22: thing that you could fall back on should things like

1336
01:01:00,453 --> 01:01:02,133
Speaker 22: what's going on at the moment. It was tossy for

1337
01:01:02,213 --> 01:01:05,693
Speaker 22: economic times and you know, and point him unemployment being

1338
01:01:05,693 --> 01:01:08,133
Speaker 22: where it is. It's always it's good to have something

1339
01:01:08,173 --> 01:01:12,853
Speaker 22: to all back on should should employment opportunities not come

1340
01:01:12,933 --> 01:01:15,133
Speaker 22: your way. But I've could of did that for a

1341
01:01:15,133 --> 01:01:17,133
Speaker 22: little while and then and then went on and now

1342
01:01:17,173 --> 01:01:21,173
Speaker 22: I'm studying part time doing my bachelor's business to to

1343
01:01:21,213 --> 01:01:23,453
Speaker 22: sort of I guess upskill and sort of move into

1344
01:01:23,573 --> 01:01:25,573
Speaker 22: into different areas and that's the kind of stuff, and

1345
01:01:26,133 --> 01:01:28,733
Speaker 22: now working as just as a people manager. But it's

1346
01:01:28,733 --> 01:01:32,053
Speaker 22: interesting sort of that first caller was talking around, I

1347
01:01:32,053 --> 01:01:34,733
Speaker 22: guess two sort of strains of study. I mean, I've

1348
01:01:34,733 --> 01:01:37,573
Speaker 22: got a couple of friends that did the university degrees.

1349
01:01:37,693 --> 01:01:41,493
Speaker 22: One's done a geo technical degree and the other's done

1350
01:01:42,293 --> 01:01:46,093
Speaker 22: something to do with microbiology, and one of them is

1351
01:01:46,133 --> 01:01:48,013
Speaker 22: working as a barrista and the other one can't get

1352
01:01:48,013 --> 01:01:51,333
Speaker 22: a job. So I mean, it's sort of it's certainly

1353
01:01:51,373 --> 01:01:53,613
Speaker 22: not not you know, one or the other is certainly

1354
01:01:54,133 --> 01:01:56,453
Speaker 22: as a last fall of it. Certainly depends on what

1355
01:01:56,533 --> 01:01:58,613
Speaker 22: kind of person you are and what you look for.

1356
01:01:58,693 --> 01:02:01,613
Speaker 22: But yeah, I don't know about that last week. Certainly

1357
01:02:02,093 --> 01:02:04,533
Speaker 22: doesn't really know what's going on in the world.

1358
01:02:04,573 --> 01:02:11,093
Speaker 2: I don't think sounds a pretty sneaky person. Yeah, sometimes

1359
01:02:11,093 --> 01:02:15,613
Speaker 2: I'd like to see what these people look like because

1360
01:02:15,613 --> 01:02:17,093
Speaker 2: the person wearing a bow tie.

1361
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Speaker 22: I don't really see a lot of society or benefit

1362
01:02:22,853 --> 01:02:25,173
Speaker 22: coming out of people who go and do the good

1363
01:02:25,573 --> 01:02:28,213
Speaker 22: sort of really smart degrees and that kind of thing,

1364
01:02:28,253 --> 01:02:30,013
Speaker 22: but then can't get a job and can't actual the

1365
01:02:30,053 --> 01:02:32,093
Speaker 22: action of the knowledge of learns at university.

1366
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Speaker 2: Do you think, though, with university or the trades, a

1367
01:02:36,293 --> 01:02:37,973
Speaker 2: lot of it does come down to the person. So

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01:02:38,053 --> 01:02:39,413
Speaker 2: you say you do your trades and then you do

1369
01:02:39,493 --> 01:02:42,813
Speaker 2: Bachelor of Business. So you're always looking for a way

1370
01:02:42,893 --> 01:02:47,293
Speaker 2: to maximise, right, So you know, you could start off

1371
01:02:47,333 --> 01:02:49,813
Speaker 2: and maybe you've done a I don't know what's someone

1372
01:02:49,853 --> 01:02:52,053
Speaker 2: that's coming to theater studies degree, but then you're the

1373
01:02:52,133 --> 01:02:55,013
Speaker 2: kind of person that then starts a theater and starts

1374
01:02:55,013 --> 01:02:58,693
Speaker 2: a business. You know what I mean? That certain people

1375
01:02:58,693 --> 01:03:00,773
Speaker 2: can find a pass no matter where they start.

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01:03:02,333 --> 01:03:04,093
Speaker 22: Yeah, well, I guess it just comes down to direction

1377
01:03:04,213 --> 01:03:05,493
Speaker 22: at the end of the day. I mean it's sort

1378
01:03:05,533 --> 01:03:09,093
Speaker 22: of I certainly struggle on a personal level. It's, you know,

1379
01:03:09,333 --> 01:03:11,613
Speaker 22: eighteen and coming to the India schooling life and you've

1380
01:03:11,613 --> 01:03:13,813
Speaker 22: got to make this big decision about what you want

1381
01:03:13,813 --> 01:03:15,253
Speaker 22: to do with the rest of your life. And it's

1382
01:03:15,253 --> 01:03:17,693
Speaker 22: a pretty big decision to go and drop one hundred

1383
01:03:17,733 --> 01:03:19,613
Speaker 22: thousand dollars on a degree on when you're not one

1384
01:03:19,693 --> 01:03:21,573
Speaker 22: hundred percent sure that's what you want to do. So

1385
01:03:21,973 --> 01:03:24,053
Speaker 22: why not go into a trade? You know, it's one

1386
01:03:24,053 --> 01:03:26,733
Speaker 22: of those situations, but it's a skill that you'll have

1387
01:03:26,853 --> 01:03:29,173
Speaker 22: and you know, being a homeowner and that now myself,

1388
01:03:29,173 --> 01:03:31,693
Speaker 22: it's one of those situations where well, now I've got

1389
01:03:31,693 --> 01:03:34,293
Speaker 22: this trade and not necessarily that automotive degree is going

1390
01:03:34,333 --> 01:03:36,693
Speaker 22: to help much and fixing my house, but it's certainly

1391
01:03:36,693 --> 01:03:38,933
Speaker 22: maintaining my cars a lot cheaper. And it's one of

1392
01:03:38,973 --> 01:03:42,933
Speaker 22: those situations that you know, these skills, they don't just

1393
01:03:42,973 --> 01:03:46,373
Speaker 22: develop that particular skill, but they're working them as industries.

1394
01:03:46,373 --> 01:03:48,373
Speaker 22: They develop you as a person in your sort of

1395
01:03:48,773 --> 01:03:51,373
Speaker 22: your own sort of I guess life skills as well.

1396
01:03:51,413 --> 01:03:54,253
Speaker 22: You know that going to university. I'm sure never been

1397
01:03:54,293 --> 01:03:57,013
Speaker 22: the university myself, so I can't comment on what sort

1398
01:03:57,013 --> 01:03:59,333
Speaker 22: of life skills that develops other than a heavy drip

1399
01:03:59,373 --> 01:04:02,453
Speaker 22: bus drinking culture. But it's one of those situations where

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01:04:02,453 --> 01:04:04,413
Speaker 22: going and working in a trade. Look, you've got to

1401
01:04:04,453 --> 01:04:06,493
Speaker 22: budget from eighteen, you've got a full time wage, you've

1402
01:04:06,493 --> 01:04:09,293
Speaker 22: got to deal with and have the sort of responsibilities.

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01:04:09,333 --> 01:04:11,013
Speaker 22: That's a good teaching opportunity.

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01:04:11,573 --> 01:04:14,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, Simon. Well, to be honest, I did

1405
01:04:14,293 --> 01:04:17,653
Speaker 2: enjoy the heavy bunch drinking culture when I was at university.

1406
01:04:18,613 --> 01:04:23,373
Speaker 2: That was the primary focus, to be honest. Yeah, so

1407
01:04:23,413 --> 01:04:25,693
Speaker 2: I'll be interested actually because a bunch of people are

1408
01:04:25,693 --> 01:04:29,293
Speaker 2: texting through and saying that it's sexist because women don't

1409
01:04:29,333 --> 01:04:31,453
Speaker 2: have the opportunity to go into the trades. So I'd

1410
01:04:31,453 --> 01:04:34,373
Speaker 2: like to hear if you're if you're female, you've been

1411
01:04:34,413 --> 01:04:36,373
Speaker 2: in the trades one hundred eighty ten eighty nine two

1412
01:04:37,093 --> 01:04:39,733
Speaker 2: nine two. I mean there's all kinds of trades. I

1413
01:04:39,893 --> 01:04:44,613
Speaker 2: mean people just talk about trades and they go, you know, electrical, building, plumbing,

1414
01:04:44,973 --> 01:04:47,773
Speaker 2: et cetera. But there's lots of different trades out there.

1415
01:04:47,893 --> 01:04:48,133
Speaker 11: Yeah.

1416
01:04:48,173 --> 01:04:50,053
Speaker 3: Absolutely, If that's you, love to hear from you. Oh,

1417
01:04:50,093 --> 01:04:51,853
Speaker 3: eight hundred eighty ten eighty is a number to call

1418
01:04:52,373 --> 01:04:55,213
Speaker 3: back very shortly. It is twenty one to three.

1419
01:04:56,333 --> 01:04:59,053
Speaker 1: A fresh take on talk back. It's Matt Heath and

1420
01:04:59,093 --> 01:05:02,893
Speaker 1: Taylor Adams afternoons. Have your say on eight hundred eighty

1421
01:05:02,973 --> 01:05:04,453
Speaker 1: ten eighty us talk there'd.

1422
01:05:04,293 --> 01:05:05,933
Speaker 4: Be eighteen to three.

1423
01:05:06,013 --> 01:05:08,333
Speaker 3: So there's been a lot of pushback on a particular

1424
01:05:08,413 --> 01:05:09,933
Speaker 3: TIGS that was read out by you man.

1425
01:05:10,373 --> 01:05:13,893
Speaker 2: Yeah that's right, are you? Yeah? Good one. Guys push

1426
01:05:13,973 --> 01:05:17,253
Speaker 2: for the dumbing down of the country more right wing trades,

1427
01:05:17,333 --> 01:05:20,493
Speaker 2: listened to Joe Rogan. We would hate to have smart

1428
01:05:20,533 --> 01:05:23,813
Speaker 2: people learning things so they can lead us in sensible directions,

1429
01:05:23,973 --> 01:05:27,773
Speaker 2: hand the world over to the meat Head's good plan idiocracy.

1430
01:05:27,893 --> 01:05:30,093
Speaker 2: As you keep saying I do. But when I say, actually,

1431
01:05:30,133 --> 01:05:34,173
Speaker 2: I'm talking about the Might Judge movie. Yeah, starring Terry Crews.

1432
01:05:35,133 --> 01:05:38,293
Speaker 2: Trades are the new professionals. Plenty make awesome careers of

1433
01:05:38,333 --> 01:05:40,413
Speaker 2: being a trade Plus, a good trading is just as

1434
01:05:40,493 --> 01:05:44,173
Speaker 2: useful as a good doctor. You go, Yeah, boys coming through.

1435
01:05:44,613 --> 01:05:48,093
Speaker 2: What a load of utter rubbish that ladies can't be tradees.

1436
01:05:48,133 --> 01:05:50,293
Speaker 2: I've worked in engineering for the last twenty years and

1437
01:05:50,333 --> 01:05:53,133
Speaker 2: the woman I've worked with across the trades are brilliant.

1438
01:05:53,133 --> 01:05:54,693
Speaker 2: It's not the bloody nineteen.

1439
01:05:54,453 --> 01:05:57,893
Speaker 4: Fifty nicely said Jennifer, What a load.

1440
01:05:57,733 --> 01:06:00,653
Speaker 2: Of There goes the same thing, what a load of bs.

1441
01:06:00,733 --> 01:06:03,613
Speaker 2: Women have just as much opportunity as guys to get trades.

1442
01:06:03,693 --> 01:06:06,773
Speaker 2: Open your eyes and go and do some research. My

1443
01:06:06,893 --> 01:06:09,373
Speaker 2: son's school had a career and from what I saw,

1444
01:06:09,453 --> 01:06:12,773
Speaker 2: girls have equal opportunity where trades are concerned. Yeah, Greg,

1445
01:06:12,933 --> 01:06:17,413
Speaker 2: wasn't us that's opened eyes. I was reading a text out, Greg,

1446
01:06:17,653 --> 01:06:17,893
Speaker 2: you have.

1447
01:06:17,933 --> 01:06:20,013
Speaker 4: It to the text. Yeah, we're just reading out the

1448
01:06:20,013 --> 01:06:21,413
Speaker 4: opinion of one person.

1449
01:06:21,173 --> 01:06:23,853
Speaker 2: That I was in a number of other textas saying

1450
01:06:23,853 --> 01:06:25,813
Speaker 2: that that sexist for us to be talking about the

1451
01:06:25,813 --> 01:06:27,813
Speaker 2: trades when when women can't get into the trades, it

1452
01:06:27,813 --> 01:06:30,693
Speaker 2: doesn't seem doesn't seem the case, Lisa, Welcome to the show.

1453
01:06:31,613 --> 01:06:35,933
Speaker 20: Hello, Hi, I really like your show. I keep ringing in.

1454
01:06:35,853 --> 01:06:36,413
Speaker 23: All the time.

1455
01:06:37,453 --> 01:06:38,053
Speaker 4: That's what we like.

1456
01:06:39,253 --> 01:06:39,653
Speaker 14: Vell.

1457
01:06:40,813 --> 01:06:42,413
Speaker 4: That's okay, Well, we always loved it.

1458
01:06:42,413 --> 01:06:43,813
Speaker 2: We always love to hear from you, Lisa.

1459
01:06:45,253 --> 01:06:48,973
Speaker 20: I really liked your comment about you know, doing philosophy

1460
01:06:48,973 --> 01:06:51,733
Speaker 20: because I did a philosophy degree. Well, I kind of

1461
01:06:51,773 --> 01:06:55,693
Speaker 20: did two papers, and I got pissed. I was so young.

1462
01:06:55,733 --> 01:06:57,853
Speaker 20: I went to strict girl still and I went to

1463
01:06:57,973 --> 01:07:01,293
Speaker 20: UNI and did lots of good sun stuff, and I

1464
01:07:01,333 --> 01:07:04,773
Speaker 20: went to one lecture, got absolutely passed three lecture and

1465
01:07:05,173 --> 01:07:09,853
Speaker 20: we have a season. My student phones and came back

1466
01:07:10,013 --> 01:07:16,813
Speaker 20: five years at more mature. Now I've got three degrees.

1467
01:07:17,693 --> 01:07:20,413
Speaker 20: So what I want to say is that I really

1468
01:07:20,613 --> 01:07:25,253
Speaker 20: think you're right around maturity. It boils down to your

1469
01:07:25,333 --> 01:07:29,733
Speaker 20: maturity level, what you're ready to study, you know, having

1470
01:07:29,733 --> 01:07:32,493
Speaker 20: a bit of life experience. And I think these kids

1471
01:07:32,533 --> 01:07:34,093
Speaker 20: are going to union, they don't really know what they

1472
01:07:34,133 --> 01:07:37,573
Speaker 20: want to do for them do what some doing something.

1473
01:07:37,853 --> 01:07:40,533
Speaker 20: My son's doing architecture. He always knew it was going

1474
01:07:40,613 --> 01:07:43,733
Speaker 20: to be an architect. My daughter is doing nursing. But

1475
01:07:43,813 --> 01:07:46,253
Speaker 20: you can't pick up a dog poos. So I'm like,

1476
01:07:46,413 --> 01:07:49,373
Speaker 20: what the heck. So it really just depends on Yeah,

1477
01:07:49,573 --> 01:07:53,333
Speaker 20: you're the person, maturity levels and what you what you

1478
01:07:53,333 --> 01:07:55,093
Speaker 20: feel your strings do.

1479
01:07:54,813 --> 01:07:56,733
Speaker 2: You do you agree with what I was saying Lisa

1480
01:07:56,853 --> 01:07:58,573
Speaker 2: that and it sounds like you had a great time

1481
01:07:58,613 --> 01:08:01,013
Speaker 2: at university, and so did I, But I don't know

1482
01:08:01,053 --> 01:08:03,933
Speaker 2: if it was productive. It was fantastic. But looking back now,

1483
01:08:03,973 --> 01:08:05,573
Speaker 2: and I think this is true of a lot of

1484
01:08:05,853 --> 01:08:09,093
Speaker 2: young people, it's just you can't decide. You're not quite

1485
01:08:09,133 --> 01:08:11,453
Speaker 2: ready to go into the workforce, you're not quite ready

1486
01:08:11,453 --> 01:08:15,693
Speaker 2: to grow up. So it's just it's almost I'll find

1487
01:08:15,733 --> 01:08:17,213
Speaker 2: something to do with the UNI so I don't have

1488
01:08:17,253 --> 01:08:19,133
Speaker 2: to make a decision for a while. I'll run up

1489
01:08:19,173 --> 01:08:22,612
Speaker 2: a massive student loan. Sure, but you're so young at

1490
01:08:22,613 --> 01:08:24,893
Speaker 2: the point you don't even imagine paying anything off you

1491
01:08:25,253 --> 01:08:26,812
Speaker 2: sign up to the student loan, you don't even think

1492
01:08:26,812 --> 01:08:30,172
Speaker 2: about it, and it's just a way to not really

1493
01:08:30,293 --> 01:08:32,972
Speaker 2: join the world yet exactly.

1494
01:08:33,372 --> 01:08:35,732
Speaker 20: I think you're also if you've been through a strict

1495
01:08:35,772 --> 01:08:38,412
Speaker 20: parenting or quite a strict school, and then you've studied

1496
01:08:38,412 --> 01:08:40,213
Speaker 20: for all that all those years, and then you haven't

1497
01:08:40,253 --> 01:08:43,532
Speaker 20: really had much life experience, and then study UNI and

1498
01:08:43,572 --> 01:08:45,133
Speaker 20: you don't know how to handle money. You've got no

1499
01:08:45,253 --> 01:08:48,612
Speaker 20: money sent so yeah, yeah, I think it depends on

1500
01:08:48,652 --> 01:08:50,772
Speaker 20: the person though, because some people are word like me

1501
01:08:50,853 --> 01:08:55,652
Speaker 20: and you maybe some people are more mature, but you know, yeah,

1502
01:08:55,853 --> 01:08:57,492
Speaker 20: that's my end, is my take on it. And I

1503
01:08:57,492 --> 01:09:00,173
Speaker 20: think sometimes you just need to go and do dumb

1504
01:09:00,173 --> 01:09:02,372
Speaker 20: shit and then you know, figure it all out, and

1505
01:09:02,412 --> 01:09:04,612
Speaker 20: then when you find that you need to do something,

1506
01:09:04,612 --> 01:09:05,612
Speaker 20: you'll probably figure it out.

1507
01:09:05,812 --> 01:09:05,972
Speaker 16: Yeah.

1508
01:09:05,973 --> 01:09:08,452
Speaker 2: Well, one of my friends didn't go to university, just

1509
01:09:08,452 --> 01:09:11,213
Speaker 2: stayed at home with his parents and just had the

1510
01:09:11,253 --> 01:09:14,612
Speaker 2: whole drinking and partying university life without getting it. He

1511
01:09:14,732 --> 01:09:16,412
Speaker 2: just wasn't enrolled. He'd come down and meet us for

1512
01:09:16,492 --> 01:09:18,972
Speaker 2: lunch every day in the court when we'd hang out,

1513
01:09:18,973 --> 01:09:21,372
Speaker 2: and then he'd go back and he's ended up been

1514
01:09:21,452 --> 01:09:24,133
Speaker 2: quite successful. He didn't get a degree, so he didn't

1515
01:09:24,173 --> 01:09:25,492
Speaker 2: do it in the world. He just but he got

1516
01:09:25,532 --> 01:09:28,973
Speaker 2: all the culture of university without going to a single lecture.

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01:09:29,532 --> 01:09:33,253
Speaker 20: Some people start this is absolutely no qualification at school

1518
01:09:33,333 --> 01:09:36,692
Speaker 20: or no degree, and they end up becoming multimillionaire. So

1519
01:09:37,173 --> 01:09:39,053
Speaker 20: I think it depends on the person. I think it

1520
01:09:39,093 --> 01:09:41,293
Speaker 20: depends on im maturity. I think it depends on so

1521
01:09:41,333 --> 01:09:44,013
Speaker 20: many factors that yeah, I was just laughing at your

1522
01:09:44,053 --> 01:09:46,812
Speaker 20: philosophy degree.

1523
01:09:47,013 --> 01:09:48,892
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, when I when I wrote a book on

1524
01:09:48,973 --> 01:09:52,333
Speaker 2: philosophy the audio books right now, it's sort of a

1525
01:09:52,333 --> 01:09:55,812
Speaker 2: philosophical book. I said that I did a degree and

1526
01:09:55,853 --> 01:09:58,293
Speaker 2: didn't learn a single thing from for to help me

1527
01:09:58,333 --> 01:10:02,972
Speaker 2: with this book from my philosophy degree, because at university

1528
01:10:03,013 --> 01:10:06,093
Speaker 2: doesn't really teach you lessons for life in philosophy. Like

1529
01:10:06,293 --> 01:10:08,933
Speaker 2: the idea of philosophy is to to stand how to

1530
01:10:08,973 --> 01:10:12,133
Speaker 2: cope with life. It's some guidance for your life, right,

1531
01:10:12,452 --> 01:10:15,013
Speaker 2: But university philosophy doesn't teach you that. It just you

1532
01:10:15,173 --> 01:10:17,972
Speaker 2: end up arguing about what with the venus is the north?

1533
01:10:18,013 --> 01:10:20,612
Speaker 2: The morning Star and the evening Star are the same

1534
01:10:20,692 --> 01:10:24,732
Speaker 2: thing and just semantics. Yeah, anyway, Lisa, always love your

1535
01:10:25,173 --> 01:10:26,532
Speaker 2: love to talk to you, and thank you so much

1536
01:10:26,532 --> 01:10:28,452
Speaker 2: for listening. And I do hope you are addicted to

1537
01:10:28,492 --> 01:10:28,812
Speaker 2: the show.

1538
01:10:29,133 --> 01:10:31,972
Speaker 3: Thank you very much. That was a great line from Lisa.

1539
01:10:32,013 --> 01:10:33,732
Speaker 3: Sometimes you just got to do dumb shit. I could

1540
01:10:33,732 --> 01:10:36,412
Speaker 3: see that on a bumper, Yeah, bumper sticker. Yeah, I

1541
01:10:36,412 --> 01:10:37,892
Speaker 3: mean it's quite right, that is true.

1542
01:10:37,973 --> 01:10:40,412
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And you can come back from a certain

1543
01:10:40,452 --> 01:10:42,372
Speaker 2: amount of years of doing dumb shit. You just can't

1544
01:10:42,412 --> 01:10:45,372
Speaker 2: come back from twenty years of doing dumb shit. Matt

1545
01:10:45,372 --> 01:10:47,732
Speaker 2: and Tyler. Nothing wrong with trades. Listening to Joe Rogan

1546
01:10:47,812 --> 01:10:51,012
Speaker 2: coming from a university educated female, I work with trades

1547
01:10:51,053 --> 01:10:53,572
Speaker 2: all the time, smartest people have ever met. They get

1548
01:10:53,612 --> 01:10:55,572
Speaker 2: what is going on in the real world, and Joe

1549
01:10:55,652 --> 01:10:57,652
Speaker 2: Rogan might be helping. Haha. That's from Marie.

1550
01:10:57,652 --> 01:11:00,412
Speaker 4: Thank you, Marie sixt right.

1551
01:11:00,492 --> 01:11:02,612
Speaker 3: We think we've got time for Ruben. Actually, before we

1552
01:11:02,652 --> 01:11:06,173
Speaker 3: get to play some messages. Get a Reuben o, kiddo,

1553
01:11:06,253 --> 01:11:09,253
Speaker 3: how are you guys doing good? And what's your thought

1554
01:11:09,293 --> 01:11:11,612
Speaker 3: about universus trade.

1555
01:11:12,133 --> 01:11:16,692
Speaker 18: We'll start. I'm a two time union dropout, current university student,

1556
01:11:17,572 --> 01:11:20,013
Speaker 18: twenty four, probably the youngest person ever call up on

1557
01:11:20,053 --> 01:11:25,173
Speaker 18: news storks they'd me, but I just quickly wanted to

1558
01:11:25,213 --> 01:11:28,053
Speaker 18: denounce that text that came through. And it's easy for

1559
01:11:28,253 --> 01:11:32,572
Speaker 18: both sides actually to flog off and say that the others,

1560
01:11:32,612 --> 01:11:36,213
Speaker 18: you know, dumb, brash tradees and you've got, you know,

1561
01:11:36,253 --> 01:11:39,972
Speaker 18: these fancy elitist university students. The end of the day,

1562
01:11:40,013 --> 01:11:42,933
Speaker 18: we're all just trying to make something of our lives.

1563
01:11:43,612 --> 01:11:45,852
Speaker 18: I just want to say that really quickly. But I

1564
01:11:45,973 --> 01:11:51,733
Speaker 18: have good experience making poor financial decisions with university. I

1565
01:11:51,772 --> 01:11:54,972
Speaker 18: did half a law degree and dropped out because all

1566
01:11:55,013 --> 01:11:56,892
Speaker 18: I wanted to do at the time was go to

1567
01:11:56,933 --> 01:12:00,412
Speaker 18: ski trips in the university ski club. I came back

1568
01:12:00,732 --> 01:12:05,812
Speaker 18: with maturity now doing urban planning at Auckland UNI, and

1569
01:12:06,333 --> 01:12:07,692
Speaker 18: coming back is a bit older.

1570
01:12:07,732 --> 01:12:07,933
Speaker 11: I know.

1571
01:12:08,412 --> 01:12:11,412
Speaker 18: You tell fellow younger students, we're all eighteen nineteen for

1572
01:12:11,452 --> 01:12:14,372
Speaker 18: the most part. To be honest, if you're not sure

1573
01:12:14,372 --> 01:12:16,852
Speaker 18: you want to be here right now, don't bother go

1574
01:12:16,893 --> 01:12:19,612
Speaker 18: out and live your life. Don't make the mistake I did,

1575
01:12:19,692 --> 01:12:22,253
Speaker 18: wasting time doing something that you didn't really want to

1576
01:12:22,253 --> 01:12:23,173
Speaker 18: do in the first place.

1577
01:12:23,492 --> 01:12:24,133
Speaker 4: It'smart Man.

1578
01:12:24,612 --> 01:12:27,133
Speaker 2: So how far through the law degree were you when

1579
01:12:27,133 --> 01:12:31,333
Speaker 2: you dropped out, Rubin? I was halfway through, so that's

1580
01:12:31,412 --> 01:12:36,053
Speaker 2: what two years. Yeah, so you've got third year, so

1581
01:12:36,093 --> 01:12:38,173
Speaker 2: you've got through legal system, so you know the first

1582
01:12:38,253 --> 01:12:40,652
Speaker 2: year actually, so you're originably focused in the first year

1583
01:12:40,652 --> 01:12:41,852
Speaker 2: to get into second year.

1584
01:12:42,933 --> 01:12:43,293
Speaker 16: Yes.

1585
01:12:43,772 --> 01:12:46,093
Speaker 18: I was a pretty decent student as well. I just

1586
01:12:46,173 --> 01:12:49,213
Speaker 18: couldn't hack the work ethic at the time was my problem.

1587
01:12:49,612 --> 01:12:53,253
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And so would you ever considered like knocking

1588
01:12:53,333 --> 01:12:56,492
Speaker 2: off the second the final two years of it.

1589
01:12:56,492 --> 01:12:58,412
Speaker 18: It's funny I think about that every day because I'm

1590
01:12:58,412 --> 01:13:00,892
Speaker 18: pretty much at the exact same point of my current degree.

1591
01:13:02,053 --> 01:13:05,253
Speaker 18: What decisions should I make right now? And I think

1592
01:13:05,293 --> 01:13:08,293
Speaker 18: to myself sometimes, you know, do I I mean every day,

1593
01:13:08,492 --> 01:13:10,692
Speaker 18: I'm basically at a balancing point. Do I give up

1594
01:13:10,732 --> 01:13:14,092
Speaker 18: and run away? Do I quit and join my mates

1595
01:13:14,133 --> 01:13:18,092
Speaker 18: trade company? Do I go back to law? It's all

1596
01:13:18,133 --> 01:13:20,253
Speaker 18: a lot, and to be honest, given like sort of

1597
01:13:20,253 --> 01:13:24,253
Speaker 18: current economic conditions and the outlook, it's a bit bleak.

1598
01:13:24,412 --> 01:13:27,532
Speaker 18: It feels all a bit bleak, and it makes you

1599
01:13:27,572 --> 01:13:30,812
Speaker 18: wonder what's really the point of continuing anything. You're just

1600
01:13:30,853 --> 01:13:32,652
Speaker 18: getting a happy van and go go live in the

1601
01:13:32,652 --> 01:13:33,253
Speaker 18: bush somewhere.

1602
01:13:33,293 --> 01:13:36,372
Speaker 3: Sometimes you know, yeah, what sounds like you're a deep thinker, Reuben.

1603
01:13:36,412 --> 01:13:37,812
Speaker 3: But I got to say, I mean, you know, when

1604
01:13:37,853 --> 01:13:40,213
Speaker 3: you start a degree like you did with law, it's

1605
01:13:40,213 --> 01:13:42,692
Speaker 3: hard to see that thirty thousand dollars per year is

1606
01:13:42,732 --> 01:13:45,372
Speaker 3: real money when it jumps on a student loan. You know,

1607
01:13:45,612 --> 01:13:47,772
Speaker 3: I've been there, I've got a massive student loan, and

1608
01:13:47,812 --> 01:13:50,173
Speaker 3: it's very difficult to see that is actual money at

1609
01:13:50,173 --> 01:13:50,492
Speaker 3: the time.

1610
01:13:51,452 --> 01:13:54,013
Speaker 18: Absolutely, I think the main thing is I think the

1611
01:13:54,093 --> 01:13:56,972
Speaker 18: degree itself only costs about eighty ten thousand yet it's

1612
01:13:56,973 --> 01:13:59,732
Speaker 18: the living cost when you're a broach student and you're

1613
01:13:59,732 --> 01:14:02,812
Speaker 18: borrowing two hundred and three hundred dollars.

1614
01:14:02,652 --> 01:14:05,532
Speaker 2: A week and scheme to be done as well.

1615
01:14:06,133 --> 01:14:10,132
Speaker 18: Absolutely, my mother absolutely would up into me for wasting

1616
01:14:10,173 --> 01:14:11,812
Speaker 18: the government's money, is what she was.

1617
01:14:12,293 --> 01:14:13,213
Speaker 4: It a good season.

1618
01:14:15,412 --> 01:14:19,253
Speaker 18: That particular year was great, yeah, I mean.

1619
01:14:19,612 --> 01:14:21,013
Speaker 2: I mean, the thing is, you're just not in that

1620
01:14:21,093 --> 01:14:23,572
Speaker 2: position in life, when you're that age to make those

1621
01:14:23,652 --> 01:14:26,333
Speaker 2: kind of decisions. You see a student loan and because

1622
01:14:26,333 --> 01:14:28,133
Speaker 2: you don't even think about the future, you don't even

1623
01:14:28,133 --> 01:14:30,892
Speaker 2: think about three weeks from now, well, you think about

1624
01:14:30,973 --> 01:14:32,812
Speaker 2: what you're going to do on Wednesday night, which a

1625
01:14:32,853 --> 01:14:36,253
Speaker 2: student go out night, or Thursday or Friday. You know,

1626
01:14:36,412 --> 01:14:39,053
Speaker 2: the idea that this money that you're borrowing, borrowing is

1627
01:14:39,093 --> 01:14:41,372
Speaker 2: something you have to pay back. For a lot of people,

1628
01:14:41,372 --> 01:14:43,133
Speaker 2: if you're an idiot eighteen year old like me, I

1629
01:14:43,213 --> 01:14:45,053
Speaker 2: never thought about it. I didn't even There wasn't even

1630
01:14:45,053 --> 01:14:47,293
Speaker 2: a second when I was signing student loan stuff that

1631
01:14:47,333 --> 01:14:48,612
Speaker 2: I thought that I'd be paying it back. I didn't

1632
01:14:48,612 --> 01:14:50,892
Speaker 2: think about that at all. I thought great money, this

1633
01:14:50,973 --> 01:14:51,933
Speaker 2: is this is fantastic.

1634
01:14:53,093 --> 01:14:55,732
Speaker 18: At the time when I first went to UNI, there

1635
01:14:55,853 --> 01:14:59,732
Speaker 18: was first years free and that was actually that was

1636
01:14:59,812 --> 01:15:01,973
Speaker 18: low key a blessing because it meant that to what

1637
01:15:02,333 --> 01:15:05,333
Speaker 18: what about an extra ten k on? But thankfully I

1638
01:15:05,333 --> 01:15:07,492
Speaker 18: didn't have to pay for that. Obviously I understand that's

1639
01:15:07,492 --> 01:15:10,612
Speaker 18: not changed last year three if I'm not mistaken, but

1640
01:15:11,013 --> 01:15:14,692
Speaker 18: which it's probably a better incentive to continue studying. Well

1641
01:15:14,772 --> 01:15:16,932
Speaker 18: many but as you say, most people probably don't even

1642
01:15:16,933 --> 01:15:18,612
Speaker 18: really think too hard about any of the money that

1643
01:15:18,652 --> 01:15:20,052
Speaker 18: they're signing up for in the first place.

1644
01:15:20,253 --> 01:15:22,612
Speaker 2: Yeah, until they're about thirty three and they go, god

1645
01:15:22,772 --> 01:15:26,492
Speaker 2: damn it now. But Ruben, the thing is, when you're

1646
01:15:26,612 --> 01:15:28,692
Speaker 2: twenty four, like you are, you start to think, boy,

1647
01:15:28,732 --> 01:15:30,372
Speaker 2: I'm getting old. I need to make some decisions. And

1648
01:15:30,372 --> 01:15:31,612
Speaker 2: when you get a bit older, you think I was

1649
01:15:31,652 --> 01:15:34,133
Speaker 2: twenty four, My whole anything, the whole world was open

1650
01:15:34,173 --> 01:15:37,732
Speaker 2: to me to make mistakes and do things. So, you know,

1651
01:15:39,093 --> 01:15:39,932
Speaker 2: enjoy your twenties.

1652
01:15:39,933 --> 01:15:40,173
Speaker 4: Mate.

1653
01:15:40,333 --> 01:15:43,133
Speaker 2: You sound like a smart guy, and I feel like you,

1654
01:15:43,133 --> 01:15:45,013
Speaker 2: and it is try to see deep thinker. So I think,

1655
01:15:45,213 --> 01:15:46,652
Speaker 2: I think you'll make the right decisions and I think

1656
01:15:46,652 --> 01:15:47,732
Speaker 2: you'll go very well in life.

1657
01:15:47,732 --> 01:15:49,253
Speaker 20: Buddy, appreciate that.

1658
01:15:49,293 --> 01:15:49,452
Speaker 10: Well.

1659
01:15:49,492 --> 01:15:51,612
Speaker 18: One of the reasons I studied and planning was to

1660
01:15:51,812 --> 01:15:54,452
Speaker 18: get people like you who call the city railing a

1661
01:15:54,492 --> 01:15:58,013
Speaker 18: city little train to realize what amazing things we can

1662
01:15:58,053 --> 01:16:01,972
Speaker 18: do with amazing city as well.

1663
01:16:02,412 --> 01:16:03,933
Speaker 2: Look, I don't know if I said it was a

1664
01:16:03,933 --> 01:16:05,572
Speaker 2: silly lit I think it's a very cool thing. I

1665
01:16:05,572 --> 01:16:06,973
Speaker 2: think my thing is we needed to build it in

1666
01:16:07,013 --> 01:16:09,173
Speaker 2: the nineteen fifties. That would be great.

1667
01:16:09,213 --> 01:16:11,133
Speaker 18: Yes, we can't go back in time, so we have

1668
01:16:11,213 --> 01:16:20,812
Speaker 18: to do things. Get me started on the trap, great call.

1669
01:16:20,933 --> 01:16:23,492
Speaker 3: New Zealander, got a play some messages when we come back.

1670
01:16:23,532 --> 01:16:25,492
Speaker 3: We'll get to a few more of your stories. Oh,

1671
01:16:25,492 --> 01:16:27,213
Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten eighties and number to call

1672
01:16:27,253 --> 01:16:27,892
Speaker 3: it seven.

1673
01:16:27,692 --> 01:16:31,333
Speaker 1: To three, the issues that affect you, and a bit

1674
01:16:31,372 --> 01:16:34,052
Speaker 1: of fun along the way. Mad Heath and Taylor Adams

1675
01:16:34,093 --> 01:16:36,013
Speaker 1: afternoons news talks'd be.

1676
01:16:37,572 --> 01:16:39,213
Speaker 4: It is four to two three.

1677
01:16:39,452 --> 01:16:40,933
Speaker 2: I have to say this is text. So this is

1678
01:16:40,973 --> 01:16:42,652
Speaker 2: all a bit silly and academic. If you want to

1679
01:16:42,652 --> 01:16:44,933
Speaker 2: be a lawyer, you need a law degree. Simple. If not,

1680
01:16:45,133 --> 01:16:50,612
Speaker 2: do something else back is the best option? The trades

1681
01:16:50,732 --> 01:16:53,492
Speaker 2: or UNI probably depends on the person and the course

1682
01:16:53,532 --> 01:16:55,652
Speaker 2: and the commitment. But one thing we can all agree

1683
01:16:55,652 --> 01:16:57,812
Speaker 2: on after this hour. I think around this issue is

1684
01:16:57,812 --> 01:17:00,612
Speaker 2: that the person who sent this text is a noob. Yeah,

1685
01:17:00,652 --> 01:17:03,252
Speaker 2: good one. Guys, push for the dumbing down of the country,

1686
01:17:03,293 --> 01:17:06,732
Speaker 2: more right wing trades. Listening to Joe Rogan, we would

1687
01:17:06,772 --> 01:17:09,173
Speaker 2: hate to have smart people learning things, so you can

1688
01:17:09,253 --> 01:17:11,972
Speaker 2: lead to us some sensible directions. Hand the world over

1689
01:17:11,973 --> 01:17:15,253
Speaker 2: to the Meathheads smart plan idiocracy. As you say, I

1690
01:17:15,253 --> 01:17:18,973
Speaker 2: think we can all join together and hold hands and

1691
01:17:19,013 --> 01:17:21,692
Speaker 2: agree that that person who sent that text in as

1692
01:17:21,692 --> 01:17:22,212
Speaker 2: a dickhead.

1693
01:17:22,333 --> 01:17:24,293
Speaker 4: No of the week, Yeah, absolutely right.

1694
01:17:24,333 --> 01:17:27,133
Speaker 3: Coming up after three o'clock, what is the best live

1695
01:17:27,213 --> 01:17:29,372
Speaker 3: event to be a spectator at? This is going to

1696
01:17:29,372 --> 01:17:32,852
Speaker 3: be a good chat after you commentated a dance event.

1697
01:17:33,013 --> 01:17:35,652
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. Also the New Zealand of the week?

1698
01:17:35,652 --> 01:17:36,173
Speaker 2: Who will it be?

1699
01:17:36,372 --> 01:17:36,532
Speaker 24: Oh?

1700
01:17:36,692 --> 01:17:39,013
Speaker 3: That is coming up very soon. New Sporting Weather on

1701
01:17:39,013 --> 01:17:39,932
Speaker 3: its way grade have your.

1702
01:17:39,853 --> 01:17:45,772
Speaker 4: Company your new home?

1703
01:17:45,933 --> 01:17:50,573
Speaker 1: Are instateful and entertaining Talk. It's Mattie and Taylor Adams

1704
01:17:50,612 --> 01:17:52,452
Speaker 1: afternoons on News Talk.

1705
01:17:52,572 --> 01:17:57,293
Speaker 3: Sebby Welcome back into the show. It is seven past three.

1706
01:17:57,452 --> 01:18:00,852
Speaker 2: It so Friday Session. We put behind the serious chat

1707
01:18:00,893 --> 01:18:02,812
Speaker 2: about where we work and what are we going to

1708
01:18:02,853 --> 01:18:05,732
Speaker 2: do with our careers and what's happening with the economy

1709
01:18:05,772 --> 01:18:09,012
Speaker 2: and have a bit of fun for the last fifty minutes.

1710
01:18:09,133 --> 01:18:12,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's have some fun, happy hour, let's call it there,

1711
01:18:12,133 --> 01:18:14,973
Speaker 3: because this is going to be a absolutely great discussion.

1712
01:18:15,053 --> 01:18:16,572
Speaker 2: Actually, I've been having a lot of fun out there

1713
01:18:16,973 --> 01:18:20,052
Speaker 2: for Ethan Stills going away. Yes, there's a little chips

1714
01:18:20,053 --> 01:18:20,412
Speaker 2: out there.

1715
01:18:20,812 --> 01:18:22,692
Speaker 4: Well you're into the old what do they call them?

1716
01:18:22,732 --> 01:18:23,253
Speaker 2: Cheeseballs.

1717
01:18:23,253 --> 01:18:25,133
Speaker 4: I haven't had a cheese ball for a long time.

1718
01:18:25,412 --> 01:18:28,293
Speaker 2: Balls inspected, Yeah nicely.

1719
01:18:28,973 --> 01:18:30,333
Speaker 4: Yeah they were tasty balls.

1720
01:18:30,652 --> 01:18:31,772
Speaker 2: Great cheese balls out there.

1721
01:18:31,812 --> 01:18:35,052
Speaker 3: Absolutely right, this is going to be a fantastic chat.

1722
01:18:35,412 --> 01:18:38,532
Speaker 3: What is the best live live event to be expectator at?

1723
01:18:38,572 --> 01:18:41,293
Speaker 3: This was after you were a commentator for quite a

1724
01:18:41,333 --> 01:18:42,012
Speaker 3: great event.

1725
01:18:41,893 --> 01:18:45,213
Speaker 2: That's right. Yeah. I was in seeing and commentating the

1726
01:18:45,293 --> 01:18:48,692
Speaker 2: Savory Grand Slam twenty twenty five Darts Championship last night.

1727
01:18:48,692 --> 01:18:51,253
Speaker 2: It was a fantastic events at the what is it

1728
01:18:51,293 --> 01:18:54,532
Speaker 2: called that big shed down the bottom of town, massive event.

1729
01:18:54,732 --> 01:18:58,572
Speaker 2: It was me g Lane, my good buddy, and Ben

1730
01:18:58,652 --> 01:19:01,973
Speaker 2: big Rig Rob who's a champion darts person, And it

1731
01:19:02,013 --> 01:19:05,492
Speaker 2: got me thinking as the crowd was jumping up and

1732
01:19:05,532 --> 01:19:08,452
Speaker 2: down and everyone was in costumes, there was dancing on

1733
01:19:08,492 --> 01:19:12,133
Speaker 2: the stage. I just got me thinking, is darts the

1734
01:19:12,173 --> 01:19:15,652
Speaker 2: best live entertainment in the world. I mean, it was

1735
01:19:15,652 --> 01:19:17,293
Speaker 2: a fantastic we run event. I mean, I'm sure you

1736
01:19:17,293 --> 01:19:20,052
Speaker 2: could ever poorly run darts event. This is the savory

1737
01:19:20,053 --> 01:19:23,532
Speaker 2: people ran this event phenomenally and you know, we had

1738
01:19:23,772 --> 01:19:26,572
Speaker 2: Brazilian dancers on stage all with us, and it was

1739
01:19:26,612 --> 01:19:29,213
Speaker 2: it was just great and really great technology. I was

1740
01:19:29,253 --> 01:19:30,812
Speaker 2: worried I was going to have to count out the numbers,

1741
01:19:30,853 --> 01:19:33,093
Speaker 2: but the cameras and the computers were counting up the

1742
01:19:33,133 --> 01:19:35,213
Speaker 2: numbers for me, which was bloody buddy great. But it

1743
01:19:35,213 --> 01:19:38,412
Speaker 2: got me thinking, is that the best event you can

1744
01:19:38,452 --> 01:19:43,012
Speaker 2: go to? It's it's easy to follow this skill, there's pace.

1745
01:19:43,772 --> 01:19:46,092
Speaker 2: But you know what's better is going to the league?

1746
01:19:46,732 --> 01:19:49,053
Speaker 2: Going to league and it mount smart? Is that is

1747
01:19:49,053 --> 01:19:53,972
Speaker 2: that better? The football, rock, concerts, band, symphony orchestras. I've

1748
01:19:53,973 --> 01:19:56,013
Speaker 2: got mates that think symphony orchestras are the greatest things

1749
01:19:56,053 --> 01:19:56,372
Speaker 2: in the world.

1750
01:19:56,452 --> 01:19:59,932
Speaker 4: You know for some people that the UFC, Yeah, UFC,

1751
01:20:00,213 --> 01:20:01,532
Speaker 4: you've been there. I haven't.

1752
01:20:02,173 --> 01:20:03,893
Speaker 2: Being close to the ring at UFC is one of

1753
01:20:03,893 --> 01:20:07,173
Speaker 2: the most intense things experiences of my life. Just having

1754
01:20:07,213 --> 01:20:09,213
Speaker 2: someone get their absolute crew feeding out of them a

1755
01:20:09,213 --> 01:20:10,932
Speaker 2: couple of meters in front of you is quite intense.

1756
01:20:11,013 --> 01:20:13,052
Speaker 4: Yeah, and what was the crowd like bowling?

1757
01:20:13,133 --> 01:20:15,692
Speaker 2: Screaming, Yeah, yelling right, screaming, but having a good time,

1758
01:20:15,772 --> 01:20:20,692
Speaker 2: well behaved. Yeah. You know, there's lots and lots of

1759
01:20:20,772 --> 01:20:22,892
Speaker 2: options out there of events you can go to. But

1760
01:20:22,933 --> 01:20:25,572
Speaker 2: what is the best event and why? What is the

1761
01:20:25,612 --> 01:20:27,852
Speaker 2: funnest thing to buy a ticket to and go to?

1762
01:20:28,013 --> 01:20:30,013
Speaker 2: And why? I went to the Full Metal Orchestra the

1763
01:20:30,093 --> 01:20:32,852
Speaker 2: other day, the symphony thing. Yep, that was bloody great.

1764
01:20:33,572 --> 01:20:35,612
Speaker 3: Great things about that from you and others? Oh, eight

1765
01:20:35,732 --> 01:20:38,492
Speaker 3: hundred eighty ten eighty, what is the best live event?

1766
01:20:38,732 --> 01:20:40,812
Speaker 3: To be a spectator rat? What have you gone to

1767
01:20:40,933 --> 01:20:43,052
Speaker 3: that you said? Yep, this is you can't do better

1768
01:20:43,093 --> 01:20:45,293
Speaker 3: than that. Love to hear your thoughts. Oh, eight hundred

1769
01:20:45,333 --> 01:20:47,492
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty is the number to call, But

1770
01:20:47,692 --> 01:20:51,933
Speaker 3: right now it is ten pas three.

1771
01:20:53,133 --> 01:20:55,572
Speaker 25: Every Friday on Matt and Tyler afternoons on z B

1772
01:20:55,732 --> 01:20:57,772
Speaker 25: we name the new Zealander of the Week and honor

1773
01:20:57,812 --> 01:21:00,012
Speaker 25: that we bestow on your behalf to a newsmaker who's

1774
01:21:00,013 --> 01:21:03,093
Speaker 25: had an outsized effect on our great and beautiful.

1775
01:21:02,732 --> 01:21:04,932
Speaker 2: Nation over the previous seven days.

1776
01:21:04,973 --> 01:21:08,093
Speaker 25: So, without further ado, the nominees for Matt and Tyler

1777
01:21:08,093 --> 01:21:11,372
Speaker 25: after the New Zealand of the Week are Nominee one

1778
01:21:11,532 --> 01:21:13,933
Speaker 25: also gets the Ship.

1779
01:21:20,452 --> 01:21:20,852
Speaker 1: Award.

1780
01:21:21,133 --> 01:21:23,532
Speaker 2: He's been away and now he's coming back to Canterbury

1781
01:21:23,572 --> 01:21:26,973
Speaker 2: where he won them seven crowns. He'll be eligible for

1782
01:21:26,973 --> 01:21:29,532
Speaker 2: the ABS in October twenty six and he'll be there

1783
01:21:29,612 --> 01:21:32,492
Speaker 2: for the World Cup twenty twenty seven. Raiser loves them

1784
01:21:32,772 --> 01:21:35,692
Speaker 2: and we love Raises four deep strategy. We all know

1785
01:21:35,772 --> 01:21:40,412
Speaker 2: what happened in twenty eleven. Body Mackenzie, Ritchie and maybe

1786
01:21:40,452 --> 01:21:40,852
Speaker 2: love all.

1787
01:21:40,853 --> 01:21:50,293
Speaker 5: The cheese, longmar You are nominated for New Zealander of

1788
01:21:50,333 --> 01:21:50,732
Speaker 5: the Week.

1789
01:21:51,253 --> 01:21:53,732
Speaker 4: You have a single.

1790
01:21:55,412 --> 01:21:58,213
Speaker 2: Nominee two also gets the E grade for a Crap

1791
01:21:58,293 --> 01:22:02,732
Speaker 2: System Award. Nca was confusing anti excellence and didn't help

1792
01:22:02,772 --> 01:22:05,293
Speaker 2: young Kewies achieve their best. It was such a cock

1793
01:22:05,372 --> 01:22:08,173
Speaker 2: up not even its architects are coming out to support it.

1794
01:22:08,532 --> 01:22:10,532
Speaker 2: Would it kill us to tell the kids the truth,

1795
01:22:10,772 --> 01:22:12,933
Speaker 2: give them a proper grade and get them ready for

1796
01:22:12,973 --> 01:22:16,732
Speaker 2: the real world the Certificate of Education. Whatever you turn

1797
01:22:16,772 --> 01:22:19,412
Speaker 2: out to be, you'll be better than NCAA. And you

1798
01:22:19,612 --> 01:22:22,852
Speaker 2: are nominated for a New Zealander of the Week, but

1799
01:22:22,933 --> 01:22:25,253
Speaker 2: there can be only one, and the winner gets the

1800
01:22:25,253 --> 01:22:29,333
Speaker 2: Poop Blue Award. Dogs are the best of us, loyal,

1801
01:22:29,612 --> 01:22:33,652
Speaker 2: cute and friendly. Unfortunately, what comes out their back end

1802
01:22:34,053 --> 01:22:36,452
Speaker 2: is second only to what comes out of a cat's

1803
01:22:36,492 --> 01:22:41,213
Speaker 2: back end for disgustingness. But never fear. Wherever there is

1804
01:22:41,253 --> 01:22:43,732
Speaker 2: a dog in our beautiful country, there is a great

1805
01:22:43,812 --> 01:22:47,453
Speaker 2: new Zealander not far behind with a bunch of bags.

1806
01:22:48,013 --> 01:22:50,772
Speaker 2: The best of these people will even pick up the

1807
01:22:50,812 --> 01:22:55,612
Speaker 2: filth of other people's dogs dog walking Kiwi's and your

1808
01:22:55,692 --> 01:22:59,452
Speaker 2: bags of shame. You are out getting exercise.

1809
01:22:59,333 --> 01:23:03,133
Speaker 26: Vitamin D and bringing joy to the world, and you

1810
01:23:03,933 --> 01:23:09,093
Speaker 26: and your filthy bags are the Madden Tyler afternoons Zealanders

1811
01:23:09,412 --> 01:23:10,213
Speaker 26: of the week.

1812
01:23:10,893 --> 01:23:24,892
Speaker 2: Take it away, howie, Just don't put them in a

1813
01:23:24,933 --> 01:23:28,572
Speaker 2: freshly clear wheye ban in front of someone's house or

1814
01:23:28,572 --> 01:23:31,772
Speaker 2: a public than in front of a deary All right then, okay, Colin.

1815
01:23:32,853 --> 01:23:33,572
Speaker 2: Colin's good point.

1816
01:23:33,572 --> 01:23:40,172
Speaker 27: If good listen what a goodpool you are on him?

1817
01:23:40,173 --> 01:23:42,333
Speaker 1: Man Ethan Tyler Adams.

1818
01:23:44,053 --> 01:23:47,372
Speaker 3: News talk Zby afternoon it is a quarter past three.

1819
01:23:47,492 --> 01:23:50,852
Speaker 3: What is the best live event to be a spectator at?

1820
01:23:50,893 --> 01:23:53,692
Speaker 3: There's some great cools and texts coming through. Oh, eight

1821
01:23:53,812 --> 01:23:56,052
Speaker 3: hundred and eighteen eighty is the number to call.

1822
01:23:56,412 --> 01:23:58,293
Speaker 2: Hey, guys, I reckon the best live events that either

1823
01:23:58,333 --> 01:24:00,892
Speaker 2: stand up comedy or boxing. Have a great weekend, some

1824
01:24:00,933 --> 01:24:04,133
Speaker 2: great comedy on this weekend. Theon. Yeah, I went to

1825
01:24:04,133 --> 01:24:08,732
Speaker 2: see Mark normand over at the Bruce Mason Center on

1826
01:24:08,772 --> 01:24:11,452
Speaker 2: the North Shore a couple of weekends ago on Sunday,

1827
01:24:11,492 --> 01:24:14,532
Speaker 2: my favorite US comic and boy, oh boy, did I

1828
01:24:14,652 --> 01:24:16,012
Speaker 2: laughed until my ribs were sore.

1829
01:24:16,333 --> 01:24:16,972
Speaker 4: That's hard.

1830
01:24:17,013 --> 01:24:21,932
Speaker 2: It's hard to be but a poor standard comedian is

1831
01:24:21,973 --> 01:24:23,572
Speaker 2: probably more painful than nearly anything.

1832
01:24:23,732 --> 01:24:26,972
Speaker 4: Can be pretty tough to sit through. Yeah, absolutely sues.

1833
01:24:26,973 --> 01:24:27,452
Speaker 4: How are you?

1834
01:24:28,293 --> 01:24:28,492
Speaker 19: Oh?

1835
01:24:28,532 --> 01:24:34,293
Speaker 8: Good boys? I wrote in because I was lucky enough

1836
01:24:34,293 --> 01:24:39,133
Speaker 8: to go to Sirk Sleet in Auckland. It was absolutely

1837
01:24:39,253 --> 01:24:44,213
Speaker 8: amazing and there was even a guy because of a real

1838
01:24:44,333 --> 01:24:49,652
Speaker 8: athletes and it was the Michael Jackson thing. So even

1839
01:24:49,692 --> 01:24:52,532
Speaker 8: though I found a lot older, I'm not I knew

1840
01:24:52,532 --> 01:24:56,493
Speaker 8: all the words, but it was just amazing.

1841
01:24:58,173 --> 01:25:03,052
Speaker 3: And what was the dislay theme when you went Michael Jackson?

1842
01:25:03,133 --> 01:25:04,452
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, sorry you did say that.

1843
01:25:04,612 --> 01:25:07,812
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, no, that's all right, but yes, it was

1844
01:25:07,853 --> 01:25:08,652
Speaker 8: an amazing thing.

1845
01:25:08,652 --> 01:25:11,772
Speaker 2: But I would love to go to the dance so

1846
01:25:11,853 --> 01:25:16,293
Speaker 2: with Sleigh. So you've got Michael Jackson, what was happening?

1847
01:25:16,333 --> 01:25:19,293
Speaker 2: In it with there's people swinging around on trapezs as well.

1848
01:25:20,053 --> 01:25:22,973
Speaker 8: Yeah, there was even a guy in a wheelchair and

1849
01:25:23,013 --> 01:25:27,053
Speaker 8: he was doing amazing sort of athletic feats. They do

1850
01:25:27,532 --> 01:25:30,492
Speaker 8: they Oh yeah, there's a bit of magic, of course,

1851
01:25:30,612 --> 01:25:33,692
Speaker 8: and a lot of dancing and music. And the band

1852
01:25:33,853 --> 01:25:38,692
Speaker 8: I believe that they were Kiwi guys. They were awesome.

1853
01:25:39,173 --> 01:25:41,132
Speaker 8: It was just the whole place was rocking.

1854
01:25:41,812 --> 01:25:42,213
Speaker 4: Love it.

1855
01:25:42,572 --> 01:25:44,812
Speaker 3: We can hear the excitement in your voice too. So

1856
01:25:44,893 --> 01:25:47,173
Speaker 3: you absolutely go again if it Winning Earth it came

1857
01:25:47,253 --> 01:25:47,732
Speaker 3: to town.

1858
01:25:48,372 --> 01:25:52,213
Speaker 8: Yes, yes, I would absolutely. It was really good.

1859
01:25:52,572 --> 01:25:55,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it, Sir a silayh Test, I got

1860
01:25:55,333 --> 01:25:57,532
Speaker 3: some good things. I've never been myself, but I'd love

1861
01:25:57,572 --> 01:25:58,732
Speaker 3: to if it Nicks comes to town.

1862
01:25:59,133 --> 01:26:01,852
Speaker 2: When I was when I was in Las Vegas recently,

1863
01:26:01,853 --> 01:26:05,652
Speaker 2: I saw they had a beatle suit to salet. I

1864
01:26:05,652 --> 01:26:07,972
Speaker 2: think they've got all coinds, haven't They've got basically every

1865
01:26:07,973 --> 01:26:10,333
Speaker 2: flavor of suit to slay you can possibly imagine.

1866
01:26:11,053 --> 01:26:12,933
Speaker 8: Yes, all right, they do.

1867
01:26:13,452 --> 01:26:17,213
Speaker 2: Okay, I agree with Homer Simpsons who called it suit

1868
01:26:17,372 --> 01:26:18,213
Speaker 2: suit to so lame.

1869
01:26:18,893 --> 01:26:19,532
Speaker 4: That's right.

1870
01:26:19,732 --> 01:26:21,732
Speaker 2: You know, Home is right about some things and wrong

1871
01:26:21,732 --> 01:26:22,333
Speaker 2: about others.

1872
01:26:22,452 --> 01:26:24,972
Speaker 4: He's a tough a tough critical at Homer get.

1873
01:26:24,853 --> 01:26:28,293
Speaker 27: A tim you get a yeah, ap, you're into some

1874
01:26:28,612 --> 01:26:31,612
Speaker 27: man stuff and you're into cars and each other. You've

1875
01:26:31,652 --> 01:26:35,372
Speaker 27: got the New Zealand Superstocks Teams champs each cheerheld at

1876
01:26:35,412 --> 01:26:38,693
Speaker 27: Palms North beginning of February. Yep, barely for money.

1877
01:26:39,372 --> 01:26:43,972
Speaker 2: Right, and I have not been so when did you say?

1878
01:26:43,973 --> 01:26:48,532
Speaker 27: It wasn't January beginning of February every year Palms the North.

1879
01:26:48,812 --> 01:26:51,732
Speaker 2: Oh, how good? And how many times? How many times

1880
01:26:51,772 --> 01:26:52,173
Speaker 2: have been.

1881
01:26:52,492 --> 01:26:54,492
Speaker 27: Been for I used to go all the time years ago,

1882
01:26:54,532 --> 01:26:56,612
Speaker 27: but I haven't been for a few years now. But

1883
01:26:57,133 --> 01:26:58,492
Speaker 27: you have to be a new early to get tickets.

1884
01:26:58,492 --> 01:26:59,892
Speaker 27: It sells there pretty quick.

1885
01:27:00,253 --> 01:27:03,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there you go.

1886
01:27:03,173 --> 01:27:07,692
Speaker 27: So you're in your other speedway events or any class

1887
01:27:07,732 --> 01:27:10,692
Speaker 27: that's running our championships like a New Zealand title or

1888
01:27:10,732 --> 01:27:13,813
Speaker 27: a North of South ISLD title on all the classes.

1889
01:27:14,253 --> 01:27:16,132
Speaker 27: They're also quite good value for money.

1890
01:27:16,372 --> 01:27:19,812
Speaker 2: Yeah, and what do you think of the whole Western

1891
01:27:19,893 --> 01:27:23,013
Speaker 2: Spring situation? Just open a can of worms.

1892
01:27:24,293 --> 01:27:27,333
Speaker 27: Yeah, well, I've never been here because I'm in Wellington,

1893
01:27:27,412 --> 01:27:30,412
Speaker 27: so I can't can't go. There's too far away. But yes,

1894
01:27:30,412 --> 01:27:34,213
Speaker 27: it's it's not good. It's good to sort of let

1895
01:27:34,253 --> 01:27:35,972
Speaker 27: them get their foot in the door. Doesn't that these

1896
01:27:35,973 --> 01:27:39,452
Speaker 27: counsels are you need raining in anyway?

1897
01:27:39,973 --> 01:27:43,253
Speaker 2: Yeah? All right about a bunch of turning left and

1898
01:27:43,253 --> 01:27:45,333
Speaker 2: smashing into people. I love it. Thank you so much

1899
01:27:45,372 --> 01:27:45,972
Speaker 2: for your call to them.

1900
01:27:46,133 --> 01:27:48,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of fans of the old Superstocks

1901
01:27:48,253 --> 01:27:50,932
Speaker 3: out there in a couple for the off speedway as well.

1902
01:27:51,053 --> 01:27:53,013
Speaker 3: One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number of call.

1903
01:27:53,093 --> 01:27:55,613
Speaker 3: What is the best live event to be a spectator?

1904
01:27:55,652 --> 01:28:00,492
Speaker 2: App Malca's last Saturday at the Grand AFL.

1905
01:28:00,173 --> 01:28:02,052
Speaker 4: Final, Yeah, that would have been something.

1906
01:28:02,253 --> 01:28:04,452
Speaker 2: AFL is quite a sport. When I was in Brisbane,

1907
01:28:04,452 --> 01:28:06,013
Speaker 2: I went along to an AFL game and I was like,

1908
01:28:06,732 --> 01:28:11,333
Speaker 2: this makes sense. It's it's you know, if you don't

1909
01:28:11,333 --> 01:28:13,092
Speaker 2: know the rules, it seems like a bunch of idiots

1910
01:28:13,133 --> 01:28:15,333
Speaker 2: kicking too many people on the field, kicking around rugby

1911
01:28:15,412 --> 01:28:17,093
Speaker 2: ball and short shorts and single it's a lot of

1912
01:28:17,133 --> 01:28:19,532
Speaker 2: running around on a cricket field. Yeah, and it just

1913
01:28:19,732 --> 01:28:21,772
Speaker 2: feels like it's an invention to use a cricket feel

1914
01:28:21,973 --> 01:28:24,412
Speaker 2: in off season. But once you start to know the

1915
01:28:24,452 --> 01:28:27,333
Speaker 2: rules and you watch it live, it is a fantastic spectacle.

1916
01:28:27,412 --> 01:28:29,732
Speaker 3: Insane athletes. I eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is

1917
01:28:29,772 --> 01:28:31,733
Speaker 3: the number to call. It is twenty past.

1918
01:28:31,492 --> 01:28:38,732
Speaker 1: Three Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight

1919
01:28:38,853 --> 01:28:41,413
Speaker 1: hundred eighty ten eighty on news Talk ZVY.

1920
01:28:41,492 --> 01:28:43,012
Speaker 4: Afternoon twenty two pass three.

1921
01:28:43,053 --> 01:28:45,173
Speaker 3: What is the best live evant to be a spectator

1922
01:28:45,293 --> 01:28:46,893
Speaker 3: at so I eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is

1923
01:28:46,933 --> 01:28:47,732
Speaker 3: the numbered call.

1924
01:28:48,013 --> 01:28:49,412
Speaker 4: So many good techs coming.

1925
01:28:49,253 --> 01:28:52,173
Speaker 3: Through, a lot of support for the Superstocks, The Superstocks,

1926
01:28:52,293 --> 01:28:56,333
Speaker 3: Team Champs is value for money and the Team Champs

1927
01:28:56,333 --> 01:28:59,653
Speaker 3: and Parmi Atmosphere is unreal. Look at it on YouTube.

1928
01:28:59,772 --> 01:29:02,253
Speaker 2: Okay, well, hey there's a sit to Sali. The next

1929
01:29:02,372 --> 01:29:06,452
Speaker 2: one is coming in Auckland on October November this year.

1930
01:29:06,572 --> 01:29:07,972
Speaker 4: Good time. Susan will be very happy.

1931
01:29:08,013 --> 01:29:12,173
Speaker 2: So happy you can go back mark what do you

1932
01:29:12,173 --> 01:29:15,652
Speaker 2: think is the best entertainment the best event you can

1933
01:29:15,692 --> 01:29:15,892
Speaker 2: go to?

1934
01:29:17,053 --> 01:29:17,253
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1935
01:29:17,293 --> 01:29:20,772
Speaker 11: Gooday, guys, great show mate. About over thirty years ago,

1936
01:29:20,772 --> 01:29:23,492
Speaker 11: I played three seasons of rugby in Toronto and my

1937
01:29:23,532 --> 01:29:26,012
Speaker 11: wife and I were very lucky to get the second

1938
01:29:26,772 --> 01:29:29,973
Speaker 11: night of the after the opening of the Brandy SkyDome

1939
01:29:30,893 --> 01:29:33,772
Speaker 11: to watch the Blue Jays play. But one of the

1940
01:29:33,772 --> 01:29:35,892
Speaker 11: guys in the rugby club I played for was Kiwi

1941
01:29:35,933 --> 01:29:38,852
Speaker 11: and three other Irish guys had season tickets that Rich

1942
01:29:38,893 --> 01:29:41,652
Speaker 11: Stadium to watch the Buffalo Bills play in Buffalo. They

1943
01:29:41,652 --> 01:29:45,053
Speaker 11: were great fans of the American football and so invariably

1944
01:29:45,093 --> 01:29:47,372
Speaker 11: if the Irish guys couldn't go, then the kid, the

1945
01:29:47,372 --> 01:29:50,092
Speaker 11: guy who went all the time would get a few more. Kiwason,

1946
01:29:50,173 --> 01:29:52,333
Speaker 11: we go down for a night in Buffalo, go out

1947
01:29:52,372 --> 01:29:56,812
Speaker 11: and watch the Rich Stadium and maybe three years sold

1948
01:29:56,853 --> 01:30:00,293
Speaker 11: out eighty eight thousand people over here and three years

1949
01:30:00,333 --> 01:30:03,412
Speaker 11: to play one hour game. But it was the entertainment

1950
01:30:03,492 --> 01:30:06,692
Speaker 11: and the hype and they know the rah rah and

1951
01:30:06,692 --> 01:30:08,492
Speaker 11: everything was just said test.

1952
01:30:08,572 --> 01:30:12,052
Speaker 2: Well, they're some of the best fans in the whole NFL,

1953
01:30:12,053 --> 01:30:16,733
Speaker 2: aren't they? The Bills mafia. They go absolutely crazy. Yeah.

1954
01:30:16,853 --> 01:30:19,652
Speaker 11: And then afterwards and that Ski we guys you know,

1955
01:30:20,013 --> 01:30:22,253
Speaker 11: we're Yeah, you sort of make yourself known where you go.

1956
01:30:22,652 --> 01:30:26,412
Speaker 11: But the the Towergate party afterwards of the car park

1957
01:30:26,612 --> 01:30:31,933
Speaker 11: was bloody memorable, mate, you know it was. It was

1958
01:30:31,973 --> 01:30:33,732
Speaker 11: a great time. It was a great show. Yeah, it

1959
01:30:33,772 --> 01:30:34,213
Speaker 11: was awesome.

1960
01:30:35,452 --> 01:30:39,412
Speaker 2: Tailgating is just it hasn't it never come came to

1961
01:30:39,452 --> 01:30:40,812
Speaker 2: New Zealand. I don't think it will ever now, No

1962
01:30:40,853 --> 01:30:42,612
Speaker 2: one would allow it to happen. But it's one of

1963
01:30:42,652 --> 01:30:46,972
Speaker 2: the great things around American football. I went to Sofi

1964
01:30:47,013 --> 01:30:49,492
Speaker 2: Stadium a couple of years ago to see the Rams play.

1965
01:30:49,532 --> 01:30:52,412
Speaker 2: I'm a big Rams fan, and that was slightly different thing,

1966
01:30:52,652 --> 01:30:54,652
Speaker 2: but the way it was set up there wasn't talgating anything.

1967
01:30:54,652 --> 01:30:56,812
Speaker 2: But it was incredible. I mean, that five billion dollar

1968
01:30:57,333 --> 01:31:03,133
Speaker 2: Sofi Stadium. It was just such an epic experience. And yeah,

1969
01:31:03,173 --> 01:31:05,492
Speaker 2: it's hard to describe the level of hypes. You're just

1970
01:31:05,572 --> 01:31:07,452
Speaker 2: so hyped with the time the game starts.

1971
01:31:07,732 --> 01:31:11,572
Speaker 24: It's almost like, yeah, they had or in between eight

1972
01:31:11,893 --> 01:31:14,452
Speaker 24: when when the teams went off for a break that

1973
01:31:14,532 --> 01:31:19,013
Speaker 24: the whole field was covered in college brass.

1974
01:31:18,652 --> 01:31:23,812
Speaker 11: Bands and cheerleaders and oh mate, it was fantastic year.

1975
01:31:24,173 --> 01:31:24,892
Speaker 11: It was awesome.

1976
01:31:27,053 --> 01:31:30,412
Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, yeers, you can hear.

1977
01:31:30,572 --> 01:31:32,293
Speaker 4: You can hear Mark still visit on that one.

1978
01:31:32,333 --> 01:31:34,572
Speaker 3: I mean, you can see why they get so excited

1979
01:31:34,572 --> 01:31:36,652
Speaker 3: about American football, American sports.

1980
01:31:36,652 --> 01:31:39,412
Speaker 2: Americans do sports so very well. You know. I'm a

1981
01:31:39,452 --> 01:31:41,892
Speaker 2: Dodgers fan, been to Dodger Stadium a number of times

1982
01:31:42,013 --> 01:31:45,253
Speaker 2: and going to see the baseball is absolutely phenomenal. Being

1983
01:31:45,253 --> 01:31:47,812
Speaker 2: to baseball and number of cities in the States it's

1984
01:31:47,853 --> 01:31:50,972
Speaker 2: just so great level of hype for the NFL when

1985
01:31:51,013 --> 01:31:53,253
Speaker 2: you go to those games. Incredible. Never been to an

1986
01:31:53,333 --> 01:31:56,412
Speaker 2: NBA game, but I mentioned an NBA game would be fantastic.

1987
01:31:56,572 --> 01:31:57,413
Speaker 4: Yeah. Absolutely.

1988
01:31:57,412 --> 01:31:59,532
Speaker 3: Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

1989
01:31:59,572 --> 01:32:04,492
Speaker 3: to cool Graham. You went to a fantastic event, Tour

1990
01:32:04,572 --> 01:32:05,172
Speaker 3: de France.

1991
01:32:06,013 --> 01:32:07,692
Speaker 4: I've said that terribly. Tour de France.

1992
01:32:09,093 --> 01:32:13,093
Speaker 13: Yeah. I went on a cycle to a second ride

1993
01:32:13,253 --> 01:32:15,093
Speaker 13: part of the route as well as watch it, which

1994
01:32:15,133 --> 01:32:19,692
Speaker 13: is pretty unreal. So they closed the roads vehicle about

1995
01:32:19,692 --> 01:32:21,852
Speaker 13: three days before the peloton comes through, but anyone with

1996
01:32:22,013 --> 01:32:24,052
Speaker 13: a bike can ride the route up to two hours

1997
01:32:24,412 --> 01:32:26,612
Speaker 13: before the race comes through. So you go right up

1998
01:32:26,652 --> 01:32:31,932
Speaker 13: these these coals and there's just spectators everywhere, and they

1999
01:32:32,093 --> 01:32:33,932
Speaker 13: sort of yell and scream at you as if you're

2000
01:32:33,732 --> 01:32:37,532
Speaker 13: the real deal, even know you're probably a mammal like

2001
01:32:37,692 --> 01:32:40,372
Speaker 13: me kind of thing. But yeah, it's just a it's

2002
01:32:40,412 --> 01:32:44,572
Speaker 13: a three week party. It's yeah, the whole country gets

2003
01:32:44,572 --> 01:32:48,732
Speaker 13: into it, and yeah, what goes on on the on

2004
01:32:48,772 --> 01:32:51,133
Speaker 13: the side of the road is just incredible. But but

2005
01:32:51,173 --> 01:32:53,492
Speaker 13: what I find amazing about it is how close you

2006
01:32:53,492 --> 01:32:55,852
Speaker 13: can get to the athletes, like and no other sport.

2007
01:32:56,133 --> 01:33:00,132
Speaker 13: Could you basically be that close to someone that's competing.

2008
01:33:00,173 --> 01:33:02,133
Speaker 13: I mean you could walk and push them off their

2009
01:33:02,173 --> 01:33:03,333
Speaker 13: bikes if you really wanted.

2010
01:33:04,053 --> 01:33:05,692
Speaker 2: That woman a few years ago that held up that

2011
01:33:05,732 --> 01:33:08,532
Speaker 2: sign sign for a grandmother and took a.

2012
01:33:08,612 --> 01:33:12,133
Speaker 13: Rid yeah, and got manhunted.

2013
01:33:13,053 --> 01:33:18,092
Speaker 2: But it was a nice gesture that went so badly wrong.

2014
01:33:19,372 --> 01:33:19,572
Speaker 23: Yeah.

2015
01:33:19,652 --> 01:33:21,293
Speaker 13: Well, I mean, unfortunately a lot of the people that

2016
01:33:21,372 --> 01:33:23,692
Speaker 13: hold signs up these days are doing it for the camera,

2017
01:33:23,732 --> 01:33:26,492
Speaker 13: is not the riders, right, a bit of a shame,

2018
01:33:27,133 --> 01:33:30,492
Speaker 13: and are there to take selfies of themselves. But I

2019
01:33:30,532 --> 01:33:32,732
Speaker 13: went in twenty sixteen where I think that thing that

2020
01:33:32,812 --> 01:33:36,452
Speaker 13: sort of thing wasn't wasn't quite as prevalent. But yeah,

2021
01:33:36,853 --> 01:33:40,492
Speaker 13: it's it's just utter madness because it's like a three

2022
01:33:40,532 --> 01:33:45,892
Speaker 13: week holiday rather than a particular event. But yeah, anyone

2023
01:33:45,933 --> 01:33:49,253
Speaker 13: that's had had anything to do with cycling it, you've

2024
01:33:49,253 --> 01:33:50,492
Speaker 13: got to do it as a bucket list.

2025
01:33:50,732 --> 01:33:53,253
Speaker 2: Well, it must be amazing, Graham, because you know, when

2026
01:33:53,293 --> 01:33:57,612
Speaker 2: I watched the toward the France on TV, every village

2027
01:33:57,612 --> 01:33:59,692
Speaker 2: they go where it was the most beautiful thing you've

2028
01:33:59,772 --> 01:34:02,253
Speaker 2: ever seen, and you go, God, I'd love to live there. God,

2029
01:34:02,293 --> 01:34:04,812
Speaker 2: I'd love to visit there. That the shots of it,

2030
01:34:04,853 --> 01:34:06,892
Speaker 2: I mean, before you even get to the racing, just

2031
01:34:06,933 --> 01:34:11,093
Speaker 2: how beautiful French countrysiders. So it must be amazing to

2032
01:34:11,093 --> 01:34:13,653
Speaker 2: be going from those places to those places.

2033
01:34:14,133 --> 01:34:16,093
Speaker 13: Yeah, and the food is incredible as well. But what

2034
01:34:16,452 --> 01:34:18,572
Speaker 13: all the people don't understand as well as the quality

2035
01:34:18,612 --> 01:34:21,213
Speaker 13: of the roads, because what happens is you get your

2036
01:34:21,412 --> 01:34:23,772
Speaker 13: local town or whatever put on the route and the

2037
01:34:23,853 --> 01:34:25,692
Speaker 13: mayor will go to the EU and say, oh, we

2038
01:34:25,772 --> 01:34:28,532
Speaker 13: must have some funding for our old you know, there's

2039
01:34:28,772 --> 01:34:32,532
Speaker 13: it's absolutely like riding on carpet. There's no potholes in

2040
01:34:32,572 --> 01:34:34,892
Speaker 13: the roads or anything like that, because obviously they don't

2041
01:34:34,893 --> 01:34:37,532
Speaker 13: want the one the rider's coming off because you know,

2042
01:34:37,572 --> 01:34:40,812
Speaker 13: it's unlike, yeah, it's you know, there's no chip arm

2043
01:34:41,213 --> 01:34:45,092
Speaker 13: or anything like that. It's just it's absolutely immaculate roads.

2044
01:34:45,093 --> 01:34:46,892
Speaker 13: And so when you do the sense, you can get

2045
01:34:47,053 --> 01:34:49,612
Speaker 13: may one hundred kN hour just easily.

2046
01:34:50,612 --> 01:34:50,892
Speaker 28: Yeah.

2047
01:34:51,053 --> 01:34:53,692
Speaker 13: And as I say that, the views and the scenery

2048
01:34:53,732 --> 01:34:56,372
Speaker 13: are just incredible as well, and it's so warm that

2049
01:34:56,492 --> 01:34:57,013
Speaker 13: time of year.

2050
01:34:57,572 --> 01:35:00,452
Speaker 3: How much hard yaker was it getting up those some

2051
01:35:00,492 --> 01:35:03,813
Speaker 3: of those climbs, Graham.

2052
01:35:03,133 --> 01:35:05,892
Speaker 13: You've got to have a bit of experience, But I mean,

2053
01:35:06,492 --> 01:35:08,612
Speaker 13: we did this one called cold a tormulate told me

2054
01:35:08,652 --> 01:35:10,532
Speaker 13: about an hour and a half late that the riders

2055
01:35:10,572 --> 01:35:13,053
Speaker 13: will do that in city five forty minutes. Kind of

2056
01:35:13,093 --> 01:35:17,652
Speaker 13: thank you, So like you you realize that, you know,

2057
01:35:17,692 --> 01:35:22,133
Speaker 13: you're not worthy kind of thing when you actually have

2058
01:35:22,213 --> 01:35:24,452
Speaker 13: to do some of the acents that they.

2059
01:35:24,333 --> 01:35:27,052
Speaker 2: Do and stuff that they do it fifty k.

2060
01:35:28,532 --> 01:35:32,133
Speaker 13: Yeah, it's yeah, that.

2061
01:35:32,093 --> 01:35:34,732
Speaker 2: Lance Armstrong was incredible. How he could just pound up

2062
01:35:34,772 --> 01:35:36,972
Speaker 2: those hells without even getting a sweat on it was amazing.

2063
01:35:37,093 --> 01:35:40,652
Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, that's right. Unfortunately they were they weren't offering

2064
01:35:40,692 --> 01:35:41,533
Speaker 13: any PD.

2065
01:35:42,933 --> 01:35:43,532
Speaker 28: On holiday.

2066
01:35:43,893 --> 01:35:45,652
Speaker 2: So see you know when when when you know when

2067
01:35:45,652 --> 01:35:48,372
Speaker 2: you're watching the Tour de France on the TV and

2068
01:35:48,412 --> 01:35:50,772
Speaker 2: that's the people are lining the roads. Are they generally

2069
01:35:50,812 --> 01:35:54,213
Speaker 2: people from the villages in the towns or as a

2070
01:35:54,253 --> 01:35:56,492
Speaker 2: lot of people like yourself that are following and sitting

2071
01:35:56,572 --> 01:35:58,852
Speaker 2: up and just following the whole race around.

2072
01:35:59,612 --> 01:36:02,253
Speaker 13: Yeah, it's a lot of tourists. I mean you'll see

2073
01:36:02,372 --> 01:36:06,173
Speaker 13: campavans and stuff. So people hire camperans and they'll just drive. Yes,

2074
01:36:06,333 --> 01:36:08,173
Speaker 13: if you're if you're hiring a campvan, you've got a

2075
01:36:08,213 --> 01:36:10,293
Speaker 13: part by the roadside for about three days prior to

2076
01:36:10,372 --> 01:36:12,772
Speaker 13: the race going through and wait there. So they all

2077
01:36:12,812 --> 01:36:15,772
Speaker 13: just get on the booze for three days. They're they're

2078
01:36:15,812 --> 01:36:18,852
Speaker 13: all well tanked before the peloton comes through kind of thing,

2079
01:36:18,893 --> 01:36:20,412
Speaker 13: and then they'll pack up and just drive to the

2080
01:36:20,452 --> 01:36:23,333
Speaker 13: next place and reprints and repeat. But a lot of

2081
01:36:23,333 --> 01:36:26,053
Speaker 13: people follow it around in their cars and then just

2082
01:36:26,213 --> 01:36:29,252
Speaker 13: you know, go up and and hang on the roadside

2083
01:36:29,293 --> 01:36:31,452
Speaker 13: and you talk to lots of people. And also all

2084
01:36:31,452 --> 01:36:34,972
Speaker 13: the sponsors come through through out, you know, T shirts

2085
01:36:35,013 --> 01:36:37,692
Speaker 13: and caps and all of that sort of stuff to

2086
01:36:38,492 --> 01:36:40,532
Speaker 13: people on the road on side of the road and

2087
01:36:40,532 --> 01:36:43,333
Speaker 13: stuff as well before the pelton comes through.

2088
01:36:43,412 --> 01:36:46,213
Speaker 2: So yeah, it sounds like such a good time. That

2089
01:36:46,333 --> 01:36:49,532
Speaker 2: sounds like almost the best time I can imagine.

2090
01:36:50,293 --> 01:36:52,852
Speaker 13: It's pretty cool, especially if the riding boats.

2091
01:36:52,973 --> 01:36:55,412
Speaker 2: Yeah, good on your Graham, Thank you so much for

2092
01:36:55,492 --> 01:37:02,333
Speaker 2: ringing and for the to the front is a potential

2093
01:37:02,372 --> 01:37:04,052
Speaker 2: for the best event in the world.

2094
01:37:04,293 --> 01:37:06,652
Speaker 3: Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty what is the best

2095
01:37:06,692 --> 01:37:09,492
Speaker 3: live event you've been a specter at. There's so many

2096
01:37:09,572 --> 01:37:11,412
Speaker 3: ticks coming through, but'd love to hear from your one

2097
01:37:11,452 --> 01:37:14,973
Speaker 3: O one hundred and eighty ten eighty afternoon lads. The

2098
01:37:15,013 --> 01:37:17,293
Speaker 3: best event had to be watching the birth of my children.

2099
01:37:17,532 --> 01:37:19,652
Speaker 4: She is Michael, How was that for you? Pretty good

2100
01:37:19,652 --> 01:37:20,333
Speaker 4: spectator sport.

2101
01:37:20,692 --> 01:37:23,052
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't have seventy thousand people watching maken.

2102
01:37:23,133 --> 01:37:27,412
Speaker 4: You is bang on Hapa's three headlines coming up.

2103
01:37:29,572 --> 01:37:32,612
Speaker 14: Hu's talk sa'd be headlines were blue bubble taxis is

2104
01:37:32,692 --> 01:37:36,612
Speaker 14: no trouble with a blue bubble. Israel's security cabinet approved

2105
01:37:36,772 --> 01:37:40,852
Speaker 14: Prime Minister Benjamin Ettanyahu's plans for a complete military takeover

2106
01:37:41,013 --> 01:37:45,412
Speaker 14: of Gaza. The UNS warned of catastrophic consequences for Palestinian

2107
01:37:45,492 --> 01:37:49,692
Speaker 14: civilians and Israeli hostages. Two men are facing a hall

2108
01:37:49,772 --> 01:37:52,933
Speaker 14: of firearm and drug charges after a sudden search of

2109
01:37:53,013 --> 01:37:56,053
Speaker 14: a property south of Auckland. Police alleged they saw a

2110
01:37:56,133 --> 01:37:58,812
Speaker 14: man hiding drugs and cash in the engine bay of

2111
01:37:58,893 --> 01:38:03,412
Speaker 14: a car as they arrived at the Patamahoy address. Underneeda man'

2112
01:38:03,412 --> 01:38:06,972
Speaker 14: spleeded guilty to the manslaughter Office. Partner who died after

2113
01:38:07,093 --> 01:38:10,692
Speaker 14: falling from a moving trailer in March. Thirty two year

2114
01:38:10,732 --> 01:38:14,133
Speaker 14: old Andrew Jaden Mercer appeared in Dunedin's High Court this morning,

2115
01:38:14,532 --> 01:38:20,173
Speaker 14: accepting responsibility for the death of Robert Douglas Ralston. Australian

2116
01:38:20,213 --> 01:38:24,172
Speaker 14: police believe Aaron Patterson tried to poison her estranged husband

2117
01:38:24,372 --> 01:38:28,772
Speaker 14: several times before hosting the fatal mushroom lunch. After her arrest,

2118
01:38:28,853 --> 01:38:31,812
Speaker 14: police also charged her with one count of attempted murder

2119
01:38:31,893 --> 01:38:36,012
Speaker 14: of Simon Patterson from earlier, but the charge was not pursued.

2120
01:38:37,013 --> 01:38:40,532
Speaker 14: And eighteen under eighteen New Zealand's emerging sporting talent making

2121
01:38:40,612 --> 01:38:43,612
Speaker 14: waves here and overseas. See the full list at Zed

2122
01:38:43,652 --> 01:38:46,092
Speaker 14: Harold Premium. Now back to Matt and Tyler.

2123
01:38:46,293 --> 01:38:48,532
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Wendy, and we are talking about

2124
01:38:48,652 --> 01:38:51,372
Speaker 3: the best live events you've ever seen as a spectator.

2125
01:38:52,532 --> 01:38:54,772
Speaker 2: Best has to be Aware's home game. Matt Heath would

2126
01:38:54,772 --> 01:38:58,012
Speaker 2: have no idea because he never uses his ticket. Smiley face,

2127
01:38:58,133 --> 01:39:00,293
Speaker 2: that'll be one of my friends that we've will got

2128
01:39:00,572 --> 01:39:03,213
Speaker 2: member's tickets. But I've been out of town the last

2129
01:39:03,253 --> 01:39:03,732
Speaker 2: few games.

2130
01:39:03,973 --> 01:39:06,452
Speaker 4: The intention's always there, but you just haven't quite minutes

2131
01:39:06,492 --> 01:39:07,372
Speaker 4: to make in the last few once.

2132
01:39:07,492 --> 01:39:10,612
Speaker 2: Yeah, a couple of paid for the tickets and my

2133
01:39:10,732 --> 01:39:12,812
Speaker 2: friend Casts goes along for free every week and I

2134
01:39:12,893 --> 01:39:13,173
Speaker 2: can't go.

2135
01:39:13,692 --> 01:39:17,572
Speaker 4: Yeah, Lucky Cass eight ten eighty is the number to call,

2136
01:39:18,372 --> 01:39:18,692
Speaker 4: John O.

2137
01:39:19,053 --> 01:39:21,692
Speaker 2: What do you think is the greatest event you can attend?

2138
01:39:23,532 --> 01:39:30,372
Speaker 16: So two I went to the first home game. It

2139
01:39:30,452 --> 01:39:33,492
Speaker 16: was all back to this Ireland straight after COVID, and

2140
01:39:33,933 --> 01:39:37,732
Speaker 16: that the atmosphere there was just absolutely electric. It was

2141
01:39:37,772 --> 01:39:39,572
Speaker 16: the first ever All Backs game that I went to,

2142
01:39:40,293 --> 01:39:43,053
Speaker 16: and just the whole atmosphere there. Everyone was just so

2143
01:39:43,133 --> 01:39:44,932
Speaker 16: happy to be there out for what the country had

2144
01:39:44,973 --> 01:39:47,852
Speaker 16: gone through. So for me, that's that's, that's that top

2145
01:39:47,893 --> 01:39:48,253
Speaker 16: of the list.

2146
01:39:49,133 --> 01:39:53,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's that's interesting because you know that particular game,

2147
01:39:53,253 --> 01:39:56,492
Speaker 2: that particular attitude and the fact sport had been taken

2148
01:39:56,492 --> 01:39:59,293
Speaker 2: away for for so long would have probably led to

2149
01:39:59,333 --> 01:40:02,692
Speaker 2: a spectacular experience. But a lot of people texting and

2150
01:40:02,812 --> 01:40:04,972
Speaker 2: saying that the All Blacks experience isn't so great now

2151
01:40:05,133 --> 01:40:08,812
Speaker 2: that everyone's sitting down and grumpy and just to expecting

2152
01:40:09,253 --> 01:40:11,732
Speaker 2: to win. So have you been to to other All

2153
01:40:11,772 --> 01:40:14,452
Speaker 2: Blacks fixtures and with a different.

2154
01:40:15,372 --> 01:40:18,293
Speaker 16: Yeah, So I went to the one of the English

2155
01:40:18,333 --> 01:40:21,732
Speaker 16: games last year that was like that was pretty good. Obviously,

2156
01:40:21,812 --> 01:40:23,652
Speaker 16: it still just wasn't as great as the Ireland one.

2157
01:40:23,692 --> 01:40:25,532
Speaker 16: I mean, Ireland always put a pretty good fight and

2158
01:40:25,612 --> 01:40:27,492
Speaker 16: to have them play at the Garden was pretty special

2159
01:40:27,893 --> 01:40:29,932
Speaker 16: from what we've been through. But I mean I remember,

2160
01:40:30,253 --> 01:40:32,732
Speaker 16: I remember, just like Anne Smith, he scored this real

2161
01:40:32,853 --> 01:40:35,892
Speaker 16: nice runaway try and everyone just jumped up on their

2162
01:40:35,933 --> 01:40:39,293
Speaker 16: feet and me and it was just electric. Everyone was screaming,

2163
01:40:39,333 --> 01:40:41,213
Speaker 16: everyone was yelling. I think it was mostly just coming

2164
01:40:41,253 --> 01:40:44,412
Speaker 16: from me, but just it was it was, It was

2165
01:40:44,492 --> 01:40:46,372
Speaker 16: so much. It was just so much fun. And I

2166
01:40:46,492 --> 01:40:49,692
Speaker 16: was into a few Blues games then and a few

2167
01:40:49,812 --> 01:40:53,652
Speaker 16: NPC games, so but yeah, I don't think anything could

2168
01:40:53,732 --> 01:40:54,293
Speaker 16: quite stop that.

2169
01:40:54,612 --> 01:40:55,932
Speaker 2: Yeah, what a time.

2170
01:40:56,133 --> 01:40:56,412
Speaker 23: Love it.

2171
01:40:57,412 --> 01:41:00,972
Speaker 2: I went to see the All Blacks France for South

2172
01:41:01,053 --> 01:41:02,652
Speaker 2: Barth Stadium a few weeks ago and that was that

2173
01:41:02,853 --> 01:41:03,492
Speaker 2: was a great time.

2174
01:41:03,612 --> 01:41:04,652
Speaker 4: That's a great stadium.

2175
01:41:04,973 --> 01:41:09,412
Speaker 3: They absolutely get excited there, get a color. Hello, Now

2176
01:41:09,692 --> 01:41:12,612
Speaker 3: this is interesting. What is the House of Dancing Water.

2177
01:41:13,612 --> 01:41:17,293
Speaker 29: House of Dancing Water is a massive show in Macare

2178
01:41:18,293 --> 01:41:23,293
Speaker 29: that did happened prior to COVID, but was closed down

2179
01:41:23,372 --> 01:41:26,492
Speaker 29: during COVID and is just three open three months ago.

2180
01:41:27,732 --> 01:41:32,092
Speaker 29: It is centered at the stage is a fifteen meters

2181
01:41:32,213 --> 01:41:38,172
Speaker 29: deep pool and during a show there are twenty divers

2182
01:41:38,293 --> 01:41:44,812
Speaker 29: permanently in the pool to give heir two Those that

2183
01:41:45,333 --> 01:41:49,253
Speaker 29: are throwing and diving fallen as part of the show.

2184
01:41:49,732 --> 01:41:51,852
Speaker 2: Wow, I'm watching some of it comes up out of it.

2185
01:41:52,093 --> 01:41:54,213
Speaker 2: I'm watching some of it on I'm watching some of

2186
01:41:54,293 --> 01:41:58,532
Speaker 2: it on YouTube right now. It looks absolutely phenomenal. It's huge,

2187
01:41:59,532 --> 01:42:02,132
Speaker 2: people being lowered into the water on caves, there's boats

2188
01:42:02,173 --> 01:42:03,773
Speaker 2: going everywhere, there's people.

2189
01:42:04,973 --> 01:42:08,772
Speaker 29: Gridable and at the end of the show, a diver

2190
01:42:09,013 --> 01:42:13,772
Speaker 29: dives twenty five meters into the fole. Wow. Yeah, twenty

2191
01:42:13,853 --> 01:42:17,053
Speaker 29: five meters above. But what I can't get my head

2192
01:42:17,093 --> 01:42:22,372
Speaker 29: around the staging that comes up and it's all hydraulically driven,

2193
01:42:23,253 --> 01:42:25,772
Speaker 29: and the hydraulics are sitting in the pole.

2194
01:42:26,532 --> 01:42:27,973
Speaker 2: Yeah. Like I'm looking at it some of it now

2195
01:42:28,013 --> 01:42:31,173
Speaker 2: and there's like it's it's the city growing out of

2196
01:42:31,213 --> 01:42:31,692
Speaker 2: the back of it.

2197
01:42:32,612 --> 01:42:32,852
Speaker 19: Wow.

2198
01:42:33,093 --> 01:42:35,612
Speaker 16: Yes, And there's beautiful just.

2199
01:42:36,293 --> 01:42:38,452
Speaker 2: Hundreds and hundred of people being lowered in on cages

2200
01:42:39,492 --> 01:42:41,093
Speaker 2: round it is phenomenal.

2201
01:42:41,812 --> 01:42:42,092
Speaker 1: Wow.

2202
01:42:42,492 --> 01:42:46,412
Speaker 29: And there's a splash zone. The two front rows are

2203
01:42:46,572 --> 01:42:49,612
Speaker 29: what they call the splash zone. So the first time

2204
01:42:49,692 --> 01:42:51,973
Speaker 29: we saw it, we were in the splash zone and

2205
01:42:52,093 --> 01:42:55,973
Speaker 29: they provided punt shows and a little souvenir tail and

2206
01:42:56,133 --> 01:42:59,972
Speaker 29: some of I've discovered that some of the areal artists

2207
01:43:00,612 --> 01:43:03,053
Speaker 29: try very hard to see what if they can get

2208
01:43:03,133 --> 01:43:04,333
Speaker 29: their section the wetter.

2209
01:43:06,133 --> 01:43:08,572
Speaker 2: So how did you do? Did you go Tom? How

2210
01:43:08,853 --> 01:43:11,333
Speaker 2: purposely for that or were you were just visiting and

2211
01:43:11,452 --> 01:43:12,093
Speaker 2: came across it.

2212
01:43:14,692 --> 01:43:19,572
Speaker 29: I don't want to give too much away, Okay, A

2213
01:43:20,253 --> 01:43:24,572
Speaker 29: family members very instrumental in getting it up and running again. Okay,

2214
01:43:24,893 --> 01:43:28,372
Speaker 29: well it looks incredible to stay and we saw the

2215
01:43:28,452 --> 01:43:29,492
Speaker 29: show twice.

2216
01:43:29,812 --> 01:43:30,932
Speaker 4: Right, how long's the show?

2217
01:43:31,173 --> 01:43:31,293
Speaker 2: Is it?

2218
01:43:31,372 --> 01:43:32,132
Speaker 4: A couple of hours?

2219
01:43:32,893 --> 01:43:33,173
Speaker 6: Ninety?

2220
01:43:34,173 --> 01:43:34,293
Speaker 24: Right?

2221
01:43:34,532 --> 01:43:35,093
Speaker 4: Incredible?

2222
01:43:35,133 --> 01:43:39,333
Speaker 2: Of course, So you related to shin ping. Help, she's gone,

2223
01:43:39,412 --> 01:43:42,452
Speaker 2: she's gone? Care Welcome to the show.

2224
01:43:43,452 --> 01:43:45,093
Speaker 4: Hello, Hello, how are you?

2225
01:43:46,812 --> 01:43:49,172
Speaker 30: I thought i'd bring and tell you about our amazing

2226
01:43:49,333 --> 01:43:54,892
Speaker 30: experience in South Africa Johannesburg at Tullis part watching an

2227
01:43:54,933 --> 01:43:59,053
Speaker 30: all black test and and we wanted a course which

2228
01:43:59,173 --> 01:44:04,772
Speaker 30: was even better. But an absolutely amazing, amazing day right

2229
01:44:04,893 --> 01:44:07,213
Speaker 30: from when we got to the stadium with all the brides,

2230
01:44:07,293 --> 01:44:09,133
Speaker 30: they have all their little bud que set up on

2231
01:44:09,213 --> 01:44:12,772
Speaker 30: their boots, their car boots, and they're all cooking up

2232
01:44:12,853 --> 01:44:14,693
Speaker 30: and everyone's all painted.

2233
01:44:14,452 --> 01:44:17,772
Speaker 28: Up and all the colors and it was so so good.

2234
01:44:17,973 --> 01:44:19,572
Speaker 18: And then went.

2235
01:44:19,492 --> 01:44:23,293
Speaker 30: Inside and of course all the what do you call

2236
01:44:23,333 --> 01:44:28,333
Speaker 30: them cheerleaders and all the amazing food stores, incredible entertainment

2237
01:44:28,452 --> 01:44:31,932
Speaker 30: on the stage, lots and lots of music and great bands,

2238
01:44:32,093 --> 01:44:36,852
Speaker 30: and then we got into the stadium itself and I

2239
01:44:36,893 --> 01:44:38,893
Speaker 30: couldn't believe how steep it was, and we had to

2240
01:44:38,973 --> 01:44:39,892
Speaker 30: walk miles up.

2241
01:44:39,812 --> 01:44:40,333
Speaker 28: To the top.

2242
01:44:41,213 --> 01:44:44,013
Speaker 30: And while we were waiting for the game, we were

2243
01:44:44,253 --> 01:44:48,973
Speaker 30: entertained by all of these big, early South African men

2244
01:44:49,093 --> 01:44:54,692
Speaker 30: all walking up really steep steep steps carrying huge big

2245
01:44:55,013 --> 01:44:57,053
Speaker 30: I don't know what they called schooners or something of

2246
01:44:57,133 --> 01:45:00,133
Speaker 30: their but they were very skilled at doing it. It

2247
01:45:00,293 --> 01:45:02,772
Speaker 30: was just it was so good, right from the very

2248
01:45:02,853 --> 01:45:04,492
Speaker 30: word to the to when we won.

2249
01:45:05,412 --> 01:45:08,532
Speaker 2: Looks always looks like in fantastic time on the TV

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01:45:09,053 --> 01:45:11,333
Speaker 2: at Ellis Park, it looks like they give it a

2251
01:45:11,412 --> 01:45:13,812
Speaker 2: hundie and it's more of a festival atmosphere than we

2252
01:45:13,933 --> 01:45:14,253
Speaker 2: do here.

2253
01:45:14,692 --> 01:45:16,132
Speaker 14: Totally, oh totally.

2254
01:45:16,452 --> 01:45:19,412
Speaker 30: It's like it was like an all day event, you know.

2255
01:45:19,652 --> 01:45:23,093
Speaker 30: I mean all the buses were arriving really early, like

2256
01:45:23,372 --> 01:45:25,973
Speaker 30: seven thirty in the morning for a game that was

2257
01:45:25,973 --> 01:45:27,093
Speaker 30: starting in the afternoon.

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01:45:27,133 --> 01:45:27,293
Speaker 14: You know.

2259
01:45:27,692 --> 01:45:29,253
Speaker 18: Was it was huge.

2260
01:45:29,412 --> 01:45:31,053
Speaker 30: But we all had an amazing time.

2261
01:45:31,173 --> 01:45:32,613
Speaker 7: So yeah, that was a great experience.

2262
01:45:32,772 --> 01:45:35,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, were you there specifically for the All Blacks game

2263
01:45:35,293 --> 01:45:38,772
Speaker 3: or you're already in South Africa and the opportunity came up, Well,

2264
01:45:38,853 --> 01:45:39,133
Speaker 3: we were.

2265
01:45:39,572 --> 01:45:41,812
Speaker 30: We were on a big golf tour actually all through

2266
01:45:41,893 --> 01:45:44,492
Speaker 30: South Africa, so this was just like a little side

2267
01:45:44,532 --> 01:45:47,612
Speaker 30: trip which was absolutely amazing, like perfect timing.

2268
01:45:47,933 --> 01:45:50,852
Speaker 24: Yeah, yeah, we stood of Luxe and it was great.

2269
01:45:51,333 --> 01:45:54,532
Speaker 2: Those stadiums that are designed exactly for one sport, so

2270
01:45:54,652 --> 01:45:57,012
Speaker 2: it's so that, as you say, the really steep stands

2271
01:45:57,133 --> 01:45:59,532
Speaker 2: and it's you know, it's around the rectangle just makes

2272
01:45:59,532 --> 01:46:01,053
Speaker 2: such a cool driven experience.

2273
01:46:01,133 --> 01:46:04,572
Speaker 30: So absolutely, yeah, no, no, it was you have to

2274
01:46:04,652 --> 01:46:07,253
Speaker 30: be fit. I mean, you know, it was much deeper

2275
01:46:07,333 --> 01:46:08,972
Speaker 30: than what it looks on TV.

2276
01:46:12,133 --> 01:46:12,652
Speaker 1: It was cool.

2277
01:46:13,213 --> 01:46:15,133
Speaker 2: What a great experience. Care thanks so much growing up

2278
01:46:15,133 --> 01:46:15,852
Speaker 2: and sharing that with us.

2279
01:46:15,933 --> 01:46:16,293
Speaker 4: How good?

2280
01:46:16,333 --> 01:46:18,213
Speaker 3: Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

2281
01:46:18,253 --> 01:46:20,173
Speaker 3: to cour What is the best live event to be

2282
01:46:20,253 --> 01:46:21,293
Speaker 3: expectator rat.

2283
01:46:21,253 --> 01:46:23,013
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. Twickenham's pretty awesome as well in

2284
01:46:23,093 --> 01:46:25,133
Speaker 2: terms of rugby stadium has been there a couple of times,

2285
01:46:25,213 --> 01:46:28,973
Speaker 2: you lucky bugger steep stands and designed specifically for the

2286
01:46:29,013 --> 01:46:29,612
Speaker 2: game of rugby.

2287
01:46:29,812 --> 01:46:30,692
Speaker 4: Mad would have been cool.

2288
01:46:30,812 --> 01:46:35,052
Speaker 1: It is seventeen to four, the big stories, the big issues,

2289
01:46:35,293 --> 01:46:38,452
Speaker 1: the big trends and everything in between. Matt Heath and

2290
01:46:38,532 --> 01:46:40,812
Speaker 1: Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

2291
01:46:40,812 --> 01:46:43,452
Speaker 4: It'd be good afternoon. What is the best live event

2292
01:46:43,532 --> 01:46:44,493
Speaker 4: you've been a spectator?

2293
01:46:44,572 --> 01:46:44,812
Speaker 1: Rats?

2294
01:46:44,893 --> 01:46:47,333
Speaker 2: Hi, guys went to Lady Garda at Gaga at Dodger

2295
01:46:47,372 --> 01:46:49,812
Speaker 2: Stadium in La A couple of years ago. Turned out

2296
01:46:49,893 --> 01:46:53,452
Speaker 2: it was the concert was filmed for her Chromatica ball videos.

2297
01:46:54,013 --> 01:46:56,892
Speaker 2: What a fantastic sports venue and concert venue that as

2298
01:46:57,452 --> 01:47:00,772
Speaker 2: that's from Gary. I've got to say, been to Dodger

2299
01:47:00,812 --> 01:47:04,732
Speaker 2: Stadium in other times and it is so freaking cool.

2300
01:47:05,053 --> 01:47:07,532
Speaker 2: It's the second older stadium, I think in an email.

2301
01:47:08,532 --> 01:47:11,932
Speaker 2: This is cool, retro futuristic luck. It's got the biggest

2302
01:47:11,973 --> 01:47:14,333
Speaker 2: car park you've ever seen in your life. And when

2303
01:47:14,372 --> 01:47:16,772
Speaker 2: you go to a game, this is mariachi bars all

2304
01:47:16,772 --> 01:47:20,412
Speaker 2: the way around, it's tequila shots on the street. It's

2305
01:47:20,652 --> 01:47:22,133
Speaker 2: so much fun.

2306
01:47:22,492 --> 01:47:26,133
Speaker 4: I'm getting goosebumps hearing about that alistair. How are you mate?

2307
01:47:27,133 --> 01:47:28,452
Speaker 13: How are you a stranger? And all good?

2308
01:47:28,612 --> 01:47:30,692
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm good mate, I'm good. Now you know a

2309
01:47:30,732 --> 01:47:32,572
Speaker 3: lot about this because you kind of work in the business,

2310
01:47:32,652 --> 01:47:34,532
Speaker 3: right I have.

2311
01:47:34,772 --> 01:47:37,333
Speaker 31: Yeah, So what started to use in television and so

2312
01:47:37,812 --> 01:47:41,492
Speaker 31: inside the ropes access to a lot of very popular events,

2313
01:47:41,492 --> 01:47:45,372
Speaker 31: the twenty eleven World Cup and the British Oven, the

2314
01:47:45,853 --> 01:47:48,492
Speaker 31: Bathurst is one of my favorites. When I first went

2315
01:47:48,532 --> 01:47:51,492
Speaker 31: to Bathurst in Australia, that was unbelievable.

2316
01:47:52,293 --> 01:47:54,492
Speaker 4: I bet mate, I bet twenty eleven that would have

2317
01:47:54,532 --> 01:47:55,612
Speaker 4: been huge for you at the time.

2318
01:47:56,893 --> 01:47:57,772
Speaker 13: It was heah, it was.

2319
01:47:58,093 --> 01:48:01,253
Speaker 31: We were very busy because we've we we our teams

2320
01:48:01,253 --> 01:48:03,372
Speaker 31: broke into groups of four and we sort of did

2321
01:48:03,412 --> 01:48:05,892
Speaker 31: all the build up games. My four game is at

2322
01:48:05,933 --> 01:48:08,852
Speaker 31: North Harbor Stadium and then we went to the North

2323
01:48:08,893 --> 01:48:11,412
Speaker 31: and we were all over the place. And then we

2324
01:48:11,532 --> 01:48:14,532
Speaker 31: managed to do the same in Australia New Zealand and

2325
01:48:14,612 --> 01:48:18,133
Speaker 31: I watched that from Becomer three in the halfway line.

2326
01:48:18,612 --> 01:48:21,732
Speaker 31: So yeah, if you've got TV access, you could more

2327
01:48:21,772 --> 01:48:23,052
Speaker 31: or less get anywhere.

2328
01:48:23,372 --> 01:48:25,852
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so are you out of Are you out

2329
01:48:25,893 --> 01:48:26,213
Speaker 4: of the game?

2330
01:48:26,253 --> 01:48:26,372
Speaker 18: Now?

2331
01:48:26,412 --> 01:48:27,652
Speaker 4: Alistair, you don't do that anymore.

2332
01:48:28,652 --> 01:48:29,492
Speaker 1: No, I've moved on.

2333
01:48:29,572 --> 01:48:34,612
Speaker 31: From outside broadcast onto led screen, so we're still with television.

2334
01:48:34,652 --> 01:48:37,612
Speaker 31: We do all the digital signs around the All Blacks games,

2335
01:48:37,652 --> 01:48:41,093
Speaker 31: the banner, the electric banner and the big screens. So yeah,

2336
01:48:41,093 --> 01:48:42,572
Speaker 31: it's still instill in the industry.

2337
01:48:43,053 --> 01:48:45,372
Speaker 2: How do you find going to games when you're working

2338
01:48:45,492 --> 01:48:47,893
Speaker 2: at them as opposed to being there just as a

2339
01:48:47,933 --> 01:48:48,813
Speaker 2: speak Tata.

2340
01:48:49,933 --> 01:48:51,572
Speaker 16: I did a good question.

2341
01:48:52,173 --> 01:48:55,892
Speaker 31: Sometimes when you do them in and year after year

2342
01:48:55,893 --> 01:48:58,132
Speaker 31: after year, you couldn't care less winter.

2343
01:49:00,013 --> 01:49:03,372
Speaker 4: Yeah, alistair good to hear from your mates. Chase, how

2344
01:49:03,412 --> 01:49:03,612
Speaker 4: are you?

2345
01:49:04,772 --> 01:49:07,293
Speaker 17: Oh, I'm very good, Thank you. I've got, I've got.

2346
01:49:07,893 --> 01:49:10,412
Speaker 17: I've been a spectator of a couple a couple of

2347
01:49:10,572 --> 01:49:14,253
Speaker 17: amazing ones. I'll make it brief for you. The first

2348
01:49:14,293 --> 01:49:18,452
Speaker 17: one was. The second one of them was when I

2349
01:49:18,532 --> 01:49:21,333
Speaker 17: went to Thailand. The second time, I went to the

2350
01:49:21,492 --> 01:49:28,692
Speaker 17: kickboxing and Bangkok there and it was absolutely unbelievable the

2351
01:49:28,732 --> 01:49:32,212
Speaker 17: amount of people there, and there were young guys starting

2352
01:49:32,293 --> 01:49:36,253
Speaker 17: off about twelve through the seventeen, and there's a guy

2353
01:49:36,452 --> 01:49:40,013
Speaker 17: running around who's like a bockie and you could put

2354
01:49:40,013 --> 01:49:41,692
Speaker 17: a bet on who was going.

2355
01:49:41,652 --> 01:49:42,452
Speaker 22: To win that round.

2356
01:49:42,652 --> 01:49:46,133
Speaker 17: And it was like a boxing they fought and they

2357
01:49:46,293 --> 01:49:51,012
Speaker 17: fought inside like a boxing ring, you know, like boxes. Yeah,

2358
01:49:51,093 --> 01:49:56,013
Speaker 17: so that was it was pretty amazing. A was I

2359
01:49:56,173 --> 01:49:58,653
Speaker 17: was there for about four or five hours.

2360
01:49:59,572 --> 01:49:59,932
Speaker 4: Big day.

2361
01:50:00,372 --> 01:50:00,572
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2362
01:50:00,612 --> 01:50:03,453
Speaker 3: I heard a lot of good things about kickboxing and Thailand. Absolutely,

2363
01:50:03,532 --> 01:50:05,293
Speaker 3: it's one of the things that you should go and

2364
01:50:05,333 --> 01:50:06,333
Speaker 3: see if you're in Bangkok.

2365
01:50:07,532 --> 01:50:10,133
Speaker 17: Oh yeah, yeah, well that's where I were. That's where

2366
01:50:10,213 --> 01:50:13,532
Speaker 17: I were but it was just such an amazing nice

2367
01:50:13,612 --> 01:50:20,412
Speaker 17: a and and everybody was clapping and chairing.

2368
01:50:20,253 --> 01:50:21,253
Speaker 2: And how good.

2369
01:50:21,372 --> 01:50:23,372
Speaker 4: Jeff, Yeah, love it. Hopefully you made a bit of

2370
01:50:23,372 --> 01:50:24,412
Speaker 4: money as well, Jeff.

2371
01:50:24,372 --> 01:50:28,173
Speaker 2: I commentated a kickboxing fight in Thailand once it was

2372
01:50:28,213 --> 01:50:31,893
Speaker 2: called one Fight in Bangkok. Yeah, it was that.

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Speaker 6: It was good.

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01:50:32,973 --> 01:50:36,652
Speaker 2: Actually it was good. Actually it was good. The person

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01:50:36,732 --> 01:50:40,692
Speaker 2: that won ten thousand dollars had a blinder to describe it.

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01:50:40,973 --> 01:50:42,972
Speaker 2: I'm surprised they came out alive from that night.

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Speaker 4: Murray, how are you mate, mate? How are you good?

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01:50:48,612 --> 01:50:51,972
Speaker 4: What was the events that was top of the top

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01:50:51,973 --> 01:50:52,572
Speaker 4: of the pops for you?

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01:50:53,732 --> 01:50:56,652
Speaker 28: Well, I was working on the kiriy two cruiseliner and

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01:50:57,133 --> 01:51:00,612
Speaker 28: we're in dock in Tokyo, and I made of mine

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01:51:00,612 --> 01:51:03,652
Speaker 28: as a British boxer, and he got tickets for the

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01:51:03,732 --> 01:51:07,253
Speaker 28: butt of Douglas Mike Tyson fight and Tokyo Dome Wow

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01:51:07,652 --> 01:51:12,812
Speaker 28: nineties wow. And we went along to that and it

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01:51:12,893 --> 01:51:15,572
Speaker 28: was a big day. Jefpanes's ride into it and a massive,

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01:51:15,692 --> 01:51:18,932
Speaker 28: massive crowd. We were sort of men and made mine

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01:51:18,973 --> 01:51:19,333
Speaker 28: and kill him.

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Speaker 16: Madam.

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01:51:19,532 --> 01:51:20,932
Speaker 28: I was sitting in the back roads and we got

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01:51:21,372 --> 01:51:23,213
Speaker 28: usher up to the front from our British brush mate

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01:51:23,253 --> 01:51:28,013
Speaker 28: and we're a ringside. Got two rows back and got

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01:51:28,053 --> 01:51:31,972
Speaker 28: some amazing photos, got some photos of Douglas Tyson sorry,

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01:51:32,013 --> 01:51:35,772
Speaker 28: heading in the canvas with the mouthguard coming out and

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01:51:35,772 --> 01:51:38,933
Speaker 28: all that kind of stuff, and basically the three or

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01:51:38,933 --> 01:51:40,692
Speaker 28: four shots up to the point where he got beaten

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01:51:41,053 --> 01:51:44,333
Speaker 28: and knocked out. So it was an amazing day, unreal.

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Speaker 3: I mean from memory that was it was a massive

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01:51:47,692 --> 01:51:49,772
Speaker 3: upset for Tyson. Wasn't it to be knocked out?

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Speaker 20: Yeah?

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01:51:50,253 --> 01:51:50,572
Speaker 28: Massive?

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01:51:51,293 --> 01:51:52,692
Speaker 4: Who was an anger dog at the time.

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01:51:52,732 --> 01:51:55,973
Speaker 28: Douglas, Yeah, Doug was something about seventy to one was

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01:51:55,973 --> 01:51:56,772
Speaker 28: the odds on and the warning.

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01:51:57,372 --> 01:51:58,452
Speaker 4: Did you put any money on him?

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01:51:59,532 --> 01:51:59,572
Speaker 14: No?

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01:52:00,732 --> 01:52:01,333
Speaker 18: Not dumb enough.

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01:52:01,853 --> 01:52:04,612
Speaker 2: That was an awesome experience. So many people are texting

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01:52:04,692 --> 01:52:06,772
Speaker 2: him that the Sevens and Wellington before it was ruined,

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01:52:06,893 --> 01:52:09,413
Speaker 2: I mean Simony sext and of the Seven's and Wellington

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01:52:10,293 --> 01:52:13,612
Speaker 2: was our most fun sporting event in this country that

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01:52:13,692 --> 01:52:16,692
Speaker 2: we that we'd ever put together. And it just got

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01:52:16,732 --> 01:52:19,572
Speaker 2: bigger and bigger, and the whole city was alive. Everywhere

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01:52:19,652 --> 01:52:22,972
Speaker 2: you went. There were people and crazy outfits and heading

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01:52:23,013 --> 01:52:27,372
Speaker 2: along to the stadium was an absolute ball and then

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01:52:27,732 --> 01:52:30,452
Speaker 2: completely not destroyed. Do we know we're the names of

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01:52:30,532 --> 01:52:33,253
Speaker 2: the people that destroyed that that Wellington's.

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01:52:32,933 --> 01:52:35,452
Speaker 4: We need to name in shame because what a disaster

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01:52:35,692 --> 01:52:36,053
Speaker 4: that was.

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01:52:36,293 --> 01:52:38,213
Speaker 2: Absolutely we cannot forgive.

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01:52:38,452 --> 01:52:40,053
Speaker 4: No, we cannot, right.

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01:52:40,772 --> 01:52:42,892
Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

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01:52:42,933 --> 01:52:45,133
Speaker 3: to call. There's a few great techs coming through as well.

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01:52:45,293 --> 01:52:47,092
Speaker 3: We'll get to a couple more of those very shortly.

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01:52:47,253 --> 01:52:48,812
Speaker 3: It is eight to four.

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01:52:49,973 --> 01:52:53,333
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and

2426
01:52:53,692 --> 01:52:57,452
Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons news

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01:52:57,532 --> 01:52:58,093
Speaker 1: talks that'd be.

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01:52:59,293 --> 01:53:01,293
Speaker 4: News talks there be. It is six to four. Some

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01:53:01,412 --> 01:53:02,572
Speaker 4: great teas that come through.

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01:53:02,532 --> 01:53:06,652
Speaker 2: Octoberfest Olympic efforts by people drinking huge steins and eating

2431
01:53:06,652 --> 01:53:08,932
Speaker 2: a lot of German sausage. Yeah, like, I'm still bitter.

2432
01:53:09,293 --> 01:53:11,093
Speaker 2: I was supposed to go to Oktoberfest last year, but

2433
01:53:11,093 --> 01:53:13,253
Speaker 2: I was portrayed and stabbed in the back by some friends.

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01:53:13,253 --> 01:53:15,452
Speaker 2: But let's not go into that. Let it go, Oh,

2435
01:53:15,572 --> 01:53:18,492
Speaker 2: let it go. English Premier League game at Old Traffic,

2436
01:53:18,612 --> 01:53:22,372
Speaker 2: the Ronado Ronaldo era out of body experience. That's from

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01:53:22,412 --> 01:53:24,772
Speaker 2: sidel That is our best. A sporting event that I

2438
01:53:24,893 --> 01:53:28,052
Speaker 2: have spectated was the twenty fifteen Cricket World Cup semi

2439
01:53:28,133 --> 01:53:31,572
Speaker 2: final against Eden Park was hugging strangers after we won

2440
01:53:32,612 --> 01:53:36,213
Speaker 2: Origin at Anz Stadium was awesome. Two oh my god.

2441
01:53:36,372 --> 01:53:40,892
Speaker 2: Yeah that twenty fifteen here, yeah, that's six oh go.

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01:53:41,053 --> 01:53:42,892
Speaker 4: You need to go and hear that. Audio from Matt

2443
01:53:43,013 --> 01:53:45,253
Speaker 4: was part of it the acc It is incredible audio.

2444
01:53:45,532 --> 01:53:46,372
Speaker 4: I still think about that.

2445
01:53:46,652 --> 01:53:50,372
Speaker 2: Carnival and Rio live, Beatles Soup to Solet in Vegas

2446
01:53:50,452 --> 01:53:53,532
Speaker 2: is phenomenal. So many great, great events people are bringing up.

2447
01:53:53,612 --> 01:53:55,532
Speaker 3: Yep, that was a great hour. Thank you very much

2448
01:53:55,572 --> 01:53:57,173
Speaker 3: everyone who phoned and text on that one.

2449
01:53:57,333 --> 01:53:59,372
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely Now, thanks so much for listening to the

2450
01:53:59,412 --> 01:54:01,572
Speaker 2: show all week, and thanks for all your calls and texts.

2451
01:54:01,572 --> 01:54:03,852
Speaker 2: Now we appreciate all the people that call us so much.

2452
01:54:03,933 --> 01:54:06,132
Speaker 2: We like to celebrate the caller of the Week every Friday.

2453
01:54:06,173 --> 01:54:09,252
Speaker 2: This week it was a mind being in call from Helene.

2454
01:54:09,372 --> 01:54:11,253
Speaker 2: She's eighty seven years old and she was calling on

2455
01:54:11,293 --> 01:54:12,932
Speaker 2: the topic of success later in life.

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01:54:13,213 --> 01:54:16,093
Speaker 23: My therapist suggested that he put me into a light

2457
01:54:16,213 --> 01:54:19,372
Speaker 23: stage of hypnosis. That's what started the whole thing. The

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01:54:19,532 --> 01:54:21,932
Speaker 23: Oracle Rock is the name of the book. The key

2459
01:54:22,013 --> 01:54:25,452
Speaker 23: place that I visited, the oracle side of Delphi, and

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01:54:25,973 --> 01:54:29,012
Speaker 23: I've instinctively picked up a rock, I asked the oracle

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01:54:29,133 --> 01:54:31,893
Speaker 23: for help. You know. The focus turned it over and

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01:54:31,973 --> 01:54:34,173
Speaker 23: there was crack war marble on the other side with

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01:54:34,253 --> 01:54:37,173
Speaker 23: the letter E that started it. I was the world

2464
01:54:37,293 --> 01:54:42,093
Speaker 23: graduate skeptic, but I had this sudden conviction that telepathic

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01:54:42,173 --> 01:54:45,453
Speaker 23: dolphins had given me this story, and the story was there.

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01:54:45,812 --> 01:54:48,772
Speaker 23: I'm sort of looking at what I've got and thinking

2467
01:54:49,093 --> 01:54:50,892
Speaker 23: I really need to get this show on the road.

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01:54:51,173 --> 01:54:54,413
Speaker 2: There you go, E and telepathic Dolphins. I've been thinking

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01:54:54,413 --> 01:54:55,093
Speaker 2: about in them all week.

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01:54:55,173 --> 01:54:56,972
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm looking forward to that book. Come on, Elane

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01:54:57,013 --> 01:54:57,453
Speaker 4: get writing.

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01:54:57,493 --> 01:54:59,213
Speaker 2: Well, she's writing a book and she's following up with

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01:54:59,293 --> 01:54:59,892
Speaker 2: a trilogy.

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01:55:00,013 --> 01:55:01,012
Speaker 4: Yeah, good on, Elaine.

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01:55:01,533 --> 01:55:02,653
Speaker 2: Grateful to that brain.

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01:55:02,653 --> 01:55:03,213
Speaker 4: Newsyllander.

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01:55:04,373 --> 01:55:06,973
Speaker 2: The Paul Holmes broadcast of the Heather Duplaicy Eleen is

2478
01:55:07,053 --> 01:55:10,133
Speaker 2: up next. But right now, ty my good buddy, tell

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01:55:10,173 --> 01:55:11,333
Speaker 2: me why I'm playing the song.

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01:55:11,533 --> 01:55:13,333
Speaker 4: Oh fantastic she head home again?

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01:55:13,453 --> 01:55:15,573
Speaker 3: Is that because the Victorians have lost their mind and

2482
01:55:15,613 --> 01:55:17,852
Speaker 3: they're telling everybody you can work from home whenever you want.

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01:55:18,173 --> 01:55:19,973
Speaker 2: That's one hundred percent correct. Do you get it right

2484
01:55:20,093 --> 01:55:24,172
Speaker 2: every time? Thanks for listening everyone. We'll be back on Monday.

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01:55:24,453 --> 01:55:27,213
Speaker 2: Until then, give them a taste of keeping from Us.

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01:55:27,293 --> 01:55:42,213
Speaker 2: Thanks for listening, Matt and Taylor.

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01:55:46,733 --> 01:55:49,293
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